Figures that Tommy would be the one writing this.

There is no proof whatsoever that Republicans were the ones cheering for the death of a person that doesn’t even exist. It could have been ANYONE. I’m sure there were people there other than people in the tea party.

“There’s no competition in medicine.  Everybody is protected by
licensing.  And we should actually legalize alternative health care,
allow people to practice what they want.”

What?

If a lib it’s O.K.

“…Paul answered “no,” but several in the crowd hooted “Yeah!” to a smattering of laughter:”

2 people made noise . Take a look at the headline . “CNN/Tea Party Debate Audience cheers “.

You are wrong here , sir . But, never miss a chance to smear the opposition , huh ?

Listen to the clip, you can hear like one guy yell out, and he could very well work for this site or some other dem site.

Mountain/molehill/mediate/again.

Here’s Christopher, once again soiling his diaper over the comments and reaction of what even he admits to 3 or 4 people in an audience of hundreds.  This minor display, combined with the raucous applause during last week’s debate when the death penalty was mentioned proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the Republicans are “The Party of Death” (cue howling wolves and screeching doors).

Christopher – here’s two words for you: Grow up!

Tommy becomes more unhinged by the day.

Why do liberals hate personal responsibility?  That’s what the audience was cheering for.  Something liberals have NO use for.  They need gov’t to take care of their every want and need so they can sit out their butts writing crappy blogs every day. 

New to mediaite but starting to believe this particular author writes these pieces with such language on purpose to antagonize our flea-brain friends on the right. And it works every time. And it’s entertaining as hell, i must admit

cut no slack tommy lol

It is about taking responsibility as Ron Paul says, but its never a good thing for an audience to applaud and cheer the possibility of his hypothetical death. 

‘…Yeah!’ It’s a serious point and not a punch line for a joke….It’s a bad one!

This will get asked again and again and then again. It will be interesting to see if a similar group of Republican/Tea Party activists respond repeatedly in the same manner.

LOL can’t own up to your own debate audience.
This may the most hilarious denial I’ve ever seen.

I guess former Rep. Alan Grayson was rightall along,  when he said that the GOP health care plan was “don’t get sick” and if you do get sick, “die quickly.”

im glad you feel that way….Now hurry and fill out your DNR form…you wouldnt want anybody else to tote the note to keep your dumb ass alive….im going open up a funeral home….business will be booming….dead ass wingnuts by the hundreds…you stupid mofos are the most insensitive bunch of asswipes this nation has ever had….the uninsured mean nothing to you…maybe you have employer provided coverage or in all likelyhood youre taken care by us the taxpayer because your decrepid ass is on medicare….life is so easy for you trailer park republicans….youre all as rich as ya daddy limbaugh right?????…..dumbasses

i not a death penalty fan but tommy is so judgemental…….criminals are fine, playing politics with the value of our money fine….krugman fine…..3 or 4 people in a audience condemn  a whole political side

Stick a tamale in it, Moochelle.

Yeah…the liberals sent in people to cheer just in case they were asked that question. Grow a brain.

The really funny part is he then bans those who mock him. 

Someone getting an accident and dying isn’t murder.

The income tax is theft though.

Neighbors and friends helped out a long time before routine tests cost thousands of dollars. You people are incredibly stupid, and cruel.

Yeah, because I’m sure the liberal contingency in the TEA PARTY DEBATE is overwhelming. You’re a jackass. Deny, deny, deny…and deflect. Can’t even accept truth because you don’t have the balls to acknowledge it in the first place.

I hope you continue to look down your noses at the ‘flea-brain (sic) friends on the right.  It distracts you from the utter disaster your hero has become and offers you a momentary glipse of what to expect for the next four years come November 2012.

So if personal responsibility is so bad, why does the GOP love incarcerating black males disproportionately for drug use, possession, or sales? You know, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY…except your definitions change to suit whatever twisted agendas you have. I don’t do drugs, but when I see you clowns talk in one side of your mouth about your freedoms, but then go out of your way to inhibit the freedoms of anyone who isn’t like you…I call you for what you are: hypocrites.

Yeah, I can see Colby doing that.

the people who DID yell out can’t understand how this reaction contradicts their core
argument: 

they don’t want an individual mandate, right?  right. 

they don’t want the government to force people to buy
insurance (either public or private), right?  right.

presumably, those people here are saying, “look, if you don’t have insurance,
and you get injured, it’s your own fault if you can’t afford it, so you should die”.  right?  right.

so, isn’t that an argument that people should be required to have
health insurance, either public or private?  so we avoid these types
of situations where someone who doesn’t have health insurance gets
in an accident and REQUIRES THAT WE TAXPAYERS FOOT THE BILL?

no hospital or doctor in america will refuse to treat someone, so it’s a moot
point of whether ron paul thinks this guy in a coma should die.

as for the people in the crowd?  cruel, heartless, right wing zombies.  typical
rural or suburban american behavior.  grow up people.  visit a city once in awhile,
and get a taste of what the future looks like.  it’ll help us all. 

“several in the crowd” Tommy, really? Tell us right now, how many people did you hear yelling “yeah?”
 
It sounds to me that it was just ONE idiot screaming “yeah” and being that hes a fool, it made some people react.
 
And this is Ron Paul. Lets face it…Some of his supporters are OUT THERE…certainly not representative of mainstream conservatism. Tommy conveniently leaves that out in his lust for smearing republicans with his broad brush.
 
Is there some award for ‘shoddy journalist of the year’ that Tommy is trying to win here? Every story he’s done recently has the same premise: He takes something minor, flings it to the wall like the excrement that it is, and he hope it sticks. You could literally hear the lament in his voice that it hasn’t been working…
 
So sorry, but no matter how hard you try, (and you are trying really hard) you cant wrestle the pro-death mantle away from your abortion loving democrat party.
 
Just image the crowd reaction in a democratic debate if one of the candidates insisted on federally funded abortions…the room would explode in joy!
 

And when I see liberals fight tooth and nail to get a murderer off death row, while at the same time advocate for a person’s right to stick a pair of scissors into their childs skull and murder them, I call you what you are, disgusting hypocrites. 

And don’t get me started on how you liberals worship a man who fought against allowing a doctor to try to save a child that dares to survive an abortion. 

as an expat, an American living abroad in a country with a creaking, underfunded  and dysfunctional public health care system I always think that if I ever get seriously ill I will simultaneously wish I were living in France and be glad I am not living in the US. Until we Americans get over our hysterical fear of socialized medicine we will collectively deserve exactly what we get at the hands of these right wing nutters. When will we wake up to the realization that we already have “death committees” except they are not in any way accountable to society, they are only accountable to their masters, the private health insurance companies

This is ridiculous! You can tell from watching the exchange that they weren’t applauding the notion of just letting someone die when they lack insurance. They were applauding Ron Paul’s statement that people depend on government to do everything for them and the observation that people shouldn’t be turned away from receiving care but instead, we should all take care of each other through churches and charities. I’m glad you posted the full transcript, Tommy, because the airhead who waxed idiotic about this just posted the video, but you can still see for yourself. As for the idiots who answered “yeah” to letting this hypothetical person die, not everyone in the Tea Party is a winner but on the same token, those losers don’t represent the whole of the Tea Party. Just like Al Sharpton with his Antisemitism doesn’t represent all African-Americans.

“Apparently, the supposed “pro-life” party is also rabidly pro-death.”

So you also agree that all of Islam are terrorists because the several million that are extreme. Correct? 

BWAHAHAHHAHHHAAHAHAHAHA!!!

Look at all you TeaBagger Cult members try to play this down!!!

This is Hilarious!!!

This is EXACTLY what you stand for!

The TeaBagger Death Cult!!!

This is BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!

The same guy would scold anyone for suggesting all of Islam is extreme, just because several million are terrorists. 

Oh here it is. If you want to know what the Republican Party represents in 2012, this is it, and to think I was on the fence about voting for Obama, not anymore. Thanks tea party crazies for switching my vote to Obama. I am sure he appreciates it.

This tells you all you need to know about teabaggers.

Seriously, THAT is your excuse?

Churches can’t help-they are too in debt with fancy buildings and pastoral staff taking up 70% of the operating budget.  I do agree with Paul that alternative medicines should be legitimized so people really can have a choice.  

Then tell us Barney, as a Tea Party member, what do you think should happen to the guy in the coma?

Take some personal responsibility and admit you’re a lying piece of crap.

Thirteen days since Michelle claimed “evidence” that the President Of The United States and The First Lady have a problem with white people.  Where’s the “evidence” Michelle?

Hey read the story of the patient that died in a UK hospital from lack of water and get back to me with the joys of socialized medicine.  Stay abroad if you want to live in a socialist utopia.

And a majority of American’s hate Obamacare and want it repealed.  Get used to it.

Compassionate conservatives. 

A couple of points…

I posted a comment the night of the debate following this asking when did a political debate become the Jerry Springer Show?  In it, I said this audience was conditioned on the opinion/news programming that has replaced our typical news casts. They didn’t come to be persuaded, they came to watch their side win and wallow in the intellectual destruction.  I would like to think that anyone out there would actually wish and take pleasure in a person dying due to lack of healthcare, but a large group think mentality is out there.  Things are bad out there economically and it seems to bring out the worst in people. Are you not entertained?

Number two… The night of the debate, this was a HUGE trending topic on twitter AND THIS SITE on the comment boards.  It started as soon as it happened and continued for hours afterwards.  Yet now, more then 12 hours later, it is getting a article on mediaite?  I like the site, but you think you maybe behind the curb on this?

Hypocritical seems to be pro-life and for the death penalty, hypocritical seems to be pro-life but anti-welfare, are you going to take care of all these unwanted children………..NO! But they will grow up unloved and abandoned turn into crack addicts then get your 14 year old daughter prego then murder you for crack money. big dummy!

and now we know what your priorities are.

welcome to the internet

You are one dumb tex.  Royal Dimwit, is that you?

‘Several million’ muslims are terrorists?  Where do you get your figure?  Seems dreadfully arbitrary and incredibly made up.

Wow, Tommy’s intentional misleading headline suggests that everyone in the audience was cheering…but of course, that was not the case.

If this happened in a Democratic debate we all know Tommy would be first in lie to offer excuses.

Tommy, you have ZERO credibility. You are a typical double standard hypocritical Liberal!! Pathetic!!

“While Rep. Paul mercifully declined to leave coma-guy to die, he is
simply suggesting a form of socialized medicine, only without the
guarantee. He places moral responsibility for coma guy on “our
neighbors, our friends, our churches,” which only differs from
socialized medicine in that it burdens churches (who don’t pay taxes).”

Wrong! Socialized medicine is coercive. We aren’t offered a chance to decide if we want to help the hypothetical coma victim. The state mandates we pay for his care. If “our
neighbors, our friends, our churches” pay for his care it is voluntary. For me being coerced instead of volunteering is a HUGE difference.

they also hate insurance companies

hahaha..ya, you were actually thinking about voting for someone besides your plastic messiah….we believe you wink wink

yeah, that’s REALLY common……

and besides, countries with socialized medicine have demonstrably better health
care outcomes than we do

So, Paul thinks it would be good for the healthcare system if we allowed anyone to practice medicine?

Quit lying coward, I see right wing nut jobs attack T.C. for everything he writes because you asswipes can’t handle the truth, and easily get your faux outrage tweaked.  Go back into hiding.

Thirteen days since Michelle claimed “evidence” that the President Of The United States and The First Lady have a problem with white people.  Where’s the “evidence” Michelle?

at least a few people yelled “let him die!” and others were noticeably encouraged by
them……

read the one about a mentally challenged woman in LA who went for a routine procedure at an ER and was discharged midway due to her lack of insurance.  They basically kicked her out wearing the gown.  It didn’t end well.

yeah, cuz it doesn’t have an affordable public option and is a huge giveaway
to private sector healthcare

good answer, haha!

That’s just pathetic man. I’ve seen people in deep, deep denial, but you’re pathological.

With the status quo, the simple REALITY is that the uninsured will be treated in emergency situations and you and I and everyone else who DOES have insurance will be pay for them in the form of higher premiums.

An indvidual mandate requires INDIVIDUAL responsibility.

You Teatards are too stupid to recognize our current broken system has more of a ‘socialized’ effect than Obama’s plan.

Or you are so cruel as to advocate that the uninsured are left to die in the streets.  (while you claim to be good christians)

With the complexity of modern medicine and associated costs, charities and churches and neighbors can no longer fill in the gaps.

As Cfl1012 noted earlier, you are stupid and/or cruel.

In any case you should be deeply ashamed.

That’s your response???

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!

Already answered you stalker boy. It’s not my fault you are illiterate. 

Ok lets review…

The two times in the past two debates that the crowd “popped,”  was when Gov Perry was about his 200+ executions and when a question was asked about a hypothetical, uninsured person in a coma. 

Any good PR firm will tell you that you have a bit of a problem.

Ever considered anger management courses?  I hear BFD still has a few seats available in his course. 

There are three kinds of people in the life boat: Those that want to pick up more survivors; those that want to not pick up surviors because they believe the boat is too full already; and a third group that will just go along with whoever looks stronger.

Nice try!!!

This is EXACTLY what the TeaBagger Death Cult stands for and you know it!!!

That is part of Dr. Paul’s point. Medical care is too expensive. Part of the reason is government intervention through licensing and other state mandated regulations on the medical industry. If the free market were to set medical prices it would be much lower and therefore more affordable for “our
neighbors, our friends, our churches” to voluntarily offer support.

Darla Loon, I’m more than willing to start up a fund to move you to one of those great socialized countries.  I have no doubt I’d get plenty of donors.

ps, found that evidence that most American’s agree with Krugman yet?

‘Hey read the story…’

…Of course. In the UK there is government (Paid for by everyone’s taxes) funded Healthcare for everyone, which is available should anyone fall ill or have an accident and a need it. There is also the option of Privately Funded Health Care should they want for the best available hospital care for those that can afford it.  That’s how they do things over there. They can be terribly polite like that.Why spend so much effort on the childish and meaningless points. …Grow up.

lol  at the excuse “it was only a couple of guys!” when obviously most of the teabaggers here agree with those “couple of guys”.

You scumbags need to just come out and admit the poor should die if they get sick.

You have no clue who I was going to vote for. I was an Obama voter who has been completely disappointed with him and was seriously considering changing my party affiliation from Independent to Republican and voting for Ron Paul in the Primary, my state is one of the first states to have one. But seeing these debates I wonder how in the hell I was considering that in the first place. I will vote the lesser of two evils in this election no doubt, Obama has been a huge disappointment but there is no way in hell I am voting for these Republicans. I can bet I am not the only one who was on the fence who has jumped back to voting for Obama.

Just curious is all, do you even know the make up of the Tea Party members?
Do you think it is made up of the extreme right?
I will be willing to bet you have no idea that many Democrats describe themselves as Tea Party members!!!

…Now you’re just being provocatively silly.

Correct indeed!

Got a link, I’d love to read the story.  But it doesn’t really matter, because I’m not against helping those like her.  We Conservatives were more than willing to help those like her. We didn’t need to overhaul the whole system, since a majority of American’s are happy with their coverage.  But the liberals, in their rush to take over the whole system insisted we scrub the whole system, rather then fix the problem of those who aren’t covered through no fault of their own. 

You mean I can’t barter a chicken for my next mammogram???

Dang!

Sigh.

If only we could go back to the ‘good ole days’….a chicken used to buy all the leeching you needed for a year from Ole Doc Brown!  Plus he’d throw in some cancer curing magic tonic for a couple of eggs!

Yeah, why can’t we just be for killing babies like your side? I mean obviously the compassionate people like Obama that want babies to die in trash cans if they live through a botched abortion should definitely be the kind of people we hold up as beacons of compassion.

WRONG!

Says the king of the scumbags.

If you’re stupid enough to go someone that didn’t go to medical school, pass a residency, and have a solid reputation in the community that would be your choice. The proliferation of malpractice suits is a proof that having a license doesn’t make you a good doctor.

These last couple of debates have been a gift to Obama’s reelection team. The sound of bloodthirsty audiences cheering executions and people dying for lack of insurance only reinforces the image of the GOP as a club for untamed trailer park goobers in tricorn hats. That’s not an image that’s going to play well in a general election.

Big Petty, it was like unto the time the Honorable Despicable, Loathsome and Crude Joe Wilson screamed out “You lie”. The context, tone, setting made it terribly noticeable. Now, I don’t mind if the only friends you have are the Krazed Krass Krud in the T-Partee, and I can understand your loyalty. After all, a dog will be loyal to his owner, even when the dog is repeatedly beaten, but just because we love you like our luggage doesn’t mean we appreciate your bringing your Krappy Kreepy Krackers into our cyber home.

I notice not even a word of condemnation for the Kranky Kreaky Kretins spewing forth their vile hatred. Wouldn’t even a beaten dog dribble something forth?

I saw a suggestion on another blog to start inundating Doctor Paul’s church with medical bills.

I like that idea.

I’m sure his church would appreciate the millions of referrals from the good doctor.

Michael Moore said Cuba has the best health care. Perhaps you should consider moving there.

I am an independent.  I am a practical person.  The money has dried up, there are more people who depend on the government and less people paying taxes.  I believe in personal responsibility and personal freedom.  You marry who you want to and you do what you want to with your body.  We need to respect each other and look at the economic problem facing this county…. where do we spend what limited monies our goverment has?  What are our priorities?  We have to scale back on the entitlement programs.  OK, so what is the prognosis for that guy in a coma?  REALLY?  Is there a 1 in a million chance he will recover?  How many tests to you run for how many months?  I believe that practicality is what is missing from our government and from medicne.  We have to get back to basics.  We have to quit aiding other countries, we have to secure our borders and take care of the people who are in this country now.  We need to put people to work!  Even those people who believe they are disabled can do something that can generate income.  It is not good for anyone to sit at home and it’s not good for the country.  Quit calling each other names and let’s get down to business.

Feeble, feeble, feeble. Your squirm like a worm.

And, you squeal like a stuck pig.

Letting the morally depraved teabaggers drag the GOP down into a deep hole would be great for America.

Ahh yes, the twisted liberal mind that can equate a half born baby to John Wayne Gacy.  Libtards never fail to amaze me with their outright stupidity.

The guy in the coma wasn’t poor.

Did Sarah Palin really go across to Canada to get some government run Healthcare treatment?

…Oh well.

One rule for you and one for me I suppose etc etc.

At least she can afford any Healthcare Plan she likes now of course.

You of all people lecturing on personal responsibility and accountability. They were cheering because they are bi-polar, alternating between coldness of heart at their good moments and sadism at their better moments. Give us a break.

I have never been a member of a political party. I’m an Independent. Always have been. You’re barking up the wrong tree looking for justification of your stupidity.

TeaBagger Death Cult members are just willful ignorants regardless of party.

Says the queen of the clueless.

Cheered?  I would call it vociferous loud no’s.  The audience knew the 30 year old made a decision: By the 2010 Corvette he really couldn’t afford and forget buying Health Insurance or by Health Insurance and drive a Ford Taurus.  He decided since girls really like the Corvette, he would go that route.

Michelle, I live in the UK and the patient dying from lack of water is a very rare occurrence. Stop being a xenophobe. 

Guess what? in the UK, healthcare is free and if you dont like free, there is private healthcare. best of both 

And, they should not count on a police escort for their funeral cortege. No money for that.

Calm down, dipshit. T.C. is mocked and laughed at. Nobody cares enough to “attack” the little fruitcake, because he’s not important. He’s a fucking pissant, like yourself.

OMG, now the teabaggers are claiming they were not the won cheering? Yeah right. The whole crowd is compose of them. You can abviously see that the crowd smiles and giggles when they hear those cheers. The teabaggers are embarrassed that this illustrates their true cold hearted nature. They should be ashamed of themselves for cheering for someone’s death.

Michelle-in-Utah is only pro-life up to the moment of crowning. Then, she wants everyone to suffer.

When’s the last time you went and paid the hospital bill of some asshole who couldn’t afford it and chose not to buy insurance?

If there were a “Liked Very Much” button, I would have clicked on it.

A healthy 30-year-old young man makes a good living but decides he is not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance BECAUSE I WANT THAT FANCY CAR AND APARTMENT MORE.  But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it…..SELL THE CAR.

Wrong! There’s a 4th kind, the one that assesses the situation and makes a decision based on what actions will save the most peoples lives. Ask anybody that’s been in combat if commanders have to make hard decisions of this nature. In your scenario (life boat) it would be foolish if the boat was overloaded to the point that everybody ends up in the water and dies. Thus the phrase “women and children first” is part of our culture as an acknowledgement that sometimes a few people may have to die in order for more to live.

I know exactly who disappointed Liberals
like you will vote for…and so does Obama.….that is why he doesn’t cave to
your demands….he already knows he has your vote!!!
He knows that the left is saying they are going to defect to try to get him to
change but he is smarter than you and knows you are not going anywhere!!

Exactly.  He wanted the HOT CAR so he passed on the insurance.

More Conservative Victimization Syndrome. Screaming forth “Personal Responsibility” on one post and decrying her victimization on the next one. Amazing!

If someone like Rush Limbaugh gets busted for drugs, that personal responsibility stuff gets thrown out the window by conservatives. Suddenly, “lock them all up” becomes ‘he needs your sympathy and prayers.”

What exactly are your priorities? I mean besides sitting in judgement of other people for what you think theirs should be?

I haven’t seen any evidence.  And if you made such and ignorant claim I sure would like to see you back it up sister!

Since you fell for the ridiculous notion that Obama wanted itty bitty widdle babies to be left to die after surviving abortions, who knows what other nonsense you believe.

Here’s a tip sweetheart:

Don’t believe everything on the internet.

Do a little research.  It was illegal to fail to provide medical assistance to a fetus that survived an abortion atttempt BEFORE Obama voted against the redundant and poorly written bill to which you refer and it continues to be illegal.

Do you ever get embarrassed being such a sucker?

Give us a break….from you.

If the 30 year old guy in a coma chose to not get the mandated healthcare required by Obamacare and instead chose to just pay the fine, who should pay then?

I am a progressive. not a liberal.  I am for Unions and the working people.  I believe that no one’s right to profit is no more than anyone’s right to health care.  I am for societies responsibility for decent old age.  I am for the society taking care of those that can not.  I am for collective action to compete with the collectivist China.

The future is defined by ideas today.  The political elites and the reactionaries  (not conservatives), Democrats and Republicans alike, are using old ideas that the founding fathers would laugh at because nothing is forever.  Including the God and his family you pray to (look at the world religions and the dynamic from Judaism to Catholicism/Orthodox Greek and Russian) to Islam  and so on.  Including the Constitution you all defer to – it is an old document subject to revisions. It is not sacrosanct.  Neither is capitalism we practice.

We the people want things changed,  Not the way you want to deprive us of what we have won

Truth is fact multiplied by faith. Your truths are evil and individualistic.  The country you want America to become is not yours.  We will fight for it.  We will not let you take away what our great-grandfathers earned in a deadly fight with the then plutocrats and oligarchs. You will lose because you represent the return to the past, because you represent old ideas, because you accept the worst in man as part of his  animalistic nature, because you are individuals not capable to see beyond the Golden Calf and his servants.

Go Unions, warts and all – the only institution that was the source of resilience, a fighting spirit, solidarity and past victories!  

Unions – the old institution of this republic that will be the fertile ground of future victories! 

You all are envious and hateful of those who have social protection and rights to collective negotiations.

May you all rot in hell, Christian, atheist, secular or otherwise!

She’s probably hiding her evidence with Donald Trump’s tax returns. Don’t worry, though. His Super Secret Hawaiian Birther Task Force investigators will produce all of it … as soon as the go to a few more luaus, that is.

On the contrary, I wear it as a badge of honor.

Indeed, we have elderly people dying of neglect and even abuse in care facilities. Not often, but enough to be shameful and worrisome. But, that’s fine because ours is private system, regulated by the market. These people should consider their suffering and even death a blessing, shouldn’t they?

Democrats are compassionate and want to help people in comas.  Unless their name is Terri Schiavo…who had the bad luck to be a real person and not a hypothetical example.

Palin’s parents did when she was a small child because they were closer to a canadian doctor than a us doctor.  That was before the candian health care plan so they had to pay the doctor.

I can’t tell you how reassuring it is to find out we are on different continents. 

But they would still be free to decide for themselves if they could help the people. I’ve been on the board of a church and we helped people that needed help for medical bills, paying rent, food and other things. But we did so voluntarily.

lectures on personal responsibility from the folks who want us to believe the tea party audience members in the clip are liberals.

Yes, it is amusing to a point, but it is terribly worrisome we have these people in our midst. It makes me feel very unsafe.

Except that when you ask people about individual parts of “Obamacare” they’re actually in support. It’s only the label they don’t like. When you explain what the program really is about — and not the contrived Sarah Palin version — it’s overwhelmingly popular.

Wolf forgot to tell the audience the guy passed on health insurance because along with a car payment for that $50,000 car and his beach side apartment rent, he just couldn’t afford the health insurance..

I think you mean Queen .
BFD’s partner Robert thinks he’s the King .

Much was revealed last night, wasn’t it? Much. Much about Tollbooth Perry, but also much about the contagion that is the T-Partee.

Margret Thatcher, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, once said
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other
people’s money.”

Amen!

Darn hard to afford health insurance when you are paying for ski trips to Afton, two weeks in Bermuda skin diving, mountain climbing in the Fall, and saving up for enough for a down payment on that Sports Car. 

Robert is religious .

You can yell wrong all you want sweetie, but there were many polls that that show a large part of the dissatisfaction with Obama’s plan is that it didn’t go far enough and did not include a public option…

Your teabagger shriek of outrage doesn’t change that fact.

What do crazy right wing loons want?

- Kill people in the name of justice.

- Let people die who are sick and aren´t covered.

- Reduce women to birth machines.

- Shut down PP and prevent any help/education on the subject of birth control.

- Prevent that corporations and  the wealthy pay taxes.

- Teach creationism.

- Replace public schools with home schooling and/or charter schools

- Dissolve and destroy unions.

- Oppose same rights for people with different sexual orientation.

- Do away with the separation of church and state.

- Allow environment pollution as much as possible.

- Let the infrastructure deteriorate.

- Make is as hard as possible to vote and engage in voter caging.

Accurate explanation for their motifs can be found here:

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

Half the audience was from CNN and the other half was from the Tea Party. Could it have been 2 Ron Paul supporters? Sure. It just as easily could have been 2 people from the other side being a smart asses. Either way it is a 50/50 chance unless we know who exactly did it.

When liberals rule:

From the Court of Queen’s Bench (the appellate court) in Alberta:
The
Wetaskiwin, Alta., woman convicted of infanticide for killing her
newborn son, was given a three-year suspended sentence Friday by an
Edmonton Court of Queen’s Bench judge.Katrina Effert was 19 on
April 13, 2005, when she secretly gave birth in her parents’ home,
strangled the baby boy with her underwear and threw the body over a
fence into a neighbour’s yard…Effert will have to abide by
conditions for the next three years but she won’t spend time behind bars
for strangling her newborn son.
Indeed. As Judge Joanne Veit puts it:
“While
many Canadians undoubtedly view abortion as a less than ideal solution
to unprotected sex and unwanted pregnancy, they generally understand,
accept and sympathize with the onerous demands pregnancy and childbirth
exact from mothers, especially mothers without support,” she writes…
“Naturally, Canadians are grieved by an infant’s death, especially at
the hands of the infant’s mother, but Canadians also grieve for the mother.”
Gotcha.
So a superior court judge in a relatively civilized jurisdiction is
happy to extend the principles underlying legalized abortion in order to
mitigate the killing of a legal person – that’s to say, someone who has
managed to make it to the post-fetus stage…

Not to mention paying off lawsuits against pedophile priests….

Amazing.  A good friend of mine’s daughter refuses to buy health insurance.  She claims if her Dad and Mom “loved her” they would add her on to their policy until she is 26 and then pay the premiums when she is past that age.

How wildly clever of you. What’s your next trick? Dissolving sugar in liquid? Gargling? 

And, she proves my point. Too easy!

Are you assuming people are willfully irresponsible or are they holes for for not being able to afford it?

I’ve paid for members of my family who couldn’t afford the insurance, insurance costs for which Insurance Companies are literally making a killing.

The system needed coverage for the people who were struggling with the cost factor issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I certainly wouldn’t leave my family out in the street.

Life Lies 
– Barack Obama and Born-Alive.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/225344/life-lies/david-freddoso

Do you ever get embarrassed being such a sucker?

left wing propaganda link.

Hes not indigent…in this hypothetical scenario he ”makes a good living” remember?
 
Therefore he’s going to get stuck with the bill because he chose to gamble by not having insurance.
 
According to the Dana Foundation, about 2000 people a year in the US slip into “persistent vegetative states” which is the scenario Wolf Blizer is playing out.
 
2000 people out of 30,000,000 is the equivalent of saying this has a .0006% chance of happening to anyone…therefore its incredibly unlikely, incredibly rare, and so in these cases it isnt unusual for there to be fundraisers or churches helping out- and to call charities “socialized medicine” as Tommy does here is beyond absurd.
 
But just because Ron Paul has some of the most raucous supporters, dont make the mistake in thinking that he is speaking for the tea party. There is a reason why he’s like 5th in the polls..its because his support is fringe.
 
Nice try though.
 
And since I answered your question, you answer mine…a 15 year old girl walks into an abortion clinic and says she wants an abortion but cant pay for it and doesnt want to tell her parents. What do you do?

Be careful here- your answer might stigmatize you as “pro-death.”

Robert is a man’s man , and I mean that sincerely .

So you admit you have no idea wtf you are saying……that is why we ended up with the least experienced person ever in the WH…Are you proud of your ignorance?

Ohhh, I am an Independent too but that doesn’t get in my way of learning the make up of the Tea Party…..Your label may be Independent but you vote strictly party lines…trust me..I know!!

Today’s politics are a “gotcha” sport.  The fact of the matter is that the hypothetical guy took an ill-advised risk and the moderator is asking who takes responsibility for the consequence of that.  Any answer other than “the guy who took the risk” is being derided…

What about:  older people who didn’t save for retirement; younger people who spent their money on a car rather than college tuition; this same hypothetical guy, who is in a car accident because he drove after drinking to excess;…; what about the guy who “chooses” to not pay taxes? Where does society’s obligation to take care of irresponsibility end?

As for Tommy Christopher–his lead in comment is an embarassment.  The party that is “pro-life” isn’t pro-death.  In this hypothetical case, the person who is dying made the decision that led to the outcome.  Similarly to the criminal who dies via the death penalty.  Or is Tommy saying “both parties are pro-death”?

Stick it in your handbag , Ethel .

Uhhh, I’ve visited plenty of “cities”. I was born in the 2nd largest city in the country, and I fail to understand what the fuck that has to do with this topic. Visiting Los Angeles once a year does nothing to make me want to contribute to your hive minded collectivist asshattery, and actually makes me more bitter towards Democrats for what they’ve turned the country into.  

As for the people in the crowd who cheered, maybe they’re just bigger fans of Darwin than you liberals always claim to be.

Hey sucker.

I got some great swamp land in florida to sell ya!  Got lots o’oil!  Drill Baby Drill!

Obama didn’t want to leave itty bitty widdle babies in trash cans. …wah wah wah! 

You and Michelle need to team up as study partners and do a little research. 

Morons.

Robert knows feeble .

There’s a raft with your name on it in Key West. If you start paddling tonight, you can reach Cuba by Saturday.  Enjoy, Comrade

Tea Party members are animals, savages.

ProObama Agenda and Robert are colleagues , and Robert is not the smart one .

So pot, I think you telling me (the kettle) that I am black? Because I am sure you have never made such comments. However, I am sure you are more disappointed in me then you are the people who stood in judgement of that poor hypothetical man in a coma.

Robert is a kindly old son of a bitch .

COMMUNIST = you

spot on.

It was a parable. And, like a good parable, it has taught us much.

If it were the Parable of the Good Samaritan, no doubt the T-Partee people passing en route to Jericho would have bested even the priest and the Levite and scorned, mocked, reviled and kicked the unfortunate man in the ditch, at long last screaming “You Die!” as they scurried onward.

Robert also amazed by shiny objects .

Seriously, why the fuck are you still here?  Go to one of these socialist utopias you keep talking about and stop fucking up my country with your liberal bullshit. I fucking hate you people with a passion, the author of this shitty piece included.

Whoa… does this frighten any other American? First, where in hell can you get health insurance for $300/month?! Second, Ron Paul stood up for his beliefs, and his career, yet there were many in the audience who were openly happy about the thought of a young person dying! Is this the America the Tea Party wants?!

Pay for a comatose 30 year old who didn’t buy insurance?  Why is his life more valuable than 50 MILLION babies the left killed in the womb?

What was it two people making ‘wooting’ sounds? The media will try to sensationalize everything. Don’t you want to talk about Romney and Perry some more? Fantasize about stroking them off?

Couldn´t care less if you are too lazy to read the article or too stupid too understand it.

Yes because the government should stay out of medical matters of the individual.  What right is it of the government to tell you how to live your life?  What right is it of the government to tell you how to take care of your brain damaged wife?  What right is it of the government to tell doctors how to administer care?

Unless your name is Terri Schiavo…

Side note, it was the insurance companies who told Mr Schiavo the options for end of life care and persuaded him to do it because there is no profit in administrating care for those who won’t get better.  Death panels indeed.

Just saying…

Imagine how bad Robert would be if he wasn’t so religious .

 Only if the young person is a liberal.

Who do you think you’re fooling with this shit, kiddo?

Everyone knows you’re a moonbat.  If you were unhappy with Obama, it was only b/c he hasn’t been enough of a socialist. If you were truly thinking of voting Republican b/c Obama’s supposedly not liberal enough for you, you’re either extremely confused or you have zero principles to speak of.

I fear it is. It is not an America I even recognize. It is a mean, ugly place.

I don’t have a direct link, but it happened in LA about 7-8 years ago. I will work on getting one. Apparently that crowd of conservatives were not as compassionate as you. The fact of the matter is that health care doesn’t need an overhaul, but the payment industry does. It is broken and doesn’t work. I am as much of a free market guy as the next, but putting profits over the best interest of peoples lives is wrong. It’s funny that this country guarantees you a lawyer, but you are on your own if you get sick.

Robert answering questionaire :

        What are you looking for ?

          A. Men
          B. Women

Margret Thatcher, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, once said 
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other 
people’s money.”
She should have reminded herself of this moot point before she decided to empty Britain’s coffers to fight an extremely expensive war paid for by the Great British public.

Keep telling yourself that.  I’m not surprised it’s easier to call us liars than admit you worship someone with that position. 

Is it possible that the teabaggers are really undercover operatives for Obama working for his reelection….????

That would be like SOOOOOO Saul Alinkyish!

I bet Ole Saul and Lucifer are chuckling it up down there!  If Saul REALLY is dead…have we seen a death certificate???????

Robert’s state keeps electing Tollbooth .

You understand that 99% of the people in that building sat on their hands during that entire segment, right? There’s were probably 4 or 5 PaulBots, who probably got drunk while tailgating before the thing started, who yelled something that neither you, nor the retard who wrote this article, know the meaning of.

last I checked France wasn’t in the Caribbean.  Public schooling at work people.

you really shouldn’t sit in judgement of people.

BFD will protect you . He has an icepick up his sleeve .

BFD will protect you . He has an icepick up his sleeve .

Flashback 2007: Tim Russert and Chris Matthews Agree Social Security Is ‘A Bad Ponzi Scheme’Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/09/13/flashback-2007-tim-russert-and-chris-matthews-agree-social-security-b#ixzz1Xrh3J1zX

I am with the republiucans.  Lets remove the laws for car insurance.  I’d love to see how few luxury cars are sold after that…

Apparently Sara took you up on that

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/03/09/palin-notes-irony-of-using-canadian-healthcare

The 30 year old should have sold the Corvette and bought health insurance.

The 30 year old should have sold the Corvette and bought health insurance.

Bwahahaha

Just compare Tommy’s take on the tea party to his take on Krugman or Obama or anyone liberal – for the libs he always gives them the benefit of the doubt, but for the conservatives – nope, he always thinks the worst and then pretends it to be so.

honestly, laughable stuff.

Still nothing on Soylandra, the connection and quid pro-quo between CEO and Oama, money for one, money for the other.  Nope, that level of collusion and potential criminal behavior and cronyism is ignored here.

Good one Dan, you have instructed the mediaite staff well…stay away from anything that might implicate Obama but attack the tea party and all things conservative.

bow it out your arse commie nut bag.

National Review?  LOL!  There’s one born every minute….AND OBAMA TRIES SNUFF OUT ITS LIFE AND THROW IT IN THE TRASH…LOL!

Try the Chicago Tribune, sucker, which is not know for being liberal:

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/01/from-the-archiv.html

Give all of us living in reality and possessing 3-digit IQs a break, please.

I’ve showed this to over 20 people who did not watch and don’t pay attention to politics beyond a surface level. No strong bias for left/right, no ulterior motives.

After watching, I’ve asked them this question: What happened after the host asked if the man should just be allowed to die?

Every response was, “The audience cheered loudly.” I then asked, “How many in the audience reacted that way?” Every response has been, “the entire audience”.

Cons can’t spin this with their propaganda machine or favorite “liberal plants” BS. Their true nature- not the horrific, uninformed, unqualified candidates… But the true nature of the Conservative/Teabagger crowd was displayed. It spoke clearly: No care whatsoever for fellow Americans if you want to take a dime from me.

Message received. Conservatives are enemies within our own nation, not fellow countrymen who care about your well being. The only care in their dark, vile, anti-American values lumps of charred carbon that would be hearts is moneymoneymoneymoney.

My favorite thing now is to explain the fact that money is an artifical construct unnecessary for a society to function better than our miserably broken existing death and despair corporate oligarchy.

That whole sequence last night says all u need to know about the Tea Baggers THEY ARE LOONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually I think most Conservatives agree with my position.  No one is saying we shouldn’t provide for those who CAN’T do for themselves, we just don’t think we should do for those who are perfectly capable but unwilling to do for themselves.  It’s just easier for liberals to say we want people to die than have an honest conversation about it. 

Yes, it’s all licensing and regulations.

Take those away, and adjust for inflation, and the cost of three leeches is EXACTLY the same as the cost of R & D, construction, implementation, etc…etc…etc… of a CAT SCAN…

Plus without regulation maybe we’d go back to the good ole days of tonics consisting mostly of opium…

Sure, it won’t cure the cancer, but it will make ya feel a helluva lot better than chemo!!

Gawd, you people are stoopid!

They don’t care enough to be honest.  They just throw crap against the wall and hope it sticks. 

If there was a bj button you would have clicked it…

There, fixed it for you!!

Give all of us living in reality and possessing 3-digit IQs a break, please.

I’ve showed this to over 20 people who did not watch and don’t pay attention to politics beyond a surface level. No strong bias for left/right, no ulterior motives.

After watching, I’ve asked them this question: What happened after the host asked if the man should just be allowed to die?

Every response was, “The audience cheered loudly.” I then asked, “How many in the audience reacted that way?” Every response has been, “the entire audience”.

Cons can’t spin this with their propaganda machine or favorite “liberal plants” BS. Their true nature- not the horrific, uninformed, unqualified candidates… But the true nature of the Conservative/Teabagger crowd was displayed. It spoke clearly: No care whatsoever for fellow Americans if you want to take a dime from me.

Message received. Conservatives are enemies within our own nation, not fellow countrymen who care about your well being. The only care in their dark, vile, anti-American values lumps of charred carbon that would be hearts is moneymoneymoneymoney.

Wow, it’s true what they say, being prone to delusions is a key component of liberalism. 

Actually I like these people and they are MORE than welcome in MY country.

You not so much.

My priorities are liberty and individual responsibility.  

Your priorities are “collectivizing the mistakes of the reckless”.

Life, the harder you live it, can be dangerous. 

Whereas, other people lead a simpler and less dangerous life.

Why should the man who lives irresponsibly be bailed out (stolen money) 

by people who live a more responsible and less dangerous life?

Just what are YOUR PRIORITIES that lead you to such a dumb f conclusion?

Intentional theft is unquestionably wrong.  Period.  

There’s a clear aggressor and it’s those who want the gov’t to engage in theft on their behalf.

Whereas accidents are ACCIDENTS to be blamed on nobody.

I’ll continue to challenge you and your kind on your illogical thinking.

Your kind of thinking has led us where we are today.

My priorities are liberty and individual responsibility.  

Your priorities are “collectivizing the mistakes of the reckless”.

Life, the harder you live it, can be dangerous. 

Whereas, other people lead a simpler and less dangerous life.

Why should the man who lives irresponsibly be bailed out (stolen money) 

by people who live a more responsible and less dangerous life?

Just what are YOUR PRIORITIES that lead you to such a dumb f conclusion?

Intentional theft is unquestionably wrong.  Period.  

There’s a clear aggressor and it’s those who want the gov’t to engage in theft on their behalf.

Whereas accidents are ACCIDENTS to be blamed on nobody.

I’ll continue to challenge you and your kind on your illogical thinking.

Your kind of thinking has led us where we are today.

Who’s the “they” that says that, Michelle? The voices in your head?

That’s in your mirror , Robert .

You can clearly hear two guys yell, one yells yeah and the other yells yes. That’s not exactly a crowd.
And you’ve “showed” the clip to over 20 people? What, are you standing in the mall with a laptop? As Joe Wilson so aptly said “You LIe”

I agree…the notion that it was a liberal is absurd.

Its easy to figure who it was…it was a nutty Ron Paul supporter, which is NOT the same as a republican or a conservative.

Ron Paul is the Ralph Nader of republicans…you remember him right? Hes the guy who cost Al Gore the 2000 election. Ralph Nader is the reason why there was a President George W Bush…

(LOL sorry I cant help but enjoy bringing that fact up: it was the fringe left not voting for Gore that cost him the election…LOL, good times.)

So keep that in mind before you lump Ron Paul supporters in with everyone else.

Like the 24 year old father who died from a tooth infection in our 37th place health system.

Vile.

Michelle thinks Obama voted to allow docs to leave itty bitty babies to die all alone in a linen closet (an obvious lie)…

I wonder if she’d be surprised that Bush signed a bill as governor that allowed hospitals to take patients off a life support against parents wishes if they did not have insurance…

An ACTUAL itty bitty baby did die despite the mothers pleas for more time….

But they were poor….and black….so I guess that doesn’t offend the conservative “pro-life” sensibilities….

Thank you – Every frickin NOW rally or Planned Parenthood Rally has tens of thousands of women cheering about sucking a baby’s brain out of their skull and killing it. How is that that a 30 year old WHO EXERCISED HIS RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS BODY is more valuable than that of a baby who has NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER? You libs make me wanna puke! if its your choice and your body – then you should use YOUR money to pay for what it is you need.

No hospital will deny you treatment – rest assured the 30 year old who would rather buy the hot sports car or latest iphone will get his treatment – he’ll just get billed in the end for it. Now whether or not he pays the bill remains to be seen.

Stop with the conservative this and liberal that, people are people not ideologies. Having said that, its not about covering the uninsured. That is a big part of it, but its mostly about cost and applying treatment. For example, did you know that no insurance (not government, not cushy union backed insurance, not any one) will cover Alzheimer’s? There are law firms based around that fact. Doesn’t that bother you? It is this days leprosy, where people cast them out. Take the case of Terry Schiavo. That was a case of the insurance company wanting to stop care and persuading the husband to do it. That’s kind of a death panel. Who do we want to protect more? Shareholders or those who may suffer or die? That’s the debate we should be having.

That was a very deceptive headline, not descriptive of what really happened. It’s just that sort of thing that muddy up politics. You can hate the Tea Party honestly. This was shameful.
One more embarrassment for Mediaite.

Dang right…….and now let’s stop murdering babies in the womb…. oh, that’s different…..

SCUM BAG

Yet you degenerate libs cheer on Obama in his systematic murdering of ” real ” America and in turn ” real ” Americans. 

If he were somehow successful, he’s not going to be, who’s going to pay for you morons to live your meager crap filled pants existence……the Obama regime? 

If the left wing zealots even had one brain between them, they’d be dangerous…..but they don’t so they are not. 

They are however annoying as all get out.

50 MILLION babies murdered in the womb in just 60 years.  Who are the loons?

I need to post this for you AGAIN sucker?  You baggers do have dense skulls donchya?

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/01/from-the-archiv.html

BTW, why did YOU vote for a man who signed a bill that allowed hospitals to take children off of life support if they didn’t have any insurance?

Huh?  Huh?  Huh?!

Does your ‘pro-life’ compassion not cover poor black babies????

The real problem is that, after 50 MILLION babies have been murdered in the womb, the left still thinks that isn’t enough.

Evolution teaches us that all humans are…

Or is the point that liberals are inhuman?

Paul answered “no,” but several in the crowd hooted “Yeah!” to a smattering of laughter:When does several and a smattering mean the entire group or even a significant portion of the group?

Having a license doesn’t make you a good doctor but it most certainly ensures that the doctor went to medical school and completed their residency, which means that they’ll have a sufficient education in biology and medical science as well as experience in treating patients with treatments based on medical science.  That’s far better than anything alternative providers can claim.

50 MILLION babies murdered in their mother’s womb and liberals cheer the abortionists on every day.

A 30 year old guy makes a decision to buy a hot girl catching sports car instead of health insurance and the left is offended that the right thinks he very well probably deserves what happens.

They say  7% of Islam is extreme and that makes like several million. 

and we would know their qualifications without the presense of regulation exactly how….?

or should we have enough gumption and ‘personal responsibility’ to thoroughly vet their record in the midst of a life threatening injury…

Or do the free market magical fairies keep a watch out for quacks and frauds?

How so? ITs ok for Tommy and the left to accuse all of the tea party because of some applause, but we cant use the same standard for Muslims? 

Continue to alienate swing voters at your own peril.

So he didn’t have health insurance?  Big deal. 

In 5 years Obamacare would have told him he was sh_ t out of luck anyway.

I have a story for ya: many years ago, a 6 year old girl kept getting ear infections to the point where her dr said it was time for Eustachian tubes to drain the ear.  Approval for claim was filed…insurance company sat on it and sat. Her mother contacted the insurance company three times before she she was finally able to find out what was going on.  Insurance company declined to cover it because they decided it wasn’t necessary. A dispute letter was written by the girl’s mom and finally, after 4 months, they agreed to cover it.  How’s the girl doing?  She’s now 19, has had to turn her head to the right so she can hear the TV equally on both sides ever since then and she will likely require a hearing aid sometime soon, but otherwise, my step-daughter’s doing Jim-dandy.

Insurance company?  United Health Care.

At that time I had dual citizenship in the US and Sweden…had I been married to her mother when this was going on, we could have taken her to Sweden and have her admitted to have the work done within two days of arrival. 

Point is, it’s really easy to pick out specific accounts to suit one’s own argument.

If the free healthcare is so great there, then why is there the need for private insurance?
 
Im not being sarcastic…Im legitimately wondering…isnt being able to buy private coverage an indictment on the free services?
 
In other words…if I am giving something away, but people who can afford it would rather pay to have something else, what does that say about my product?

My illogical thinking comes from Matthew 5,6, & 7. My priorities state that I try (not always successful) to do the most for those with the least. I have been poor and have worked my way out of it. Yet, it gives me no right to be stingy or selfish.

Remove the religious connotation and you can see we are a social species. From the structure of our families up to levels of government and corporate structures, we are instinctively prone to taking care of others. The self serving survival technique is not mammalian, but reptilian.

However, you have aright to your beliefs, but I don’t hear this vitriol when discussing Wall Street, Banks, or the liberation of countries under dictators. I am sure you are just as opposed to bailing out those who made bad investments, bad loans, bad labor deals, or cannot organize a revolution for themselves. Life is hard and dangerous right? Why do I have to pay for that?

Why don´t you continue to post as Lemonlimey? LMAO.

Um, in five years he will be required to have health insurance because of the ACA.  

Remember that whole “individual mandate” that you Republicans came up with and then disavowed the second it was promoted by a Democratic president?

Who are ‘they’?  Who says that it’s ’7%’.

Every Planned Parenthood Rally has tens of thousands of women cheering about sucking a baby’s brain out of their skull and killing it. 
How is that that a 30 year old WHO EXERCISED HIS RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS BODY is more valuable than that of a baby who has NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER?

 I swear after reading through these comments here you right wingers live isn some kind of fantasy land. Do you actually exist in this country and live in the real world? I just cant believe what I am reading here. The only explanation is that you don’t actually live in this country. 

Just more proof that conservatives love you until you are born, at which point you should kindly suffer through any and every injustice to come your way.

I think the cheering was louder when Maxine wanted to send all the Tea Party to hell.

Love laughing at these articles that love to paint with a broad brush. So 3 or 4 people in the audience speak for not only the whole crowd the entire Republican party. This is weak and typical of awful writers who are only lead by their bias and hate. Can’t defend this President have to attack.

He is 35 years old and in a COMA for God’s sake.   Obamacare resource allocation boards will determine his life is not worth investing in since he has little to no probability of having a productive (WORK AND PAY TAXES) life.

So what?  In just 5 years, and he is 35 years old and in a COMA Obamacare resource allocation boards will determine his life is not worth investing in since he has little to no probability of having a productive (i.e. WORK AND PAY TAXES) life so his plug is pulled.

Because a baby doesn’t exist until it is born, prior to which point it is a morula (bundle of cells), blastula (a hollow bundle of cells), embryo, and fetus. Once it is born, it is a baby.

That baby, btw, is only guaranteed hospital care and health insurance as a result of the efforts of the liberal community.

Yeah. It is repugnant that three people are cheering. But some libertarians misunderstand the concept of generosity and how a libertarian should deal with it.

I say anyone willing to roll the dice with their lives should be allowed to crap out.  Fools water down the gene pool.  If people don’t have the good sense to pay for coverage that would prolong their lives, do we really want them to impede evolution?

Hey FatAss, your choice to live a gluttonous life style will likely increase MY premiums.

Oh, and BTW, stay off of MY interstate highways, and don’t think of calling MY police or fire department when your grease soaked black heart gives out.

Yes.  we love those 50 MILLION defenseless babies killed in the womb and we also believe this 30 year old should have sold his hot sports car and bought health insurance.

Move back to CUBA you communist slob.

Who ever said he had a Corvette?  For most people whose jobs do not provide health insurance, it is utterly unaffordable.

There were three people cheering and some libertarians have actually misunderstood the concept of charity…

They live in a con bubble of delusions. Sad, really.

Conservatives need to stop defending every thing a Republican/libertarian/other conservatives do!

Lol, spot on.

Tommy “This bloodthirsty vibe that’s running through these debates”..

Really? Bloodthirsty? 

Come on.

If you want to help people in need then by all means - 

GIVE, and don’t ADVOCATE FOR THEFT.

And Ron Paul supporters do not support the bailing out of banks!

That’s his entire concept of liberty – Everyone, including businesses

Survives or Fails on THEIR OWN.  

And if anyone wants to HELP THOSE FAILING then they do it

according to YOUR OWN CHOICE.

NO FORCE.

NO THEFT.

VERSUS.

VOLUNTARY.

FREE WILL.

The Use of force, even with good intentions, is still tyranny.

Really?? So you think that there were Democrats at a Tea Party Republican debate? Cmon thats just lame…
It clearly was a black eye for the Tea Party and for mankind in general..
Im sure it was a good Christian too..Who knows nothing of the love and compassion that Jesus had spoken of..
Just sickening!!

I think they cheered louder when Hoffa said “let’s take the Tea Party out”.

You’re avatar is waaaaay off.

If my being fat will increase your premiums, 

Maybe THAT’S WHY WE SHOULD NOT HAVE SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE?

Thanks for proving the point.

I’m really not sure where you’re getting this sports car B.S.  

American wages have been utterly stagnant now for almost 40 years, while healthcare costs have skyrocketed 8 nearly times over since 1980, along with the costs of everything else (food, education, transportation) rising exponentially.  Moreover, the percentage of employers offering health insurance has decreased dramatically.

It’s simple math, friend.  The average American worker simply has no way to secure health insurance anymore.  Punish him with death for that if you will, but stop with the B.S., and for the love of God, leave abortion out of it. Since when do two wrongs make a right?

There are more than enough comments on this thread to show that the sentiment is FAR from uncommon in teabagger land.

Did you read my link from the (conservative) Chicago Tribue sweetie?  Aren’t you embarrassed? 

As a compassionate prolifer, to you agree with Bush’s texas bill to pull the cord if there’s no insurance?

Hmmm?

Or are there limits to your wholesome pro-life goodness?

Did I finally get Michelle, our belle, to finally STFU?????

I’m a newbie around here, but I’m sensing that might be coup!  Kudos for moi!

 I defended this country in war Struck I hope you can say the same.

Really?  We’re still on the thoroughly-debunked death panel bit?   

And are you really arguing that, on the one hand, we should just let people die, and that, on the other hand, the evil of Obamacare is that it will just let people die?  Do you even stop to think before posting?

Enjoy your alternate reality.

Tommy, Tommy.. what a dishonest little person. Doesn’t really matter, and I’ll just say to other conservatives who may be here that there’s no point in arguing something that has a false premise to begin with. Tommy and people like him are desperate, they’ll lie and there’s no depth they won’t stoop to as they try to keep their dreams of communism alive. Just be watchful, and by no means allow them to violate The Constitution as they intend to next fall. You all know what to do with people like that when they do. :)

are you being serious?

We are responsible!!!!
We are taxed to death, every hamburger I buy pays for my healthcare…..WHAT IS WRONG WITH EVERYBODY?
You dont pay taxes?…. dont you buy cars, homes,, clothes, food even the air we breath is taxed.
I would leave all the politicians from the white house on the side of the road  (meaning stop paying them).
What do you need my extra 200 dollars for on top of all this?
You politicians are fleecing this country to death everywhere I go taxes, taxes and more taxes……Sheriff of Nottingham would be proud if he would have our politicians working for him.
Healthcare or healthy working bees benefit the hive …..unless greed wants us to die out befor we reach retirement then vaccinate us with diseases and dont give us any healthcare, so just keep up the good job on Robin the Hood of USA.

So i assume you do give and help others, by your own free will right?

Because a baby doesn’t exist until it is born,

Um what!! Have you ever had a child and an ultrasound?  I could clearly make out my sons face in the womb.  It’s just easier for you to say it’s not a child you are murdering, I guess.  I mean if you admit it’s a child and still think it’s ok to kill it, that would make you a monster. 

If liberals knew the man in a coma was a registered republican they would have cheered and praised their non-offensive, interfaith, unisex god that never lets anyone die.

Liberal talking point.  Yawn. 

LIke hell you did.

cyber stalking is really weird

The accusation in the headline was the important thing to him. The headline will be read first and conclusions drawn from that alone, regardless of the facts. That’s pretty dishonest.

Don’t tell me you have a problem with evolution.

Don’t tell me you have a problem with evolution.

So you are the second guy to reply and you have in common with the other guy you can´t dispute what crazy loons want.

Trust me, not only the Conservatives here but anyone with any intellect knows that Tiny Tommy tries to over sensationalize and construe his little news assessments to fit his Liberal agenda.

You do know these panels do exist and they are used by insurance companies.  So its ok if a private company does it?

BlowHard, Why would you assume that?

I’m not the one preaching that we need to help those in need.

You are.

But, yes, when I can I have given to people on the street.

But as of late, it’s tougher because of this OBAMA ECONOMY.

I am about to start telling people I can’t give anymore because 

I can’t afford to help the poor because of the stupid income tax.

I’m self-employed so I have to actually save up and pay in at the end of the year.

So if something goes wrong I’ll be tax debt.  

If I commit suicide because of my tax debt.

Should I then be bailed out?  Haha.

What a ridiculous game.

Let’s see just how far we can push the responsibility around.

Can´t expect someone still in anal stage to understand the article.

Most commanders I know, will load the boat to maximum capacity. Of course my analogy was indeed simplistic because it also did not include those one or two people who are going to be complaining about whatever decision is reached. And to be sure, there is nothing wrong with a little complaining to keep things honest.

Blitzer’s theoretical patient CHOSE not to have insurance. Why should someone else pay for his bad choices?

 3rd infantry  division 3rd brigade 1991 Iraq. 11 Mike( Bradley crewmember). Now im a cop. And I defend the constitution on a daily basis. And you right wing nutters scare the hell out of me.

why not?

why not?

Actually, I just think you are a moron not worth my time.

Is it ugly enough for you to leave and go to France?

If a republican knew it was a person named Muhammad, they’d not only let ‘em die, but they’d make sure of it.  This country is no place for Terrorist Islamic Mohammads

How many of the willingly uninsured do you think have cell phones, big screen tv’s, cable, etc?  It’s about priorities.

blah blah blah

fetuses…zygots…abortion…blah blah…angry CAPS!

You’re so tiring.

No one cares.  If you’re pro-life youre pro-life and vice versa – ya ain’t changing any minds and what’s MORE important, ya aint changing Roe V Wade.  I don’t give a rat’s ass about your sanctimonious outrage.

BTW,

What about the fetus that is NOT aborted and born to an ill prepared mother witout insurance, surely you will pay for THAT innocent child’s care right????

Right?

Or do you only care about fetuses?

God Bless Planned Parenthood!!!!

PP saves lives!

Ehhhhh you must not be serious. 

He CHOSE to not have insurance. Why should someone else pay for his bad choices?

Hey there, Sherlock — it was a room filled to capacity with Republican and tea party partisans. Who exactly do you think was cheering?

“To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” — George Orwell

blah blah blah…murdered zygots….yawn.

If those zygots DO becoming human, will you provide health care if their loser parents cannot?

LMAO  …  Struck was up in Canada sucking off the french dudes while the rest  were off to war

Nice ad hominem try!!! Oh so typical of the TeaBagger Death Cult!!!

You can’t un-ring the bell and the TeaBagger Death Cult is going down in flames!!!

AHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!

sheesh, you’re still harping about fetuses?

Gawd, obsess much?

Go foster a kid!  Take your mind off your abortion OCD.

Good Catch!  I shoulda noticed the similar abortion OCD pattern….

Come on!!! Do you really think people can ‘trust’ you???

Nice try defending the TeaBagger Death Cult, though.

With that simple question from Wolf Blitzer the whole TeaBagger Death Cult well has been poisoned!!!

Game Over!

That myth was busted a long time ago…

Guess you didn’t get the news.

Did you get the news that Bush signed a bill as governor that allows hospitals to take patients off of life support if they don’t have insurance?

Despite parents wishes?

Hmmmm

Sounds a bit death panely to me….

thank you for your service!

No worries, friend.  Because of the president’s commitment to personal responsibility, he won’t have that choice for much longer.

No, thanks to the existence of Planned Parenthood through my teenage years, I have never been pregnant.

That being said, your hyperbole does not negate medical science.  Sorry.

go get yourself a foster kid or at least a dog for god’s sake….the world keeps on a turning and the poor widdle zygots will keep getting snuffed outta the womb and there aint damn thing you can do about it.

But of course!  

read the Chicago Tribue article yet sucker?

I will accept your apology to the president for such a nasty slur on his behalf.

be a good girl and admit you were wrong!

OK, that’s fair… I don’t think a 15 year old can make that decision on her own. I think in the situation you describe the care giver should be required to tell the parent or guardian. Further, as callous as it may sound to some, abortion is, in most cases, elective surgery. I don’t think government programs should pay for elective surgery. 

But I think that we’re good enough (America) that the guy should get the care he needs. Should he survive, it would be nice if he weren’t ruined financially, and In that regard Paul is right. The overall cost of care is too expensive, because there’s too many people involved.

 I don’t think healthcare should be a profit center. Not that people shouldn’t make a nice living, but we should be paying the people that make a difference, rather than those who make a decision. 

But as a moderate, I’ll offer this compromise:  I’ll settle for commercial healthcare with hard caps for guys like the coma-man, maybe $200,000 max. Insurance prices will be determined by earnings, maybe 20% with a cap as well ($24,000/yr?). We’ll let the drug companies continue to operate, but with prices regulated. Insurance and drug companies not allowed to lobby, and no more drug commercials aimed at patients. 

Silly, ChrisG.  It’s only a death panel if it’s (a) an imaginary invention by (b) a Democratic figure.

If it’s real, or put in place by a Republican, it doesn’t count.

This dialog started way back where some people, a few people, several people, a couple of people voiced their opinions in rergard to Mr. Pauls comment.  At least half of you responders shifted the subject.  At least another half ignored the facts. And, at least another half of all responders resorted to name calling.  Some responders did all three!  Is this the way good Americans should treat each other?  Lets calm down and think of ways to fix our Country instead of getting angry. Lets try to WORK together.  We are the United States of America!!

?  you’re ¿

Hell yes, we cheered!  And we WILL be taking you fools out (of office come Nov)!

I think they cheered louder when Andre Carson said the Tea Party wants to see blacks hanging from trees.

Well I assume because I try to see the best in people.  However, with your first question I can assume I am wrong.  I too have been self employed and the tax thing is tough, however our tax rates are LOWER now then they were 10 years ago.  Taxes have not been raised.  Even if they were included in the stimulus or obamacare, they wont go into effect til after the election.  Maybe your money woes are due to lack of demand.  I know mine were.  There is nothing a President can do about that.  My major point is that tax rates, government spending, and government debt have nothing to do with the economy.  My proof?  In the boom periods of the economy we spent more and higher tax rates.  What we also had back then was a manufacturing base.  We don’t have that now.  So we base our economy on stocks and debt (not government).  That’s the issue of why people are out of work.  The responsibility question is nothing more than nit picking in a time of strife.

I am not preaching to anyone.  I challenged you’re posturing by dismantling your argument.

I certainly hope you don’t commit suicide.  They have medical programs and medication for that.  But then again, you have to have insurance.  Life is tough huh?

Sweet Jeebus!

Even Perry thinks you tea baggers are freaks!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-perry-taken-aback-by-audience-cheering-hypothetical-death-of-uninsured-man/

And this a man who loves executing folks whether guilty or innocent or mentally incompetent…

Just like you fools boasted in the midterms.

Shoulda seen him during the debate, he tweetered about 500 times his slimy tea party insults. Over there is where you really get to know him. I’m not big into twitter, but that’s where these people show their true colors.

Why was Scott Peterson charged with the murder of his unborn son, along with the murder of his wife?

I applaud anti-TERRORIST republican sentiment.  I too am anti-TERRORIST.  I suppose you’d spend every last dime helping the terrorist survive his coma to fulfill his agenda??? 

a cell phone bill is a far cry from the costs to insure a family of 5….or ever one.

are u gonna acknowledge you were duped about Obama leaving widdle babies to die alone in linen closets?

The family may well have paid for it, but as she freely admits there is still an ‘irony.’

‘”Believe it or not – this was in the sixties – we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse,” Sarah Palin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/sarah-palin/7409555/Sarah-Palins-family-sought-health-care-in-Canada.html

Referring to one of these anti-science, xenophobic Conservatwits winning the Presidency?

And, in such a case, being the official death date of America, to usher in The New Holy Amerikkkan Empire… which will be destroyed by the world when it bares its vile, rule-the-world” face.

The sad truth only is on paper. The cultural, sociological and economic divide is huge in this country. The United States of America rhetoric doesn´t have any effect. It´s just rhetorics. In reality, the land is divided and especially the right wing nut jobs with their extreme positions are willing to tear the country apart.  They wont do anything till the 2012 elections for the benefit of America and Americans.

Obama is trying hard to make it work somehow. Last example, the very reasonable and moderate speech he gave before the Joint Session . He tried to invoke a bipartisan spirit and now look what he will get in return.

2012 is a big election. Especially if Perry gets the nomination. This isn´t a reasonable GOP anymore. They don´t even pretend anymore to take reasonable arguments into consideration. See cheers and reaction of the candidates. 

I’m still waiting Michelle…

“woman up” and admit you were duped…..

Your country isn’t America. That is understood by all.

Tommy . Any updates or breaking news on Jay Carney’s glasses ?

ummm no…

rewrite history much?

Big losses were expected. 

Thanks to Teatard though we kept two senate seats we were expecting to lose.

Thanks baggers!

The GOP is in a coma and it’s time to let them die!!!

Same question back at you.  A 15 year old girl walks into an abortion clinic and says she wants an abortion but cant pay for it and doesnt want to tell her parents.  She also says that her uncle, who got drunk and raped her, must be the father since she’s not had sex with anyone else.  What do you do?

(Shift the subject)  (Ignore the facts)  (Name call)
                 Is this what its coming to?                    

Apparently these BAGGERS weren’t Republicans during TERRY SCHIAVO

ron paul is a conservative…if not THE definition of a conservative

When Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) warned Americans with a sign reading “The Republican Health Care Plan: Die Quickly” during an after-hours House floor speech in 2009 Republicans were offended. But last night they cheered that very proposal. Grayson had it right.

hahahaha you, sir, are a moron
now go watch someone without healthcare die

In 2001, Senator Barack Obama was the only
member of the Illinois senate to speak against a bill that would have
recognized premature abortion survivors as “persons.” The bill was in
response to a Chicago-area hospital that was leaving such babies to die.
Obama voted “present” on the bill after denouncing it. It passed the
state Senate but died in a state house committee.

Ah the compassion of liberals!

Thank you for NOT procreating, btw.  At the rate you libs abort your babies, the liberal race may become extinct. 

deflect from the issue at hand moron…you are all a bunch of freaks who dont care about the life of anyone…
and you only want abortions banned because you want to control women…like talibans
tbaggers are the western talibans!

welcome to the internet

The only thing Barry is committed to is destroying the economy.  Oh and his golf swing. 

The teabaggers have been exposed time and time again for the vile, hateful, anti-science mob they are.

IN REPLY TO JUSTSOMEBLOWHARD!

Arguing that taxes are lower is similar to arguing 

that there are less slaves ( back in the day) than there were

the year before.  So what?  What’s wrong, is wrong.

Theft is immoral and the income tax is forced theft.

Therefore it is wrong.  All taxes should be voluntary.

You’ve only dismantled the illusion that stealing in order

to achieve a safety net has no immorality of its own.

It does and that immorality is THEFT.

And I like to think you’ve learned that.

In our current economic situation government/Fed manipulation

creates the booms and busts in the economy.  So it’s (yet again)

another fail by big government.  Also, we PAY for that boom in 

several ways – debt and deficits grow, inflation rises and our 

credit rating is on the ropes.  People also lose confidence in government

which further hurts them.  Ironically it’s the economic Keynesians such as Obama

who think they can “run the economy”.  Not people like Ron Paul.  No, we believe

the people and businesses should run the economy.  The governments job is to 

not steal or kill innocent lives abroad and let us do our thing.  Unless you want theft.

lets watch the Grand Old Party fall this is history

Obviously we have to treat the people when their life is in danger, but it really does add to the health care costs in this country.  It would probably be cheaper to go with a public option as opposed to treating people when their life is in danger or enforcing mandates.  Canada provides its citizens with the public option and they’re taking our jobs away from us because companies don’t have to provide their workers with health care.

Car insurance is a big time scam.  People are going to drive whether they have insurance or not.

I was cheering it, and I’m an Independent, why , it makes sense. That person made a conscious decision not to buy insurance. Probably because he knows no Hospital will turn him away, for fear of lawsuit. The common rationale of bottom, freeloading parasites.

you aren’t the decider so just stfu

using your “logic” hank “guam might tip over” johnson is THE definition of a democrat.

And that’s being conservative. It’s probably more like 30 or 40%.

Your discounting the rationale of the audience. A person 30 years of age in good health, making good money, made an informed decision not to buy insurance. The inference being, that person knows full well he/she will not be turned down by any Hospital, and the audience, rightly, made that inference.  

You’re calling someone ELSE pathological? ROFLMAO!!!!

That’s been tommy’s MO ever since obamas poll numbers started tanking. He’s in full on “smear” mode.

Or, maybe it was the majority of the audience in full agreement with Ron? Both Liberal and Conservative. Apply commonsense and most people come to the same conclusion.

There are roughly 1-billion Muslims worldwide. Let’s see 7% of 1-billlion is…….

That should be the Obamacons that support socialist health care. We need to appoint an Obamacon-Czar that will apportion the cost to only Obimbo supporters.  

you gotta be one blood thirsty sucking mutha’s to cheer at something like this, just like the last debate when Fairy Perry fans cheered on the over 200 executions which we know some were innocent. Amerikkka has become infected with hate and killing…….help us all, God

Call the police!

As long as they are not fully delivered they are still a fetus and count as something that can be killed. If they are fully birthed (more than just their neck that they have to shove the scissors into) that same “fetus” suddenly becomes a baby. 1 more push by the mother makes it a difference between abortion and murder. I have had babies born at 24 weeks, 29 weeks and 32 weeks. You will have to take my word for it that they most definitely are babies. If not, then I guess I just went to the graduation of my fetus.

Did you think it wrong for a member of Congress to confront an obvious lier, standing before Congress and the Nation? Isn’t it more despicable for a Congress person to ignore obvious lies? Lies that impact the legal citizens of this country. 

Obviously you are too stupid to understand the debated topic. The topic is a person who made plenty of money made an informed decision not to buy insurance. Should this person have to live with the risk of his decision or should the costs of their medical care if something goes wrong be pinned on the taxpayer. Should the government be allowed to confiscate my personal property to pay for another person’s risk taking gone bad. Ron Paul’s answer is no, it should not.

You pay for it in your taxes dipshit.

Read Milton Friedman’s How to Cure Healthcare. It’s quite simple. Sorry, but Socialism is not acceptable, the market does a much more efficient job and provides more advances in sectors in the economy then Socialism ever will.

Exactly!
What was it that you and I did to be indebted to the “30 year old making a good living” who decided he has more important things to own rather than health coverage?

How did we get to ‘owe’ him any damn thing?

This is the way history looked to me. 2008 you had it all, President, House, and Senate.
It was like Carnivale out in the streets. Schoolkids were singing songs about the annointed one.
Everyday was a Doseki commercial, the most wonderful man in the world. Heck he even received a Nobel Peace Prize.
Fast forward to just two measly years later and you expected that drubbing? Governors, state legislatures, House, Senate. Truth is I couldn’t believe any party could fck up a wet dream worse than that, so try rewriting that history. 

Typical that Tommy Christopher and the left don’t appear to want to understand folks applauding the concept of personal responsibility (the early part of the clip) and attempt to characterize it as some kind of death lust.  Or that “three or four” (when I actually only hear two or three) people’s singular shouts of “yeah” – so distinct in their isolation – is representative in that same vein of the whole.  They purposely miss that typical Americans are actually supportive of a worldview in which people should be free to live their own life and ought to be somewhat subject to the consequences of their own decisions.  They try to avoid that most people don’t like the idea of a safety net so tight that it binds (American’s desire a safety net that assists only those who absolutely need it).  For the left knows theirs is really a butterfly net meant to capture people into a cycle of dependency – dependency on an assortment of government programs and on them as defenders of spending and advocates for that invasive government.

The American people are more aware of politics and political discourse than they have in the past.  Be warned.  The lies and mis-characterizations which sustained you of the progressive left for generations will only result in more defeats for Democrats in the future.

Should have asked Doctor Paul this:

A woman (Dr. Paul is an OB/GYN) who has been seeing you for routine care and checkups has been paying the full costs herself. She suddenly develops cervical cancer, and she can’t afford to pay all the costs involved in that. She is YOUR patient. What do you do then, Dr. Paul? Do you let her die?

Do you go to the nearest chruch and ask for charity donations from those people, even though they don’t know this woman, in order to pay your bill? Or, do you become her personal charity, even covering her medicines and hospital stay? You are a DOCTOR, aren’t you?

(Note: She was denied health insurance on a per-existing condition that has nothing to do with the cancer).

So what does Mediaite’s CONSERVATIVE writer have to say about the debates for balance?

oh, wait, Mediaite DOESN’T HAVE ONE.

Good God, shut up.  You are just nasty.

It’s okay everyone. Tommy is just auditioning for his future job with the DNC.

And here we go again with the myth of capitalism versus socialism.

If you like to see how the market operates I advice you to study the financial collapse of 2008.

There is no free market capitalism. That´s a myth. Anybody can be a great capitalist as long as profits stay private and when the shit hits the fan the public pays.

Also, other systems with – what you would call socialism-  score way better when it comes to cost efficiency, providing health insurance and health care against our system where profits were maximized by collecting premiums and  in case of sickness people were cut of. You know, the free market thingie of keeping the profit and socializing the real costs.  Or letting people go broke and die.    

amazing how a lot of people get off topic here.  I was beginning to like Ron Paul and several things he stands for; however, I do agree that the basic needs of people should be provided for and that includes health care.

If we should be responsible for ourselves, shouldn’t this include everything?  What about education?  Why should government pay for education, if not health care?  If people should be responsible for their own health care, then families should be responsible for their childrens education as well by the same argument.

What if the issue was, the terrible thing that happened to a man that had no medical insurance, was that he was suddenly infected by a highly contagious disease.  What if it was his choice as well to not receive medical treatment for this?  Ron Paul talks about freedom of choice.  Would the government want to intervene then? 

There are some basic needs in society that should always be provided for.  This is why we are a society in the first place.  Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  Yes people should be more responsible for themselves, but circumstances do not always make it possible.

It is better and healthier for society overall and for the growth of mankind to at least ensure that basic needs are provided.   

Really? Perhaps some were not, but I woiuld be willing to bet that the majority were Ultra Right (white) wingers-aka T-Baggers…..

Sounded like 2 people maybe 3 out of a huge crowd.  Same old tired liberal nonsense.  Remember when 1 tea party guy showed up with a holstered gun at a rally and the left flipped out?  Let’s blame them for their shortcomings, but not make stuff up.

“Once it is born, it is a baby.”

Where exactly was the “confiscasting personal property” part of that hypothetical? Are you saying that you think the government would take you car to pay for someone else’s care?

“Apparently, the supposed “pro-life” party is also rabidly pro-death.”

A few jerks say ‘Yeah’ in response to someone dying because he doesn’t get insurance is equivalent to the whole tea party being rabidly pro-death?

Tommy, you’ve written some great articles, but you’re stating a logical fallacy here.  

And there’s no proof that it was a tea partier.  In fact, it COULD have been someone who was cheering on Wolf.  You don’t know that for sure.

Even if we stipulate that a few jerks were cheering on Mr. Paul, its just that a few people.  

If you Mr. Christoper want to take the cheers of a few and apply to the whole, WE CAN DO THAT FOR LIBERALS TOO.

I mean, how about ‘god damn america’ crowd at Obama’s church.  Does that mean, apparantly, that Obama hates America?  By your standard it does mean Obama is guilty by association.

But what about Mr. Paul’s statement about neighbors and churches taking care of him. 
Wouldn’t that eventually come out of your pocket in one way or another, either through your time or church donation?
Hypothetically, he’s your neighbor. What ever happened to the mythical “conmpassionate conservative”?

“Extreme” and “terrorist” are NOT synonyms. (synonym means, meaning the same thing)

And Ron Paul is f*cking clueless as to the REAL cost driver of the USAmerican Sick Care System — it’s the corporations, stupid!

The health insurance and hospital mafia are in collusion with Big PhRMA in the only for-profit sick care system in the industrialized world.  And the U.S. Federal government is only EXPECTED to pay these extortionists.

EVERY Civilized country has made the decision that Ron Paul refused to make that Health Care is a Human Right and have found an array of different, effective ways of paying for it.

Here in the outlier USAmerica, it’s all about profit not wellness — that’s why the U.S. pays twice as much per capita to be number 37!

My, lord! THAT is the big deal? 

I hadn’t seen the debate, but this video only shows people clapping over the concept of personal responsibility.

As to the “let him die question” you have two people hollering “yes” and nervous laughter following.  You don’t even know if these people weren’t hollering that as an indictment against libertarianism (which IS different from conservatism). 

Far and away the biggest clapping came from Paul relating his REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE of having this sort of person taken care of privately

The  cheering for death penalty is not that shocking.   Most Americans are for it. I’m not, but it’s the most disingenuous thing in the world not to make some sort of acknowledgment of the fact that people were cheering for capital punishment for someone who had committed a capital crime!

Tommy, you ask for forgiveness for Paul Krugman for his editoral blurring of “the shame” he feels at the aftermath of 9/11, with the actual fact of 9/11 (an editorial that is entirely compatible with those who call for the arrest of Bush Administration figures, and likely to have inspired some cheers among them…). However, you use the appellation of “bloodthirsty” against people who are so out of the norm as to have clapped for the execution of murderers, and to have giggled over two people irreverently and perversely shouting “yes!” to Wolf Blitzer’s loaded question!

Well, Tommy, it’s nice to know you can at least give the benefit of the doubt to Paul Krugman.  If not to utter strangers in an audience.

sheesh…

I suppose if it’s a muslim it’d be OK too, eh?
How about an african-american?
Or someone jewish?
Or mexican?

I’m afraid you wouldn’t fit in a tea-bagger world, Kim.  :-)

You’re speaking gibberish.

And you paleolithics have a bizarre world view that denies the Community of Humans that’s built into our DNA. 

In your dysfunctional world it’s every man for himself, dog eat dog, and if you can’t cut it, tough.

You are NEVER your Brother’s Keeper…

You should read “Sick Around the World”.  If you did, you might learn that there are many different ways of doing Health Care; from Socialist to “private” to a combination of both and they ALL do a better job than the USAmerican for-profit SIck Care system.

They make the initial decision that Health Care is a Human Right and find a way to do it.  Universally, they DON’T allow excessive profit in the financing of health care and insure EVERYONE.

Get a clue, Moran…

Personal responsibility?
Then Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, GW Bush and a host of others should all report to the nearest prison to start serving their sentences as war criminals.

Ok.  The country needs Improved and Enhanced Medicare for All and needs to OUTLAW private health insurance corporations.  This country needs to hammer Big PhRMA until they charge US what they charge those enlightened nations who HAVE universal Health Care at a reasonable cost and better outcomes (that is, ALL of the industrialized West and Far East)…

And then they’d go invade and destroy the country the person named Muhammad came from for sending the terrorist over here.

What passes for the base of the republican party today define bloodthirsty..

Nope.

You mean just like you CHOSE to have your house catch fire so why should the Socialist fire department put it out?

Or you Chose to be mugged in the street and so the Socialist Police Department should ignore the crime?

Or you Chose to rent instead of own property so the Socialist Public School system should lock out your child?

I vote we let the republicans take over again — they did more in bush/republican congress’ 8 years to destroy the “economy” than any other pResident in history.

Barry’s just carrying on the republican agenda…but a REAL republican would drive this capitalist Ponzi-scheme into the toilet faster!

OH, MY GOD!

Off Topic!!!  Troll…

Getting close to bed time sweety. Only a half hour left to play on the internet..

Sad, isn’t it?

Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a conservative. Get a clue…

If Ron Paul is the definition of a conservative, then that makes the definition of a liberal Michael Moore.

Well I’m just impressed that Mediaite ran the story. Thanks Mediaite!!

Well I’m just impressed that Mediaite ran the story. Thanks Mediaite!!

 
First off, you didnt answer my question at all, you just proposed one of your own. Thats pretty lame of you.

Secondly, abortions due to rape and incest constitute 1% or less of all total abortions.

“2. Number of Abortions from Rape and Incest
less than 1% of women who have abortions do so, because of rape or incest (AGI)A. Rape
•A recent Justice Dept. report returned a result of 170,000 completed rapes plus 140,000 attempted rapes. Nat. Crime Victim Report, US Justice Dept. Aug. 95, R. Bachman
And how many pregnancies result?
•About 1 or 2 for each 1000. This translates into an overall total of 170 to 340 assault rape pregnancies a year in the entire United States.”http://realweb.ifastnet.com/stats.html#arpinct
2. Number of Abortions from Rape and Incestless than 1% of women who have abortions do so, because of rape or incest (AGI)
A. Rape•A recent Justice Dept. report returned a result of 170,000 completed rapes plus 140,000 attempted rapes. Nat. Crime Victim Report, US Justice Dept. Aug. 95, R. BachmanAnd how many pregnancies result? •About 1 or 2 for each 1000. This translates into an overall total of 170 to 340 assault rape pregnancies a year in the entire United States.”
http://realweb.ifastnet.com/stats.html#arpinct

 
So I’ll be happy to answer your question about yet another statistically insignificant hypothetical scenario provided you dont weasel out of answering my original question. 

Define “plent of money”.  Define “informed decision”.

When you people say things like a full term baby in the uterus isn’t a baby (!!), and THEN extol the fact that you want nationalized health care, it’s like the health care position is some sort of penitence that has earned you the right to ignore the obvious in favor of a horror!

When you people say things like a full term baby in the uterus isn’t a baby (!!), and THEN extol the fact that you want nationalized health care, it’s like the health care position is some sort of penitence that has earned you the right to ignore the obvious in favor of a horror!

Guyoxim, your approach might be too reasonable for this comment thread to handle…lol.

Obviously something needs to be done about health care in this country- the problem is trusting a federal bureaucracy to do anything well is to me foolish.

What we need is a more efficient system, and one that is more rooted in real world price/cost infrastructures. Perhaps if insurance was more local, like if each individual hospital and doctor were insuring their own patients, then we would have a system that would be more cost effective, and better doctors and hospitals could charge higher premiums for their services…just a thought.

We also need to try to funnel more of our best and brightest into the health care profession. Perhaps tax incentives for being a doctor makes sense- why, if a doctor and a lawyer each make $250,000 a year, are they taxed essentially the same? One provides legitimate community service, the other is in more of a parasitical profession. 

Also I would be concerned that capping drug company profits would have unintended consequences- it would have to be done in such a way that it doesnt end up diverting funding that would have gone for R&D. As much as it may hurt to admit it, those evil pharmaceutical companies have saved an awful lot of lives in pursuit of profits…

Did you bother to watch the video?  It clearly refutes your description of what happened.

That would be your decision. You would have the freedom to decide whether or not to help the man and to what degree. The way things are now, the government forces your assistance through ever-increasing taxes. This also extends to moral issues. Women should have the right to have abortions, but the government should not use your hard-earned money to pay for them – especially if you are morally opposed to abortions. Ron Paul is right. We need to return to a society where individuals have pride and want to take care of themselves. There’s plenty of compassion in our society without the government having to get involved for their own selfish interests.

No, Republicans are for systems that allow would allow individuals to get the same tax benefits for owning their own policies that corporations get now. 

You’re for cutting the throats of full term in utero babies and then saying that they weren’t human anyway.

Ron Paul ALSO said that alternative medicine should be an unfettered option in caring for ourselves. The health food, alternative medicine industry in mostly supported by Liberals, Progressives, apoliticals, so Ron Paul should be their hero. He has been trying to protect our health freedoms, such as critical care alternative options, for many years. However, America is in general a selectively ignorant society with a very spoiled behavior. I don’t know if we deserve such a good leader. Maybe we need a serfdom and and good old fashioned king to pay homage to.

I agree with you, Bill Bradley, I think we need to get beyond the “SQ” stupid quotient and the other “IQ”, ignorance quotient, before Ron Paul gets the appreciation he deserves. What do you think, Bill, we got a chance of doing that in 14 months? Yikes, tall order. 

Anyone interested in factual knowledge? Google “Ron Paul health freedom/bills”..

Businesses were very charitable at one time, until the Feds decided to go in the cash register and TAKE the money… I remember being treated only 30 years ago for no charge, at a church-run hospital. Why can’t that happen again?? 

Doug, money doesn’t disappear when you spend it, it gets circulated. Of course your neighbor ends up contributing in a locally-based health care system. So do you, contribute to your neighbor’s health care. That a lot different though, than dealing with a corporatocracy with lobbyists and pharmaceutical companies pumping boatloads of prescriptions into the system rather than getting real care. That’s a corporate monopoly hindering you from making your own choices, while BUYING the right to control the industry FROM YOUR LEGISLATORS… Which deal sound better to you?

Well, it’s good to know we have a tax payer funded fire department and police department around for people who chose to have fires and to be mugged like this hypothetical man chose not to buy health insurance.

So much for “choice”… huh?

Hey Barney, this time it’s you NeoCons who will need to get on board the real republican wagon. You Neocons could be the spoilers in 2012..  That’s the change guys like Obama can only talk about.

Faux-R, REAL-R…like the old Memorex ads. Can you tell the real from the Memorex?? 

The more pertinent point is that Ron Paul is a libertarian not a conservative.  That’s why HE got asked that question.

The more pertinent point is that Ron Paul is a libertarian not a conservative.  That’s why HE got asked that question.

You’re missing, as others do, that quintessential discovery of American philosophical thought, and wish to chase down other notions brought in from abroad – from countries that don’t have our history, or longevity.  (Moreover, you seek to emulate those countries which are enabled by our world reach on defense and enjoy – or, rather did enjoy, for the economies of many of those countries you refer to are in meltdown and will soon undergo major restructuring – the luxury of the government dole.)   America is the longest lived continuous government on the planet, and for cause.  Our people hold ideas different from the rest of the world.  For example…

Rights belonging to humans are abstract concepts, not products.  They are inherent to his singular being, not something that can be gifted to him by another.

This is fundamental stuff of what it means to be American, in the sense that that American isn’t some propagandized intellectually lazy euro socialist.

Good idea. If you’re for it, you pay for it.  Has a nice ring, no? ;)

I knew this was a Tommy Christopher column from the first line before I followed the link from my FB feed. I didn’t bother reading the whole thing because his predictability is boring. We get it, Tommy. Republicans are evil hypocrites who want everyone to die so they can smother the cadavers in salsa (hand-made by the illegal immigrants those xenophobes always complaining about) and devour them with a side of kitten nachos. 

This should have been a story about personal, individual responsibility. The right is for it, promotes individual responsibility for all and seeks to reward the responsible. The left is against it, encourages people to rely on the government and must punish the responsible in order to pay for the actions of the irresponsible. 

Irresponsible people should not expect the responsible to come along and clean up after them. Proponents of big government solutions take money from the responsible, under force of law and at gunpoint, in order to soften the blow when the irresponsible inevitably fail. I’m sure it’s sad for the families of those who end up in situations similar to this hypothetical, I haven’t been through any such thing myself, but the sadness of the story does not absolve an individual of his responsibility to first take care of himself so he is not a burden to his family and society at large. 

Ron Paul is still a kook and (thankfully) has NO chance of winning the nomination. 

Hmmm I thought The Tea Party was dead as reported by CNN for the last year or more?

The MSM reports The Tea Party as not being mainstream so why does CNN hold 
The Tea Party debate?

So WTF CNN?

On a side note 12volt and the Royal Gimperor  are the same person

Those are three of the most ignorant statements that I have ever seen.

Do I really have to explain why?

Every group has its Paul Krugman-like bad apples.

“Tea-baggers” are not all libertarians.

The debate was sponsored by Tea Party, the audience was Tea party.  stop making excuses.  you are in denial my friend.  

where is the confiscate my personal property part?  are you serious?  such paranoia.  like it or not, a society is made of people, not property.  Libertarian ism may sound good in theory, but in reality, we live in a human based society and we have societal needs: police, law, fresh water, untainted food.  not that i trust the government, but i certainly don’t trust corporations and religious groups i trust much less.  i don’t know about you, but i am willing to help a dying man if it’s the last thing i do.  even you. 

well, don’t we pay taxes for fire department and police department.  i have never been in a fire or called the police for anything.  should i be expected to pay the police to help others?  Hell yes!!  Protection and basic health care is a right.  even if i pay for something i am personally using.  Self-fish bastards.

tea party sponsored event, tea party audience.  the audience has been vetted.  you are the one who should grow a brain

Ron Paul is one of the founding members of the tea party, you get a clue.

so you would advocate to just die.  

denial denial denial.

you have such evil thoughts my friend.  i hope god blesses and forgives you for your sins.

oh, and the Tea Party doesn’t miss any chance to smear everybody and everything including misconstruing the constitution and the ideas of the founding fathers.

oh barney, may god forgive your evil ways when you get to judgement day.

you would be such a terrible friend.

In answer to your hypothetical situation: You turn the girl away and tell her you can’t even talk about the situation unless a parent or guardian is present.

As for your “data”, you’re getting it from a pro-life web site?  I’m sure they’re the most unbiased source, right?  How about…

“There are about 1.6 million abortions in the United States each year, so
1 percent would be 16,000. Before Congress cut off Federal funds for
most abortions under the Federal-state Medicaid health plan for the
poor, about one-quarter of the women getting abortions were poor enough
to qualify for public funds. So if that ratio continues, there would be
about 4,000 poor women a year qualifying for Federal money for abortions
where the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest.”

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/13/us/rape-and-incest-just-1-of-all-abortions.html

So, in the mem of Wolf Blitzer, do you let 4000 have abortions?

 I’m glad you hypocrite Neo-Liberals weren’t around when the Libertarians were driving out the British and creating the Bill of Rights. We’d all be drinking tea and eating crumpets in the waiting rooms of the abortion clinics. Wasn’t it Bill Gates that said it is better to let one old person die in order to hire 7 more teachers? The Neo-Cons are just as disgusting as the Neo-Liberals and it seems they are interchangeable now too. Obushma has adopted everyone of Bush’s policies, everyone!

It was Al Gore who cost Al Gore the election. Those of us who voted for Nader were exercising our freedom to vote intelligently. If Al Gore had appealed to Nader’s supporters you wouldn’t be whining about them costing Gore the election.

I cannot imagine a liberal making that ill comment.  It had to be the ones who are against the government using our taxes to help the needy.  Those who just want to give tax breaks to the wealthy. Those who believe that if you do not belong to the top 20% it is because you are not smart enough to create wealth.  Those who believe that caring for others is not the governments problem as long as the government takes care of them by protecting their wealth.  Those who want us to pay for government to work only for them.
A Democrat is someone who not only think of their own families but also think that government has the duty to regulate corporations and demand health care, and good living wages for all not just the top 20%.  A Liberal is a person who lives and let live.  A Liberal is a person that will think of humans and country before thinking of their party.

You know that in some of the US possessions the Republicans have changed their party’s name to progressives. They do not want to be associated with the term Republican.

I do not know anyone who earns enough money that does not buy insurance.  And are you aware that for some who have families with pre-existing conditions insurance premiums can be at least $1500 per month and yet have a deductible of $2000 per year per person and yet they only cover $35 worth of prescriptions per month.  Now how many people do you know that are on the bottom 80% of the population that can afford that.  I know a couple that have 2 children, one disable, the husband brings home $50K per year and they cannot afford health insurance, because the dissability of the one child and the pre-existing condition of the wife,(cancer patient).  Their prescritptions are over $400 per month.  If the wife would work, they would have to pay child care for the disable child.  They do not qualify for gov. help because he makes good money, but between $900 per month in house payment, $190 car payment, $250 in auto and home owners mandated insurance, $400 per month in utilities, $950 per month in medical for the wife, and the disable child, $400 per month in prescriptions for the wife, (anti cancer drugs for at least 5 years), $140 in prescriptions for the boy.  Then gas that is so expensive.  The rest in food and incidentals.  He puts some for retirement, pre-taxed.  But that is all.  They have a daughter who is married and her husband has been unemployed for two years and they are helping them keep their house.  So, most people do not really know what does it mean not to have insurance and why.  I have worked in our congregation with people who cannot afford medical and food on the same month.  It is depressing to think that there are people who are not heartless in the US.  This country have changed so much in the past ten years that they are not recognizable.  They have become like psychopaths, no conscience and no pathos.

Maybe you feel you do not owe him.  But the government is not here to obey you but the majority.  And THE DEMOCRATS WON THE LAST ELECTION and we are 80% of the population.  82% do not approve of the GOP controlled congress.  And Obama is regaining the confidence of the people.  The Democratic base did not approve of his softness for the congress but hopefully he can get tough with this no conscience congress who prefers the demise of our country just to see him fail.

I wonder, When Cain asked: “Am I my brother’s keeper?”  How would a neo-Republican answer, or what do they say about “treat others the way you want to be treated” or “DO onto others”.  Or what do the think charity is.  “The poor will always be with us”.  I wonder if the know the reason why Jesus say that.  I feel blessed that they exist because their existence make charity possible.  There is not better way than with our vote, to make our nation a “good Samaritan” nation.  That will be the only way in which all of us can answer the “Am I my brother’s keeper” in a positive way.

It is a sad state of affairs when man sold his human conscience for a fist full of dollars.  And that is what this nation is doing.

Right on target.

No, what makes it impossible for people to take care of their health care, is the fact that the AMA and the APA (the are unions, by the way) and pharmaceutical corporations  tell the healthcare providers how much to charge.  Well, every 10 minutes a doctor makes $120 in office visit plus the other services.  So, pharmaceutical product get manufacture for pennies but they are sold in the US making 600% profits.  Without cost regulation which only the government can impose we will be the only country that accept these outrageous prices.  Then they have us all fighting each other, when we can start demanding better care for less cost.
If we were better at demanding union benefits in all industries we would not be in this predicament.  If we let the corporations have us fight each other instead of paying better and provide the same benefits they provide in other countries (In China, companies that moved from here have to provide everything from housing, transportation and health care to their slave workers), we will be fighting each other.

So, you know eh?  Only liberals will ask the good intelligent questions.  We are the ones with substance other than name calling.  Other than boo and laughs.  We are the only ones with the good enough brains to ask the pertinent questions.

Wrong, Ron Paul is a Republican.  He is just another hypocrite trying to get his piece of the pie.

Yeah, I’m sure the entire audience watching a Republican debate sponsored by the Tea Party was all ugly Liberals, right?

If this is what the country can expect from the Republican Party for the next 14 months, Obama will win this in a walk, and he doesn’t really deserve to.

Tommy Christopher is officially a lunatic with this statement: “Apparently, the supposed “pro-life” party is also rabidly pro-death.”

The Hypothetical young man’s is responsible for his own life, if I decide not to save someone committing suicide, it does not make me pro-death. Another person’s live cannot be more valuable to me than the person whose life is in question. If your own life is not valuable to you, I don’t think you should expect anyone to care more for you than you do about yourself.

I suppose there are people without a conscience everywhere. Ponerology teaches that for each psychopath there are a couple of followers following like puppy dogs.

Ron Paul is too honest to be President. His fate is a good example of what happens to politicians who don’t lie about what they believe.

How typically GOP.  Ich Bin Ein Republican!

The Obama’s universal health care would also pick people who would be let to die. They would just be diferrent people. Or maybe even the same person when his economy takes even more of a shit. Legislating prosperity doesn’t work, and it doesn’t even pay for prompt medical service in the US, Canada, or GB. People still die from accidents. Socialism doesn’t solve that. It just hides that.

At a Washington  DC prayer breakfast in 1994 mother Teresa of Calcutta began by saying :                        On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, “Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me.” Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, “Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me.” These will ask Him, “When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?” And Jesus will answer them, “Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!”
      At first the direction confused me then I realized He will be coming from the other side His left will be our right the “Take away Right” should reflect on that

I have been saying here quite often that the teabagger’s are uncaring they would be screaming the same exact words if he had been paying for insurance all along and they decided it was a preexisting condition from acne at 13. Had it been his 9 year old soon with leukemia they would have been screaming no free ride kick the little dead beat out of the hospital and if he can’t afford a funeral dump him in a mass grave.

exactly let the poor writhe in agony as they slowly die it’s the teabagger way no cash die you dead beat, and that starts at birth poor babies in neonatal intensive care throw the dead beats out if they don’t have insurance.

So it’s good that America is the most costliest and worst place to become ill, interesting I would think we would aspire to being number 1 and the least expensive or govt. run and cheaper per capita. By the way your insurance rates have to account for high hospital rates because in many places half don’t pay their bill and are going to emergency at $1,000+ a visit for something that could of been treated in a office visit for $100.00. I don’t know how good at math you are but if you have all these people going to office visits because it’s covered all cost will go down.

Ya Gottal Love Those Noble Christian-Conservative Values  (2 videos) http://wp.me/p1Jt6N-6B /via @wordpressdotcom

I often wonder if Tommy is capable of even being honest when discussing conservatives.  Like so many liberals, he’s spreading this insanely bogus lie that the audience cheered and laughed.  Exactly 2 people out of an audience of either hundreds or thousands said “yeah!” to Blitzer’s absurd question (absurd because a situation like that would be so rare in reality)…and I didn’t hear a single person laugh at the two dummies in the audience, and there certainly were no “cheers” from the “audience.”

I’m getting pretty damned sick and tired of folks like Christopher just blatantly making shit up because they disagree with someone.  Call me crazy, but I tend to attack things I disagree with that actually, ya know, happen in real life.  Some folks are so delusional in their hatred they actually create entire episodes of a debate that never took place outside of their twisted imaginations.  

 We need a national health care system based on Kaiser their Doctors are all salaried. Preventive and early diagnosis is the business of the day with all the mandatory testing they catch illness early so it is more easily treated with better outcomes. I don’t know why people think it’s OK to not get annual check-ups, have a poor diet and get no exercise their high health care costs even if they have Insurance they cause rates to go up for everyone else their laziness directly affects my insurance rate. Some of you will say it’s a free country etc. but these people having poor diets, not exercising, waiting till cancer is all through them directly affects MY insurance rates when it cost $1,000,000 to get their fat *ss out of the hospital. So it should be a national system with emergency only taking emergencies. Clinics with N.P.’s for standard care, Doctors seeing only the most ill, children going to a pediatric N.P. and Pediatricians only when indicated. All tests entered into a database so doubling up on tests is eliminated. Focusing on preventive health with dieticians giving seminars to groups of patients, and fitness experts doing the same, This will save billions, increase longevity, and increase the quality of life for Americans. With fewer non-emergency patients the Doctors will be able to focus on real emergencies only and with all your records a mouse click away there will be a lot fewer mistakes. So my socialized medicine plan just solved it.
 P.S. checklists in all hospitals, Doctors office’s, and clinics (proven to work reducing secondary infections etc.)

Why do i even bother with news anymore all it is is a shocking misleading title, and then some boring story from some guy with more free time then a man with a life sentence.Is it just me or do they just cover these boring “stories” because they want to go out of business?

Your socialized medicine plan ignores all the regulations preventing them from entering the data into a database, or from info being a mouse-click away. Also, the reason those people don’t take care of their health is BECAUSE they expect the government to take care of it. Your solution would cause the problem you are complaining about. And it would make you pay for it. And please use punctuation. It’s fun.

Maybe you have a problem hearing or you didn’t watch the debate.  Because there was absolutely no doubt that the tea party crowd was cheering and saying “let him die”.  It is time for republicans to take responsibiity for what they say and do.,  If they cheer the fact that Governor Perry allowed an innocent man to die, admit they cheered.  And, Perry probably did allow an innocent man to go to the electric chair after being wrongly convicted (railroaded) by the state of Texas for arson which killed his little girls.

And the Republicans who always want to look into a woman’s uterus because they are “so interested in preserving life, just can’t wrap their arms around the hypocrisy of their actions.

Of course you are wrong.  SInce the “borrow and spend” republicans took over and now more people are in poverty than ever before -  just like Grover Norquist directs all the republicans to vote so that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and can’t afford medicine or hospital.

Makes you want to take out a gun and kill every republican politician around.

Ron Paul and his son are crazy.  They preach a good sermon, but when it comes down to it, they want their food handler in a restaurant to be checked for Hepatitis.  They want their meat to be checked for e-coli and they certainly want to make sure bridges highways are built safely.  And if a virus becomes epidemic, they want the Health services to be there with a shot.

The real question is for the Tea Party folks:  Just what services are you willing to go without in your and your children’s lives?.

Nobody has ever said that a “full term baby in uterus isn;t a baby”.  You are apparently hearing things in your delusional way.  A “fetus” is not able to live on it’s own outside the uterus.  A baby can.

Apparently Republicans have a hearing problem. There was clearly applause, laughter along with many people saying “let him die”.

These were all pre-screened tea party members. You can have your own opinion, but you can’t have your own truth.

Whether we “owe” him or not, as human beings, we help each other. That “him” might be you some day. The hospital isn’t going to turn you away. You will get help and we will all pay for it in rising costs from those of us who can pay, so why not accept it and let us all contribute a penny towards you beforehand knowing that someone will need it. It’s less expensive and more humane in the long run. 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnntea-party-debate-audience-cheers-letting-uninsured-comatose-ma

Well, it’s obvious that you aren’t the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but I think even you could understand some basic principles here.   

Above is the link to the video.. Listen to it again:

Blitzer asks about the comatose man who elected not to buy insurance.Paul makes several statements about personal responsibility instead of viewing the government as a personal parachute.  The audience applauds those statements

Blitzer interrupts and asks if Paul would let him die.

Two people in the audience yell, “Yeah”

You then hear nervous tittering.

Paul clearly responds “no”.  Then he immediately says more about personal responsibility.  About his experience as a physician with such care being managed privately.  About how govt is the engine that drove the inflation medical goods and services in the first place and the incentive for a powerful lobby. About the need for competition in the industry.  About the govt opening up avenues for alternative medicine.

The audience claps THROUGHOUT THOSE remarks.

Now you don’t have to agree with Paul on any of his arguments.  However, you don’t need to lie about this video and you don’t need smear everyone who doesn’t agree with your politics as not caring if people die.

The subject is just a bit more complex than that.

lillyluminatus 1 day ago in reply to Struckgld

Because a baby doesn’t exist until it is born, prior to which
point it is a morula (bundle of cells), blastula (a hollow bundle of
cells), embryo, and fetus. Once it is born, it is a baby.

That baby, btw, is only guaranteed hospital care and health insuran

A tea party debate has nobody but racist stupid republicans in the audience….Try again Adolf…

Did you not get the part where the man “CHOSE” to not have insurance?  Tell me again why we should pay for this man’s bad choices.

By the way, babies don’t make choices.

You are correct.  WE all pay for those protections so they are availalbe if and when we need them.  No CHOICE.  Why can’t you see the problem with the folowing scenario??

Given two healthy 23 year olds starting new jobs at the same company. One chooses to pay for PPO coverage offered even though he is in excellent health. The other decides he is in excellent health and would rather pay for health care when the random need arises. After five years, the employee without health insurance is diagnosed with MS. He is no longer deemed insurable or is considered to have a pre-existing condition which will not be covered by insurance. Who is to pay for his bills? Does the insurance company have to insure him even though he avoided insurance when he was young and healthy? It’s like a car insurance company having to insure you after the accident. Does it work that way? Do we want it to work that way? I think this is the RISK Ron Paul was trying to explain.

“Of course you are wrong.” Do you mean that you know me, and that I am always wrong?

“SInce the ‘borrow and spend’ republicans”… You mean as opposed to Nancy “Spend a trillion dollars? Where do I sign!” Pelosi? Or Paul “The stimulus is never big enough!” Krugman? How would gorgegirl pay for national health care without borrowing (or just confiscating) and spending? How would you save all the dying people?

“…directs all the republicans to vote so that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer…” Why would a rich merchant want a bunch of poor customers??? Does that make sense to you? If it does then the oppressor has gotten inside your head. Do you believe that we make ourselves feel better by making those around us feel worse? Do you do that with your friends? That is the idea and the language of the oppressor. It is the men with the guns and the handcuffs and prisons that want to oppress you, that want you to be a docile, scared, poor person accepting your dole of bread and butter and turning your crank. It is the state that wants you to be a brick in the wall they are building.

The market and the merchant want a happy, wealthy customer. They don’t live off seeing how much worse-off you are than them. They live off your prosperity. Mutual cooperation by freedom to trade, and to own, property. Capitalism is freedom. 

And then you resort to violence. Do you think markets want violence? Do you think businesses want their customers murdering each other? Is that a business plan to you?

It is the government who thinks they have to provide you food and health care that would like to have a few less charges. Nothing like a good war to dig you out of a recession, like Paul Krugman says, and hide what a bad job they have done with our economy. You have been duped. You are workin’ for the man.

Free trade or whips, guns and chains. You pick.

Don’t flaunt your ignorance. The Germans invented socialized medicine. 

Bismarck took the idea from Alfried Krupp, The Canon King.

Then it was adopted by Adolph Hitler and the National SOCIALISTS!!!!

Are you a comedian by chance?

Technically a baby can’t “live on it’s own” outside the uterus.

Checked by the government? Made sure by the government? I doubt it. 

He has been saying all his adult life the he would rather have private individuals, accountable to market, trust relationships, and reputation take care of that.

The government knows only coercion and suppression and punishment. Why do you want them to be providing your food?

Another example of “civility” from the left.

“Moran”?

So women cant’ have abortions, but people without healthcare can just die…

We found God and his name is Bob. Bob knows all. Don’t judge us, Bob.

How much do you think the obscenely high prices are because the FDA consistently sides with big pharma.   Remember when tryptophan was banned. Just when the SSRIs were coming out.  Did you know the amino acid tryptophan is a natural source of serotonin?  BTW It wasn’t the  tryptophan t was later discovered and proven it was preservative that was the problem.  I read this on the US Department of Disease Control.  My point being that the FDA sides with big pharma over alternative treatments.

Wish I knew what to suggest.  I just know I feel for you and him and his family and every family or for that matter couples,married, living together, whatever in similar situations.  People should realize many of us are in positions you so eloquently described.

I thought Ron Paul was a Libertarian.  IE wanting as little governent as possible.  At the very least believing in less meddling by the govt. the better.

 Why is then that conservatives complain that its the hypothetical man’s fault he didn’t purchase health insurance when one of the major complaints Republicans target toward what they call “Obamacare” is the forcing of buying health insurance?   It seems that rightwingers, including Tea Party members b..tch about purchasing health coverage and then critcise something for not obtaining health insurance.  Why is that?

Tea party nazi party. Lets condem children born premature and children born with other health issues like the nazis did.We’ll just kill them off so they won’t be a burden on our greedy ass country! 
And the other attitude right to life with the motto “ Let them be born but hey after that you’re on your own”. Tea party people are self centered bigots. Who think that everybody is on welfare and just trying to steal their money. I hope these people burn in hell with their pockets full of their greed!

As Kaiser currently keeps a database on all their patients you are wrong about the regulations. I can go to my primary physician and be refereed to Ophthalmologist and when I get there he has all my records, a mouse click away at his dumb terminal. The reason people don’t take care of their health is not because they are expecting the government to do it it’s because THEY don’t want to go to the Doctor or colonoscopy scares them, mammograms hurt. My solution would not cause any problems other than people crying about they should be free to get exams or not. To reiterate the earlier you catch an illness the cheaper and the better the outcome, mandatory checklist’s reduce secondary infections by over 60%, repeating costly tests costs more and does nothing to improve outcomes. Some tort reform, but with checklists mistakes would be greatly reduced. Recently a neurosurgeon showed up for surgery intoxicated luckily rather than trying to get through the surgery his coworkers stopped him and reported it. With emergency visits reduced uninsured going to clinics instead of emergency the amount saved by this plan would be incredible.

There is not a single service that would go away if the federal government got its fingers out of every pot. There are doctors, scientists and contractors and many other entrepreneurs in the private sector who would be happy to step in and do the same job, better and more efficiently, and at a lower cost than the government does.

This whole discussion is ridiculous. If you weren’t there, you know nothing of the people who cheered. When Arizona was debating their Bill to check Citizenships they had an open forum in their house of representatives. A hospital administrator testified that in her Hospital, they had an Illegal Alien that had fallen at a job site and was technically brain-dead in the ICU on total life support. To date the bill for his care was $1.5 million. He was a Mexican citizen and no family would come forth to take responsibility for him. Mexico was asked if they could help with his care and they refused. The Hospital offered to pay for a  
jet ambulance to return him to Mexico and Mexico refused to do that as well. So I’m guessing all of you compassionate people are saying what? Hospitals should just assume millions in losses in cases like these? There are hospitals in high illegal alien populated areas that have gone out of business for things like this. That means that people needing emergency care in those areas have further to go to get it. The Government should step in and spend taxpayer money on this guy? Grayson wasn’t right about anything I ever heard him talk about. Seems you all are so quick to condemn those opposed to you that you simply can’t think things through to logical conclusions. Oh, it’s also a little ironic you would spend millions to save the uninsured coma guy, and you hate the Death penalty, but killing babies is cool! 

There isn’t a Republican on Earth who claims to be a Progressive. You….are an idiot!

That is sick how would they like it if they were in the mans position and left to die seriously :/, alot of heartless cold people here hope karma gets them back. Not the mans fault he didn’t get health insurance everyone has a choice in life, all about money thats all alot of people care about just some numbers on a piece of paper, happy that the vast majority of us aren’t like that. Least we have a heart to care and help others.

wow banh, you just dated yourself. Id respond, but I was taught never to talk back to my elders.

What has the U.S. become?  A fascist state with no concern for the more vulnerable but a whole lot of concern for the extraordinarily rich with whom the real welfare state resides–and the great unwashed can’t see it.  I’m afraid that although you, yourself,  can’t be described as uncaring, there are more people than you dare believe who are; to wit, the fact that you don’t have universal healthcare.  However, your leaders who would deny U.S. residents universal health care, have themselves ensured that they have the best healthcare IN THE WORLD paid for by………………….by the taxpayers of course.  Can’t people see this?  Instead of going after the super rich elite, people will do their best to go after the have-nots–the ones with the least amount of resources to fight back………………………..cuz it’s how cowardly people work………………and besides, they’ve been brainwashed by the ruling elites to think in exactly that manner.  Yes, let the 30-year-old die and should he have a son who takes ill, then let the tyke perish as well.  It is, afterall, the American way.

No one should have to buy health care insurance–it should be paid for by the state and the cost shared by all U.S. residents  on ability to pay.  (And ooooooh, the rich would never want to participate in such a scheme cuz after all, they’re doing okay, Jack.)   And if idjuts can’t see the efficacy of that, then they must feel that an unhealthy populace is a good thing.   And all but the ignorant know that that’s not true.   But ignorance is fast becoming the mainstay of the U.S.–brought about and maintained by the ruling elite–and for very good reason as you undoubtedly know.

What about calling it down the middle?  If someone needs non-life saving care it’s out of pocket.  It’s also out of pocket if it’s “preventable”, such as obesity related and type-2 diabetes related illnesses.  Life saving care would fall under the “police and fire dept” category where it fits into the good of ALL.  We shouldn’t be held at proverbial gunpoint by insurance companies to pay for thousands and thousands of dollars over the years in the off chance we get hit by a car some day.

“Not the mans fault he didn’t get health insurance”
How is it not his fault? It was specifically stated that he made a good living and simply chose not to get healthcare. Should the government’s purpose be to fix everyone’s bad decisions? If we want to do that why don’t we just stop people making any decision at all? How would you feel if the government started dictating what you ate, how long you slept and forced you to do a set amount of exercise? It is not the government’s responsibility to be people’s safety net.

Regarding your point about “happy that the vast majority of us aren’t like that”: well if the majority of people are happy to help others (which I also believe they are) then we shouldn’t need a state supported welfare system at all. Charities will be much more efficient when it comes to caring for people.