I personally think of the Estate tax as the Paris Hilton tax. But yeah. Dems should point out joke job creators like Situation, Paris Hilton and Kim K whenever GOP insists on not raising taxes on rich.

The obvious fallacy in Maher’s comment (the one that betrays his world view) is that the kid from the Jersey Shore deserves less money than he has acquired because Maher does not value whatever it is that he has to offer.  The problem, of course, is that obviously quite a few people do … and that is why the kid is gaining wealth to the tune of $5 mil a year.  The point is that the government should not confiscate a person’s wealth or assets solely because a liberal nanny-state “intellectual” somewhere has made a royal decree that a particular talent, skill, idea, service or good is somehow not worthy.

It is the difference between living in a free market capitalist economy and living in socialist nanny-state where the we-know-better-than-the-citizenry bureaucrats meddle with the actual supply and demand dictated by the public.  One works – the other is espoused by Maher, plays favorites, and ruins economies.

Is there any doubt the cast of “Jersey Shore’ are Republicons?? Though I do find Snooky to have more intelligence than Sarah Palin!!

I agree anytime I hear arguments against raising taxes for the rich I immediately think of Kim Kardashian

The problem is our tax code is broken. Many small business owners, or job creators, file their taxes as individuals. When you raise the rates on individuals, you are in essence raising taxes on the small business owners, who cannot afford it. Sure you are also raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires, who I don’t think anybody disagrees, can pay a bit more in taxes. The problem is, in order to raise the taxes on them you are hurting small business owners as well.

Maher shouldn’t assume either that the Situation, as idiotic as he behaves on screen, doesn’t have a good money manager who’s investing his money wisely in companies that prosper from such investment. Or for that matter that he isn’t hiring people either.

Maher, as is typical with most liberal nutcases, takes an elitist view on other people and assume they’re not doing a thing.

Even rich idiots have smart business managers who look after their money.

And Jersey Shore employs tons of people…. which is a good thing for the economy. If the Situation left the show, their ratings would go down. So he deserves the amount of money he makes too… every much as Maher deserves whatever he is making.

If Maher wants to make his point, he should do so with respect to his own situation then… and leave the higher-income reality TV guy out of it.

What I’ll never understand is why any of you give a flying fu*k what anybody else makes  and if we MUST have an income tax, it should be a flat % across the board no matter what you make, like 15%. If the government didn’t try to socially engineer every frickin’ aspect of everyones life and blow gazillions on really really stooooopid shit we’d have an abundance of money left over. We, as a country have NEVER had a “revenue” problem, it’s always been a spending problem.

so why are small business owners filing as individuals?  you’re either a corporation / small business or a subcontractor.

bill woh’t mention that the definition of small business is 199 employees. LOLZ bill.

bill won’t mention that no liberal has a problem with guaranteed ta cuts for guaranteed net new jobs

bill is coming off as uninformed and biased.

timzank can say america has a spending problem 600 times over

it doesn’t make it true

it has both revenue and spending problems

This is a fundamental difference between conservatives and libs / progs.

Maher: “.. Bill Maher used his New Rule tonight to ask once again why middle-class Americans vote against their economic interests”

You see, the left encourages people to be stupid, jealous, selfish a$$holes, which they are. They just can’t understand why people wouldn’t vote themselves a cut of someone else’s earnings. Conservatives are intelligent enough to recognize that not only is that morally wrong, it just doesn’t work anyway. There’s an old saying worth repeating: If you took all of America’s wealth and distributed it evenly among every adult, within just a short time, those who were rich would be rich again, those who were poor would be poor again, and those in the middle would be there once again.

I have never met an intelligent conservative like yourself on Mediate.  It’s conservatives like you who think your opinion is the only one that counts because your,”stupid, jealous, (and) selfish a$$holes”.  They can’t understand why the economy is the way it is today, and can’t believe this started before Obama, because that is what they were told by the conservative pundits and by Fox News. Their good at making stupid statements based on what they heard from conservative pundits, but their incapable of discussing it further because they don’t understand enough to intelligently converse with others.  Their undereducated and blowhards you typically find in blue collar bars talking to others, who also listen to the same conservative pundits.  There is a old saying by an unknown source that states “Your better off to say nothing, than to speak(write) and let everyone know your a fool”. 

I was raised half Jewish and half Catholic. When I’d go to confession, I’d say
“Bless me, father, for I have sinned — and you know my attorney, Mr.Cohen.” -Bill Maher

”This man devoted his life to curing homosexuality. And you know, people have to stop saying that just because someone is an anti-gay activist they might be gay. They’re definitely gay! They are 100% sausage-smoking, Barbara Streisand-loving, Project Runway-ready gay. ” —Bill Maher, on Rev. George Rekers, who was caught returning from an overseas trip with a male prostitute

”The Republicans released their ‘Pledge to America.’ It’s 21 pages of phony charts and bad ideas. Sarah Palin got a copy, and she said, ‘How am I supposed to fit all this crap on my hand?” —Bill Maher

”Hey birthers, wanna hear my theory? My theory was that Obama was born in America and you were born with the umbilical cord around your neck.” —Bill Maher

Not sure where you were going with all that, but let me remind you of another old saying: Don’t hit ‘send’ when you’re drunk.

Dear Mediaite,  why do you continue to highlight known sexist Bill Maher on your site?  If David Duke was hosting a cable show, would you also give him credibility by regurgitating anything funny Duke might say?  I submit that being a hateful sexist is just as bad as being a racist or a homophobe.  Why is it that women hating is more acceptable than the outright hatred of any other group?  Maher should be shunned, not promoted.  It’s tough being a woman in america these days.

”The floor of a cave called. It wants its bat sh*t back.” —Bill Maher on Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)

 kid the Republicans, with love. I feel bad for them. They got nobody for next time. Who are they gonna run? Sarah Palin, reading off her hand. Did you see that? You saw this? She wrote ‘tax cuts’ on her hand. A Republican so stupid she has to be reminded of the one thing — tax cuts! This is like if you saw the coyote’s paw and it said ”Road Runner.”’ —Bill Maher

”But isn’t there something wrong when I’m the ONLY guy in the country that got fired for 9/11?” —Bill Maher

”I want to just take a moment to thank the Teabaggers. Thank you so much for helping us pass health care, for resurrecting the Obama presidency. I know they’re saying, ‘Why are you thanking me? I was so against it, I marched on Washington with tea bags hanging off my Founding Fathers costume, with a gun on my hip and a picture of Obama dressed as Hitler, screaming about his birth certificate.’ And America saw that and said, ‘I think I’ll go with the calm black man.”’ —Bill Maher

”I have a problem with people who take the Constitution loosely and the Bible literally.” —Bill Maher

No More Comments Please…We Have A Winner !!!

Seriously man, have you ever had an original thought, or do you just go through life quoting Maher? Are you lobbying for Maher Cleveland Steamer or something? Or do you just simply want to go down on the guy?

Hey rockyroad, why are you here on Mediaite making comments if it is so bad? Bill Maher does not hate women. The issue is you are not intelligent enough to understand him or his humor. He is far from sexist. In fact the far right bony blond (forgot her name, Ann “something” got her Fox cohort angry at her because even she said he was her friend and that she respected him! Oh yeah, her name? Ann Coulter! Bill Maher rocks! (You better go back to watching or listening to Beck, Rush & Hannity – after all, they speak in a way you can understand! They thank God for you each and everyday as you worship all of their “job creations” !)

So “The Situation” AUTOMATICALLY has to pay more taxes just because the service / entertainment he provides is trivial in your elitist mind? Libs don’t understand how the free market works … The Situation only made $5 million because people tuned in & watched his show, bought Jersey Shore merchandise, and the show’s appeal made MTV a lot of ad revenue. If you’re mad about The Situation making so much money, you should tell the citizens of this country to stop watching his TV show. You shouldn’t be telling the government to take more of his money just because he’s not as intelligent as you liberals (Which is how Maher thinks). 

And just because Kim Kardashian is a rich girly girl you think she automatically deserves to pay more taxes? The government is supposed to set tax rates based on the level of income, not how they acquired that income or spend THEIR OWN money. 

Really? Sarah Palin dumb jokes? Those went out of style when Obama became the new doofus in town

Yeah and ” the situation” is much smarter then Obama!

Does ANYONE understand anything anymore or is everyone as dumb as these morons in the Entertainment Programming assume you to be?

In the beginning of our country, labor was not a taxable item, only profit created by the application of capital was taxed. Then in the early 20th and 19th century the robber barons and the bankers came up with a scheme to make everyone and their neighbors slaves to the state.

LET ME EXPLAIN!

Labor is not INCOME. You as a laborer, be it a mason, a carpenter, a lawyer, a gardener, etc traded YOUR labor for an equal amount of currency. There was and still is NO PROFIT from the transaction. You are trading an equal amount of one commodity (production) for an equal amount of currency (trade good, gold, or fiat currency). In the late 19th and early 20th century, the bankers and robber barons went on an all out propaganda drive to convince everyone that YOUR life and labor was property of the STATE.

We today have asshats like Warren Buffet and their ilk saying that they pay less in taxes than their secretaries. Do they mention WHY!? Of course they do not, because they are skating the TRUTH, that you are ROBBED of your very labor. They have re instituted slavery and indentured servitude without you being the wiser. Capital investment and profit is the ONLY true income as defined in the original definition of INCOME.

What is TAXABLE INCOME as defined in the original Constitution? There is your answer.

One other question, why is it that those of us that work for our living, can NEVER just subsist on our labor?

Ask the proper questions and you may see the truth.

Maher is an idiot, David Kramer

Bill is duping all these people by making them believe that he’s fighting for them. If that was the case then why do all this hollywood libs ask for such big salaries when making movies. Plus if Bill really wanted the rich to pay more then why doesn’t he just write a big check to the government. They’re the ones that use all the loopholes to avoid paying any taxes. All hypocrites!!

if rockyroad meant what he said at all, he’d post his real name beside his comments

perhaps rockyroad should look up the word “media” in “mediaite”

bill maher is nailing a far left liberal hottie way younger than any conservative on here.

that’s not hating women.  he probably has a big unit.
(i have no proof but its possible)

you touch yourself at night. me.

Lol!!

David Kramer doesn’t understand that spending time doing the job you are doing.. is INCOME.

David Kramer obviously has never had any kind of a job.

Yes. what were negros/blacks/afro-americans classified under in the original constitution? you want to go there?

is David Kramer a tax cheat? I don’t know. I”m just asking the question.

whoislloydc@gmail.com

wake up america — they can because they’re free to do so.

wake up america is a coward. :)

they can because they’re free to do so…..exactly, they just dont want you to free to do so

There is no such thing as free market.  

He is just too complicated for you to understand.  

David votes against his better interest and he will do it again because in the end he is afraid that the government will take his gun.  

I noticed YODA, that you did NOT address anything I stated. Typical.

Sharpo does NOT want to address the issue I bring up. He or SHE wants to create a straw man for me to attack. ADDRESS the issue or SHUT UP.

Exactly, too something.

I know the definition of income so instead I got to my point and that’s is that you vote against your better interest.  

The problem with Maher’s argument is that ‘Rich’ to Obama is $200,00 and up. Most, not all, are small businesses.

Is anyone supposed to pick up the straw man of your post and focus on how labor is income?  I actually never heard anyone make that argument but please enlighten us.  Who says labor is income?  I was taught it’s an expense.  Maybe once upon a time it was an asset, but the only possible way labor could be an income is if you’re running one of those pyramid schemes where I sell you the license to sell licenses to my product.  Speaking of which, could I interest you in trying out my water filter?

Because sexism is funny.  Calm down, toots.

If by unit you mean bank account, probably.

So you hate Bill Maher because people want to go down on the guy?  LOL

No, they didn’t.  They come back every time Sarah says something dumb, which is always.

 Thanks for pointing out an instance where the free market has obviously FAILED society.  If the free market has decided that The Situation comes back for a 5th season making $5,000,000 a year so that idiots like you could become even dumber, then THE FREE MARKET HAS FAILED AMERICA!

True, to have a true free market, you must have a consumer with perfect information.  Somehow, I doubt if the people who watch Jersey Shore are one of these intellectuals.  

That’s the problem.  Just because you make more money, doesn’t mean you’re a “job creator”.  That was the point of Bill Maher’s new rule.  It’s their money, but they’re not using it to create jobs.  That’s the fallacy behind the argument that the rich are job creators.  There are some people rich enough to set up a business for the sole purpose of EVADING taxes.  This is why the “job creator” argument fails miserably. 

This is coming from somebody who is not a fan of Maher, but you completely missed his point.

He’s not saying that the situation should be taxed more because what he does is trivial (and brings no value to society), he’s just showing an example of how people in the bracket that the president wants to increase taxes, are not all “job creators”.

Maher is not saying these kids should be paid less, he’s saying they’re obviously not “job creators”.

So, David Kramer, is your point that you don’t want to pay taxes?

david kramer wasn’t around at the signing of the constitution so how does he know what the people who signed it really wanted when they put those words in

David Kramer is fiscally irresponsible

me

So all those people who work to put Jersey Shore on the air and wouldn’t have a job without The Situation and the rest of the guidos… what, are they working for free? How about all the people who work to get advertisements aired during the Jersey Shore? And then the people who make the products and provide the services advertised? And the people who act in the commercials? Nope — they’re all working for free I guess. And then the non-existent money from those people’s non-existent jobs that they use to buy other non-existent products and non-existent services that pay non-existent money to the people who make those non-existent product and provide the non-existent services.

Maher’s stupid, elitist, middle-class oppressing stance is easier to deconstruct than his bad jokes.

But the REAL joke is that he is The Situation, both in form and function, but he’s to busy smelling his own farts to realize it.

And just because Kim Kardashian is a rich girly girl you think she automatically deserves to pay more taxes? …………………..Answer. YES!

And just because Kim Kardashian is a rich girly girl you think she automatically deserves to pay more taxes? …………………..Answer. YES!

No one forces ANYONE to watch “Jersey Shore” its called a CHOICE a.k.a FREE Market. If millions of people decide to watch Jersey Shore, buy merchandise, and create ratings (Ad revenue) for MTV – then The Situation DOES get a fair cut of that. You seem to think that it’s “The Situation’s” fault for making $5 million… but NO, it’s the viewers and advertisers that make him rich! So why punish The Situation?

If the tax rate was established on ass size, Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lopez and Beyonce Whatever Her Last Name would have to pay 150%

why are you a poosey ?

And how many of ‘The Situation”s are there in America? Maher pulls out an obscure example to refute that not all millionaires are ‘job creators’ but people like ‘The Situation’ probably make up less than 1% of all millionaires.
Even so, one could argue that The Situation is a job creator. The show obviously has directors, producers, writers, cameramen, tech crews. Not to mention the money Jersey Shore makes for MTV allows that company (Viacom) to hire more workers and create new shows due to The Situation’s success.
Also, if The Situation promotes a 3rd party product (not Jersey shore or MTV), he is boosting the sales of that product which helps out the company.
There’s more to the cycle of events in this ‘situation’ than people think

Actually, Bill Maher is half idiot and half jerk.

He never goes to confession because he thinks that a perfect person like him could ever be wrong about anything.

In the name of EQUALITY everybody should pay the same percentage of taxes on income. 

In the name of EQUALITY everybody should pay the same percentage of taxes on income. 

12voltman, you have this talent to bring out the most idiotic quotes by the most idiotic people.

Keep it Up!!!

You’re right, not all millionaires are job creators but how many ‘The Situation’s” are there in America? People like him do not make up even 1% of ‘real’ millionaires, I bet you.
But anyway, I was arguing on the philosophical point of taxes. Please tell me WHY The Situation AUTOMATICALLY deserves to pay more taxes? And don’t say it’s because you dont think he needs all his money because his job is intellectually inferior in your elitist mindset. “The Situation” deserves his money because he is the pivotal actor in the cycle of events that bring MTV millions of $$$$$$.
If millions of people want to watch his show, but his stuff, and be a fan – he deserves a large part of the revenue that flows into MTV. Without him – MTV has less money, less viewers, advertisers pay less money, and the chain of business success is broken

The point I was making is quiet obvious and I believe most people can readibly comprehend what I wrote.  Your last comment and the “old saying” you used, sounds as if I hit the nail on the head when I wrote “they don’t understand enought to intelligently converse with others”, and “you typically find in blue collar bars”.  Thanks for the validation of my comment! 

Please explain:

That was some sarcasm gold right there.

I think your screen name when contrasted with your posts, is one of the best bits of sarcasm on Mediaite.

I’m not sure what your point is because I never mentioned anything about Maher, or stated if I approved of what he said one way or the other.  My comment was directed only to the comment rajahaan wrote and how rediculous, narrow, and shallow his thinking was.

“Only 42 percent of Republicans believe Obama was born in the United States. That’s an amazing statistic. How come in America Christians are the only ones who won’t take anything on faith?” —Bill Maher

When will Maher just admit he is gay?

Maher’s stupid, elitist, middle-class oppressing stance is easier to deconstruct than his bad jokes.

and yet you failed to do it. Do you seriously think reality TV and all the jobs you listed will crumble if this guy pays another 3 or 4% on his millions, or he will quit over it? Nope.

Bill making a joke, but let’s include multi million dollar law firms, investment forms, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Shultz, Bill ORielly and  Sean Hannity. Sports figures, etc.  These people are not going to give up earning millions or fire staff members over 3 or 4% because what’s left is still…..millions.   Get it?

“If conservatives get to call universal healthcare ‘socialized medicine,’ I get to call private, for-profit healthcare ‘soulless, vampire bastards making money off human pain.’” —Bill Maher

I wonder if Bill believes he’s fighting for them. He’s actually making millions talking about fighting for them.

But, he’s correct in challenging the propaganda. It wouldn’t hurt to look for solutions based in reality and facts. 

I think flying planes into a building was a faith-based
initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder.
Bill Maher

Jim Bakker spells his name with two k’s because three would be
too obvious.
Bill Maher

Interesting. So what’s your solution? Stop taxes and dismantle the government, let’s make education , law enforcement, and putting out fires a pay as you go program? Sarcasm aside, What’s your solution?

Let’s face it; God has a big ego problem. Why do we always have
to worship him?
Bill Maher

I think capital punishment works great. Every killer you kill
never kills again.
Bill Maher

thank you . why are you a coward ?

Surely, then, you oppose the payroll tax cap of $106,800 – which, of course, means that those making $106,800 and less pay a larger percentage of their incomes than do those making more – and the regressive nature of our sales tax, under which the poor pay the highest percentage of their incomes and the rich the lowest?

I mean, in the name of equality, of course. 

Right, it’s a known fact that being a selfish a$$hole only exists among the middle class and poor and while the wealthy are all honorable business men and women.

You know overly broad generalizations can also qualify as stupid. 

Lol, that’s so incredibly false.  Most making $200,000 a year are PEOPLE, not businesses.

“But only 27 percent of all upper-income tax filers report business income that accounts for more than half of their wages. It’s likely that a small-business owner would make most of his or her income from the small business.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/half-of-the-wealthy-own-small-businesses/

Bill, your argument falls flat. If  idiots like The Situation and you can make millions, anyone can!

Equality isn’t that easy to come by. Let’s say it’s 15%

To those on the low end that 15% represents milk for their kids or a doctor visit they need and can’t afford. To those at the top end it represents one less week in Europe or not getting a new Lexus.

which means they can pay 3% more on income over 250,000 and no one will suffer

Would you hate him more or less?

that’s because the job creator spiel is the dumbest term in a Republican lexicon full of dumb terms

Yes, because without the Situation, all those people would lose their jobs!

I’m betting he does not. 

Stewart had a great line about the Subway Republican congressman, who needs $200,000 to feed his family and thus only has 400,000 for investment.  He pointed after his taxes are raised he will only have 381,000 for re-investment. 

Oh, the horror….

Then again, the way Tony thinks, he thinks 19,000 grand is enough for two full-time workers

More!!

Not true.  It’s the tax rate from the Clinton years and America did pretty okay then.

Well then, you should learn how to spell and how to use proper English, people might begin to take you seriously.

Well then, you should learn how to spell and how to use proper English, people might begin to take you seriously.

Yeah, why do they ask for such big salaries.  They should know that the poor, impoverished studios pocketing the hundreds of millions of dollars for movies put the capital at risk.  labor is worth nothing and all the money should go to our betters at the top.  If we woke up with America here, we’d live in feudal England

Says the guy who thinks people should starve on the streets

He doesn’t have one….and, of course, he’s wrong about his interpretation

DAMMIT, he wants a monkey!  Someone be his monkey

Jersey Shore’s ‘The Situation’ should run for the Republicon nomination… he has just as good of a shot as any of the other nominees running now!!

David Kramer also like to tell people to shut on the internet….not sure how that’s gonna work.  But, then again, he doesn’t believe in paying for the government the American want, so why should he understand the internet?

I submit he is not a sexist, just because he doesn’t like Megan Kelly.

If Mediaite is gonna highlight the foul, untruthful, gasseous rumblings of Mt. Limbaugh, they should cover a guy whose show is funnier and way more honest, no matter how many conservative fe-fe’s he hurts

ah, raj is back to noblesse oblige again.

Hey, guys, did you know if we took Paris hilton’s money away from her, she would be righ again in no time, because she’s just better than the rest of us?  Same with Bill Maher and Snooki.  W ran how many businesses in the ground before he scammed the govt out of money for a ballpark?  He was able to do that, not because of accumulated family wealth, but because he is better than us.

This reminds me of India, where people like raj will write this about the caste system.  raj thinks America should be a Third World country and, if you see a righ man on the street, you bow, damn you, because he is better than you.

Could you write a cool comment about how voting should be restricted to the property class?

Because, raj, in your attempt to resurrect nobility, you need to keep the poor and middle class from voting

If you haven’t seen them go to the Daily Show site and watch the extended interviews with Govenor Mitch Daniels one night and Jennifer Granholm the following night. Both on the economy and the different perspectives are good. Daniels is a smart  fiscal conservative and it’s nice to hear a reasonable voice not simply parroting the GOP memes. Granholm offers valuable insight into the global economy and Jon is his usual smart self and asks relevant questions. Well worth the time. Better than 90% of the discussions on the supposed “news” networks.

I’m having a lengthy discussion in that thread with another poster. According to my figures {correct me if I’m wrong}  for a small business LLC generating 200K in individual net income. The tax difference of the 3% is a $600 increase. Hardly a make or break is it? It’s fine to discuss tax reform and rates, but lets start by basing it in reality rather than spending months battling dishonest propaganda and political catch phrases.

Yet again you’re unable to refute my sound logic. Your worthless response couldn’t have been more predictable.

Yes, I did thoroughly deconstruct his stupid joke. It’s not my fault you can’t accept the reality of it.

Do you think hateful Progressives ACTUALLY want equality? As I just said, they’re hateful people, they want the rich people to pay because they suck at life and envy their wealth.

Cannot listen to Daniels for any length of time. He is already my governor and he’s a damn liar.

Well, let’s put it this way: he’s a phony.

He only cares about keeping privilege in the hands of the privileged, but he’s not evil. He just refuses to stand up to evil.  In our state, he was willing to sell public assets, to ruin welfare administration, to borrow 2 billion from the Federal govt and claim he had a balanced budget, to crush unions, to eviscerate public school funding AND give us one of those voucher programs which fails in every state, sign an unconstitutional and illegal bill of attainder against Planned Parenthood, and claim to not raise taxes, when my taxes have gone 3 times with him as governor.

That reasonable thing he does is schtick, Dan.  He claims to be reasonable and by that he means old people should eat cat food while people like him should engorge themselves at the public trough.  You’re talking about a man who refused to live in the Governor’s mansion, because it was a let down from the one he had just built.

Granholm and Daniels were, indeed, a study in contrasts.  Two failures, with one of them engaging in a race to bottom, so we can compete with Bangladesh and the other one failing to arrest the tide of policy and history against her state.  I’d rather live there than here, but family has roots

Depends which increase we speak of.  If we’re talking about the end of the Bush cuts, then we’re talking 0 increase for anyone making 200 K.  The taxes increase from 36% to 39% on dollar $250,001 and above.

The day you try sound logic will be the first.  Without the situation, MTV would cast some new repsentative of the fall of culture and that moron would make 5 million. Like most rich people, he got there on a combination of luck and skill (his skill is being a pumped up douchebag who is not ashamed of embarrassing himself on camera).

Used to be in America, one could on more skill than luck.  Not anymore.  Rich people have games the system, so only rich people stay rich.

Seriously, tony, if you ever try “sound logic,” we’ll know because you will drop the Randian simpleton chapter and verse and start speaking like someone who gets it.*

I won’t hold my breath

*Hell, that doesn’t even mean you become a liberal.  just means, you give up this ridiculous notion that the rich haven’t already won the war against the middle class. The number of people in the middle class continues to shrink, the number of poor continues to rise, and the rich keep taking home more and more of the country’s GDP.  They don’t NEED you to wish them well; they are already robbing the rest of us to become even richer

That is a perfect example of why there are people who do spend their lives angry at those with extreme wealth. It’s the attitude that the rich are rich because they’re better, smarter, harder working people than everyone else and ignores all the real world differences between growing up at the bottom of the money pile vs the top or even the middle.
I completely understand being angry at the government and how its run. No business or household would ever make it under that model. What I don’t understand is why anyone would look at that mess and say “clearly the problem is greedy poor people”.

I love it.

Republicans cheer record executions, scream “let him die!” regarding a hypothetically uninsured 30-year-old and boo a gay soldier, and PROGRESSIVES are hateful.

Thanks for the giggle.

I love it.

Republicans cheer record executions, scream “let him die!” regarding a hypothetically uninsured 30-year-old and boo a gay soldier, and PROGRESSIVES are hateful.

Thanks for the giggle.

The government doesn’t exist to keep you alive, Bill. That statement shows how vapid you are. The government exists to keep itself alive at the expense of the governed. Put on your elevator shoes and take a walk in the real world.

How about Formula-1 head honcho  Bernie Ecclestone’s daughters Petra and Tamara.  After dad scooped up tens of millions of dollars of Texas taxpayers’ money in a sweetheart deal with Texas republicans (including Rick Perry), Petra paid about $85-million for the former Spelling Estate in California, and Tamara is getting a million-dollar crystal bathtub for her manse.

timb116,
So not true. In 2000 the ear that the first of two Bush tax cuts were passed the rates were as follows:
15.0%- $0-43,850
28.0%- $43,850-105,950
31.0%- $105,950-161,450
36.0%- $161,450-288,350
39.6%- $288,350+
In 2003, when the last Bush tax cuts went into effect the rates were:
10.0%- $0-17,072
15.0%- $17,072-69,265
25.0%- $69,265-139,810
28.0%- $139,810-213,039
33.0%- $213,039-380,409
35.0%- $380,409+
So in fact removing the Bush tax cuts would return the lowest rate to 15.0%, and the largest tax rate to 39.6% and reduce the income limit for that bracket from the $380,409 that it currently sits to below the $288,350 that it was at in 2000, to $250,000+.
The facts again prove that you area liar counselor.

And Sarah Palin is a celebrity… why do you care what she says? Obama is the Prezzzzz

yup. you are.

timb116 was correct. You don’t get it, or at least you won’t admit it.

I noticed you didn’t answer my questions. That’s fine. As long as you’ve convinced yourself , that’s all that matters.

actually, she’s a prof somewhere ?

i did,, you weren’t around when the constitution was signed so you know JACK- ALL about the context.

As I understood it it was 200K and above for single, 250K and above for couples. So I was figuring a single filing for income in a LLC small business. The point being that as Jon pointed out, the increase would be small enough to not seriously affect investment.
The other part of the discussion is the false impression that income tax on small business comes out before investment. Isn’t a big chunk of the investments Fleming describes taken out of what is considered taxable income?  IOW, before taxes rather than investing what’s left over after taxes.

That’s interesting on Daniels. I have very limited exposure to him. Any suggested reading?

What was interesting about Granholm was that she said she tried exactly what the Tea Party and conservatives seem to be suggesting in MI. and it didn’t work. She cut corporate taxes and cut government spending by a huge margin, and it didn’t help unemployment or attract business. She says the global economy is a new animal and we have to treat it as such.

She also described the competition between states to slash taxes for corporations and attract jobs as a race to the bottom. Moving jobs from MI to Texas might be good state strategy but it doesn’t help us nationally at all. We can give away the store so to speak on tax breaks for corporations and still not attract the jobs we need because we can’t compete with labor, and trying to is a race to the bottom. 

Good point on the single thing. Still, it is 3%. The great part of Stewart’s bit was pointing out that if he made six million and did not take his business investment out prior to taxes, he needs a new damn accountant

For a very partisan approach to Daniels, I recommend Doghouse Riley at blogspot.com. A great Indiana blogger

When you tear down the shrine you hide in the closet.

You have to understand the conservative mindset. When you worship the market, you have to subscribe to the logical fallacy that the amount of money one has is directly proportional to their individual validity.

Conservatives seem to believe that even though the wealthy disproportionately gain from our government/society/infrastructure, they should not have to give back disproportionately in any way in return.

And don’t you EVER forget that! :)

One thing you’ll NEVER SEE is hypocritical left-wing bozos like Mahar or Moore pay one single cent over and above what’s required.  Instead they’ll hire an accounting firm so they get every possible deduction available.  It’s the liberal hypocricy in full bloom, and the left-wing nutjobs fall for it hook, line and sinker.

And he’s more qualified that Obama.

Progressives don’t scream “let him die”, they actively work to promote the murder of millions of innocent children each and every year, while remaining silent as Obama drones those outside the country; they don’t “boo a gay soldier”, but they spit on them when they return from serving our country, while promoting the homosexual agenda. 

Progressives (aka, loony liberals) are not only hateful, they’re disgusting.

“The day you try sound logic will be the first.  Without the situation,
MTV would cast some new repsentative of the fall of culture and that
moron would make 5 million.”

Correct, and THAT person is making jobs. You basically just admitted that my sound logic is correct.

“Like most rich people, he got there on a combination of luck and skill
(his skill is being a pumped up douchebag who is not ashamed of
embarrassing himself on camera).”

Oh yeah, you’re not a hateful, envious person at all.

Look, it’s not my fault that you’re a bitter person who thinks he sucks at life — and probably does. Ayn Rand is right, she’s been proven right every step of the way. And your whining rhetoric hasn’t gotten you anywhere. And it’s not like your lazy ass is gonna life a finger to try to elevate yourself, so instead you’re just going to tear other people down hoping that they end up hating themselves as much as you hate yourself.

They’re nothing to answer. All you basically advertized is that you’re an envious person. What, do you want me to pat you on the back for wanting to bring other people down?

They’re nothing to answer. All you basically advertized is that you’re an envious person. What, do you want me to pat you on the back for wanting to bring other people down?

“Ayn Rand is right, she’s been proven right every step of the way.”

Is that why she took public assistance, Tony?

http://boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+boingboing/iBag+Boing+Boing

Rand was such an idiotic hypocrite that SHE refused to follow her own dictates.

As far as confirming what, your belief that any guido from Jersey is a job creator if he lucks out and gets on TV is more a denunciation of your whole line of reasoning, tony.  If ANYONE can be a rich person by hitting a lottery of genetics, casting, or business fad, then rich people aren’t really that special are they?  You need to start realizing what you actually believe.  If you believe the rich are special and serve society so much so that they cannot be taxed 3% more, then you must believe there is something special about them.

instead, you seem to believe what is special is arbitrary collection of capital and that once one attains a pile of capital (bank robbery, perhaps) then that person is a job creator.  It’s exactly the point Maher was making fun of.

So, rather than psychoanalyze me, why don’t you explain what makes the rich too special to tax?  Oh, and how Ayn Rand and her markets will fix everythign can explain the facts that history shows unfttered markets collapse:  tulips in the Netherlands, financial panic of the early 20th century, Depression, 2008.  Unfettered markets lead to dislocation and failure, Tony.  Ayn was wrong

Boy, you sure show your leftist stupidity with that rant.  Tulips in the Netherlands, bank robbery, genetics and the Jersey Shore to make your ignorant point.  Now that’s a new twist that will solve the problem.

Kim Kardashian has created all kinds of jobs and if you don’t see that then you’re an idiot.

Well, you sure refuted it by calling it names!

Is this your first attempt at rhetoric? Although, I admire the conservative point about ignoring history and data, it’s pretty common around here. This board, after all, is full of people, like Tony, who think ideology trumps reality. You’ll have to do something to set yourself apart.

Good luck

You of course have a list of right wing nut jobs who give more? Beck? O’riley?
Mount Rush?
At least the nasty libs admit they ought to be paying more. They live in a state of reality.

You of course have a list of right wing nut jobs who give more? Beck? O’riley?
Mount Rush?
At least the nasty libs admit they ought to be paying more. They live in a state of reality.

He has banged more models, mostly female, than most of us can ever hope to.
Were you thinking of Santorum?

Clearly you’re a liberal since you lack simple thinking skills.  None of those you whine about are on the air bellyaching that they don’t pay enough taxes. Comprende??

I don’t want to bring anyone down. I just pointed out your reasoning about Maher’s joke, that you claimed was easy to deconstruct, was wrong. I explained why fairly clearly.  No those people don’t work for free but their jobs don’t depend on that one guy Bill poked fun at and he and the others I mentioned are not likely to quit over 3% Your response to me is what?  “I’m right no matter what you say”  It seems like you can make a claim and then can’t reasonably defend it. Now I know.

I’ve been a mile apart from people like you. You keep posting the same “rhetoric” over and over. Don’t you have any new material?

says the guy whose refutation of a point is “that was stupid.”

If you want new material, then present an argument. Otherwise, I have too many Birchers, wingnuts, and Jim Treachers following me around

More funny stuff. You go and chase those windmills.

Sure he does. Three comments and that is the only assertion you have made.

Wait Counsler, I thought Social Security and Medicare was Earned. Last I checked they were what we pay FICA taxes for, not government assitance. Want to try again?

sara doesn’t do jokes, just hate comments – NOT FUNNY.

Well if you insist, you’re ignorant too. The guy kicks your ass.