How about the Senate’s 2011 budget?

Obama DID submit a budget plan. Trouble was it made only the flimsiest pretense at trying to solve the budget deficit, let alone pay down the debt. No one, Democrat or Republican, could take it seriously. It was one of the precious few bipartisan moments we’ve had recently.

“Does being an “opinion” program lower the standards of factual reporting? Do “opinion” programs at Fox have a duty to report the facts accurately? From the recent performance of F&F, it would appear not, but Fox News should make those standards clear.”

I couldn’t agree with you more and this is why we Liberals hate fox. They seem to think that if you’re an opinion show you don’t need to deal with actual facts on those shows. It would be like allowing Fox and Friends to say on their show that 2 plus 2 is 33 in their opinion. Facts are NEVER subject to anyone’s opinion. It’s what makes them facts!

Jesus Tommy, that’s a lot of “angst” cuz the sports guy on Fox’s version of “good Morning America” made a frick up. None of you here have ever even suggested Fox & Friends was news, now ya want to claim it is?

Recent FOX lies…

1 – A guy just hit me!!

2 – Wisconsin poll numbers reversed

3 – BECK: They are all Reform Jews

4 – Mislabeled Ron Paul CPAC video

5 – Obama refuses to “enforce” DOMA

6 – BECK: Only FOX and Washington Times covered Pentagon report

7 – Jennifer Griffin: “Earlier I reported that Fox news had not gone to Ghaddafi’s compound while I reported CNN and Reuters had in fact gone.
I’ve have since learned that Fox did indeed go.”

8 – DOOCY: “Obama is on vacation in Brazil.”
His concession, days later: “OK, it’s not a spring break that he’s on down there, it is an important meeting with the leaders down there to drum up jobs.”

9 – Jim McDermott “called the Constitution silly”

10 – Brian Kilmeade – “If the President wrote a budget, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution.” Wrong, for better or worse the President did submit a 2011 buget.

roxsteady said:
“Does being an “opinion” program lower the standards of factual reporting? Do “opinion” programs at Fox have a duty to report the facts accurately? From the recent performance of F&F, it would appear not, but Fox News should make those standards clear.”

I couldn’t agree with you more and this is why we Liberals hate fox. They seem to think that if you’re an opinion show you don’t need to deal with actual facts on those shows. It would be like allowing Fox and Friends to say on their show that 2 plus 2 is 33 in their opinion. Facts are NEVER subject to anyone’s opinion. It’s what makes them facts!

Hay moron… still think people only pay 35% in taxes???

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
Recent FOX lies…

1 – A guy just hit me!!

2 – Wisconsin poll numbers reversed

3 – BECK: They are all Reform Jews

4 – Mislabeled Ron Paul CPAC video

5 – Obama refuses to “enforce” DOMA

6 – BECK: Only FOX and Washington Times covered Pentagon report

7 – Jennifer Griffin: “Earlier I reported that Fox news had not gone to Ghaddafi’s compound while I reported CNN and Reuters had in fact gone.
I’ve have since learned that Fox did indeed go.”

8 – DOOCY: “Obama is on vacation in Brazil.”
His concession, days later: “OK, it’s not a spring break that he’s on down there, it is an important meeting with the leaders down there to drum up jobs.”

9 – Jim McDermott “called the Constitution silly”

10 – Brian Kilmeade – “If the President wrote a budget, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution.” Wrong, for better or worse the President did submit a 2011 buget.

None of them even close to “memogate”.

roxsteady said:
“Does being an “opinion” program lower the standards of factual reporting? Do “opinion” programs at Fox have a duty to report the facts accurately? From the recent performance of F&F, it would appear not, but Fox News should make those standards clear.” I couldn’t agree with you more and this is why we Liberals hate fox. They seem to think that if you’re an opinion show you don’t need to deal with actual facts on those shows. It would be like allowing Fox and Friends to say on their show that 2 plus 2 is 33 in their opinion. Facts are NEVER subject to anyone’s opinion. It’s what makes them facts!

The guy made a mistake (not unlike every other news/sports/entertainment whatever reporter) and will probably make a mention of it on tomorrows morning show. Happens all the time on ALL the networks, it’s honestly not a vast right wing conspriacy Rox, take a chill, it’s not he claimed our country has 57 states or something.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
Recent FOX lies…

1 – A guy just hit me!!

2 – Wisconsin poll numbers reversed

3 – BECK: They are all Reform Jews

4 – Mislabeled Ron Paul CPAC video

5 – Obama refuses to “enforce” DOMA

6 – BECK: Only FOX and Washington Times covered Pentagon report

7 – Jennifer Griffin: “Earlier I reported that Fox news had not gone to Ghaddafi’s compound while I reported CNN and Reuters had in fact gone.
I’ve have since learned that Fox did indeed go.”

8 – DOOCY: “Obama is on vacation in Brazil.”
His concession, days later: “OK, it’s not a spring break that he’s on down there, it is an important meeting with the leaders down there to drum up jobs.”

9 – Jim McDermott “called the Constitution silly”

10 – Brian Kilmeade – “If the President wrote a budget, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution.” Wrong, for better or worse the President did submit a 2011 buget.

Do they really lie that much?

Congress/Senate is debating the budget of last year. You should retract this media piece.

Or dare I say, apologize. Then Kilmeade can not accept your apology.

timzank said:
None of you here have ever even suggested Fox & Friends was news, now ya want to claim it is?

News OR opinion, you are not entitled to make up your own facts.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
Recent FOX lies… 1 – A guy just hit me!! 2 – Wisconsin poll numbers reversed 3 – BECK: They are all Reform Jews 4 – Mislabeled Ron Paul CPAC video 5 – Obama refuses to “enforce” DOMA 6 – BECK: Only FOX and Washington Times covered Pentagon report 7 – Jennifer Griffin: “Earlier I reported that Fox news had not gone to Ghaddafi’s compound while I reported CNN and Reuters had in fact gone.I’ve have since learned that Fox did indeed go.” 8 – DOOCY: “Obama is on vacation in Brazil.”His concession, days later: “OK, it’s not a spring break that he’s on down there, it is an important meeting with the leaders down there to drum up jobs.” 9 – Jim McDermott “called the Constitution silly” 10 – Brian Kilmeade – “If the President wrote a budget, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution.” Wrong, for better or worse the President did submit a 2011 buget.

When your contract expires, does that constitute a demotion in your world?

The democrat congress failed to pass the budget resolution for FY11 which is why we are still in a CR situation; yup – those damn democrats didn’t do their job.

But we at mediaite attack Fox and Friends and give Harry and Nancy a pass.

Bwahahahahah

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
News OR opinion, you are not entitled to make up your own facts.

I doubt he “made it up” he was instead just flat out wrong. He’s a doofus, he makes mistakes all the time and suddenly NOW you want to take him seriously??

Jesus you guys are funny.

timzank said:
I doubt he “made it up” he was instead just flat out wrong.

lmfao

WCinWI said:
Congress/Senate is debating the budget of last year. You should retract this media piece.

Holy shit, I think you may be right, is that budget bouncing in the picture the 2012 Obama Budget or the 2011 Obama budget??????

tatboy said:
Hay moron… still think people only pay 35% in taxes???

What? I think you meant, Hey, moron but, whatever. I pay 23.5 percent. You’re clearly being fisted or robbed. Maybe you shouldn’t be doing your on taxes? Try to stay on topic dear! I know it’s hard for you foxbots since the facts don’t favor you. I can see why always being wrong would make you want to change the subject though. It’s really your only defense. None!

What are the news versus opinion standards at mediaite? If a democrat says something inaccurate, they are given the benefit ofthe doubt (see all the articles defending mistakes made by MSNBC), but when a non-democrat does the same……attack them for no standards.

Yup, I get it, there is a double standard right here at mediaite.

Obama did submit a budget request for 2011; as all president’s do, a budget request is submitted as part of the process. It is the congress that is responsible for the budget resolution, and the democrats failed to do their job, which is why we are in the position we are in for the current FY. With the house now being in control of the pubbies, you can bet your bottom dollar, a budget resolution for 2012 will be done….but will Harry do his job or fail again this year like he failed last year? Only time will tell (and don’t look for the answer on Harry’s ability to be discussed here at mediaite, because Harry is a democrat and his failures will not be disucssed as news, cuz, well…he is a democrat).

Good point, except that the President did write a budget. The thing weighed about ten pounds, and I got so tired of lugging the thing around, I gave it to WSJ’s Jonathan Weisman.

Better yet, why are you even being given a budget of any kind? You’re supposed to be a site about media, not budget or policy. Why are my tax dollars being fronted for printing paper for you????

No, actual, there’s a double conversation going on here and it has NOTHING to do with MSNBC. Just one more fact you fox apologists can’t seem to face. Speaking of fox, even they reported on the President’s 2011 budget proposal in FEBRUARY OF 2010!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/31/obama-offers-budget-deficits-far-number-crunchers/

Now, go ahead and comment on Democrats who got something wrong or MSNBC or anything else that has nothing to do with fox getting caught LYING yet again. It’s a tactical move that is every bit as predictable as it is stupid!

That’s actually!

roxsteady said:
No, actual, there’s a double conversation going on here and it has NOTHING to do with MSNBC. Just one more fact you fox apologists can’t seem to face. Speaking of fox, even they reported on the President’s 2011 budget proposal in FEBRUARY OF 2010!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/31/obama-offers-budget-deficits-far-number-crunchers/

Now, go ahead and comment on Democrats who got something wrong or MSNBC or anything else that has nothing to do with fox getting caught LYING yet again. It’s a tactical move that is every bit as predictable as it is stupid!

There is a difference between a “lie” and misspeaking. Fox News will issue a correction. Like those in the NYT on page 9.

roxsteady said:
What? I think you meant, Hey, moron but, whatever. I pay 23.5 percent. You’re clearly being fisted or robbed. Maybe you shouldn’t be doing your on taxes? Try to stay on topic dear! I know it’s hard for you foxbots since the facts don’t favor you. I can see why always being wrong would make you want to change the subject though. It’s really your only defense. None!

So your sticking to you story that people pay 35% in taxes (23.5 in your case)? You know how dumb you look to everybody reading this?

http://nowandfutures.com/taxes.html

Get real! There are numerous instances of “misspeaking” by fox. It’s what we call a pattern. Either they’re very bad at their jobs or it’s deliberate. None of those 2 choices paints fox in a good light. Stupid or incompetent?

roxsteady said:
What? I think you meant, Hey, moron but, whatever. I pay 23.5 percent. You’re clearly being fisted or robbed. Maybe you shouldn’t be doing your on taxes? Try to stay on topic dear! I know it’s hard for you foxbots since the facts don’t favor you. I can see why always being wrong would make you want to change the subject though. It’s really your only defense. None!

Actually I was trying to get an answer to a question you dodged a while ago. You just ran away when everybody started calling you out on such a dumb statement.

roxsteady said:
Get real! There are numerous instances of “misspeaking” by fox. It’s what we call a pattern. Either they’re very bad at their jobs or it’s deliberate. None of those 2 choices paints fox in a good light. Stupid or incompetent?

Get real! There are numerous instances of “misspeaking” by MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, PBS (and even my beloved BBC). It’s what we call a pattern. Either they’re very bad at their jobs or it’s deliberate. None of those 2 choices paints all of the above in a good light. Stupid or incompetent?

I notice you’ve not mentioned none of the Obama sycophants in the liberal bomb thrower press, including yourself, have ever mentioned, not once that I know of, this elusive Obama budget before y have here in response to ” FOX & FRIENDS ” being caught unaware. When was that photo taken? Why did the Obama regime and the MSM keep this revelation secret from the ” real ” American people?

We’re going to need to trade our galoshes for waders soon, if this kind of bull___ keeps up around here.

tatboy said:
Get real! There are numerous instances of “misspeaking” by MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, PBS (and even my beloved BBC). It’s what we call a pattern. Either they’re very bad at their jobs or it’s deliberate. None of those 2 choices paints all of the above in a good light. Stupid or incompetent?

You do understand what this story is about don’t you? You really seem to have a reading comprehension issue. The Republicans are lucky to have people as ignorant as people like you. Keep changing the subject because each time you do you confirm just how pathetic you and people like you who watch and defend fox are.

tatboy said:
Get real! There are numerous instances of “misspeaking” by MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, PBS (and even my beloved BBC). It’s what we call a pattern. Either they’re very bad at their jobs or it’s deliberate. None of those 2 choices paints all of the above in a good light. Stupid or incompetent?

Oh, and try to have an original thought instead of cribbing mine. It’s the I know you are but what am I defense that we Liberals have come to expect from people who are childish, uneducated and just plain clownish.

While you’re trying to think of a clever comeback, I have to go and start dinner. The stupid here is making my head hurt!

while Brian is technically wrong, considering that obama’s budget was panned by both sides of the aisle as outrageously unserious, it’s hard to blame Brian for reporting that obama is simply not involved.

The problem isn’t simply that F&F make frequent, significant factual errors, but that Fox News is unwilling to even say that their “opinion” shows have any responsibility for factual accuracy at all. MSNBC, on the other hand, has set a standard for themselves, whether they always meet it or not.

Tommy: Can you please provide a link to MSNBC’s written standard? I would like to review it.

Thanks

roxsteady said:
You do understand what this story is about don’t you? You really seem to have a reading comprehension issue. The Republicans are lucky to have people as ignorant as people like you. Keep changing the subject because each time you do you confirm just how pathetic you and people like you who watch and defend fox are.

roxsteady said:
Oh, and try to have an original thought instead of cribbing mine. It’s the I know you are but what am I defense that we Liberals have come to expect from people who are childish, uneducated and just plain clownish.

Have I hit a nerve? My reading comprehension is just fine. Your math skills need a little work though. And using someones own words against them is the oldest debate tactic there is. If you don’t like it, take it up with the debate society.

All the righties didn’t report it right. Who would have guessed that they weren’t actually “reporters” just republicans pretending to be reporters.

roxsteady said:
While you’re trying to think of a clever comeback, I have to go and start dinner. The stupid here is making my head hurt!

Running away again? Boy you are pathetic.

“While Kilmeade admirably defended the President minutes later in the program, it is this kind of factual lapse that has me, once again, questioning Fox News’ differing standards for its “opinion” shows, versus its “hard news” programming. They’ve never really made clear what those standards are. Does being an “opinion” program lower the standards of factual reporting?”

I think if Fox News wanted to get serious about people taking their news side seriously, they should split like CNN did with HLN. Put all the fact based news on one channel, opinion shows on the other. It’s not their model though, wouldn’t be profitable.

I believe Kilmeade is talking about the fiscal year 2011 budget, not the fiscal year 2012 budget. The author of this article should know that.

timzank said:
Holy shit, I think you may be right, is that budget bouncing in the picture the 2012 Obama Budget or the 2011 Obama budget??????

Yep, that’s the 2012 budget. This article has a photo of the 2011 budget:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/DC-Decoder/2010/0218/In-US-budget-s-fine-print-a-treasure-trove-of-information

I’m sure Tommy will be along anytime now to admit that he “falsely reported” that he gave his copy of the 2011 budget to whomever.

roxsteady said:
While you’re trying to think of a clever comeback, I have to go and start dinner. The stupid here is making my head hurt!

FYI: As soon as you left, that problem you spoke of was gone. Hopefully when YOU return it won’t happen again. hint, hint.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear;

I wonder what the standard is for mediaite on opinion versus news, does mediaite have an obligation to be factually correct? If so, they are misisng the boat on that.

TfT said:
Tommy: Can you please provide a link to MSNBC’s written standard? I would like to review it.

Thanks

Sure. When I interviewed Bil Wolff, who’s in charge of MSNBC’s primetime programming, I asked him that exact question. I also asked him about just such a factual error on the show he produces.

I linked to and quoted it here:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-friends-falsely-reports-that-democratic-congressman-called-the-constitution-silly/

A FOX news anchor told a lie about the President. What a shocker!!!

I’m almost certain Bill O’reilly has made similar statements; accurate, factual information is part of his program. so I guess, FNC does have a standard, it is simply not codified in writing, just like MSNBC’s isn’t.

FNC issues corrections, as necessary; MSNBC does also (sometimes they issue excuses, like when Maddow made such an egregious error and blamed it on someone else).

So in a nutshel lboth networks have issued statements regarding factual content is part and parcel to both news and opinion; both networks have made errors and issued corrections and/or excuses, but nether network (to yours or my knowledge) has a written standard. O”Reilly on his program (although I cannot point you to a transcript, perhaps you can use one of mediaite’s interns to search those) and MSNBC in response to your specific questionl.

Thanks for responding.

FoxNews Lies

“If the President wrote a budget, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution.” A few seconds later, Kilmeade repeated the charge, asking “Where is the executive branch writing a budget?””‘

To be fair, he didn’t say POTUS never submitted one. He said if Obama wrote one, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution. Sure, Obama wrote something (10 year budget proposal?), but it was laughed at and called unrealistic, and was FULL of spending, increasing the deficit drastically.

I think Brian meant the president hasn’t written a *realistic* or revised budget plan..?

Also, McCarthy was on the show saying that the Dems didn’t produce a budget, and others have been saying the Dems never passed one when they had the chance.

Rep. Kevin McCarthy On Fox and Friends About Budget / Gov’t Shutdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Rt1oNuotw

MCCARTHY: Well, there’s only a few days out. I mean remember why we’re here. Last year when the Democrats were in the majority in the House and the Senate, they never produced a budget. After the elections, they were still in power, they chose to only fund government to March 8th.

So when Republicans took over, the first thing they did was pass a budget that funds government to the end of their fiscal year, September 30th. But the Senate never produced anything. So when we got to that deadline, we have given two extensions.

Remember after the first time we hit the deadline, the president got really engaged and he sent the vice president down here for one day, then the vice president left for two weeks. Now we’re back to that — after doing it twice, now the president is really engaged in the last days of the idea.

It would be more helpful –

DOOCY: Right.

MCCARTHY: — if the Democrats actually produced something out of the Senate.

____

Why Didn’t the Democrats Pass a Budget When They Had the Chance?

Somewhat lost in this crazy budget debate is the fact that the Democrats had the chance to pass a budget for FY2011 last year – in fact, they had a responsibility to do so.

According to then-House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD),

It isn’t possible to debate and pass a realistic, long-term budget until we’ve considered the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan, which is expected in December.

Oh, right…the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan…which was largely dismissed on both sides of the aisle when it did come out.

The Democrats have no spines – this is just a proven, scientific fact. They did not want to pass a budget before the midterm elections because they are cowards. If you recall, the Democrats pandered to the conservatives in the election last year. Many of them had no interest in attracting liberals. They knew that passing a bill without spending cuts would cause a big loss in political capital, and that’s why they didn’t do it.

http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2011/4/6/9741/18808/Diary/Why-Didn-t-the-Democrats-Pass-a-Budget-When-They-Had-the-Chance-

It would have been nice–or informative at least–if Democrats had produced a budget last year when they were actually in power. But better late than never!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/daily/daily.asp

So…what am I missing. It sounds like everyone is saying Obama needs to write a budget.

White House Attacks On Path to Prosperity Leave Americans Wondering: Where Is President Obama’s Plan?
Posted by Don Seymour on April 06, 2011

When President Obama submitted his budget in February it was widely panned for being a jobs-destroyer that would spend too much, tax too much, and borrow too much. Even the co-chairmen of the president’s deficit commission – Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles – said the President’s budget “goes nowhere close” to addressing America’s fiscal challenges.

So when the Administration began attacking the Republican Path to Prosperity yesterday – a budget that leads where the president failed by helping create new jobs, stopping Washington from spending money it doesn’t have, and lifting the crushing burden of debt – Speaker Boehner asked, “what exactly is his alternative?”

The White House attacks have left a lot of Americans wondering the same thing. Here’s a look at the parade of editorials and articles noting “the lack of presidential leadership” in addressing our debt crisis:

USA TODAY: “Democrats have already begun to demonize the Ryan plan, but where is theirs? … Attacking the Republican plan might reap short-term political rewards, but the lack of presidential leadership is distressing. Without a credible proposal of their own, it’s hard to believe the Democrats understand the danger posed by the rapidly escalating national debt. … Democrats’ lack of an alternative suggests that all they really support is the unsustainable status quo.” (4/5/11)

WASHINGTON POST: “The Wisconsin Republican has produced a plan to deal with the debt, which is more than his Democratic colleagues or President Obama can say. … ‘The President believes there is a more balanced way to put America on a path to prosperity.’ What would that path be, Mr. President?” (4/5/11)

DELAWARE NEWS JOURNAL: “So where is the White House on this? So far the Obama administration has danced around tough decisions. No doubt the Ryan proposal will be attacked, but will the Democrats muster the courage to present their own plan, one that actually would reduce the long-term debt?” (4/5/11)

BOSTON GLOBE: “Ryan deserves credit at least for putting a plan on the table. Now it’s Obama’s turn.” (4/5/11)

NEW YORK TIMES: “[Republicans'] boast has the potential to feed a budding narrative — that Mr. Obama has declined to lead in proposing the steps needed to rein in a federal debt that is growing unsustainably as the population ages and health care costs keep rising. … ‘The president believes there is a more balanced way to put America on a path to prosperity,’ the [White House] statement said. Administration officials gave no hint that Mr. Obama planned to spell out that balanced approach.” (4/5/11)

BALTIMORE SUN: “Mr. Obama justified his lack of leadership on this issue so far by saying the time wasn’t yet right for a real conversation about the budget in Washington. With Mr. Ryan’s politically courageous step, he no longer has that excuse.” (4/5/11)

sarainitaly said:
So…what am I missing. It sounds like everyone is saying Obama needs to write a budget.

White House Attacks On Path to Prosperity Leave Americans Wondering: Where Is President Obama’s Plan?
Posted by Don Seymour on April 06, 2011

When President Obama submitted his budget in February it was widely panned for being a jobs-destroyer that would spend too much, tax too much, and borrow too much. Even the co-chairmen of the president’s deficit commission – Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles – said the President’s budget “goes nowhere close” to addressing America’s fiscal challenges.

So when the Administration began attacking the Republican Path to Prosperity yesterday – a budget that leads where the president failed by helping create new jobs, stopping Washington from spending money it doesn’t have, and lifting the crushing burden of debt – Speaker Boehner asked, “what exactly is his alternative?”

The White House attacks have left a lot of Americans wondering the same thing. Here’s a look at the parade of editorials and articles noting “the lack of presidential leadership” in addressing our debt crisis:

USA TODAY: “Democrats have already begun to demonize the Ryan plan, but where is theirs? … Attacking the Republican plan might reap short-term political rewards, but the lack of presidential leadership is distressing. Without a credible proposal of their own, it’s hard to believe the Democrats understand the danger posed by the rapidly escalating national debt. … Democrats’ lack of an alternative suggests that all they really support is the unsustainable status quo.” (4/5/11)

WASHINGTON POST: “The Wisconsin Republican has produced a plan to deal with the debt, which is more than his Democratic colleagues or President Obama can say. … ‘The President believes there is a more balanced way to put America on a path to prosperity.’ What would that path be, Mr. President?” (4/5/11)

DELAWARE NEWS JOURNAL: “So where is the White House on this? So far the Obama administration has danced around tough decisions. No doubt the Ryan proposal will be attacked, but will the Democrats muster the courage to present their own plan, one that actually would reduce the long-term debt?” (4/5/11)

BOSTON GLOBE: “Ryan deserves credit at least for putting a plan on the table. Now it’s Obama’s turn.” (4/5/11)

NEW YORK TIMES: “[Republicans'] boast has the potential to feed a budding narrative — that Mr. Obama has declined to lead in proposing the steps needed to rein in a federal debt that is growing unsustainably as the population ages and health care costs keep rising. … ‘The president believes there is a more balanced way to put America on a path to prosperity,’ the [White House] statement said. Administration officials gave no hint that Mr. Obama planned to spell out that balanced approach.” (4/5/11)

BALTIMORE SUN: “Mr. Obama justified his lack of leadership on this issue so far by saying the time wasn’t yet right for a real conversation about the budget in Washington. With Mr. Ryan’s politically courageous step, he no longer has that excuse.” (4/5/11)

That’s a lot of stuff about Ryan’s “plan.”

What does that have to directly do with the Government possible shut down this weekend, which was what Kilmeade was groaning about?

sarainitaly said:
“If the President wrote a budget, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution.” A few seconds later, Kilmeade repeated the charge, asking “Where is the executive branch writing a budget?””‘

To be fair, he didn’t say POTUS never submitted one. He said if Obama wrote one, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution. Sure, Obama wrote something (10 year budget proposal?), but it was laughed at and called unrealistic, and was FULL of spending, increasing the deficit drastically.

I think Brian meant the president hasn’t written a *realistic* or revised budget plan..?

Also, McCarthy was on the show saying that the Dems didn’t produce a budget, and others have been saying the Dems never passed one when they had the chance.

Rep. Kevin McCarthy On Fox and Friends About Budget / Gov’t Shutdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Rt1oNuotw

MCCARTHY: Well, there’s only a few days out. I mean remember why we’re here. Last year when the Democrats were in the majority in the House and the Senate, they never produced a budget. After the elections, they were still in power, they chose to only fund government to March 8th.

So when Republicans took over, the first thing they did was pass a budget that funds government to the end of their fiscal year, September 30th. But the Senate never produced anything. So when we got to that deadline, we have given two extensions.

Remember after the first time we hit the deadline, the president got really engaged and he sent the vice president down here for one day, then the vice president left for two weeks. Now we’re back to that — after doing it twice, now the president is really engaged in the last days of the idea.

It would be more helpful –

DOOCY: Right.

MCCARTHY: — if the Democrats actually produced something out of the Senate.

____

Why Didn’t the Democrats Pass a Budget When They Had the Chance?

Somewhat lost in this crazy budget debate is the fact that the Democrats had the chance to pass a budget for FY2011 last year – in fact, they had a responsibility to do so.

According to then-House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD),

It isn’t possible to debate and pass a realistic, long-term budget until we’ve considered the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan, which is expected in December.

Oh, right…the bipartisan commission’s deficit-reduction plan…which was largely dismissed on both sides of the aisle when it did come out.

The Democrats have no spines – this is just a proven, scientific fact. They did not want to pass a budget before the midterm elections because they are cowards. If you recall, the Democrats pandered to the conservatives in the election last year. Many of them had no interest in attracting liberals. They knew that passing a bill without spending cuts would cause a big loss in political capital, and that’s why they didn’t do it.

http://www.theyoungturks.com/story/2011/4/6/9741/18808/Diary/Why-Didn-t-the-Democrats-Pass-a-Budget-When-They-Had-the-Chance-

It would have been nice–or informative at least–if Democrats had produced a budget last year when they were actually in power. But better late than never!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/daily/daily.asp

Bill Ayres probably wrote it for Obama anyway.

Nacho said:
What does that have to directly do with the Government possible shut down this weekend, which was what Kilmeade was groaning about?

That’s not what tommy was writing about. He falsely stated that Brian said, “Fox & Friends Anchor Falsely Reports That President Obama Did Not Submit a Budget”

Brian didn’t say Obama never submitted a budget. He said< “If the President wrote a budget, we wouldn’t need a continuing resolution.” A few seconds later, Kilmeade repeated the charge, asking “Where is the executive branch writing a budget?””

Which it sounds like everyone in the media is saying.

“Ryan deserves credit at least for putting a plan on the table. Now it’s Obama’s turn.”

so…. i don't think Brian was wrong here, or that he falsely reported anything.

roxsteady said:
No, actual, there’s a double conversation going on here and it has NOTHING to do with MSNBC. Just one more fact you fox apologists can’t seem to face. Speaking of fox, even they reported on the President’s 2011 budget proposal in FEBRUARY OF 2010! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/31/obama-offers-budget-deficits-far-number-crunchers/ Now, go ahead and comment on Democrats who got something wrong or MSNBC or anything else that has nothing to do with fox getting caught LYING yet again. It’s a tactical move that is every bit as predictable as it is stupid!

Why such desperation to employ childlike tactics? Even after making a good point you ruin it with a simply moronic accusation. He know’s he’s on the most highly rated and most watch show in the country and he’s going to intentionally lie so he can get ridiculed and mocked? It doesn’t even make sense. It was clearly a misspeak and one which should be easily understandable anyway considering all the democratic shananigans specificaly in regards to the budget issues.

On Fox, every day is a new day. New as in forget everything that happened before you got up this morning. It didn’t happen. Someone on Fox will tell you that.

Obama gave away his pen at the last bill signing, it’s not his fault he couldn’t sign the budget. Bush must have stolen it, it’s all Bush’s fault.

Steve_27 says:
It doesn’t even make sense. It was clearly a misspeak and one which should be easily understandable anyway considering all the democratic shananigans specificaly in regards to the budget issues
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If you deny lying enough times, it grows into …”misspeaking”! OK.

FOX AND FACTS, NEVER THE TWO SHALL MEET!

We continually hear that President Obama has not presented a budget. That
is a lie. On April 13, 2001, he presented the 2012 budget. His address can be
seen at the following link. It is worth the time if you can find it.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/13/watch_live_president_obama_delivers_speech_on_2012_budget.html

You can also find the actual budget at the following link:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb

In this document, I especially recommend looking at a one-page report that
can be found by clicking
“The budget”, then “Summary Tables”, then go to page S-3. There, the major
components of revenue and spending for the budget can be found from years 2010
through the projections to the year 2021.