Read this to the end , Tommy . Obama never changed his name back after becoming Barry Soetoro . This is why he won’t release school records , etc. Turn this over to Chip or Jake ( actual journalists ) to investigate .

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/23/hawaii-ground-report-could-hawaiian-governor-neil-abercrombie-not-be-as-incompetent-and-foolish-as-he-appears-but-orchestrating-a-deliberate-birth-certificate-recovery-dead-end-to-cover-his-own-pap/

Can you picture any other president refusing to release his birth cert or his college transcripts?

Well, absurd as it may seems…I think ,after Abbercrombie, we all have, at least, a suspicion that this “crazy talk” is true.

Thanks, Abbercrombie!

Thats what liberal/leftists do. Instead of answering a question that attack for for asking it. You know them, the party of tolerance.

If I had been Cantor, I’d have answered this way: “I refuse to answer such a stupid effing question from a left-wing hack”.

It’s just like when Gregory and the rest of you liberals were pre-occupied with those who thought 9/11 was an inside job, except it’s not like that because you liberals either didn’t care or are/were part of that movement. The left-wing media is great at distractions. Obama is your boy & all of you will do your best to protect him & distract from the real issues. But, you will fail.

As I reported yesterday, Governor Abercrombie has called off his quest to end speculation about the President’s national origins,”

This birther thing by now is an irrelevant issue.

What you fail to point out, however, is that before the Gov. found the convenient excuse that privacy laws prevent him from releasing Barry’s birth certificate, is that Barry could waive his right to privacy with regard to this matter. MORE troubling was the the Gov. stated that contrary to his first assertion, THEY COULD NOT FIND BARRY’S BC IN THE ARCHIVES!

“Anti-Birther Hawaii Gov Can’t Find Obama’s Birth Certificate
Posted on January 20, 2011

Hawaii’s new governor, Neil Abercrombie, recently bashed “birthers” for doubting Obama’s birth eligibility for the presidency and vowed he would silence those dastard skeptics once and for all. Abercrombie now admits he can’t find Obama’s long-form birth certificate!

That is most curious because two years ago, on October 31 2008, Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health (DOH) Dr. Chiyome Fukino declared that she and Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin Onaka had personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate. More than that, Fukino claimed to have seen that elusive document with her own eyeballs:

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Oh, snap!

At least going by the quote, Cantor is a smarts/integrity-challenged dope.

Him not calling “Birthers” crazy means nothing because his opponents are going to keep on calling them crazy. And, a good portion of the GOP base can be smeared as “Birthers”.

Cantor isn’t smart enough to figure that out.

The smarter way to do things would be to simply tell the truth:

http://24ahead.com/n/9350

Simply telling the truth is beyond those like Cantor because they can’t even recognize the truth to begin with.

This “NO Birth Certificate thing” is starting to grow some legs.

I think Gregory sees that, as does the White House!

I have always thought he was probably born here, but had “Muslim” on his Birth Certificate and that would be a bad thing as he is trying to pass himself off as a Christian. He could get away by hanging with the Rev Wright.

What is coming out is that Hawaii has some crazy laws, meaning that as I understand it, you did not have to be born in Hawaii back then to get a birth certificate. And the newspaper announcement was the address of his grandparents. Hmmmmm As they say…stay tuned.

BR said:
Can you picture any other president refusing to release his birth cert or his college transcripts?

What’s so superfluous and picayune about your argument is that if there were anything to hide, which there is not, the rightist media would have long ago discovered it. We have a group of “journalists” in Amerika who have long been dedicated to nothing but the personal destruction of President Obama. They haven’t succeeded.

BatBoy said:
This “NO Birth Certificate thing” is starting to grow some legs

I’ almost sure you’re correct about that. Certainly, every extreme rightist twit in Amerika has shouted that out several times, and Orly Taitz, Dentist, Extension School Attorney, Real Estate Agent and Wig Model, the Leader of the Birthers, has grown in stature to become one of the most respected people in Amerika.

“I’m” sorry —-

Did I mention Cantor has only one ball, and it is very small.

A couple of things Tommy, first, it’s a stretch for you to try and associate Cantor with the birther movement. He simply refused to allow Gregory to lead him by the nose down the path of name calling. Your column is, at best, dishonest.

That said, why do you suppose that Soetoro has never simply made the damn thing public? There are only three possibilities. 1) It doesn’t exist. 2) It contains information that he wants hidden for some reason. 3) He thinks he can use birthers as a means to play poor little victim.

Tommy’s disgusting attempts at linking Palin to the Arizona murders was an epic fail. Tommy’s attempt at finding an equivalence between distortions from “right-wing media”, aka right-wings blogs, and the MSM was an embarrassing failure. Now, he’s trying to make something out of a non-existent birther movement. That will also result in failure. I’m not sure what’s coming next week. Glenn Beck was responsible for the JFK assassination? Fox News was behind 9/11? Bill O’Reilly”s great-great-great grandpappy inspired John Wilkes Boothe with his anti-Lincoln rhetoric? Who knows?

Someone leaked Tommys grades.

…Creative Writing A+
…Ethics D
…Logic C-
…Phys Ed F

BatBoy said:
Someone leaked Tommys grades. …Creative Writing A+…Ethics D…Logic C-…Phys Ed F

One might wonder why you don’t squat elsewhere.

lonestar77 said:
Tommy’s disgusting attempts at linking Palin to the Arizona murders was an epic fail. Tommy’s attempt at finding an equivalence between distortions from “right-wing media”, aka right-wings blogs, and the MSM was an embarrassing failure. Now, he’s trying to make something out of a non-existent birther movement. That will also result in failure. I’m not sure what’s coming next week. Glenn Beck was responsible for the JFK assassination? Fox News was behind 9/11? Bill O’Reilly”s great-great-great grandpappy inspired John Wilkes Boothe with his anti-Lincoln rhetoric? Who knows?

I don’t particularly think Tommy did that. In fact, not at all. But, you have to admit that Palin’s favorability ratings have plummeted in an amazing fashion. Linkage to Tucson? Palin fatigue? Who’s to say?

The Real Royal King said:
Did I mention Cantor has only one ball, and it is very small.

Guess you know all about small balls, eh?

What is Obama hiding and why?

juan said:
Guess you know all about small balls, eh?

Yes, I have many Republican friends.

Apparently your intellect and reason. I’ll ask our President to return them. It’s rather cruel.

The Real Royal King said:
One might wonder why you don’t squat elsewhere.

I don’t particularly think Tommy did that. In fact, not at all. But, you have to admit that Palin’s favorability ratings have plummeted in an amazing fashion. Linkage to Tucson? Palin fatigue? Who’s to say?

Who cares? The left is way more preoccupied with Palin than the right is. If they were smart, they wouldn’t go after her so hard. She has no chance at the nomination but they continue to obsess over her.

lonestar77 said:
Who cares? The left is way more preoccupied with Palin than the right is. If they were smart, they wouldn’t go after her so hard. She has no chance at the nomination but they continue to obsess over her.

I don’t think so. It seems every day is there is an attack against Palin, even a coup here or there from the right.

I’m a big Palin defender because of the way she’s treated by the media. But, she’s not in my top 5 picks for the Republican nomination. I wouldn’t care anything about her if she weren’t relentlessly attacked by the left. I think some on the left confuse supporting Palin as a candidate vs. defending her against ridiculous daily attacks from the media. The only people I see obsessed with her (other than Ziegler) are lefties.

The Real Royal King said:
I’ almost sure you’re correct about that. Certainly, every extreme rightist twit in Amerika has shouted that out several times, and Orly Taitz, Dentist, Extension School Attorney, Real Estate Agent and Wig Model, the Leader of the Birthers, has grown in stature to become one of the most respected people in Amerika.

This whole “Birth Certificate” issue was kicked off by Democrat supporters of Hillary. Why won’t his O-ness release his long form birth certificate, High school, college transcripts and any applications for education grants and scholarships?

Every time Mediaite keeps referring to Birthers as “Crazy, I’m gonna keep asking why it’s “Crazy” to request verification of the Constitutional qualifications of your President. So far, no answer.

The Real Royal King said:
Did I mention Cantor has only one ball, and it is very small.

Hate speech. I thought we aren’t supposed to throw around nazi comparisons? Why are you so hate filled?

For those who are absolutely convinced Barack Obama was born in Hawaii by two U.S. citizen parents, please explain why he has spent $1.7 million to conceal his long-form birth certificate, his financial aid applications to Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard universities? Why is his Social Security number listed for Connecticut? Why did his mother abandon him three weeks after he was born to study at the University of Washington? Why did his Kenyan, Marxist, father marry three other women, provide no child support, and they only visited one time during Barack’s lifetime?

I never like to miss an opportunity to reiterate what a poor excuse David Gregory is for Tim Russert. He’s not fit to carry Tim’s jock strap. The worst part of it is that David does his lame Sunday morning act on purpose. Yuk!!

Tell us all again.
Why exactly did Abercrombie call off his quest….?

Cantor needs to keep up the illusions for the brain dead elements in his party. In fact, without being the prefered party of the brain dead, the GOP would never get elected. No wonder both GW Bush and Palin are considered intellectual leaders in their party.

24AheadDotCom said:
Simply telling the truth is beyond those like Cantor because they can’t even recognize the truth to begin with.

Why should a GOP leader start telling the truth now? Lies have gotten this far.

Hey Tommy,
Look up the word delusional and there is a picture of you!

What the hell did Cantor have to say other than he recognizes that Obama was born in the U.S. Can you not take yes for an answer. Create the trouble, create the trouble. You guys are all alike, not a lick of common sense.

If you want a story, go find out why Obama will not show the certificate. When he does, it is all over and the Birthers will not have a shred of creditability on anything they say.

FERV888

Bot said:
For those who are absolutely convinced Barack Obama was born in Hawaii by two U.S. citizen parents, please explain why he has spent $1.7 million to conceal his long-form birth certificate, his financial aid applications to Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard universities? Why is his Social Security number listed for Connecticut? Why did his mother abandon him three weeks after he was born to study at the University of Washington? Why did his Kenyan, Marxist, father marry three other women, provide no child support, and they only visited one time during Barack’s lifetime?

Of which Tea Party faction are you a member?

FERV888 said:
Hey Tommy,
Look up the word delusional and there is a picture of you!

What the hell did Cantor have to say other than he recognizes that Obama was born in the U.S. Can you not take yes for an answer. Create the trouble, create the trouble. You guys are all alike, not a lick of common sense.

If you want a story, go find out why Obama will not show the certificate. When he does, it is all over and the Birthers will not have a shred of creditability on anything they say.

FERV888

No, it wouldn’t go away. One doesn’t placate lunatics. It only makes them loonier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P16ckPGgpKY

Why would he say it’s crazy talk? While most of us don’t agree with the “birthers”, there is certainly good reason for them to think the way they do.

BatBoy says:
Someone leaked Tommys grades.

…Creative Writing A+
…Ethics D
…Logic C-
…Phys Ed F

HAHA, I don’t care who you are, that there’s funny!

FERV888 said:
What the hell did Cantor have to say other than he recognizes that Obama was born in the U.S. Can you not take yes for an answer.

Right. Saying that Obama was born in America is a refusal to reject “crazy talk”. All it does it completely disagree with it. Welcome to Tommy’s world.

The Real Rabid Kook said:
No, it wouldn’t go away. One doesn’t placate lunatics. It only makes them loonier.

Thank you for the expert opinion, Kook.

I take everything in Game Change with a grain of salt, but according to the book, McCain’s team thoroughly investigated the issue and concluded there was no truth to it.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Why would he say it’s crazy talk? While most of us don’t agree with the “birthers”, there is certainly good reason for them to think the way they do.

Having it both ways?

No, I don’t think so, Paul. I’m saying I don’t believe it, but I don’t think those that do are “crazy” since there is evidence to support it.

Why don’t you believe it if there is evidence to support it?

Paul, I think that Obama is intentionally letting questions about it fester.. He could put a stop to it once and for all and doesn’t. I think he likes the controversy.

ps, I think it’s funny whenever there is a thread about this that the author “forgets” to mention that HIllary Clinton was the original birther. The perception is that it’s a right wing conspiracy, but that’s not the case. There are a plenty of left wing birthers.

So you think he keeps it alive intentionally as part of a political strategy? Interesting suggestion.

Crazy people are not and have never been exclusive to a single political party, that’s for sure.

Paul,
If you notice, the ONLY time you ever hear about this “controversy”, is when a liberal in the press is talking about it (Tingles, Gregory). I think the strategy is to make is seem like it’s a common feeling among the right and that’s not true.

Certain elements do like to bring it up, no doubt about that.

Imagine Tommy writing a similar article to this about the “teabaggers” or “tea party patriots” and state that those who call them “racists” were part of the “fringe left”. It would never happen….but the claims that the tea party patriots are racist are more absurd than those who claim the Obama was not born in the USA or at least equally as stupid.

The left wing media has never pursued the truth about Obama’s undergrad college records – NEVER! Only hehimselftheone was allowed to put an end to the investigation into his past, birth, college, his association with Ayers and the weather underground, etc.

Obama got a pass by the left wing loon fringe media (which is pretty much every media outlet out there (abccbsnb cmsnsbcnnnytimesetc.)

I look forward to the day when mediaite will show me a sense of fairness and balance. Where is the headline about the looney left???.

Tommy – have you ever asked to see Obama’s undergrad college records? Ever?

TfT said:
Tommy – have you ever asked to see Obama’s undergrad college records? Ever?

So I guess you forgot that Bush refused to release his college records. Maybe because it proved he was not the brighest bulb in the country?

notsofast said:
Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

They saw it, their faces went pale, they declared that no one is allowed to see it because no one has a vital interest.
If Hawaii was (in the 60′s as one theorey surmises), providing certificates without atending doctor nurse signatures and hospital location, then this kind of birth certificate just may be what the registrar was looking at. Their statements still remain true, in the legal sense. There just may something on that record that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! I’ll post twice Just to give space for comment..

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
No, I don’t think so, Paul. I’m saying I don’t believe it, but I don’t think those that do are “crazy” since there is evidence to support it.

So Michele if you don’t believe as the birthers do why wouldn’t you stand up to them and say what you believe?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Paul,If you notice, the ONLY time you ever hear about this “controversy”, is when a liberal in the press is talking about it (Tingles, Gregory). I think the strategy is to make is seem like it’s a common feeling among the right and that’s not true.

I don’t see Gregory as a lefty. Tweetie yes. We lefties don’t accept Gregory as one of us.

Allow me to quote from Atlas Shrugged website another plausable explanation of secrecy:

the writer writes:
I honestly and truly believe this solves the entire mystery.

It is seriously this straightforward.

* Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961

* Obama was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s

* Obama’s name was indeed changed to Barry Soetoro in the 1970s

* Obama’s birth certificate was altered per Hawaiian law to reflect his new name in the 1970s

* Obama never changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” — most likely because he used “Barry Soetoro” on all of his student aid applications for college, and probably received foreign student grants and admissions assistance playing off his years living in Indonesia

* All the records, transcripts, documents, and paperwork Obama continues to hide from the public is all hidden because it lists his name as “Barry Soetoro” on all of it.

* Obama will not allow his birth certificate to be released because it lists the “wrong” name on it: Barry Soetoro

It is as simple as this, folks…..
We have a requirement that a President be certified to be a ‘natural born citizen’ to serve in the office. It is not a major burden to supply documentation to prove such eligibility.

I submit this for your amusement.

This birth certificate stuff is SO stupid. With all the haters out there someone would have proved this by now. If you don’t think McCain and Hillary didn’t try you are crazier than the birthers are. It is just bloggers heaven to keep all this going on.

You can count both myself and Governer Ambercrombie innocent bystanders. You don’t have to be a birther to get innocently dragged into this.

BR said:
Can you picture any other president refusing to release his birth cert or his college transcripts?

I can’t picture anyone else being asked after supplying the certifcate Obama produced already.

By the way, I was just going through my own files and found the birth certificate I had to send away for back in 2002 to get a passport. It’s much like Obama’s certificate of live birth. I don’t have the real one, FWIW. Kentucky has that.

It says issued in 2002, and looks a lot like Obama’s. It also, I noticed, shows that my father was only 20 years old, and my mother 26. My father was actually 29. Hopefully I never run for office or that will be a problem. Yet it was sufficient proof for me to get a passport back then, and I’ve used it a couple more times since. Each time it was accepted and considered a valid birth certificate.

It is amazing how stupid or deliberately deceptive so many people are. Or maybe it isn’t. Perhaps it is just sad.

There is a straightforward and important difference between:

**claiming someone is not a citizen**

and

**demanding proof of someone’s citizenship.**

Those who have simply demanded proof of Obama’s citizenship are falsely accused of claiming he is not a citizen. This is either IDIOTIC or DELIBERATELY DECEPTIVE.

The “proof” that has been offered is a modern document that a government bureaucrat can produce in 30 seconds, saying anything. It could say Mickey Mouse was born in Hawaii. It is not a document that can be cross-checked for authenticity as could AN ORIGINAL THAT DATES FROM THE TIME OF BIRTH.

As it has been described in many places, the process for getting the modern, green, computer-printed form is to have ONE bureaucrat from state government pull a file, read and interpret the original birth certificate in that file, and then tell the computer to print out a green form with a few of the details from the original on it. As such, the form Obama has produced does not attest to his birth in Hawaii directly, as would the original. Instead, it only proves that ONE BUREAUCRAT ATTESTS to the existence and content of the original.

We are led to understand that the soldiers who man missile silos work in pairs, not knowing each other, to ensure no single person can launch a missile. And yet the order to launch those missiles can come from one man, allowed in office based on the word of one bureaucrat in the state government of Hawaii?!

It is very simple. A post as important as the President of the United States should not NEEDLESSLY rely on the word of one bureaucrat. It is just foolish.

There is no crime in demanding reasonable proof, especially when reasonable proof would be so easily obtained. Rather, there is a crime in denying reasonable proof be furnished.

It is a sad testimony to the percentage of fools and liars in our country that the debate over demanding reasonable (and easily furnished) proof gets muddied with talk of tinfoil hats and the slander that “you are denying his citizenship” when most are simply demanding that the reasonable, available proof be shown. The person making the request that proof be shown is wrongly maligned as both crazy and as making claims he has not made about what the evidence shows, when that person has ONLY asked to SEE the evidence.

This is simple. The basic truths I have outlined should not be controversial. Those who propagate the lies are fools, or worse, liars who know better. It is shameful.

Likewise, Tommy Christopher should be ashamed of his comment about “throwing gasoline and tin foil on the fringe meme.” In addition to its mutant, broken metaphor, this statement reveals his sickening bias, and willingness to turn a blind eye to the reality that most DON’T claim to know what the original birth certificate contains, but simply want to SEE THE ORIGINAL FOR THEMSELVES RATHER THAN NEEDLESSLY TAKE THE WORD OF ONE PERSON WHO ATTESTS THAT HE SAW THAT ORIGINAL. Tommy happily signs up to the lie of the world divided simply into those who believe he is a citizen and those crazies who do not. Real reporting would seek to de-bunk this false dichotomy in the interest of truth.

But truth, it seems, is not what Tommy Christopher seeks, nor what he seeks to propagate.

Just_MC said:
It is very simple. A post as important as the President of the United States should not NEEDLESSLY rely on the word of one bureaucrat. It is just foolish.

Here here! Big thumbs up! Thanks for this post.

If Obama’s mother was a legal citizen of this country at the time of his birth then he’s a legal citizen. As long as one parent was a legal citizen, that should be the deciding criteria for citizenship. Geographic birth is ridiculous, and should be Legislatively corrected by this Congress!

There is no truth existing which I fear, or would wish unknown to the whole world”. Thomas Jefferson

Is Mr. Obama president to ALL the people?? Or just to those who cast a vote for him and zealously wish him to have no imperfections ( but secretly fear he does which would make them the biggest dupes in history).
I dont think what the BIRTHERS ask for is unreasonable, rather i find that spending a million dollars on lawyer fees to keep it out of court somewhat bizarre.
Hopefully states will pass laws requiring proof of eligibility to get on the ballot.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST >. I THINK A DNA TEST IS THE FIRST STEP!!! I BELIEVE WHAT OBMA IS HIDING IS THAT THE COMMIE PERVERT FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS IS HIS BIOLOGICAL FATHER.

CA CONSERVATIVE >. read the BERG case >. it will explain the law that existed in August 1961, which states in brief that citizenship can not automatically be conferred if the mother is under the age of 18>> It is amazing how little the libs know about this issue >. they do not know the difference between a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH and a birth certificate. Many of them base their entire agruement on some postings in a newspaper. Can you imagine their outrage if a republican president was unable or unwilling to provide proof of his natural born status??

SUPPORT HR 1503 >. THE PRESIDENTIAL ELIGIBILITY ACT>> CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSPERSON

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
By law a certified photocopy of the original is for all purposes considered the original.

Not an abbreviated copy, but a copy of the original.

Nice try though, pea brain.

http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/a-monster/

Didn’t take long to get to the name calling did it?

The point is the certificate he’s shown IS proof of citizenship. I’ve been able to supply the abbreviated copy, as you call it, and it has passed muster for anyone requiring a birth certificate. My guess is Obama is also not the first politician to use this as his “de facto” birth certificate.

shortstopk said:
The point is the certificate he’s shown IS proof of citizenship.

Be accurate. It is only proof that one bureaucrat in Hawaii claims there is a birth certificate on file with that content.

Would you accept a single note from Dick Cheney that there were WMDs in Iraq, as a justification to go to war?