Hmm,

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”
Barack Obama 6-14-2008.

“I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
Barack Obama 9-17-2008

“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends . . .”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

Plus what the other Democrats have said.

Pot, meet kettle (steroids edition). Olbermann nor Maddow have absolutely no legitimacy to criticize rhetoric from the right. Now that it looks like you have the upper hand, you are trying to diminish a game that you two have succeeded in playing for years? Please, now is not the time for any Olbermann soliloquy or Maddow commentary, I don’t want to hear it from either of you. For the time being, GO AWAY.

And Tommy, if you think Palin is guilty, then own up to it and say she’s guilty. Don’t hide it behind the guise of journalistic analysis. It is spineless and cheap.

^^^ listen to these fools ^^^ You know, eventually you right wingers will get sick and tired of your own ignorance. None of you have watched the video, bc if you did you would have seen that Olbermann didn’t really attack the right but everyone who uses the language of inciting violence. Morons.

Oh my, just give this guy the Oscar already! Maybe he’ll go away!

Sad how he uses this incident to try and bring down those he hates. It won’t work.

I agree with his commentary.

God bless America, shed His grace on thee, and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea.

His commentary is good but he is a major practitioner of what he condemns as are Maddow, Hannity, Matthews, Bolling, Schultz, Beck, Palin, Scarborough and the rest. If Olbermann had any sense of decency he would have stayed home instead of rushing to the studio to cash in on the ratings potential. At the end of the day it is the pundocracy that drives the angry rhetoric. They need the ideological divide to be as big as possible so they are relevant. Those named here and their “peers” like Limbaugh and Moore are more to blame for the partisan crapfest than any elected official.

What’s really ironic, and it’ll be wonderful to wait and see if the truth telling journalist Olby himself talks about this, is the fact that Daily Kos scrubbed quite a little angry rant from one of their own related to GIffords…

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/08/my-congresswoman-voted-against-nancy-pelosi-and-is-now-dead-to-me-eerie-daily-kos-hit-piece-on-gabrielle-giffords-just-two-days-before-assassination-attempt-on-her/

Now it could be BS, but it looks pretty legit. So one, and maybe you can address this Tommy, why did Kos scrub this so quickly? And two, will Olby or the Wife Beater or Tingles address this at all? Or, will they just keep blaming the GOP and FNC?

Bonafied, certifiable nut cases like Keith Olbermann, and Ed Schultz, all of whom are on msnbc, should be FIRED for all the hate talk they spew forth on a daily basis. Especially Edith and Ms. Olbermann. Those two idiots are by far the worst persons in the world and both are in the Psycho Zone. Seriously, those weirdos rant their hatred every single day. Nobody takes msnbc seriously anymore. The bosses over at 30 Rock need to grow up and get their imbecilic talking heads to just disappear.

Sara Palin had nothing to do with these shootings and any attempt to use the death of these people to score cheap political points should be condemn by everyone with any sense of decency including you Tommy Christopher.

Okay folks, read em before Kos and Google remove em!

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2011/1/6/134228/2362/60#c60

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg

If that last pic is correct, an alleged screen grab of the shooters FB page, then wow, does the media have this wrong… Imagine!

One can only hope that once and for all, that if this guy was the far leftist he may very well turn out to be, that FNC and the GOP, or whoever, will have the balls to not only POINT OUT THE FACT THAT HE’S A LEFTIST LOON, but that the media NOT only tried to cover that fact up, but went out to DESTROY the Tea Party and GOP.

Looking at Jared Loughner’s face book page a few things jump out.

Jared loves hunting Children.

Jared wants to be a woman.

Jared is interested in Men.

http://s1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd403/cgoodwright/?action=view&current=LoughnerScreen2.jpg

Sure sounds like a Palin/Beck devotee to me.

WildMan said:
Bonafied, certifiable nut cases like Keith Olbermann, and Ed Schultz, all of whom are on msnbc, should be FIRED for all the hate talk they spew forth on a daily basis. Especially Edith and Ms. Olbermann. Those two idiots are by far the worst persons in the world and both are in the Psycho Zone. Seriously, those weirdos rant their hatred every single day. Nobody takes msnbc seriously anymore. The bosses over at 30 Rock need to grow up and get their imbecilic talking heads to just disappear.

according to the folks at olbermannwatch Keith has less then two months left to go on his contract. Tick Tock Tick Tock.

puck30 said:
according to the folks at olbermannwatch Keith has less then two months left to go on his contract. Tick Tock Tick Tock.

Let’s hope , because he is mentally ill , I have no doubt.

Some guy went nuts and tried to kill some people. That’s all that happened here. Let’s move on with our lives and most importantly, our freedoms. Don’t let the media suck you by making you hear their inane lectures about public safety and b.s. gun violence statistics. WE NEED MORE FREEDOM, NOT LESS.

Here’s some something else you can link to:

Democrat Harry Mitchell Places Opponent in Crosshairs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA

Wonder if Olbermann saw that.

And as for Olbermann, How many days did he manage to not do his “Worst person in the world” after Jon Stewart called for civility? 2? 3?

The easy joke would be to repudiate Olbermann, but I’ve done that before.

As others have noted, the violent rhetoric isn’t productive and is actually harmful to our people, much like the desire by some to divide us into “right”, “left”, “my side” and “theirs”. Obviously there’s a need for many people to tone down their rhetoric and as I commented to the Geraldo post, Ms. Palin is obviously going to have to make an extra effort because of the coincidence that was her ad, but there’s nothing to indicate that today had anything to do with politics and there’s no reason for everyone, everywhere to apologize or be repudiated. It’s just that next time, there are some who should better choose their words.

Also, I see all over the place that a lot of people are quoting from Sheriff Dupnik, but unless something has turned-up in his investigation, there’s nothing to indicate that this event had anything except a cursory political relationship — high-profile person with limited security at a public event, guaranteed to generate national news — and though I don’t disagree with his general statement, he’s quite famous for speaking his mind. (2010, 2006)

With all that said and because I had to sit through Olbermann trying to paint himself as being so much better than everyone else, all because he’s reached a conclusion that so many other people already knew, I’m going to take an indulgence and blockquote a bit from last fall’s Rally to Restore Sanity;

We hear every damn day about how fragile our country is—on the brink of catastrophe, torn by polarizing hate and how it’s a shame that we can’t work together to get things done. But the truth is we do. We work together to get things done every damn day. The only place we don’t [Gestures across the Mall and toward the Capitol.] is here or on cable TV. But Americans don’t live here or on cable TV. Where we live, our values and principles form the foundation that sustains us while we get things done—not the barriers that prevent us from getting things done. Most Americans don’t live their lives solely as Democrats, Republicans, liberals or conservatives. Americans live their lives more as people that are just a little bit late for something they have to do. Often something they do not want to do. But they do it. Impossible things, every day, that are only made possible through the little, reasonable compromises we all make.We know, instinctively, as a people, that if we are to get through the darkness and back into the light, we have to work together. And the truth is, there will always be darkness. And sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel isn’t the Promised Land. Sometimes, it’s just New Jersey.–Jon Stewart

Olbermann used this to boost his “last place” pathetic ratings. If you notice, on the weekends, MSNBC instead of “NEWS”, they offer a show “Lockup” about prisons… go figure they are desperate, MAthews, Shultz, Lesbian Maddow, Lawrence who admited he is a socialist, and the whole bunch are pathetic.
Olbermann is a coward, and probably scared, (look at how he acted at the Republican Convention) will not post a email address unlike Oreilly and Beck.
Just like Matthews, who acts rudely to people and interupts them before they answer(unless they are liberals)
I agree- FIRE the whole bunch of losers. Reality is coming.
Hope the congresswoman pulls through her wounds, and prayers are with her family., but Olbermann did this just for ratings. what a coward.

Whoops! I must’ve miscoded my 2010 link and obviously my attempted workaround to format the blockquote didn’t work. If you’d prefer them formatted, the closing remarks are transcribed, here.

btimsah said:
Some guy went nuts and tried to kill some people. That’s all that happened here. Let’s move on with our lives and most importantly, our freedoms. Don’t let the media suck you by making you hear their inane lectures about public safety and b.s. gun violence statistics. WE NEED MORE FREEDOM, NOT LESS.

Absolutely , fear can not dictate our liberty

Keith’s an idiot. He didn’t fail to embarrass me for politicizing this.

But I must confess, he is like a mad dog who bites the neighbor you hate.
Sure, the dog must be shot, but your kinda happy the neighbor got bitten.

Any fair-minded person would have to acknowledge that this tragedy, coupled with Rep. Giffords’ inclusion on Sarah Palin’s “crosshair map,” naturally leads one to connect the two, at least cognitively.

I do not accept Tommy Christopher as the arbiter of what is fair-minded.

It just bugs me when he tries to take the high road after literally living the low road all these years.
He has no right to lecture anyone. About anything. Ever.

BFD said:
Sure, the dog must be shot, but your kinda happy the neighbor got bitten.

Oh shit.
I didn’t realize I used a shooting metaphor.
That was kinda dumb considering the circumstances.

Of course I don’t condone shooting anyone, man or dog. Or Keith.

BFD said:
Keith’s an idiot. He didn’t fail to embarrass me for politicizing this. But I must confess, he is like a mad dog who bites the neighbor you hate.Sure, the dog must be shot, but your kinda happy the neighbor got bitten.

That’s what i dont get .. you scream Keith is an idiot , but get a kick out of the outcome….. lol…

BFD said:
Oh shit.
I didn’t realize I used a shooting metaphor.
That was kinda dumb considering the circumstances.

I’m sure it will target you for ridicule.

Magister said:
I’m sure it will target you for ridicule.

I see what you did there.

“Target” me? lolol

murf said:
That’s what i dont get .. you scream Keith is an idiot , but get a kick out of the outcome….. lol…

It makes perfect sense to me.
It just means I hate both Keith and the right.
I’m multi-hating. :)

Anyone trying to dismiss a connection to Palin’s hate speech and actions should read this

http://archivist.leapserve.com/uncategorized/re-visiting-a-prophetic-post-marianne-williamsons-letter-to-sarah-palin-in-april-2010/

I don’t like Keith’s usual snarkyness and I usually don’t watch him. However, I think his special comments are outstanding.

BFD said:
“Target” me? lolol

Well, in all his wisdom, Keith apparently thinks the word should be eliminated and struck from our vocabulary. Of course, he seems to say that only political speech should be so bound, perhaps because he doesn’t want to anger a department store with their advertising cash, but even just keeping it from the one narrow field raises a lot of questions. For instance would the phrases “fundraising target” or “targeted constituent community” also be gagged? I guess the best thing to do, if you’re wanting to follow Olbermann and his narrow vision would be to just eliminate the word altogether, perhaps using repudiation as a tool.

Karen Ono said:
Anyone trying to dismiss a connection to Palin’s hate speech and actions should read this http://archivist.leapserve.com/uncategorized/re-visiting-a-prophetic-post-marianne-williamsons-letter-to-sarah-palin-in-april-2010/

Yeah except those pesky hard left-leaning facts that mimick Jared’s beliefs ..jesus f’ckin christ you people are dense…

Palin “scrubbing” her website is an admitted @tommyxtopher lie http://tinyurl.com/3y4fjz3 Now, @keitholbermann admits he propagates this lie, too.

@keitholbermann half truth, obfuscating propaganda: REPUDIATE A GIVEN SO THAT I CAN SAY “WHY ARE THEY DENOUNCING IT IF THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT?”
ssshhhhhh, @keitholbermann just did that with the Palin “scrub” lie that NEVER HAPPENED which proves HE’S A LYING PROPAGANDIST

keeping things in perspective, @keitholbermann’s 3 day “firing” http://tinyurl.com/2akbwoz was for campaign donations to…wait for it…Gifford. And, @keitholbermann spent days on @msnbc lobbying against Gifford’s opponent…wait for it…Kelly. The same Kelly @keitholbermann just slandered by attempting to conflate him with the Gifford shooting.

So, it’s pretty simple, “fired” campaign contributor @keitholbermann…objective or a nefarious propagandist?

@PoliticalPAW

a little too quick for a special comment Keith

@Tommy: The following is a good example of the harm caused by all of the hyperbolic “left”, “right”, “my side”, “their side”, “police your own” rhetoric;

PoliticalPAW said:
keeping things in perspective, @keitholbermann’s 3 day “firing” http://tinyurl.com/2akbwoz was for campaign donations to…wait for it…Gifford. And, @keitholbermann spent days on @msnbc lobbying against Gifford’s opponent…wait for it…Kelly. The same Kelly @keitholbermann just slandered by attempting to conflate him with the Gifford shooting.

Now everything Keith said in the clip can be dismissed by those who feel he’s “the other” and though the general concept of asking public figures to measure their words may be admirable, Olbermann’s “Special Comment” can be called nothing but politics, now.

(PoliticalPAW: We may not agree, but good find)

puck30 said:
according to the folks at olbermannwatch Keith has less then two months left to go on his contract. Tick Tock Tick Tock.

Thank you, Puck30. That is the best news of the day. May you be granted 30 wishes on the day of Keith’s departure. I just hope Keith takes fat ol’ Edie with him to hell. lolol

BTW: Compounding the donation angle some may try to use against Mr. Olbermann is the fact that his political donation has as much to do with his editorial, as the rhetoric from cable hosts had to do with the events of the day.

Remember when Keith Olbermann was relevant?

That’s ok, me neither.

Keith Oberman …just trying to get some viewers in despair. Poor gay….ops!…poor guy!
:o)

Christ!! All this bla..bla…bla..or should I say ..yada..yada..yada?…to condenm metaphorical speach? No more methaphors that’s THE THING?

Nonsense. Lunatics will do what they want to do, no matter how delicate and meticulous someone can curb criticism.

Come on!!!

most of you rightwingers are a part of the problem,what has keith O done that can be compared to beck orieley or hannity? This is pure crazyness.

the tea party,fox news,republican leaders, conservatives and the msm who stood by and let rhetoric get this bad are all to blame,including this website which is home for rightwing fox news watching teabagging racist ass holes.

beamangrow said:
most of you rightwingers are a part of the problem,what has keith O done that can be compared to beck orieley or hannity? This is pure crazyness.

Ummm…the whole “Heil Hitler, war criminal, Nazi, meatbag, scott brown racist homophobic woman hater , cheney go to hell comments for starters.

Those are not proud moments for someone who calls himself a journalist.

BFD says:
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beamangrow said:
most of you rightwingers are a part of the problem,what has keith O done that can be compared to beck orieley or hannity? This is pure crazyness.

Ummm…the whole “Heil Hitler, war criminal, Nazi, meatbag, scott brown racist homophobic woman hater , cheney go to hell comments for starters.

Those are not proud moments for someone who calls himself a journalist

yes it wasnt,but he never singled out night after night one person and refered to as baby killer,or some should do something about this baby killer.Keep defending these people.

as for cheney,he lied to get the country to war,thereby killing thousands of people.like i said keep defending the insane and they creep into the ms

beamangrow said:
as for cheney,he lied to get the country to war,thereby killing thousands of people.like i said keep defending the insane and they creep into the ms

LOL…Not sticking up for Cheney, O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Gingrich or Palin. They are all asshats imo.
So is Keith. He is part of the problem too.
I may be a partisan but I’m not a blind partisan.
We should expect more from our side.

It is also true that the “crosshair map” was grossly irresponsible.

Nonsense. You people are lunatics.

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beamangrow said:
as for cheney,he lied to get the country to war,thereby killing thousands of people.like i said keep defending the insane and they creep into the ms

LOL…Not sticking up for Cheney, O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Gingrich or Palin. They are all asshats imo.
So is Keith. He is part of the problem too.
I may be a partisan but I’m not a blind partisan.
We should expect more from our side.

i undertstand your point,where i disagree is putting them all in one bowl.sure keith says stuff that many will disagree with,but i have never heard him calling for ones death,that is what orieley,beck and most rightwing people does.

Pablo said:
Nonsense. You people are lunatics.

Giffords said it was irresponsible and she now has a bullet in her brain.

Who do you think the American public is going to believe?

Are they going to draw connections that don’t exist or are they going to look at why this nut pulled the trigger? Sane people are not going to blame Sarah Palin. People who blame Sarah Palin are not sane.

You people won’t be happy until she gets shot, will you?

The ONLY person responsible for the shooting is the shooter. Anyone that says otherwise is crazy.

beamangrow said:
but i have never heard him calling for ones death,that is what orieley,beck and most rightwing people does.

When have you heard that? Quotes, please.

You lie.

Nacho said:
I agree with his commentary.

God bless America, shed His grace on thee, and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea.
______________________________________________________________________
Pablo says:
January 8, 2011 at 11:40 pm (Quote)
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armwood said:
Navada Republican “Tea Party” Senate candidate Sharon Angle talked about “Second Amendment remedies” if she lost.
You lie, armwood. Bring the quote.

Why do you lie?

George C says:
January 8, 2011 at 11:44 pm (Quote)

Pablo said:
You lie, armwood. Bring the quote.
Why do you lie?
It has been hypothesized that chronic or pathological lying is not a mental disorder of it’s own. In fact, it is not recognized in the DSM-IV . Instead, it is viewed as a symptom of another mental disorder that is present, such as delusional thinking, psychopathy, or narcissism

We have some very ignorant and dishonest people on this blog. Their lack of integrity and apparent lack of any critical thinking abilities cover to the type of rhetoric and the climate that produces an attack like this. People who live in denial are a significant part of the problem . Below is the quote that Pablo and George C said I was lying about which Mediiaiate is discussing here:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There are some incredibly ignorant and dishonest people on this blog. They lie at will, call names at will and never fact check information that anyone who keeps up with the news knows is true by simply reading, watching and listening. This blog has some of the dumbest people I have ever encountered in my life.

Listen to the audio of Sharon Angle discussing Second Amendment remedies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU9GXil9Vm8

Read a quote have Sharon Angle discussing the need to “take Harry Reid out”

During the 2010 midterm elections, Republican senate nominee Sharron Angle of Nevada said that “if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies.”

Lest her reference be too subtle for dummies, she immediately added, “I’ll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.”

Who can forget the other Tea Bagging thug Carl Paladino threatening to take out a reporter Dicker, of Rupert Murdock’s New York Post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCn9yspCl_g

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As Americans, irrespective of whether you are a liberal or conservative, we need to boldly speak out against statesmen’s like these and those who are apologist for them. They threaten the very foundation of our country. They provide a climate for nuts like this murderer. The 8th district was a District with heavy Tea Party protests and Representative Gifford had received threats and had her office vandalized during the recent campaign. We must stop this madness.

Pablo said:
Are they going to draw connections that don’t exist or are they going to look at why this nut pulled the trigger? Sane people are not going to blame Sarah Palin. People who blame Sarah Palin are not sane.

You need to get out of your head that people will blame her for the shooting. That is not the point.
The popint is people are going to blame her for being irresponsible because the woman with the bullet in her brain says so and the public will sympathize with her and not Palin.

Fair or not, that’s the way it’s going to play out. Giffords video damning Palin is overwhelming. Game over.
Independents WILL reach the conclusion Palin was not responsible for this maniac but they will also reach the conclusion that her dialogue is hurting this country.
Palin has never had a policy discussion without questioning someones manliness, patriotism, or morality and that has just been laid bare for all the country to see.

She. Is. Screwed.

Something tells me the world was not really sitting around hold their
collective breaths while awaiting a “special comment”
from Keith Olberermann.
What amazes me a is that this crazy fool has so far resisited going
postal!

Fact: I’m just real dumb or it’s really a stretch that when you activily campaine against someone on the democratic party that you are tied in some way to a crazy person is just plain crap! This is liberal lunacy!

Alz said:
Hmm,

Keeva said:
His commentary is good but he is a major practitioner of what he condemns as are Maddow, Hannity, Matthews, Bolling, Schultz, Beck, Palin, Scarborough and the rest. If Olbermann had any sense of decency he would have stayed home instead of rushing to the studio to cash in on the ratings potential. At the end of the day it is the pundocracy that drives the angry rhetoric. They need the ideological divide to be as big as possible so they are relevant. Those named here and their “peers” like Limbaugh and Moore are more to blame for the partisan crapfest than any elected official.

6-14-2008.

“I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
Barack Obama 9-17-2008

“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends . . .”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

Plus what the other Democrats have said.

Document one instance of Rachel Maddow making a statement like this. Con’y make up phony accusations without documentation.

A Totally unrelated event, Sarah Palin’s show got canceled!

http://newsallaroundus.blogspot.com/
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/sarah-palins-alaska-not-renewed-report/53690

MSDNCteabaggers said:
Okay folks, read em before Kos and Google remove em!

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2011/1/6/134228/2362/60#c60

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8946/fb001.jpg

If that last pic is correct, an alleged screen grab of the shooters FB page, then wow, does the media have this wrong… Imagine!

One can only hope that once and for all, that if this guy was the far leftist he may very well turn out to be, that FNC and the GOP, or whoever, will have the balls to not only POINT OUT THE FACT THAT HE’S A LEFTIST LOON, but that the media NOT only tried to cover that fact up, but went out to DESTROY the Tea Party and GOP.

Do you realize that you are simply linking to posts made by people not affiliated with the blog just like the ones posted here? What si your point? Charity begins at home!

murf said:
Yeah except those pesky hard left-leaning facts that mimick Jared’s beliefs ..jesus f’ckin christ you people are dense…

Attacks on te bank system and currency have always come from the right starting with the Ant-federalists who opposed the establishment of the national bank. You must have slept through or been high during your high school history class.

This was clearly an example of domestic terrorism but you notice that the media is not portraying this incident as terrorism.

jugum
forfend
affable

terrorism – 5 dictionary results

ter·ror·ism   

–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

It’s very interesting how the media uses the term “terrorist” when a Muslim attacks soldiers on a military base but fails to use it when a similar event is committed by a person who posted rambling rants against our political system. This reflects a right wing bias in the media,

What a disenginuous piece by Tommy – shame on you Tommy for this piece of crap.

There is no “pretending” in this case. Your inability to be honest, fair, and look across the full spectrum of political discourse is shameful. No mention of democrats use of crosshairs, just Palin’s.

This article is crap and Tommy and Dan should both be ashamed that this made it through whatever limited editorial process this board practices.

Junk, crap, garbage.

We all know that Tommy loves and admires Olbermann, but that love and admiration has clearly left a shaddow of doubt about Tommy’s ability to think and write.

MG, KO, you continue to be a complete fool and dullard. This guy was an unstable miscreant and there is of yet absolutely NO EVIDENCE that he was motivated by angry political rhetoric. Have you read his insane rantings on his MY Space page or viewed his reality detached videos on YouTube? Obviously not.

Your blatant sanctimony is deplorable coming from such a hate monger as yourself.

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He is described as a middle-aged, White male and was seen by several witnesses driving away from the scene of the shooting.Over on the Right, the Deflectors went up instantly
Over on the Right, the Deflectors went up instantly and at maximum power.

While in the Center, the frantic rush to condemn “the extremes of both sides” all but blotted out the Sun.

I for one would be genuinely delighted if tonight’s heartfelt pleas from Keith Olbermann for everyone to beat their verbal spears into pruning hooks blossomed into an actual movement, but the sad truth is that he could have said exactly the same thing about almost exactly the same people following the Oklahoma City bombing back in the Conservative rage-drunk, Hate-Radio-fueled militia-movements/black helicopter/Clinton-is-a-depraved-murderer/government-workers-are-parasites 1990s.

Rachel Maddow could and did say almost exactly the same thing about almost exactly the same people following the assassination of Dr. George Tiller.

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He is described as a middle-aged, White male and was seen by several witnesses driving away from the scene of the shooting.

Over on the Right, the Deflectors went up instantly

and at maximum power.

While in the Center, the frantic rush to condemn “the extremes of both sides” all but blotted out the Sun.

I for one would be genuinely delighted if tonight’s heartfelt pleas from Keith Olbermann for everyone to beat their verbal spears into pruning hooks blossomed into an actual movement, but the sad truth is that he could have said exactly the same thing about almost exactly the same people following the Oklahoma City bombing back in the Conservative rage-drunk, Hate-Radio-fueled militia-movements/black helicopter/Clinton-is-a-depraved-murderer/government-workers-are-parasites 1990s.

Rachel Maddow could and did say almost exactly the same thing about almost exactly the same people following the assassination of Dr. George Tiller.

The sad truth is that Hate is the Right’s Ring of Power. They’re never going to give it up, because they know the minute they do — the minute they’re no longer allowed to pretend that Liberals are evil, freedom-hating fifth-columnist monsters who are dragging America into a Marxist abyss on the secret orders of our Kenyan Usurper Overlord — their whole ideology would implode…

…they would never win another election…

…and tens of thousands of powerful, well-remunerated insiders from Rush Limbaugh to David Gregory who depend on that hate for their daily bread would suddenly have to go out and find honest work

driftglass

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/

The shooter wouldn’t have shot so many had somebody else had a gun . Giffords is for gun rights . I hope she sets the record straight when she is well .
The left are scared of guns cause it seems only the nuts on there side have them .
Going to be a lot about guns coming up . Palin can stand her own ground . On this issue . Government is already on probation . If the Left thinks they can get into gun rights now they are way off course .
A nut killed them people . Not a gun . Nor did metaphors .

Magister said:
With all that said and because I had to sit through Olbermann trying to paint himself as being so much better than everyone else, all because he’s reached a conclusion that so many other people already knew, I’m going to take an indulgence and blockquote a bit from last fall’s Rally to Restore Sanity;

Thanks for posting that. I think Olberman in his over the top blowhard way is making the point that we need to tone down the violent metaphors used by the media and politicians to make points and boost ratings. Jon S has been saying it for a long time. We can disagree but still believe we are Americans who are sincerely trying to improve the country. We can disagree on the best method to do that and reach a compromise that is better for most citizens.

IMO as long as pundits and politicians, with the help of media, continue to divide us into us vs them and paint American citizens as the enemy, and we buy into it, we are hurting ourselves. I tend to agree with Jon S that it’s not so much right vs left as it is corruption vs no corruption and both parties have plenty of corruption to answer for. In the end this shooter was a lunatic but I think the sheriff’s comments are worth listening to. Society in general becomes more antagonistic and divided fueled by hateful rhetoric form people who profit from it. Is that what we want our society to be?

Here’s another quote I like that seems relevant in these days of division,

“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”

Did I just overlook it or have you lefty nutsacks
not blamed Bush yet?

Useless contest’s of who uses hate more seem childish and pathetic in light of this tragedy. It’s sad to see the pile of hateful comments, blanket generalizations and condemnations spewed by both sides. This is not a contest about who can google the most hateful quotes from the opposition. Grow up!

You don’t have to go any further than this site to see both sides spewing hateful insulting crap that ads nothing to the discussion. The left are idiots, the right are idiots, the left is always dishonest, the right is always dishonest, the left constantly uses hate, the right constantly uses hate, the left is more racist, the right is more racist. We’re not in the 3rd grade are we? Maybe we can move away from that or at least stop engaging those that can’t seem to do anything else.

Ridiculous, the shooter does not appear to be a fan of Palin or the Kos for that matter. Why are we even giving attention to Olbermann anyways? Nobody watches his show.

Yes Tommy I am inclined to dismiss this “Special Comment” due to it’s serious lack of balance and political opportunism. A political propagandist quoting a liberal, politically motivated, sheriff is not something I can take seriously. If it had come from somebody else maybe, but Olbermann has too much of a history at this point to be throwing stones. He has denounced the actions of his political enemies only to engage in those same actions himself when it suits him. Olbermann claims using the term “baby killer” is inciting violence, but used the term Nazi and many other incitefull insults to belittle, and dehumanize his enemies more times than any of us can count. Now all of a sudden he want to claim the high road. He is one of the worst offenders and should be seen as nothing but a flame throwing, yellow “journalist”, with an ax to grind.

Watching the Left attempt to capitalize on the blame game as a political weapon is breathtaking.

The Left created this media world of rhetoric we now live in. Any cries of foul rhetoric in a sea of foul rhetoric is laughable. Has it been worth it to you? Are you making the world a better place?

mcf1757 said:
A Totally unrelated event, Sarah Palin’s show got canceled! http://newsallaroundus.blogspot.com/http://omg.yahoo.com/news/sarah-palins-alaska-not-renewed-report/53690

What a joke. LOL. There was no intention of doing more than eight episodes. The headline is misleading, there is no mention of renewing in the story. Typical libs making up nonsense.

armwood said:
This was clearly an example of domestic terrorism but you notice that the media is not portraying this incident as terrorism.

jugum
forfend
affable

terrorism – 5 dictionary results

ter·ror·ism  

–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

It’s very interesting how the media uses the term “terrorist” when a Muslim attacks soldiers on a military base but fails to use it when a similar event is committed by a person who posted rambling rants against our political system. This reflects a right wing bias in the media,

The media, which is infested by liberals, is in a bind. What will they say about this?

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”
Barack Obama 6-14-2008.

“I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
Barack Obama 9-17-2008

“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends . . .”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

Plus what the other Democrats have said.

things will tone down for a few weeks, then the stuff will crank up again, free speech is hard to control and people say things. its part of the price we pay for freedom. not saying that using langauage that fires people up is right, but it will happen

Mediaite, you are not blameless here. Just look at the leads on the TV page. The words seen most frequently are SARAH PALIN. Please show specifically, one tiny piece of evidence that this 22yo was even remotely influenced by Palin. Just wanting it to be that way, does not make it so. This kid appears to be an atheist. How many atheists are going to be positively influenced by Sarah Palin?

Alz said:
The media, which is infested by liberals, is in a bind. What will they say about this?

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”
Barack Obama 6-14-2008.

“I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”
Barack Obama 9-17-2008

“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends . . .”
Barack Obama 10-25-2010

Plus what the other Democrats have said.

Where is your logic? The point was why is the media not calling this domestic terrorism. You post over the top statements by President Obama during the campaign. Again why is the media refusing to call this domestic terrorism? If you are responding to the post respond in a logic based manner. We had a similar shooting at a military base. It was called domestic terrorism. This shooter engaged in ant-government rantings. Why is he being treated differently by the media? Is it because he is not a Muslim?

Look,this whack job that shot these people,including the Congresswoman,didn’t do this because of vitriolic politics,he did this because he’s a whack job.Sure politics and violence shouldn’t go hand in hand and shouldn’t even be suggested in the most off hand way but this guy didn’t do this because other people made violent tinged comments.

Olbermann and MSNBC missed the point by even having him on air last night.Other channels did not roll out their prime time hired guns they used daypart people who had no significant level of bias.Olbermann’s presence at all sent the wrong message and instantly painted anything he did or said as partisan just when partisanship should be the farthest thing on people’s minds.

Yes I agree,violence and heated rhetoric should be addressed and maybe later on this incident can be used as a “teachable moment” but damn it Keith can’t you let people grieve and mourn first?

Liberal hate:

Or how about Bill Maher in 2007 lamenting that the assassination of Dick Cheney had failed. He has also wished for the death of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

Rosie O’Donnell has quite a colorful history as well. Aside from being a 9/11 truther, she has called compared the Catholic Church to the Jonestown suicide cult, crudely mocked Chinese people, and has called American troops “terrorists.”

And of course we have Olbermann, who called Scott Brown an “irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, sexist, ex-nude model, tea bagging, supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees” and Michelle Malkin a “mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.”

“I want to go up to the closest white person and say: ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health” — New York city councilman Charles Barron

“..And then there’s Rumsfeld who said of Iraq ‘We have our good days and our bad days.’ We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say ‘This is one of our bad days’ and pull the trigger.” — From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club

“F*** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead.” — Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air.

“…Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm.” — The Village Voice’s Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places

“”I know how the ‘tea party’ people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their ‘Obama Plan White Slavery’ signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads.” — The Washington Post’s Courtland Milloy

“Remember Eric (Cantor)…our judgment time, the final Yom Kippur has been given. You are a liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy fucking pig, you’re an abomination, you receive my bullets in…your office, remember they will be placed in your heads. You and your children are Lucifer’s abominations.” — Obama campaign contributor Norman Laboom

Or how the movie “Death of a President (2006)” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/) “Years after the assassination of President George W. Bush in Chicago, an investigative documentary examines that as-yet-unsolved crime. “

USA Today’s Julianne Malveaux, whose leftist sympathies makes Karl Marx look like a right-wing kook, spat out this crudity about Justice Clarence Thomas, a fellow black: “I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.”

Director Oliver Stone belittled the Holocaust during a shocking interview with the Sunday Times today, claiming that America’s focus on the Jewish massacre was a product of the “Jewish domination of the media.”

The director also defended Hitler and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and railed against the “powerful lobby” of Jews in America.

Stone said that his upcoming Showtime documentary series “Secret History of America,” seeks to put Hitler and Communist dictator Joseph Stalin “in context.”

Libtalker Mike Malloy called Sarah Palin a “whore,” a “streetwalker,” and a “crazy bitch.” This is the same Malloy who called on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O’Reilly to kill themselves and suggested that Republicans orchestrated the Christmas day bombing attempt to damage the Obama administration.

The Left is gross.

armwood said:
Where is your logic? The point was why is the media not calling this domestic terrorism. You post over the top statements by President Obama during the campaign. Again why is the media refusing to call this domestic terrorism? If you are responding to the post respond in a logic based manner. We had a similar shooting at a military base. It was called domestic terrorism. This shooter engaged in ant-government rantings. Why is he being treated differently by the media? Is it because he is not a Muslim?

Because it’s doesn’t seem to be domestic terrorism. Duh! It seems to be a just a run-of-mill wacko – who seems to be a Leftist.

Taking it to the terrorist level doesn’t seem accurate and it brings in all sorts of things that may not help the situation. There’s your answer.

Let’s wait for more information.

Sarah Palin and her larger than life character she loves to portray on television have now come face to face with true reality not the ‘reality’ she attempts to convey on her television show.

It’s called murder Palin and you are a major contributor to it.

So is it right to be shot for your views? Not really. Does the price of freedom include the death of a 9 year old girl who was just elected to the student council. She just wanted to meet a politician. Actually I believe that it IS illegal to use speech or media to incite people to crimes. Our Government is not healthy, unable to speak from one side of the house to the other. We the people that elect these folks are habitually swinging from Democrats to Republicans hoping to bring about big change with our demands. To get elected politicians, promise things that they can’t possibly deliver. When they fail to deliver we vote them out once again. The rest of the world is watching and reading these posts. They see the discourse and animosities. Americans need to join together and face the world with a resolve that shows them that no matter what our personal views are we stand united. And if you aren’t willing to stand united you should consider the alternatives. Some in the world are waiting for us to fail. I’m sure these folks would gladly welcome you to their world.

Mr. Olbermann is simply calling for an end to the fuel that feeds the fire from left to right. Not just singling people out. Sure he is a news guy but this time……he did not capitalize on the moment for ratings. The sincerity is in his delivery. Enough with the rage. Gabrielle Giffords seemed to be a moderate voice. For the moment her voice is silent. I wish her God speed for a complete recover so she may once again try to bring a more central position to the world in Washington.

It turns out that the shooter hated Bush, hated the Bible, hated the American flag, etc. Looks like he was more aligned with the hate speech coming out of MSNBC, and had nothing to do with the tea party. For Olbermann to try to “extract a political message” from this shooting is a joke. If he wants to look at the mindset that is inspiring these recent acts of public violence, he should start by examining his own hate speech.

Good points but each of us also has to draw a personal line in the sand. Maybe that was Mr. Olbermann’s breaking point. Let’s hope that in the future he carries himself better as he says he will.

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Two words that mean to incite violence…..Fox News!

Tedderman said:
Two words that mean to incite violence…..Fox News!

is that makes you violent tedderman

Whoops…the Revolution is coming….from the left!

http://www.breitbart.tv/msnbc-asserts-violent-rhetoric-exclusively-from-the-right-two-months-ago-featured-guest-calling-for-violent-revolution/

“To that end, if you’re inclined to dismiss this oration based on a lack of balance, pretend for a moment that he included examples of liberals using “target lists” and bullseye imagery, and consider the premise of his argument.”

Tommy, I think reasonable people will understand that the words “target lists” and “bullseye” were not to be taken literally. I am not making excuses for anyone, but the problem is that Olbermann does not include examples of liberals doing the same thing. He fails to condemn the MSM, including himself, for further encouraging the hatred and division that exists in this country

You can fairly condemn people like Beck and Hannity on the right, but let’s not forget the racists comments made by Al Sharpton, whose lies have incited riots and murder, but who is now embraced by CNN and MSNBC & contributors like Roland Martin and Donna Brazile who make racist comments on a regular basis over at CNN. Everyone likes to forget David Gergen calling Hillary Clinton’s supporters “rednecks” on AC360 without even being reprimanded. What is the purpose of making insulting comments like that, except to try and stir up anger and unrest?

No, no one is innocent when tragedies like this happen. They have all contributed to it one way or another.

Mr. Olbermann has his blinders on.
Last November, of Democratic pollster (and former Hillary Clinton campaign manager) Mark Penn arguing that Obama needed “another Oklahoma City” in order to reconnect with the people
Remember Keith?
The left-wing is seeking to exploit this crime reflects an attempt to replicate the political success Bill Clinton had after the Oklahoma City bombing.

Olbermann is an ass….he and Geraldo. I cannot imagine Olbie having sincere sympathy for anyone….it’s just another excuse to rant.

Alz said:
Hmm, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”Barack Obama 6-14-2008. “I want you to argue with them and get in their face.”Barack Obama 9-17-2008 “They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”Barack Obama 10-25-2010 ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends . . .”Barack Obama 10-25-2010 Plus what the other Democrats have said.

Do you ever listen to the hatred spewed out by Rush Limbaugh? Do you listen to the rhetoric of Mitch McConnell? You are either very ignorant, or a hypocrite of the Limbaugh degree. No matter what, you’re a phony trying to put a political spin on a national tragedy. Go climb back under your rock.

Georgia999 said:
Olbermann is an ass….he and Geraldo. I cannot imagine Olbie having sincere sympathy for anyone….it’s just another excuse to rant.

Do you ever listen to the hatred spewed out by Rush Limbaugh? Do you listen to the rhetoric of Mitch McConnell? You are either very ignorant, or a hypocrite of the Limbaugh degree. No matter what, you’re a phony trying to put a political spin on a national tragedy. Go climb back under your rock.

It’s the left that’s usually violent, from the labor unions protesting at the lawns of bankers to WTO protesters, they’re the ones that usually throw the first stone.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/01/laura-ingraham-gets-politically-correct.html

greg454 said:
It’s the left that’s usually violent, from the labor unions protesting at the lawns of bankers to WTO protesters, they’re the ones that usually throw the first stone.http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/01/laura-ingraham-gets-politically-correct.html

Yeah, like the KKK, you know, the ones that beat blacks, beat gays and tie to fences to die a horrific death. Or the ever subtle rhetoric of the draft dodger Limbaugh. Or the white supremacists that beat legal immigrants. All that pales, absolutely pales! When you consider that unions — those evil unions that made it legal for you to work a 40 hour week, or get a decent wage — that unions actually protest on the lawns of bankers! Wow! Do you ever have your priorities screwed up.

felixw said:
It turns out that the shooter hated Bush, hated the Bible, hated the American flag, etc. Looks like he was more aligned with the hate speech coming out of MSNBC, and had nothing to do with the tea party. For Olbermann to try to “extract a political message” from this shooting is a joke. If he wants to look at the mindset that is inspiring these recent acts of public violence, he should start by examining his own hate speech.

Wow! Still making things up.

Jackyboy said:
Pot, meet kettle (steroids edition). Olbermann nor Maddow have absolutely no legitimacy to criticize rhetoric from the right. Now that it looks like you have the upper hand, you are trying to diminish a game that you two have succeeded in playing for years? Please, now is not the time for any Olbermann soliloquy or Maddow commentary, I don’t want to hear it from either of you. For the time being, GO AWAY. And Tommy, if you think Palin is guilty, then own up to it and say she’s guilty. Don’t hide it behind the guise of journalistic analysis. It is spineless and cheap.

WHen I first heard about this yesterday, I knew liberals would immediately try to blame Palin for it. Maddow cannot seriously believe that any “fair minded person” would connect the two rvents. The people who are doing so are not fair minded at all, they are hard core lefties who are hell-bent on discrediting Palin, nothing more.

When it comes out (and it will) that the shooter had nothing to do with the right, what will happen? The left will look stupid again for jumping to conclusions without facts just like they did when the NY cab driver had his throat slashed by a “radical Muslim hating conservative”. This is nothing more than a parade of idiots infected with serious cases of PDS.

http://crazyconservative.wordpress.com/

armwood said:
Below is the quote that Pablo and George C

How telling that you posted your screed on this thread an hour before responding to me on the original thread .

c/p of my responses.

Look above and reread . I did not accuse you of lying , I answered Pablos question . This makes apology number three that you owe me now .
Integrity , armwood , is not not measured in gradations or levels , but is the firm adherence to a moral code , of which you have shown none.
Your rigid adherence to your misinterpretation suggests that you personal blinders are far more damaging and limiiting than your partisan blinders ever could be .
Your list of character flaws is getting long armwood , and cowardice is the tipping point.

“Any fair-minded person would have to acknowledge that this tragedy, coupled with Rep. Giffords’ inclusion on Sarah Palin’s “crosshair map,” naturally leads one to connect the two…” says Tommy. a few sentences later he tells us that Kos used virtually the same language–but doesn’t call for “fair-minded” to connect THAT with the Giffords shooting.

“fair-minded” = agree on all points with Tommy.

this Laughner kid is clearly nuts. from what we know so far, and what we’ve heard from his online pages, his nuttiness doesn’t spring from a liberal or conservative mindset. he likes the gold standard–omg, he must be a Beckerhead! no wait, he won’t “trust in God”–he must be an atheist lefty loon! no, wait, he’s worried about…the government controlling us by using GRAMMAR? what would you call THAT, other than flat-out crazy?

as for Keith, he’s probably the largest hypocrite on TV. I’ll just leave you with one of my favorite Keith-quotes. while it’s not an advocating-violence one, it does show him to be the tolerant, loving pacifist he wants us all to be:

“I want to apologize for calling Senator-elect Scott Brown an “irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea bagging, supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees.” I’m sorry, I left out the word “sexist.””

I was talking to my neighbor, and he said he was getting ready to ‘take out’ the trash. I called the FBI.

MSDNCteabaggers said:
So one, and maybe you can address this Tommy, why did Kos scrub this so quickly?

It was deleted by the author, who felt terrible about the coincidence.

dhg said:
Look,this whack job that shot these people,including the Congresswoman,didn’t do this because of vitriolic politics,he did this because he’s a whack job.Sure politics and violence shouldn’t go hand in hand and shouldn’t even be suggested in the most off hand way but this guy didn’t do this because other people made violent tinged comments.

Olbermann and MSNBC missed the point by even having him on air last night.Other channels did not roll out their prime time hired guns they used daypart people who had no significant level of bias.Olbermann’s presence at all sent the wrong message and instantly painted anything he did or said as partisan just when partisanship should be the farthest thing on people’s minds.

Yes I agree,violence and heated rhetoric should be addressed and maybe later on this incident can be used as a “teachable moment” but damn it Keith can’t you let people grieve and mourn first?

did you watch the videos. It was an anti-government rant. His ravings about the currency and the gold standard sounded like he had read a few John Birch Society pamphlets. I guess you have to have had read a wide variety of material to catch peoples references. The anti-government theme was consistant with the Tea Party violence of a few months earlier in the 8th district. Congresswoman’s Gifford’s office had been vandalized by these protestors. This was not an isolated incident. It is directly related to the anti-American government rhetoric of Palin, Angle et al. Conservatives just have not have the kahunas to stand up and say this rhetoric is dangerous. Mentally ill people do not often realize that Palin, Angle, Paladino and the rest of the Tea Party crowd using violent rhetoric were just using them for their own selfish political ambition. Some mentally ill people as well as “not clinically mentally ill”, militia type people take this kind of hate speech literally. We have with this incident a clear example of hate speech in a specific congressional district turning into violence which a few months later turned into mass murder. Palin, Angle, Paladino and other Tea Party types have American blood on their hands.

Jackyboy said:
And Tommy, if you think Palin is guilty, then own up to it and say she’s guilty. Don’t hide it behind the guise of journalistic analysis.

Not hiding anything. I said exactly what I think, Palin’s map was irresponsible, but in no way to blame for this tragedy. That’s pretty clear.

Jim Treacher said:
I do not accept Tommy Christopher as the arbiter of what is fair-minded.

Unfortunately, I have judged your lack of acceptance to be unfair. Do not pass “Go,” do not collect $200.

Did Obama get his gun! Wonder what he’s saying now? How about all the LSM? Bet they have short memories!

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

Ruth Gretzinger said:
“Any fair-minded person would have to acknowledge that this tragedy, coupled with Rep. Giffords’ inclusion on Sarah Palin’s “crosshair map,” naturally leads one to connect the two…” says Tommy. a few sentences later he tells us that Kos used virtually the same language–but doesn’t call for “fair-minded” to connect THAT with the Giffords shooting.

You’re selectively editing me. I mention the March Giffords interview as an aggravating factor in Palin’s case.

George C said:
How telling that you posted your screed on this thread an hour before responding to me on the original thread .

c/p of my responses.

Look above and reread . I did not accuse you of lying , I answered Pablos question . This makes apology number three that you owe me now .
Integrity , armwood , is not not measured in gradations or levels , but is the firm adherence to a moral code , of which you have shown none.
Your rigid adherence to your misinterpretation suggests that you personal blinders are far more damaging and limiiting than your partisan blinders ever could be .
Your list of character flaws is getting long armwood , and cowardice is the tipping point.

No, stop playing games. Pablo, in his usual uninformed childish manner accused me of lying about Angles comments saying and I quote:

“Pablo said:
You lie, armwood. Bring the quote.”

You then quoted Pablo’s accusation and then said:

“It has been hypothesized that chronic or pathological lying is not a mental disorder of it’s own. In fact, it is not recognized in the DSM-IV . Instead, it is viewed as a symptom of another mental disorder that is present, such as delusional thinking, psychopathy, or narcissism”

How about a minimal modicum of integrity. By quoting Pablo’s accusation in your post and then providing a definition of pathological lying you were agreeing with his post.

Now you are cowardly trying to back away from your post because my response to both of you, after you had posted your post agreeing with Pablo, proved that both of you were clearly wrong. What was so amazing was how both of you could be unaware of such a high profile story from less than a year ago.

All you had to do was take responsibility for your mistake, apologize and move on. No big deal. We all make mistakes and say things that are over the top. I can’t for the life of me understand why someone would want to further embarrass themselves and completely destroy their own credibility by prolonging their agony by denying and/or distorting what is clearly visible to all. It just does not make sense.

Tommy Christopher said:
You’re selectively editing me. I mention the March Giffords interview as an aggravating factor in Palin’s case.

uh-huh. and a few comments up you say about why the Kos post was scrubbed: “It was deleted by the author, who felt terrible about the coincidence.” I mean, are you working for Kos too? he felt TERRIBLE! and look, Palin hasn’s disavoed anything. are you a freelance Kos Kid? you’re doing backbends excusing them, but you assume all “fair-minded” people will see the connection to Palin.

I would ask anyone who has gotten wound up in this discussion about Tea Partiers vs liberals to honestly consider a few hypotheticals.

1. Assume for a minute that tomorrow, we find out the shooter’s writings and videos and history line up completely with whatever political positions YOU preach. Then ask yourself if you will conclude your ideology and beliefs were wrong, based on this shooter having espoused them? If not, ask yourself what would you say to the rabid “other side” when they claim his actions disprove your ideology, or that his actions are your fault? And then consider what you say now in light of what might yet be revealed, in the face of certain uncertainty.

2. Then I would ask that you consider a second hypothetical. Imagine your reaction if a *logistically-similar* shooting took place in 1943, where someone with a brain tumor shot Hitler and a bunch of bystanders, including a nine year old girl, all at point blank range. (Meaning, all the victims were deliberately shot, not the victims of stray gunfire.) And the shooter had written a bunch of anti-Nazi rants? If you imagine such a scenario, would the shooter be a hero in your eyes, even though he had deliberately killed the innocent girl? Would the shooter’s actions prove that Nazism was a correct ideology, because the evil guy who murdered a nine year old girl was anti-Nazi?

3. Last, consider the exact same situation where a shooter deliberately kills Gandhi and a nine year old girl. Does the deliberate murder of the innocent child prove the shooter is wrong, and thus prove that Gandhi was correct in his political work and ideology?
I ask because I would like people to consider the proper de-coupling of your own thoughts and beliefs, and everyone else’s thoughts and beliefs, from the actions of anyone who would deliberately shoot a nine year old girl at point blank range.

Regardless of what we find out someday about how this person ranted, regardless of what political positions he claimed to support, his actions neither prove nor disprove those ideologies. And thus, the claims of those here, trying to staple BADNESS to any ideology based on this shooting, are inherently absurd. Such leaps of illogic are pure foolishness by those who believe the nonsense, and genuine evil by those who know better.

(P.S. Anyone who is so logically bankrupt as to think my suggests I believe that Gabrielle Giffords is Hitler (or Gandhi for that matter), please ‘drop the gun and give the bag to Bozo. You may the dumbest person on the face of the Earth.’)

Keith WHO?

Ya know if you Blogs didn’t post this clown’s comments, no one would even know he was still on the air. LMAO

BTW, besides his family & pesonal friends…if he has any, NO ONE CARES WHAT THIS CLOWN HAS TO SAY!

er, “disavowed”–we learned from the Arizona shooting how important proper grammar is…

too soon for humor? probably.

Just_MC said:
I would ask anyone who has gotten wound up in this discussion about Tea Partiers vs liberals to honestly consider a few hypotheticals.

1. Assume for a minute that tomorrow, we find out the shooter’s writings and videos and history line up completely with whatever political positions YOU preach. Then ask yourself if you will conclude your ideology and beliefs were wrong, based on this shooter having espoused them? If not, ask yourself what would you say to the rabid “other side” when they claim his actions disprove your ideology, or that his actions are your fault? And then consider what you say now in light of what might yet be revealed, in the face of certain uncertainty.

2. Then I would ask that you consider a second hypothetical. Imagine your reaction if a *logistically-similar* shooting took place in 1943, where someone with a brain tumor shot Hitler and a bunch of bystanders, including a nine year old girl, all at point blank range. (Meaning, all the victims were deliberately shot, not the victims of stray gunfire.) And the shooter had written a bunch of anti-Nazi rants? If you imagine such a scenario, would the shooter be a hero in your eyes, even though he had deliberately killed the innocent girl? Would the shooter’s actions prove that Nazism was a correct ideology, because the evil guy who murdered a nine year old girl was anti-Nazi?

3. Last, consider the exact same situation where a shooter deliberately kills Gandhi and a nine year old girl. Does the deliberate murder of the innocent child prove the shooter is wrong, and thus prove that Gandhi was correct in his political work and ideology?
I ask because I would like people to consider the proper de-coupling of your own thoughts and beliefs, and everyone else’s thoughts and beliefs, from the actions of anyone who would deliberately shoot a nine year old girl at point blank range.

Regardless of what we find out someday about how this person ranted, regardless of what political positions he claimed to support, his actions neither prove nor disprove those ideologies. And thus, the claims of those here, trying to staple BADNESS to any ideology based on this shooting, are inherently absurd. Such leaps of illogic are pure foolishness by those who believe the nonsense, and genuine evil by those who know better.

(P.S. Anyone who is so logically bankrupt as to think my suggests I believe that Gabrielle Giffords is Hitler (or Gandhi for that matter), please ‘drop the gun and give the bag to Bozo. You may the dumbest person on the face of the Earth.’)

________________________________________________
The point is not the ideology. The point is that the anti-government rhetoric using violent imagery like bulls eyes, lock and load, re-load, Second Amendment remedies coming from candidates for high offices legitimizes violence as a means to resolve our political disputes and delegitimizes the political institutions that are here to resolve such disputes.

It does not matter whether the rhetoric came from the left or the right or the shooter and a left or right wind political philosophy. What matters is the legitimization of violence as a means of settling our political disputes. It is no coincidence that the 8th District of Arizona was the site of political violence during the political campaign. Windows were broken at Congresswoman Gifford’s campaign office. She received numerous threats during the campaign. Irresponsible, violent rhetoric from politicians like Palin, Angle and Paladino feed this type of violence. They create a climate in which violence is viewed as a reasonable solution fir solving political problems. Rhetoric has consequences. We have seen this before here in America and around the world.

Ruth Gretzinger said:
uh-huh. and a few comments up you say about why the Kos post was scrubbed: “It was deleted by the author, who felt terrible about the coincidence.” I mean, are you working for Kos too? he felt TERRIBLE! and look, Palin hasn’s disavoed anything. are you a freelance Kos Kid? you’re doing backbends excusing them, but you assume all “fair-minded” people will see the connection to Palin.

Tommy Christopher is obviously correct on this point. I do not see how any reasonable person could deny the connection. Read my two posts above this in which i explain the connection in detail.

armwood said:
“Pablo said:
You lie, armwood. Bring the quote.”

That is not accurate . Your selectively misquoting the conversation further emphasizes the weakness of both your “arguement ” and your character .

Pablo said:
You lie, armwood. Bring the quote.
Why do you lie?

I responded with the answer.

George C said:
It has been hypothesized that chronic or pathological lying is not a mental disorder of it’s own. In fact, it is not recognized in the DSM-IV . Instead, it is viewed as a symptom of another mental disorder that is present, such as delusional thinking, psychopathy, or narcissism

Your rigid adherence your misinterpretation , and purposeful misqouting , reinforces previous evidence that you are a person devoid of integrity , and with whom a serious conversation is an impossibility .

i am still wondering how geraldine ferraro is a anti-black bigot armwood?

Palin is a maniacal sociopath and malignant narcissist who has nothing good to say about anyone but total nut cases. Thank God her Alaskan Pick of a Tea Party nut job didn’t get in and Murkowski won. She may not be far enough away from the Republican manure pile, but at least she isn’t considered by anyone with an I.Q. of 50 or above to be Presidential material. With all her kids and one with Down’s who would want her in a position of power. As in Alaska, any administration would be run by her husband using her office as his own. She isn’t just a tad disturbed, she has the full Monty.

Ruth Gretzinger said:
avoed

I write this because as ‘brevity is the sould of wit,’ precision is perhaps the soul of snark.

If you are referring to the error “disavoed” earlier in some comments, that’s not grammar, it’s spelling.

( Okay, for those who would say spelling is a subset of grammar because it determines plurals and possessives and such, you might as well say spelling is a subset of diction, because the meaning of words is affected by how you spell them. For instance, who in his right mind would say that someone who wrote “the bear is a Cambodia” meant “the bear is a mammal,” but just made a spelling error? Or that Milton Friedman and Karl Marx said exactly the same thing, one just made a lot of spelling errors?)

Looks like my quote blew up in the post above. Not sure why. Saw that twice yesterday. The quote I was citinig was :

Ruth Gretzinger said:
er, “disavowed”–we learned from the Arizona shooting how important proper grammar is… too soon for humor? probably.

The other important distinction is between a spelling error and a typo. Which is why those who are not small-minded will look past such things and stick to content, to stay productive.

</side conversation?

What total complete ridiculous bullshit from an idiot who has the biggest head literally of anyone on TV, Anyone who listens to HIS “vitriotic rhethoric” daily on his “show” will realize that all this is is another slam at Palin, Beck, Rush, Angle, Bill O, Hannity, tea party people, etc. It is so damned obvious. Why doesn’t he mentions himself, Sgt Schultz, O Donnell, Madcow, and all the other wacked out far left libs on MSNBC? Gee, i wonder.

Whoever writes the pieces of crap he reads every night should be shot.

What will it take for MSNBC to fire this idiot?

NewsBusters: Howard Kurtz Denounces Media for Blaming Giffords Shooting on Palin
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/01/09/howard-kurtz-denounces-media-blaming-giffords-shooting-palin

@Tommy Christoper, why do you still allow the word “teabagger” to be used on this site? There is no doubt that it is intended as an insult aimed at non-liberals. If you allow that then you must allow other user names that include insults to other groups or people. It is hypocritical to delete some insults while ignoring others.

George C said:
That is not accurate . Your selectively misquoting the conversation further emphasizes the weakness of both your “arguement ” and your character .

I responded with the answer.

Your rigid adherence your misinterpretation , and purposeful misqouting , reinforces previous evidence that you are a person devoid of integrity , and with whom a serious conversation is an impossibility .

Where is the mininterpretation? You proved my point. Basic logic. Anyway if you deny that I was lying I thank you and lets move on.

The Enola Gay said:
Do you ever listen to the hatred spewed out by Rush Limbaugh? Do you listen to the rhetoric of Mitch McConnell? You are either very ignorant, or a hypocrite of the Limbaugh degree. No matter what, you’re a phony trying to put a political spin on a national tragedy. Go climb back under your rock.

You must have trouble with your hearing. Get your ears checked. I have never heard a SINGLE word of hate from Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity or Mitch McConnell.
Why don’t you list those words? What words are hate words? Give me a list so I will know them when I hear them. While you are at it, give me a list of all the words that YOU don’t approve of and we can have the speech police go after the people that use them?

armwood said:
Where is the mininterpretation?

*sigh*

Hopeless and shameless is no way to go through life armwood.

Magister said:
Ms. Palin is obviously going to have to make an extra effort because of the coincidence that was her ad

BFD said:
Of course I don’t condone shooting anyone, man or dog. Or Keith.

Let’s all just pray that BFD’s neighbors aren’t victims of a shooting or all his left wing compadres will immediately condemn him for publicly inciting violence.

Rest assured, BFD, that I will defend you b/c any such claims would be as specious as all those accusations against the left’s political opponents.

armwood said:
________________________________________________The point is not the ideology. The point is that the anti-government rhetoric using violent imagery like bulls eyes, lock and load, re-load, Second Amendment remedies coming from candidates for high offices legitimizes violence as a means to resolve our political disputes and delegitimizes the political institutions that are here to resolve such disputes. It does not matter whether the rhetoric came from the left or the right or the shooter and a left or right wind political philosophy. What matters is the legitimization of violence as a means of settling our political disputes. It is no coincidence that the 8th District of Arizona was the site of political violence during the political campaign. Windows were broken at Congresswoman Gifford’s campaign office. She received numerous threats during the campaign. Irresponsible, violent rhetoric from politicians like Palin, Angle and Paladino feed this type of violence. They create a climate in which violence is viewed as a reasonable solution fir solving political problems. Rhetoric has consequences. We have seen this before here in America and around the world.

Several thoughts. First, it would be more convincing if you railed against both sides for the same tactics. Have a look at:

http://american-conservativevalues.com/blog/democrats-have-their-own-target-map-and-bulls-eye-map.html

Also, consider the Obama speech about “getting in their face” in light of the SEIU scrap (in Missouri I think it was?)

So, if you want to make your pitch about rhetoric, it would be more compelling if you picked less partisan examples. But that doesn’t disprove your point I admit, it just makes your presentation less credible.

Second, and more important, your logic is saying that rhetoric has consequences. You are implying a CAUSAL link between what some people said and what this shooter did. You are implying the Sarah Palins and others have some responsibility here. Suppose some nut sees YOUR POSTS and concludes he needs to avenge Giffords by harming the people YOU IMPLY HAD SOME RESPONSIBILITY. Will you then take responsibility for the irresponsible rhetoric of your posts? By your own logic, you should. There is no end to such nonsense. So, if you want to make anything approaching that case, you should go no further than saying “let’s all try to stay calm.” But “hey, you guys are spouting dangerous rhetoric that is getting people hurt” is its own form of dangerous rhetoric BY YOUR DEFINITION.

Third, I ask you to honestly consider what I consider a SERIOUSLY MISLEADING aspect of your characterizations. You mention “anti-government rhetoric.” Too vague. The thousands of Tea Partiers I have seen and the many I have talked to are not “anti-government” and they don’t spout “anti-government rhetoric.” Any more than those attacking racist Jim Crow laws were spouting “anti-government rhetoric.” Rather, the Tea Partiers are specifically railing againt abuses by government, just as those who fought the Jim Crow laws did.

Last, I would ask you to consider that GOVERNMENT IS FORCE. Everything government does it does under the ultimate threat of fine, imprisonment and ultimately death, if you resist its will. Watch Cool Hand Luke again. If Luke wrongfully got the parking ticket, it would not matter.

Continue to resist the injustice from the government and you will ultimately end up killed by that government. If I try to withhold paying anything to NPR or the NEA on principle, the government will fine me even more. If I don’t pay the fine, they will come to seize my property. If I protect my property, they will kill me.

Nobody from the governnment will step up and say “oh, well, if you feel so strongly on principle that you should not be forced to fund political broadcasting that conflicts with your views, we get it. We will let you opt out of paying that part of your taxes.”

Consider that government is a CONSTANT THREAT, more than just a source of THREATENING RHETORIC. This is why government should be VERY limited to the most universally agreed-upon principles and areas of jurisdiction, as the Constitution dictates. When the federal government is properly limited to a few powers, like repelling invasions, it is acceptable for it to use such threats of force against its own people. This is not the case when that same force is used to decide whether you can put salt on your food or opt to buy or not buy healthcare, etc.

(As an aside, repelling invasions should be noted as different from continuous meddling in the internal affairs of other sovereign nations, and committing acts of pre-emptive war against them.)

TOMMY SAID”

“To that end, if you’re inclined to dismiss this oration based on a lack of balance, pretend for a moment that he included examples of liberals using “target lists” and bullseye imagery, and consider the premise of his argument.”

Surely you jest.

So, KO’s political ravings require fantastical thinking to have a serious discussion in your mind.

Doesn’t journalistic integrity require that you discuss what he actually said in highly prepared remarks as opposed to you creating out of whole cloth what he might have said.

Pitiful performance, Tommy, pitiful!

cjd ohio 1 said:
i am still wondering how geraldine ferraro is a anti-black bigot armwood?

Gosh, CDJ, you are not from NYC I suspect. Are you African American? I do not know the answer to either question but that was the impression in the African American community in the city prior to and after her nomination on 84. She would use racial code words. The quotes are old and I do not have access to microfiche at home to bring up old news stories from NYC newspapers. All of the current internet issues relate to her statements which are well known about Obama and race in 2008. Her statements were particularly offensive due to the fact that she was only a congressman when she was nominated for vice President and she was a graduate of a night law school program. Obama was a senator and head of the Harvard Law review. Ferraro knew better.

Here is one comment from 88:

From NEXIS: The Associated Press April 14, 1988, Thursday, AM cycle Ferraro: Jackson Won’t Be Democratic Nominee LENGTH: 192 words DATELINE: AMHERST, N.Y. Former Democratic vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro says Jesse Jackson won’t be the party’s presidential nominee and wouldn’t be in the race if he were white. Speaking Wednesday at the State University of New York at Buffalo, Ferraro credited Jackson for “grabbing the imagination of the public” and said he is “telling people the things we want to hear, but he won’t be able to deliver what he is promising.” ***WOW, DOES THAT EVER SOUND FAMILIAR! A Jackson supporter attending the speech took quick exception to Ferraro’s remarks. “I think your comments here today are extremely, extremely dangerous and I abhor you for saying something like that,” said Samuel Herbert, a former candidate for Erie County Executive. “I will not let you get away with that,” Ferraro responded. “You may abhor what I’ve said, but I have spoken the truth. … looking at the numbers, he will not have enough delegates. He will not even have a majority of delegates that are chosen.” ***OKAY< NOW IT'S GETTING WEIRD Ferraro, now a resident fellow at Harvard University, lauded the Jackson campaign as "worthwhile for this nation." But, she said, if the civil rights leader "were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

"Sorry, I'm a middle aged white female professional who has felt the glass ceiling, but I can't identify with Hillary or with Geraldine Ferraro AT ALL. Ferraro's recent racist comments regarding Obama's skin color are despicable. And though I can fully appreciate what Hillary has accomplished, I have to disapprove of what she has done to get there. Not even mentioning the many shady deals in the Clintons' past (or Bill's out-of-control libido), I am appalled by what Hillary is doing to the Democratic party right now. It's a power play she should be ashamed of, This attitude of "take no prisoners and seize power at any cost." Her insistence on taking this to the superdelegate level and cutting a back room deal that disenfranchises the actual voters is a reprehensible replay of the 2000 Bush/Gore debacle. The problem with stealing elections is that it opens the door for a political free-for-all in which the individual voter's ballots have no meaning and elections are only for show. That's called fascism, dictatorship, or communism (take your pick). It certainly is not democracy. So, even though I'm a feminist, I can't be swayed by feminist rhetoric when I see crimes against the American people being committed in the name of "girl power." I want a female President too. But consider how damaging it will be to women's future chances in politics, if our first female Commander-in-Chief is hated by the people for her skulduggery and election fraud. And remember how Geraldine Ferraro's cheating on her taxes KILLED women's political chances at the Presidency until now, 25 years later. I don't want to give away the next 25 years to Hillary Clinton's mistakes. Oh, yeah, Hillary hasn't released her tax returns yet. Are you old enough to remember what happened to Ferraro's candidacy after she released her tax returns? She got flushed down the toilet, and with her went the dreams of millions of American women. Maybe if I'm lucky, I'll still be alive in 25 years, when Obama's daughter will run for President."

The stories i am talking about date back to the seventies and early eighties and are not online.

Just_MC says:
January 9, 2011 at 2:47 pm

By far the best comment here.

thank you for your opinion armwood, and addressing the question

cjd ohio 1 said:
Ferraro

“Ferraro ran for election to the U.S. House of Representatives from New York’s 9th Congressional District in Queens in 1978, after longtime Democratic incumbent James Delaney announced his retirement.[29] The location for the television series All in the Family, the district was known for its ethnic composition and conservative views.[1] In a three-candidate primary race for the Democratic nomination, Ferraro faced two better-known rivals,[29] including the party organization candidate, City Councilman Thomas J. Manton.[30] Her main issues were law and order, support for the elderly, and neighborhood preservation.[23] She labeled herself a “‘small c’ conservative”[1] and emphasized that she was not a bleeding-heart liberal; her campaign slogan was “Finally, A Tough Democrat”.[31] Her Italian heritage also appealed to ethnic residents in the district.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Ferraro

The use of the term “law and order” in election campaigns of the 60s and 70s were code words for racism as were the “preservation of neighborhoods”

“Lee Atwater ultimately conceded that the term law and order, as liberals claimed at the time, constituted code words letting southern reactionaries who hated the Johnson civil rights measures know that they were on their side. As for the playing of “Dixie” we did not need Atwater to help us analyze that significance. It evoked the rupture of America with the Civil War.”

http://www.antemedius.com/content/glenn-beck-playing-race-card-while-being-coy

Neighborhood preservation was a code word for those like Ferraro who defended redlining.

“The threat of encroaching abandonment to contiguous neighborhoods inhabited primarily by white ethnics and employed members of minority groups continued apace. In the second half of the 1970s the organizations trying to combat abandonment focused on a new target: the banks and their practice of “redlining,” whereby certain geographic areas were singled out as bad risks for demographic reasons, such as racial change, so all applicants were denied loans regardless of their personal credit worthiness. The housing analysts associated with these organizations were well aware that the causes of housing abandonment were complex. However, they held that redlining played a key role by setting up a self-fulfilling prophecy concerning neighborhood decay: by making mortgage financing difficult to obtain, it reduced demand for properties, thus causing their values to fall and encouraging owners to “milk” their buildings by postponing repairs, cutting services, and even not paying taxes in order to earn a profit under the new conditions.”

http://www.tenant.net/Community/history/hist05c.html

These codewords were also commonly used up-South in NYC, Boston and Philly.

Sarah’s FB, dated March 28, 2010 — three days after the crosshair image was published:

“In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your ………leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs­, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.”

Ruth Gretzinger said:
uh-huh. and a few comments up you say about why the Kos post was scrubbed: “It was deleted by the author, who felt terrible about the coincidence.” I mean, are you working for Kos too? he felt TERRIBLE! and look, Palin hasn’s disavoed anything. are you a freelance Kos Kid? you’re doing backbends excusing them, but you assume all “fair-minded” people will see the connection to Palin.

The author said as much in the comments at Daily Kos. Not excuse, just a fact.

Grammie said:
Doesn’t journalistic integrity require that you discuss what he actually said in highly prepared remarks as opposed to you creating out of whole cloth what he might have said.

Well, no. I presented the full piece, and the transcript, but as a commentator, I am free to commentate on whatever I want to. Your implication is that I tried to mask or hide what Olbermann said, when I presented his remarks in their entirety.

Your problem is with my commentary, which doesn’t give you license to question my integrity.

libra blue said:
@Tommy Christoper, why do you still allow the word “teabagger” to be used on this site?

When I get the power to “allow” anything on this site, my first order of business will be to allow myself a million percent raise.

Seriously, though, I’ve written a lot about the term, and if you’ve read all of it, good. If not, you should.

KO is a complete ass.

puck30 said:
Looking at Jared Loughner’s face book page a few things jump out.

Jared loves hunting Children.

Jared wants to be a woman.

Jared is interested in Men.

Sure sounds like a Palin/Beck devotee to me.

Sounds like Barney Frank to me.

Tommy Christopher said:
Your problem is with my commentary, which doesn’t give you license to question my integrity.

I see, after checking natch, that this is filed under “columnist”. However, I got here via the “TV”columnist”.

I still think that you and we all would have been better served if you had reported his comments themselves and if you felt he needed help to expand them done a separate piece here under “columnist”.

After all you are “Tommy Christopher, a White House correspondent for Mediaite and owner of Daily Dose”, aren’t you? As such perhaps I expect too much from you.

Grammie said:
“TV”columnist”.

S/B “TV”

As much as it pains me….. I must say I agree with everything Olby said BUT… It will be interesting to see if he abides ( longterm ) by his immediate convictions. I’m a gambler so I’ll have to lay 2 to 1 against. $1,000 any takers?

Tommy Christopher said:
Your problem is with my commentary, which doesn’t give you license to question my integrity.

I don’t question your integrity. I plain out said you where so slanted in your piece a couple of days ago about Megyn Kelly that I said you were a liar. I pointed out your quote in the article which was false but you never responded. Hint: Make sure when you write something that you don’t post a video that proves you are wrong.

Karen Ono said:
Sarah’s FB, dated March 28, 2010 — three days after the crosshair image was published: “In the battle, set your sights on next season’s targets! From the shot across the bow – the first second’s tip-off – your ………leaders will be in the enemy’s crosshairs­, so you must execute strong defensive tactics. You won’t win only playing defense, so get on offense! The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons – your Big Guns – to drive to the hole. Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win.”

Hmmmm? Is there something wrong with what she said? Military and sports metaphors are used in many ways.

@Tommy Christopher, “When I get the power to “allow” anything on this site, my first order of business will be to allow myself a million percent raise. ”

If Alex Alvarez is able to ban insults from his blog posts I would guess you have that same right, if you wanted to. Based on what I have read of your posts I know that you are a supporter of the left and of those who use that term and other insults and I am sure you would find a way to justify its use any way you can.

gordonbloyershow said:
You must have trouble with your hearing. Get your ears checked. I have never heard a SINGLE word of hate from Rush Limbaugh.

http://lulzimg.com/i07/a895a0.gif

ard65 says:
“Did Obama get his gun! Wonder what he’s saying now? How about all the LSM?”

If you’d turn off Fox Propaganda and watch the “LSM,” you’d know that the President is saying.

By the way, Ronald Reagan Jr. said the exact same thing. I wonder if he’s ready to stick to “knife fighting” now.

The sheriff of Pima County, Clarence Dupnik, said “the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government” may have triggered Loughner’s rampage. “There’s reason to believe that this individual may have a mental issue and I think that people who are unbalanced are especially susceptible to vitriol,” he said at a Tucson news conference.

He’s talking about Beck mostly, although I doubt that Loughners was a follower of that vitriolic reactionary, not if two of his favorite books are The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kempf.

Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, points out that Beck is covering the seven stages of genocide: 1) dehumanization. When Beck compares Obama to Lucifer and goes “progressive hunting,” that’s dehumanization. 2) Classification, the separating of “Us” and “Them,” as in “we surround them.” 3) Polarization. This is Beck’s specialty. Then he whines, hypocritically, about why we’re so divided. 4) Denial. Watch Fox at 5:00 tomorrow. Just like he denied having anything to do with Byron Williams’ attempted mass murder, he’ll deny any contribution to the vitriol that Pupnik is still talking about today.

FYI: I don’t think Beck inspired this unbalanced individual, not based upon his YouTube postings and favorite books list.

THE LINE: Too often we do treat each others as enemies instead of opponents. Politics is a game, a very rough game. I think “hardball” is too soft, and so long as Beck employs violent rhetoric as he has been for the last 23 & 1/2 months, then I’ll wage this struggle bare-fisted in a smash-mouth manner. You know, like tough football players do. I’ve made it very clear that “the crucial agreement is to avoid violent conflict over differences.” That’s a line that Beck crosses over in both directions.

It’s one of the paradoxes of Glenn Beck: he spouts violent rhetoric and preaches (lately) non-violence. He needs to do what he is so terribly disinclined to do to his own detriment: listen to his critics, specifically Olbermann if only this one time.

Who remembers this story?

Looks this liberal group is using it for fundraising….

http://www.21stcenturydems.com/

Calvin said:
Who remembers this story?

It’s hard to remember them all. Here’s a list: http://patterico.com/2007/03/05/leftist-hate-speech/

Alz said:
It’s hard to remember them all. Here’s a list: http://patterico.com/2007/03/05/leftist-hate-speech/

One wonders how much more can be added to that list for the last 3 years. I’d like to see a comparable list for the right. I don’t think there is.

EVERYTHING the government does, it does by the threat of violence against those who would otherwise not obey. IF this were not the case, anyone could opt out of following any law without reprisal. The willingness of many well-intentioned but oblivious people is to support government without ever considering this most fundamental truth. So remember, if you support government, you are justifying the use of violence against anyone who does not want to do what government says.

When government is using its power to demand that citizens repel an invading army, the threat of force against its own citizens is FAR harder to argue with than when that government uses the threat of force against its own citizens to compel them not to eat saturated fats, to compel them to buy healthcare, to compel them to pay for reporting they object to on NPR, or to compel them to fund art which features someone urinating on a crucifix.

With that basic premise in mind, consider that if you *think* you are nonviolent and do not condone violence, every one of these things, and all other things you support the government demanding, are done with the threat of violence against those who do not comply. An anarchist would say government has no just basis, as no one should be so compelled.

A libertarian would say only the very minimum and near-universally-agreed-upon government has a just basis. That government’s just purpose is to use the threat of death to compel citizens to repel invaders, to compel anyone who threatens the life/liberty/property of another to cease and desist, to punish anyone who takes the life/liberty/property of another, and to ENFORCE CONTRACTS freely entered into by both parties. And that’s about it.

So understand that with everything government does, it does by the threat of death. And ask yourself is it morally right to stick a gun in your neighbor’s face and demand he pay for NPR? Or to demand he stop eating saturated fat? Because this is what you are doing.

And with that in mind, I would ask people to honestly consider that much of what is incorrectly called “anti-government rhetoric” is not that. It is “anti-government-abuses rhetoric.” And when you realize that all government abuses, just like all proper government actions, are imposed with the threat of death to the disobedient citizen, it is obvious why the wisdom of the Founders prescribes so much vigilance and so much restraint of government power.

Now go a step further. Government itself can only be restrained by the threat of force. If the government has more power than the citizens, then voting will not matter. Elections only exist when the government believes it would lose an out-and-out scrap with the citizens. If you don’t believe this, PLEASE study more history. This is WHY we have a Second Amendment. The government MUST be in a position of lesser power than the mass of the citizenry, or we are finished. If you think the 2nd Amendment intended otherwise, read the scenarios described in Federalist 46. The basis for even allowing as much government power as the Constitution prescribes is that the Founders thought the People would always have the upper hand if it came to a fight.

The conclusion of this is an interesting one which few have really thought through. Anyone who thinks he can achieve things by peaceful resistance is relying on one of two things. Either, that by being peaceful and resisting, that he will win over the hearts of those who persecute him. This is not so likely.

More likely is that by resisting peacefully, he will show the injustice of the persecutors and win over the hearts of enough just-minded people that they will take his side, and thus will threaten the persecutors with the threat of death.

So consider a man who refuses to surrender his property to pay the salaries at NPR, or to pay an “artist to urinate on a crucifix” or anything else. And then refuses to pay the fines, and so on, until eventually he is being imprisoned. Or if he resists imprisonment of his body and is killed? If a man does that, he is likely sacrificing himself to make it absolutely clear to the masses who is the persecutor and who is the persecuted. Such that the masses will then be willing threaten the persecutor with death.

Now, ask yourself, what is “violent rhetoric” really, anyway?

Tommy Christopher said:
Unfortunately, I have judged your lack of acceptance to be unfair. Do not pass “Go,” do not collect $200.

Please pass the ketchup, I think it’s going to rain.

Someone else started talking gun control.
I’m sorry but wasn’t the gun purchased illegally.
If honest citizens would have been armed perhaps
fewer people would have died.
The cops are seldom around when we need them
and that is through no fault of their own.
What criminal has a registered gun?
But perhaps they would think twice if honest citizens were armed.
Wouldn’t they?

Jackyboy said:
Pot, meet kettle (steroids edition). Olbermann nor Maddow have absolutely no legitimacy to criticize rhetoric from the right. Now that it looks like you have the upper hand, you are trying to diminish a game that you two have succeeded in playing for years? Please, now is not the time for any Olbermann soliloquy or Maddow commentary, I don’t want to hear it from either of you. For the time being, GO AWAY. And Tommy, if you think Palin is guilty, then own up to it and say she’s guilty. Don’t hide it behind the guise of journalistic analysis. It is spineless and cheap.

I sure think she should look in a mirror and ask that question about her self

Keith is always a class act. Thank you Mr. Olbermann for being an outstanding American.

libra blue said:
@Tommy Christopher, “When I get the power to “allow” anything on this site, my first order of business will be to allow myself a million percent raise. ”

If Alex Alvarez is able to ban insults from his blog posts I would guess you have that same right, if you wanted to. Based on what I have read of your posts I know that you are a supporter of the left and of those who use that term and other insults and I am sure you would find a way to justify its use any way you can.

Why make assumptions, when I’ve made my position crystal clear? Too lazy to look it up? C’mon, don’t make me do all of the work.

Grammie said:
I see, after checking natch, that this is filed under “columnist”. However, I got here via the “TV”columnist”.

I still think that you and we all would have been better served if you had reported his comments themselves and if you felt he needed help to expand them done a separate piece here under “columnist”.

After all you are “Tommy Christopher, a White House correspondent for Mediaite and owner of Daily Dose”, aren’t you? As such perhaps I expect too much from you.

I don’t understand the process you’re suggesting. Having posted the full video and transcript of the comments, you wanted what? A summary? What purpose would that serve? This isn’t “TV Guide.”

Pokerdude777 said:
I don’t question your integrity. I plain out said you where so slanted in your piece a couple of days ago about Megyn Kelly that I said you were a liar. I pointed out your quote in the article which was false but you never responded. Hint: Make sure when you write something that you don’t post a video that proves you are wrong.

Asked and answered. I await your apology.

Color Me Badd said:
Keith is always a class act. Thank you Mr. Olbermann for being an outstanding American.

Exactly which Keith Olbermann are you talking about?

BFD said:
It makes perfect sense to me.It just means I hate both Keith and the right.I’m multi-hating. :)

Multiple personalities?

Was the shooter a lefty, or was he a righty? Am I being too simple? I undersand Giffords was too far right for this nut so he shot her. Am I correct in this?

WHarropson says:
“Was the shooter a lefty, or was he a righty? Am I being too simple? I undersand Giffords was too far right for this nut so he shot her. Am I correct in this?”

Jared Lee Loughner was a confused and disturbed man. He wasn’t left or right, but much of his YouTube posting comes of as paranoid, a feature of reactionaries more than leftists.

Until and unless he starts talking, we won’t know what he thought of Giffords or why he targeted her. A mentally stable assassin doesn’t keep shooting at innocent victims. He will most likely spend the rest of his life in a mental hospital where his damn parents should have had him after the college he was attending barred him until after he got psychological help. I hold his parents more responsible than the rhetoric on the right…this time. Unless reactionaries like Beck, Limbaugh and Palin tone it down, this assault on our democratic order will continue. Hopefully, someone at MediaFight is listening to Beck now on the radio and won’t let him off the hook for inciting violence.

Has anyone ever heard of a reactionary hunter? The left doesn’t roll that way generally speaking.

Sarah Palin has been a trouble making psycho for many years.
Sarah is always making trouble and is the epitome of Republican greed. She touts her gun and encourages everyone to carry one, even psychos, and all the Tea Party operatives have guns that they bring to the political rallies of the opponents. Last year, a Tea Party operative dropped his gun at a Giffords rally. At a Rand Paul rally, a Tea Party operative had a gun and stomped on the head of a Democratic woman and almost killed her. I believe Palin is sending coded messages to the Tea Party operatives and they are carrying out her instructions. Sarah, and all Republicans, celebrated when she spoke about DEATH PANELS and almost killed the ObamaCare law. Now Sarah wants to assassinate Democrats who will vote to keep ObamaCare. Sarah is a psycho who will stop at nothing to fulfill her mission of overthrowing Obama so that she can rise to power and fortune. Sarah wants to intimidate Democratic Congressmen and Democratic Senators into voting to repeal ObamaCare. I believe the House leadership approves of what Sarah is doing — gang leader John Boehner, Mitch Mc Connell, Eric Cantor, Rand Paul, Michelle Bachmann, and many others. Sarah’s troublemaking assists them to achieve their power hungry and greedy goals. The gunman in the case of Gabrielle Giffords may have been a hired HITMAN of the Republicans. Sarah and her compatriots in the Tea Party will stop at nothing in their quest for power and money. The Republicans want to eliminate ObamaCare and let the poor people die and instead give more tax cuts to the wealthy. The Republicans also want to cheat Senior citizens out of their Social Security that the Seniors paid their OWN money for ! All of this is Republican GREED at work.

jerzeyjim2 said:
Sarah Palin has been a trouble making psycho for many years.Sarah is always making trouble and is the epitome of Republican greed. She touts her gun and encourages everyone to carry one, even psychos, and all the Tea Party operatives have guns that they bring to the political rallies of the opponents. Last year, a Tea Party operative dropped his gun at a Giffords rally. At a Rand Paul rally, a Tea Party operative had a gun and stomped on the head of a Democratic woman and almost killed her. I believe Palin is sending coded messages to the Tea Party operatives and they are carrying out her instructions. Sarah, and all Republicans, celebrated when she spoke about DEATH PANELS and almost killed the ObamaCare law. Now Sarah wants to assassinate Democrats who will vote to keep ObamaCare. Sarah is a psycho who will stop at nothing to fulfill her mission of overthrowing Obama so that she can rise to power and fortune. Sarah wants to intimidate Democratic Congressmen and Democratic Senators into voting to repeal ObamaCare. I believe the House leadership approves of what Sarah is doing — gang leader John Boehner, Mitch Mc Connell, Eric Cantor, Rand Paul, Michelle Bachmann, and many others. Sarah’s troublemaking assists them to achieve their power hungry and greedy goals. The gunman in the case of Gabrielle Giffords may have been a hired HITMAN of the Republicans. Sarah and her compatriots in the Tea Party will stop at nothing in their quest for power and money. The Republicans want to eliminate ObamaCare and let the poor people die and instead give more tax cuts to the wealthy. The Republicans also want to cheat Senior citizens out of their Social Security that the Seniors paid their OWN money for ! All of this is Republican GREED at work.

Congrats, you win the most inane post of the day. Geez, are you off your meds? If indeed you are from Jersey, I renounce my birth state.

Some of my favorite psychotic lines:

She touts her gun and encourages everyone to carry one, even psychos, and all the Tea Party operatives have guns that they bring to the political rallies of the opponents.

The gunman in the case of Gabrielle Giffords may have been a hired HITMAN of the Republicans

Just_MC says:
“EVERYTHING the government does, it does by the threat of violence against those who would otherwise not obey.”

Exactly as Jefferson described government, yes, even Republican government. Where were you for the first 8 years of this century when Bush was wiping his ass with the Constitution?

Recently, on MSNBC, far-left cartoonist/author Ted Rall declares that violent revolutionary action, while a last resort, may be necessary. Host Dylan Ratigan agrees with him…

http://tv.breitbart.com/on-msnbc-leftist-political-cartoonist-calls-for-revolution-violence-on-table/

They’re not using metaphorical imagery, or benign figures of speech. They’re advocating the potential use of real violence in order to further their agenda. The hypocrisy on the left knows no bounds.

GlennBeckReview:

[quote] I hold his parents more responsible than the rhetoric on the right…this time. Unless reactionaries like Beck, Limbaugh and Palin tone it down, this assault on our democratic order will continue. Hopefully, someone at MediaFight is listening to Beck now on the radio and won’t let him off the hook for inciting violence.

Has anyone ever heard of a reactionary hunter? The left doesn’t roll that way generally speaking.[/quote]

See the above call for violence from that darling of the left, Ted Rall. Also see the long litany of reference to violence and violent imagery from other on the left that have been amply documented in the past couple of days. You’re in some serious denial here.

Just_MC said:
EVERYTHING the government does, it does by the threat of violence against those who would otherwise not obey. … Now, ask yourself, what is “violent rhetoric” really, anyway?

Yeah, PJ O’Rourke said in one of his books that you have to ask yourself, when evaluating anything the government should do – “would I hold a gun to my mother’s head for this?”

On the other hand, without SOME kind of government we go back to life in the state of nature, as Hobbes described it: nasty, brutish, and short.

Balance… that most elusive of all virtues.

WHAT has Maddow said that could possibly make her guilty? She is the nicest person the left has. Pick on Ed or Keith if you want but leave Rachel alone. She is very sweet and simply too smart for the right and that is the real reason that they hate her.

I wonder if Keith regrets this comment?:

A few days after 9/11 I was on Greenwich st in downtown Manhattan looking at the ruins on the WTC.
It was the closest the police would allow anyone to get to the wreckage, and a crowd of locals and reporters was there. I saw Keith Olberman and said hi and asked him if he was reporting on this- at the time I hadn’t seen him on TV or anywhere for years. He said yes- he was working freelance for several radio stations on the west coast. So I asked him what he thought of all of this. Here’s what he said:

“There was one good thing to come out of it. That bitch Barbara Olsen got what she deserved.”

The people around him who heard gave a collective gasp- it was horrifyingly cruel- and few could believe it. In fact, I said “excuse me?” and he repeated it!

There is absolutely no comparison between images and statements that some might take as encouraging violence and the campaign of hate and vitriol that has been the mainstay of Conservative politics for years. Everyone including myself have used expressions that detractors could be considered encouraging violence like “got him in the cross-hairs” “target that candidate” and so on..This is normal talk and if this were all that had happened there would not be a problem.

The problem is that the right has taken this much further and made inflammatory statements that were not simple images but actual statements that create fear, hate and divisions. They have spoken of death panels, compared Obama to Hitler and Stalin, brought up internment camps, criminalization of dissent….. you know the list.

Consider these statements by Glenn Beck, darling of the movement..Beck rants against Progressives. Beck notes, however, that Nazis and Communists also claimed they fought for social welfare issues. Therefore, in a leap of twisted logic, Beck tells his viewers that Progressives and Communists, Nazis and even Churches that work for reform through governmental action are all one and the same. And, in a warning to viewers, Beck asks, “What happens if these Progressives don’t get their way?” According to Beck, “You get a bullet in the head.” Tell me what Democrats ever made statements like that?

Glenn Beck compared the National Endowment for the Arts to the German Propaganda Ministry under Joseph Gobbels, teaching kids about climate change was likened to the Hitler Youth program, ACORN was compared to the Brown Shirts of Nazi Germany that aided Hitler’s rise, and President Obama’s call for more volunteers for the Peace Corp reminded him of Hitler’s SS.

On one show he exhorted his listeners, in a highly emotional rant, to “find the exit closest to you and prepare for a crash landing because the pilot (Obama) is intentionally steering it towards the trees!” Then he adds, “They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered!”

In other shows he has claimed Democrats are vampires and we should “drive a stake through the hearts of the bloodsuckers!”

Other Beck statements include, “Every night I get down on my knees and pray that Dennis Kucinich will burst into flames”, “ I am thinking about killing Michael Moore and I am wondering if I could kill him myself or if I would need to hire someone to do it”, “When I see a 9/11 victim family on television or whatever, I’m like ‘Oh shut up’ I am so sick of them because they are always complaining’, “The only Katrina victims we’re seeing on television are scumbags”’ and a segment of one program depicted the poisoning of Nancy Polosi. He called President Obama a “punk” for criticizing a Supreme Court decision during his State of the Union address apparently unaware that both George Bush and Ronald Reagan had done the same.

All of this wrapped up in the mantle of getting back to God and honoring the Founding Fathers which he claims Democrats do not.

Consider your reaction if these statements were made about Jews and a synagogue was bombed. Would anyone fail to see the connection between the two events?

If all we were talking about was a few statements using gun or similar imagery there would not be a problem but this is an organized and well financed campaign of hate and fear that goes on 24-7 from thousands of radio stations and on Fox news whose aim it is to create fear and loathing and divide this country and rule over the ruins.

You can deny this as you can deny bears s*** in the woods but that is the truth.

Its very plain And if you don’t see this its most likely because you dont want to see it. I

WuzYoungOnceToo says:
“See the above call for violence from that darling of the left, Ted Rall…..”

I think I saw that live or perhaps as a clip here. I decried it then and thought that Ratigan should have shouted Rall down. Rall does not represent the left like Beck, Limbaugh and Palin represent the reactionary right.

Can we not agree that the left and the right need to tone down the use of violent language and imagery? Beck’s hypocritical juxtaposition of peace and a gun is NOT helpful.

Glenn Beck has got to go!

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