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Helen Thomas Rails At White House Over Stance On Israeli “Flotilla Massacre”

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Since yesterday’s Israeli military attack on a flotilla heading to Gaza, the White House has been walking a tightrope trying to keep their comments about it as neutral as possible. Even their neutrality, however, was questioned today by none other than Helen Thomas, who put Press Secretary Robert Gibbs in a tough spot by railing against the Obama administration for not calling the event a “deliberate massacre” and more concretely confronting the Israeli government.

Thomas, clearly fuming, gave Gibbs a bit of a lesson in Loaded Questions 101:

“The initial reaction to the flotilla massacre, deliberate massacre, an international crime, was pitiful. What do you mean you regret something that should be so strongly condemned, and if any other nation in the world had done it, we would have been up in arms? What is this ironclad relationship where a country that deliberately kills people and boycotts every aid and abet… the boycott?”

Gibbs tried to interrupt the incensed Thomas a couple of times, but finally let her finish the question before answering that he believed the White House response initially regretting the loss of life without taking a stand on either side was appropriate, since they want to have a complete set of information before condemning anyone in such a delicate incident. “Nothing can bring them back,” Gibbs responded, referring to the victims, but he said the administration believes “that a credible and transparent investigation has to look into the facts, and as I said earlier, we are open to international participation in that investigation.”

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  • The Real Royal King

    If we had two dozen Helen Thomases in our Republic, we would be much better off.

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    She’s alive? She needs to really retire, I mean seriously….this old anti-semite needs to just retire.

  • The Real Royal King

    There is a crucial difference between being Anti-Semitic and questioning Israel. We would do well to remember that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Anthony/781784933 Ryan Anthony

    @RRK
    Really? So asking loaded and biased questions are good for our republic??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-A-Cohen/1421861353 Jonathan A Cohen

    From what I was seen, heard, and read this is far from a Massacre. Errors may have been made BUT many hands are involved in this. And not all of them wear a white hat.

  • The Real Royal King

    You’re absolutely right, Ryan, our Republic is best served by a media which never asks probing questions. After all, they can be embarrassing and difficult.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    Oy vay,vatta witch this one is.

  • Penguin60

    Questioning Israel? Seems she has tried and convicted them to me. “Intentional crime” An example of a neutral journalist, what a crock.

  • The Real Royal King

    Jonathan A Cohen says:
    June 1, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    From what I was seen, heard, and read this is far from a Massacre. Errors may have been made BUT many hands are involved in this. And not all of them wear a white hat.

    Which is precisely my point. Doesn’t this give the White House an opportunity to expand and expound? An opportunity it might not otherwise have?

  • The Real Royal King

    Penguin, she asked a question. That is what good reporters do. We’re just not much accustomed to anything except advocacy journalism these day.

  • Penguin60

    I’m all for tough and difficult questions, would love to see her ask barry a few. But this is not a question
    “The initial reaction to the flotilla massacre, deliberate massacre, an international crime, was pitiful.”
    That is a statement/opinion. I could care less if she wants to toast bobby, but doesn’t it appear she has an agenda?

  • http://www.karlspensen.blogspot.com Karl Spensen

    If you criticize the actions State of Israel in ANY WAY, you are an ANTI-SEMITE and a TERRORIST SUPPORTER!!1 Why does Helen “Wicked Witch” Thomas HATE the JEWS?!?!11

  • ImNotBlue

    Yet again, I ask… why is she given a platform (as an outspoken advocate) to ask “questions” at press conferences?

    Of course, this wasn’t a question… it was a comment. Thomas (as always) has made up her mind on who is right and wrong, and is simply attempting to advance that idea. Naturally, since this involved Israel, we could have guessed her opinion BEFORE she said anything, as she (like many on the left) simply hates Israel, and consistently route for the opposition… whomever they may be. To do this, Thomas has ignored relevant parts of the story, built a conclusion before all the evidence is collected, and insults the White House and Israel in her attempt to advance her opinion.

    The fact that some others think this is either funny (Karl), or a “good thing to do” (King), shows just how out of touch some are when it comes to “journalism.”

  • Penguin60

    I just realized, I have been defending the current administration. I knew I forgot to take my meds today.

  • writer

    Usually when a woman is pictured with an article, the King has to offer a critique of their appearance. What happened? Did he forget?

  • valkyrie101

    I love that little “comment” you threw in to your post, Blue, “as she (like many on the left) simply hates Israel.” Isn’t that pretty much the same thing you accuse Thomas of doing? Surely “we could have guessed” that your opinion would include a blanket condemnation of the “left”.

  • SteveMG

    Helen Thomas didn’t question Gibbs about the White House’s reaction to this event. Or the incident itself. She made tendentious and biased accusations about the Israeli government and against the Administration.

    I’m all for tough questions and for anyone (in the press or out of it) examining our relationships with any country. But Ms. Thomas wasn’t interested in light, she was only interested in hurling charges.

    Again, that’s acceptable in the right venue. But this wasn’t it. Let’s no pretend she was interested in information here from the White House. She was solely interested in using her position as a platform to promote her political views.

  • MichelleF

    YNET News reported:

    The ongoing interrogation of passengers who were aboard the Marmara – the Gaza aid flotilla’s flagship – revealed that the majority of those who attacked the Israeli Naval Commandos boarding the ship have direct and indirect Global Jihad ties.

    Israel’s investigation has revealed some 100 people infiltrated the peace and humanitarian aid activists making their way to Gaza, with the explicit design to attack Israeli soldiers using cold arms.

    Some among that group are believed to have ties with World Jihad groups, mainly al-Qaeda.

    The majority of suspects are Turks, but some are Yemenites and Indonesian. One Yemenite Islamist was photographed with a dagger in his belt prior to the raid.

    The suspects are not cooperating with investigators. Most of them have no identification papers, and Israeli authorities are still trying to ascertain their identity.

  • nowhearthis

    Knee-jerk tossing out of the “anti-Semite” epithet is meant to divert further discussion. It won’t work this time. You can’t paint the EU, UN, and most of the international community as anti-Semitic because they condemn a botched IDF S’13 operation, in international waters, that resulted in the death and wounding of civilians. Even the Israeli newspapers are questioning why the Shayetet 13 force, an elite group that specializes in assassinations, counter-terrorism, sabotage and intelligence-gathering, was sent to overtake the flotilla. Helen Thomas is right and courageous in questioning why, while the international community is shocked and outraged at this incident, the US, who would otherwise have condemned the action were any other party involved, is not.

    So far we have not heard from the any of the Mavi Marmara passengers since the incident took place. They have been kept incommunicado. We will have a fuller picture when we hear an accounting of what they witnessed.

  • Moderate

    Helen Thomas would like to see the infidels in Israel wiped from the face of the earth.

  • The Real Royal King

    ImNotBlue says:
    June 1, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Yet again, I ask… why is she given a platform (as an outspoken advocate) to ask “questions” at press conferences?

    Perhaps, you haven’t made your position clear enough, INB. Maybe, you and Michelle should take a day off and picket in front of Ms. Thomas’ office.

  • SteveMG

    Maybe, you and Michelle should take a day off and picket in front of Ms. Thomas’ office.

    Question: You think this was a professional piece of journalism by Ms. Thomas?

  • TylerDurden

    The initial reaction to the flotilla massacre, deliberate massacre, an international crime, was pitiful.”

    And you are pitiful , Helen. IHH has been banned from coming into

    In 2006 the Danish Institute for International Studies reported that during the 1990s the Turkish relief organization IHH had links with Al-Qaeda and global jihad networks.2 The well-documented report was prepared by Evan Kohlman,3 an American scholar specializing in Al-Qaeda. The study deals with the involvement of Islamic charitable societies in supporting terrorism.

    According to the study, the Turkish government began investigating IHH at least as far back as December 1997 following information that senior IHH activists had purchased automatic weapons from extremist Islamic organizations. As a result, the Istanbul offices of the organization were raided and activists were arrested. During the raid the Turkish security services found weapons, explosives, instructions for manufacturing IEDs and a flag bearing a jihadist message. An analysis of the documents taken from the offices indicated that IHH members were planning to participate in jihad activities in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya.”

    “In 2008, the Israelis banned IHH, along with 35 other Islamist charities worldwide, for its ties to the Union of Good. This was a follow-on designation; Israelis first blocked the Union of Good from operating in the West Bank and Gaza in 2002. “

  • Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers

    Doesn’t Helen know that the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy necessitates our unconditional support of Israel?

  • TylerDurden

    “Mr. President, do you think that Pakistan and — are maintaining the safe havens in Afghanistan for these so-called terrorists? ” Helen Thomas inquired.”

    She is an idiot lib.

  • TylerDurden

    Helen, where was your outrage when the NKoreans sank that SKorean ship, killing 46 and where was the UN condemnation of that?

  • The Real Royal King

    I haven’t seen a piece of journalism, Steve. I have seen a journalistic process, to-wit: a question. This question may lead to a piece. Then, we can talk. I will say, if reporter asked a Miss America contestant if she had augmentation, I would think that a question, not an accusation. I think you’re just so accustomed to Talking Points you don’t recognize the journalistic process unfolding.

  • SteveMG

    I haven’t seen a piece of journalism, Steve. I have seen a journalistic process, to-wit: a question.

    What a bunch of hooey.

    In other words you don’t want to answer the question. Won’t or can’t.

    You know darned well what I meant by “piece of journalism.” Piece as in “example”.

    This was a tendentious and unprofessional “piece” of reporting.

  • Chudi

    Helen Thomas is a senile old fool, with all due respect of course.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Martin/43100610 Jon Martin

    Helen Thomas is just speaking logical truth, Israel did something bad, stop being a bunch of babies about it and own up. Israel has been doing a lot of bad things and instead of admitting to them or admitting they were wrong they just call everyone anti-semites or nazi’s. Just reallly immature baby-ish behavior. What can you expect though? When religion governs things ANYWHERE things start to go wrong and illogical.. now we have the group that survived the holocaust creating holocaust-like conditions for others.

    Strange world,

  • JohnSimpson

    now we have the group that survived the holocaust creating holocaust-like conditions for others.”

    Yes, those were really holocaust-like conditions on that ship.

    You are so ignorant.

  • SteveMG

    Helen Thomas is just speaking logical truth, Israel did something bad

    Please, sir. Ms. Thomas labeled the incident a “deliberate massacre.” There is no evidence that the Israeli defense forces intended to commit a “deliberate massacre” of these people.

    For you to state that Israel is “creating holocaust-like conditions for others” is so obscene that you should be ashamed of yourself. Really, shameful.

    Please, sir, go away.

  • SteveMG

    Really, for someone to state that those who suffered a Holocaust are now “creating holocaust-like conditions for others” is an obscenity.

    What a disgusting statement.

  • RichS

    Did Israel do something bad? I don’t know, I haven’t seen any evidence to conclusively prove either sides claims. Can someone point to such evidence? I wouldn’t take Isreal’s word, the flotilla’s organizers word, or the UN’s word. This does need an investigation but Helen Thomas was not calling for an investigation, she wasn’t asking a question, and she wasn’t doing her job as a member of the White House Press Corps. I’m not really interested in her opinion, if I were I read her books, if she has written any. I would have like her to ask questions that will tell me what the White House has done, is doing and is planning to do to get to the bottom of this.

  • Chudi

    Jon Martin is an anti-Semite. Helen Thomas is a huge one too. This incident has brought out these people and their beliefs. The more dangerous thing is that many true hard core liberals have this beliefs too, but are better are hiding it than Helen Thomas, who is clearly losing her mind.

    I think everybody should say what they think, so that we can all see who is who. After the evidence provided yesterday, anybody still accusing Israel of a massacre is an anti-Semite. That is my opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    If you call her anti-Semite, then you are literally saying she’s anti herself.

  • SteveMG

    Muslims and Arabs have more freedom living in Israel than they do in any other Middle East country.

    They are elected to the Knesset, they vote, they have free speech, freedom of travel, they can come and go, they can criticize their government. They can be gay. They can worship Allah or reject him. Or worship Jesus or reject him. Or worship no God.

    In what other Arab country are these freedoms given?

    Not everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-semite. It’s an unfair charge. But some perspective please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Martin/43100610 Jon Martin

    Please explain how Helen Thomas is losing her mind?

    Give me some facts as to why Israel shouldn’t apologize for ending the lives of 9 people?

    hmm?

  • Chudi

    Kam Fet,

    Was I mincing words in my comment?

  • Chudi

    Israel shouldn’t apologize, cus they were defending themselves. Only anti-semites can’t see that…

  • ganymede

    It’s really depressing reading the comments from confused people who have nothing better to do than display their ignorance. Helen Thomas is a treasure. She was one of the few Washington journalists who consistently kept boy Bush’s feet to the fire. To call her an anti-semite is the height of ignorance. It’s clear that Israel overreacted and had other options. Their bombardment of Gaza was also an overreaction. While I’m a strong supporter of Israel’s right to exist, they have had very poor leadership and the religious leaders in Israel are not much better than the mad religious leaders in Saudi Arabia. Israel will eventually have to work something out with their immediate neighbors, but they’re going to have to treat the people in the West Bank and Gaza with more humanity instead of following the Bush/Cheney warmonger’s playbook.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Martin/43100610 Jon Martin

    Chudi you are on the wrong side of history I’m afraid and you are PATHETIC for calling people anti-semite. The word losing meaning when people throw it around so casually, you are hurting Israel when you call everyone anti-semite.

  • Chudi

    ganymede,

    Like I said, it is good for all of you to crawl out of your holes to say what you think. Imagine being gracious enough to say that you support Israel’s right to exist. How nice of you. That statement tells me everything I need to know about you.

    I hope more of your ilk will come out and show who they really are.

  • SteveMG

    I hope more of your ilk will come out and show who they really are

    Sorry, I think you’re hurling the anti-semite charge a bit recklessly. A lot of this is just old-fashioned leftwing anti-US and anti-West thinking.

    Israel is an ally of the US and is supported by conservatives. And since America for some of these folks on the left is almost always wrong and conservatives absolutely always wrong, then they must oppose Israel. It doesn’t matter if Israel was a Jewish state or a Catholic state or an Episcopalian state. It’s associated with the west and with the US and therefore it must always be wrong. Blame America and Israel first.

    Israel screwed up here and a tragedy occurred. They can be rightly criticized. But to call it a “deliberate massacre” as Thomas did is absurd. And to equate it with the Holocaust is obscene.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Martin/43100610 Jon Martin

    SteveMG have you been following Gaza and what’s been going on there? I’m equating that to the holocaust, not this incident. Most of the international community already condemns what Israel has done to the Palestinians, however Israel and it’s representatives always counter by calling people anti-semite.

    This is just like how Sarah Palin calls the media “left wing media” whenever they disagree with her or make her look bad. Or how the right wing says they are protecting freedoms by trying to make it illegal for gay people to marry. Just bizzaroland logic. Tinged with religion and ignorance. This is why religion is bad.

    It’s all propaganda. Israel is at fault, time to accept responsibility.

    Protip: Don’t attack a boat of protestors that is recording your attack. lol.

  • ImNotBlue

    valkyrie101 says:
    June 1, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Are you denying that many on the left dislike Israel? I did not say “ALL” or “MOST,” just “many.”

    And no, that is not what I’m saying Thomas did/does. First off, I’m not a White House correspondent, and don’t get to ask questions to the Press Secretary or President… so there’s that. Also, I’m not asking a question or pretending to ask a question, I’m making a clear statement about where I think Thomas is coming from. We already know she’s a hardcore leftie (she’s said as much), and we know (although you may not) that the left has a lot of folks who simply hate Israel, and continually take the side of Israel’s enemies, no matter what the evidence says. How is that anywhere similar to Thomas’ comment?

    nowhearthis says:
    June 1, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    “…that resulted in the death and wounding of civilians.”

    And you know they were civilians… how?

    Helen Thomas is right and courageous in questioning why…

    If Thomas wanted to know what the US response was, or to compare it to other nations, she would not have phrased it as such. She had her opinion, she stated it clearly, and wanted to know why the White House dared not to agree with her.

    The Real Royal King says:
    June 1, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Perhaps, you haven’t made your position clear enough, INB. Maybe, you and Michelle should take a day off and picket in front of Ms. Thomas’ office.

    Oh, whoa is me… I disagreed with something Helen Thomas said, and questioned why a political advocate, whose writings have become virtually irrelevant, gets to waste time during press conferences. Oh, whoa is me… King things I now want to protest… even though that’s nowhere close to reality or anything I said. Poor poor me…

    Oh wait. Nevermind.

    Jon Martin says:
    June 1, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Please explain how Helen Thomas is losing her mind?

    Give me some facts as to why Israel shouldn’t apologize for ending the lives of 9 people?

    Because reports are now suggesting that many of those folks were connected to international terror groups. I guess Israel could have left them on their merry way, and waited until a building blew up, or some innocent family was slaughtered. Would that have been more appropriate?

    ganymede says:
    June 1, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    It’s clear that Israel overreacted and had other options.

    Really? That’s clear? How many innocent people have to die, before Israel is allowed to protect itself?

    …but they’re going to have to treat the people in the West Bank and Gaza with more humanity instead of following the Bush/Cheney warmonger’s playbook.

    Good point. Just because they’re killing innocents… just because they oppress their residents… just because they use innocent people as human shields, doesn’t give Israel the right to defend itself.

  • ImNotBlue

    Jon Martin says:
    June 1, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    SteveMG have you been following Gaza and what’s been going on there? I’m equating that to the holocaust, not this incident.

    Yes, Israel is routinely rounding people up (women, children, everyone)… and sending them to their death. Yes… that happens all the time.

    This is just like how Sarah Palin calls the media “left wing media” whenever they disagree with her or make her look bad.

    …or make her look bad.

    I wasn’t aware it was the job of the media to “make people look bad.” Well, I guess if you’re anti-Palin, “making her look bad,” is much better than providing an honest report where she might not look so bad.

    This is why religion is bad.

    To me, this is why so many on the left are against Israel. They see it as a religious state, and therefore bad. Now, it’s much easier to attack Israel than to attack other religious places (say, Iran for example), because there’s less risk getting blown up for your opinion. Now, far be it from me to call this opinion cowardly, misinformed, arrogant, and hateful… but I’m thinking it pretty hard.
    It’s all propaganda. Israel is at fault, time to accept responsibility.

    JON DECLARES IT SO! The facts may not really reflect that… and all the facts aren’t necessarily in… but JON KNOWS IT! So it is written (by someone who would probably take the side against Israel no matter what), so it must be true!

    Protip: Don’t attack a boat of protestors that is recording your attack. lol.

    And why do you think they were recording it? What do you think they expected to happen? Does that not strike you as odd? Nah… I guess since you’ve already made up your mind based on THEIR statements, I doubt you questioned any of this critically.

  • SteveMG

    SteveMG have you been following Gaza and what’s been going on there? I’m equating that to the holocaust, not this incident.

    To equate the blockade of Gaza – done by Egypt too – with the Holocaust is a joke. And the blockade only stops weapons from going to Hamas. Food and medicine are permitted in. Both the Egyptian and Israel governments are worried about terrorists in Hamas getting weapons and using them against their people. That’s why they’ve had an arms embargo.

    You do know what the Nazis would have done with Gaza? They would have obliterated the place. Killed everyone.

    You can criticize Israel all you want. But using the Holocaust analogy only trivializes what people suffered during it.

    It’s not comparable to what the Nazis did and your argument that they do has no merit. None.

  • Chudi

    It’s not trivial or reckless to call an anti-semite, an anti-semite. I’m just stating the obvious.

  • SteveMG

    It’s not trivial or reckless to call an anti-semite, an anti-semite. I’m just stating the obvious.

    Well, it’s your call.

    I do believe that people who use the Holocaust analogy in criticizing Israel are pretty damned close to anti-semitism. Pretty. Damned. Close.

    It’s apparently not enough for them to just criticize Israel. No, they must use the most horrific incident in the modern history of human beings – an event where Jews were treated worse than animals – to condemn Israel.

    Those people who do so are either real anti-semites or historical illiterates. Nothing Israel has done is even remotely comparable to what Hitler did. Nothing.

  • Christine

    Helen Thomas proudly admits she’s a liberal hack and, yet, people say she’s good for the country? A blatantly biased “journalist”? Pure idiocy. She loves to blame the US and Israel every chance she can find. Here’s a tip: Don’t attack people with guns with knives. The guns always win. And thinking it’s cool to be provocative with Israel? Deadly mistake. If they want to check your ship for weapons, let them. Better yet, go home and watch a movie wannabes.

  • http://www.karlspensen.blogspot.com Karl Spensen

    CHRISTINE I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES

  • Christine

    Karl Spensen is a left-wing kook who entertains himself by posing as a right-wing kook. Click on his pic and you’ll go on a wild ride through his website. (you’re welcome) He even makes his own videos, and really what could go wrong with that? Besides the typical post-rampage video diary.

    Any ‘activist’ who intentionally puts himself in harm’s way should not complain when harmed. As with ‘human shields’, don’t complain when you get a bullet to the face. Morons.

  • JohnSimpson

    ganymede says:
    June 1, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    I Helen Thomas is a treasure. ”

    Yeah, one that should be buried.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Nelson/100000843821605 Kevin Nelson

    Helen gets special CIA briefs.

  • Bania

    karl’s THE BEST Christine !!!!!!2 THE BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNPmXth8Aoo

  • Christine

    Bania~

    Dear Lord. I hope you’re not his buddy there on keyboard. I’m almost convinced he has a human head in his freezer.

  • Bania

    Christine says:
    June 1, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    Bania~

    “Dear Lord. I hope you’re not his buddy there on keyboard. I’m almost convinced he has a human head in his freezer.”

    What are you talking about ? A head in a freezer isn’t a meal ! He’s supposed to buy me dinner at a nice restaurant , like Mendy’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donna-Schutza/818249522 Donna Schutza

    I bet those of the USS LIBERTY, who are not antisemitic, but who tell of the historical facts, of their attack, would have loved a reporter like Helen Thomas………….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Martin/43100610 Jon Martin

    Israel attacked innocent people and innocent people died. End of story. Don’t blame Helen Thomas, her asking a question doesn’t change the reality of what happened.

    Israel is a nation the US should no longer be funding, cut them off.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Moyer/508153453 Steve Moyer

    Q: What happens to American politicians who question the wisdom of Israeli domination and persecution of the Palestinians?

    A: They LOSE!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @Chudi
    I bet Michael Savage is also Anti-Semite. Go ahead, keep using the word loosely, until it becomes meaningless and the people would say if this action makes me anti-Semite, then so be it. Cause you’ve undermined the word. Jews who have brains both cons and libs are saying its a botch raid and it was a huge mistake on the part of Israel. But you would have us believe Israel cant do no wrong. Its only a matter of time before they crack, that was one ship out of 6. What if all the 6 ships have reacted the same way. What happens if ships are continuously been sent weekly, and you don’t have 5 to struggle with but 500 or more. By then it would be too late, trust me they are loosing it, paranoid as usual, you can hear it from your comment as well, just paranoid of the whole world comping for ya.

  • Michael_T

    Hooray for Ms. Helen Thomas, as the MSM treatment of this ill-conceived, embarrassing and shameful Israeli attack is puzzling.

    I’ve sampled several cable news programs today and this worldwide news event was definitely being underplayed (except on BBC where it was the #1 story). Perhaps the muted MSM response is at the request of someone in government.

    Early Tuesday morning Fox Business gave the story higher play than say MSNBC. Unfortunatley, when it was given the headline it deserved the pro-Israel bias was in full view as the reports tried to lesson Israel’s blame by focusing on the attacks by the other side.

    There is no set of facts which justifies the deaths of the flotilla civilians. Instead, faced with near universal revulsion and condemnation, Israel is trying very hard to change the subject away from the humanitarian consequences of the siege, or away from its clearly illegal boarding of a ship far out in international waters, to instead focus on the resistance of a small number of people on the attacked ship.

    To illustrate even the inadequacy of this defense, just imagine if the ships had been American ships delivering aid to victims of a Pakistani earthquake which were attacked by Al Qaeda.

  • Joseph

    It is all too apparent that America is Israel. Israel rules the USA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dayton-Perkins/1079173216 Dayton Perkins

    You go, Helen. Can you believe the hypocrisy in the Dem party talking transparency when we all know they are nothing but corporate/statist shills! And BTW… great job telling Obama “No Bushisms” the other day. You’re on a roll baby! God bless the truth!

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    What I find interesting is that the UN has FAILED to condemn North Korea’s sinking of the South Korean ship. Yet they peed themselves, while frothing at the mouth, to condemn Israel. The UN is simply just anti-Israel.

    Helen is nothing but another lib hack, more inclined to make statements as opposed to ask real questions. She’s has the right though to make whatever dumb comment she wants, and I’ve got the right to tell her she needs to fix her wig…it’s on backwards.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @ Liberty – Not Redistribution
    You can’t take on the issue she raised, but you open you mouth or hide behind your password and attack a lady that’s old enough to be your grand mother. Shame on you!

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    Kam Fet frothed:
    “You can’t take on the issue she raised, but you open you mouth or hide behind your password and attack a lady that’s old enough to be your grand mother. Shame on you!”

    She made a statement, more or less. She’s just another partisan hack. I don’t care if she’s old enough to be your grandmother. If she’s got the nads to sit in front of the the Big Man, she sure as hell better be able to take some criticism. She’s an embarrassment to her profession, which is saying a lot since I don’t have very high regards for modern journalists anyway.

    As for Israel, they have a legal right to enforce their blockade of Gaza. There were 6 ships, 5 agreed to be inspected at the port. This one declined so Israel boarded her. The initially came in with dispersal guns, paint ball guns with tear-gas type pellets. When the Al-Queada linked “peace protestors” started throwing commados off the lead deck, and attacking them with poles, they went hot and killed some people. They obviously made some mistakes but it is far from a “deliberate massacre” like Momma McNasty claims.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    The ship was in international waters. In reality their behaviour was piracy at the highest level. And you claim that the ship was full of al-Qa’ida linked group is not being sold on no one, only in the Jewish occupied land is it being accepted, and they are just trying to convince themselves and hope every one else would. They can hardly cope with these ships, wait till more come from Europe, Africa, mid-east lets see how they’ll cope. They can’t do this by themselves, and they have friends in Egypt who are helping them in this oppression..

    As for Ms Thomas, it appears to be a question to me. Perhaps it isn’t a question to you, because its the sort of comments that drives you nuts.

  • Liberty – Not Redistribution

    LOL…her comments don’t drive me nuts; they’re comical actually. When I look at Helen I see nothing but a senile old women.

    As far as Israel not being able to “cope,” well we will just have to see. They’ve been invaded by their neighbors on numerous occasions, and always end up on top. Your remark about “Jewish occupied land” clearly shows your anti-semite beliefs. I guess hate comes in many forms. I feel sorry for your parents.

  • MichelleF

    Now there is information that 40 of the so-called “peace activists” belong to Al-Qaeda.
    The IDF website reported:

    In a special meeting of the Security Cabinet it was disclosed that a group of 40 people on board the Mavi Marmara with no identification papers belong to Al Qaeda. The terrorists were equipped with bullet proof vests, night-vision goggles, and weapons.

    Jonatan Urich

    On board the Mavi Marmara ship that arrived as part of the flotilla to Gaza was a group of approximately 40 people with no identification papers, who are mercenaries belonging to the Al Qaeda terror organization. This was disclosed by the Israeli Security Cabinet, which gathered on Tuesday evening (June 1) for a special meeting.

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  • Joseph

    Israelis celebrating attack on Turkish Aid Ship – infront of Turkish Embassy,Tel Aviv: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk&feature=player_embedded

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @Liberty – Not Redistribution
    Don’t feel sorry for my parents feel sorry for yourself. You can’t get me with that anti-Semite crap, just like those who like to play the race card. I don’t buy it and the rest of the world is not buying it any-more. And I find it amusing that you didn’t comment on their Piracy act. You’ve lost the debate, so what do you resort to calling people anti-Semite to shut them up. Go ahead see if I care. Bet Michael Savage is also Anti Semite.

    By the way if you are so in love with their actions, why don’ t you pack your bag and live with them. Its easy for you to seat behind a password and do all the name calling.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @Burnnotice
    Am not buying the media campaign by the IDF. Like Michael Savage and Bill O’ Riley said, if anyone wants to board my shup on international waters, I’d fight them off. here’s my comment, I’d fight them off till there’s no more aggression. Keep doing their work for them, spreading the propaganda message. You still don’t get it, you don’t jump on other people’s boat on international water, its illegal, its piracy to make it go into your brain they are literally pirates of the middle east.

  • MrAut

    excellent smack in my view

  • ImNotBlue

    Jon Martin says:
    June 2, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Israel attacked innocent people…

    Innocent people who attacked them, violated the law, threw at least one person overboard, and beat the soldiers who came on board. You have a funny definition of “innocent.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    The only people that broke the rule in this incident are the Israeli Navy. They were the pirates jumping on other people’s boat in international waters. I don’t think you know what international water means. Let me make it clear, perhaps your brain can absorb and take it in slowly. Its like you coming into someone’s house at night/day without invitation, with your weapon on. By God, I have the right to blow your bloody head off, or throw you off the balcony, its within my right. Get it, they were wrong. Plain and simple. Now go ahead and play with you PC, and type the phrase ‘International waters’ on goggle, the first in the list would be one that links you to the wiki. Take some time to read the first paragraph and learn before talking about something you clearly have no knowledge off.

  • http://thedailybarb.com Burnnotice

    You have a point Kam Fet and I understand your view. The problem being the people on board this ship are not a peace loving people, but criminals bent on killing civilians. That is the hard plain truth. Ya let them go on there marry way and you risk them supplying militants with reinforcements, and murderous weapons, but hell don’t infringe on “their” rights? If I come to the U. S. as a suspected thug, carrying weapons. I would expect to be boarded by the Coast Guard for inspection anywhere. JMHO…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @Burnnotice
    When you say weapons you mean Knives and axe and iron rods. One machine gun is enough to blast them to the hereafter if they do.

    Reinforcement with militants. By God, you have a former US Ambassador on tone of those ship (an old man)
    An holocaust survival (In old age)
    Many female activists

    In regards to the scenario being played on the direction of the U.S. I bet they would be wise enough to let them enter their waters before intercepting them. In the end they only have minor weapons on board. One smart bomb is enough to send them off, if they were deemed dangerous.

  • RichS

    Kam Fet says:
    June 2, 2010 at 8:16 am
    The ship was in international waters. In reality their behaviour was piracy at the highest level.

    Where was the ship when the Israelis boarded her? I can’t find that detail on the internet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kam-Fet/572005492 Kam Fet

    @RichS
    You should have checked before commenting, to begin with.

  • writer

    O’Reilly brought up an interesting point. Most American Jews voted for Obama, yet the left tends to be anti-Israel. Doesn’t add up.

  • fizeit

    Why should Helen Thomas get a free pass to voice untrue ‘facts.’ Did she watch the video clips of the ‘massacre,’ by the so-called peace activists? Did she listen to the spokesman for the IDF on the two occasions in which he communicated with the ship in question? Or is she just free to give whatever spin to whatever story. It’s journalists like her who are embarrassing — not that they ask embarrassing questions (why not?) but to make statements that are provably and demonstrably false. Folks like her are particularly depresssing.

  • Nietzky

    Helen Thomas committed the Unpardonable Sin in questioning the very special relationship between the US and Israel.
    It is firmly established that a critique of ‘our only democratic friend in the Near East’ amounts simply to the forgone charge of anti-semitism.
    It is a matter of diplomacy for people to keep their opinons only to themselves.

  • Nachi

    Helen, of all people, surely knows better. We’ve been supporting, financially and ethically, atrocities of those people since before 1948. More “heroes.”

  • http://none pyrope

    I don’t know why Ms. Thomas has difficulty in dealing with the facts: The Israelies issued multiple warnings that the IHH was not to try running the blockade, the IHH ignored those multiple warnings. They got what they asked for–and a little more, perhaps. There are two things the Muslims cannot seem to understand: 1. You don’t go mucking about with the Israelis. 2. You STILL don’t go mucking about with the Israelis!

    That said, my previously posted remarks still stand: The Jews and the Muslims will NEVER quit fighting until one or the other is extinct AND THERE’S NOT A DAMNED THING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nestor-Delgado/1081625450 Nestor Delgado

    Helen Thomas ROCKS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nestor-Delgado/1081625450 Nestor Delgado

    “ The Israelies issued multiple”

    The “Israelis” are criminal murders in an ad hoc “state” that is illegal by its very nature. They slithered their way into “existence” and kill or slander anyone that doesn’t tow their party line. These “Israelis” have no right to issue anything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dayton-Perkins/1079173216 Dayton Perkins

    I can’t tell you how sick I am of the neocons. This is the “right wing extremists” that big media is looking for, except the “Liberals” are neocons too.
    We are supposed to be a Christian nation: Do you really think George Washington, Thomas Jefferson OR Honest Abe would support the neocon doctrine? … and of course it is all in the name of love. Whats that Jefferson quote about if the will of the majority violates the rights of the minority?
    Worth pondering. :-(
    I think this is perhaps the modern “generation of vipers”

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    @Dayton Perkins

    I have to agree with you that this new generation are vipers. Americas youth has truly lost its passion for truth, and will accept anything that conforms to their reality….

  • RichS

    Kam Fet says:
    June 2, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    @RichS
    You should have checked before commenting, to begin with.

    What are you talking about? Before I commented on what? I asked where the ship was, I’ve heard international waters but I’ve never been able to find a location. Previous to this I commented that we should wait until all the facts are in. Did you mean you expected me to make the investigation?

    In other words, what are you talking about?

  • Sean68

    What a stupid old hag. “A country that deliberately kills people…” Yeah, that’s a fair characterization. Your personal biases are showing, Helen!

  • http://none pyrope

    @Nestor Delgado: Spoken like the true goose-stepping moron that you are.

  • Rescuedog

    Who gave the Trash Heap from Fraggle Rock a seat in the White House press room?

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/puppet/images/thumb/2/26/Trash.Heap.jpg/300px-Trash.Heap.jpg

  • Rescuedog

    Oh, and her advice to Israelis is to “get the hell out of Palestine” and “go back to Germany and Poland.”

    Nice.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQdWBqt14

  • http://thedailybarb.com Burnnotice

    When Hitler ran Germany he told the Jews to go back to Palestine. Now this grown up Hitler youth Hag. Is telling them to go back to Germany. I just wish these Goosesteepers would make up their mind. Oh wait a minute Hitler just decided to gas them all instead. What do you think should be done Fraulein Thomas If the Jews won’t leave their homeland….. hmmmm?.

  • murphy0071

    Your characterizations of Helen are no more than mean spirited jabs by lack luster idiots. Her comment, while unusual was certainly no more than exaggeration. Britain and America created Israel and stole the land from the Palestinians. Now that the Israeli’s are murdering people on peaceful outreach to Palestine it should not go unnoticed. While sending the pack of jackals back to their originating countries is a farce, there is a tragedy in the high seas international waters illegal and criminal attack by the Israelis. They are now trying to smooth things over with the Palestinians and others. Netanyahu has always been a cretin who seeks to use military might to solve everything.

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