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Donald Trump Doubts Obama’s Citizenship: ‘The Whole Thing Is Very Strange’

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Donald Trump, in an interview on ABC’s Good Morning America, has expressed some doubt about President Obama’s citizenship, telling ABC’s Ashleigh Banfield that unlike the president, if people tried to learn more about his life, they’d have no problem finding people who remembered him from his childhood. By comparison, Trump suggests Obama is a man of mystery who only emerged later in life. “It’s very strange,” Trump said.

In the interview, which took place on Trump’s private jet, the potential presidential candidate says he’s willing to spend $600 million of his own money to bankroll a campaign. Trump also sized up potential GOP candidates from Sarah Palin to Mike Huckabee, talked about Charlie Sheen, and raised questions about the president:

“He grew up and nobody knew him. You know? When you interview people, if ever I got the nomination, if I ever decide to run, you may go back and interview people from my kindergarten. They’ll remember me. Nobody ever comes forward. Nobody knows who he his until later in his life. It’s very strange. The whole thing is very strange.”

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  • mikey970

    trump the fake hair is an asss—hole…. you fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • skyfet

    I find Donald Trump strange, forget about that for a moment.

    But I think the Donald is playing to the crazy crowd in the GOP in order to get ahead in the Primary. He tried to bash Ron Paul, that didn’t help, now he is moving to the fringes just to get ahead.

    I’ve stopped watching the Apprentice ages ago, since Trump put his kid up there to comment on people who have actually made something of themselves, to be lectured by one who was brought up with a silver spoon.

  • Atticus Draco

    “Donald Trump Doubts Obama’s Citizenship: ‘The Whole Thing Is Very Strange’”

    lol
    His whole presidency is VERY STRANGE!

  • TfT

    Bwahahahaha

    Chrissy and David Gregory are going to have hissy fits and call Trump a racist.

    Bwahahahaha

  • ohwell

    Whaaaaaaaaaa??

    I was so enthusiastic about a possible Trump-in-2012 possibility, but after these comments I don’t know anymore.
    The last thing we need is another “birther”…ugh.

  • Atticus Draco

    TfT said:
    Bwahahahaha

    Chrissy and David Gregory are going to have hissy fits and call Trump a racist.

    Bwahahahaha

    DANG,, i forgot that,,, LOL,,
    YOU’RE A RACIST TRUMP!

  • screwauger

    I am not in the know about his potential and I admit, many do not like him. He is however, saying the things people have been reluctant to say and it’s very hard to ignore his message thus far, IMO.
    The Anti -American Left will go just as berserk as with Palin simply because…well, see sentences one and two.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Trump’s only stating the obvious. To pursue it is to beat a dead horse though, no one of any influence wants to touch the birther thing with a ten foot pole.

  • Liberal Tormentor

    I’m not a birther, but Trump makes some good points. There is ALOT of secrecy surrounding BO. To bad the liberal media refused to do its job. Where are the college transcripts Barack?

  • valkyrie101

    Funny to see all these potential candidates losing their integrity just to pander to birthers. Apparently, birthers are a significant voting block.

  • screwauger

    get used to it folks, the era of political correctness is on the decline. Time to start calling a spade a spade and a pathetic excuse for a first family an epic mistake made by the youth and pc crowd in this country. I strongly suspect that “the folks” get it now and are quite sick and tired of it. Stay tuned for the silent majority to shut them all the f*** up.

    1/20/13

  • valkyrie101

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    I’m not a birther, but Trump makes some good points. There is ALOT of secrecy surrounding BO. To bad the liberal media refused to do its job. Where are the college transcripts Barack?

    Keep it going, michelle, we progressives love this issue.

  • screwauger

    valkyrie101 said:
    Keep it going, michelle, we progressives love this issue.

    and your blind faith in an obviously derisive and deceptive man proves your ignorance.

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Keep what going, Val? As I said, I am NOT a birther, but are you seriously denying there is alot of secrecy surrounding BO? What am I thinking, of course you are!

  • MediaiteCensorsSux

    let the pandering begin……

  • skyfet

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    I’m not a birther, but Trump makes some good points. There is ALOT of secrecy surrounding BO. To bad the liberal media refused to do its job. Where are the college transcripts Barack?

    Where is your GED results Michelle?

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Don’t you mean where ARE Sky? It would seem the better question would be where ARE yours.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    valkyrie101 said:
    Funny to see all these potential candidates losing their integrity just to pander to birthers.

    Kinda like liberals who pander to inner city sleeze and welfare mamas. Without the votes of ignorant leeches, the dems would’ve faded years ago.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek

    Obama’s followers are like a cult. They get so angry when you try to learn more about Obama. This is why the media did all it could to not learn anything about him. They’re afraid of what they might find.

    Case in point:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzMas1bVidw

  • Harry Flashman

    I recently received this e-mail about this subject. How much is BS I can’t say, but if even a fraction of it holds true, thern it should make any rational human think.

    It’s a little long, but worth the read……

    “Let’s face it. As insignificant as we all are, Someone Whom we went to school with remembers our name or face. Someone Remembers we were the clown, or the dork, or the brain, or the quiet one, or the bully, or something about us.

    George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. He questioned why no one has yet acknowledged the President was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus.

    Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia — the Class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him.

    While he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s College class remember him?

    And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records?

    NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA !

    Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.

    Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I Don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia …
    EVER!”

    Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ’83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that.” Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was.

    The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say In New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a Human Being who ever met him.”

    Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or Friends while at Columbia …

    NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 As a Political Science major in the same class that Barack Hussein Obama Was supposed to have been in.

    Some other interesting questions..

    Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002?

    Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by Court Order?

    It is circulating that according to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases…

    WHAT!! ???

    The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut , where he is never reported to have lived.

    No wonder all his records are sealed!”

  • Mr.Papshmer

    valkyrie101 said:
    Keep it going, michelle, we progressives love this issue.

    You love the issue, but still can’t answer any of the questions. The sign of politically correct ignorance; you believe that the issue itself, not the facts surrounding the issue, will be politically advantageous. You may be right, but as one commenter pointed out, people are starting to wake up to the mistake that was made in 08. I suspect you are, too, although I wouldn’t expect you to admit it. Obama talked a good game, but outside of handing over billions of taxpayer dollars to his banker and insurance company friends, he’s fulfilled none of his leftist promises.

  • TampopoLoco

    And the Donald makes his move into the presidential fray with a birther blast. LOL! This will be the worst Republican field EVER to run for president.

  • skyfet

    Harry Flashman said:
    I recently received this e-mail about this subject. How much is BS I can’t say, but if even a fraction of it holds !”

    This not only moronic, but it’s a waste of valuable space. The space you’ve taken up could have accommodate more posters (don’t be selfish). I remember being tough to reference my work at college, you could have provided a link to the stupid crap you posted, instead of wasting a valuable space. I think mediate should have typing limit, especially this kind of silly coping and pasting stuff.

  • justanotherconservative

    I think that, by now, it’s quite obvious that there is some kind of discrepancy in BHO’s citizenship status. They have kept it hidden well but it’s now beginning to unravel. I think it will become known soon. Then we’ll see who’s lying and making things up.

  • skyfet

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Don’t you mean where ARE Sky? It would seem the better question would be where ARE yours.

    Do you have your GED? If you have it, then you can go ahead and query Barack about his.

    Capich!

  • Color Me Badd

    Atticus Draco said:
    “Donald Trump Doubts Obama’s Citizenship: ‘The Whole Thing Is Very Strange’”

    lol
    His whole presidency is VERY STRANGE!

    Weird Atticus I actually thumbed up your statement and fully agree. WTF? Honestly is Sir Donald trying to make himself a complete sad joke before the first debate or not? And it is really good to see Ashleigh Banfield who was fired from PMSNBC for telling the truth about the Iraq war. F PMSNBC hate that channel!

  • justanotherconservative

    skyfet said:
    This not only moronic, but it’s a waste of valuable space. The space you’ve taken up could have accommodate more posters (don’t be selfish). I remember being tough to reference my work at college, you could have provided a link to the stupid crap you posted, instead of wasting a valuable space. I think mediate should have typing limit, especially this kind of silly coping and pasting stuff.

    you are such a yawn.

  • timzank

    You mean to tell me, if any of you posters here had been in the same kindergarten,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, or college class of a sitting U.S. President you wouldn’t be reasonably famous at least in the community you lived in? Especially in light of the fact so much “mystery” has surrounded this mans “formative” years, you wouldn’t come forward to tell all the world you traded sammiches at lunch in the 3rd grade with the President of The United States???

    For Gods sake, people climb out of the woodwork for some fame and notariety if they went to school with B-list entertainers, you don’t think they would for being pals with the leader of the free world?

    That is strange all right.

  • timzank

    justanotherconservative said:
    you are such a yawn.

    You must have ridden a very short bus to the college you attended judging by your sentence structure and punctuation, not to mention your fragmented thought process.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    skyfet said:
    Capich

    it’s capiche.

  • valkyrie101

    screwauger said:
    and your blind faith in an obviously derisive and deceptive man proves your ignorance.

    Its not blind because Obama was selected in a fair and democratic election. “Derisive” in this case is when you reject the results of that election for partisan reasons.

  • valkyrie101

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Keep what going, Val? As I said, I am NOT a birther, but are you seriously denying there is alot of secrecy surrounding BO? What am I thinking, of course you are!

    Your not a birther, just a birther apologist. Which is like having your cake and eating it too.

  • valkyrie101

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Kinda like liberals who pander to inner city sleeze and welfare mamas. Without the votes of ignorant leeches, the dems would’ve faded years ago.

    Yes, poor people do make up a large percentage of the democratic party.

  • Colorado_Conservative

    I want know why Obama’s SS if from Connecticut?

    I want to know why he spends millions fighting to keep his past History concealed.
    Why did he lie about transparency?
    He obviously has something Politically devasting he does not want the people to know.

    I could careless if the left calls me a racist, bigot, stupid…ect, for wanting to know who Obama is.

    List of records Obama continues to hide from the American people:

    1. Occidental College records
    2. Columbia College records
    3. Columbia Thesis paper
    4. Harvard College records
    5. Selective Service Registration
    6. Medical records
    7. Illinois State Senate schedule
    8. Law practice client list
    9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate
    10. Embossed, signed, paper Certification of Live Birth
    11. Harvard Law Review articles published
    12. University of Chicago scholarly articles
    13. Record of baptism
    14. Illinois State Senate records

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Val says:

    Yes, poor people do make up a large percentage of the democratic party.

    Yep, you like to keep them under your thumb and convince them they can’t make it on their own.

  • TampopoLoco

    sarainitaly said:
    it’s capiche.

    Tanti auguri Italia! How’s the mood there Sara? Italians don’t seem to be in a very festive mood these days.

  • ScienceAddicto

    Pffff,you expect to take down our first great African-American president with this baloney?

    Pffffff,good luck! “The U.S. jobless rate will be 7.7% in November 2012,according to the average forecast of economists in the latest Wall Street Journal survey.”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703555404576195030362085382.html

    That second term is looking more and more likely….. You guys keep focusing on that birth certificate though,just makes it that much easier for our current great POTUS. LOL!!!

  • joeywreck

    The birther movement is for retards. Enough said.

    Obama could literally be from Kenya, and I wouldn’t care. Politicians are a bunch of panicky people. But really, nothing really affects you. A small bit. Sure, you pay a slightly bit more in taxes or less. You can still live, survive.

  • valkyrie101

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    You love the issue, but still can’t answer any of the questions. The sign of politically correct ignorance; you believe that the issue itself, not the facts surrounding the issue, will be politically advantageous. You may be right, but as one commenter pointed out, people are starting to wake up to the mistake that was made in 08. I suspect you are, too, although I wouldn’t expect you to admit it. Obama talked a good game, but outside of handing over billions of taxpayer dollars to his banker and insurance company friends, he’s fulfilled none of his leftist promises.

    Sorry Pap, I was teasing Michelle that time. Obama complied with legal requirements with respect to releasing his personal information. Hanging on to this issue, I believe, does not help the credibility of the Republican party, and it marginalizes those who subscribe to it.

  • The Tea Weasel®

    The best thing about BO’s “secrecy”…it keeps the conservatives chasing their tails and makes the wingnuts and right wing crazies easy to spot.

    When someone starts yapping about Obama’s citizenship, you can go ahead and put a checkmark in the column next to their name marked “CRAZY”

    In this case, I had put a checkmark in that box a long time ago for Donald. And I swear, it had nothing to do with the world’s worst combover.

  • Color Me Badd

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    I want know why Obama’s SS if from Connecticut?

    I want to know why he spends millions fighting to keep his past History concealed.
    Why did he lie about transparency?
    He obviously has something Politically devasting he does not want the people to know.

    I could careless if the left calls me a racist, bigot, stupid…ect, for wanting to know who Obama is.

    List of records Obama continues to hide from the American people:

    1. Occidental College records
    2. Columbia College records
    3. Columbia Thesis paper
    4. Harvard College records
    5. Selective Service Registration
    6. Medical records
    7. Illinois State Senate schedule
    8. Law practice client list
    9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate
    10. Embossed, signed, paper Certification of Live Birth
    11. Harvard Law Review articles published
    12. University of Chicago scholarly articles
    13. Record of baptism
    14. Illinois State Senate records

    You are a goddamn idiot.

  • Color Me Badd

    ScienceAddicto said:
    Pffff,you expect to take down our first great African-American president with this baloney?

    Pffffff,good luck! “The U.S. jobless rate will be 7.7% in November 2012,according to the average forecast of economists in the latest Wall Street Journal survey.”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703555404576195030362085382.html

    That second term is looking more and more likely….. You guys keep focusing on that birth certificate though,just makes it that much easier for our current great POTUS. LOL!!!

    Obama is totally gonna get reelected and these people are pulling their hair out (in Donald’s case he better be careful) over whether or not he is a citizen! Tee Hee.

  • Dookiestix

    To all you ignorant birthers out there, including the idiot millionaire Donald Trump:

    GET A FRIGGIN LIFE!!!!

    Seriously, WTF is WRONG with you people?

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    “that’s the beauty of me” – hilarious. love the interview. i would love to have him run. can you imagine how fun this campaign season would be, if he did?

    TampopoLoco said:
    Tanti auguri Italia! How’s the mood there Sara? Italians don’t seem to be in a very festive mood these days

    Grazie! Mood seems fine, lots of celebrations in Rome and other cities today. I haven’t seen anything in my little town, the weather is rather dreary today. We watched the Tri-Colore fly over and events on TV today.

    I think people are sick and tired of the ongoing attacks on Berlusconi, and would prefer that the government actually just do their jobs.

  • justanotherconservative

    timzank said:
    You must have ridden a very short bus to the college you attended judging by your sentence structure and punctuation, not to mention your fragmented thought process.

    who said i went to college?

  • huntingtonboy

    Given how screwed up the country is, maybe we could use some outside help.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Dookiestix said:
    including the idiot millionaire Donald Trump

    LOL!
    he can’t be that much of an idiot….

  • screwauger

    valkyrie101 said:
    Its not blind because Obama was selected in a fair and democratic election. “Derisive” in this case is when you reject the results of that election for partisan reasons.

    I beg your pardon. Is that a lefty tactic too.
    The comment was pertaining to YOUR BLIND FAITH IN HIS CITIZENSHIP
    So you switch it up and refer to his being elected.
    Typical of any/all who support this administration since you all idolize that Obowmao is so darn good at it (it= deception and straw man arguments or follow the liberal play book to a T)

  • justanotherconservative

    timzank said:
    You must have ridden a very short bus to the college you attended judging by your sentence structure and punctuation, not to mention your fragmented thought process.

    you don’t think skyfet is boring????

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    justanotherconservative said:
    who said i went to college?

    i think he meant to reply to Skyfet and the quote feature pulled your comment, not his. I’m not sure, but that was my guess.

  • justanotherconservative

    skyfet said:
    Where is your GED results Michelle?

    it should read “Where ARE your GED results, Michelle?” see, i know my tenses.

  • screwauger

    Dookiestix said:
    To all you ignorant birthers out there, including the idiot millionaire Donald Trump:

    GET A FRIGGIN LIFE!!!!

    Seriously, WTF is WRONG with you people?

    It’s ok sticky, we adult’s will fix it all in the end and you will still be able to get netflix through your playstation. Deep breaths now…again. There there

  • Mr.Papshmer

    valkyrie101 said:
    Obama complied with legal requirements with respect to releasing his personal information. Hanging on to this issue, I believe, does not help the credibility of the Republican party, and it marginalizes those who subscribe to it.

    If it were to be known, however, that he authored a paper or series of papers, or wrote a thesis which was very radical, praising marxism, spewing anti-Americanism, or both, he’d be dead meat. He was/is a radical leftist, after all, he grew up hanging with radicals, and his old lady had her famous, “This is the first time I’ve ever been proud to be an American” speech.

    The birther thing is a dead horse, but I believe the college papers are where the real damage lie. The birth certificate is a distraction, and at some point, he’ll probably say, okay, here’s the damn thing, now leave me alone, at which point everyone will say, oh, well, I guess he just wants his privacy, and the college papers will be a moot point.

  • tgk

    Well, I didn’t see the interview, but pointing out his “mysterious” past doesn’t equate to questioning his citizenship to me. I have often thought it weird that during the campaign or shortly after his election there weren’t a bunch of people trying to cash in on “really” knowing him or having had dated him or something. Particularly given this “15 minutes of fame” world we now live in.

    So, did he actually question his citizenship or just his coming out of nowhere?

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Mr. Paps says:

    If it were to be known, however, that he authored a paper or series of papers, or wrote a thesis which was very radical, praising marxism, spewing anti-Americanism, or both, he’d be dead meat. He was/is a radical leftist, after all, he grew up hanging with radicals, and his old lady had her famous, “This is the first time I’ve ever been proud to be an American” speech.

    That’s exactly what I think they are hiding.

  • Colorado_Conservative

    Color Me Badd said:
    You are a goddamn idiot.

    Like I said…I don’t care anymore what the loony left labels me for asking questions.

    If all you have left is to call people names who ask questions….you have lost the argument.

  • HopeChangeInAZ

    What I find most interesting in reading the various comments on this subject is that the Obama supporters have nothing to come back on except insults to the birthers. The fact remains after all is said and done that this president has taken more pains and money to hide his past then anyone I ever seen before and to make matters worse, he has gotten a total pass from the media and just about everyone else. I for one cannot fathom that Obama is not a legitimate citizen but on the other hand, I don’t understand why the mystery about his past, which makes me ask the question why? These defenders of Obama only make it obvious to everyone else how hypocritical they are because you know if this was a Republican president pulling this kind of smoke and mirrors about their past, they would be up in arms from morning to night…they would be like a pit-bull not letting go of the subject until they uncovered something substantial or fabricated some end result (e.g. Dan Rather and Bush’s military fabrication). The fact is that whoever is the Republican nominee that will defeat Obama will have his entire past and any transgressions going all the way back to the baby crib exposed in the liberals efforts to destroy Obama’s opponent. Republicans have grown to accept this fact and I am no longer surprised by the hypocrisy of the liberal mindset since their primary belief is “the end justifies the means”. It also keeps reminding me why I despise liberals so much! I only hope this country fixes the mistake of 2008 and shows this neophyte the door in 2012.

  • BlueBunny

    screwauger said:
    we adult’s will fix it all in the end

    YOU SO CALLED REPUBLICAN/TEAPUBLICAN ADULTS ALREADY DID YOUR “FIXIN” DURING BUSHIES ERA POPS! THE REAL AMERICANS ARE IN CHARGE NOW TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE DISASTROUS MESS YOUR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT LEFT BEHIND FOR ALL OF US!

  • Colorado_Conservative

    Color Me Badd said:
    Obama is totally gonna get reelected and these people are pulling their hair out (in Donald’s case he better be careful) over whether or not he is a citizen! Tee Hee.

    All it will take is ONE State to pass a bill requiring all Candidates to provide proof of Citizenship by proving a VALID BC and Obama will lose re-election.

  • DCD-in-Indiana

    Bottom line is that Trump is right: It is all very weird. My theory is that Obama wants this stupidity out there in order to marginalize his opposition. That, and the fact that he’s a bogus fraud and an empty suit, the real-life equivalent of Chauncey Gardiner.

  • mibwilso

    I guess this is now one of the boxes you have to check if you’re going to run for office as a Republican.

  • BlueBunny

    HopeChangeInAZ said:
    the hypocrisy of “the end justifies the means”.

    WHAT A JOKE YOU ARE! WE AS AMERICANS WHO LIVED THRU THE BUSH REGIME KNOW THIS WAS THE MANTRA OF CHENEY AND RUMSFELD!

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Blue Bonnett,
    You may think putting everything in caps makes you look smart, but all it really does is draw attention to your constant moronic comments.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    Blue Bonnett,
    You may think putting everything in caps makes you look smart, but all it really does is draw attention to your constant moronic comments.

    I just don’t think his mom has shown him how to use the caps lock key yet.

  • justanotherconservative

    sarainitaly said:
    i think he meant to reply to Skyfet and the quote feature pulled your comment, not his. I’m not sure, but that was my guess.

    lol okay. thanks.

  • screwauger

    BlueBunny said:
    YOU SO CALLED REPUBLICAN/TEAPUBLICAN ADULTS ALREADY DID YOUR “FIXIN” DURING BUSHIES ERA POPS! THE REAL AMERICANS ARE IN CHARGE NOW TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE DISASTROUS MESS YOUR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT LEFT BEHIND FOR ALL OF US!

    Your ignorance is apparent in your assumption that any tea party member or true conservative thought Bush was anything but a RINO. A member of the new establishment that are going to be shown the door also.
    When the brackets are the focal point and oh, yeah, Japan, please donate! Your crew is gonna fix it all alright! Your apathy and ignorance will have us all wearing turbans. Thanks though

  • ScienceAddicto

    ScienceAddicto said:
    Pffff,you expect to take down our first great African-American president with this baloney?

    Pffffff,good luck! “The U.S. jobless rate will be 7.7% in November 2012,according to the average forecast of economists in the latest Wall Street Journal survey.”
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703555404576195030362085382.html

    That second term is looking more and more likely….. You guys keep focusing on that birth certificate though,just makes it that much easier for our current great POTUS. LOL!!!

    Color Me Badd said:
    Obama is totally gonna get reelected and these people are pulling their hair out (in Donald’s case he better be careful) over whether or not he is a citizen! Tee Hee.

    Heehee,their hatred for this president blinds them.He’s currently eating their lunch,while they scream he whispers,while they run he walks,while they spew he ponders.If their fate is to feel qualm on the night of the 2012 presidential Inauguration,so be it…..

  • writer

    I saw a movie about an international man of mystery, but he looked much different in it.

  • screwauger

    Color Me Badd said:
    Obama is totally gonna get reelected and these people are pulling their hair out (in Donald’s case he better be careful) over whether or not he is a citizen! Tee Hee.

    Ignorance must truly be Bliss! Where are you gonna find that majority who want electric cars and 4.59 gasoline and heating oil??? Ha we will see laddy

  • TampopoLoco

    HopeChangeInAZ said:
    What I find most interesting in reading the various comments on this subject is that the Obama supporters have nothing to come back on except insults to the birthers. The fact remains after all is said and done that this president has taken more pains and money to hide his past then anyone I ever seen before and to make matters worse, he has gotten a total pass from the media and just about everyone else. I for one cannot fathom that Obama is not a legitimate citizen but on the other hand, I don’t understand why the mystery about his past, which makes me ask the question why? These defenders of Obama only make it obvious to everyone else how hypocritical they are because you know if this was a Republican president pulling this kind of smoke and mirrors about their past, they would be up in arms from morning to night…they would be like a pit-bull not letting go of the subject until they uncovered something substantial or fabricated some end result (e.g. Dan Rather and Bush’s military fabrication). The fact is that whoever is the Republican nominee that will defeat Obama will have his entire past and any transgressions going all the way back to the baby crib exposed in the liberals efforts to destroy Obama’s opponent. Republicans have grown to accept this fact and I am no longer surprised by the hypocrisy of the liberal mindset since their primary belief is “the end justifies the means”. It also keeps reminding me why I despise liberals so much! I only hope this country fixes the mistake of 2008 and shows this neophyte the door in 2012.

    And having said all that i can only say, good luck with showing the “Socialist Kenyian Muslim” the door with the list of Republican candidates in the field. Obama’s team will have a field day with them all.

  • valkyrie101

    screwauger said:
    I beg your pardon. Is that a lefty tactic too.The comment was pertaining to YOUR BLIND FAITH IN HIS CITIZENSHIPSo you switch it up and refer to his being elected.Typical of any/all who support this administration since you all idolize that Obowmao is so darn good at it (it= deception and straw man arguments or follow the liberal play book to a T)

    Its not blind faith in his citizenship because under the law, he is a citizen. And I do not expect conservatives to necessarily support his policies, but that is different than saying that the duly elected President is not a citizen.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    ScienceAddicto said:
    Heehee,their hatred for this president blinds them.He’s currently eating their lunch,while they scream he whispers,while they run he walks,while they spew he ponders.If their fate is to feel qualm on the night of the 2012 presidential Inauguration,so be it…..

    Jesus Christ, homes, you sound like a school girl in love. And another commenter hit the nail on the head when he said that, while a lot of people are asking legitimate questions, all the left can do is insult. Pretty telling right there, actually.

  • skyfet

    justanotherconservative said:
    you are such a yawn.

    Yet you find the time to respond to my comments. I’ve got news for ya, I think you might be bored with your life.

    Just saying, not a snide.

    Capiche!

  • skyfet

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    All it will take is ONE State to pass a bill requiring all Candidates to provide proof of Citizenship by proving a VALID BC and Obama will lose re-election.

    The only place you can find that is in your dreams. Trust me, it lacks logic, can only exist in dreams.

  • justanotherconservative

    TampopoLoco said:
    It also keeps reminding me why I despise liberals so much! I only hope this country fixes the mistake of 2008 and shows this neophyte the door in 2012.

    yes. i’m hoping and praying for this. well said.

  • Bobomatic

    I was a naval aviator a few years back and we had a saying… you catch the most flack when over a target… in this case, BO’s mysterious past.

    Puke liberals call me every name in the book, I personally thrive off of it, but there is something here that any good journalist worth his salt should be able to find. He’s hiding something and it’s gonna be found out.

    I would love it if Trump ran if only to stir the pot… personally, I think he has a helluva lot more experience than our unicorn president. Trump is echoing a lot of what America is afraid to say and it’s going to build. C’mon Trump, run!

  • ScienceAddicto

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Jesus Christ, homes, you sound like a school girl in love. And another commenter hit the nail on the head when he said that, while a lot of people are asking legitimate questions, all the left can do is insult. Pretty telling right there, actually.

    Just analysing,homes,tell me do you consider the “birther” issue a political winner for Conservatives/Republicans?
    ….oh and as for that “school girl in love” quip,I’m a poet(a crappy one,yes),can you blame me? There goes Trump,hair in the wind,wind on the hair of his hands,air in his head,air in his head…….

  • BlueBunny

    TampopoLoco said:
    Obama’s team will have a field day with them all.

    AMERICAS TEAM IS ALREADY HAVING A FIELD DAY WITH THEM! AT LEAST THE ONES WE KNOW MAY OR MAY NOT BE RUNNING!

  • Colorado_Conservative

    skyfet said:
    The only place you can find that is in your dreams. Trust me, it lacks logic, can only exist in dreams.

    I think there are already 16 States in the process of introducing bills requiring proof of citizenship for Candidates before their name will be put on the ballot.
    Like I said, all it will take is ONE to be Obamas Waterloo!

  • RichS

    valkyrie101 said:
    Funny to see all these potential candidates losing their integrity just to pander to birthers. Apparently, birthers are a significant voting block.

    Why is it wrong to question the background of the President of the United States. I’ve been a consultant for a few years and whenever I get a different assignment I have to undergo a background check. Why is it wrong to make sure a candidate for President or a President of these United States conforms to the requirements set forth in the US Constitution?

  • TrollJuice

    Ha! It seems that most of you believe Donald Trump would make a good president? How many days after he takes office will he declare bankruptcy?

  • BlueBunny

    ScienceAddicto said:
    Heehee,their hatred for this president blinds them.He’s currently eating their lunch,while they scream he whispers,while they run he walks,while they spew he ponders.If their fate is to feel qualm on the night of the 2012 presidential Inauguration,so be it…..

    WELL SAID SCIENCE! BUT THEY STILL HAVE FALIN PALIN TO BEG TO RUN IN 2012 YOU BETCHA!

  • TrollJuice

    RichS says:
    March 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm RichS(Quote)
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    valkyrie101 said:
    Funny to see all these potential candidates losing their integrity just to pander to birthers. Apparently, birthers are a significant voting block.

    Why is it wrong to question the background of the President of the United States. I’ve been a consultant for a few years and whenever I get a different assignment I have to undergo a background check. Why is it wrong to make sure a candidate for President or a President of these United States conforms to the requirements set forth in the US Constitution?
    ====================

    What proof do you have that he hasn’t?

  • screwauger

    valkyrie101 said:
    Its not blind faith in his citizenship because under the law, he is a citizen. And I do not expect conservatives to necessarily support his policies, but that is different than saying that the duly elected President is not a citizen.

    I never said he was or was not a citizen however, I am a realist and there are loopholes in all aspects of life.
    I tried to point out that I do not share your blind trust.

  • TampopoLoco

    TampopoLoco said:
    It also keeps reminding me why I despise liberals so much! I only hope this country fixes the mistake of 2008 and shows this neophyte the door in 2012.

    justanotherconservative said:
    yes. i’m hoping and praying for this. well said.

    I never said that.That is not my quote. Learn how to properly quote people in here.

  • Lover

    There’s a good reason Obama spent millions hiding his back ground. The truth will come out one day. ;)

  • Mr.Papshmer

    ScienceAddicto said:
    do you consider the “birther” issue a political winner for Conservatives/Republicans?

    As I’ve said many times, no, I think it’s a distraction from his college papers. If he was as radical in his youth as most believe, some of the stuff he wrote may be pretty damning.

  • mibwilso

    I guess if you can’t win on ideas, you just have to try to discredit the person instead.

  • TrollJuice

    Mr.Papshmer says:
    March 17, 2011 at 12:34 pm Mr.Papshmer(Quote)
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    ScienceAddicto said:
    do you consider the “birther” issue a political winner for Conservatives/Republicans?

    As I’ve said many times, no, I think it’s a distraction from his college papers. If he was as radical in his youth as most believe, some of the stuff he wrote may be pretty damning.
    ================

    Ha! “as most believe” Most of who?

  • Lover

    If Obamas grades were better than a c average he wouldn’t have paid millions to hide them. Yes, it’s weird he paid millions to hide his past.

    “Transparency!”

  • Mr.Papshmer

    mibwilso said:
    I guess if you can’t win on ideas, you just have to try to discredit the person instead.

    Oh, the irony! :)

  • Lover

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Oh, the irony! :)

    And hypocrisy.

  • mibwilso

    Lover said:
    There’s a good reason Obama spent millions hiding his back ground. The truth will come out one day. ;)

    “Spent millions hiding his background”? Prove that.

    Besides, he’s written an entire book about his background…just read the damn book. There’s no part of his childhood that he doesn’t account for. On top of that, Hawaii has produced his birth certificate and there are local newspaper birth announcements from that time period. There are plenty of people who knew him and knew his Mom/Grandparents.

    The info is there *if you want to know*….but it seems that most of these birthers don’t really want to know….so they claim they “don’t know much about him”.

    You folks are just in fake denial trying to discredit him.

  • Dookiestix

    screwauger said:
    It’s ok sticky, we adult’s will fix it all in the end and you will still be able to get netflix through your playstation. Deep breaths now…again. There there

    I repeat, what is wrong with you people? You think your cryptic response makes you sound smart and witty?

    Holly shit.

  • mibwilso

    Lover said:
    If Obamas grades were better than a c average he wouldn’t have paid millions to hide them. Yes, it’s weird he paid millions to hide his past.

    “Transparency!”

    Who did he pay millions to? Can you back that up with some evidence? Or is it just because you think so?

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Lover said:
    If Obamas grades were better than a c average he wouldn’t have paid millions to hide them. Yes, it’s weird he paid millions to hide his past.

    I don’t think it’s his grades he’s hiding, I think it’s the things he wrote.

  • RichS

    ScienceAddicto said:
    Heehee,their hatred for this president blinds them.He’s currently eating their lunch,while they scream he whispers,while they run he walks,while they spew he ponders.If their fate is to feel qualm on the night of the 2012 presidential Inauguration,so be it…..

    In these United States of America the election will be held in 2012 but the inauguration will be held in 2013.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    mibwilso said:
    Besides, he’s written an entire book about his background…just read the damn book.

    I’ll bet you can say, “Polly wanna cracker”, too.

  • ScienceAddicto

    Lover said:
    There’s a good reason Obama spent millions hiding his back ground. The truth will come out one day. ;)

    If YOUR truth is what you want,then it’s already out.Floating from FreeRepublic to WorldNetDaily,it screams,but the sound is low,as Rove rejects they retort with an “ouch!”,yet it shines ever so bright,yet dull. As the Irish poet Beccán mac Luigdech once said; “If the light is bright yet the flame is weak,then the warmth of strength,do not seek…” Happy Saint Patrick’s Day everyone! Conservative and Liberal.I’m headed to my local pub,got 25 extra bucks.Then i shall sing; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbYued4KGPk&feature=related On march!

  • Colorado_Conservative

    TrollJuice said:
    Ha! It seems that most of you believe Donald Trump would make a good president? How many days after he takes office will he declare bankruptcy?

    ONE DAY…… because BIG spending Obama and the Democrats have already bankrupt us!!

    Trump as been able to climb out of debts and take charge…Obama has never done anything in his life except community organize disgruntled people and deceive people.

  • mibwilso

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    I don’t think it’s his grades he’s hiding, I think it’s the things he wrote.

    We know more about Barack Obama than we know about any of the Republican candidates.

    We haven’t seen Sarah Palin’s school records either….we only know that she changed schools a few times. (Why, we don’t know).

  • Mr.Papshmer

    mibwilso said:
    We know more about Barack Obama than we know about any of the Republican candidates.

    We haven’t seen Sarah Palin’s school records either….we only know that she changed schools a few times. (Why, we don’t know).

    Ahh, now comes the deflection.

  • Sprocket

    Lover said:
    There’s a good reason Obama spent millions hiding his back ground. The truth will come out one day. ;)

    Lover said:
    If Obamas grades were better than a c average he wouldn’t have paid millions to hide them. Yes, it’s weird he paid millions to hide his past.

    Can someone provide a link to the information proving this? I don’t mean some Breitbartian website or some Birtherblog…

    screwauger said:
    Ignorance must truly be Bliss! Where are you gonna find that majority who want electric cars and 4.59 gasoline and heating oil??? Ha we will see laddy

    So, is your head firmly down in the sand? Do you really expect gas to remain at artificially low prices forever? I remember gas at 17¢ a gallon. It’s been going up ever since. I expect gas to reach $6 a gallon in my lifetime, maybe more. Electric cars seem like a good idea….unless of course you have a design for a “nucular” car somewheres….

  • mibwilso

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Ahh, now comes the deflection.

    The deflection occured when you folks didn’t prove that “Obama spent millions hiding his record”….and when you didn’t respond to the fact that Hawaii has produced his birth certificate AND the fact that there are newspaper birth announcements from that time period.

    Still havent answered that., have you son?

  • mibwilso

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    community organize disgruntled people and deceive people.

    ….Sounds kind of like what the Tea Party does..

  • ProObamaAgenda

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    I’m not a birther, but Trump makes some good points. There is ALOT of secrecy surrounding BO. To bad the liberal media refused to do its job. Where are the college transcripts Barack?

    no youre not a birther, youre a birther in denial….theres a difference you know…………….dumbass

  • mibwilso

    Many of the Tea Party organizers have said that they studied Saul Alinsky’s organizing theories as well. Gasp!

  • Colorado_Conservative

    mibwilso said:
    “Spent millions hiding his background”? Prove that.

    Besides, he’s written an entire book about his background…just read the damn book. There’s no part of his childhood that he doesn’t account for. On top of that, Hawaii has produced his birth certificate and there are local newspaper birth announcements from that time period. There are plenty of people who knew him and knew his Mom/Grandparents.

    The info is there *if you want to know*….but it seems that most of these birthers don’t really want to know….so they claim they “don’t know much about him”.

    You folks are just in fake denial trying to discredit him.

    The fact is Obamas book is factually proven to be full of lies….Something you won’t hear about on MSNBC, Hffpo or any of the other pro obama medias!! His parents were never married, his father never even lived with him . Both of which Obama claims in his books!!

    Anyone can get a certificate of live birth from Hawaii and the papers will announce it..at least back then.
    But they have never listed someones parent as “African” like they did on Obamas.
    The fabricated one Obama produced does not have the doctors signature nor any of the staff that would have normal practice.
    Even the Gov. of Hawaii who promised to put an end to the madness has been mysteriously silenced.

    btw, do you know the difference between a “certificate of live birth” and a “long form birth certificate” is?
    The one Obama produced wouldn’t even be allowed tolet junior play little legue baseball!

  • mibwilso

    The Tea Party = Community organizing of angry, old white people.

  • RichS

    TrollJuice said:
    RichS says:March 17, 2011 at 12:27 pm RichS(Quote)Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 valkyrie101 said:Funny to see all these potential candidates losing their integrity just to pander to birthers. Apparently, birthers are a significant voting block. Why is it wrong to question the background of the President of the United States. I’ve been a consultant for a few years and whenever I get a different assignment I have to undergo a background check. Why is it wrong to make sure a candidate for President or a President of these United States conforms to the requirements set forth in the US Constitution?==================== What proof do you have that he hasn’t?

    I notice you didn’t answer my question. Instead you made up a question that had nothing to do with what I wrote. Are you going to answer the question or are you going to continue to dance?

  • screwauger

    Sprocket said:
    Can someone provide a link to the information proving this? I don’t mean some Breitbartian website or some Birtherblog…

    So, is your head firmly down in the sand? Do you really expect gas to remain at artificially low prices forever? I remember gas at 17¢ a gallon. It’s been going up ever since. I expect gas to reach $6 a gallon in my lifetime, maybe more. Electric cars seem like a good idea….unless of course you have a design for a “nucular” car somewheres….

    ya better start erecting your windmills now then….go for it dude. Your guy already promised that electricity rates will “necessarily skyrocket” under his plan. Where ya gonna plug that beauty in?

  • mibwilso

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    The fact is Obamas book is factually proven to be full of lies….Something you won’t hear about on MSNBC, Hffpo or any of the other pro obama medias!! His parents were never married, his father never even lived with him . Both of which Obama claims in his books!!

    Anyone can get a certificate of live birth from Hawaii and the papers will announce it..at least back then.
    But they have never listed someones parent as “African” like they did on Obamas.
    The fabricated one Obama produced does not have the doctors signature nor any of the staff that would have normal practice.
    Even the Gov. of Hawaii who promised to put an end to the madness has been mysteriously silenced.

    btw, do you know the difference between a “certificate of live birth” and a “long form birth certificate” is?
    The one Obama produced wouldn’t even be allowed tolet junior play little legue baseball!

    So, let’s get this straight…you think the Hawaiian newspapers fabricated his birth announcement….just in case a mixed race baby named Barack might run for president some day??

  • mibwilso

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    The fact is Obamas book is factually proven to be full of lies…

    By who?? Link?? (I’m sure you’ll give me a link to World Net Daily or some other wingnut site).

  • screwauger

    mibwilso said:
    Many of the Tea Party organizers have said that they studied Saul Alinsky’s organizing theories as well. Gasp!

    Ah, yeah. Does a ball team go on the field without educating themselves as to the opponents strengths and weaknesses? Knowledge is power hence all the hatred toward anyone who makes sense (insert any true conservative here)

  • ProObamaAgenda

    Sprocket said:
    Can someone provide a link to the information proving this? I don’t mean some Breitbartian website or some Birtherblog…

    So, is your head firmly down in the sand? Do you really expect gas to remain at artificially low prices forever? I remember gas at 17¢ a gallon. It’s been going up ever since. I expect gas to reach $6 a gallon in my lifetime, maybe more. Electric cars seem like a good idea….unless of course you have a design for a “nucular” car somewheres….

    jeeze sprocket $.17 a gallon ???? in what year was that????…dang…i remember it being $.30 a gallon when i was a kid…..isnt it true that right now its only $.10 a gallon in Venezuela ???….

  • screwauger

    Dookiestix said:
    I repeat, what is wrong with you people? You think your cryptic response makes you sound smart and witty?

    Holly shit.

    if this site and it’s posters are above your education level I suggest you choose another, say Huffington Post! Bye Bye

  • ScienceAddicto

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    ONE DAY…… because BIG spending Obama and the Democrats have already bankrupt us!!

    Trump as been able to climb out of debts and take charge…Obama has never done anything in his life except community organize disgruntled people and deceive people.

    He was also a popular and well-respected Senator from the land of Lincoln.Don’t you purposely leave that out! lol

  • mibwilso

    screwauger said:
    Ah, yeah. Does a ball team go on the field without educating themselves as to the opponents strengths and weaknesses? Knowledge is power hence all the hatred toward anyone who makes sense (insert any true conservative here)

    They wouldn’t have studied it if they didn’t think it makes some sense.

  • Lover

    Can one of you Obamabots produce Obamas college transcripts?

  • Harry Flashman

    skyfet, in addressing the e-mail I posted on the first page of comments, said:

    “This not only moronic, but it’s a waste of valuable space. The space you’ve taken up could have accommodate more posters (don’t be selfish).”

    I’ll skip the obvious socialism slap I coould take here and just say this…..I note that skyfet, along with almost all of the other lefty commenetrs, responds with rage and insult to this question but they all seem short of facts. Curious, eh?

    And, get this….I DO NOT WANT THESE ALLEGATIONS TO BE TRUE!!!!! The very thought that we could have put a complete fake into the most powerful position in the wprld is a truly horrifying one.

    I just want someone to answer the questions asked in that e-mail. Can someone do that?

  • valkyrie101

    RichS said:
    Why is it wrong to question the background of the President of the United States

    Wrong question, since nobody believes, left or right, that that is at issue. Of course, questioning the President is fully permitted under the Constitution. But as for the birth certificate, the matter has been decided by the appropriate state agencies, non partisan, that the released short form birth certificate constitutes proof of citizenship under Hawaii law. Thus your view, which challenges that, challenges not Obama, but the Hawaii State authorities. Do you not respect their decisions on this matter?

  • ScienceAddicto

    Speaking of WorldNetDaily,the de-facto “birthers”; http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=276269
    They’re having a field day with this one.

  • Liberal Tormentor

    mibwilso says:
    Many of the Tea Party organizers have said that they studied Saul Alinsky’s organizing theories as well. Gasp!

    Know thy enemy (as Obama calls his political opponents).

  • Mr.Papshmer

    mibwilso said:
    you folks didn’t prove that “Obama spent millions hiding his record”

    Never said it, don’t care.

    mibwilso said:
    Hawaii has produced his birth certificate

    Not true.

    mibwilso said:
    AND the fact that there are newspaper birth announcements from that time period

    My granddaughter’s birth announcement was in the local paper. She was born 600 miles away in northern California.

  • Lover

    I remember gas at 17¢ a gallon. It’s been going up ever since. I expect gas to reach $6 a gallon in my lifetime, maybe more.
    ———–

    Funniest post of the day. I wonder if that same poster was saying the same thing when Bush was President. I would bet my last dollar he wasn’t.

  • BlueBunny

    screwauger said:
    Knowledge is power

    YES IT IS! YOU SHOULD TELL REP. MICHELE BACHMANN THAT! ONE OF YOUR CONSERVATIVE SMART ONES!

  • screwauger

    Sprocket said:
    So, is your head firmly down in the sand? Do you really expect gas to remain at artificially low prices forever? I remember gas at 17¢ a gallon. It’s been going up ever since. I expect gas to reach $6 a gallon in my lifetime, maybe more. Electric cars seem like a good idea….unless of course you have a design for a “nucular” car somewheres….

    Furthermore, yes, I do expect the Dollar to remain strong and as the World Superpower, I do and did expect my fuel prices to remain “artificially low.” That you want something different tells it all…keep sipping that koolaide

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Iris, you give me a headache.

  • valkyrie101

    screwauger said:
    I never said he was or was not a citizen however, I am a realist and there are loopholes in all aspects of life.I tried to point out that I do not share your blind trust.

    Again. How is it blind trust when the State of Hawaii declares the short form birth certificate to be proof of Hawaii citizenship, as a matter of law? What more is at issue?

  • mibwilso

    How bout one of you birther nuts just offer up some proof that Obama was born somewhere else?

    If it’s that simple, just prove it. There is a hell of a lot more proof that Obama WAS born here than there is proof that he WASNT.

    If it’s such a slam dunk, just prove it and shut us Obama defenders up.

  • Lover

    WHY DOES OBAMA REFUSE TO RELEASE ANY OF HIS COLLEGE RECORDS OR TRANSCRTIPS. There is no reason for a bright young man to withhold such date UNLESS he has something to hide.

  • mibwilso

    valkyrie101 said:
    Again. How is it blind trust when the State of Hawaii declares the short form birth certificate to be proof of Hawaii citizenship, as a matter of law? What more is at issue?

    Exactly. There is no way to shut these birthers up because they CHOOSE not to believe anything you say.

    Even if we could produce the long-form birth certificate, they would still say it was made up.

    Even if we could resurrect the doctor that delivered him, they would say that he was bribed to say it.

    There is no satisfying these loons.

  • mibwilso

    Lover said:
    WHY DOES OBAMA REFUSE TO RELEASE ANY OF HIS COLLEGE RECORDS OR TRANSCRTIPS. There is no reason for a bright young man to withhold such date UNLESS he has something to hide.

    So his transcripts would tell you what, exactly? That he got a C in Bio101? Who cares?

  • Lover

    mibwilso said:
    So his transcripts would tell you what, exactly? That he got a C in Bio101? Who cares?

    Why did it matter in regards to Bush? How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Freakin’ pathetic!

  • Newsjunky

    Oh Donald. You make me so horny.

  • Lover

    mibwilso said:
    So his transcripts would tell you what, exactly? That he got a C in Bio101? Who cares?

    It matters that he HID them, freaklin’ retard!

  • mibwilso

    Lover said:
    Why did it matter in regards to Bush? How do you even look at yourself in the mirror? Freakin’ pathetic!

    I wasn’t asking for Bush’ transcripts. Personally, I never cared all that much. So, he got a couple of C’s in college…big deal.

  • Lover

    mibwilso said:
    I wasn’t asking for Bush’ transcripts. Personally, I never cared all that much. So, he got a couple of C’s in college…big deal.

    I don’t believe you for one second that you never made a big deal about Bush being “C student.”

  • mibwilso

    Lover said:
    It matters that he HID them, freaklin’ retard!

    McCain didn’t release his transcripts either…so what’s your point?

  • Sprocket

    screwauger said:
    Furthermore, yes, I do expect the Dollar to remain strong and as the World Superpower, I do and did expect my fuel prices to remain “artificially low.” That you want something different tells it all…keep sipping that koolaide

    Well, I guess you know very little about how oil is traded. We don’t control the price of oil. Want to see it go up? Piss off the Saudis. Want to see it go up? Let the speculators run the price up. Want to see it go up? Watch it fly out of the tanks when the rest of the world starts consuming like the U.S. Sure you can drill in ANWAR, price will still go up. You can drill off the East Coast, price will still go up. Start a war in the Middle East, price will go up. Everybody does good except the consumer. I bought my first shares in Exxon for $2.74. Go see what it is now. I paid 17¢ for gas in 1973. See what it is now. The price has been held down artificially for a long time. Reality may be about to set in.

    Keep being shortsighted and then you’ll be blindsided.

  • mibwilso

    Lover said:
    I don’t believe you for one second that you never made a big deal about Bush being “C student.”

    I had plenty of other reasons not to vote for him…so while I got a chuckle out of it, it wasn’t a big deal for me.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    I remembering reading a chat dialog between old employees for a company Obama used to work at, one he wrote about in his book. They were laughing at how Obama characterized his job there, and they all said he was a glorified proof reader. He used to carry a briefcase, and didn’t have an office, despite things he wrote about. They said he was a loner… I am trying to find it again. It was a couple of years or more ago that I read it.

    I did just see this, and have never seen it before:
    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/investigation-reveals-numerous-bogus-claims-on-obama-resume

    If I find that other site, I will post it.

  • mibwilso

    Again, if Obama was not born in the US, where’s your proof that he was born somewhere else??

  • Lover

    mibwilso says:

    So his (Obamas) transcripts would tell you what, exactly? That he got a C in Bio101? Who cares?
    ——-
    mibwilso says:

    I wasn’t asking for Bush’ transcripts. Personally, I never cared all that much.

    ——-

    Progress. ;)

  • ROCKSTEADY

    None of what Trump has to say matters.He has no chance of getting anywhere (besides what he can buy) being elected the President of the united states.

  • mibwilso

    Meanwhile, does anyone notice how the conversation has shifted away from Obama’s birth status and onto his grades in college?

    Funny…the wingnuts have stopped trying to prove their point and now act like they can de-legitmize him by talking about his transcripts.

  • mibwilso

    Where are McCain’s transcripts? We just don’t know enough about him…that’s soooo mysterious!

  • Sprocket

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    My granddaughter’s birth announcement was in the local paper. She was born 600 miles away in northern California.

    Did your granddaughter’s birth announcement say she was born in your town, or in your local hospital? Mine was in a paper 250 miles away. My grammy called the paper and they announced it. No miscommunication there. They used to put an announcement about me visiting everytime I went to see my grammy. No miscommunication there.

    Can anyone produce a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama? It was a British protectorate back then and they were sticklers for paperwork.

    I still want a link proving Obama is paying to hide something.

  • ndanielson

    How much do we know about Obama’s past?

    * Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators
    * Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
 Soetoro adoption records — Not released
    * Punahou School records — Not released
    * Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    * Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
    * Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
    * Passport records — Not released and official government passport files possibly scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
    * Columbia College records — Not released
    * Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
    * Harvard College records — Not released
    * Harvard Law Review articles — None
    * Illinois Bar Records — Not released
    * Baptism certificate — None
    * Medical records — Not released
    * Law practice client list — Not released
    * University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    * Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
    * Illinois State Senate records — None
    * Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
    * Hawaiian Certification Of Live Birth — Cannot be verified without knowing what is actually indicated on obama’s, Certificate Of Live Birth Original Long Form Hidden From Public View In Hawaii. The Certificate Of Live Birth Hidden In Hawaii Indicates, Hospital, Doctor, Parents Names and Registrar, Including Validating Signatures.

    Michelle’s hard earned law degree, that she spent years and thousand$ to earn – gone!

    What fine upstanding people in the leftist white house. Wow. Do a simple search on how 0bama won his IL senate seat. The left’s heroes are sick.

  • Sprocket

    Lover said:
    I remember gas at 17¢ a gallon. It’s been going up ever since. I expect gas to reach $6 a gallon in my lifetime, maybe more.
    ———–

    Funniest post of the day. I wonder if that same poster was saying the same thing when Bush was President. I would bet my last dollar he wasn’t.

    I would bet you are incorrect. And do you remember $4 a gallon gas…right before someone drove the world economy into a tree and gas plunged to $1.50 due to lack of consumption?

    PS My family has been in the wholesale oil business since the 1920′s. We sold out when the getting was good.

  • Lover

    The FEC report also reveals Obama For America has spent nearly $9.5 million in the first three months of this year – of which $6,365 in legal fees paid by Obama For America also went to Oldaker, Biden & Belair, a firm founded by Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.

  • Sprocket

    ndanielson said:
    How much do we know about Obama’s past?

    * Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators
    * Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released Soetoro adoption records — Not released
    * Punahou School records — Not released
    * Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    * Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
    * Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
    * Passport records — Not released and official government passport files possibly scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
    * Columbia College records — Not released
    * Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
    * Harvard College records — Not released
    * Harvard Law Review articles — None
    * Illinois Bar Records — Not released
    * Baptism certificate — None
    * Medical records — Not released
    * Law practice client list — Not released
    * University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    * Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
    * Illinois State Senate records — None
    * Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
    * Hawaiian Certification Of Live Birth — Cannot be verified without knowing what is actually indicated on obama’s, Certificate Of Live Birth Original Long Form Hidden From Public View In Hawaii. The Certificate Of Live Birth Hidden In Hawaii Indicates, Hospital, Doctor, Parents Names and Registrar, Including Validating Signatures.

    Michelle’s hard earned law degree, that she spent years and thousand$ to earn – gone!

    What fine upstanding people in the leftist white house. Wow. Do a simple search on how 0bama won his IL senate seat. The left’s heroes are sick.

    The 101st Wingnut Division has reported for duty.

  • Sprocket

    Lover said:
    The FEC report also reveals Obama For America has spent nearly $9.5 million in the first three months of this year – of which $6,365 in legal fees paid by Obama For America also went to Oldaker, Biden & Belair, a firm founded by Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.

    Post the link.

  • Lover

    Sprocket said:
    I would bet you are incorrect. And do you remember $4 a gallon gas…right before someone drove the world economy into a tree and gas plunged to $1.50 due to lack of consumption?

    PS My family has been in the wholesale oil business since the 1920’s. We sold out when the getting was good.

    Gas has more than doubled under Obamas regime.

  • Lover

    ProObamaAgenda said:
    actually you take care of me……i like it like that……the more you work the more i eat…..i can even buy steaks and orange sherbert with my food stamp card……..isnt life grand??? livin on the dole….in fact my dogs are getting fat and happy off you……only the best for my pooches…….thanks

    —————-

  • Sprocket

    Lover said:
    Gas has more than doubled under Obamas regime.

    True. It has doubled from the time of the collapse of the economy in ’08. It is still lower than its peak during the Bush Administration.

    http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Found it, although I don’t recall this being the site, exactly. But the comments are the same. You have to read through all the comments, too. they are old co-workers, discussing Obama.

    http://www.analyzethis.net/2005/07/09/barack-obama-embellishes-his-resume/

    Written about here, too.
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/did-obama-turn-down-a-wall-street-career

  • Old Duffer

    Hey Donald, as you say, it is strange. But what is even more strange, no, even more weird, is the LSM. The LSM has examined every orifice of Sarah Palin’s body, they now know more about her uterus than Obama’s faux twisted sister past. They never mention Obama’s father figure he so admired in his books (written by terrorist Bill Ayers) is a pedophile and self admitted communist. That Obama admitted his blow snorting and love for Maryanne weed. That Obama in Dreams of My father admitted kneeling at his father’s grave, clutching the soil and feeling his dead father’s spirit flowing into his being.

    the LSM rants about Sarah Palin not being a world traveler, but remain silent about Obama the younger’s early travels to countries on the US no fly list for American citizens. They pounce on every gaff by conservatives, but make no mention of Obama’s 58 state travels with his corpseman Austrian speaking companion. Nor not a peep when he said my Muslim religion.

    But I digress, for the LSM like Obama, are lying leftist socialist empty suit propagandists.

  • mibwilso

    ndanielson said:
    How much do we know about Obama’s past?

    * Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators
    * Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released Soetoro adoption records — Not released
    * Punahou School records — Not released
    * Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    * Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
    * Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
    * Passport records — Not released and official government passport files possibly scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
    * Columbia College records — Not released
    * Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
    * Harvard College records — Not released
    * Harvard Law Review articles — None
    * Illinois Bar Records — Not released
    * Baptism certificate — None
    * Medical records — Not released
    * Law practice client list — Not released
    * University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    * Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
    * Illinois State Senate records — None
    * Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
    * Hawaiian Certification Of Live Birth — Cannot be verified without knowing what is actually indicated on obama’s, Certificate Of Live Birth Original Long Form Hidden From Public View In Hawaii. The Certificate Of Live Birth Hidden In Hawaii Indicates, Hospital, Doctor, Parents Names and Registrar, Including Validating Signatures.

    Michelle’s hard earned law degree, that she spent years and thousand$ to earn – gone!

    What fine upstanding people in the leftist white house. Wow. Do a simple search on how 0bama won his IL senate seat. The left’s heroes are sick.

    OMG!! Maybe Michelle doesn’t even really exist at all!! Maybe she’s just a figment of our imaginations and the liberal media! AAAAAAHHH!!!

    LOL

  • Mr.Papshmer

    mibwilso said:
    Even if we could produce the long-form birth certificate, they would still say it was made up.

    And if there were a super-8 movie of Obama sliding down the chute with Kilimanjaro in the background, you’d do the same thing, you people operate on blind faith because you want to believe it. It’s no different than a religion.

    In any case, the birther thing is a distraction and a dead horse. What I’d really be interested in seeing is Obama’s college writings, especially from Columbia.

  • ndanielson

    “I don’t have – I don’t maintain – a file of eight years of work in the state Senate because I didn’t have the resources available to maintain those kinds of records,” he said at a recent campaign stop in Iowa. He said he wasn’t sure where any cache of records might have gone, adding, “It could have been thrown out. I haven’t been in the state Senate now for quite some time.”

    Obama’s statement that he has no papers from his time in the Illinois statehouse – he left in 2004 – stands in stark contrast to the massive Clinton file stored at the National Archives: an estimated 78 million pages of documents, plus 20 million e-mail messages, packed into 36,000 boxes. While any file from Obama’s time in the state Senate would be far smaller, the idea that no papers exist at all is questioned by one historian.

    “Most of those guys do keep this stuff, especially the favorable stuff. They’ve all got egos,” said Taylor Pensoneau, a historian who has written about Illinois legislators and governors and worked with them as a lobbyist for the coal industry. “It goes in scrapbooks or maybe boxes. I don’t think it’s normal practice to say it’s all discarded.”

    It’s not just his long form BC, it’s his whole past that is hidden. Did 0bama have any girlfriends in college? His first order of the day upon being president, was to seal all his “records”. The only Harvard law review president to never publish a paper. Harvard has a long, long history. If he was a republican, the left would have collectively had their heads explode years ago. They are as big of a fraud as their leader.

  • mibwilso

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    And if there were a super-8 movie of Obama sliding down the chute with Kilimanjaro in the background, you’d do the same thing, you people operate on blind faith because you want to believe it. It’s no different than a religion.

    In any case, the birther thing is a distraction and a dead horse. What I’d really be interested in seeing is Obama’s college writings, especially from Columbia.

    Again, what would you hope to learn from his writings? You already think he’s an anti-American, Socialist muslim anyway…..so are you hoping for something that would just reinforce what you already think?

  • ndanielson

    mibwilso said:
    OMG!! Maybe Michelle doesn’t even really exist at all!! Maybe she’s just a figment of our imaginations and the liberal media! AAAAAAHHH!!!

    LOL

    Liberals have been known to believe stupider things to promote their socialism. Where is her law license? I notice none of you liberals offer any reason for the so many 0bama discrepancies, just attack the message, or messenger. Why is that? I know you can’t answer that, sweetpea. I don’t even talk to you. We talk around you. This entire discussion is not about you liberal clowns, it is just to watch the many fascinating ways you squirm to prop up your heroes.

  • mibwilso

    ndanielson said:
    It’s not just his long form BC, it’s his whole past that is hidden. Did 0bama have any girlfriends in college? His first order of the day upon being president, was to seal all his “records”. The only Harvard law review president to never publish a paper. Harvard has a long, long history. If he was a republican, the left would have collectively had their heads explode years ago. They are as big of a fraud as their leader.

    No the problem is not that Obama hasn’t told us anything about his past….the problem is that you just don’t want believe him. He wrote a whole damn book about his past….if you don’t believe it, your choice. I don’t think he or anyone else can help you with that.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    This is one of my favorite conspiracy theories:
    http://octaman.com/comments/MalcolmO.html

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly
  • ndanielson

    Sprocket said:
    The 101st Wingnut Division has reported for duty.

    You defend your boy well. 0bama is the best the left has to offer? LOL. His wife must be so proud of his followers.

  • mibwilso

    ndanielson said:
    Liberals have been known to believe stupider things to promote their socialism. Where is her law license? I notice none of you liberals offer any reason for the so many 0bama discrepancies, just attack the message, or messenger. Why is that? I know you can’t answer that, sweetpea. I don’t even talk to you. We talk around you. This entire discussion is not about you liberal clowns, it is just to watch the many fascinating ways you squirm to prop up your heroes.

    Please dont give me that bullshit. You folks are the ones making baseless accusations about his citizenship. The burden of proof is on YOU.

    Nobody from your side has offered a whiff of proof that Obama was born somewhere else.

    Nor has anyone explained why lots of politicians (including John McCain) don’t release things like transcripts….or, if they do, they release heavily redacted versions.

  • ndanielson

    mibwilso said:
    No the problem is not that Obama hasn’t told us anything about his past….the problem is that you just don’t want believe him. He wrote a whole damn book about his past….if you don’t believe it, your choice. I don’t think he or anyone else can help you with that.

    And where are his transcripts? Admission papers? Where are the QUESTIONS on his missing years? No curiosity at all, cupcake? I don’t expect an answer. It’s just fun to watch your endless love and defense of this clown. At least those that respect Bush can find a fault, many. 0bama is faultless to you clowns. It is just fascinating to no end to behold.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    mibwilso said:
    Again, what would you hope to learn from his writings? You already think he’s an anti-American, Socialist muslim anyway

    That’s right, but the majority of “independents”, people who don’t follow politics and decide at halftime of the Fresno State / Idaho game who they’re going to vote for based on a touchy-feely campaign ad, those are the folks who, if they knew what a little anti-American little twerp he was, would reject him big time.

  • http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

    Just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you aren’t an idiot. And for the record, who gives a shit if Obama was physically born here or not? “THE CONSTITUTION!!!!” Yeah, well, I think a representative House of Representatives is in the Constitution too, but you aren’t whining that it isn’t.

  • ndanielson

    mibwilso said:
    Please dont give me that bullshit. You folks are the ones making baseless accusations about his citizenship. The burden of proof is on YOU.

    Nobody from your side has offered a whiff of proof that Obama was born somewhere else.

    Nor has anyone explained why lots of politicians (including John McCain) don’t release things like transcripts….or, if they do, they release heavily redacted versions.

    It’s not just his birth certificate, sweetpea. His whole life is a mystery. You keep bringing up his missing long form, to put up a smoke screen of your hero without a past.

  • Sprocket

    ndanielson said:
    You defend your boy well. 0bama is the best the left has to offer? LOL. His wife must be so proud of his followers.

    LOL why would I bother defending Obama against a right wingnut conspiracy theorist. My time would be better spent pissing up a rope.

    Evidently Obama is the best anybody has to offer. Try to find something decent to run in 2016. Hillary may still want to give it a shot.

  • ndanielson

    No curiosity at all about this.

    Obama’s statement that he has no papers from his time in the Illinois statehouse – he left in 2004 – stands in stark contrast to the massive Clinton file stored at the National Archives: an estimated 78 million pages of documents, plus 20 million e-mail messages, packed into 36,000 boxes. While any file from Obama’s time in the state Senate would be far smaller, the idea that no papers exist at all is questioned by one historian.

    Too bad that too many are curious. Too bad for 0bama’s adoring liberals.

  • George Sore-ohs

    What I have found to be one of the strangest things about Obama is that he changed his first and last names (and possibly his middle name) for no explainable reason.
    Have any other presidents changed their name with no explanation?

  • BlueBunny

    Lover said:
    Gas has more than doubled

    IN THE TWO YEARS PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE HAHAHA! YOU ARE A FUNNY ONE! DO YOU THINK IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE WARS OR THE OTHER PROBLEMS THE WORLD FACES! SUPPLY AND DEMAND!

  • ndanielson

    Sprocket said:
    LOL why would I bother defending Obama against a right wingnut conspiracy theorist.

    Yes, everybody picks on Barry. It’s just his big ears, dummy. You can see through it all. LOL.

    ndanielson said:
    Obama’s statement that he has no papers from his time in the Illinois statehouse – he left in 2004 – stands in stark contrast to the massive Clinton file stored at the National Archives: an estimated 78 million pages of documents, plus 20 million e-mail messages, packed into 36,000 boxes. While any file from Obama’s time in the state Senate would be far smaller, the idea that no papers exist at all is questioned by one historian.

    He was either smarter than Clinton, or had less to hide. That sure is scary.

  • Sprocket

    I have been unable to find any of George W. Bush’s college papers and I tried just as hard as ndanielson has to find Obama’s…..

  • DEFENDER-90

    mibwilso—”

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly
  • TeaPartyPatriot

    If THE DONALD wants to get rid of his doubts he should send a team of investigators and hunters to kenya to search each and every mud hut to find where the original “You Lie!” birth certificate is hidden. Certainly he can afford to do that. If his teams finds it quickly, we can then get rid of “You Lie!” well before the Nov 2012 election.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Sprocket said:
    I have been unable to find any of George W. Bush’s college papers and I tried just as hard as ndanielson has to find Obama’s…..

    Well, it took me one Bing search and about 10 seconds to find Bush’s politcal science scores from Yale.

  • George Sore-ohs

    Lets face it!!

    What happened is that the guy was swept in on hype, people wanting the Repubs out, a joke of a candidate running against him and people wanting to see a black president.

    When he did get in all the skeletons came out and people starting realizing the impact of the truth getting out so everyone went into coverup mode so as not to sink the US into more problems when a president gets impeached and his butt kicked out of the WH.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    George Sore-ohs said:
    What I have found to be one of the strangest things about Obama is that he changed his first and last names (and possibly his middle name) for no explainable reason.
    Have any other presidents changed their name with no explanation?

    I always figured the reason Obama was keeping his long form BC hidden was because of his name… Maybe because of his adoption by Soetoro, his BC lists him as Barry Soetoro or something like that.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    mibwilso said:
    No the problem is not that Obama hasn’t told us anything about his past….the problem is that you just don’t want believe him. He wrote a whole damn book about his past….if you don’t believe it, your choice. I don’t think he or anyone else can help you with that.

    You’re assuming these folks will actually READ something independently, and not be spoon fed deranged “scary black man” fantasies from Fox News and wing-nut radio.

    You give them too much credit, mibwilso. I’ve come to realize that conservatives will viciously attack and spread wild allegations against ANY Democrat, or anyBODY who dares upset the narrative with the wildest science fiction they can come up, from Hillary Clinton “murdering” Vince Foster, to “homicide pilots killing Ron Brown”.

    –Cobra

  • Sprocket

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Well, it took me one Bing search and about 10 seconds to find Bush’s politcal science scores from Yale.

    How about papers, coming up with anything….and I don’t mean his rolling papers.

  • BlueBunny

    ndanielson said:
    0bama is the best the left has to offer

    YES HE IS! WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? OH YEAH (MAYBE) DONALD TRUMP,FALIN PALIN MITT ROMNEY,ETC!

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    ndanielson said:
    It’s not just his long form BC, it’s his whole past that is hidden. Did 0bama have any girlfriends in college? His first order of the day upon being president, was to seal all his “records”. The only Harvard law review president to never publish a paper. Harvard has a long, long history. If he was a republican, the left would have collectively had their heads explode years ago. They are as big of a fraud as their leader.

    Here’s a little bit. The only friends from way back, that I know of, that have been found.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/recollections-of-obamas-ex-roommate/?hp

  • DEFENDER-90

    mibwilso–”please don’t give me that bullshit.you folks are the ones making baseless accusations about his citizenship”

    Philip J Berg.former Democrat attorney General for Pennsylvania,filed a complant in federal district court on 8/21/08.Against Democratic party presidential nominee Barack Obama,the DNC and the Federal Election Commission,alleging that Obama was born in Mombasa,Kenya.

    During the Dem primaries supporters of H Clinton campaign said there were issues with Obama birth certificate.Claiming it was fake.

    YOU ALL HAVE SELECTIVE MEMORIES.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    sarainitaly said:
    Here’s a little bit. The only friends from way back, that I know of, that have been found.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/recollections-of-obamas-ex-roommate/?hp

    Who knew? Wiki has a list of his old friends. haha
    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama%27s_friends_and_associates

  • ndanielson

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Well, it took me one Bing search and about 10 seconds to find Bush’s politcal science scores from Yale.

    His boy walks on water. You can lead a liberal to knowledge, but most are too dumb to think.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Sprocket said:
    How about papers, coming up with anything….and I don’t mean his rolling papers.

    Yeah, that’s cool, but your deflections mean nothing. Bush has a past. People remember him. Same with everyone else who has ever been president. After two painful years of Obama, we still know less of him than we do of Joe the Plumber. He’s a shady guy without a past, which is why people ask questions.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly
  • ndanielson

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Yeah, that’s cool, but your deflections mean nothing. Bush has a past. People remember him. Same with everyone else who has ever been president. After two painful years of Obama, we still know less of him than we do of Joe the Plumber. He’s a shady guy without a past, which is why people ask questions.

    His boy walks on water. You can lead a liberal to knowledge, but most are too dumb to think.

    Some are too stupid to figure out the caps lock key. I bet if he was ignored he’d go away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Hubble/100001340708758 caconservative

    There at least 3 really good arguments the birthers put forward. (1) Obama has spent a great deal of money keeping his records secret, why? In law, it is widely held that someone choosing not to bring forward documents is a clear sign those documents would be harmful to that person. (2) Barracks father was born in Kenyan making him a British subject, at the time of Obama’s birth which would negate his natural born qualification. (3) If an American child is adopted (Obama step-father) he automatically becomes subject to that countries jurisdiction and looses his American citizenship. All three arguments apply. This issue could be easily put to bed simply by Obimbo producing his birth-certificate. Every public candidate is vetted, who vetted this interloper, and why aren’t those facts made public, as they should be?

  • Lover

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Well, it took me one Bing search and about 10 seconds to find Bush’s politcal science scores from Yale.

    Which also means you proved “sprocket” to be a liar in the same amount of time. ;)

  • ndanielson

    caconservative said:
    There at least 3 really good arguments the birthers put forward. (1) Obama has spent a great deal of money keeping his records secret, why? In law, it is widely held that someone choosing not to bring forward documents is a clear sign those documents would be harmful to that person. (2) Barracks father was born in Kenyan making him a British subject, at the time of Obama’s birth which would negate his natural born qualification. (3) If an American child is adopted (Obama step-father) he automatically becomes subject to that countries jurisdiction and looses his American citizenship. All three arguments apply. This issue could be easily put to bed simply by Obimbo producing his birth-certificate. Every public candidate is vetted, who vetted this interloper, and why aren’t those facts made public, as they should be?

    It’s just the entire LIST of his missing documents that the liberal clowns ignore. When those questions arise, they always default to his BC. It is much bigger than his BC.

  • ndanielson

    sarainitaly said:
    Bush Yale Transcript
    http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp
    Bush earned a 1206 on the SATs

    http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html

    http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/bush_records/index.html

    They quit talking about Bush’s transcripts the minute it was proved that his grades were better than the disgraceful J. François Kerry’s were.

  • George Sore-ohs

    sarainitaly said:
    I always figured the reason Obama was keeping his long form BC hidden was because of his name… Maybe because of his adoption by Soetoro, his BC lists him as Barry Soetoro or something like that.

    So you are saying he might have been adopted by his father and mother in Hawaii under his father’s name?

  • Colorado_Conservative

    All I know is after his one term is over, Obama is going to have a very tiny presidential library with a gigantic safe filled with documents no one is allowed to look at.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    ndanielson said:
    It’s just the entire LIST of his missing documents that the liberal clowns ignore. When those questions arise, they always default to his BC. It is much bigger than his BC.

    They believe that the “birther” thing has traction, as far as marginalizing anyone pursuing it, and they’re probably right, and I’m not talking about the lefty nuts who comment here, I mean the entire leftist media machine. (which of course, the nuts here take their marching orders from) That they always bring up the birth certificate no matter what you’re asking about leads me to believe that it’s a diversion from the collage papers. A radical college kid hanging out with other radical kids at a notoriously radical college, I’m guessing he authored some papers that he’d not be comfy with middle America reading.

  • ndanielson

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    They believe that the “birther” thing has traction, as far as marginalizing anyone pursuing it, and they’re probably right, and I’m not talking about the lefty nuts who comment here, I mean the entire leftist media machine. (which of course, the nuts here take their marching orders from) That they always bring up the birth certificate no matter what you’re asking about leads me to believe that it’s a diversion from the collage papers. A radical college kid hanging out with other radical kids at a notoriously radical college, I’m guessing he authored some papers that he’d not be comfy with middle America reading.

    Yes. And his little flock of sheep, and bunnies, here defend his every move. Bizarre.

  • brooksider926

    screwauger said:
    get used to it folks, the era of political correctness is on the decline. Time to start calling a spade a spade and a pathetic excuse for a first family an epic mistake made by the youth and pc crowd in this country. I strongly suspect that “the folks” get it now and are quite sick and tired of it. Stay tuned for the silent majority to shut them all the f*** up. 1/20/13

    I think you’re dreaming.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    George Sore-ohs said:
    So you are saying he might have been adopted by his father and mother in Hawaii under his father’s name?

    no, i’m saying when he was adopted by Larry Soetoro, they changed his name on his BC, like they did my mom, and he never changed it back. So, therefore, it reads Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama.

  • http://www.snowspot.net Snowspot

    Honestly, how much research do you guys think Trump has done into Obama’s birth? He’s just saying stuff to rile people up, in my opinion.. he’s smart though, Tea-Baggers will follow him on just what he says, probably not his action. As long as he attacks Obama, he has a place in their heart, no matter what his moral aptitude.

  • The Tea Weasel®

    Love the Donald weighing in on the birther issue….gives it that certain…oh I don’t know…..let’s call it gravitas. But politics always has to have a sideshow and now we have lots: the Palin sideshow, the Birther sideshow, the Bachmann sideshow, and let’s not forget the Beck sideshow. Got to keep the GOPpy’s entertained, or they might wander off and get lost.

    Bless their hearts.

  • justanotherconservative

    skyfet said:
    I think you might be bored with your life.

    nah. not that bored. nor as boring as you seem to be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victoria-Sallese/703324932 Victoria Sallese

    I think Donald Trump’s hair is not his own, the whole thing is strange. Will somebody out there in the world take a reality pill and start talking about the real issue, and what they will do to solve the real problems?
    Oh, I forgot, like Sarah Palin says, I ‘ll do it if nobody else will. Not like a good citizen, though. That would have meant she stayed in office in Alaska.
    I wish the GOP would wander off. Do you think the Dems would really work to solve problems, then?

  • catfishjuggling

    sarainitaly said:
    no, i’m saying when he was adopted by Larry Soetoro, they changed his name on his BC, like they did my mom, and he never changed it back. So, therefore, it reads Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama.

    You do realize that we’ve had two recent Presidents who had this same scenario, right?

    President Ford: They then called her son Gerald Rudolff Ford, Jr. The future president was never formally adopted, however, and he did not legally change his name until December 3, 1935

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

    And Bill Clinton, who was born William Jefferson Blythe before being adopted and haveing his name changed to Clinton.

    Note that Ford changed his name even though there was no formal adoption.

    So why in the world would Obama be hiding anything on this.

    This is just crazy talk.

    And btw, I was born in the U.S. As are my kids. Guess what I just used to get our passports renewed? Our certificates of life birth.

    Finally, and I ask this honestly of all of you, if what you people are saying about the President is true, what does it say about the security apparatus in this country.

    You are saying that the military turned over the code to blow up everyone to someone whom they knew was not allowed to be President. You are saying that NO ONE in the upper levels of our military or security services would have found this out? None of them????

    At a minimum you are saying that the military is completely and totally inedpt. At most, you are saying that they are all guilty of treason.

    Crazy talk.

  • ndanielson

    Victoria Sallese said:
    I think Donald Trump’s hair is not his own, the whole thing is strange. Will somebody out there in the world take a reality pill and start talking about the real issue, and what they will do to solve the real problems?
    Oh, I forgot, like Sarah Palin says, I ‘ll do it if nobody else will. Not like a good citizen, though. That would have meant she stayed in office in Alaska.
    I wish the GOP would wander off. Do you think the Dems would really work to solve problems, then?

    Way to address the facts that he has hidden his entire past, not just his BC. You and dumbweaselⓇ are on the same page on that, as are all you sheep. We get it, for you, 0bama walks on water.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Victoria Sallese said:
    I think Donald Trump’s hair is not his own, the whole thing is strange. Will somebody out there in the world take a reality pill and start talking about the real issue, and what they will do to solve the real problems?
    Oh, I forgot, like Sarah Palin says, I ‘ll do it if nobody else will. Not like a good citizen, though. That would have meant she stayed in office in Alaska.
    I wish the GOP would wander off. Do you think the Dems would really work to solve problems, then?

    This whole comment is strange. Did you actually mean to say anything substantive? Or were you just trying to show the world that even retards can beat on a keyboard?

  • ndanielson

    catfishjuggling said:
    Finally, and I ask this honestly of all of you, if what you people are saying about the President is true, what does it say about the security apparatus in this country.

    That it is politicized beyond ridiculous, and ran by politicians, with an ideological bent that is beyond constitutional. What does THAT say about the security of this nation?

  • ndanielson

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    This whole comment is strange. Did you actually mean to say anything substantive? Or were you just trying to show the world that even retards can beat on a keyboard?

    She did have her caps off…

  • ndanielson

    Snowspot said:
    Honestly, how much research do you guys think Trump has done into Obama’s birth? He’s just saying stuff to rile people up, in my opinion.. he’s smart though, Tea-Baggers will follow him on just what he says, probably not his action. As long as he attacks Obama, he has a place in their heart, no matter what his moral aptitude.

    Only he is not just talking about his birth cert. His entire past is missing, or did you just miss that part, too???

  • catfishjuggling

    ndanielson said:
    That it is politicized beyond ridiculous, and ran by politicians, with an ideological bent that is beyond constitutional. What does THAT say about the security of this nation?

    So you are saying there are no loyal Republicans who are in the upper levels of the military who knew he was born in Kenya and did not come forward. They are sworn to uphold the Constitution.

    So they are traitors in your view?

    There is no squishy middle gound here, birthers. You want him the President tried for treason, I assume. I mean since he was born in Kenya in your world view, right? Well, your look at trials for most of the upper level of the military and whomever was in charge of vetting him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victoria-Sallese/703324932 Victoria Sallese

    Yes, Papshmer, that is why you are typing on this site.

  • RichS

    valkyrie101 said:
    Wrong question, since nobody believes, left or right, that that is at issue. Of course, questioning the President is fully permitted under the Constitution. But as for the birth certificate, the matter has been decided by the appropriate state agencies, non partisan, that the released short form birth certificate constitutes proof of citizenship under Hawaii law. Thus your view, which challenges that, challenges not Obama, but the Hawaii State authorities. Do you not respect their decisions on this matter?

    There is more to a background check then finding out where there person was born. You are evading my question.

  • ndanielson

    catfishjuggling said:
    So you are saying there are no loyal Republicans who are in the upper levels of the military who knew he was born in Kenya and did not come forward. They are sworn to uphold the Constitution.

    So they are traitors in your view?

    There is no squishy middle gound here, birthers. You want him the President tried for treason, I assume. I mean since he was born in Kenya in your world view, right? Well, your look at trials for most of the upper level of the military and whomever was in charge of vetting him.

    There are laws that not even the military can break. Imagine that. Documents that are not available…are not available, even to the military. By law. But what about his other sealed documents? Aren’t you the least bit curious as to why? His thesis? Sealed. his admission papers? Sealed. His transcripts? Sealed. His SSN history? Missing. His passport information? Missing. No curiosity at all about that? Or is is just rightwing lies to you? And would it give you pause if it is true that he is purposefully hiding harmful evidence of his disdain, and contempt for America and its constitution? That he really did befriend the likes of Bill Ayers, and believes in socialism? He is on record saying as much about the constitution. Why does the left jump to his defense on EVERYTHING about him? I don’t recall anyone defending EVERYTHING about any former president.

  • Bev

    First of all THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

    HATE is Amazingly still Apparent even after over 50 years of desegregation. Obama, IS THE PRESIDENT. SO TAKE IT! HE WILL STAY THE PRESIDENT!! YOU ALL WANT HIM TO BE PERFECT, YET HELD NO SUCH EXPECTATIONS FOR HIS PRIOR (2) WHITE COUNTERPARTS!

    Now let me calmly continue………. Obama’s information is on file in Hawaii, but it is not electronically available to the public because of local laws/ policies there. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. I know numerous individuals who live in Hawaii and have viewed it.

    Secondly, most “Americans” don’t have families that originate form here! Unless you are Native American onle–SHUT THE HELL UP!! His father was Kenyan Born, at one time his last name was his fathers….as many legitimate children carry surnames of their fathers.

    Thirdly, His family can have him live wherever in his life, he WAS BORN HERE!

    Lastly, This man is trying to UNDO the CRAP the STUPID (LITERALLY AN IDIOT–YALE WAS THROUGH FAMILY NAME AND MONEY—WE ALL KNOW THAT–NOT SMARTS!) BUSH DID, In an effort to prove himself to his father he attempted to go after men his Dad and those before him either TRAINED and/or ANGERED(Sadaam, etc), CUT NEEDED Programs to foster employment and keeping homes AND put us debt—- A Debt that We WERE NOT IN BEFORE (we were in the black upon Clinton’s departure). THAT BUSH IDIOT put us in a position (OVER 8 YEARS) that we are trying to dig our way out of. We needed jobs and continuous boosting to the economy, that doesn’t appear MAJICALLY after cutting needed things for those in need (WHICH MAKES LIFE HARDER TO MANAGE), but from INFUSING MORE MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY, while also cutting in other areas (ECON 101).

    Yet SOMEHOW Obama is suppose to undo 8years of crappy leadership (four of which Bush wasn’t even DEMOCRATICALLY voted into) in TWO YEARS?? IT WOULD TAKE AT LEAST THE CAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO FIX AS IT TOOK TO DESTROY!! HOW self-serving and completely IDIOTIC of you all that expect that…….

    When Was the Last time you Took a JOB in a DESTROYED work environment and was able to have it Turned around Completely in 1-2 years? NOW MULTIPLY THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND FISCAL ISSUES by about a trillion………….. Now that would be possible in just two years? in Our Global Economy?

    How about You Tea-Partiers, Republican-MisLed Folks and not so Cloaked Racists/Bigots—TAKE OFF THE MASKS AND HOODS AND ADMIT WHY YOU REALLY WANT HIM OUT!

    If you can’t then Be Quiet…………………..

  • catfishjuggling

    This entire argument is the single dumbest thing ever.

    We can’t be both the greatest country in the world and be unable to perform a background check.

    You win.

    He is Kenyan.

    Now what? Do we storm the gates? Really? I mean what is the freaking point?

    This is why I stopped voting Republican even though I did for most of my adult life. When I did, it was a party of ideas.

    Now it is just about resentment. Just sad

    (And to anticipate your response, I agree the Dems are full of crap too).

  • Bev

    First of all THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

    HATE is Amazingly still Apparent even after over 50 years of desegregation. Obama, IS THE PRESIDENT. SO TAKE IT! HE WILL STAY THE PRESIDENT!! YOU ALL WANT HIM TO BE PERFECT, YET HELD NO SUCH EXPECTATIONS FOR HIS PRIOR (2) WHITE COUNTERPARTS!

    Now let me calmly continue………. Obama’s information is on file in Hawaii, but it is not electronically available to the public because of local laws/ policies there. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. I know numerous individuals who live in Hawaii and have viewed it.

    Secondly, most “Americans” don’t have families that originate form here! Unless you are Native American onle–SHUT THE HELL UP!! His father was Kenyan Born, at one time his last name was his fathers….as many legitimate children carry surnames of their fathers.

    Thirdly, His family can have him live wherever in his life, he WAS BORN HERE!

    Lastly, This man is trying to UNDO the CRAP the STUPID (LITERALLY AN IDIOT–YALE WAS THROUGH FAMILY NAME AND MONEY—WE ALL KNOW THAT–NOT SMARTS!) BUSH DID, In an effort to prove himself to his father he attempted to go after men his Dad and those before him either TRAINED and/or ANGERED(Sadaam, etc), CUT NEEDED Programs to foster employment and keeping homes AND put us debt—- A Debt that We WERE NOT IN BEFORE (we were in the black upon Clinton’s departure). THAT BUSH IDIOT put us in a position (OVER 8 YEARS) that we are trying to dig our way out of. We needed jobs and continuous boosting to the economy, that doesn’t appear MAJICALLY after cutting needed things for those in need (WHICH MAKES LIFE HARDER TO MANAGE), but from INFUSING MORE MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY, while also cutting in other areas (ECON 101).

    Yet SOMEHOW Obama is suppose to undo 8years of crappy leadership (four of which Bush wasn’t even DEMOCRATICALLY voted into) in TWO YEARS?? IT WOULD TAKE AT LEAST THE CAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO FIX AS IT TOOK TO DESTROY!! HOW self-serving and completely IDIOTIC of you all that expect that…….

    When Was the Last time you Took a JOB in a DESTROYED work environment and was able to have it Turned around Completely in 1-2 years? NOW MULTIPLY THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND FISCAL ISSUES by about a trillion………….. Now that would be possible in just two years? in Our Global Economy?

    How about You Tea-Partiers, Republican-MisLed Folks and not so Cloaked Racists/Bigots—TAKE OFF THE MASKS AND HOODS AND ADMIT WHY YOU REALLY WANT HIM OUT!

    If you can’t then Be Quiet…………………..

  • valkyrie101

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    They believe that the “birther” thing has traction, as far as marginalizing anyone pursuing it, and they’re probably right, and I’m not talking about the lefty nuts who comment here, I mean the entire leftist media machine. (which of course, the nuts here take their marching orders from) That they always bring up the birth certificate no matter what you’re asking about leads me to believe that it’s a diversion from the collage papers. A radical college kid hanging out with other radical kids at a notoriously radical college, I’m guessing he authored some papers that he’d not be comfy with middle America reading.

    Wasn’t it Trump who “authored” a proposal for a one time 14.25% tax on the wealthy?

  • ndanielson

    Victoria Sallese said:
    Yes, Papshmer, that is why you are typing on this site.

    No one has figured out why you do. Do you really like Trumps hair that much, and feel such a need to spout off on Palin, to avoid seeing a cover up of your 0bama’s entire past? Did Trump mention just his BC, his hair or Sarah Palin?

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    catfishjuggling said:
    So why in the world would Obama be hiding anything on this.

    Perhaps because he never legally changed it back, and he went to law school, etc. using a *fake name*. Just a guess.

    Why is he hiding his long form BC?

  • ndanielson

    Bev said:
    First of all THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

    HATE is Amazingly still Apparent even after over 50 years of desegregation. Obama, IS THE PRESIDENT. SO TAKE IT! HE WILL STAY THE PRESIDENT!! YOU ALL WANT HIM TO BE PERFECT, YET HELD NO SUCH EXPECTATIONS FOR HIS PRIOR (2) WHITE COUNTERPARTS!

    Now let me calmly continue………. Obama’s information is on file in Hawaii, but it is not electronically available to the public because of local laws/ policies there. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. I know numerous individuals who live in Hawaii and have viewed it.

    Secondly, most “Americans” don’t have families that originate form here! Unless you are Native American onle–SHUT THE HELL UP!! His father was Kenyan Born, at one time his last name was his fathers….as many legitimate children carry surnames of their fathers.

    Thirdly, His family can have him live wherever in his life, he WAS BORN HERE!

    Lastly, This man is trying to UNDO the CRAP the STUPID (LITERALLY AN IDIOT–YALE WAS THROUGH FAMILY NAME AND MONEY—WE ALL KNOW THAT–NOT SMARTS!) BUSH DID, In an effort to prove himself to his father he attempted to go after men his Dad and those before him either TRAINED and/or ANGERED(Sadaam, etc), CUT NEEDED Programs to foster employment and keeping homes AND put us debt—- A Debt that We WERE NOT IN BEFORE (we were in the black upon Clinton’s departure). THAT BUSH IDIOT put us in a position (OVER 8 YEARS) that we are trying to dig our way out of. We needed jobs and continuous boosting to the economy, that doesn’t appear MAJICALLY after cutting needed things for those in need (WHICH MAKES LIFE HARDER TO MANAGE), but from INFUSING MORE MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY, while also cutting in other areas (ECON 101).

    Yet SOMEHOW Obama is suppose to undo 8years of crappy leadership (four of which Bush wasn’t even DEMOCRATICALLY voted into) in TWO YEARS?? IT WOULD TAKE AT LEAST THE CAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO FIX AS IT TOOK TO DESTROY!! HOW self-serving and completely IDIOTIC of you all that expect that…….

    When Was the Last time you Took a JOB in a DESTROYED work environment and was able to have it Turned around Completely in 1-2 years? NOW MULTIPLY THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND FISCAL ISSUES by about a trillion………….. Now that would be possible in just two years? in Our Global Economy?

    How about You Tea-Partiers, Republican-MisLed Folks and not so Cloaked Racists/Bigots—TAKE OFF THE MASKS AND HOODS AND ADMIT WHY YOU REALLY WANT HIM OUT!

    If you can’t then Be Quiet…………………..

    But what about the rest of his past, sweetpea? Calmly, if you can. Breathe. Does anything here interest you?

    * Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators
    * Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
 Soetoro adoption records — Not released
    * Punahou School records — Not released
    * Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    * Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
    * Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
    * Passport records — Not released and official government passport files possibly scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar
    * Columbia College records — Not released
    * Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released
    * Harvard College records — Not released
    * Harvard Law Review articles — None
    * Illinois Bar Records — Not released
    * Baptism certificate — None
    * Medical records — Not released
    * Law practice client list — Not released
    * University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    * Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
    * Illinois State Senate records — None
    * Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
    * Hawaiian Certification Of Live Birth — Cannot be verified without knowing what is actually indicated on obama’s, Certificate Of Live Birth Original Long Form Hidden From Public View In Hawaii. The Certificate Of Live Birth Hidden In Hawaii Indicates, Hospital, Doctor, Parents Names and Registrar, Including Validating Signatures.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Bev said:
    HATE is Amazingly still Apparent even after over 50 years of desegregation. Obama, IS THE PRESIDENT. SO TAKE IT! HE WILL STAY THE PRESIDENT!! YOU ALL WANT HIM TO BE PERFECT, YET HELD NO SUCH EXPECTATIONS FOR HIS PRIOR (2) WHITE COUNTERPARTS!

    Now let me calmly continue………. Obama’s information is on file in Hawaii, but it is not electronically available to the public because of local laws/ policies there. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. I know numerous individuals who live in Hawaii and have viewed it.

    Settle down, you ridiculous bint. If you want to apologize and run point for the little freakjob, that’s up to you, but don’t blow a gasket just because a lot of us see your god as a pathetic charlatan.

  • catfishjuggling

    Bev said:
    ) (four of which Bush wasn’t even DEMOCRATICALLY voted into)

    Yes, Bush wasn’t democratically elected.

    But neither was Obama.

    We are a Representative Republic.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Bev said:
    I know numerous individuals who live in Hawaii and have viewed it.

    I call bullsh*t on that.

  • Bev

    SOCIALISM AND ORGANIZING ARE a PART of DEMOCRACY.

    EVERY UNION is FOUNDED on THOSE VALUES.

    ITS ABOUT EVERYDAY PEOPLE and FIGHTING FOR THEM EVEN TO THE POINT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

    DEFINTIION: Socialism is an economic and political THEORY advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.

    When it Began here During the days when women and children were being mistreated and the settlement ouses had people (later called social workers) out there advocating for their rights! IT IS THE REASON WE HAVE Child Protection LAWS—Back then animals were better protected than CHILDREN….

    EDUCATE YOURSELVES….closeminded*$%#&

  • ndanielson

    By the way, Mr. 0bama won his senate seat by obtaining sealed records of his opponents divorce papers and smearing him during the final days of the campaign. Oh, the irony. He’s a fraud to the bone.

  • catfishjuggling

    sarainitaly said:
    Perhaps because he never legally changed it back, and he went to law school, etc. using a *fake name*. Just a guess. Why is he hiding his long form BC?

    Maybe he doesn’t have it.

    I don’t have mine.

    You have yours?

  • Mr.Papshmer

    valkyrie101 said:
    Wasn’t it Trump who “authored” a proposal for a one time 14.25% tax on the wealthy?

    Don’t know or care. Trump is irrelevant as a politician.

  • Bev

    Mr.Papshmer:
    My GOD is the One Who is now shaking His head at your hate… Don’t Talk—You’re an Idiot.

    sarainitaly:
    How About You LEAVE Italy and take a trip and view the Docs yourself…Until You do SHUT UP WITH THE STUPIDITY………………………………………………………………………..hateful miscreant

  • ndanielson

    Bev said:
    SOCIALISM AND ORGANIZING ARE a PART of DEMOCRACY.

    EVERY UNION is FOUNDED on THOSE VALUES.

    ITS ABOUT EVERYDAY PEOPLE and FIGHTING FOR THEM EVEN TO THE POINT OF THE GOVERNMENT.

    DEFINTIION: Socialism is an economic and political THEORY advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.

    When it Began here During the days when women and children were being mistreated and the settlement ouses had people (later called social workers) out there advocating for their rights! IT IS THE REASON WE HAVE Child Protection LAWS—Back then animals were better protected than CHILDREN….

    EDUCATE YOURSELVES….closeminded*$%#&

    Socialism is what Marx believed in more than anything in his life. It leads to communism when other people run out of money to give to the government. Then comes the fun part. Educate your own dumb a$$.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    catfishjuggling said:
    Maybe he doesn’t have it.

    I don’t have mine.

    You have yours?

    yep. i had to have it to get married in italy, and move here.

    and if Hawaii has it, then he could have it. He has been fighting it in court to not release it. Why? What’s the big deal? Just release it already, and shut every one up. There’s a reason he doesn’t just release it…what is it.

  • catfishjuggling

    You win.

    He is still President.

    Oh well.

  • Bev

    ndanielson:
    He didn’t smear. He wasn’t the one who released it or spread it. If he commented it was personal opinion. FREE COUNTRY to state opinion as SOOOOO many of you are showing me today…..

    catfishjuggling:
    Exactly, Most adults I know have to re-order their BC and don’t have the long form….

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Bev said:
    SOCIALISM AND ORGANIZING ARE a PART of DEMOCRACY.

    We’re not a democracy, thank God, the founders knew that democracy is a bad thing and went out of their way to avoid that type of government. We are a Republic. Democracy has always been nothing but a transition to oligarchy.

    Anyway, you’re an idiot, and it’s pretty obvious you failed second grade social studies.

  • ndanielson

    catfishjuggling said:
    four of which Bush wasn’t even DEMOCRATICALLY voted into)

    And the left calls the right deniers. Gore lost every recount in FL. Every single one. He was too much of a pussy to concede and dragged the SCOTUS into his sissy fit, and still lost. Imagine that. Bush didn’t even have the benefit of ACORN and Micky Mouse voting for him, and GORE STILL LOST. Boo-hoo, huh?

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Bev said:
    Mr.Papshmer:
    My GOD is the One Who is now shaking His head at your hate… Don’t Talk—You’re an Idiot.

    sarainitaly:
    How About You LEAVE Italy and take a trip and view the Docs yourself…Until You do SHUT UP WITH THE STUPIDITY………………………………………………………………………..hateful miscreant

    Umm… I could go to Hawaii, and ask to view them, but they wouldn’t let me. Only a select view have the right to view it – Obama, or his family. Which is why I call bullsh*t.

    Please explain to us how you know a bunch of people who were allowed access to view the POTUS’ birth certificate.

    Hateful miscreant? Hon, you need to take a chill pill. You are getting your panties in a mighty bunch defending a guy you do not know.

  • ndanielson

    ndanielson said:
    catfishjuggling said:
    four of which Bush wasn’t even DEMOCRATICALLY voted into)

    Attribute this asinine quote to the brain dead Bev.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Victoria-Sallese/703324932 Victoria Sallese

    Dear God, why is everyone so convinced that Obama is Kenyan? Why is that question so important that some of the above contributors will not discuss anything else? THere is hunger in the US and the world, there are families living out of cars, there is a nuclear disaster in Japan. Why aren’t these problems being discussed? Isn’t it wonderful that your lives are so perfect and nothing affects you except that you don’t like the president, so you come up with an absolutely silly rumor to type about.

  • Bev

    ndanielson:

    SOOOO EVERY person who believes in this theory is LIKE CARL MARX????
    COMMUNISM IS A FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT CAN TAKE THINGS TO FAR WHEN IT IS MISLED!!

    JUST LIKE THIS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT WENT DOWNHILL DURING THE BUSH RAIN…WAS—- IS IT COMMUNISM TOO?

  • Mr.Papshmer

    ndanielson said:
    Attribute this asinine quote to the brain dead Bev.

    Kids get like that when they leave the confines of their classroom, and find out that not everyone wants to kneel before the lord Obama. Drives ‘em nuts

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Victoria Sallese said:
    Dear God, why is everyone so convinced that Obama is Kenyan? Why is that question so important that some of the above contributors will not discuss anything else? THere is hunger in the US and the world, there are families living out of cars, there is a nuclear disaster in Japan. Why aren’t these problems being discussed? Isn’t it wonderful that your lives are so perfect and nothing affects you except that you don’t like the president, so you come up with an absolutely silly rumor to type about.

    Seriously, do you just get on here from time to time, assume that there’s conservatives talking about Kenya, and beat on the keyboard like a trained monkey? Christ, man where do people like you even come from? Not from my old neighborhood, I’ll tell you that much.

  • ndanielson

    In 2004, his surrogates in the Chicago media managed to get George Ryan’s sealed divorce records, causing Ryan to drop out of the race.

    Later, when Ryan was replaced on the ticket by by Alan Keyes, surprise! it was revealed that Keyes’s teenaged daughter Maya was a homosexual.

    The coward ran on lies, got into office on smears, and is a fraud to the bone. Unless it is socialism that you want, keep pretending that he is nothing but a socialist puppet of his Marxist ideology.

  • ndanielson

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Victoria Sallese said:
    Dear God, why is everyone so convinced that Obama is Kenyan?

    He’s a Kenesian and a Marxist, and that is worse than anything about his place of birth, because his is appealing to the useful idiots who see no harm in Marxist socialism. Up to speed yet, sweetpea?

  • Bev

    ndanielson:
    YOU FORGET THE LIES OF THE ELECTORATE IN FLORIDA?? I WASN’T WRONG, HE WAS NEVER ELECTED NOT DEMOCRATICALLY VOTED FOR IN THE LAST ELECTORAL RUN…… I also know the “republic” thing is true as well….. THE POINT IS HE TOOK THE OFFICE THROUGH CHEATING….

    Victoria Sallese:

    I AGREE

    sarainitaly:

    You can petition to see it. And you may with the Correct Authority and some Government Officials have—Including my associates who are a part of the Vetting and Final Approval of Candidacy for Presidential Candidacy……
    And When you view this nastiness and DON’T get your panties in a bunch—You are Unfeeling and a MISCREANT………… as I said before…..

  • catfishjuggling

    ndanielson said:
    He’s a Kenesian and a Marxist, and that is worse than anything about his place of birth, because his is appealing to the useful idiots who see no harm in Marxist socialism. Up to speed yet, sweetpea?

    Just have some guts and call him the N word already. Don’t peck around it tough guy. Own the racism. Be proud man!

  • ndanielson

    Bev said:
    ndanielson:

    SOOOO EVERY person who believes in this theory is LIKE CARL MARX????
    COMMUNISM IS A FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT CAN TAKE THINGS TO FAR WHEN IT IS MISLED!!

    JUST LIKE THIS DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT WENT DOWNHILL DURING THE BUSH RAIN…WAS—- IS IT COMMUNISM TOO?

    Yes, we finally have someone in all humanity that will do communism right. I get it. Hey, are you BLUEBONNET?

  • Bev

    Kenesian?

    WOW YOU ARRREEEEE D……….U…………M……………….B!

    He isn’t dad is. And Your Mom and Dad’s people PROB aren’t American Either!
    GET YOUR STICK AND HEAD OUT OF YOUR BEHIND!

    socialism and capitalism are both political theories………………. Both can be CREATED INTO A MONSTER and BOTH can be helpful……….

    PEACE

  • ndanielson

    catfishjuggling said:
    Just have some guts and call him the N word already. Don’t peck around it tough guy. Own the racism. Be proud man!

    Bite me. He’s red. At least I can see that, dumbass.

  • felixw

    catfishjuggling said:
    Just have some guts and call him the N word already. Don’t peck around it tough guy. Own the racism. Be proud man!

    It’s well known that “Keynesian” is a code word for the worst kind of racial epithet.

    So maybe Obama should consider Friedman-esque monetarism as an alternative.

  • ndanielson

    Bev said:
    Kenesian?

    WOW YOU ARRREEEEE D……….U…………M……………….B!

    He isn’t dad is. And Your Mom and Dad’s people PROB aren’t American Either!
    GET YOUR STICK AND HEAD OUT OF YOUR BEHIND!

    socialism and capitalism are both political theories………………. Both can be CREATED INTO A MONSTER and BOTH can be helpful……….

    PEACE

    See what this country is up against, folks??? People who are so worthless to this country that the only survival skills they have are relying on the government to tell them and others how to live. They find no problem with socialism!

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Bev said:
    sarainitaly:

    You can petition to see it. And you may with the Correct Authority and some Government Officials have—Including my associates who are a part of the Vetting and Final Approval of Candidacy for Presidential Candidacy……
    And When you view this nastiness and DON’T get your panties in a bunch—You are Unfeeling and a MISCREANT………… as I said before…..

    Bullsh*t.

    If you could petition to see it, we would be able to see it.

    And as unhinged as you are, and irrational, I do not believe you have *friends* who are part of any presidential vetting process. If you knew people that high up, I think you would be locked up somewhere…

    FWIW, I don’t think he was born in Kenya. I do not believe his mother traveled to Kenya to give birth. I just don’t get why he won’t release it.

  • catfishjuggling

    felixw said:
    It’s well known that “Keynesian” is a code word for the worst kind of racial epithet. So maybe Obama should consider Friedman-esque monetarism as an alternative.

    No. “Keynesian” is clearly a reference to John Maynard Keynes. I get that.

    The Marxist BS is just a way to get everyone amped up like he is NAT 14X or something.

    If you took everyone of his policies. EVERY ONE. And put a R after his all, all you geniuses would be on here defending him.

    Really the Obama Presidency is no different from the Bush one (except for maybe some gentler rhetoric).

    I am so supporter. I think he is a failure. I just find you guys sadder.

  • ndanielson

    felixw said:
    It’s well known that “Keynesian” is a code word for the worst kind of racial epithet.

    So maybe Obama should consider Friedman-esque monetarism as an alternative.

    Yes, my bad for misspelling Keynesian. Have you ever seen anything more ignorant than a rabid 0bama supporter? Wow.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    ndanielson said:
    See what this country is up against, folks??? People who are so worthless to this country that the only survival skills they have are relying on the government to tell them and others how to live. They find no problem with socialism!

    Did you ever see this video?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouXB-tvUF4w

  • Mr.Papshmer

    Bev said:
    YOU FORGET THE LIES OF THE ELECTORATE IN FLORIDA?? I WASN’T WRONG, HE WAS NEVER ELECTED NOT DEMOCRATICALLY VOTED FOR IN THE LAST ELECTORAL RUN…… I also know the “republic” thing is true as well….. THE POINT IS HE TOOK THE OFFICE THROUGH CHEATING….

    Seriously, are you a conservative trying to make progressives look really, really stupid? Cuz you’re doing a knock up job, that’s for sure.

  • TheEagle

    Harry Flashman said:
    I recently received this e-mail about this subject. How much is BS I can’t say, but if even a fraction of it holds true, thern it should make any rational human think. It’s a little long, but worth the read…… “Let’s face it. As insignificant as we all are, Someone Whom we went to school with remembers our name or face. Someone Remembers we were the clown, or the dork, or the brain, or the quiet one, or the bully, or something about us. George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. He questioned why no one has yet acknowledged the President was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia — the Class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him. While he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s College class remember him? And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records? NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA ! Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him. Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I Don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia …EVER!” Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that.” Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say In New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a Human Being who ever met him.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or Friends while at Columbia … NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 As a Political Science major in the same class that Barack Hussein Obama Was supposed to have been in. Some other interesting questions.. Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002? Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by Court Order? It is circulating that according to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases… WHAT!! ??? The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut , where he is never reported to have lived. No wonder all his records are sealed!”

    Sorry. My brother went to Columbia back then and knew the President.

  • ndanielson

    catfishjuggling said:
    The Marxist BS is just a way to get everyone amped up like he is NAT 14X or something.

    Marxism is an economic and socio-political worldview that contains within it a political ideology for how to change and improve society by implementing socialism. Originally developed in the early to mid 19th century by two German émigrés living in Britain, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Marxism is based upon a materialist interpretation of history. Taking the idea that social change occurs because of the struggle between different classes within society who are under contradiction one against the other, the Marxist analysis leads to the conclusion that capitalism, the currently dominant form of economic management, leads to the oppression of the proletariat, who not only make up the majority of the world’s populace but who also spend their lives working for the benefit of the bourgeoisie, or the wealthy ruling class in society.

    To correct this inequality between the bourgeoisie, who are the wealthy minority, and the proletariat, who are the poorer majority, Marxism advocates, and believes in the historical inevitability of, a proletarian revolution, when the proletariat take control of government, and then implement reforms to benefit their class, namely the confiscation of private property which is then taken under state control and run for the benefit of the people rather than for the interests of private profit. Such a system is socialism, although Marxists believe that eventually a socialist society would develop into an entirely classless system, which is known as communism in Marxist thought.

    Progressives are always fond of re-naming and re-packaging everything to look so sweet. Check out the Democrat Socialists of America: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/democratic_socialists_of_ameri.html

  • catfishjuggling

    ndanielson said:
    Progressives are always fond of re-naming and re-packaging everything to look so sweet. Check out the Democrat Socialists of America: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/democratic_socialists_of_ameri.html

    You truly may be too stupid to remember to breathe sometimes. I am not supporting Obama. I just think you people are a joke.

  • MT0472

    Yes, I am sure there are quite a few people from Trump’s past willing to come forward and say they remember him, including business associates he cheated, ex-wives and ex-girlfriends, all willing to confirm what an A*****e he is.

  • ndanielson

    TheEagle said:
    Sorry. My brother went to Columbia back then and knew the President.

    Wow, that make 0bama real presidential-worthy. Did he get your brother’s autograph?

  • ndanielson

    MT0472 said:
    Yes, I am sure there are quite a few people from Trump’s past willing to come forward and say they remember him, including business associates he cheated, ex-wives and ex-girlfriends, all willing to confirm what an A*****e he is.

    At least his past is there for all to decide on the available facts.

  • TheEagle

    sarainitaly said:
    Bullsh*t. If you could petition to see it, we would be able to see it. And as unhinged as you are, and irrational, I do not believe you have *friends* who are part of any presidential vetting process. If you knew people that high up, I think you would be locked up somewhere… FWIW, I don’t think he was born in Kenya. I do not believe his mother traveled to Kenya to give birth. I just don’t get why he won’t release it.

    I think the question is why should he have to? No other President is recent history has had to, why should he?

  • TheEagle

    ndanielson said:
    Wow, that make 0bama real presidential-worthy. Did he get your brother’s autograph?

    That’s not the point. I was addressing the other person’s argument that no one who was at Columbia at the time remembered him. That’s just not the truth.

  • ndanielson

    Mediaite is amazing! This very day, we have had someone who has acquaintances that have actually SEEN 0bama’s long form in HI, and someone who’s brother actually rubbed shoulders with him in college! Wow, small world!

  • ndanielson

    TheEagle said:
    I think the question is why should he have to? No other President is recent history has had to, why should he?

    He actually could have prevented a man from going to prison had he manned up.

  • eingriff

    Trump is ignorant of the facts, like the public at large. He would know more if he were more accessible.

    It appears from Dr. Fukino’s statement in April 2009, set out on page 76 of “The Manchurian President”, that Barry was born to U..S. citizens as a natural born U.S. citizen. This necessarily excludes Obama the alien black Luo tribesman, as birth father, contrary to “Dreams from my Father”, Barry’s political manifesto. Probably Barry has been running a minstrel show, neither parent being of recent African origin.

    We can’t know for sure until official legal process – subpoena or search warrant – uncovers the original birth certificate naming Barry’s actual birth parents.

    This enforced public ignorance has gone on far too long.

    As Dr. Rice, Professor Emeritus at Notre Dame Law School says, in calling for congressional investigation of the Obama matter:
    “If it turns out that Obama knew he was ineligible when he campaigned and when he took the oath as President, it could be the biggest political fraud in the history of the world. As long as Obama refuses to disclose the records, speculation will grow and grow without any necessary relation to the truth. The first step toward resolving the issue is full discovery and disclosure of the facts.” See http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-he-or-isnt-he-american-citizen.html

    The real issue with regard to Barry’s eligibility is his acquisition of Indonesian citizenship as a lad. A strong legal case can be made that he can’t be both a U.S. citizen and an Indonesian citizen. The term “natural born Citizen” of the United States In Article II Section 1 of the Constitution subsumes “Citizen”. Barry can’t be a natural born U.S. citizen if not a citizen at all.

    Counterarguments can be made in the course of investigation. Dr. Rice says, “An investigating body must not prejudge the case. Its concern must be, first, to put the facts on the record and then to consider whatever legislation or other remedy might be appropriate in light of those facts.” But without an official inquiry to compel sworn testimony and the production of documents and things, a reasoned judgment can not be made.

    The full message from Dr. Rice follows:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-he-or-isnt-he-american-citizen.html
    THE STEADY DRIP

    CAREFULLY VETTED NEWS, ARTICLES AND ESSAYS! MEDIA WON’T REPORT THE FACTS – WE MUST! – PLEASE SHARE! NOT WHITE HOUSE APPROVED!
    TUESDAY, MARCH 1, 2011
    Is he or Isn’t he an American citizen? – Professor Emeritus at the Law School of Notre Dame University
    It is time for a new approach

    The speculation about President Obama’s eligibility goes on and on, with no reliable access to the truth and with no end in sight. It is time for a new approach.
    The Constitution provides: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.” Art II, Sec. 1. Neither the Constitution nor any federal law defines the term “natural born citizen.” Nor has the Supreme Court provided a definition that covers the questions presented in the Obama case.
    In Minor v. Happersett, in 1875, the Supreme Court, made an incidental reference to the issue: “[N]ew citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization. The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.” 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875).
    The Obama “Fight the Smears” website has published a digital photograph of a short-form “Certification of Live Birth” issued by the Hawaiian Department of Health that lists his place and date of birth as Honolulu on August 4, 1961. At that time, Hawaii’s practice was to issue also a long-form Certificate of Live Birth which contains more information, including the name of the hospital, or address of the place, where the birth occurred; the identity of the physician or other “attendant” at the birth; and the signature of the parent or other ”informant” certifying the accuracy of the information, etc. President Obama has not given the permission required by Hawaiian law for release of that long-form certificate.
    Numerous lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility have been rejected by every court involved, including the Supreme Court of the United States. Some are still pending. The rejections have been based on various grounds, including the plaintiffs’ lack of standing to sue and other specified and unspecified procedural grounds. No court has agreed to decide any of those suits on the merits.
    The lawsuits have presented a bewildering array of claims, including, among others, that: Obama was born, not in Hawaii, but Kenya; if he was born abroad, his mother, an American citizen, was legally too young to confer that citizenship on him at birth; the Hawaiian short-form certification of birth published on the Obama website is a forgery; that short-form certification could have been legally issued in 1961 to certify a birth occurring elsewhere than Hawaii; Obama is ineligible because, wherever he was born, he had dual-citizenship since his father was a British citizen and the British Nationality Act of 1948 made his son a British citizen at birth; Obama identified himself as a foreign student at Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School; when Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, he did so on an Indonesian passport at a time when Indonesian law forbade dual citizenship, etc., etc.
    There is no reason to analyze those lawsuits here in detail. Their lack of success cannot be ascribed simply to a hyper-technical evasion of judicial responsibility. For example, the rule requiring a plaintiff in a federal court proceeding to have a sufficient personal interest, or standing, to bring the suit provides needed assurance that suits will be seriously contested and will seek more than merely advisory opinions. On the other hand, it is fair to say that the Obama controversy involves significant issues of fact and law that deserve some sort of official resolution.
    I suggest no conclusion as to whether Obama is eligible or not. But the citizens whom the media and political pundits dismiss as “birthers” have raised legitimate questions. That legitimacy is fueled by Obama’s curious, even bizarre, refusal to consent to the release of the relevant records. Perhaps there is nothing to the issues raised. Or perhaps there is. This is potentially serious business. If it turns out that Obama knew he was ineligible when he campaigned and when he took the oath as President, it could be the biggest political fraud in the history of the world. As long as Obama refuses to disclose the records, speculation will grow and grow without any necessary relation to the truth. The first step toward resolving the issue is full discovery and disclosure of the facts.
    The courts are not the only entities empowered to deal with such a question. A committee of the House of Representatives could be authorized to conduct an investigation into the eligibility issue. The classic formulation of the Congressional role is Woodrow Wilson’s, in his 1884 book Congressional Government:
    It is the proper duty of a representative body to look diligently into every affair of government and to talk much about what it sees. It is meant to be the eyes and the voice, and to embody the wisdom and will of its constituents. Unless Congress have and use every means of acquainting itself with the acts and the disposition of the administrative agents of the government, the country must be helpless to learn how it is being served; and unless Congress both scrutinize these things and sift them by every form of discussion, the country must remain in embarrassing, crippling ignorance of the very affairs which it is most important that it should understand and direct. The informing function of Congress should be preferred even to its legislative function…[T]he only really self-governing people is that people which discusses and interrogates its administration. (p. 198)
    Wilson later retreated from his affirmation of Congressional supremacy. He said in 1900 that the president, rather than Congress, “is now at the front of affairs.” (Congressional Government, preface to 15th edition, 1900, p. 22.) In his 1908 book Constitutional Government in the United States, four years before he was elected to that office, he described the president as “the political leader of the nation.” (pp. 67ff.) Wilson’s second thoughts on congressional supremacy, however, do not negate Congress” “informing function.” The investigatory power has remained as an essential role of Congress.
    The Constitution nowhere expressly grants to either House of Congress a general power to investigate in aid of legislation, or in aid of overseeing the Executive Branch. However, the Supreme Court has long recognized that such a power is implied as an essential concomitant to Congress’s legislative authority. John E. Nowak and Ronald D. Rotunda, Constitutional Law (2004), 280. See McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135 (1927).
    The investigative power of Congress has multiple purposes. “The ability to gather information has been regarded as a predicate to effective legislation and as important to providing a legislative check on executive actions. The Supreme Court has explained that Congress thus may conduct ”inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws as well as proposed or possibly needed statutes. It includes surveys of defects in our social, economic or political system for the purpose of enabling the Congress to remedy them.” The power to investigate also includes ”probes into departments of the Federal Government to expose corruption, inefficiency or waste”….. The authority to investigate necessarily requires the power to compel testimony.” Erwin Chemerinsky, Constitutional Law (2006), 310. (Internal citations omitted).
    It is difficult to imagine, to borrow Wilson”s phrase, a more pressing “affair of government” than the question of whether a sitting president obtained his office illegally, and perhaps even by fraud. An investigating body must not prejudge the case. Its concern must be, first, to put the facts on the record and then to consider whatever legislation or other remedy might be appropriate in light of those facts.
    The House of Representatives is an appropriate body to inquire into the facts and legal implications of a President’s disputed eligibility for the office. The House itself has a contingent but potentially decisive role in the election of a president. The 12th Amendment to the Constitution governs the counting of the electoral votes as certified by the states:
    The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; — The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
    The power to investigate can be exercised by a House committee provided that the investigation is within that committee’s authorization as determined by the House. An investigation into Obama’s eligibility by a committee or subcommittee of the House could have several legitimate objectives, including among others:
    1. To ascertain the facts, compelling by subpoena the production of all the available records relevant to Obama’s eligibility, including the complete Hawaiian records of his birth; his passport records to ascertain whether he traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on an American or other passport; the records from Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School to determine whether Obama described himself as a foreign student; and such other records as may be relevant. The disclosure of such information to the public would be an appropriate exercise of Congress” “informing function.”
    2. The consideration of legislation to require candidates for a federal elective office to produce, at an appropriate time, evidence of their eligibility for that office. There is now no federal law or regulation that requires such disclosure.
    3. The consideration of legislation to define the constitutional term, “a natural born Citizen.”
    The American people do not know whether the current president achieved election by misrepresenting, innocently or by fraud, his eligibility for that office. I neither know nor suggest the answer to that question. But it would be a public service for the House of Representatives to employ its authority to determine those facts and to recommend any indicated changes in the law or the Constitution.
    Charles E. Rice is professor emeritus at the Law School of Notre Dame University in South Bend IN. He is the author of What Happened to Notre Dame?
    http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=49420&t=Barack+Obama%3A+Is+he+or+Isn't+he+an+American+citizen%3F
    POSTED BY SAM SEWELL AT 12:06 PM

    Every compatriot should support Dr. Rice’s call for congressional investigation by every lawful means possible, and every American official with jurisdiction to investigate should do so.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    TheEagle said:
    I think the question is why should he have to? No other President is recent history has had to, why should he?

    McCain did. Lawsuits were filed claiming that he was ineligible because he was born in the Panama Canal on a base.

    And the life of every other president in recent history is documented through photos, family history and documents. And no other president in history (that I know of) was registered in Indonesia under a different name at school, and hides all their records.

    Why not just put it to rest, if he has nothing to hide?

  • ndanielson

    catfishjuggling said:
    You truly may be too stupid to remember to breathe sometimes. I am not supporting Obama. I just think you people are a joke.

    His supporters are a joke. Here, all this time I thought it was the sympathetic nervous system that kept people breathing. How do you remember to breathe, dummy? No gum chewing?

  • valkyrie101

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Don’t know or care. Trump is irrelevant as a politician.

    But you would take him as President, President Trump, over Obama?

  • ndanielson

    sarainitaly said:
    Why not just put it to rest, if he has nothing to hide?

    Some leader, huh? He got some transparency award this week didn’t he? To go with his Nobel. His appearance in Egypt, and Kaddafi’s camp out haven’t done much for those nations have they.

    Oh, seems the white house thought better of the transparency award: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/150149-white-house-scrubs-obama-transparency-award-ceremony-

    or just the ceremony. Who cares, right?

  • TheEagle

    ndanielson said:
    He actually could have prevented a man from going to prison had he manned up.

    Really? Who?

  • ndanielson

    sarainitaly said:
    Did you ever see this video?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouXB-tvUF4w

    I have now. Aren’t his supporters the brightest America has to offer? Was there ever any doubt?

  • ndanielson

    TheEagle said:
    Really? Who?

    Terry Lakin.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    ndanielson said:
    I have now. Aren’t his supporters the brightest America has to offer? Was there ever any doubt?

    scary, isn’t it?

  • TheEagle

    sarainitaly said:
    McCain did. Lawsuits were filed claiming that he was ineligible because he was born in the Panama Canal on a base. And the life of every other president in recent history is documented through photos, family history and documents. And no other president in history (that I know of) was registered in Indonesia under a different name at school, and hides all their records. Why not just put it to rest, if he has nothing to hide?

    I don’t remember any lawsuits regarding McCain but I do remember that being questioned. But there is a birth certificate that is available on the web. Just go to Google and do a search. There are also birth announcements in two local papers at the time. And there are many pictures of him growing up, with his grandparents, at Columbia, etc. This is just a lot of made up nonsense by people who hate the guy and refuse to accept his at their President.

  • TheEagle

    ndanielson said:
    Terry Lakin.

    And who is Terry Lakin.

  • ndanielson

    sarainitaly said:
    scary, isn’t it?

    His followers are the scariest people in the country. Truly.

  • ndanielson
  • TheEagle

    ndanielson said:
    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/obamas-political-prisoner-lt-col-dr.html

    So this guy refuses to follow orders and somehow the President is to blame. That’s rich.

  • ndanielson

    TheEagle said:
    So this guy refuses to follow orders and somehow the President is to blame. That’s rich.

    Of course all liberals see it that way. That’s even more rich.

  • ndanielson

    TheEagle said:
    So this guy refuses to follow orders and somehow the President is to blame. That’s rich.

    Like I said, dummy, he could have stepped up to the plate and ended it at ANY time before, during and after the trial. But I’m sure it’s a matter of principle with 0bama. Only 0bama.

  • ndanielson

    TheEagle said:
    And who is Terry Lakin.

    See, it really didn’t matter who it was? 0bama can do no wrong. We get it. His leadership is exemplary, brave, and strongly principled. I predicted your response, in tone, and attitude. To a “T”. Amazing, huh?

  • Garth

    Now we know that Donald Trump is mentally unstable. As is his hair.

  • Ronald Rump (aka The Ronald)

    Garth said:
    Now we know that Donald Trump is mentally unstable. As is his hair.

    Hey,

    I resemble that remark.

  • Garth

    You know, the Donald has always thought highly of the little guy. And there are no smaller human beings on the planet than the tea-baggers.

  • Nationman

    ndanielson said:
    Of course all liberals see it that way. That’s even more rich.

    if a soldiers said something akin to this under bush what would be your response? you’re movement is so mired in hypocrisy you have to ignore the double standards that are presented.

  • Nationman

    ndanielson said:
    Like I said, dummy, he could have stepped up to the plate and ended it at ANY time before, during and after the trial. But I’m sure it’s a matter of principle with 0bama. Only 0bama.

    And then what? you morons question the type used on the birthcertificate? “That’s times new roman, That wasn’t invented yet!”

  • Nationman

    sarainitaly said:
    McCain did. Lawsuits were filed claiming that he was ineligible because he was born in the Panama Canal on a base. P>

    do you have an article for this? I’d actually like to look into it.

  • Ronald Rump (aka The Ronald)

    Liberal Tormentor said:
    I’m not a birther, but Trump makes some good points. There is ALOT of secrecy surrounding BO. To bad the liberal media refused to do its job. Where are the college transcripts Barack?

    Yeah
    There’s a supporter.

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Kinda like liberals who pander to inner city sleeze and welfare mamas. Without the votes of ignorant leeches, the dems would’ve faded years ago.

    Yes
    Ignorant leeching inner city sleaze and welfare mamas.
    Gotta remember that one.

    TampopoLoco said:
    And the Donald makes his move into the presidential fray with a birther blast. LOL! This will be the worst Republican field EVER to run for president.

    YOUR FIRED!

    Colorado_Conservative said:

    List of records Obama continues to hide from the American people:

    ALRIGHT CC
    You can be my statictician.

    Dookiestix said:
    To all you ignorant birthers out there, including the idiot millionaire Donald Trump:
    GET A FRIGGIN LIFE!!!!
    Seriously, WTF is WRONG with you people?

    WT?
    How did this guy get in here?

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    Kinda like liberals who pander to inner city sleeze and welfare mamas. Without the votes of ignorant leeches, the dems would’ve faded years ago.

    I LOVE THAT ONE.

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    As I’ve said many times, no, I think it’s a distraction from his college papers. If he was as radical in his youth as most believe, some of the stuff he wrote may be pretty damning.

    Yep – If the birth certifcate doesn’t show he’s foreign, then we’ll make fun of his college homework.
    HeHeHe

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    I think there are already 16 States in the process of introducing bills requiring proof of citizenship for Candidates before their name will be put on the ballot.
    Like I said, all it will take is ONE to be Obamas Waterloo!

    I love ABBA

    catfishjuggling said:
    Our certificates of life birth.
    Finally, and I ask this honestly of all of you, if what you people are saying about the President is true, what does it say about the security apparatus in this country.
    You are saying that the military turned over the code to blow up everyone to someone whom they knew was not allowed to be President. You are saying that NO ONE in the upper levels of our military or security services would have found this out? None of them????
    At a minimum you are saying that the military is completely and totally inedpt. At most, you are saying that they are all guilty of treason.
    Crazy talk.

    Hey Hey Hey now
    Someone is going to hear you.

    sarainitaly said:
    Perhaps because he never legally changed it back, and he went to law school, etc. using a *fake name*. Just a guess.
    Why is he hiding his long form BC?

    Cool.

    She paid no attention to that catfish guy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Jones/1384303476 Chris Jones

    It’s pretty cynical even for The Donald to start pandering to the Birthers. I also thought it was pretty slick willy of George to tie the Birthers to the Tea Party. Speaking as a right wing hate monger (who hates “working people” and baby seals) I can honestly say I don’t know any Birthers. The only time I hear about Birthers is from Chris Matthews. It’s fringe nonsense like the 9/11 Truthers.

    Even though I know he was born in Hawaii, I do agree with Trump that it’s strange how invisible Obama was during his college days. Also, why does he still refuse to release his college records? Why are they sealed. I can’t think of another president who refused to let the public see his college transcripts. What is he hiding?

  • Ronald Rump (aka The Ronald)

    ndanielson said:
    I have now. Aren’t his supporters the brightest America has to offer? Was there ever any doubt?

    sarainitaly said:
    scary, isn’t it?

    Yeah Like my friend Pappa Smear said
    inner city sleeze and welfare mamas

    _-_-_-_-__–__–__

    Sorry I had to shudder

  • screwauger

    catfishjuggling said:
    Finally, and I ask this honestly of all of you, if what you people are saying about the President is true, what does it say about the security apparatus in this country.

    You are saying that the military turned over the code to blow up everyone to someone whom they knew was not allowed to be President. You are saying that NO ONE in the upper levels of our military or security services would have found this out? None of them????

    At a minimum you are saying that the military is completely and totally inedpt. At most, you are saying that they are all guilty of treason.

    Crazy talk.

    If you have not seen the fear and complete avoidance of the truth by both sides of the isle based on fear of being labeled racist or based on political correctness, I can not tell you anything new. I can tell you that the Salahi’s getting into the WH and multiple other secret service and administrative bunglings are due in large part to the above. No one dares raise a ruckus about any of it.

    The truth will come out one day. There are folks in the know who are afeared to say anything. We see the machine that is the radical left and who in their right mind wants to go up against that. Choose your battles and such. Man, wake up. Big picture and all, how can you not see it?

  • Dem4Ever

    BO needs to just come clean. Everyone knows the truth. He’s not fooling anybody. Come on Mr. President…man up. Stop being a punk.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    valkyrie101 said:
    But you would take him as President, President Trump, over Obama?

    Homes, I would take Master Shake over that dishonorable chunk of leftist garbage.

  • clementsbayside

    Quite frankly, I don’t care how may times he’s been married or how ugly his hair is, all I want to hear is Obama you piece of $#%$@, your fired!!!! I have always thought his past was fishy, I just hope someone will do something about this so we don’t have to pay Obama and his family for the rest of thier lifes.

  • Rush Gingrich

    ndanielson said:
    Progressives are always fond of re-naming and re-packaging everything to look so sweet. Check out the Democrat Socialists of America: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/democratic_socialists_of_ameri.html

    Wow
    A Right wing blog teaching us DSA

    catfishjuggling said:
    You truly may be too stupid to remember to breathe sometimes. I am not supporting Obama. I just think you people are a joke.

    HA
    Good one

    catfishjuggling said:
    Just have some guts and call him the N word already. Don’t peck around it tough guy. Own the racism. Be proud man!

    Just own up man

  • nutsofast

    screwauger said:
    The truth will come out one day. There are folks in the know who are afeared to say anything. We see the machine that is the radical left and who in their right mind wants to go up against that. Choose your battles and such. Man, wake up. Big picture and all, how can you not see it?

    Whoooooah

    I DO

    pfffffft
    pfffffft

    I see what your’e sayin man

    pffffft
    pffffft

    Did you ever notice when you walk closer to the TV the picture gets “bigger”

    pfffft

  • TheEagle

    ndanielson said:
    See, it really didn’t matter who it was? 0bama can do no wrong. We get it. His leadership is exemplary, brave, and strongly principled. I predicted your response, in tone, and attitude. To a “T”. Amazing, huh?

    ndanielson said:
    Like I said, dummy, he could have stepped up to the plate and ended it at ANY time before, during and after the trial. But I’m sure it’s a matter of principle with 0bama. Only 0bama.

    ndanielson said:
    Of course all liberals see it that way. That’s even more rich.

    Has nothing to do with the President doing no wrong. It is about this guy refusing to follow orders and using a lame excuse. If he had refused to follow orders 8 years ago and gave the excuse that he didn’t think Bush was legitimate because he lost the popular vote, I would say the same.

  • ganymede

    President The Donald. While not quite on the level of Palin, this is one of the better jokes currently making the rounds. I work in real estate in New York City and have met The Donald on a few occasions and I can tell you he ain’t presidential timber. He’s a clever clunkhead and publicity hound who had a big head start in life through this family’s real estate business. While nowhere near the level of Mayor Bloomberg, he is also, like Bloomberg a definite RINO. Basically, he’s doing this to further his real estate interests.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    ganymede said:
    I work in real estate in New York City and have met The Donald on a few occasions

    He was telling you which carpet to shampoo, eh?

  • Alz

    One theory is that Obama’s birth certificate does exist, but that either “white” is checked or that his name is “Barry”. In other words, it’s more of an embarrassment issue.

    I understand that some States give out Certificates of Birth to people who are citizens but born elsewhere.

    From what I can tell, he was born here. He should just release it and get it over with.

  • Davo

    I usually like to read all previous posts on a thread before commenting, but got here too late to take the time on this one.

    Trump has flaws. Guess what…………EVERYONE has flaws. Right now America desperately needs some leadership to get us turned back “toward the light” and away for the debilitating darkness of Liberalism that has brought this great nation to our present state of humiliation and depression. Donald Trump MAY be that leader.

    If Trump runs, I will give him a sincere look-over, and possibly my vote. Other than Trump, I just don’t see anyone with the leadership skills that I can see beating Hussein and the Marxist regime he’s built in our nation’s capital.

  • Alz

    Davo said:
    I usually like to read all previous posts on a thread before commenting, but got here too late to take the time on this one.

    Trump has flaws. Guess what…………EVERYONE has flaws. Right now America desperately needs some leadership to get us turned back “toward the light” and away for the debilitating darkness of Liberalism that has brought this great nation to our present state of humiliation and depression. Donald Trump MAY be that leader.

    If Trump runs, I will give him a sincere look-over, and possibly my vote. Other than Trump, I just don’t see anyone with the leadership skills that I can see beating Hussein and the Marxist regime he’s built in our nation’s capital.

    Yes. But I would say that Trump can ADD to the whole discussion of our future by focusing on the things he knows the best. In other words, he can be very effective at forcing Obama and the Liberals to answer to their insane spending. He can change the discussion. There are only so many stories that the liberals can keep in the air – even the media will have trouble keeping it all straight.

    The birther stuff gives the Left an opening to brand him. It’s much better if Trump stays on a better course.

  • GlennBovineKoldys

    Billdo and the Baboon are not birfhers.

    But the Donald, being the master media whore that he is, went right for it.

    Oily Tits and the Donald sitting in rusky hair salon…

  • X-3

    Harry Flashman said:
    I recently received this e-mail about this subject. How much is BS I can’t say, but if even a fraction of it holds true, thern it should make any rational human think. It’s a little long, but worth the read…… “Let’s face it. As insignificant as we all are, Someone Whom we went to school with remembers our name or face. Someone Remembers we were the clown, or the dork, or the brain, or the quiet one, or the bully, or something about us. George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. He questioned why no one has yet acknowledged the President was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia — the Class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him. While he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s College class remember him? And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records? NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA ! Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him. Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I Don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia …EVER!” Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that.” Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say In New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a Human Being who ever met him.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or Friends while at Columbia … NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 As a Political Science major in the same class that Barack Hussein Obama Was supposed to have been in. Some other interesting questions.. Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002? Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by Court Order? It is circulating that according to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases… WHAT!! ??? The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut , where he is never reported to have lived. No wonder all his records are sealed!”

    GOLDEN and worth repeating a thousand times.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly
  • Nationman

    sarainitaly said:
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mccain+challenged+on+eligibility+lawsuit http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=127362http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/born-usa/

    already googled it didn’t find anything about a court case or the release of his birthcertificate to the public. All I saw was that he showed it to one washington post reporter per the articles you gave me.

  • Nationman

    Davo said:
    I usually like to read all previous posts on a thread before commenting, but got here too late to take the time on this one. Trump has flaws. Guess what…………EVERYONE has flaws. Right now America desperately needs some leadership to get us turned back “toward the light” and away for the debilitating darkness of Liberalism that has brought this great nation to our present state of humiliation and depression. Donald Trump MAY be that leader. If Trump runs, I will give him a sincere look-over, and possibly my vote. Other than Trump, I just don’t see anyone with the leadership skills that I can see beating Hussein and the Marxist regime he’s built in our nation’s capital.

    Let’s go bankruptcy!

  • MrTPar_taY

    Ronald Rump (aka The Ronald) said:
    Yeah Like my friend Pappa Smear said
    inner city sleeze and welfare mamas

    _-_-_-_-__–__–__

    Sorry I had to shudder

    Administer Kaopectate vociferously.

  • Nationman

    Mr.Papshmer said:
    He was telling you which carpet to shampoo, eh?

    didn’t he have to sell that carpet in 2009 after going bankrupt?

  • catfishjuggling

    I really am fascinated by the idea of Trump as the nominee of the Republicans. And I swear, I am not trying to stir up the pot here. This is my honest view.

    The Republicans seem to be a party that is an alliance between two groups: the social conservatives and the fiscal ones.

    So Trump, with his three marriages and his history of affairs should immediately turn off the social conservatives.

    Trump has run several businesses into the ground and just recently took his hotels through bankruptcy. That should (but maybe won’t) turn of the fiscal convervatives.

    My bet is that like everything else with Trump this is a vanity play. What I would love to see if he ran are his tax returns (which, like everyone else, he would be pressured to do). The rumor for years is that he really isn’t worth nearly as much as he wants people to believe.

    So the question would be: Would being not–Obama be enough to get the Republican base out to vote for Trump?

    THIS IS A DEVELOPING STORY!

  • MrTPar_taY

    catfishjuggling said:
    I really am fascinated by the idea of Trump as the nominee of the Republicans. And I swear, I am not trying to stir up the pot here. This is my honest view.

    The Republicans seem to be a party that is an alliance between two groups: the social conservatives and the fiscal ones.

    So Trump, with his three marriages and his history of affairs should immediately turn off the social conservatives.

    Trump has run several businesses into the ground and just recently took his hotels through bankruptcy. That should (but maybe won’t) turn of the fiscal convervatives.

    My bet is that like everything else with Trump this is a vanity play. What I would love to see if he ran are his tax returns (which, like everyone else, he would be pressured to do). The rumor for years is that he really isn’t worth nearly as much as he wants people to believe.

    So the question would be: Would being not–Obama be enough to get the Republican base out to vote for Trump?

    THIS IS A DEVELOPING STORY!

    The Republicans can the run the D.C. dogcatcher for 2012 and I think even the Libs will vote to kick out this bum-Cheney, Palin, Elizabeth Dole! Who cares? If they show up they get our vote.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Alz said:
    One theory is that Obama’s birth certificate does exist, but that either “white” is checked or that his name is “Barry”. In other words, it’s more of an embarrassment issue.

    I understand that some States give out Certificates of Birth to people who are citizens but born elsewhere.

    From what I can tell, he was born here. He should just release it and get it over with.

    Alz,

    “24 percent of Republicans believe that “he may be the Antichrist” (there’s even a youtube video on the topic), a belief held by 14 percent of Americans total.”

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/03/24/party-of-nuts-poll-shows-gop-thinks-obama-is-muslim-socialist

    If a QUARTER OF REPUBLICANS believe President Obama is the son of Satan, exactly what type of “birth certificate” is going to satisfy them?

    –Cobra

  • Alz

    Cobra said:
    Alz,

    “24 percent of Republicans believe that “he may be the Antichrist” (there’s even a youtube video on the topic), a belief held by 14 percent of Americans total.”

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/03/24/party-of-nuts-poll-shows-gop-thinks-obama-is-muslim-socialist

    If a QUARTER OF REPUBLICANS believe President Obama is the son of Satan, exactly what type of “birth certificate” is going to satisfy them?

    –Cobra

    That was an online poll – highly questionable results.

  • eingriff

    TheEagle said “Really? Who?”

    LTC Terry Lakin.

    Obama encouraged the Kenyan birth myth, originally concocted to cover Stanley Ann Dunham’s absence from the island during the gestation and birth of bastard Barry. Her absence from the island was to conceal the fact she wasn’t pregnant.

    Obama further claimed Obama the alien Luo as birth father.

    Obama thus created the false impression that he was born abroad, the son of an alien. Either would have rendered him ineligible.

    Obama refused to release his original birth certificate, which would have disclosed he was born in the U.S.A. to two U.S. citizen parents.

    Relying on the false case of ineligibility created by Obama, Lakin reasonably concluded his orders did not come from duly constituted authority and were therefore unlawful; he was tricked into insubordination by Obama’s refusal to release his original birth certificate. If he had, Lakin would have obeyed.

  • Davo

    Alz said:
    Yes. But I would say that Trump can ADD to the whole discussion of our future by focusing on the things he knows the best. In other words, he can be very effective at forcing Obama…………..

    I don’ t think anyone including Trump will force Hussein into any direction other than the one he’s chosen in breaking America’s back economically. But I agree Trump would be better served to stay on the topics that America faces that threaten our existence.

    Nationman said:
    Let’s go bankruptcy!

    Being a Liberal, you wouldn’t understand that America is and has been in a state of bankruptcy………………by definition. Better to have someone familiar with working out of bankrupt than a Marxist ideologue with no experience other than community agitation.

    Notice the tone of this thread? DIMS focus their discussion on the “game” of a presidential election hoping to trash any opponent who dares challenge their star player. Conservatives focus on America’s hopelessness sans good leadership and discuss the merits of prospective leaders. The scary thing is that DIMS don’t even seem to notice.

  • TrollJuice

    I wouldn’t worry about the Republicans nominating Trump. He is disqualified by being from New York City, which is not part of the US as far as most Republican primary voters are concerned.

    By the way, his mother was from Scotland and I have no idea if she was naturalized when he was born. Even if she was, unless she formally renounced her UK citizenship (very unlikely) then Donald could be eligible for UK citizenship.

  • http://politicallyincorrectlibertarian.wordpress.com PoliticallyIncorrectLibertarian

    Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review, so where are the articles he wrote? Did he write any? What about his college transcript? We know Bush was a c-student (big freaking deal, IMO), so was Obama an A-student? We don’t know. Trump is 100% right and anyone who denies it might as well deny that the grass is green and the sky is blue.

    http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com

  • catfishjuggling

    Here is an interesting wrinkle for you crazy people.

    Trump’s mother wasn’t American.

    So all that Obama was a UK citizen crap that I keep hearing?

    Yeah, same deal for Trump crazies.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2098500/Donald-Trump-flies-to-Western-Isles-to-visit-mothers-home.html

    WHERE IS YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE DONALD???????

  • Alz

    Davo said:
    I don’ t think anyone including Trump will force Hussein into any direction other than the one he’s chosen in breaking America’s back economically. But I agree Trump would be better served to stay on the topics that America faces that threaten our existence.

    Being a Liberal, you wouldn’t understand that America is and has been in a state of bankruptcy………………by definition. Better to have someone familiar with working out of bankrupt than a Marxist ideologue with no experience other than community agitation.

    Notice the tone of this thread? DIMS focus their discussion on the “game” of a presidential election hoping to trash any opponent who dares challenge their star player. Conservatives focus on America’s hopelessness sans good leadership and discuss the merits of prospective leaders. The scary thing is that DIMS don’t even seem to notice.

    You’re right.

    It’s not about forcing Obama to do anything, but about forcing the fiscal issues to the surface so the independents can get more information.

  • Steve_27

    Unless there is something in the link I didn’t see, Trump doesn’t seem to be saying anything about BO’s citizenship. But only that “it’s very strange” that he seems to be unkown untill later on in life, as opposed to himself where many would be able to remember and refer to him.

    So again, we have an hysterical headline trying to minimize Trump as some conspiracy theorist while in reality he is stating, not only a simple fact but one that people should find alarming. Even if a couple of years late.

  • Steve_27

    Davo said:
    I don’ t think anyone including Trump will force Hussein into any direction other than the one he’s chosen in breaking America’s back economically. But I agree Trump would be better served to stay on the topics that America faces that threaten our existence. Being a Liberal, you wouldn’t understand that America is and has been in a state of bankruptcy………………by definition. Better to have someone familiar with working out of bankrupt than a Marxist ideologue with no experience other than community agitation. Notice the tone of this thread? DIMS focus their discussion on the “game” of a presidential election hoping to trash any opponent who dares challenge their star player. Conservatives focus on America’s hopelessness sans good leadership and discuss the merits of prospective leaders. The scary thing is that DIMS don’t even seem to notice.

    Excellent articualtion. Thank you.

  • Rush Gingrich

    Cobra said:
    Alz,

    “24 percent of Republicans believe that “he may be the Antichrist” (there’s even a youtube video on the topic), a belief held by 14 percent of Americans total.”

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/03/24/party-of-nuts-poll-shows-gop-thinks-obama-is-muslim-socialist

    If a QUARTER OF REPUBLICANS believe President Obama is the son of Satan, exactly what type of “birth certificate” is going to satisfy them?

    –Cobra

    Now thats funny.

    Because its true
    and very very sad

  • Steve_27

    Harry Flashman said:
    I recently received this e-mail about this subject. How much is BS I can’t say, but if even a fraction of it holds true, thern it should make any rational human think. It’s a little long, but worth the read…… “Let’s face it. As insignificant as we all are, Someone Whom we went to school with remembers our name or face. Someone Remembers we were the clown, or the dork, or the brain, or the quiet one, or the bully, or something about us. George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. He questioned why no one has yet acknowledged the President was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia — the Class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him. While he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s College class remember him? And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records? NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA ! Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him. Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I Don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia …EVER!” Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that.” Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say In New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a Human Being who ever met him.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or Friends while at Columbia … NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 As a Political Science major in the same class that Barack Hussein Obama Was supposed to have been in. Some other interesting questions.. Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002? Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by Court Order? It is circulating that according to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases… WHAT!! ??? The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut , where he is never reported to have lived. No wonder all his records are sealed!”

    I’m blown away that this is being ignored by the left wing droolers on this site. I think Skyfet with his i.q. of 11 chimed in, proving the i.q. of 11 guess, but other then that, not much doing. Quite amazing. Actually, blunt “Shut the fuck” up’s are 100% justified to all liberals untill they have something for this one.

    I’m in agreement with the 24 to 6 thumbs up. Good post Flashman.

  • Steve_27

    So lets get this straight, the same people who think Bush blew up the World Trade Center think that the subject of BO’s birth certificate is a waste of time?

    Liberalism at it’s best. What else can ya say?

  • WHarropson

    Did all of my posts get purged from this thread? Did I hurt someone’s feelers? I’m sure I posted a few.

  • ndanielson

    And then there’s this:

    Does President Obama Have a Bogus Social Security Number?
    From Jack Cashill:

    “All I can say,” says Daniels of 042-68-4425, “is that it’s phony and [Obama] has been using it, with it first appearing on his selective service document in 1980.”

    Daniels sent me a copy of the hand-written application of the individual who held the number immediately before Obama’s, 042-68-4424. The applicant, Thomas Wood, died at age nineteen which is why his information is available.

    Wood’s Social Security number was issued sometime between March and May of 1977. Obama would turn sixteen in August of that year. Woods lived on Glenview Drive in Newington, Connecticut, the state from which all “042s” applied. Obama lived in Hawaii.

    True to form, the left-leaning media set out to undermine the Social Security controversy and ridicule the investigators. Revealing, however, is the weakness of the response.”

    Interesting…

  • ndanielson

    Rush Gingrich said:
    If a QUARTER OF REPUBLICANS believe President Obama is the son of Satan, exactly what type of “birth certificate” is going to satisfy them?

    –Cobra

    !00% of liberal clowns think that he walks on water, dummy.

  • WHarropson

    WHarropson said:
    Did all of my posts get purged from this thread? Did I hurt someone’s feelers? I’m sure I posted a few.

    I didnt realize there are two versions of this, my comments are on the Matthews version. That paranoia again.

  • im_lovin_it

    If I were Obama I would never release a damn thing. Let all the crazies run around and be crazy. There’s always fun political conspiracy theories, but this one has really sunk its claws in pretty deep. Just like Huckabee, Trump has to pay the crazy tax. Too bad that crazy tax is going to be a little costly in the general election.

  • ndanielson

    im_lovin_it said:
    If I were Obama I would never release a damn thing.

    Wow, then maybe you are 0bama.

  • Nationman

    Davo said:
    I don’ t think anyone including Trump will force Hussein into any direction other than the one he’s chosen in breaking America’s back economically. But I agree Trump would be better served to stay on the topics that America faces that threaten our existence. Being a Liberal, you wouldn’t understand that America is and has been in a state of bankruptcy………………by definition. Better to have someone familiar with working out of bankrupt than a Marxist ideologue with no experience other than community agitation. Notice the tone of this thread? DIMS focus their discussion on the “game” of a presidential election hoping to trash any opponent who dares challenge their star player. Conservatives focus on America’s hopelessness sans good leadership and discuss the merits of prospective leaders. The scary thing is that DIMS don’t even seem to notice.

    the fact that as you have stated you will pick anyone over barack obama sort of negates your point about conservatives focusing on the real issues facing the country. You’re focusing on getting a president out of office, that’s about it.

  • Nationman

    ndanielson said:
    And then there’s this: Interesting…

    I take it all of that garbage was from your favorite right wing blog site because the left wing media can’t be trusted lol.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    ndanielson said:
    !00% of liberal clowns think that he walks on water, dummy.

    “Dummy?” You’re the one who has this time machine-Manchurian-candidate-birther crap pumping from your keyboard.
    I mean, it’s not that I don’t understand WHY conservatives are collectively losing their minds over Obama. He not only won the Presidency, but received the MOST VOTES IN US HISTORY doing so. Indisputable facts means you have to resort to other wing-nut-tin-foil-hat conspiracy theories because the hell your minds apparently live in froze over November 2008 when a Black Democrat womped you by 7 points.

    –Cobra

    I’m surprised half of you aren’t in therapy right now.

  • Steve_27

    If it’s true that we dont know, then why would people be crazy to want to know?

    Good luck getting out of this box.

  • Steve_27

    Nationman said:
    the fact that as you have stated you will pick anyone over barack obama sort of negates your point about conservatives focusing on the real issues facing the country. You’re focusing on getting a president out of office, that’s about it.

    Is it possible Davo feels BO is wrong and a disaster on EVERY issue? Hence justifying ANYONE else?

  • Steve_27

    im_lovin_it said:
    If I were Obama I would never release a damn thing. Let all the crazies run around and be crazy. There’s always fun political conspiracy theories, but this one has really sunk its claws in pretty deep. Just like Huckabee, Trump has to pay the crazy tax. Too bad that crazy tax is going to be a little costly in the general election.

    If it’s true that we dont know, then why would people be crazy to want to know?

    Good luck getting out of this box.

  • Alz

    Cobra said:
    “Dummy?” You’re the one who has this time machine-Manchurian-candidate-birther crap pumping from your keyboard.
    I mean, it’s not that I don’t understand WHY conservatives are collectively losing their minds over Obama. He not only won the Presidency, but received the MOST VOTES IN US HISTORY doing so. Indisputable facts means you have to resort to other wing-nut-tin-foil-hat conspiracy theories because the hell your minds apparently live in froze over November 2008 when a Black Democrat womped you by 7 points.

    –Cobra

    I’m surprised half of you aren’t in therapy right now.

    …and as we can see from the polls, many people feel that Obama misled them. Have you looked at his poll number lately amongst voters?

    When Obama talked about “change”, people expected he would work to make things better. He lied. Instead, he’s working to make everyone “equal” – equally poor.

    When Obama talks about hope, what he means is that we are to hope that things don’t get too bad.

  • Nationman

    Steve_27 said:
    Is it possible Davo feels BO is wrong and a disaster on EVERY issue? Hence justifying ANYONE else?

    yes he’s a closed minded partisan who’s never been able to think outside of the talking points of conservative talk show hosts not someone focused on helping the situation out in america.

  • Nationman

    Steve_27 said:
    So lets get this straight, the same people who think Bush blew up the World Trade Center think that the subject of BO’s birth certificate is a waste of time? Liberalism at it’s best. What else can ya say?

    who said anything about the 9/11 garbage? it was an outside job, what of it?

  • Steve_27

    Then good for you my friend!

    If you feel that way then my post simply dont apply to you. Right?

  • Steve_27

    Nationman said:
    yes he’s a closed minded partisan who’s never been able to think outside of the talking points of conservative talk show hosts not someone focused on helping the situation out in america.

    On this one, NOT so good. It ignores what I put to you and your opinion is bland. Try again.

  • Colorado_Conservative

    “The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide” ~ Barack Hussein Obama

    How fitting of our incompetent community organizer!!!

    He must have something politically devastating to hide to justify spending millions to conceal a
    $20.00 document.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Alz said:
    …and as we can see from the polls, many people feel that Obama misled them. Have you looked at his poll number lately amongst voters?

    When Obama talked about “change”, people expected he would work to make things better. He lied. Instead, he’s working to make everyone “equal” – equally poor.

    When Obama talks about hope, what he means is that we are to hope that things don’t get too bad.

    “Make things better” HOW?

    Why are you conservatives so VAGUE in what you actually WANT. Spell it out. When George W. Bush was President, you GOT:
    1) Multiple Tax Cuts
    2) Two Wars in the Middle East
    3) Net Job LOSSES
    4) A Recession.

    Those are facts. That’s what you got for 8 years of Bush If you’re saying America would be better off by getting

    1) More Wars in the Middle East
    2) More Job Loses (GOP budget plan)
    3) More Recession.

    Then I can SEE why you hate Obama so much. But PLEASE spell out to me what you actually WANT, and WHY based on history, you think it’s good for America.

    –Cobra

  • Alz

    Cobra said:
    “Make things better” HOW?

    Why are you conservatives so VAGUE in what you actually WANT. Spell it out. When George W. Bush was President, you GOT:
    1) Multiple Tax Cuts
    2) Two Wars in the Middle East
    3) Net Job LOSSES
    4) A Recession.

    Those are facts. That’s what you got for 8 years of Bush If you’re saying America would be better off by getting

    1) More Wars in the Middle East
    2) More Job Loses (GOP budget plan)
    3) More Recession.

    Then I can SEE why you hate Obama so much. But PLEASE spell out to me what you actually WANT, and WHY based on history, you think it’s good for America.

    –Cobra

    - Bush was not very Conservative. Obama is far worse.

    - The tax RATE cuts helped people. The bigger government did not and it’s making things especially worse now that the Democrats are making it so much bigger.

    - Bush id okay on jobs. The real job losses accelerated once it became clear that Obama would win. Look at the October+ numbers.

    - Obama is extending the recession just like FDR did. It will take leadership to cut spending and work towards growth before we can get out of this. With Obama and Liberals, it’s a Depression as far as the eye can see.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Alz said:
    - Bush was not very Conservative. Obama is far worse.

    What’s you definition of “conservative?” Why is it that when a Republican makes a mistake or performs poorly he “wasn’t conservative enough?”

    Alz said:
    - The tax RATE cuts helped people.

    Sure did. It helped the Haves have MORE.

    “Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.
    Skip to next paragraph

    The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, also shows that tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.

    Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html

    Alz said:
    - Bush id okay on jobs. The real job losses accelerated once it became clear that Obama would win. Look at the October+ numbers.

    What are you talking about? You’re blaming job losses in 2008….on Senator Barack Obama? Maybe you want to look at what REALLY happened with President Bush and job creation….from the Wall Street Journal:

    “President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

    His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton‘s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office…..

    …Because the size of the economy and labor force varies, we also calculate in percentage terms how much the total payroll count expanded under each president. The current President Bush, once taking account how long he’s been in office, shows the worst track record for job creation since the government began keeping records.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

    Alz said:
    - Obama is extending the recession just like FDR did. It will take leadership to cut spending and work towards growth before we can get out of this. With Obama and Liberals, it’s a Depression as far as the eye can see.

    Oh really? Maybe you don’t read the financial pages lately but….

    “Spurred by consumer spending and a shrinking trade deficit, the economy grew at a 3.2% annual rate in the fourth quarter. That beats the previous quarter’s 2.6% but falls short of analysts’ expectations of 3.5%. Still, “a number above 3% should drive a stake through the heart of anyone who still thought that the economy was headed for a double-dip recession,” said the chief strategist at Federated Investors. Fourth-quarter consumer spending grew at its fastest pace in almost 5 years, with an annual rate of 4.4%—nearly double the previous quarter’s figure, the New York Times reports.”

    http://www.newser.com/story/110800/economy-grew-at-32-rate-in-q4.html

    ….if your economy is GROWING….you’re no longer in a “recession.”

    –Cobra

  • Rockycomet

    Yeah sure! That’s why I lost my job 10 months before the end of Bush’s leaving office and watched the company down size its whole manufacturing line and only recovered that loss one year into Obama’s term. The tax cuts didn’t significantly do much for me either I got to go out for dinner a couple times and buy a few more groceries I didn’t really have to get, his rich friends now that must have been a windfall for them. Obama didn’t have a balance budget when he took office. The spending he was forced to commit to was a direct result of Bush’s bumbling incompetence. I’m no Obama fan but I am definitely not going to blame him for what Bush set into motion.
    Let’s say the ugly truth birther’s are praying happens and that Obama isn’t eligible and leaves office what then? You would all celebrate his demise and be really, really happy to have Biden as POTUS. We would no doubt see a new round of insanity and still no effort to get bi-partisan solutions enacted.

  • Alz

    Cobra said:
    What’s you definition of “conservative?” Why is it that when a Republican makes a mistake or performs poorly he “wasn’t conservative enough?”

    Sure did. It helped the Haves have MORE.

    “Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.
    Skip to next paragraph

    The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, also shows that tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.

    Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html

    What are you talking about? You’re blaming job losses in 2008….on Senator Barack Obama? Maybe you want to look at what REALLY happened with President Bush and job creation….from the Wall Street Journal:

    “President George W. Bush entered office in 2001 just as a recession was starting, and is preparing to leave in the middle of a long one. That’s almost 22 months of recession during his 96 months in office.

    His job-creation record won’t look much better. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton‘s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office…..

    …Because the size of the economy and labor force varies, we also calculate in percentage terms how much the total payroll count expanded under each president. The current President Bush, once taking account how long he’s been in office, shows the worst track record for job creation since the government began keeping records.”
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

    Oh really? Maybe you don’t read the financial pages lately but….

    “Spurred by consumer spending and a shrinking trade deficit, the economy grew at a 3.2% annual rate in the fourth quarter. That beats the previous quarter’s 2.6% but falls short of analysts’ expectations of 3.5%. Still, “a number above 3% should drive a stake through the heart of anyone who still thought that the economy was headed for a double-dip recession,” said the chief strategist at Federated Investors. Fourth-quarter consumer spending grew at its fastest pace in almost 5 years, with an annual rate of 4.4%—nearly double the previous quarter’s figure, the New York Times reports.”

    http://www.newser.com/story/110800/economy-grew-at-32-rate-in-q4.html

    ….if your economy is GROWING….you’re no longer in a “recession.”

    –Cobra

    You leave out some huge details regarding who pays taxes. The bottom 47% of households don’t pay federal taxes. So how COULD they get a cut???? Duh.

    The top 1% pay about as much as the bottom 95%.

    Any study that ignores these facts isn’t very useful in terms of thinking about policy – and what is right.

    As for job losses, they did accelerate when it became clear that Obama would win – months before Obama was actually in office.

    And yes Bush spent us to death, but Obama’s answer is to spend more money that we don’t have and you still blame Bush? Obama is far, far worse AND he’s so anti-business that it’s taking forever to recover.

    GDP growth includes the massive phony money being put into the system. In other words, a portion of it is an illusion or that Obama is stealing money from future generations.

    Finally, your GDP numbers are wrong. 4qtr numbers were revised downward to 2.6% (http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/maximum-utility/fourth-quarter-gdp-revised-downward/1191/)

  • Alz

    Rockycomet said:
    Yeah sure! That’s why I lost my job 10 months before the end of Bush’s leaving office and watched the company down size its whole manufacturing line and only recovered that loss one year into Obama’s term. The tax cuts didn’t significantly do much for me either I got to go out for dinner a couple times and buy a few more groceries I didn’t really have to get, his rich friends now that must have been a windfall for them. Obama didn’t have a balance budget when he took office. The spending he was forced to commit to was a direct result of Bush’s bumbling incompetence. I’m no Obama fan but I am definitely not going to blame him for what Bush set into motion.
    Let’s say the ugly truth birther’s are praying happens and that Obama isn’t eligible and leaves office what then? You would all celebrate his demise and be really, really happy to have Biden as POTUS. We would no doubt see a new round of insanity and still no effort to get bi-partisan solutions enacted.

    Not many jobs will come back under Obama and liberal thinking. Who wants to invest here when there is so much liberalism around. The rest of the world isn’t so stupid so they are growing. Businesses will flock overseas because that is where the growth is.

    Obama and the these liberals are taking what they did to ruin the inner cities starting in the 60′s to the rest of the country. Success is forwned upon so guess what, there won’t be as much. And we all suffer.

    When Obama talked about hope, what he meant is that we are to hope that things don’t get too bad. And when he talked about “sacrifice”, wheat he meant is that we are all to sacrifice our jobs, some wealth, etc. so that we all can be “equal”. You are a victim of liberalism.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    Alz said:
    You leave out some huge details regarding who pays taxes. The bottom 47% of households don’t pay federal taxes. So how COULD they get a cut???? Duh.

    The top 1% pay about as much as the bottom 95%.

    Hello, Einstein? That means the top 1% EARNS as much or more than the bottom 95%. In history, when the gap between haves and have nots is this WIDE, a REVOLT usually follows.

    Alz said:
    Any study that ignores these facts isn’t very useful in terms of thinking about policy – and what is right.

    As for job losses, they did accelerate when it became clear that Obama would win – months before Obama was actually in office.

    If you’re saying that the first 7 years of Bush Job creation can be negated by THREE MONTHS at the end of 2008, you don’t have a leg to stand on. Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal….read it again.

    Alz said:
    And yes Bush spent us to death, but Obama’s answer is to spend more money that we don’t have and you still blame Bush? Obama is far, far worse AND he’s so anti-business that it’s taking forever to recover.

    GDP growth includes the massive phony money being put into the system. In other words, a portion of it is an illusion or that Obama is stealing money from future generations.

    Finally, your GDP numbers are wrong. 4qtr numbers were revised downward to 2.6% (http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/maximum-utility/fourth-quarter-gdp-revised-downward/1191/)

    2.6% growth….is still GROWTH. If you’re GROWING, you’re not in a “recession”. Is your hatred of Obama so intense that you’ve lost the ability to define terms?

    –Cobra

  • Wallycrawler

    Trump is a charlatan. Who would listen to a guy that doesn’t even control his own company. He is a brand name, that’s it. He reminds me of “Colonel Sanders’! Or maybe “Wendy”?

  • Rockycomet

    Alz said:
    Not many jobs will come back under Obama and liberal thinking. Who wants to invest here when there is so much liberalism around. The rest of the world isn’t so stupid so they are growing. Businesses will flock overseas because that is where the growth is.

    Lib, lib, lib sounds like an old record skipping. Jobs won’t return because of what GWB set in motion. Businesses have been flocking overseas for years and that’s not a precedent set during BHO’s term. Outsourcing has been and will continue to be the Big Corp greedy abandonment of the US workforce. Our hope is that we at some point find common ground and not a continued exodus and GOP support for the rich who can’t give a little more during crisis and big business forgetting where their origins come from. I’ve been a centrist Republican, but I don’t see the Party I’m familiar with these days. I do see extremism running rampant in both parties and that was also set in motion during GWB 8 yrs of incompetence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-Glackin/100000892011713 Joseph Glackin

    Odd that the rest of the industrialized world is so much more SOCIALIZED than the US, but in better shape.
    All those injured Japanese HAVE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE!
    The FRW crowd wants to turn the US into China, or Viet Nam, or wherever the cheapest labor is.

    Rockycomet said:
    Alz said:
    Not many jobs will come back under Obama and liberal thinking. Who wants to invest here when there is so much liberalism around. The rest of the world isn’t so stupid so they are growing. Businesses will flock overseas because that is where the growth is.

    So, Alz, here’s a big “Seig Heil!” to you and your investors.

  • Nationman

    Steve_27 said:
    On this one, NOT so good. It ignores what I put to you and your opinion is bland. Try again.

    on your point, yes it is true that he may believe that. It is also closed minded and idiotic to assume such. I mean really, I disliked bush but I would rather see someone more capable to be his successor than say a dennis kusinich or a joe biden or even a john kerry.

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