If a tree falls in a forest…

Yeah, people who make money on Wall Street are evil!! Being a Marxist community organizer is a much more noble profession.

You don’t do much research , do you , Chris ?

Chris, if you would remove your nose from Obama’s ass, you might be able to figure it out.

Mr. Matthews has made it perfectly clear why he thinks people ‘don’t like Obama’….

“What is it that`s gotten into your Party`s water supply, the Republican Party`s water supply, that makes them strangely hostile to the president, not just against his policies, but personally? Is it race?”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/06/chris-matthews-do-republicans-oppose-obama-because-his-race#ixzz0yIA3NzdG

Matthews,

There’s a seat waiting just for you over at the McLaughlin Group!!!!

IT’S THE LIBERAL POLICIES STUPID!

Why do I always have to be the first one to say these things? Dang people… how are leftwingers supposed to figure out that it’s not because the Prez is a mongrel if we don’t tell them?

I’ll remind Mr. Matthews of what Mr. Prez himself said as they poised themselves to force Obamacare down our throats… “THAT’S WHAT ELECTIONS ARE FOR”.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/02/at-close-of-summit-president-obama-says-its-time-for-decisions-and-then-thats-what-elections-are-for.html

He got THAT right at least.

All the Marys in Heaven! The Republican Party from Raygun onward has been nothing but a hate-mongering enterprise targeted at its core of hate-filled White people. What does Chris expect? Slash and burn, burn and slash. Never any substance. Never any building up of America or even presenting policies for governance. Hate. Hate. hate. Raygun and Meese. Poppy and Atwater. W and Dick and O’Rove. Hate. Hate. Hate.

BECKERHEAD’S GONE PREACHER, AND QUITE THE HERETIC,
O’HANNITY IS A SIMPLY A WORLD CLASS WHINER,
O’REILLY PRESENTS THAT WEIRD BODY LANGUAGE CHICK,
ADD O’VAN SUSTEREN: ASLEEP IN MY RECLINER!

Mathews is spot on. Why do people hate Obama? He is the American story but people on this post can’t stand it since they fill their lives with hate and fear. Conservatives keep trying to change this country into a reflection of themselves…they don’t get it, they don’t understand America so they rail against it. Enter McCarthyism for another run, while our country falls further and further behind

fanatics are set in their ways and ideals. their view is never skewed by facts that refute said views.

what if Obama touched Chris, shook his hand and smiled, would he reach for a towel? Matthews has proven how uninformed he is, several times, for someone with his job, it’s embarassing. I can’t see him lasting much longer. Maybe he can take Hannity and combine to make the worst show ever.

conservativeslie said:
Enter McCarthyism for another run, while our country falls further and further behind

That’s the real pity. I’d be content for the righties to wallow in their self-pity and hatred, but as they do so, our nation falls further and further behind the rest of the world. How can they believe that hatred begets greatness? Another one of their numerous heresies, I suppose.

BECKERHEAD’S GONE PREACHER, AND QUITE THE HERETIC,
O’HANNITY IS A SIMPLY A WORLD CLASS WHINER,
O’REILLY PRESENTS THAT WEIRD BODY LANGUAGE CHICK,
ADD O’VAN SUSTEREN: ASLEEP IN MY RECLINER!

So he went to school and worked hard. Isn’t that what a person nis supposed to do to become successful?

Although I wouldn’t call what he did as working all that hard

The Real Royal King said:
All the Marys in Heaven! The Republican Party from Raygun onward has been nothing but a hate-mongering enterprise targeted at its core of hate-filled White people. What does Chris expect? Slash and burn, burn and slash. Never any substance. Never any building up of America or even presenting policies for governance. Hate. Hate. hate. Raygun and Meese. Poppy and Atwater. W and Dick and O’Rove. Hate. Hate. Hate. BECKERHEAD’S GONE PREACHER, AND QUITE THE HERETIC,O’HANNITY IS A SIMPLY A WORLD CLASS WHINER,O’REILLY PRESENTS THAT WEIRD BODY LANGUAGE CHICK,ADD O’VAN SUSTEREN: ASLEEP IN MY RECLINER!

Congratulations, there you are ladies and gentleman we have a winner for the most inane post of the day. What do we have for her Johnny????

NORBIT said:
So he went to school and worked hard. Isn’t that what a person nis supposed to do to become successful?
Although I wouldn’t call what he did as working all that hard

Maybe he could take Joan Walsh from Salon with him. We could only hope!

liberalslie says:

Conservatives keep trying to change this country into a reflection of themselves

Well 40% of American’s consider themselves Conservative, 40% Independent and a measley 20% liberal, so Conservatvies aren’t far off in their assertion are they? You libs are quite delusional.

FearMonger said:

Mr. Matthews has made it perfectly clear why he thinks people ‘don’t like Obama’….

And here it is…. thanks TRRK….

The Real Royal King said:
The Republican Party from Raygun onward has been nothing but a hate-mongering enterprise targeted at its core of hate-filled White people.

More stats for you liberalslie:

A new USA Today/Gallup poll finds Americans saying the Republicans in Congress would do a better job than the Democrats in Congress of handling seven of nine key election issues. The parties are essentially tied on healthcare, with the environment being the lone Democratic strength.

The Republicans’ advantage on most issues is an indication of the currently favorable political environment for the party. Of particular note is the parity between the two parties on healthcare, an issue on which Americans historically have viewed the Democrats as superior.

dunt said:
If a tree falls in a forest…

What is with you people??? Cannot you get into an intelligent dialogue with simplistic little barbs, signifying nothing. It’s people like you that ruin this site.

Azarkhan said:
Chris, if you would remove your nose from Obama’s ass, you might be able to figure it out.

Another worthless comment that adds nothing to the discussion. You don’t give a damn about anything intellectual, do you? All you want to do is attack, attack, attack. It’s very sad, and frustrating, when folks like you throw in comments like that instead of contributing something. Oh, don’t forget to give me a thumbs down.

The pluperfect (from Latin plus quam perfectum more than perfect), also called past perfect in English, is a grammatical combination of past tense with the perfect, itself a combination of tense and aspect, that exists in most Indo-European languages. It is used to refer to an event that had been completed before another past action.

Not sure what Chris is getting at here.

FearMonger said:
IT’S THE LIBERAL POLICIES STUPID! Why do I always have to be the first one to say these things? Dang people… how are leftwingers supposed to figure out that it’s not because the Prez is a mongrel if we don’t tell them? I’ll remind Mr. Matthews of what Mr. Prez himself said as they poised themselves to force Obamacare down our throats… “THAT’S WHAT ELECTIONS ARE FOR”. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/02/at-close-of-summit-president-obama-says-its-time-for-decisions-and-then-thats-what-elections-are-for.html He got THAT right at least.

You could say all of that is in a more polite way, and then we would have a dialogue.

Personally, I think Obama’$ personal story is great. He went out and accomplished goals, got a good education, had a family, took care of responsibilities. He’s a good example on a personal aspect, yeah he tried snorting some coke, and smoked a view bowls, but we all make mistakes and are flawed.

What I don’t like is his ideology of redistribution of wealth, and his public policies. Nor do I care for his unconstitutional actions.

The tingle just doesn’t happen for the rest of us perhaps because we don’t like to watch the systematic dismanteling of our freedoms and liberty by a progressive leftist power hungry dictator wannabe. You take that wee lil aspect of Obama out of the equation and ..yeah.. he’s just a lovable harmless everyman.

conservativeslie said:
Conservatives keep trying to change this country into a reflection of themselves…

Actually, more people in this country favor conservative ideals, as opposed to liberal ideals.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/458179/poll_how_liberal_or_conservative_are.html?cat=9

“They found that 41% of the voters think of themselves as conservative when it comes to the issues of taxes, government spending and the regulation of private business while 41% consider themselves to be moderates and 12% say they are liberal.”

Here is a more recent poll as well.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx#

“Changes among political independents appear to be the main reason the percentage of conservatives has increased nationally over the past year: the 35% of independents describing their views as conservative in 2009 is up from 29% in 2008.”

Sorry, Chris, only YOU got the tingle up the leg.

alamo2 said:
You could say all of that is in a more polite way, and then we would have a dialogue.

A ‘dialogue’ about what, pray tell? About the FACT that Matthews (as well as the rest of MSNBC) are a big fat joke?

There is nothing to discuss. Just more finger-pointing and ignorance of the obvious with the usual race-baiting thrown in for good measure.

To tell you the truth alamo… you have proved yourself to be a hypocrite right here on this thread. You’ve had a lot to say about the tone of other posters but I didn’t see you say a friggin’ word about TRRK’s blatantly racist comment that I called him out on.

In case you haven’t noticed, Homey don’t play dat. Double-standards get ZERO respect from me. So…. if you want to apply your standards of conduct /reprimands equitably then MAYBE we can have a ‘dialogue’…

Until then you know what you can do with your suggestion that I be ‘more polite’, right?

Tingles is more obsessed about Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and FOX
than any other subject. He is absolutely “fantasy” fasinated by Sarah Palin. So jealous of
Limbaugh and Beck’s along with FOX success he can hardly stand it ,AND horrors of horrors,
he not only gets beat by Olberdork’s and Mr ED the Talking Horses ASS’ ratings, as anemic
as their rating are, he gets to be both of their lead in five night a week! Love it..

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: It’s about being an American, and the wonderful thing about this country is you can grow up to be basically what, you know, it’s a Great Gatbsy country, you can actually create your own identity and become a person. This guy Barack Obama, not to get too basic about it, did everything right.
He studied hard in school. He obeyed the law. He raised a family. He took care of his family. He was an excellent student. He was on the Harvard Law Review. He did everything. He went through the democratic process. He didn’t go out and make a lot of money on Wall Street. He gave himself to his community. This guy is almost pluperfect and they don’t like him.”

Chris, I hoped Barry used a condom with you!!!

Why don’t people like Obama?

Because he’s woefully inept. He was no where near prepared to be President and it shows. Some of it isn’t really his fault. If he were white, the media would have vetted him & he wouldn’t have had a chance to be elected. But, the hype machine took over and now we have a glorified dog catcher sitting in the oval office. He has no clue and is more interested in hanging out with celebrities than being President. He’ll prolly breathe a sigh of relief when he’s booted from office in 12′.

writer said:
The pluperfect (from Latin plus quam perfectum more than perfect), also called past perfect in English, is a grammatical combination of past tense with the perfect, itself a combination of tense and aspect, that exists in most Indo-European languages. It is used to refer to an event that had been completed before another past action. Not sure what Chris is getting at here.

That’s why Wikipedia is so dangerous in the hands of the uneducated. Pluperfect can also mean perfect, sublime, supremely accomplished, ideal.

BECKERHEAD’S GONE PREACHER, AND QUITE THE HERETIC,
O’HANNITY IS A SIMPLY A WORLD CLASS WHINER,
O’REILLY PRESENTS THAT WEIRD BODY LANGUAGE CHICK,
ADD O’VAN SUSTEREN: ASLEEP IN MY RECLINER!

conservatives does not always translate into republican. what i meant by turning the country into a reflection of themselvesis the intolerance they practice, from opposing gay marriage..read pursuit of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness…its so obvious that i don’t even understand why it is opposed, to the endless pursuit of tax cuts for themselves while the country goes down the drain. Republicans have taught their followers that they can have their tax cuts, and their wars, and there is no consequence for either. The slipping of America is a slow gradual one, so just like aging you don’t notice it every day until you look in the rear view mirro for 30 plus years and wonder what happened. Kudos to Obama and Mathews for trying, but the country likes the idiots better…read Palin, Beck…its just a fact. The reason why Beck and Palin are so popular is because America has already slipped so far that Palin and Beck seem normal to them…and Obama seems wierd because he’s smart, practical and pragmatic. Remember even pro wrestling gets ratings…don’t judge the content of their programs by ratings…or you will be blinded by the manipulation that FOX feeds you ever day…but then again, many of you like to be manipulated!

King, the Oxford dictionary:

pluperfect: expressing action completed prior to some past point of time. As in ‘the pluperfect tense’.

alamo2 said:
What is with you people??? Cannot you get into an intelligent dialogue with simplistic little barbs, signifying nothing. It’s people like you that ruin this site.

There’s not a lot you can do, alamo. The reason is simple. It’s what they see on TV. Though the liberal parties aren’t immune either. You will get more name calling and race baiting and sound bite screaming as opposed to intelligent debate on the internet, because they see their pundits name call, throw out sound bites and race bait. You will find the people who don’t follow an ideology or don’t quote religiously from left or right talking points or don’t even believe that Beck or Olbermann are messiahs and should be followed and listened to and free of human flaws tend to be the ones that are seeking intelligent discussion of issues. But, just like on TV, the negative attackers are louder and tend to push out those who can debate. They scream as opposed to debate (yes, I know we’re on the internet, I don’t mean a literal (proper use of that word) screaming but a figurative one.). They raise their voices and thus that’s how they know they are right, they are louder. Of course, there comments are empty and do nothing for the nation or for their own cause.

King, since you look down on everyone who isn’t you, I’m sure you’ll also be mocking those dumb asses at Oxford.

Word is that Matthews has a terrible temper and is a bad tipper .

Big Eddie said:
Word is that Matthews has a terrible temper and is a bad tipper .

Funny. I heard the same thing about the Drop Out Governor.

BECKERHEAD’S GONE PREACHER, AND QUITE THE HERETIC,
O’HANNITY IS A SIMPLY A WORLD CLASS WHINER,
O’REILLY PRESENTS THAT WEIRD BODY LANGUAGE CHICK,
ADD O’VAN SUSTEREN: ASLEEP IN MY RECLINER!

conservativeslie said:
conservatives does not always translate into republican.

No it doesn’t. I’m not a Republican but like a large percentage of the country I favor many conservative issues. Such as believing that illegal immigration is a serious issue, and that the Arizona illegal immigration law is just about right and I favor it:
http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

Like most Americans, I believe that the federal government wastes money:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021004708.html

Additionally, I, like the majority of America, don’t favor Obamacare, and actually oppose it:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

You, and others like you, don’t argue the issues anymore. Why? I’m not sure, only you can answer that. Instead, you use your race baiting/ fear mongering DNC issued talking points.

Just try and stick with the issues, debate the points, but stop with your race-baiting – it’s getting old. In fact, it’s losing its once “mccarthyism-like” essence it once had.

That thing about the back of his leg, has really warped his grip on reality. Here’s a hint Matthews, Obimbo is a socialist who’s living in a Republic…get it know?

writer said:
King, the Oxford dictionary: pluperfect: expressing action completed prior to some past point of time. As in ‘the pluperfect tense’.

I never said the tense/grammmatical definition was wrong dimwit. I said educated people know there is more than one definition. Modern English “pluperfect” comes from Latin “plusquamperfectus”, via Middle English “pluperfyth” and literally means more than perfect. Think of “dash”. It can mean a punctuation mark, or a small amount or a sprint. Sometimes, words have more than one meaning. In English, we have a very large working vocabulary, well, some of us do, and we often avoid using the same word with different meanings. German has a relatively small working vocabulary, and French, smaller still. So you do find words with multiple meanings used more frequently.

Your appreciation is acknowledged.

BECKERHEAD’S GONE PREACHER, AND QUITE THE HERETIC,
O’HANNITY IS A SIMPLY A WORLD CLASS WHINER,
O’REILLY PRESENTS THAT WEIRD BODY LANGUAGE CHICK,
ADD O’VAN SUSTEREN: ASLEEP IN MY RECLINER!

King, we’re all aware from the tenor of your posts that no one is as smart as you…not even the people at Oxford. Using the Oxford dictionary as a source, rather than Chris Matthew’s use of the word, was inexcusable.

writer said:
King, we’re all aware from the tenor of your posts that no one is as smart as you…not even the people at Oxford. Using the Oxford dictionary as a source, rather than Chris Matthew’s use of the word, was inexcusable.

Why do you people even bother with King? He’s obviously very immature, just look at his little phrase he puts at the bottom of each post. Besides, he’s been caught lying before, but claims it was just satire. Just ignore the guy.

FearMonger said:
A ‘dialogue’ about what, pray tell? About the FACT that Matthews (as well as the rest of MSNBC) are a big fat joke? There is nothing to discuss. Just more finger-pointing and ignorance of the obvious with the usual race-baiting thrown in for good measure. To tell you the truth alamo… you have proved yourself to be a hypocrite right here on this thread. You’ve had a lot to say about the tone of other posters but I didn’t see you say a friggin’ word about TRRK’s blatantly racist comment that I called him out on. In case you haven’t noticed, Homey don’t play dat. Double-standards get ZERO respect from me. So…. if you want to apply your standards of conduct /reprimands equitably then MAYBE we can have a ‘dialogue’… Until then you know what you can do with your suggestion that I be ‘more polite’, right?

I rest my case. It is impossible to get polite, intelligent discussion on this website. Comments like yours are an insult to the people who would like to see a dialogue. And as far as TRRK’s comments: I don’t like a lot of them, either.

Permatiltx said:
There’s not a lot you can do, alamo. The reason is simple. It’s what they see on TV. Though the liberal parties aren’t immune either. You will get more name calling and race baiting and sound bite screaming as opposed to intelligent debate on the internet, because they see their pundits name call, throw out sound bites and race bait. You will find the people who don’t follow an ideology or don’t quote religiously from left or right talking points or don’t even believe that Beck or Olbermann are messiahs and should be followed and listened to and free of human flaws tend to be the ones that are seeking intelligent discussion of issues. But, just like on TV, the negative attackers are louder and tend to push out those who can debate. They scream as opposed to debate (yes, I know we’re on the internet, I don’t mean a literal (proper use of that word) screaming but a figurative one.). They raise their voices and thus that’s how they know they are right, they are louder. Of course, there comments are empty and do nothing for the nation or for their own cause.

Very intelligent post. Thanks a lot. But I noticed that you have already been given one thumbs down. I cannot for the life of me figure why, but then, I cannot understand the vitriol of the extreme right or left either. Very sad times we live in.

Obama certainly did come about in the textbook “American Dream” way. His is an amazing story, and it did come as a result of hard work. I don’t know what Dave Richards is talking about when he says he can’t say Obama worked all that hard.

Many people don’t like Obama policy-wise, which is fair. I didn’t necessarily like Bush because of his policies, but I certainly didn’t hate the man, and I did like Bush personally.

The thing here is there are a lot of people who irrationally hate the man (Obama) with all of their being. It’s almost disturbing the amount of hate that is directed toward the man, much of it personal. Liberals were this way with Bush and it was called Bush Derangement Syndrome. Well, we are now witnessing the phenomenon of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Obama is a dedicated father and seems like a good guy to be around. I wish we could just stick to disagreeing on policy and not direct irrational hate towards any politician.

notsofast said:
Chris, I hoped Barry used a condom with you!!!

Another prime example of the filth that permeates the Internet. No courtesy, no thoughtful discourse. Just juvenile garbage. Please grow up, youngster.

stoogedudes said:
Obama certainly did come about in the textbook “American Dream” way. His is an amazing story, and it did come as a result of hard work. I don’t know what Dave Richards is talking about when he says he can’t say Obama worked all that hard. Many people don’t like Obama policy-wise, which is fair. I didn’t necessarily like Bush because of his policies, but I certainly didn’t hate the man, and I did like Bush personally. The thing here is there are a lot of people who irrationally hate the man (Obama) with all of their being. It’s almost disturbing the amount of hate that is directed toward the man, much of it personal. Liberals were this way with Bush and it was called Bush Derangement Syndrome. Well, we are now witnessing the phenomenon of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Obama is a dedicated father and seems like a good guy to be around. I wish we could just stick to disagreeing on policy and not direct irrational hate towards any politician.

I think this is a very rational thought-provoking comment. It took both sides to task. I also disagreed with Bush’s policies, but very much liked the man and the First Lady. I thought they were a class act, and continue to be so after office. The hateful venom of the extremists, both left and right, ruins all things that could be positive. We cannot have a nice dialogue without the childish comments.

stoogedudes said:
The thing here is there are a lot of people who irrationally hate the man (Obama) with all of their being. It’s almost disturbing the amount of hate that is directed toward the man, much of it personal. Liberals were this way with Bush and it was called Bush Derangement Syndrome. Well, we are now witnessing the phenomenon of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

That is a very good point. I look at Obama background, and what he went through and applaud his actions. He’s a good example of hard work. Now my opinion of him regarding his policies and ideology are very different from my opinion of his personal story.

I agree with the comment about Obama Derangement Syndrome, and must add that there is certainly a Palin Derangement Syndrome out there as well.

Obama never worked hard at anything except basketball.
How does Chris know he was a good student? Have you seen his grade transcripts?
Why doesn’t he have any published articles on the law? He was the editor of the Harvard Law Review.
He was born in Hawaii but why won’t he show the original birth certificate?
Why haven’t we heard from a single friend of his in college. All other presidents had friends that talked about being in school with them. When the news media did track down two of his friends they ran from the cameras, why?
Obama fooled us once, shame on him. He WON’T fool us twice.

To “The Real Royal Pain”

Don’t you have anything to do ..?

I visit these Mediaite posts every once in a while and you’re always doing the same thing, vomiting derision and hate and saying all these vile things… (WTF!)

You seem to spend A LOT of your time spitting out garbage wrapped in faux elitism.

For instance, on this sunny day, you judge everyone in the Republican as…hate-filled white people:

“The Republican Party from Raygun onward has been nothing but a hate-mongering enterprise targeted at its core of hate-filled White people…”

(“Pot” meet “kettle”)

So…millions of people are evil in your…mind (that’s a dark and twisted place to be sure).
That kind of darkness is useless in a conversation (and really sad). Get some help…and a hobby or job or…something.

Crawl out of your cousin’s basement once in a while (during the daytime). You’ll squint a lot at first but then you’ll see and hear nature and maybe some happy people and then maybe you’ll start to get better.

Lurking around forums trying to out-hate your colleagues is pathetic.

You’re public festering is worse than bad, it’s boring.

Join a recovery group and leave the verbal pipe bombs alone.

Take a basket weaving course or something and ask your doctor to adjust your meds.

stoogedudes said:
The thing here is there are a lot of people who irrationally hate the man (Obama) with all of their being.

I enjoyed your post stoogedudes and agree on most of it but…. the part I quoted is the part I feel you have exaggerated. It’s possible that my range of information gathering isn’t diverse enough and perhaps I have missed something that I have seen.

If you wouldn’t mind giving me some examples of ‘irrational hatred’ I would appreciate it. Surely you’re not talking about the kind of BS that spew here at Mediaite… I’ve seen much worse than this at places like HuffPo and Democratic Underground and Daily Kos.

Like More Liberty said… there is definitely a Palin Derangement Syndrome out there and IMO it makes ODS look like a love-fest.

Like I said, maybe I ‘don’t get out enough’ but i just don’t see the “HATE” you referred to.

that YOU have seen

alamo2 said:
Another prime example of the filth that permeates the Internet. No courtesy, no thoughtful discourse. Just juvenile garbage. Please grow up, youngster.

Your words move me; in my bowels!

Are you about done criticising us Alamo2?
Between Obama, Reid and Pelosi, a great deal has been done to undermine the stability of this nation. Many of us are pissed off beyond belief at how those three, with the rest of congress have spent our future treasure on folly, without thought as to the consequences those expenditures will have on our as yet to be born children and grand children. Additionally, many of us find it offensive the way the guy (Obama) just can not get behind our military with the 100% support they so richly deserve. His priority’s are just plain messed up.
As for The Real Royal King Richard, he is an idiot/moron, completely lacking in anything that might resemble good home training and deserves any crap flung his way. I actually believe he likes it because nobody, including himself can possibly believe in the politics he spews.
You seem like a nice person. Just duck when the crap is flying.

notsofast said:
Chris, I hoped Barry used a condom with you!!!

or at least gave him a reach-around

Hello boys… see you still up to your pathetic lil boy games, I know this will be difficult for you as this information pertains directly to your preferred style (and there are some big words you might have to look up…)

The psychosocial roots of bullying, including abusive language, slurs and flaming online (but also physically violent behavior, terrorism and terroristic behavior and even insanity and suicide or murder):

For decades we have known that people who are compelled to abuse others have problems. A compassionate view is difficult when one observes bullying behavior in another person. It raises the hackles. All the anger at willful mistreatment of another person who is simply expressing their view… makes me want to hit back with the very huge mean streak I seek always to suppress. It’s even more overwhelming in its ferocity (and therefore even more shameful) because I know that abusers and especially those who hide behind the internet are damaged but want (even need) to damage or silence others through cheap shots, foul language and insult. For me this just pokes my inner pit-bull and makes me rain down cruel words to let them know they shouldn’t have come to a gun fight armed with a pen knife. I am not proud of it, though I will admit that I get a bit of a thrill when I identify the soft flesh of a weak man without the intellectual capacity to participate in reasoned discourse.

So… for my conscience’s sake I will say this that research shows bullies of any type either are (select one or several … whichever apply):

1.abuse victims who only feel powerful when they attack others
2.socio-paths without the ability to actually “see” other human beings
3.chemically dependent and unable to inhibit behaviors that are negative
4.brain damaged specifically in the prefrontal region and this limits their ability to judge consequences or use good judgment (could be birth defect like fetal alchohol syndrome, trauma, disease or another cause)
5.have serious doubts about their masculinity and are so traumatized by this they display behaviors that they mistakenly think reinforce their masculinity
6.Have some major physical deformity or physiological dysfunction of which they are deeply ashamed and angry.
7.Or have experienced such heartbreak, loneliness and rejection that they strike out at any moving target

8. Or here is another one I almost forgot. Bullies are ususally poorly educated and can’t compete with anyone in a good debate. They get frustrated easily and have a tantrum because they feel powerless.

Some scholarly articles for those who have the brain pan, let alone the willingness, to absorb new information, are available online. Time to grow-up and become Godly men… who can speak in a Godly manner. Because, after all, if you have a point to make, make it. Your intelligence wins you support… Your abuse of those who oppose you only creates opposition to what you support. No one intelligent (left, right or center) likes it or wants to be associated with this type of ignorant, childish behavior.

Your sister in Christ, Kathy

FearMonger said:
Like I said, maybe I ‘don’t get out enough’ but i just don’t see the “HATE” you referred to.

I probably should qualify that by saying that HATE is a big word to me. STRONG DISLIKE is as strong as my feelings get for the people I have met in my life. I hated this one particular peckerhead in school who was a big mean bully but he asked me to fogive him (long story) and I did.

Of course I ‘HATE’ anyone who would seek to harm me or my family and friends and by extension anyone who would seek to harm my peace-loving brothers and sisters who share this Earth with us. That even includes you infuriating leftwingers. Like Evelyn Beatrice Hall wrote…

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

That’s exactly how I feel about Obama. I think he is completely wrong-headed. He thnks his charm can win over the meanest mothers on this planet and he (we) found out different the hard way. Now Imanutjob has his nuclear facility up and running (something BO said was ‘intolerable’) and we are just skipping along ignoring the threat in early September.. Sound familiar?

I learn my lessons and what I learned from 9-11 is that some people hate us JUST FOR WHAT WE REPRESENT. Our beautiful women wear bikinis (God Bless America) and we tolerate all religions and all lifestyles. That’s all the reason those radical assholes need to ‘recruit terrorists’. Period.

All this extending of olive branches… ‘they will like us if we are nice to them’… mentality is BS. All that gets us is sucker-punched and then kicked in the nads. Believe me, I wish the world was different.

What happened was that I grew up and accepted that there is real unjustified HATRED out there and no amount of talking is going to change that. I let go of my idealism and embraced the world the way it REALLY IS…. and in that world you have to talk the talk AND walk the walk.

And Obowma (so far) is all talk. That doesn’t mean I HATE him…. it means I think he’s taking us in the wrong direction by making America appear weak and fragile. Plus the fact that he so rarely points to all the GREAT things about this Country and he seems to piss on patriotic Americans every time he gets a chance.

Of course, that’s what all the leftwingers have made a job out of doing lately. I’m almost to the point of giving up on people like Matthews who are being willfully ignorant and profoundly obtuse.

Still I don’t HATE them…. I STRONGLY DISLIKE the hell out of them… but I don’t HATE them.

You, and others like you, don’t argue the issues anymore. Why? I’m not sure, only you can answer that. Instead, you use your race baiting/ fear mongering DNC issued talking points.

Just try and stick with the issues, debate the points, but stop with your race-baiting – it’s getting old. In fact, it’s losing its once “mccarthyism-like” essence it once had.

the reason we continue to bring it up is because we see what is happening and won’t stay silent, no matter what you say or post. Glenn Beck is dangerous, so is Rupert Murdock. Ted Turner called Rupert Murdock the most dangerous man in America 15 years ago…he was right. What we are pointing out is that even in this day and age you can manipulate people very well with the media. That is what Fox does, they manipulate, and it damages our country, plain and simple. As for your points, Obamacare is great, it provides service for people in this country who need it. There is no reason why we should not do this, and even though you don’t like it and its unpopular with many people, it will be seen as a great piece of legislation. The federal government always wastes money, that has always happened. But the Federal government is also capable of moving mountains like no other institution can. We cannot leave the big issues in the hands of the private sector…look back at our history in the 20′s to understand why government is needed. Abdication is no form of governing and only unleashes the greedy and the criminal. As for the immigration law, its a side issue to a bigger problem. We can’t deport the 10M people who are already here. After WW2, Germany was forced to deport all non Germans back to Russia and other countries where they came from. They were shot by Stalin as being “tainted” with western ideas. We can’t ship back Mexicans to Mexico. So we have to find a solution. And that solution is a path to citizenship with ID cards so employers know who they are hiring and can be prosecuted for hiring illegal workers. What you and your kind like to do is make the illegals the issue, plant the fear of them in all of your minds to gain votes. Its been around forever, you are just extending it. Securing the border is a huge waste of money…see the other crazy conservative idea of invading iraq, that will lead nowhere and to no solution.

FearMonger said:
the Prez is a mongrel

Racist comment of the day.

gordonbloyershow said:
Obama never worked hard at anything except basketball.How does Chris know he was a good student? Have you seen his grade transcripts?Why doesn’t he have any published articles on the law? He was the editor of the Harvard Law Review.He was born in Hawaii but why won’t he show the original birth certificate?Why haven’t we heard from a single friend of his in college. All other presidents had friends that talked about being in school with them. When the news media did track down two of his friends they ran from the cameras, why?Obama fooled us once, shame on him. He WON’T fool us twice.

My God, Gordo, you sound like a birther whacko. When people try to carry on a conversation, you interject your usual brand of hate-filled garbage. And then you ask how Mathews would know if President Obama was a good student? That is right after you said that he never worked hard at anything except basketball. How would you know? You are a hypocrite that is loaded with hate. Your website is loaded with hate. You can’t bear the idea of carrying on a good conversation where you might learn something. That is above you. You would rather spew vitriol that usually makes no common sense.

Chuck Steele said:
Are you about done criticising us Alamo2?Between Obama, Reid and Pelosi, a great deal has been done to undermine the stability of this nation. Many of us are pissed off beyond belief at how those three, with the rest of congress have spent our future treasure on folly, without thought as to the consequences those expenditures will have on our as yet to be born children and grand children. Additionally, many of us find it offensive the way the guy (Obama) just can not get behind our military with the 100% support they so richly deserve. His priority’s are just plain messed up.As for The Real Royal King Richard, he is an idiot/moron, completely lacking in anything that might resemble good home training and deserves any crap flung his way. I actually believe he likes it because nobody, including himself can possibly believe in the politics he spews.You seem like a nice person. Just duck when the crap is flying.

Thanks for the compliment. But i would feel better about it if you admitted (as I did with RRKR) that the people who spew hate-filled vitriol on this site come both the right and the left. I asked to get in a normal conversation, and I was met with “you f**king **tard!” If we could get rid of those who have little to offer except expletives on this site, we would be better off. By the way, I am a Vietnam veteran, so I can empathize with those who feel that the President does not get totally behind the military. But then, I felt the same about President Bush and Rumsfeld. Nice talking with you.

Kathleen M. Lake said:
Hello boys… see you still up to your pathetic lil boy games, I know this will be difficult for you as this information pertains directly to your preferred style (and there are some big words you might have to look up…) The psychosocial roots of bullying, including abusive language, slurs and flaming online (but also physically violent behavior, terrorism and terroristic behavior and even insanity and suicide or murder): For decades we have known that people who are compelled to abuse others have problems. A compassionate view is difficult when one observes bullying behavior in another person. It raises the hackles. All the anger at willful mistreatment of another person who is simply expressing their view… makes me want to hit back with the very huge mean streak I seek always to suppress. It’s even more overwhelming in its ferocity (and therefore even more shameful) because I know that abusers and especially those who hide behind the internet are damaged but want (even need) to damage or silence others through cheap shots, foul language and insult. For me this just pokes my inner pit-bull and makes me rain down cruel words to let them know they shouldn’t have come to a gun fight armed with a pen knife. I am not proud of it, though I will admit that I get a bit of a thrill when I identify the soft flesh of a weak man without the intellectual capacity to participate in reasoned discourse. So… for my conscience’s sake I will say this that research shows bullies of any type either are (select one or several … whichever apply): 1.abuse victims who only feel powerful when they attack others2.socio-paths without the ability to actually “see” other human beings3.chemically dependent and unable to inhibit behaviors that are negative4.brain damaged specifically in the prefrontal region and this limits their ability to judge consequences or use good judgment (could be birth defect like fetal alchohol syndrome, trauma, disease or another cause)5.have serious doubts about their masculinity and are so traumatized by this they display behaviors that they mistakenly think reinforce their masculinity6.Have some major physical deformity or physiological dysfunction of which they are deeply ashamed and angry.7.Or have experienced such heartbreak, loneliness and rejection that they strike out at any moving target 8. Or here is another one I almost forgot. Bullies are ususally poorly educated and can’t compete with anyone in a good debate. They get frustrated easily and have a tantrum because they feel powerless. Some scholarly articles for those who have the brain pan, let alone the willingness, to absorb new information, are available online. Time to grow-up and become Godly men… who can speak in a Godly manner. Because, after all, if you have a point to make, make it. Your intelligence wins you support… Your abuse of those who oppose you only creates opposition to what you support. No one intelligent (left, right or center) likes it or wants to be associated with this type of ignorant, childish behavior. Your sister in Christ, Kathy

Very timely, and very thought provoking comment. Thanks, Kathleen!

Part of the problem with this assessment is that Matthews automatically assumes that anyone taking up opposition to Obama policies “hates” the man, and therefore we need to find the root of that hate, ergo racism is trotted out. The problem here is that facts do not bear this out. Obama was elected due in part to the largest support from white males for a Democratic President in more than a generation.

One phenomenon since the Obama election is the inability to oppose any issue from this administration on that issue’s merits. If you take issue with a policy is instantly is branded as hate for the man, and therein lies the racism. People opposed health care during the Clinton Presidency, but only now opposition is due to skin color. The constant drumbeat of racism comes from Matthews and the left, as they try to hurl the charge at those on the right.

You can see the framing of these people over the two events in D.C. this weekend. Beck was deemed to be insensitive. why? Because he is white, and speaking during Dr. King’s speech anniversary. How is that not a racist conclusion? The whole purpose of King’s words were to bypass that kind of judgement. And once again the massive crowd that turned out for Glenn Beck was deemed as “mostly white”, but curiously the same measure was not applied to Al Sharpton’s simultaneous, and equally monochromatic event. Then you had Ben Jealous give an interview prior to this weekend where he declared that Dr. King’s words would inspire Beck’s crowd to boo. That is a stunningly racist accusation to level at a people, yet no one felt the need to give him an upbraiding. It is all revealing.

conservativeslie said:
Securing the border is a huge waste of money

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but but but….

conservativeslie said:
The federal government always wastes money, that has always happened. But the Federal government is also capable of moving mountains like no other institution can.

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conservativeslie said:
the other crazy conservative idea of invading iraq, that will lead nowhere and to no solution.

I think you mean ‘the other crazy conservative idea of removing Saddam’. You wouldn’t want people to think you are insinuating that we went there for a land/ oil grab.

As for it ‘leading nowhere’… well now that just depends, doesn’t it? I mean, that book hasn’t been written yet, right?

Is it POSSIBLE that Iraq will prove to be a shining beacon in the heart of the middle east? Is it POSSIBLE that they will set an example that others in the region will follow? Is it POSSIBLE that the people of the middle east will start having a voice in their own governance and turn their collective backs on oppressors?

Is it POSSIBLE that the once laughed-at dream of Peace In The Middle East is becoming a reality right now under our noses in a beautiful, blossoming Country once held hostage by a ruthless dictator? Is it POSSIBLE that history will remember Dubya as the man who set it all in motion when he did what he thought was right (at his own political peril) and liberated the people of Iraq?

I don’t know… I say many things are POSSIBLE. But then again, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think we can deport people who are here illegaly.

Silly me.

Funny how you say the Feds can “move mountains” but you don’t think they are capable of loading up some buses and driving mexican illegals back to Mexico.

Kathleen, get your ass back in the Drive-thru, they are starting to get
busy in there!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Racist comment of the day.

I didn’t even know that word until the other day. Now let’s see…. where did I hear it?….. and WHO was it describing…

Hmmm. My memory fails. Anybody else remember who first said Obama is a ‘mongrel’?

JimBob said:
Kathleen, get your ass back in the Drive-thru, they are starting to getbusy in there!

I think you just proved Kathleen’s point beyond any doubt.

The Real Royal King said:

Slash and burn, burn and slash. Never any substance. Never any building up of America or even presenting policies for governance. Hate. Hate. hate. Raygun and Meese. Poppy and Atwater. W and Dick and O’Rove. Hate. Hate. Hate.

BECKERHEAD’S GONE PREACHER, AND QUITE THE HERETIC,
O’HANNITY IS A SIMPLY A WORLD CLASS WHINER,
O’REILLY PRESENTS THAT WEIRD BODY LANGUAGE CHICK,
ADD O’VAN SUSTEREN: ASLEEP IN MY RECLINER!

TRRK is summing up his posts to a t.

Who spiked his Raspberry Daiquiri with truth serum?

More Liberty said:
That is a very good point. I look at Obama background, and what he went through and applaud his actions. He’s a good example of hard work. Now my opinion of him regarding his policies and ideology are very different from my opinion of his personal story. I agree with the comment about Obama Derangement Syndrome, and must add that there is certainly a Palin Derangement Syndrome out there as well.

I agree. Look, I like Sarah Palin. Sure, I’ll make a snarky comment about her, but I don’t hate her but what I do hate is when people go after her children. The media focusing on Bristol is disgusting. Sarah Palin seems like many people I knew growing up. I have no doubt Sarah Palin is a good person with a good heart…I just don’t want her running this country.

FearMonger said:
I enjoyed your post stoogedudes and agree on most of it but…. the part I quoted is the part I feel you have exaggerated. It’s possible that my range of information gathering isn’t diverse enough and perhaps I have missed something that I have seen. If you wouldn’t mind giving me some examples of ‘irrational hatred’ I would appreciate it. Surely you’re not talking about the kind of BS that spew here at Mediaite… I’ve seen much worse than this at places like HuffPo and Democratic Underground and Daily Kos. Like More Liberty said… there is definitely a Palin Derangement Syndrome out there and IMO it makes ODS look like a love-fest. Like I said, maybe I ‘don’t get out enough’ but i just don’t see the “HATE” you referred to.

Actually, FearMonger, it probably depends on which side of the aisle you’re on that you gather the perception that the other side is full of hate. Perhaps, as a liberal, I see the anti-Obama-ism as hate, and vice versa. I am sure you don’t hate Obama. But people like Constantly and others like him, what I see is hate from them.

If I had time in my break here at work, I’d show you some examples, but I have a meeting in about 3 minutes, so I won’t be able to. But I get your point.

And it seems like when someone on one side says something inflammatory, it provokes some strong speech from someone else on the other side. I haven’t seen a whole lot of hate on HuffPo, but yes, I agree that Daily Kos, and Democratic Underground do have a lot of hate on them, and I detest it. Gotta run! Have a good one, y’all!

Gordon’s no dummy and he doesn’t really believe that Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii. He just gets a kick out of shaking things up and making the slavering flying monkey boys dance. Gordon is smart but those lil boys who worship him and follow him around like puppies, don’t have the brains to speak in a lucid manner so they just chatter, use foul language, and type with one hand. I’ve actually met some great conservatives here and I like it that I can talk with people here who have a different view than I.

How out of touch can you get? Chris Matthews doesn’t understand why people don’t like Barack Obama. Well, Chris, I suggest you take a look at

unemployment figures,
housing starts,
home prices,
GDP growth,
capital spending by businesses,
casualties in Afghanistan,
consumer confidence figures,
retail space rentals,
bank lending,
mortgage foreclosures,
real income growth,
exports,
imports,
luxury goods sales,
government deficits,
unfunded future government liabilities,
auto sales,
Etc.
Etc.

And then come back and report on what you’ve learned.

I know the left prefers to ignore facts and reality, but Matthews must be living in the Twilight Zone for him to make this kind of statement. It’s scary that people working as TV pundits can be so clueless.

alamo2 said:
Very timely, and very thought provoking comment. Thanks, Kathleen!

Keep posting Alamo. Don’t let bullies with micro pe*is shut you up.

JimBob said:
Kathleen, get your ass back in the Drive-thru, they are starting to getbusy in there!

LOL funneee.. I actually like this one and will shamelessly us it. But, you do understand that you proved my point about bullies who can come up with a cogent reply to anything. Time to grow up now.

woops… should be “can’t come up with a cogent reply to anything.” Still laughing.

alamo, have you read about Obama? Have you read his book. Why don’t you tell me how you know he worked hard at anything? His grandmother raised him and gave him anything he needed. He went to the best schools.
Have you seen any transcripts of any of his grades?
Why do you just follow the liberal line about Obama?
He has produced NOTHING to prove he worked hard at anything. Do you think being a community organizer is hard work? When did asking these questions become hate?
Why aren’t you asking why you can’t answer these questions? All of our other presidents have a history that we know from birth to death. We know what Reagan’s, Nixon’s, Goldwater’s, Ford’s and both Bush’s grades were. Why not Obama?

to fear monger; the federal government probably could ship them back, but they should not do it! why can’t they become citizens, what is the fear all about with that? don’t you think many of our ancestors came here illegally? of course they did. The fear of making immigrants legal is a game the conservatives play to create hate in the mind of their followers…and guess what, it works. As for Iraq, we all know that we went there on a lie, as in my name, conservativeslie. Maybe peace will come to Iraq…good for them…why is it on our bill though? Lieing to go to war is a serious, serious issue. It degrades and erodes our society and our country. Chip by chip, all of these add up. And its the conservatives who have had their chisel out…as liberals, we are here to fight back. To not let the hate filled conservatives dominate the agenda.

Kathleen M. Lake said:
Your abuse of those who oppose you only creates opposition to what you support. No one intelligent (left, right or center) likes it or wants to be associated with this type of ignorant, childish behavior.

____________

Hmmmm… kinda like this?….

Kathleen M. Lake said:
He just gets a kick out of shaking things up and making the slavering flying monkey boys dance. Gordon is smart but those lil boys who worship him and follow him around like puppies, don’t have the brains to speak in a lucid manner so they just chatter, use foul language, and type with one hand.

That didn’t take long, KML. Next time you want to lecture and condescend to all the ‘boys’ about the ‘pathetic lil boy games blah blah blah’….. try not to partake of the forbidden fruit on the very same thread.

Now give me back my rib dammit! ….or else go put on those new shoes you bought last week and do a once-around-the-catwalk…. you know you bought some and you know you want to show them off!

chill folks. twas a joke in the same vein as the stereotypes set forth by KML. My wife beat the chauvinist outta me a long time ago,

alamo2 said:
Another worthless comment that adds nothing to the discussion. You don’t give a damn about anything intellectual, do you? All you want to do is attack, attack, attack. It’s very sad, and frustrating, when folks like you throw in comments like that instead of contributing something. Oh, don’t forget to give me a thumbs down.

I gave you a thumbs up but only because you lobbied for a thumbs down. Poor little libby, you play the victim well. The ignorance of your own hypocrisy completely destroys the self proclaimed intellectual mantel that you oh so graciously carry for the rest of us. I now consider you on par with Jesus Christ for carrying the cross, in order to save all of us stupid folks. Save us all Alamo2!

Personally, I am ardently opposed to most of Obama’s policies and governmental philosophy….and I also think he is a ill prepared leader. I also perceive an elitist bent and the, all too standard in government, moral corruptness in the man….he thinks more about politics and power consolidation than representing the people.

I don’t hate the man…but I definitely do not like him or respect him….sorry.

Now speaking from an impartial view….I am not politically affiliated….i do not believe in party politics….so let me offer an observation into the hatred by those who are party people….

It’s just a simple case of “you reap what you sow”. Hatred begets hatred. The left was a beacon of hatred towards the right for years and now the left is getting it back in turn. If you on the left deny that previous hatred, then you are simply being disingenuous.

Party politics are a breeding ground for hate and hypocrisy and if you subscribe to partisanship then all you can do is accept your lot….complaining falls on deaf ears.

More Liberty said:
Personally, I think Obama’$ personal story is great. He went out and accomplished goals, got a good education, had a family, took care of responsibilities. He’s a good example on a personal aspect, yeah he tried snorting some coke, and smoked a view bowls, but we all make mistakes and are flawed.

What I don’t like is his ideology of redistribution of wealth, and his public policies. Nor do I care for his unconstitutional actions.

Redistribution of wealth? You mean affordable health-care?,unemployment extensions?,Some wouldn’t call those “wealth” If anything Republicans are trying to re-distribute wealth. for instance stealing from social security. I’m not suggesting Republicans alone stole it but they don’t want to pay it back, ie raising retirement age or “privatizing or personalizing it. . Unconstitutional actions? Any specifics? Public policies that of course we can agree or disagree with. Valid point on that one I think.

“This guy, Barack Obama– not to get too basic about it – did everything right. He studied hard in school. He obeyed the law. He raised a family. He took care of his family. He was an excellent student. He was on the ” Harvard Law Review.” He did every — he went through the democratic process. He didn’t go out and make a lot of money on Wall Street. He gave himself to his community. This guy is almost pluperfect, and they don’t like him.”

What does any of this have to do with being a good president?

Privatizing SS is a good idea….I’d rather handle my own retirement fully than have it go to a fund that is used as a cash cow for politicians and which is actually just a ponzi scheme that is destined to collapse. You may disagree, but that’s just your opinion.

As for unconstitutional acts…

This Health Care is inherently unconstitutional…the government cannot mandate that people purchase a product under penalty of law. It’s just that simple.Understand your 9th and 10th amendments.

Taking over private corporations is also unconstitutional.

How about circumventing preferred stock holders and giving funds instead to union associate in direct violation of contract law?

There’s a couple other things that range from actions by presidential fiat to bribery of campaign candidates with jobs to resign their campaign runs, etc.

There’s alot of true BS going on.

Unfortunately, if you’re invested in a party(his party), you won’t listen or don’t care. So it’s really pointless to discuss, in a sense.

Hopefully the coming elections will help rectify and reverse some of the violations…..we’ll see.

FearMonger said:
____________ Hmmmm… kinda like this?…. That didn’t take long, KML. Next time you want to lecture and condescend to all the ‘boys’ about the ‘pathetic lil boy games blah blah blah’….. try not to partake of the forbidden fruit on the very same thread. Now give me back my rib dammit! ….or else go put on those new shoes you bought last week and do a once-around-the-catwalk…. you know you bought some and you know you want to show them off! chill folks. twas a joke in the same vein as the stereotypes set forth by KML. My wife beat the chauvinist outta me a long time ago,

I only treat the flying monkey boys badly as it is the only thing they understand. I don’t recall ever speaking harshly to you as you actually have something interesting to say. Gordon and Murf I just plain respect because they are honest enough to use their real names and even when they get mean there is some wit involved which I always like. Sure they are men of strong opinions and sometimes they can be harsh. But they are smart and I think their intentions are to inform rather than foam at the mouth. As long as the flying monkey boys continue to be foul mouthed, insulting and just plain dumb… I will continue to treat them badly at every opportunity. If they could, just once, make a cogent argument (like you seem to be able to do) and treat others with civility … I would gladly stop picking on them. The desire to abuse others is an ugly thing whether it comes from them or me. I, at least, can feel badly about it. I won’t stop though because that is how it works with bullies … give them a good slap and they wet themselves running for the nearest exit. I don’t get bullied much… but I don’t like seeing done to anyone else either.

And no offense taken at your joke at my expense. I like a man with a sense of humor. Like they say “happy wife… happy life.”

alamo2 said:
Very intelligent post. Thanks a lot. But I noticed that you have already been given one thumbs down. I cannot for the life of me figure why, but then, I cannot understand the vitriol of the extreme right or left either. Very sad times we live in.

Alamo… I think people haven’t really changed much from the cave-dwelling times. The internet however give them anonymity and it allow them to avoid responsibility for what they say. Cowardly and depressing but there are also so good people here right and left who are very interesting to listen to. Like yourself.

KMLake said:
I only treat the flying monkey boys badly as it is the only thing they understand. I don’t recall ever speaking harshly to you as you actually have something interesting to say. Gordon and Murf I just plain respect because they are honest enough to use their real names and even when they get mean there is some wit involved which I always like. Sure they are men of strong opinions and sometimes they can be harsh. But they are smart and I think their intentions are to inform rather than foam at the mouth. As long as the flying monkey boys continue to be foul mouthed, insulting and just plain dumb… I will continue to treat them badly at every opportunity. If they could, just once, make a cogent argument (like you seem to be able to do) and treat others with civility … I would gladly stop picking on them. The desire to abuse others is an ugly thing whether it comes from them or me. I, at least, can feel badly about it. I won’t stop though because that is how it works with bullies … give them a good slap and they wet themselves running for the nearest exit. I don’t get bullied much… but I don’t like seeing done to anyone else either.

Fair enough and well said. Keep in mind that when I take shots at BFD and TRRK and shootfromthehip it’s in the same spirit. My special pet peeve is when someone intentionally distorts anothers words and refuses to see the truth even when extra effort is made to shine a light on it.

It happens all too often…. even one of the COLUMNISTS here does it quite often. He’s one of those truly special partisan hacks but it seems most clear thinking people here at Mediaite have his number.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful and reasonable response and for taking my lame attempt at humor as it was intended. I especially liked the ‘forbidden fruit’ reference btw… dang ol’ irresistible ladies have been tempting us right from the get-go!

I’m gonna keep my eye on you KML. You are fomidable (to say the least) and it’s always good to have formidable yet fair-minded people keeping things honest.

He did everything right? He “obeyed the law?” When was cocaine legal in America?

Back at ya bro. K

A lot of folks who never gave much thought to race, suddenly found themselves with a biracial president who won by a large margin against two larger than life heros of the right. There are folks out there who really don’t like him. But there are also a lot of our fellow citizens who are very proud of him and what he has done. I am certain that there exists a faction of people from my race (white) who will never admit anything Obama does or says might be correct. They just can’t publicly admit their real reason. Obama is also one of the most patient men I’ve ever seen and very self-controlled. He told us when he ran for office what he wanted to do as far as wall street and health care reform. And he still won… easily. So why was that and why wasn’t right paying attention. And before you get your panties in a wad…. I didn’t even vote for him… but I most likely will next time.

I recommend this book…

http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Against-Liberty-Indictment-President/dp/1596986247

Not much in it was a surprise to me since I follow things closely as it is….although there were a couple things I didn’t know.

I suggest Obama supporters, and those on the left, get and read it. Forget that the subject is Obama and just read it as if he was a nameless president. Then be honest with yourself and ask yourself if you approve of his conduct and politics.

And don’t just attack the book as a smear. It is not a book of allegations…..it is a book of actual facts delineating Obama’s actual actions while in office, presented in a very succint way.

Take a breath and pause from being a partisan hack and feed your head a little.

I would love to read it… along with a similar take on George Bush, Cheney and his bud’s at Haliburton (oh yeah and Carl Rove too) who got rich while they bankrupted our country. And it’s succinct and my head is doing just fine thank you. I also don’t read the National Enquirer, Star or other publications based on fantasy and wishful thinking.

The book is mostly documented facts…but you just basically dismiss this as fantasy based on your ideology and assumption? That’s pretty sad.

As for books on Bush and Cheney et al….they’re out there. Am I being presumptuous to think that you would somehow NOT assume they are fantasy?

Seriously, if you’re this close minded, the book wouldn’t do you any good anyway.

BTW….being a grammar nazi is about as lame as it gets.

KMLake said:
A lot of folks who never gave much thought to race, suddenly found themselves with a biracial president who won by a large margin against two larger than life heros of the right. There are folks out there who really don’t like him. But there are also a lot of our fellow citizens who are very proud of him and what he has done. I am certain that there exists a faction of people from my race (white) who will never admit anything Obama does or says might be correct. They just can’t publicly admit their real reason. Obama is also one of the most patient men I’ve ever seen and very self-controlled. He told us when he ran for office what he wanted to do as far as wall street and health care reform. And he still won… easily. So why was that and why wasn’t right paying attention. And before you get your panties in a wad…. I didn’t even vote for him… but I most likely will next time.

Lotsa reasons why he won….. no time to go into them. Simply said, Blame Bush.

I submit that Obama the Campaigner is a TON different than Obama the POTUS. ‘Not one dime of tax increase’ was a lie when he said it and we ain’t seen nothin’ yet. The cig tax and the tan tax hurt but when they start taxing your employer paid health insurance as INCOME it’s gonna be REAL PAIN…. and it’s comin’.

Lotsa talk from Obama the Campaigner about ‘cutting’ the budget… hatchet/ scalpel blah blah blah. Has anyone seen any ‘cuts’ in spending? How about all that WASTE AND FRAUD they were gonna cut out of Medicare to help pay for Obamacare? Any news on that? Enquiring minds wanna know…

I also submit that he didn’t say much about FAT CATS before he became POTUS, since he was taking their money as hard as he could go.

You say ‘patient’… I say ‘calculating’. You say ‘self-controlled’ …. I say ‘controlling’. That’s what makes the world go ’round.

One last thing…. I just can’t tell you how irritated I get when they repeat that line about ‘we need to explain it better’. This from people who admit the didn’t read it and … IF they did…. didn’t understsnd it. Now we have our esteemed HHS director using the word “RE-EDUCATION”. Hmmmmmm

Whaddayathink woulda happened if a (R) had said THAT stoopid shit?

KMLake said:
I also don’t read the National Enquirer, Star or other publications based on fantasy and wishful thinking.

John Edwards is wishing NOBODY read the Enquirer. I’ll be they knew about Van Jones before the NYT did…..

KMLake said:
I didn’t even vote for him… but I most likely will next time.

KM, seriously? I have heard people that voted for him say they will again, but you are the first I have heard that didn’t vote for him last time say they will next election. What has he done to change your opinion?

KM, never mind, I just read your comments about Cheney and Haliburton. I think I see where you are coming from.

Matthews does not even grasp the irony that he and numerous other pundits tried telling us the Obama presidency would be post-racial, and then all they do is run around and accuse every single person who dissagrees with a policy as “racists”. Way to disprove your own predictiion.

Dave Richards said:
So he went to school and worked hard. Isn’t that what a person nis supposed to do to become successful? Although I wouldn’t call what he did as working all that hard

Why do you think he didn’t work hard to get where he is at?How many people with a name like his could become PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES while on their ass posting on a computer.

stoogedudes said:
Obama certainly did come about in the textbook “American Dream” way. His is an amazing story, and it did come as a result of hard work. I don’t know what Dave Richards is talking about when he says he can’t say Obama worked all that hard. Many people don’t like Obama policy-wise, which is fair. I didn’t necessarily like Bush because of his policies, but I certainly didn’t hate the man, and I did like Bush personally. The thing here is there are a lot of people who irrationally hate the man (Obama) with all of their being. It’s almost disturbing the amount of hate that is directed toward the man, much of it personal. Liberals were this way with Bush and it was called Bush Derangement Syndrome. Well, we are now witnessing the phenomenon of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Obama is a dedicated father and seems like a good guy to be around. I wish we could just stick to disagreeing on policy and not direct irrational hate towards any politician.

Well said I couldn’t agree more.

Obama has done many things wrong but I do agree with Chris on his big-picture point in which most right-wingers hate Obama for no other reason than him being a black, Democrat.

Obama can do as many right-wingers things as possible and the right will probably turn liberal and claim that he is killing America

They are laughably idiotic in their criticism of Obama

DrFunke said:
Obama has done many things wrong but I do agree with Chris on his big-picture point in which most right-wingers hate Obama for no other reason than him being a black, Democrat. Obama can do as many right-wingers things as possible and the right will probably turn liberal and claim that he is killing America They are laughably idiotic in their criticism of Obama

How many is that Tommy? I lost count at 25……