It’s important to point out, that Obama voted for infanticide!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

“Infanticide”? Really??

Your post demonstrates why pro-lifers have lost the debate. There’s just no appeal to reason anymore. It’s all about hysteria and over-the-top, demonizing crazy talk.

If this debate was supposed to save or sink someone it sure has failed, John King is one of the most boring moderators of our time…This thing just creeps along, it is by far the most boring and dull of all the debates…These people just ramble on, and after there done, I don’t even know what they said…..They are all losers tonight.

I believe it was Newt Gingrich who accused President Obama of “legalizing infanticide”.

Santorum says he opposes birth control because of high teen pregnancy rates.
He clearly has no idea what birth control is used for.

Oh dear.  Teenage pregnancy is our greatest problem, and the one thing that prevents it – contraception – is to blame.

Down the rabbit hole we go.

It’s important to remember, Sarah Palin engaged in such utterly reckless behavior during the birth of her high risk, premature, special needs child that it could easily have amounted to infanticide!

The fact that they all ducked the question means it is a LOSER issue for them. Obama smiles from the WH. 

It’s over.  The GOP will never take the White House….women will be all over this in November.  You have not seen the wrath of the female in America!

I know….I wish a little Jim Cramer was sprinkled on him. Sometimes I want a feisty moderator who challenges talking points. King just lets them bloviate and filibuster. 

” with each candidate giving a passionate response to the question of what the government should or should not fun (fund?) birth control”

I thought each candidate avoided the question (except for Dr. Paul) and used the issue to attack President Obama!!

It’s like Republicans forgot that women have the right to vote!!

“All five states with the highest teen birth rates have adopted policies requiring that abstinence be stressed when taught as part of sex education, HIV education or both, the group found. Only one of the five states (New Mexico) mandates that sex education be a part of students’ curriculum. Of the four states with the lowest teen birth rates, none requires that abstinence be stressed to students, according to Guttmacher.”
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/11/24/explaining-variation-in-teen-pregnancy-rates-by-state-race-and-sex-education/

Also, I thought Newt was the one who used the term “infanticide” in a feeble attack of President Obama??

 Tragic, ain’t it?! Nothing doing around these parts. Before I die, I hope to see a political debate that stirs something within me.

You thought right. Mitt Romney made the “religious conscience” argument. Gingrich accused Obama of supporting infanticide, which, as you may have guessed, is not entirely based in the truth.

Infanticide?!?

I want to know if those morons would ask their mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters IF THEY HAVE participated in INFANTICIDE.

 

It’s nice to see the candidates engage in down to earth,worthwhile discussions without pandering to a vocal minority, and keeping hyperbole to a minimum.

*snicker*

GOP Candidates Attack Leniency With Contraceptives

Huh? I have no idea what this means.

Or she told a Big Fat Tall Tale.

Her behavior, however, gives me no indication of what the truth is.

That aside, women vote and at higher frequencies than men. Continuing to alienate them does not bode well for the GOP.

I want to know if you oppose the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

 http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html

 Right, because it isn’t actually killing an infant if you just leave it to die.

“Rick Santorum decried American culture as having a problem with ‘children having children.’”

Honest question, since I didn’t see the debate to put it into context:

Does Rick see “children having children” as a problem?  Or does he have a problem with America having a problem with “children having children.”  Can someone de-meta this for me? 

 So, what are the teen abortion rates in those states? You’d really need to factor something like that in before drawing conclusions based on birth rates, wouldn’t you?

I’m starting to think that Republicans really don’t want the Presidency back until Democrats have been in office long enough to fix everything Republicans screwed up last time they held power.  Oh darn, our Republican congress slowed down the Presidents ability to improve our economy to the point we might need to give him another 4 years.  The only candidate that has any integrity at all is Ron Paul… and he is far too odd a pill for most Republicans to swallow.

 Our greatest problem? Holy shit.

 Then disarm your super pac.

 Pebbels, are you trying to be ignorant, er, willfully ignorant?

The xtian taliban like Santorum believe, and I am following their logic, that life begins at conception and CONTRACEPTIVES, like different types of pills, are indeed a form of INFANTICIDE.

Pebbels, do you have a mother, a sister, a wife or daughters? Are they participating in willful INFANTICIDE?

 So i will just check YES on infanticide for you. You dirty dirty liberal.

 I find it interesting that the people who want to deregulate corporations are the same ones who want to regulate our lives.  

I guess the little women are too stupid to handle this issue all by themselves.

You misunderstand, and of course, you jump to conclusions to paint the “other guy” as an evil baby killer. Obama opposed the legislation because it was sloppy. Even a Republican who supported McCain in 2008 called it “onerous”. It was later changed and adopted. You don’t vote for something if it can’t properly accomplish what it sets out to do without causing a million other problems.

Geee, why does a party and it candidates that campaign on conservative social issues get questioned about conservative social issues…

This is your primary, you radical extremists. These are questions that your constituents want to know.  Just because you happen to realize it exposes them and you as radicals, its not the “elite” medias fault.

 It is the ol’ “‘murka is going to hell in a hand basket and it is them promiscuous LBRULS fault!”

Personally, I blame the founding fathers with their wigs, pony tails and knickers. Them LBRULS even portray the J-man like a long haired, sandal wearing hippie.

Abortion rates are very difficult to figure with any accuracy.

“Because health department abortion statistics are incomplete or nonexistent in many states, care should be used in interpreting the teenage abortion and pregnancy data. For the states with no information on the age of women having abortions, the rate of abortion among teenagers was estimated. Similarly, error is introduced by the assumption that teenagers have abortions out of state in the same proportions as older women. Therefore, one cannot draw inferences about the effects of parental involvement requirements on the number of abortions obtained by minors.”
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/USTPtrends.pdf

 Ah, the Trig Truthers are in the house. Lovely.

Obama loves infanticide so much, he decided to have and raise two children. It all makes sense now.

 So, are you drawing conclusions unsupported by the necessary data? Or did you just feel like sharing some data that doesn’t tell us anything?

Leaving a living infant to die is sloppy. I’ll grant you that.

 No, I’d say the fuckwit that types “xtian Taliban” is trying to be ignorant.

Yeah, that’s not what happened, but I can see that you enjoy writing fiction, so I’ll leave you to it. Thumbs up!

 and we’ll just check ‘women must remain pregnant by order of the state” for the supposed party of smaller government.

 And i will check “supports genocide and ethnic cleansing” for you. Is that about right.

What do you think the purpose of government is ( Planned Parenthood, bail outs, obama care) Here i will help you out, the purpose of government is protection of life and property. Keyword LIFE.  

 Call me whatever you want, Pebbels.

My question still stands.

Are those millions of women using contraception committing infanticide?

Heck, we already know you have a tendency to argue losing positions. I don’t believe you will answer.

That’s what the bill prevented. Obama voted it down repeatedly. http://tinyurl.com/6wr62ul

After the cervix is prematurely dilated, the small, preterm baby drops out of
the uterus, sometimes alive. In the event that a baby is aborted alive, he or
she is given what my hospital calls “comfort care.” “Comfort
care” involves wrapping the baby in a blanket and offering him or her to
the parents to hold until the baby dies. If parents do not want to hold their
baby, as I have observed is most often the case, it is left to staff to care for
the baby. Up until recently, staff options were to hold the baby until death or
put the baby in our Soiled Utility Room if we got busy or if the baby lingered
too long. Indeed, it is not uncommon for one of these babies to live for an hour
or two or even longer. Last year alone, of the 16 babies that Christ Hospital
states were aborted, I am aware of four who were born alive. Each of these
babies – two boys and two girls – lived between 1-1/2 and 3 hours. At Christ
Hospital one of these babies once lived for almost an entire eight-hour shift.
At least two of the second-trimester babies who were aborted last year at Christ
Hospital were completely healthy.

Never happened, because you’d prefer to not believe it.

I’d say the fuckwit that’s cool with leaving born children to die is the same ones who wants to invalidate our liberties. For convenience’s sake.

And I will just check YES on please triple your meds.

The data tells us plenty. I doesn’t tell us everything. You consider this nothing. Something wrong?

Nice to see Republicans use the failed argument of Alan Keyes’s failed 2004 claim,

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

A claim proven false BTW.

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 stop mixing your meds with alcohol!

 These “progressives” that inhabit here didn’t even know obama railed against med care  for infants in that circumstance when I brought it up a few days ago. None of ‘em had a clue.

 nice diversion

 Stop using your horse’s special K for self medication.

you’d think America would have learned by now that you cannot govern morality. it doesn’t matter what the GOP calls it, “infantcide” or “children having children” problem, it is not something that legislation will change. The young women are the ones choosing to take birth control, to have abortions…by not allowing them to do so, isn’t that simply leading to a slippery slope of a situation? 

Nobody does. 

You shot first, so don’t ask us to put down our gun. Deal with your own house first. It is pathetically lacking in cleaning out the batshit.

Gotta love how Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich all ran away from public service since 2007, avoid answering questions at all cost, and try to claim they can somehow do a better job than president Obama. That’s like an armchair QB saying he could’ve done a better job than Eli Manning this year in spite of never taking a snap from center in their entire lives.

 I support citizens united, genius, obama and the Derangedocrats don’t.

Just because you think your wife should be barefoot and popping out babies for you every nine months as a consequence of sex, doesn’t mean the rest of America should have such an absurd position imposed on it by government.

BTW, where was your fabled concern for life when George W. Boosh lied us into an unnecessary Iraq quagmire that killed thousands of civilians and soldiers?

Don’t you wish Bill Maher is moderating these debates where these middle aged cowards who’re only adept at using their throats booing and are good for nothing else are spanked like the spoiled little overgrown children that they are and put in their place?

Don’t want questions to be asked of your candidates? It’s because you’re embarrassed and not proud of their positions on the issue. Either pick someone who does not embarrass you or don’t add to their embarrassment by being embarrassing yourselves. Or move to Russia or Saudi Arabia where questions are vetted by the candidates

Santorum was the only on that had the guts to answer the question. I don’t agree with anything he says but at least he does. Mitt and Newt sqirmed around and basically asked, “why didn’t you ask Obama?” Paul of course is also correct is saying, the pill is not the problem, morality is and you do not solve or even address morality by denying the pill.  

You obviously missed the point of the insufferable Trig Truthers. It had nothing to do with the Half-Baked Alaskan’s negligence as a mother or the randiness of Brisket.

People talk about religious freedom, but what happens when it clashes with other freedoms mandated by the government, whether in the original constitution or since, like free speech and access to abortion? I think the only reasonable solution is to basically adopt a variation of Isaac Asimov’s three laws of robotics (I’m sure most of us have seen iRobot). They state that 1) a robot must not harm a human, 2) a robot must obey a human as long as this does not conflict with the 1st law and 3) a robot can try and preserve its own existence as long as this down not conflict with the 1st or 2nd laws.

Basically, you should have freedom of religion as long as this does not conflict with other laws. Surely freedom of religion, which is such a broad right and can include ridiculous cults as varied as Scientology and Mormonism is, at least usually, the weaker right in any conflict. You couldn’t just start a cult with any whimsical rules and demand the state respect it, that would be chaos. Don’t want to give women abortions? Tough! Then don’t be a healthcare or health insurance provider.

Yeah I don’t understand the connection either.
It’s obvious that teenagers who get pregnant aren’t using birth control or are not using it consistantly or correctly.

He won’t be able to read facts. Good post btw

We know Newt would never lie.

Until the GOP disarms theirs we have to keep the competition fair. At least Obama is willing to consider the un fairness of super pacs, but for the race to be fair he has to use them too.

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What claim is false? The conclusion:

Obama’s critics are free to speculate on his motives for voting against
the bills, and postulate a lack of concern for babies’ welfare. But his
stated reasons for opposing “born-alive” bills have to do with
preserving abortion rights, a position he is known to support and has
never hidden.

They don’t deny that he voted down a bill to prevent infanticide, repeatedly. Because he did.

 The latter is where the problem lies.

If the topic is contraception, then the relevant data would be the pregnancy rate, not the birth rate. We are talking about unwanted pregnancies, after all.

 Of course not, you fool.

The people who tried to kill them (and failed) in the first place and who refuse to try to keep them alive want them left to die. That’s why they left them to die. Some people tried to make that illegal in IL. Barack Obama voted against them, repeatedly.

These are facts. You don’t have to like them, but you do have to live with them.

 Who is campaigning on contraceptives? If these are the questions Republicans want answered, why did they boo King for asking it?

 No, it’s more like Kurt Warner saying he could do a better job than Kyle Orton.

My bad.  I misread the story as Santorum having said that.  He didn’t.  He just thinks that one of our most serious problems should be solved by doing the exact opposite of what would solve it – not it’s our greatest problem.

But for Santorum, the “problem” is that they are using it at all.  And THAT is where the real problem lies.

Kurt Warner actually has credibility on that. The Republicans don’t.

Pregnancy Rate- (Miscarriage+Abortion)= Birthrate
Both miscarriage and abortion data are thin for reasons obvious. Birthrate is still indicative of a single activity that does not decline when we tell teens to stop as the only rule.

Then we could speculate Santorum supports abortion & infanticide for his voting record that uses tax payer money to fund birth control in Africa, infanticide in China, and abortions in America.

 Quadruple his meds…

Infanticide is made by Raid, right?  Think I have some under the cabinet…

Doesn’t that trouble you, though?  There are two possibilities regarding Trig’s birth – either her story is true, or it isn’t.  Under either scenario, Palin comes out looking like an absolutely crazy person.  

Either she knowingly placed her high risk, premature, special needs baby in grave danger for over 24 hours, or she lied about having given birth to him at all.

To be honest, I think the scenario argued by the “Trig Truthers,” as you call them, is the one that is far more generous to the allegedly pro-life Palin.   

That is just false. There already was a law on the books in IL protecting said “born alive” botched abortions. It’s right here. 
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/072005100K6.htm 
Those are the facts. Demagogue all you want.

So what you’re saying is that Ronald Reagan was a shameless hypocrite for not unilaterally disarming the United States of its nuclear weapons while seeking the elimination of nuclear weapons worldwide?

 What I’m saying is GET BACK IN YOUR TENT YOU OCCUTARD.

What a circus. Republicans condemn condoms! Republicans praise rape as a gift from God. Republicans endorse trans-vaginal probes. Republicans hate women (and men who want to plan their families). What’s next? Republicans mandate missionary-position only? Hey, Newt was right. ‘Cause Newt and all his Republican friends SHOULD set up a moon colony…. AND GO THERE! Then, they could tell each other what to do and how to live and who to love…. while leaving the REST of us alone, here on Earth. Newt, I always KNEW that you were a problem-solver. Unfortunately, you and your Republican friends ARE the problem…