Break out the half-wits with the long knives. You know Cain is a contender when the attacks escalate. Race-bait we much. Cain has put more people to work than 0bama has with $800 billion less to do it.

Break out the half-wits with the long knives. You know Cain is a contender when the attacks escalate. Race-bait we much. Cain has put more people to work than 0bama has with $800 billion less to do it.

O’Donnell is a fine example of a white liberal bigot. He acts like the burden of securing equal rights was on the African-American community yet fails to acknowledge that a Civil Rights Movement would NOT have been necessary if racist white people had not enacted segregation and fueled hateful stereotypes in the first place. O’Donnell BLAMES Herman Cain for not doing enough yet O’Donnell NEVER condemned the actions of the white people that first created the hateful, racist atmosphere! 

WAAAAAAAA

I’m leaving

(I lied)
NDanielson10/06/2011: These boards have been overrun, goodbye mediaite!”

WAAAAAAAA

I’m leaving

(I lied)
NDanielson10/06/2011: These boards have been overrun, goodbye mediaite!”

The racial analogy of Cain’s behaviors = white republicans who avoided wars on bogus pretenses but then later in their careers were in positions of power but acted like chicken hawks very un-reluctant sending people off to wars and potentially theirs and others’ deaths

I give you Bush Jr., Limbaugh, Bill Kristol, Dick Cheney and others

We call these politicians out, why not call Cain out on his chiding of blacks for (my own personal interpretation which could be wrong) being black

Perhaps O’Donnell  could explain how HE avoided the draft, and why HE did not feel compelled to join the military during the VietNam War. O’Donnell is a hypocritcal, racist POS.

First off, mediaite is left leaning anyways. Secondly, Lawrence is getting backlash so he goes and gets MSDNC contributors, which two of them are black to try and justify his positions and reasoning for asking the questions.  Here’s my take………O’Donnell is racist in it’s hidden form. Even his tone during the interview was laid back aggressive.  I am glad that nobody really watches this guy.  I say put Keith Olbermann back on………even thought I am a conservative

Also, his reaction and facial expressions during the interview are very telling, very reminiscent of Rumsfeld’s irrational indignant reactions to the Al-Jazeera interviewer’s line of questioning

Herman Cain?  The guy who calls himself a “real Black man?”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/03/31/herman_cain_media_scared_that_a_real_black_man_may_run_against_obama.html

Herman Cain? The guy who calls Blacks who vote for Democrats “brainwashed?”
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/herman-cain-blacks-brainwashed-into-supporting-democrats/

 Any Black man who makes those kind of statements on the record should EXPECT to have his record on Civil Rights called into question.

–Cobra

Blacks are more likely to drop out of high school, grow up in a single parent household, smoke crack, be on welfare and commit a violent crime than any other race. But somehow there is something wrong with a black person who doesn’t go along with the destructive collectivist mentality of the black “community”. O’Donnell should get an apartment in an all black hood and take public transit if he cares for and loves black folk so much. 

Would Lawrence O’Donnell have questioned BO like this?  Would he question his upbringing by his grandparents?  Would he have questions about BO’s mother?  Would he ask how he was brought up?  Would he want to know what BO did in college?  How about his grades…would Lawrence ask him about his grades?  Would anyone in the MSM have asked BO questions like these?  

Perfect! Who would of thought of that?
Cain is so much more qualifed than Obamba it glares at you.

Also, maybe O’Donnell could schedule his slobbering colleague Tingles
Matthews and drill him on why he avoided the draft durring the Vietnam Era by
joining the Peace Corps.
 That was the legal Draft Dodge vs running and hiding in Canada at the time.

Bye , Robert (aka  RRK, Sharpo,LLoyd C , Ted , ProObamaAgenda , etc.)

cain uses words of MLK Jr–yet never had the courage to go to the front lines. Cain claims if he was in college during these times–he would have join in the rallys–when pointed out he WAS in college—we had no excuse–just attacks.
i have no problem cain not joining in the fight–but he has no right to use the banner of those who did fight as his flag of honor–he does not deserve it..
on another note–the texas anti-christian church is another group who are liars and frauds and do not even agree with their own nonsense…
they claim they would rather have a ‘chritian’ than a ‘nonchristian’ like romeny—they backpeddle when they would rather have a NONCHRSTIAN THAN A CHRISTIAN when it comes to Obama?
so they will worship satin before voting for a liberal? (who is actually very conservatve)
again–it shows that the consevative movement is a fraud and a ruse only for money and power..
may they all enjoy the fires of hell–for eternity~
praise Jesus…
cowards, phonies and opportunists—time for the gop cons to go and time for the rest of us to take our country back~
we are 99%

“…who questioned why white politicians alive at the time did not get “litmus test” questions on their positions on race at the time.”

Ask AlGore’s pop , Senator Albert Gore,Sr. (D), Tennessee .

What’s your record , Cobra ?

–Gloves

 The reason O’Donnell asked the question is because he found what he considered to be an inconsistency in Cain’s book. Whiter the event happened 30, 40, or 50 years ago is irrelevant. Cain wrote about it and he should be able to answer erect questions as to the context, veracity, and importance of it. As far as Larry’s tone, that’s more subjective, I feel. I don’t watch Larry’s show. However for a conservative to be shocked that he’s going to receive questions that suggest he hasn’t been fully truthful in his statements, writings, speeches, or proposed policies when he’s appearing on a liberal show, is absurd to me. Why do you think Democrats don’t go on Rush Limbaugh? They know what time it is. I’m not saying candidates shouldn’t appear on other party’s shows but, I am saying that, if they do they shouldn’t be shocked by the tough questions. 

How is this diferent from any other part of any other show on MSNBC’s prime time line up? A liberal host sits at a desk and tells us how bad Republicans and conservatives have been that day. Then they invite liberal guests on to agree with the host. From 5pm to 11pm Eastern every weeknight.

you must be talking about fox? and haow they hate liberals? have you watched fox ‘news’?

So you are comfortable with a privileged white man (who dodged the draft during Vietnam) dressing down a non-privileged black man who served the Navy in a non-military role on his actions during the cival rights movement?

WOW… whitey puts a black man in his place and you (and all the MSNBC chorus singers) defend him!!!

WOW…

The reason most of the internet on the left and right blasted Lawrence (Niles Crane) is because he crossed a HUGH line. Not a little one… but a big phat one. It was vile.

I thought this was one of the most thought provoking and honest discussions on race and qualifications for the presidency that I have seen. No shouting, no screaming, just meaningful words about boundaries. And good meaningful conversations often open wounds, expose biases and come to conclusions that are helpful. Herman Cain is an arrogant, “self made” man who does not appreciate his responsibility to others for his success. He does not like govt like others of his ilk and if you do not understand the responsibility an elected official has to the GENERAL WELFARE’, YOU CANNOT GOVERN. Herman Cain does not understand democracy, that is why he is unfit to SERVE, that is serve the PEOPLE not rule them.

Joe, you ignorant mutt.
Only response to piece-o-crap MSNBC behavior is Fox does it. Dumbass.

Yes I have,
5pm The Five – IS Bob Buckle conservative?
6pm Special report a mostly news show.
7pm Sheperhard Smith – news show.
8pm Orally – Rightwing Populist
9pm Haiti – Right-winger
10pm – Greta (I don’t know her politics) who seems to do crime stuff as well as politics.
Have you seen MSNBC?

odonnel never dodged the draft—
why are you lying..
you must be thinking of the many repuiblcan who got deferments or joined the national guard so they never saw action?
if cian does not want to be critized for NOT fighing for civil rights–he should not claim to be  a HERO of black people and use the words of those who did fight and die as a badge of courage he never had..
that is all..
conservatives have a bad habit of sitting on the shoulders of liberals and claiming to be giants..
they take the causes we fight for–and when the smoke clears they come out and enjoy the fruits if our labor and try to lay claim–and they never do the heavy lifiting..
get your hands dirty—-shed some blood–and then you can take credit..
at least obama gave up a huge career as a high prices attorney to help the poor–that is what it means to sacrifice..
i would suggest you read the words of Christ..
it may help..

Nothing he said can be called into question. They are absolute facts. I’m sorry you’re unable to deal with this.

After the election of President Obama the argument that someone is unfit to serve rings hollow.

You need to turn off your television and get some fresh air.

I’ve been telling these dummies the same thing for days now. 

because Lawrance is a known to be rabidly anti-war to begin with? he did not avoid the war on account of cysts in his ass and then gone on to have a radio show and champion wars around the globe and cheer for and celebrate torture and war crimes

Cain has not presented himself as an anti-war candidate. He’s no Ron Paul. If anything, Cain would probably expand our wars here at home targeting Arab and Muslim citizens, whom he expressly disqualifies from his cabinet

O’Donnell’s suggestion that Cain not only skipped out on Nam, but also opted out of some  requisite racial rite of passage, was insulting to the Cain, but the worst thing about the interview was O’Donnell’s obvious rapaciousness to destroy him

O’Donnell flatly desired to eviscerate his candidacy

There’s a difference between a tough interviewer who wants to enlighten the audience and show a candidate’s metal,  from abject hostility in a host.

That sort of appetite for destruction is a combination of ambition and political zealotry.

Getting tired of picking the white liberal cotton, sambo?

MSDNC wouldn’t know what to do if people didn’t live in fear of each other based on race. They’re in the exact same boat as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. If they didn’t have hatred and fear to sell, they’d go out of business.

well fox DOES DO IT–that is WHAT THEY DO—
that is the whole purpose of fox–to sit back and critize anyone who is for helping the poor, healing the sick, clear air, high paying jobs, getting along with our brothers and sisters around the world, compromise or just fairness–
THAT IS FOX–ATTACK LIBERAL CUASES FOR THE RICH AND POWER WHO SUPPORT LOW PAYING JOBS, DIRTY ENERGY, WAR, FALSE REGLION AND HATE..
i may be a mutt–but i am telling the truth~

I like how Lawrence explaned why he ask the question’s he ask.  He was just the wrong person to ask those to Herman.

I also like Meilssa Harris Perry’s insight’s on this. She should have done this interview. Her and Goldie have more class then Al does. 

You don’t find it ironic that you are attempting to defend a conservative black man by calling me a racial epithet? 

This gal Milissa Hyphen Harris Hyphen Perry don’t know what the hell she is talking about most times
but she was right here in questioning the reasons for the attack on Cain.
She didn’t push if far enough however.
Anytime Al Shopton is on any panel calling any person Racist is reason enough to hit the channell
within seconds! That coming from that Poverty Pimp is unbearable. Plus he is DUMBER than shit!
Never saw or heard of the other gal before.  I will hopefully continue that trend in the future.
BTW I thought Cain handled himself very well and made earless look like the idiot he is. I just can never
understand why any Republican would ever agree to be on his show anyway.
The haf Dozen viewers are not going to vote for him no matter what. But they would call Jesus a racist
if he was a Repub. F’em

you are talking about fox again right? are you sure you are on the right channel?
you must be confusing an msnbc ad that is ON FOX…
or you are just a liar..
but i will give you the benefit of a doubt..

“Lawrence is getting backlash so he goes and gets MSDNC contributors, which two of them are black to try and justify his positions and reasoning for asking the questions.”

But did you listen to a damn thing the contributors had to say

That’s horrible!  Shame on you!

Lawrence got a deferment from Vietnam. Look it up moron… you should Google before you post. For him to question Cain about his non-Military Navy service while he himself got a college deferment is VILE.

Paging NDanielson !!  Stalker on Line 1 !!

In another thread recently, you proudly claimed that you have an MBA degree.

Based on the brilliance of your post and your unique and creative spelling skills that MBA must stand for Master Bating A$$hole.

I posted a list of FOX’s prime time line up. See above. How is S Smith or Special Report just an attack on leftwingers? Where in thier prime time line up does MSNBC give us anything but a talking head attacking the right?

When a certain portion of the population votes almost uniformly – and has for decades – for ONE party and strictly on skin pigmentation for President in 2008, how can it be anything but the result of very successful BRAINWASHING?

You mean Al Sharpton… the guy who gave us Tawana Brawley? That Al Sharpton. Ya… I listened to him.

Total crap. Lawrence stepped in it and he call in the usual chorus to bail him out. That’s what rich privileged white people do.

“How is this diferent from any other part of any other show on MSNBC’s prime time line up?”

I dont know, you’d have to ask one of the 47 people who watch it. 

Wow!  You really spun that didn’t you. By the way, what’s a HUGH line? What I do find fascinating is how Rev. Sharpton and Melissa Harris Perry both took umbrage with the interview and that is their right.  HOWEVER, tell me when ANYONE on the Right has EVER taken a Fox Newscast or Rush to task for anything. ann Coulter doesn’t apologize, Rush Never apologizes, Glenn BECK continues to insult the President on a daily basis. Where was your sense of outrage when the Colorado Congressman called our President “tar baby” or when Joe Wilson called our President a LIAR, or hell, I’d settle for someone on the right calling out Tea Party Darling and DEADBEAT DAD JOE WALSH, for anything!   And regardless of whether or not Lawrence O’donnell “dodged the draft” as you assert, Mr. Cain was NOT IN THE MILITARY as he’s made everyone believe.  

and finally, where was the right when Bill O’Reilly sat in the Oval Office and interviewed our President in as undignified and unprofessional manner as ever? Well Tatboy? Where were you.

Save your righteous indignation.

Bingo……..hell no…. think BRAINWASHED

B/c that’s what they do – lie, lie, lie.

Has MSNBC ever asked Biden why he dodged the draft?  He had several deferments prior to being ruled finally failing his physical.   

I like your non sequitur there Einstein. You manage to stumble all over your illogical specious accusations in a couple sentences. If they are loyal to one party, then the race/color of the person on top of the ticket is irrelevant…moron! Also, you seem to neglect the fact that that same portion of the population used to vote for the other party almost exclusively right after the civil war during reconstruction, until, policy changes by that party made them switch. That sounds like using one’s brain. You could do the same. You vote for your interests.

Nor do blacks ever condemn fellow blacks for kidnapping them and selling them into slavery.  

Not to mention Cain’s ironic accusation of blacks of being ‘brainwashed’ for being predominantly democratic. Not being repelled by the conduct of people on the right seems to be like the definition of ‘brainwashed’ not to mention heart-washed

The issue, MORON, is that Cain has never said he did NOT serve in the NAVY. The question wasn’t asked in a vacuum. Perhaps it’s you who should “look it up.” Herman Cain has often said that he was a Navy whatever, never coming clean that he wasn’t actually IN the Navy.  That’s the problem with you GOP and Baggers … you take things out of context and then try to make a big freaking deal out of it. 

And Biden?  Don’t forget him.

Tim;

You obviously don’t know many black folks or you wouldn’t have used that analogy.  White folks are more often to be on welfare, strung out on drugs, commit the most heinous crimes and preach bogus religion.  As a matter of fact, look at today’s GOP / Tea baggers for example.

OMG ..what are you 12Or are you just high?What you’re saying makes zero sense.  Melissa Harris Perry is a brilliant woman … maybe you can’t understand her b/c you don’t speak English. Oh, and as for calling “Jesus a racist”?  Jesus would want all the poor taken care of and health care for the masses. So the right wing should probably just stop trying to religion to win 2012 b/c they are the biggest hypocrites in the world.  Don’t just take my word for it.  http://www.republicansexoffenders.com/

OMG ..what are you 12Or are you just high?What you’re saying makes zero sense.  Melissa Harris Perry is a brilliant woman … maybe you can’t understand her b/c you don’t speak English. Oh, and as for calling “Jesus a racist”?  Jesus would want all the poor taken care of and health care for the masses. So the right wing should probably just stop trying to religion to win 2012 b/c they are the biggest hypocrites in the world.  Don’t just take my word for it.  http://www.republicansexoffenders.com/

Another valid question was where was Lawrence O’Donnell during the Civil Rights Movement besides going to Havard on mommy and daddy’s dime?

.. Thank you Thank you, Joe exhibited # I on the case for Brainwashed
Progressive’s/Socialist/Blacks
 

Exactly.  MSNBC has taken the Hannity type show and made their whole network about that, and skipped the news type (even if it leans one way or another) and the more objective thinking type (O’Reilly).  Given the ratings results for both networks, dont understand why the execs at MSNBC wouldn’t more accurately mirror FOX albeit with a left slant instead of a right slant.

If Biden had been calling for expansions of our wars, sure, he’d be fair game. Quite the contrary, Biden is on the opposite side of Obama’s pushing for escalation of the Afghanistan war

It’s not about names, it’s all about hypocrisy. You people seem to have a perpetual and chronic blindness when it comes to the concept of hypocrisy

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Thanks that post made my day

Step Away From The Computer and Go Sober Up !!

No Sober Person Would Be So Idiotic !!

Somewhere, An AA Meeting Is Calling Your Name !!

You have a problem. geesh.

Disagree with your first post, but thumbs up on this one. 

BINGO …right to the point…. MSM covered his Solyndra and WhiteHousePornFilm known as

FAST & FURRIEST   

It’s ALL about the liberals eh?? They’re NEVER wrong even when they are very wrong! O’Donnell is a weasel of the highest order. He’s the type of guy that puts on a Brit accent and expects to get respect for it.
What do you expect from the guy who wrote most of the liberal loving conservative hating WEST WING tv series. It’s all part of the same bowl of soup. Bunch of saps.

i am more than happy to compare my net worth or my annual salary…if you would like.
i was never a great speller or grammarian…but many successful people i know had issues like this..ie the founder of Kinkos–now a billionaire..
i will take my lack of spelling agaist YOUR lack of facts and abundance of bs anyday..
but i am still ready to compare accomplishments..i have already proved that most ‘conservatives’ here are NOT followers of Christ, do NOT actually practice what they preach and are in general pulling their words out of their rectum—although they may be spelled correctly..
as noted in your eloquant A$$hole  comment..
Yukon JackA$$
hahahaha
what a loser~

I disagree, I think Obama is qualified for the job, because he has a sense of humility that still understands the meaning of SERVE THE PUBLIC. He had a learning curve and some bad advice, but I think he is on the right course. His problem is that it took him a long time understand that the repugs were really willing to sacrifice the well being of millions of americans to MAKE HIM FAIL. It is really hard for any decent american to understand that kind of dedication of party ideology and a political system that rewards party loyalty over country and failure is a badge of honor rather than disgraceful betrayal of public trust.

Al Shopton speaks English (I think)
He is still a Race Baiting idiot. Always was, alway will be.
Check the record. Honest check, if you will!!

DITTO!

The majority of black people did not take part in the Civil Rights movement as they said in that video. Do you think all of them are cowards?

FEAR has always been the GOP’s biggest and most used weapon only after religion.

That’s because he would love Fox News if they were left leaning.

Exactly …A Cobra kill not an inter view .. O’DONNY BOY is a sick puppy, he will once again need his dis-temper shots from his vet.

“Let us listen to the EXPERTS in the Civil Rights Movement”
LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AL SHARPTON????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ROFLOL

Sharpton apologizing for Lawrence is like Hitler apologizing for the Holocaust.
Lawrence you sound like a an apologetic racist… asking Al Sharpton and Goldie Taylor to pick up YOUR ex-crement… EVERYONE know you tried to SMEAR him and what got exposed was your INHERENT RACISM which you relish to vent against any black that is conservative…

No, that’s what white people who shouldn’t discuss racial issues do.

This is why I vehemently opposed Sharpton becoming a host of his own show [It's not a bad show]. This attempt by MSNBC to circle Black intellecuals’ wagons around someone who thinks he can bully his liberal ideas (and turn out to be a Fox-type-biased host) is very transparent, and I find it disgusting.   

I AM A LIBERAL, but O’Donnell’s self-righteousness smacks of racist hubris, as far as I’m concerned. He thinks he can try to demean this Black man, whose ideas many of us abhor, because we don’t like his politics. Wrong.  Don’t show ANY guest disrespect, including the brainwashed Orly Taitz, who appears to be mental. http://tinyurl.com/3mbawtv 

Why do I get the sense that O’Donnell, who makes no bones about coming from Irish “thuggery” is like the Whites in South Boston who chase Black people out of their neighborhoods with threats.  His reverse racism, no matter how pleasant it sounds to a liberal ear, should still be called out, because it still suggests that he can consider himself “better” than a minority who doesn’t think like he does. I am no fan of Cain, but I am a fan of showing respect to people no matter the color.  Al Sharpton has to give O’Donnell a thumbs up. Well, I don’t think he’s speaking for Black America, because Blacks don’t want ANY black to be shown disrespect, however outlandish they may appear to be–even Thomas.  Yes, Thomas should be investigated for his ethics, but he should not be vilified personally in a hate-fest of shouting and “gotcha” journalism.  

MSNBC made a mistake letting Olbermann go and putting O’Donnell in the 8:00 time slot. I watched O’Donnell at 10:00 because he really did have the last word, and had a great way of wrapping everything up for the night.  He had a big picture view of politics and I felt his experience on the Hill was put to good use in that format.  Try though he might, he is not an 8:00 pm host–the vibe is different at that hour, and he’s trying to yell and scream his way to significance.  

The discussion should have been about O’Donnell’s behavior–not Cain’s no matter what his views are.   BLACK AMERICANS will NEVER have a voice as long as the media dictates when and how much we can speak. It’s a slippery slope, indeed.  My thumbs up to the only Black on the panel, a woman, to speak up to express her discomfort, in an academic, sophisticated put-down–gentle though it was.

I was with you until you destroyed your own credibility with - Teabagger !!!

*Drink*

Carmak our president must LEAD the people not serve the people. That’s where Liberals go wrong.

this is what i love about this game–
it was never about being a coward and i never said that–again you guys make stuff up–just liars..amazing.
so let me say it again–
IF CAIN WANTS TO USE THE WORDS OF MLK JR AND CLAIM TO BE THE HERO OF BLACK PEOPLE–HE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE HAD THE COURAGE TO GO TO THE FRONT LINES..
NOT EVERYONE CAN FIGHT–BUT IF YOU DO NOT FIGHT–YOU DO NOT GET TO ACT LIKE YOU WERE COURAGEOS..
IT IS NOT THAT CAIN AND OTHER BLACK WERE COWARDS–IT IS JUST THAT SOME WERE COURAGOUS—AND CAIN WAS NOT ONE OF THEM..
ok? go it?
why do you people lie so much?
you love war you never fight in-
you take credit for things you never do..
everything you love was a liberal idea and everything you hate is a conservative reality..
you stand on our shoulders and call yourselves giants…and that is not a coward–that is a phony and a fraud…
but ok–yes you are cowards as well~

You might as well change your screen name and come back when you have regained your senses.

Your “sambo” comment above (or below) will follow you…as it should.  We don’t need players like that on our team.

This is why I vehemently opposed Sharpton becoming a host of his own show [It's not a bad show]. This attempt by MSNBC to circle Black intellecuals’ wagons around someone who thinks he can bully his liberal ideas (and turn out to be a Fox-type-biased host) is very transparent, and I find it disgusting.   

I AM A LIBERAL, but O’Donnell’s self-righteousness smacks of racist hubris, as far as I’m concerned. He thinks he can try to demean this Black man, whose ideas many of us abhor, because we don’t like his politics. Wrong.  Don’t show ANY guest disrespect, including the brainwashed Orly Taitz, who appears to be mental. http://tinyurl.com/3mbawtv 

Why do I get the sense that O’Donnell, who makes no bones about coming from Irish “thuggery,” is like the Whites in South Boston who chase Black people out of their neighborhoods.  His reverse racism, no matter how pleasant it sounds to a liberal ear, should still be called out, because it still suggests that he can consider himself “better” than a minority who doesn’t think like he does. I am no fan of Cain, but I am a fan of showing respect to people no matter the color.  Al Sharpton has to give O’Donnell a thumbs up. Well, I don’t think he’s speaking for Black America, because Blacks don’t want ANY black to be shown disrespect, however outlandish they may appear to be–even Thomas.  Yes, Thomas should be investigated for his ethics, but he should not be vilified personally in a hate-fest of shouting and “gotcha” journalism.  

MSNBC made a mistake letting Olbermann go and putting O’Donnell in the 8:00 time slot. I watched O’Donnell at 10:00 because he really did have the last word, and had a great way of wrapping everything up for the night.  He had a big picture view of politics and I felt his experience on the Hill was put to good use in that format.  Try though he might, he is not an 8:00 pm host–the vibe is different at that hour, and he’s trying to yell and offend his way into significance.  

BLACK AMERICANS will NEVER have a voice as long as the media dictates when and how much we can speak. It’s a slippery slope, indeed.  My thumbs up to the only Black on the panel, a woman, to speak up to express her discomfort.  But, then again, that’s what we do. 

The reason I agree that blacks are also brainwashed is because somehow Al still has a job.  That is the only explanation needed…. and I am happy that SharpNot is offended because the truth offends… He is happy to brainwash others as long as he gets his cut… cause it is easier to manipulate brainwashed people than people that are taught to be individual and to think for themselves.

Sumarizing Sharpton’s comments … if you dont agree with him then white can be racists towards blacks and racism is justified.

Sorry to see the above comment…
But please keep in mind that opening a Disqus account under the title “ExDNC’er” doesn’t preclude this poster from being a liberal plant.

I agree, he is a leader. But first he has to understand the needs of the people before he can lead them. As a tearful  mourner along the route of FDR funeral train: If he knew the President, and the mourner responded “ I did not know the President, but HE KNEW ME”. Obama knows the people’s needs. He can lead, he just now understands that the powers against him are substantial: FOX media, the KOCHROACHES, the tparty nationalists and Citizen’s United and that he not only has to make good decisions, he has to communicate the message or someone else will. This next year is going to be very interesting.

Per capita blacks are far more likely to do everything you said. If not, give me the per capita stats to back it up. 

You need to look at the percentage by race to have a valid argument here.

He probably plagiarized someone’s medical records.

Because they can’t lie 24/7… they’d be sued out of  business… somehow Fox who, absolutely, leans right… most of their reporting are about the news as it is… without a narrative or agenda other than that of Traditional American Values (= what most Americans believe and cherish) …i.e. THEY DON”T HAVE TO TRY TO CONVINCE OTHERS OF WHAT IS TRUE… they just play the music everyone know and heard since childhood… MSLSD on the other hand WANTS TO CHANGE the Traditional American Values and to accomplish that it has to LIE constantly because Americans DO NOT RELATE… Americans are disgusted and can smell their agenda or else the ratings of these networks reflect this sentiments.

he was 12 years old when MLK gave his DC speech

Should someone who was seen at a rally supporting the New Black Panthers, sat in a black theology church for 20 years and has a wife who admits to never being proud of America as an adult be suspect of having whitey’s civil rights held with any regard?

Black theology refers to a variety of Black theologies which have as their base the liberation of the marginalized, especially the injustice done towards Blacks in American and South African contexts. Black theology mixes liberation theology and the work of Paulo Freire with the civil rights and Black Power movements.

Salvation is a collective freedom from the oppression and pertains to
blacks in this life. Proponents of black theology are concerned
specifically with the political and theological aspects of salvation
more than the spiritual. In other words, salvation is physical
liberation from white oppression, or “The white enemy” (Cone) rather
than freedom from the sinful nature and acts of each individual person.
Presenting heaven as a reward for following Christ is seen as an attempt
to dissuade blacks from the goal of real liberation of their whole
persons.

“A white man who is in power cannot be a Christian, unless he gives
up that power and give it to the black man” – James Cone on Black
Theology

–Mongoose

O’Donnell is a friggin’ disgrace surrounding himself with all his in house paid negro shills to defend him against his offensive treatment of Herman Cain.

That’s true. And I’m not suggesting they are conservative, necessarily. However, I do find the statement ironic when it’s made in the attempt to support anyone really — but especially, a black man.

 o’donnel is a racist liberal democrat and he calls on uncle tom sharpton and two mammy’s to shine his absolute racist laced interview with cain, the only question missing from his interview w/ cain was , boy, who do you think you are not being a liberal democrat ?

Couldn’t agree with you more John.

So everything’s racist until faced with true, vile racism; then its not racist anymore. So as long as such disgusting, racist demeanor is on your side, its okay? It must feel great to be a paid mouthpiece…

If Larry forgot what he said about tea party rallies and their attendees so soon that’s some real ADHD.
I couldn’t find what was said about Cain and Vietnam but from some one who was plucked off the street landing in Vietnam combat four months later I’d probably support whatever Cains response without knowing. If Larry wasn’t in Vietnam he really shouldn’t mouth Vietnam. I suspect Larry or at least his parents were protesting cowards of “the war” in as clueless a manner as those protesting today. I wonder h ow long Comcast advertisers will put up with commie talk.

Actually, they do sometimes. When I read The Color Purple I was struck by how strong Walker was on that particular point, a point ignored in the movie. And blacks don’t get so worked up when they’re victimized by other blacks.

The only benefit to come out of this ambush interview was possibly increased ratings for O’Donnell’s show on MSNBC.

Lots of people attended college during the Vietnam war era for the major purpose of avoiding the draft, and only secondarily to attend college.  But these hundreds of thousands if not millions of “students” were not called cowards back then.  (Of course in recent years Olbermann has constantly reminded us of Dick Cheney’s college deferments in suggesting that Cheney was less than courageous, without being more forthcoming about the fact that so many people did the same thing back then.)

To say that O’Donnell’s questions were “fair” is like saying it was “fair” of Al Sharpton to accuse the Duke lacrosse players of raping that girl a few years back.  Sharpton wiggled out of accusations against him by nit-picking his own words to prove he never actually accused them of doing harm to the girl.  But the overall suggestions of his were clear and he was wrong and will never admit it.  Same thing with O’Donnell.  Not just because he’s white, but just the tone of the questions suggested some form of cowardice for not taking part in the black movement back then, and that he should answer for that.  That’s B.S.  Only a small percentage of blacks actually took active part in those demonstations and those not taking part were never accused of cowardice.

But here we are talking about these over-the-line things again.  By the way, the three outragerous, over-the-top people i mentioned either are or were MSNBC anchors.  Just a coincidence or is there a pattern here . . .

I think Tommy Christopher managed to actually make a salient point the other day when he said that both political sides seem to put their own expectations onto black candidates.

I wouldn’t blame any person for roundly refusing to submit to that demand.

SIDEBAR:

LAWRENCE O’DONNEL is one of the fairest, most intelligent and sensitive hosts on cable TV news outlets.
In fact, now tha he is competing with KEITH OLBERMANN on CURRENT TV, I often prefer O’Donnel to Olbermann.

I guess Libya is not a war, except for all the black Africans that have been murdered by the rebels that Obama and Biden support. You people are evil.

Slavery exists today. Legally, and it ain’t in white nations. Unless you call Americans indentured to 0bama’s dream government slaves. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html

And were you defending the office of the President of the United States during the 8 years of Bush??? NO. You thought the Hitler stuff was OK then so save me your fake outrage now.

I am no fan of Rush, Beck, or Ann. But I have a feeling YOU love and adore the hate filled bomb throwers of the left. Ed, Olbermann, Lawrence, Mike Malloy, etc. So while your keeping silent about their hate you can continue to STFU about anyone else. In other words… “Clean your own damned house first.”

People in glass houses and all. I thought the interview with Obama was just as tough as any Bush got from the liberal media. So again take your fake outrage and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

You thought this stuff was funny for 8 years… so feel free to laugh your butt off about it now. Why don’t you think people have the 1st amendment right to attack the President all of a sudden? Gee I wonder what changed???

And were you defending the office of the President of the United States during the 8 years of Bush??? NO. You thought the Hitler stuff was OK then so save me your fake outrage now.

I am no fan of Rush, Beck, or Ann. But I have a feeling YOU love and adore the hate filled bomb throwers of the left. Ed, Olbermann, Lawrence, Mike Malloy, etc. So while your keeping silent about their hate you can continue to STFU about anyone else. In other words… “Clean your own damned house first.”

People in glass houses and all. I thought the interview with Obama was just as tough as any Bush got from the liberal media. So again take your fake outrage and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

You thought this stuff was funny for 8 years… so feel free to laugh your butt off about it now. Why don’t you think people have the 1st amendment right to attack the President all of a sudden? Gee I wonder what changed???

That too… he shouldn’t have been discussing it so he had to call in backup. Thanks for agreeing with me on that one.

  I marched in college against my school’s investment in companies involved Apartheid South Africa.  The protesting was loud and open, and my face was plastered all over campus newspapers. The administration knew who I was and what we were doing.

 When faced with injustice against Black people, I stood up, and was counted. Herman Cain claims to be a “real Black man” and shuffled to the sidelines hiding.  That’s a PUNK move, and he deserves to be called out in the media for doing so.

–Cobra

I’m comfortable with people who speak the TRUTH and don’t profess to be something they are NOT.

–Cobra

That is a gold star put down, ND.

Kudos to you!

He brings so much to meidiaite, have you noticed? I think he’s a she though, cause he keeps calling me a misogynist. When she gets beat up for HuffPo-like postings.

It’s interesting that so much fuss was made over that sentiment when we’ve heard it for years about other groups.

How many times has someone said that poor whites are brainwashed to vote against their own interests?

That’s routinely said of conservatives of color.

As a conservative woman, I’ve often had Democrats of either gender tell me that I must be brainwashed because of my political affiliation.  (They nearly always have expressed that opinion in a manner far more inflammatory than the I just related it,)

There’s a relevant point that people are attempting to make in such a comment.

It may not be true in a monumental way or in a particular case.  It may be said out of the desire to pigeonhole people based upon some “group status” , but the possibility that people can and have been led into a sort of groupthink or tribalism that is based upon other factors (religion, ethnicity, geography, etc) is a valid one. 

It never hurts anyone to ask themselves, what do I believe and is it based upon a realistic perception or upon an appeal to some outdated or esoteric notion.

It’s interesting that so much fuss was made over that sentiment when we’ve heard it for years about other groups.

How many times has someone said that poor whites are brainwashed to vote against their own interests?

That’s routinely said of conservatives of color.

As a conservative woman, I’ve often had Democrats of either gender tell me that I must be brainwashed because of my political affiliation.  (They nearly always have expressed that opinion in a manner far more inflammatory than the I just related it,)

There’s a relevant point that people are attempting to make in such a comment.

It may not be true in a monumental way or in a particular case.  It may be said out of the desire to pigeonhole people based upon some “group status” , but the possibility that people can and have been led into a sort of groupthink or tribalism that is based upon other factors (religion, ethnicity, geography, etc) is a valid one. 

It never hurts anyone to ask themselves, what do I believe and is it based upon a realistic perception or upon an appeal to some outdated or esoteric notion.

It’s interesting that so much fuss was made over that sentiment when we’ve heard it for years about other groups.

How many times has someone said that poor whites are brainwashed to vote against their own interests?

That’s routinely said of conservatives of color.

As a conservative woman, I’ve often had Democrats of either gender tell me that I must be brainwashed because of my political affiliation.  (They nearly always have expressed that opinion in a manner far more inflammatory than the I just related it,)

There’s a relevant point that people are attempting to make in such a comment.

It may not be true in a monumental way or in a particular case.  It may be said out of the desire to pigeonhole people based upon some “group status” , but the possibility that people can and have been led into a sort of groupthink or tribalism that is based upon other factors (religion, ethnicity, geography, etc) is a valid one. 

It never hurts anyone to ask themselves, what do I believe and is it based upon a realistic perception or upon an appeal to some outdated or esoteric notion.

It’s interesting that so much fuss was made over that sentiment when we’ve heard it for years about other groups.

How many times has someone said that poor whites are brainwashed to vote against their own interests?

That’s routinely said of conservatives of color.

As a conservative woman, I’ve often had Democrats of either gender tell me that I must be brainwashed because of my political affiliation.  (They nearly always have expressed that opinion in a manner far more inflammatory than the I just related it,)

There’s a relevant point that people are attempting to make in such a comment.

It may not be true in a monumental way or in a particular case.  It may be said out of the desire to pigeonhole people based upon some “group status” , but the possibility that people can and have been led into a sort of groupthink or tribalism that is based upon other factors (religion, ethnicity, geography, etc) is a valid one. 

It never hurts anyone to ask themselves, what do I believe and is it based upon a realistic perception or upon an appeal to some outdated or esoteric notion.

Thanks for toeing the murderous Gadhafi regime and his paid African mercenaries line

I will just give you the evidence…

http://global-security-news.com/2011/09/19/libya-black-africans-continue-to-be-killed-and-persecuted-by-rebel-forces/

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/201122865814378541.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carina-ray/gaddafi-mercenaries_b_983506.html

Would I be considered racist if I consider Cain to be so much better than any of the white candidates? Hey I wonder if O’Donnell’s racist daddy marched with baby Larry for civil rights? Did the elder O’Donnell volunteer any legal assistance, gratis, for the blacks in his community? It seems that Goldie Taylor’s parents live in Atlanta, GA. I wonder if the elder Taylor was ever arrested or beaten for his protestations while not sitting at the back of a bus??? Paging Goldie… Tell us of the brave elder Taylor who did so much more than Herman Cain, who listened to his father’s advise. Hey maybe it is in her book? Anyone read Goldie Taylor’s book?

Remember this?
“Michael Steele is dancing as fast as he can, trying to charm independent voters and Tea Partiers while never losing sight of his real master and paycheck provider, the Republican National Committee”.
And now this thing with Herman Cain. It’s obvious Lawrence O’donnell is a racist. He should just come clean, admit his shortcomings, and try to become a better man.

In which case, his anti-war excuse disqualifies him from being “offended on behalf of all the veterans of the Vietnam War who joined”. It takes a special kind of arrogance and audacity, not to mention stupidity, for O’Donnell to believe he is worthy enough to speak for the veterans of any era.

I wonder if I’ll make his Santa wish list?

The US population is 72.4% white, 12.6% black. In
Alaska, blacks are 3% of the population but 10% of the
welfare recipients, and whites are 66.7% total pop. but
only 28.8% of welfare recipients. In Alabama, the
numbers are blacks 26% total, 69% of welfare, whites
68.5% total but only 28.8% of welfare recipients. In
Oregon, blacks 1.8% total, 8.9% of welfare, whites
83.6% of total pop., and 70.1% of welfare (lots of white
liberal hippies in Oregon). In Illinois, blacks are 14.5% of
the total pop. and 68.3% of welfare, whites 71.5% total
and 20.5% of welfare. In each and every state, the
percentage of blacks on welfare is 2, 3 or 4 times
higher than the percentage of blacks in the total
population, while whites are always less. And I didn’t
use fake numbers like you did. I went to the US Gov.
Census Dept. and Dept of Health and Human services
for the data.

You are 99% full of shit. Watch one more installmrnt of “The Last Word” and you’ll be topped off.

musines, I didn’t look at the other links but the huffpo post is pretty accurate. I happen to have followed and blogged about the Libyan revolution. Racism is certainly a character of the Libyan people. No doubt, 1) Libyan culture is a racist one 2) Rebels have
mistreated captured brigade members, particularly the black skinned ones

I’m not aware if this continued even post their leadership calling for restrain and criminalizing ‘revenge’ which happened after the fall of Tripoli

However, all this does not negate the fact that Gadhafi was on the verge of committing a massacre in Benghazi and that nato has helped avert that. That, and not to mention Ghadhafi’s known practice of importing under-age African orphans, raising them in camps, naturalizing them & winning their unquestioning loyalty and subsequently enrolling them in his brigades. They too have committed atrocities against rebels during the time the revolution was in its ‘peaceful’ phase

Libya is an intricate affair but no question Nato and this admin made the right call. Whether it’s a legal one, that remains a matter for debate – my take is that it is illegal

Brains are your weapon and you are unarmed.

 You’re buying into that “New Black Panther Party” photo shop fiction about Obama, too?

 And since we’re on it…..

 Reverend Jeremiah Wright:

“Wright served in the U.S. Marines (1961-63), finished U.S. Navy
corpsman’s school in 1963, and was a cardiopulmonary technician at the
U.S. Navy Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland (1963-67), where he served on a
medical team attending to President Lyndon Johnson…
He studied at Virginia Union University (1959-61) and, after military
service, at Howard University (1967-1969), where he earned B.A. and M.A.
degrees. He earned another master’s degree
at the University of Chicago Divinity School (1975) and a D.Min. at
United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio (1990)… Born and raised
Baptist, he was first licensed to preach while a freshman in college and
later received standing as an ordained minister in the United Church of
Christ.”Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/jeremiah-wright#ixzz1aDpL0QHvJeremiah Wright left school and turned down a college deferment to join the Marines in 1961.And you have a problem with “Black Liberation Theology.”  What about the Southern Baptists?“Protestant churches in the southern U.S. once preached that slavery was sanctioned by God

The SBC’s belated apology to African-Americans for “condoning and/or
perpetuating individual and system racism” came 133 years after slavery
was abolished in the southern states following the southern defeat in
the American Civil War, and almost 400 years after the first slaves were
unloaded on American soil.”http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1123883541&type=articlesThere are a helluva lot more Southern Baptists running around than Black Liberation Theologians, but who’s philosophy do YOU agree with?–Cobra

I condemn Blacks all the time on this blog for selling out.  Where have you been hiding?

–Cobra

There’s rampant slavery going on in Eastern Europe. It’s called the SEX TRADE.  They even have White child sex rings in America.

 What….you didn’t know?

–Cobra

His high IQ is equal to his low voltage. I’ve explained to him how republicans are constantly accused of wanting dirty water, dirty air, cutting off SSI for granny, medicaid, medicare, the return of Jim Crow, taking women’s rights to their bodies, cutting off teacher’s salaries, run down schools, lack of fire, police protection etc, etc. It falls on dead brain cells.

I can only surmise that those things don’t scare a liberal?

You’re concerned for the well-being of “black Africans” since when? 

–Cobra

Tim, why is crack (brought in by the CIA) better than Crystal Meth?

–Cobra

Yes I do.

–Cobra

Ask Ronald Reagan who was against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965, and Fair Housing Act of 1966.

–Cobra

They know that Cain is 10 times the man that 0bama is and is provably twice the black man that 0bama is. Hence the class warfare escalation. They lose their race card with Cain, and look how they still attempt to play it!

I don’t largely disagree though the assumption that most blacks have not ‘asked themselves’ before affiliating with the left is a condescending assumption

My contention based on casual observation and, subject to inaccuracy, is that most blacks are church-attending, religious and conservative. And had the right not been repulsively racist, chances are they would for the most part lean to the right

The CIA taught blacks how to buy baking soda and to freebase??? Interesting. Wow, our government spent a lot on that! I could tell you how to do it right here. Here’s what you need: You need a vial, water, boiling water, cocaine, and baking soda. You could be a dumb-ass and do it like Richard Pryor, but…wait, go ahead and do it your own way, genius.

–Mongoose

Hey, an open mind as well. Kudos!  Agreed.

Crack is also highly addictive during the crash. Period.

–Mongoose

Maybe you missed the word “legally”?

–Mongoose

I think these three black people are examples of the BRAINWASHED black people Herman Cain is talking about.

(At least the middle one tactfully acknowledged Laurence’s culpability in the interview that made her squirm… i.e., that he never has asked white people the same question.)

Further, the BRAINWASHED white person who does this show is changing his story. He says here that he’s not saying there’s any right or wrong answer to these questions, but he blatantly accused Cain of making the wrong decision by not volunteering to be on the frontline, as opposed to simply putting his fate in the hand of the lottery.

These people are all wannabe intellectuals but they really aren’t that bright.

Such a quick wit.

Al Sharpton is not brainwashed. He’s a race baiting pimp who will use the race card at the drop of a hat. He knows exactly what he is doing. His ignorance shows when he tries to compare the crazies at Wall Street with the Civil Rights Movement.

Happy to see that Larry is more black than Cain.  But Larry is less black than Obama even though Obama is really less black than Cain.  Sharpton, I would guess, is the most black since liberals think he is. 

Only if Al “fake Rev” Sharpton was questioned the same way, same words by O’Reilly, he would be screaming racism!

I’m Black. I’m conscious. I know the history of America in regards to White Conservatives and their treatment of minority groups.

  Why the HELL would I ever consider voting for one given their history, platform and agendas?

–Cobra

Reagan began his political career as a liberal Democrat, admirer of Franklin D. Roosevelt, and an active supporter of New Deal policies. In the early 1950s, as his relationship with Republican actress Nancy Davis grew,[52][53] he shifted to the right and, while remaining a Democrat, endorsed the presidential candidacies of Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956 as well as Richard Nixon in 1960.

Some people actually grow a brain as they age, Cobra. What’s your excuse? Still in adolescence? I actually voted for the charlatan AlGore and helped Bj Clinton get elected by voting PeeRot.

–Mongoose

O’Dumbbell once compared Jesus to Hitler.  That says it all about this character and M-essNBSleaze.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLebINn3spA
As for the other three, they are far from geniuses, or even all that honorable. 

Harris Perry in particular is a noted racial McCarthyite.  She once declared on Keith Olbermann’s now-defunct show that “we must educate people to know that it is racist to oppose certain policies”.  Yeah, that doesn’t sound fascist, or anything. 

She also usually quick to McCarthy-ize her fellow socialists in the same way, such as Joan Walsh when she dared to object to the brain-less/-washed notion that white voters are abandoning Obama not because he sucks but because they are racists.  So it was pretty sad here to see her swallow her pride and pretty much tow the MSDNC line lest she be banished from the plantation a la Cenk Ugyuorwhatever.  Guess risking those “guest host” gigs and maybe a possible show for herself was not worth her honor and values.

As for the other two, they’ve no class, particularly the vile racehustler Sharpton whom has made a fortune duping and boss ruling mobs of African-Americans to suit his negotations with the white liberal plantation masters.

Where does it say Jesus wants health care for all?

 1964 – LBJ gets 94% of the Black vote.
 1984- Mondale gets 90% of the Black vote.
  2000- Gore gets 90% of the Black vote.
  2004 – Kerry gets 88% of the Black vote.
  2008 – Obama gets 96% of the Black vote….and you say it’s “strictly on skin pigmentation?”

  Is a think-tank paying you to make these kinds of ridiculous statements, or do you post them here for free?

–Cobra

Nope. He got it right the first time.

 The difference being what?  A law that isn’t enforced isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.  And which race is overwhelmingly responsible for child pornography?

–Cobra

Nice talking points. As usual you are totally wrong. Give us a clip of anyone at Fox supporting dirty energy or low paying jobs.

I think Lawrence was juxtaposing civil rights movement to the wall street protests movement which Cain was disparaging.

The point was, if people with grievances were to listen to those who call for acquiescing to the status quo and playing it perfectly safe, like Herman father’s advice to Herman, and like Herman’s advice to the wall street protesters, results such as those attributed to the civil rights movement and that Herman is enjoying today would not have been attained.

In other words, Cain is deemed unqualified to give advice to the wall street protesters

You can clearly watch the entirety of the interview that O’Donnell did with Cain and see in the Civil Rights and Draft Dodger segments that he was very clearly attacking Cain and questioning his “Blackness”. It becomes even more obvious when you watch the segment shown in this article, where O’Donnell brings on a panel of Blacks that are supposed to have street cred and tries his best to walk back his implications. I watched the two clips back to back and anyone who denies this loses their own credibility. Please don’t attempt to excuse O’Donnell by hiding behind the “defense” that he was only trying to clarify an inconsistency in Cain’s book. Please don’t say that Cain should just expect to face “tough questions” when the reality is that Cain was being attacked and demeaned. Please don’t fall into the trap of partisanship and think that absolves you and the people on “your side” for any actions taken that shouldn’t have been. You damage your own credibility. I understand that this is just some message board on the internet and you probably shouldn’t care too much about it here, but it’s time for Black people to start considering the real implications of actions like these and the consequences for the Black community. This cover up action is the exact reason why Cain says that Democrats have brainwashed Black people and so many whites and a growing number of Blacks believe him. What O’Donnell did was racist and indefensible, yet he can so easily trot out Black “leaders” who will explain it away (Kudos to Melissa Harris Perry for being at least partially honest in pointing out a double standard). You say O’Donnell’s tone is ‘subjective’ and you don’t watch his show so you don’t have to be honest and say that what he did is terrible. The reason why is because you feel compelled to protect your loyalties to Blacks and, by extension, to the democratic party. Nothing should get anyone a pass. The fact that MLK cheated on his wife doesn’t diminish the amazing and important work he did, and anyone who tries to use the one to overshadow the other should be taken to task for doing so. Clinton getting head in the Oval Office doesn’t make him a bad President of the United States, NAFTA does.

So agree with your last statement. I was very happy with Melissa Harris-Perry for speaking up and essentially disagreeing with O’Donnell. I used to think she was a race baiter. My opinion of her has changed and I will from now on always give her a fair shake.

On August 18, 1996, the San Jose Mercury News published the first installment of
a three-part series of articles concerning crack cocaine, the Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA), and the Nicaraguan Contra army. The introduction to the first installment of the
series read:

The three-day series of articles, entitled “Dark Alliance: The Story Behind the
Crack Explosion,” told the story of a Los Angeles drug operation run by Ricky Donnell
Ross, described sympathetically as “a disillusioned 19-year-old . . . who, at the
dawn of the 1980s, found himself adrift on the streets of South-Central Los Angeles.”
The Dark Alliance series recounted how Ross began peddling small quantities of cocaine in
the early 1980s and rapidly grew into one of the largest cocaine dealers in southern
California until he was convicted of federal drug trafficking charges in March 1996. The
series claimed that Ross’ rise in the drug world was made possible by Oscar Danilo Blandon
and Norwin Meneses, two individuals with ties to the Fuerza Democratica Nicaraguense
(FDN), one group comprising the Nicaraguan Contras. Blandon and Meneses reportedly sold
tons of cocaine to Ross, who in turn converted it to crack and sold it in the black
communities of South Central Los Angeles. Blandon and Meneses were said to have used their
drug trafficking profits to help fund the Contra army’s war effort.”

http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

 I know…I know….if you didn’t see it on Fox News, it must not have ever happened.

–Cobra
 

David, it’s Mom…time, again, for your meds!

Grow a brain?

” “If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, he has a right to do so.”

Ronald Reagan, 1966

–Cobra

As soon as Wall St protesters have to worry about getting strung up in trees or dragged behind cars or beaten to death and having the police cover it up, I’d be more than happy to listen to your juxtaposition. Shit, I’d even settle for any actual inconvenience being visited upon the Occupy Wall St crowd (besides Michael Moore. He alone may be worse than everything that Black people have endured). No Black person from America could ever honestly try to boil the struggle to stay alive to “acquiescing to the status quo and playing it perfectly safe”. You may want to think on that for just a little bit before getting swept up in the politics of it all.

O’Donnell realizes that he messed up big time in this interview. It was obvious in the original interview that he had one goal: He wanted to smear Cain regarding the Civil Rights Movement and permanently put a dent in his campaign. He just didn’t expect Cain to handle the interview with so much class and common sense.

And now in this clip O’Donnell walks it back saying “I didn’t mean to say there is a right or wrong answer” “If I was Cain’s father I would’ve given him the same advice” “I can’t say what I would have done if I was in Cain’s situation”

Then WHY did you berate him the day before? O’Donnell, like most libs, is such a pseudo-intellectual fake!

dsgspm,

Putting aside disputes about the various level of racism in political parties, I think that African-Americans show that their hearts are continuously going on past societal racism.

I think the biggest reason that African-Americans are Democrats is because government is what protects and in a particular sense saved them from racism in the first place.

Consequently, rhetoric about limited govt sounds like a reversal of progress.

Gee, I looked to my left and to my right, in front of me and behind me, when I was in Vung Tau, Chu Lai, and DaNang, Viet Nam, and I didn’t see Bill Clinton anywhere!

O’Donnell, next time you have him on your show, ask Bill Clinton where he was in Viet Nam; I know he was there “serving his country” because that’s got to be the reason why he was able to become commander in chief! 

What’s wrong with “Cobra kils?”

–Cobra

Libs only like certain blacks and those are the ones that they feel they can munipulated. The reason they don’t like Cain, is because Cain thinks for himself and is not talked into thinking the white man is the boogie man. The Dems love the blacks that they can talk into believing thst everyone is a racist except of course them, the libs. The libs use blacks and Latinos for votes. At this point they have to paint Cain as an uncle Tom so that the blacks don’t stray away from Obama, the man that has managed to screw them, then talked down to them by telling them bascically, get off your ass and work for my reelection. Yes Obama is kinda like O.j only becomes black ( ie drops the Gs) when he needs blacks to save his ass!

It was an interview, not unreasonable to ask a candidate for president to square his claim of love of country with his not contributing to the war effort. Did not get the sense Lawrence was expressing  outrage on behalf of veterans

“These people are all wannabe intellectuals but they really aren’t that bright.”

Unfortunately, they are banking on their viewers being the ones who aren’t that bright and they are correct. The American school system has made a concerted effort to murder critical thought and it’s going fabulously well.

I wasn’t a “fan,” but was tepid about her for the opposite reason.  I found her to be too intellectual, but that’s her metier, so I have come to respect that.  She is not a voice for Black America like Sharpton was or contends “still is”; she is a scholar on racial issues, and, being half-white herself, has a detached view of the subject matter. Her “race baiting,” I think, was more of her being philosophical and intellectual, and analyzing everything through that prism of her studied expertise.  So, for opposite reasons, you and I have reached the center–which is a good place to be. :)

Walk with me through America through the prism of the Black experience.  Tell me honestly, how those experiences would shape your attitudes and preferences.

–Cobra

I don’t know that her being half-white makes her more detached on the subject matter. In my experience, often mixed people who self-identify as Black feel even more pressure to conform than those who are not mixed. They are generally considered to have more to prove as well by the Black community.

First of all, you probably shouldn’t assume what my thought process is or isn’t. Because 1) you have no idea, and 2) it weakens your argument.
Second, I don’t agree with Melissa Harris-Perry. So does that mean I’m still making excuses or that she is? The fact you viewed that panel — which consisted of a civil rights leader who actually marched and a political science professor who focuses on race — as some way for Lawrence to get permission to assail blacks, is absurd. You provide no proof of that and worse, help to argue the opposite by pointing out MHP disagreed with Lawrence.
Point is, as much as folks would like to think most blacks think the same way, we don’t. Every individual is entitled to their opinion, and if they have facts that have informed it then that’s even better.
My credibility relies on my being able to back up my assertions, opinions, and observations with facts. I’ve done so here. So sir, if you disagree just say so. But don’t infer that i have no reason to say what I’ve stated and that I’m essentially in cahoots with some Black establishment thinking and am unable to speak for myself. I can assure you that’s not the case.

lol, the prism of Black experience. It should definitely shape Blacks to be forever grateful to their Democrat saviors, who want to make sure to give them free stuff and keep most of them right where they are in exchange for votes.

And I agree with Reagan to this day. Just as businesses shouldn’t be forced by government to not allow smoking, if I don’t want to serve white people in my restaurant, I shouldn’t be forced to by your government. If I lose my customers because of it, it is my fault. That used to be called freedom.

–Mongoose

Why are liberals so concerned with who others concern themselves with? What business is it of yours who I concern myself with, Mr. righteous, “black Africans” pink, purple white, or otherwise? Since when should that be any of yours Mr. righteous? I could care less about the well being of anyone but whom I decide to be concerned about, Mr righteous.

–Mongoose

Such a dim wit. Were all 12iq points firing at once for that stellar retort?

Mongoose eat cobras for breakfast.

–Mongoose

Crack can be made with baking soda, cocaine and water, water at 212 degrees F (at sea level). Wow, now how do I get you addicted? Hold a gun to your head? After the effects of the crash wear off, no more addiction. Did the CIA introduce heroin and tobacco to blacks too?

My guess is that the reactions O’Donnell got for his vile, disgusting interview of Cain were mostly negative. So he feels he has to bring on three black liberal MSNBC employees to back him up or at least soften his image.

Kudos to Melissa Harris-Perry for at least saying she was uncomfortable with O’Donnell’s questions to a black man and wonders why he had to be questioned that way when a white man would not be. I wish she had more firm, but at least it made her squirm and uneasy.

The other two towed the liberal line because they hate a conservative black man as much as O’Donnell.

Would someone educate the Rev. Al that a far greater percentage of Republicans in both houses of congress backed and voted for both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 than did Democrats? Neither bill would have passed the Senate without the votes of Republicans. I hear he has come out with this lie on his own show to. It is either ignorance of history or a lie on his part.

O’Donnell’s attempt to soften his interview did not convince me. It was one of the most vile, condescending, hateful, and shameful interviews I have ever witnessed. It showed him to be ignorant about the civil rights time line and prejudiced himself. (He thought that draft dodger Clinton was fit to be CIC and anti-war activist Kerry was fit to be CIC. But a conservative black man who was a Navy civil servant and made himself available to the draft was questionable to be CIC. Wow.)

Only Ms. Perry knows if she is detached or not, but I guess I’m of the opinion that biracial people have a right to be detached, especially if they are non-committal about “choosing” sides.  The fact that she even “studies” race or sociology suggests she wants to understand, academically, how race issues pervade our American lives.  I’m not sure biracial people have more to prove, as much as Blacks (such as myself) want to know that they do not reject the Black part of themselves. We know when someone is rejecting us by neglecting us; skin color is not something that is overlooked anywhere we walk in this country. A simple nod of hello is enough. 

People who don’t see color or who are color-blind, and are just as likely to be willfully blind to the social realities of the unique experience of Black Americans.  Our unique experiences are a part of the very existence as Americans throughout this whole country, something everybody, including Cain, would like to forget. Then O’Donnell, a well-meaning liberal, comes along… and finds himself a victim of his own [genteel] racism.  God Bless America.  You gotta love this schizophrenic country. 

Sharptooooooon is just that a joke.

The powers that be at Comcast better wake the hell up and damn fast. LSDnbc has been wallowing around in the deepest muck of the New York sewer system for quite some time. Are the higher ups at Comcast racial bigots like their talking heads? From Joe in the morning right on through the day and night, ending with the hate monger, Ed Schultz, everyone at LSD/PMSnbc is so fixated on FOX News and White Republicans and Independents that nobody takes MSNBC seriously. FOX News kicks the hell out of LSDnbc daily because FOX gives us the news and doesn’t give the trash across the street the time of day. Like I say Comcast better pull their heads out of that place where the sun don’t shine and come to the realization that LSD/PMSnbc is garbage! 

She still sees racism in everything.She saw racism in O’Donnell (accurately, for a change), but she couldn’t call him out on it directly because they’re on the same team. That makes her a hypocrite as well as a race-baiter.

But Cain explained that very honestly to O’Donnell, based upon what he had written in his book.

He said that it started when he was in high school and his father had always told him to stay out of trouble.  Cain said that the  ethos in their family had been to act counter to their “real feelings” and had he been more mature and independent he would have joined in the marches.

I don’t think you can make that sort of judgment about a grown man years later.  A man  who has been a leader, run companies and taken all the risks associated with those things.

It’s just too precious (in the sense of being affected) a stand. It doesn’t take into consideration any thing the man is now and the struggles and courage involved in getting there.

That’s based upon the idea of property rights. That the govt has no right to tell you what you can do with your own property. 

It’s the bedrock of libertarianism. 

I think Reagan later moved beyond that stance, as did many people of that era (including some Democratic pols who were still around in the last 20 years.)

Oh come on ND. That’s not fair..

I just found out Larry was calling Cain a draft dodger.  hahahaha

Then I suppose that all you need to do is explain why, based on watching O’Donnell in those two clips, he should be defended. I’d be more than happy to know what your thought process is. I certainly agree with you that not all Blacks think the same way, since you and I obviously disagree. All I have to go on when trying to discern your thought process is the arguments that you have made:
“The reason O’Donnell asked the question is because he found what he considered to be an inconsistency in Cain’s book.”
“As far as Larry’s tone, that’s more subjective, I feel. I don’t watch Larry’s show.”
” I’m not saying candidates shouldn’t appear on other party’s shows but, I
am saying that, if they do they shouldn’t be shocked by the tough
questions.”
If your thought process wasn’t explaining away O’Donnell’s behavior and justifying his actions, then what was it?

Oh, and why do you think that O’Donnell wasn’t bringing a panel of black people on so that they could excuse his behavior? Why do you think that he brought them on? They “know what time it is”. They are paid talking heads. And MHP very carefully DIDN’T disagree with O’Donnell. She said that whites should face the same questions, not that the questions themselves are unfair. I don’t see that you’ve backed anything up with facts. You’ve just made assertions and avoided answering the toughest question: Were there distressing racial undertones in the interview?

The difference being what?  A law that isn’t enforced isn’t worth the
paper it’s written on.  And which race is overwhelmingly responsible for
child pornography?

–Cobra

The difference being just what it is. DOMA ain’t worth the paper it’s written on with your boy, Barry, in office, now is it? The peanut farmer specifically outlawed political assassinations in the 70′s. Your boy, Barry, made him self judge, jury and executioner. Yes, I guess you are somewhat right about laws and pieces of paper. They don’t mean much to liberals depending on who is in charge.

As for slavery, which is what we were talking about, remember??? The difference being that in some countries slavery is not against the law, or enforced if it is. And one of the those countries is NOT America. Big difference. Another difference is that the ones practicing slavery to this day are not WHITE. Every race has practiced slavery, yet little liberal dummies are under the impression that it is exclusive to whites suppressing people of color. See the difference? Who the hell was talking about race and pornography??? You get the clown award for the day. Clown.

LOL!

Now Larry’s a Racist?

At the end of the day, who will be left that’s NOT a racist?
Maybe it’ll be Maxine Waters, Tawana Sharpton and that New Black Panther that wants to kill white babies!

O’Donnell is a racist Plantation owner who wants ‘obedient’ Blacks. They have to meet HIS definition of ‘black.’ O’Donnell wants to control Blacks…keep them in their place.

Everyone knows that Libs are the biggest racists around. They all want to be ‘Masters.’

There were more photos released, and they put Barry right there next to Shabazz. Yes, I buy it. The price was using my own eyes to see it.

Your black theologians are straight up racist. Like your boy Barry. And were talkin about a racist in the WH. And I don’t know one southern baptist other than the peanut farmer who sat in the white house, and we aint talkin about him. Hey did you know that the athiest lefnutjob Timmy McVeigh was a marine? As was the self loathing John Murtha? Wright’s service to our country is moot and negated by his pandering for dollars as a black theologian race-baiter. That’s my philosophy.

–Mongoose

Anyone has the right to be detached, and biracial people certainly have the ability to look beyond just one side because they can lay claim to more than one culture. I am simply stating that when those cultures are in opposition, there can be intense pressure to choose one over the other. I have seen many Blacks want to know that biracial people don’t reject the Black part of themselves without considering that these biracial people weren’t even splitting themselves into parts. While I admire that you feel that simple acknowledgement would suffice, there are many that want people to “act Black”. While I think we’d agree that only people who can afford to not see color are color-blind, I think that Black people need to be as aware that every culture and race has its own unique experience and social reality. I believe that one of the main things that has contributed to the decline of the Black community (I believe that it has, ironically, grown weaker since the civil rights era) is that too many Black people only see black and white and are willfully blind to the other colors and American experiences. I think that seeing other races come into America, struggle under racism yet ultimately prosper can serve as a road map for success for Blacks even if they were not oppressed as thoroughly or for as long as Blacks.

I also have to say that I didn’t see anything at all well-meaning in the interview O’Donnell gave Cain. He just looked partisan and spiteful to me. When I say that Black people give liberals a pass, this is exactly what I mean. O’Donnell definitely goes to great lengths to paint himself as well-meaning in the clip here, but the actual interview gives the lie to his spin if you watch it.

“Tonight on the O’Donnelly Hour, some tape from my show yesterday, plus reactions to that tape, plus your emails”

American History is straight up racist, and American Society is slow to come to terms with it.  Your problem is…

 You won’t admit it.  Nope. I don’t blame you. Most White Conservatives who post here want everybody to  simply shut up and buy into the White Male Power Structure that keeps people who look and act like them on top.  That’s why the only minorities you and your ilk will tolerate are those who stay on script.

–Cobra

You were loud and open at your college protesting against something that was happening halfway around the world. Gold star. Were you hosed down? Maybe someone released dogs on you? Maybe you were beaten and lynched or raped? No? Oh, they put your picture in the school paper? Really, more than one? Wow. You’re a real man’s man. Way to be on the front lines. You stood up and was counted. The people in the Civil Rights movement stood up and were marked for death. Trying to equate those two things is definitely a PUNK move, and you certainly deserved to be called out by me for doing so.

Did Lawrence O’Donnell ask Cain about his grades? Did he ask Cain how he was brought up? Did he ask Cain about his mother? Did he ask Cain about his grandparents? I don’t recall him asking Cain any of those things. Not sure I get what your actual question is..

 Because the ultimate argument is NOT about slavery at all. It’s about the unspoken belief in White Supremacy that many posters here can wink and nod at when there’s nobody around to call them out on it.

–Cobra

Watch the interview and you’ll hear O’Donnell say exactly what RIChris quoted.

How much meth did you smoke before you wrote that comment??

It doesn’t anywhere!! But do honestly think Jesus wouldn’t want the sick to be taken care of?? Come on!!

The Cobra wins sometimes!!

– Reality!!

Herb Cain took offense to O’ Donnell’s questions because he knows they had merit!! Pretty amazing what a fool Herb looks like when he doesn’t get those easy questions from Fox News!!

From now on the media should just ask Herb questions about pizza, since that is about the extent of his knowledge… Oh, and you can also ask him how his book tour is going as long as you don’t ask him about what he wrote in his book!!

It’s perfectly clear; O’Donnell excoriates Cain because he’s not the RIGHT ‘KIND’ of BLACK. He’s a Conservative Black, which, in his Leftist tiny mind, gives O’Donnell the ‘right’ to attack him.

Would you like to try declaring that O’Donnell is attacking Cain NOT because of race but because of ideology? Then we’ll say the same about OBAMO.

I like Cain very much, which means you’ve lost your little ‘racism’ baseball bat.

What’s the “right kind of black” in your eyes??

Plus, you called O’ Donnell a “racist Plantation owner”, you really think that has merit?? Maybe certain people want to know why he didn’t serve in Vietnam or march in Atlanta during the Civil Rights movement??

NDanielson writes:

“Crack can be made with baking soda, cocaine and water, water at 212
degrees F (at sea level). Wow, now how do I get you addicted? Hold a gun
to your head? After the effects of the crash wear off, no more
addiction. Did the CIA introduce heroin and tobacco to blacks too?

 You know an awful lot about the manufacturing of crack cocaine. Any other info you’d like to share online?  As far as heroin goes….like the coca plant, that stuff gets imported in. Ship containers being the most popular, usually with a WHITE organized criminal element doing the smuggling.

 Do you have some data that would refute this?

–Cobra

It’s racism 101.  That you agree with the philosophy tells me a whole lot more about you.

–Cobra

You can serve anybody you wish in your establishment. Just make it private club, and not a public accommodation. Don’t seek public licensing, incorporation or any other protections available via government.

  The Ku Klux Klan successfully keeps non-Whites out of their membership.  Why do you feel encumbered by the CRA of 1964?

–Cobra

  What are you talking about?  A Democrat named LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1966.  A Republican named Ronald Reagan opposed ALL THREE, and Nixon began utilizing the Southern Strategy. 

   Now, if Republicans put up candidates like Dwight Eisenhower, who integrated the armed forces, maybe they’d get more support from African-Americans.

–Cobra

We’re actually in agreement about O’Donnell.  He was setting Cain up, just like he did Taitz, to which my reference of “gotcha” journalism alluded.  

I also think you have to segregate “Blacks” into categories, nowadays: those more educated and worldly, and those not so educated and worldly.  Blacks who have traveled and seen other cultures and who [were] a part of the middle class are used to the diversity of cultures here.  I grew up with mixed race Blacks so the concept isn’t lost on me.   

Your reliance upon Blacks being accepting of other cultures is, respectfully, a bit naive.  We are very sensitized to other cultures because, more likely than not, they get the jobs we’re looking for.  I have contended, recently, that this country is for everyone BUT Black Americans.  Obama was elected because he was NOT Black American.  He belonged to the immigrant class of Blacks, which is always lifted up as a model for our imitation.  The Attorney General is of West Indian descent, just like Colin Powell.  Were you to name any major actors of the 50s and 60s, the two you name, will be of West Indian descent (Poitier, Belafonte).  Even Wesley Snipes is of Black Cuban background. 

Sadly, the paradigm of Black immigrants’ success in the US is due to the fact that they were born in countries where the educational system benefited them. All British speak with a British accent, because their schools aren’t as ghetto-ized as ours (for lack of a more sophisticated word).  That’s not to say the Black British don’t have issues, but even they’d concede that their problems are nothing like ours here, and they can apply to a job and not have their application thrown away. Don’t even get me started about why names on resumes should be disallowed, as it, again, is a way of discriminating.  Black surnames mimic their former masters’ surnames, so when one looks at a resume – the job can often be one of figuring out if the person is Black.  All of the other surnames are distinguishable by their sounds – vasquez, hirohito, Chung, Park, Stanislavsky. Smith?  Hmm….   

Slavery–yes, slavery took away any ability of Blacks to be given a fair shot.  Some of us are catching up, by being entertainers, sports jockeys, but the model American Black story is really a story, for the most part, about West Indian American Blacks.  There are definitely some Black American movers and shakers in the business world, who have made it to the top… most of us aren’t aiming for the top.  We want steady employment and to be treated with respect. And we don’t want to have to demean our race or sex, or seek acceptance by dating outside our race. 

I’ve enjoyed out chat.  I can make my case about American racism by bringing to your attention a survey taken sometime in the last year:  when asked the question of whether the person would ever want to be a Black American – 100% said No. That says it all. This is 21st Century America. And we should just forget about slavery?

You are right. A democrat happened to be president at the time. I guess every other president before him was racist. Or he was in the right place at the right time. It really doesn’t matter. I’m glad people on both “sides” worked to make things better.

If you want to talk about the idea of what candidates put forward do/have done/promise to do for Black people, that’s a different and actually meaningful discussion. Black people do not have a debt to either party for trying to do at one poit

“conservatives have a bad habit of sitting on the shoulders of liberals and claiming to be giants..”
great line… :)

“conservatives have a bad habit of sitting on the shoulders of liberals and claiming to be giants..”
great line… :)

You are right. A democrat happened to be president at the time. I guess every other president before him was racist. Or he was in the right place at the right time. It really doesn’t matter. I’m glad people on both “sides” worked to make things better.

If you want to talk about the idea of what candidates put forward do/have done/promise to do for Black people, that’s a different and actually meaningful discussion. Black people do not have a debt to either party for trying to do at one point what always should have been done. Your vote should go to people based on what they are trying to do now and how it affects you.

I like Cain very much, which means you’ve lost your little ‘racism’ baseball bat.

He’s dedicated to the maintenance and advancement of white privilege and hegemony, so of course you like him…as long as he keeps playing that role.

Would you like to try declaring that O’Donnell is attacking Cain NOT because of race but because of ideology? Then we’ll say the same about OBAMO.

You’re admitting that you attack Obama because of race rather than ideology.

Kudos to Melissa Harris-Perry for at least saying she was uncomfortable with O’Donnell’s questions to a black man and wonders why he had to be questioned that way when a white man would not be.

That’s exactly what she doesn’t deserve kudos for. I was glad to see that Goldie Taylor wasn’t buying into that crap.

Would someone educate the Rev. Al that a far greater percentage of Republicans in both houses of congress backed and voted for both the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 than did Democrats?

That vote was along geographic and ideological lines. The Democrats who voted against it were Southern and conservative. Their no votes was a function of their conservatism.

Libs only like certain blacks and those are the ones that they feel they can munipulated

Damn, that’s some projection, lol.

 Obama, the man that has managed to screw them

Hold on- I thought the right-wing complaint was that he is doing too much for blacks. In fact, I know that was the standard right-wing complaint. It’s good to know you all no longer think that, LOL.

At least the middle one tactfully acknowledged Laurence’s culpability in the interview that made her squirm… i.e., that he never has asked white people the same question

She was basically saying that whites should never ask blacks those kinds of questions. Do you agree with that? Would you agree with that in the case of a conservative white interviewer and a black liberal interviewee?

Tell us of the brave elder Taylor who did so much more than Herman Cain, who listened to his father’s advise.

I have no idea what her father did back than, and I wouldn’t condemn him if he didn’t get involved. It wasn’t an easy thing to do. I don’t condemn Cain for not getting involved. I condemn him for sending out dogwhistles to white rightists, letting them know that the CRM had “no impact” on him, and letting them know that he he thought getting involved was “trouble”, and implying that those black people who did get involved were troublemakers. That makes him an obsequious asslicker.

“fox gives us the news”

THAT

IS

SOME

FUNNY

ASS

SHIOT!!!

LLOOLLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Clinton was a draft dodger who protested against the US involvement in Vietnam when he was studying in England (while on one of his many deferments). Hypocrite LOD never questioned Bill Clinton possibly being CIC. LOD was happy as a clam while Clinton was campaigning and during the eight years Clinton actually was CIC.

I dig your comment but please…the guys name is HERMAN not HERB! :-)

(Reason #99999999999999999999999999 why white people shouldn’t discuss racism)

Look at how ‘wake up america’ separates libs from black and latinos. It’s sorta like when newscasters describe people as whites, and blacks as blacks. 

So let’s take a poll. Do you think  ’wake up america’ and his ilk do this:

a) purposely
b) unintentionally

LOL. That flew right over his little head!

Please stop talking about black history. You’re f*cking it up.

“uncle tom” and ”mammy” are racist terms. 
Stop talking about racism. You can’t do it right.

“in house paid negro shills” is racist. 

Please refrain from speaking about racism. Your attempts are a major #fail.

I appreciate your points and so I’m definitely going to answer you as completely and seriously as possible. We definitely shouldn’t forget about slavery, but why do we have to let it define us? I was pretty much born and raised in the ghetto on welfare with crackhead parents and have lived in multiple places. I’ve encountered almost every form of racism against Blacks from what people usually consider harmless stereotypes to profiling, pretty much everything except actual violence. I’ve struggled to get jobs that I am very qualified for which instead hired 19 year old white people (that was the last time I ever answered the race question on a resume, by the way). Every white woman I meet where I live looks at me sexually and tries to turn that into me looking at her sexually, because apparently that’s just what Black men do. I once told a white supervisor who played football in college that I worked for at Nationwide Insurance during a conversation about football that I could have been a quarterback because I have a gun. He slowly backed out of my cubicle while looking around nervously. When I incredulously told him I wasn’t talking about a firearm, just saying that I could throw, he took a huge sigh of relief and said “Thank goodness!” At 32, I’m old enough to understand that my daily brushes with what white people wouldn’t even consider racist are depressingly normal for the experience for any Black male in America. I also agree with what you say about immigrant blacks. But you misunderstand if you think I was saying that we need to accept other cultures. What I am saying is that Blacks need to learn from what other minorities who came to America have done to find success. Mainly form a community that helps and supports its members and try to build businesses in our communities that serve our communities. If we want steady employment, we have to work towards employing ourselves. But first, we have to respect ourselves, and I don’t think that is currently something that the Black community places a premium on. And it’s not surprising, when the democrats are so eager to preach that we need to rely on them because we’ve got no hope on our own. I grew up in the Bronx, New York and was constantly exposed to Al Sharpton’s antics from early childhood. Everyone knows he’s nothing but an ambulance-chasing fraud. Yet, we allow him to be held up to America as a Black leader by whoever decides to pay for his lip service, and ostensibly speak on behalf of Black America. No one calls bullshit, but Bill Cosby gets crucified by almost every highly visible Black person when he says the Black community needs to better itself. I can’t think of anyone since MLK who’s done more for Black people in America than what Cosby did with just a couple of TV shows. If we want things to be better for ourselves, we can’t wait for the government to fix our schools and open doors for us through affirmative action. We need to educate our own children, open our own doors and do what we have to in order to create our own opportunities. It can be done, even against opposition from what seems like an overwhelming majority. And I acknowledge that it’s really hard. I haven’t managed to get a bank to give me a loan for my own business or saved up the money yet. But I do know I’ve worked for as many democrats as republicans and received the same exact treatment, so I’m not going to pin my future on either “side” making anything better for me. I just want them both to leave me alone to make my own way.

Why are you using someone who you agree with as a race qualifier? Why are you re-defining what it means to be black?

Why do white people call exposing racism – seeing racism?

O’Donnell is a racist pig and watching hi flail around for 20 minutes….living for that “gotcha’” moment is just pathetic.
He is all talking points without substance.

Sharpton never apologized for Lawrence. WTF are you talking about?

Nor did Lawrence murder thousands of Jews. WTF are you talking about?

Why did you call call Sharpton a pimp, and not a name that is isn’t commonly used to denigrate blacks? Why are you racist?

“plantation masters” is a white racist term.

Why did you use a white racist term?

Why are you attempting to redefine blackness? Why are you a racist?

Yeah…and you’re ugly.

I’m not going to stand up for O’Donnell, he can do that himself very well.  But I want to hear from you is your logical reasons to back such a claim.  I think it was based on ignorance and my quess is you hate O’Donnell no matter what view he takes.  What he said was valid and backed up by three other African Americans on the panal.  Now we want to hear if you have any legitimate reason for your comment, or if your just another idiot.

Write more slowly so liberals can understand you. Ha!

I’m not sure I get you.  What is a race qualifier?  I am not re-defining. I’m contextualizing: I believe the Black America’ experience is different than other Black-immigrant hyphenates.

“Cain vs. Unable” 2012! – Dennis Miller

That’s a common joke used by Democrats here, because that’s what Sarah Plain called Herman Cain (Herb) on a recent interview on Fox News!!   :o

That’s a common joke used by Democrats here, because that’s what Sarah Plain called Herman Cain (Herb) on a recent interview on Fox News!!   :o

…. ….

Ka-Blam!!

I don’t like a lot of white people. Does that make me racist? LOL. Who cares who you think is racist, anyway? You leftnut people are a joke. Do I care if I am a racist in your eyes? Hell no. Are you a punk? Yes.You’re a punk in my eyes, that’s all that matters to me. Your boy Barry is a racist and a punk. That’s all that matters to a lot of Americans and matters more each day. That’s funny.

You called Melissa, “the only Black on the panel.”

Why did you do that? What makes her the only black? What makes Sharpton and Goldie a non-black? Why are you attempting to divide the black race?

Why didn’t you answer the question? “Your boy Barry” is a white racist term. Why did you use a white racist term? Why are you racist?

“Plantation owner”, “‘obedient’ Blacks”, and “‘Masters’” are white racist terms. Why did you use white racist terms?

Surprise, surprise! You wouldn’t condemn anyone who supports Barry. Tell me more. That’s funny, too. Cain is twice the man Barry is. He’s put more black men to work than Barry has. Barry has cost more black men jobs, and you adore him. Sounds like the asslicker is yourself. And your buddies are ubiquitous, but that just gives you that much more ass to lick.

Because O’Donnell is white.

Barry is dedicated to the and advancement of black theology and the oligarchy he thinks he’ll be a part of with his plantation politics, so of course you like him. That’s his only role. He’s a one trick pony. Stir it up.

Cain is a man of accomplishments. 0bama hides his. No wonder his wife hates America.

Who care’s about your race card anymore? You’ve worn it out. I’ve been with the same black woman for 20 years and married for 16, I still get called racist. Try something else. Racist, clown.

Perhaps you misunderstood my phrasing. What I meant to say that Ms. Perry was the only Black on the panel to speak up to explain her discomfort.  

I can’t divide the Black race, when we are of so many different colors (and everybody sees us as “Black.”  But Blacks do have different experiences.  I care about my Black American experience as it is the most deprived.  One who is from Black American slavery is not the same as someone who comes from Caribbean or South African slavery. It is we who are of descendants of American black slaves that get the bum deal, so those are the ones I talk about.

Too bad we got the little half-black fake in the WH. He’s a punk who gives all blacks a bad name. He’s a liar, and a race-baiter. Too bad he’s going to find out that he is not above the law. Maybe Michelle will like America that much better with the likes of Barry off the streets doing time.

I don’t care about the ideology of the democrats who voted against the acts.

That’s not what Rev. Al said. He said blacks went with the democrat party because the democrat party supported the voting rights act and civil rights act. That is a lie or ignorance of history.

So you use white racist terms when ever you disagree with a liberal white person? Do you do this in public and have you considered getting help?

I concede immediately. I indeed DID misunderstand you!

Actually Barry is able to run an Enron. Or a Solyndra! LOL. Gotta love Dennis.

This is for atreyu.  Sadly, you will not get the business loan.  Get a West Indian business partner.  That’s the only way you’ll get it. 

And that black theology is all about black supremacy. Wow imagine that? Hey and Chinese are all about Chinese supremacy! Wow imagine that! You’re so deep, Cobra! People of color are practicing slavery to this day. American supremacy is all that matters. Barry has been consulting Michelle about that for too long.

The ultimate argument is Cain can run a business at a profit, 0bama runs America like Enron. End of story. We need a Cain supremacy! Jessie and Al would be put out to pasture. Amen.

O.K. Leedog, you are right, I knew SARAH said that and I had a feeling you knew  that too and was joking!  So we will let SARAH PLAIN and HERB CAIN continue to amuse us. L.O.L.

Lapdog hasn’t discovered how to break from the pack. Herb Cain (it’s fun to toss him his bone) took no offense, he beat LO to a pulp. Funny stuff, great to watch. That is why Larry had to go find the race hustler, Fifi, I mean Goldie Tyler. He knew he had a great lapdog in her.

=)

I see you have a admirer here!! Someone took the time to create a Discus account mocking your username!! How touching!! Though, I think it implied you act like a little baby!! Lol!!

I’m sure me and the person will become great friends!!  =) 

Then you’re putting words into my mouth, because I never said I agreed with that stance, and even said that others had moved beyond it.

The same people who have strict beliefs about private property also argue them against policies such as imminent domain and against environmental laws restricting uses of private property based upon a concern for indigenous plants, animals, and insects.

NONE of that has to do with race, however their over-riding concern about a person’s right to control their own property would butt up against laws concern equal access.

I may disagree with them,  but to turn them all into racists exhibits something more to do with political polemics than logic.

He’s doing a lot for blacks. He’s showing them that the man in the white house can cause 17% unemployment for blacks, and that the other black man, the one that is not a half-black man has put more blacks to work than 0bama has. One hides his accomplishments, and one will actually be able to run on them. LOL. One help build ballistic missiles, and one can’t even pronounce the name without stuttering. One’s wife loves America, and one cannot even name what we stand for.

O’Donnnell didn’t use those words, they came from Limbaugh,  What does that tell you about Rush, along with his love for consuming large quanities and his favorite drug, oxycontin.  At the volume he was using, it would kill most people, but he obvously had been taking them he had he built up a high tollerance.  People like him are expected to relapse about 2 times or more before they really can come clean, but not cured. He will be fighting this problem for the rest of their lives   

Good job Martin! Attacking a Black Man because he tried
to stay out of the cross hairs of the KKK and the Democratic party. How many
sticks of dynamite will you use this time?

But is he a wombshifter?

If an armed revolt is forced upon us citizens, Lawrence O’Donnell should be one of the first targets!

Please tell me…did Bill Clinton serve in the Armed Forces? Ah the answer would be no. Has Obama? That’s another no. Did any of the white guys at BSNBC ever ask these 2? LOL…another NO.

 And I wonder how these 3 black guests would react if Hannity or O’Reilly treated a black liberal candidate like Keith 2 did? But you can see how they turned on their “blackness” when it was a GOP black.

I’ve never listened to ODonnell.  What a complete weasel he is.  He was completely overwhelmed by Cain, but he edited out Cain’s best lines, and even changed Rush’s line to say that Obama runs the plantation, when in fact rush said that ODonnell does.  He spends half of this segment trying to cover his behind.  In order to get the whole picture you need to listen to both this and Rush’s segment.  What a complete weasel. I’ll never listen to ODonnell again.  Perhaps he should grow his hair, get some yogurt and fake some corn  rolls. 

I really like Cain.  After listening to these liberal pukes I realize that if we don’t nominate Cain they will call us racists.  If we do nominate Cain they will call us and Cain racists.  I say that we should nominate Cain and call their bluff.  He is twice the black man Obama is, and most blacks will also realize that.  Cain will hand Obama his ass with a big smile. 

Because it’s not a “white racist term”, Big Momma Horizons.

If it makes you feel better, we’ll go with the liberal Beltway-approved PC term: “serious people”.

When you respect others, you respect yourself. Remember who taught you that and I won’t have to open a can of whoop ass… on your ass. You understand?

Lol, I already figured that out and decided to just save up. Better to not have the debt hanging over my head anyway.

She was basically saying what she ACTUALLY said: white candidates should be asked the same question, if it really is to be considered a relevant question. After all, whites participating in the Civil Rights Movement had considerably less to fear than Blacks.

LMAO I always thought Lawrence looked like Niles Crane

Remember Lawrence was quoting from Cain’s book so Cain brought that on himself IMO. He wrote about sitting on the back of the bus

How do you know Lawrence’s parents paid for his education, and even so, what is wrong with that?

as a dark skinned black man I have made an observation over the years… the lighter a black man or woman skin is, the more sensitive and intolerant they are with questions dealing with ANY race related issues, especially when put forward by a white man or woman… I’m not saying I get it because my skin dark, what I am saying is that Melissa Harris Perry always seem to feel uncomfortable when a white person talks about anything black related… His interview was fine, in fact I feel he should have jumped all over him instead of letting him get away with some of his answers, truth is,  if he would of went any further,(as a white man) Miss Harris would have exploded… it works both ways. Get over it already.

O’Donnell’s seething disdain of Cain is utterly clear, because he’s not the right KIND of ‘black’ for his tastes. I can call that racism in the same way that you LEFTISTS like to shriek that disdain for OBAMO is somehow racially motivated. No one can point at me as being racist without also pointing to people like O’Donnell as being racist, too.

Heresy. No one at the network dare go against Obama (well outside  of token conservatives Buchanan and Scarborough).

What he said was “blacks with a closed mind towards one party are brainwashed”. I’d call that an accurate assessment, regardless of color.

You must be incredibly uncomfortable with Obama. 

Respectfully, that is fascinating observation!  In fact, there is/are the makings of research, an article, chapter in a book, etc., with your assertion…

Have you ever read “SOUL ON ICE” by Eldridge Cleaver?  Cleaver was an original member of the Black Panthers and while in Prison, wrote a unique book on race relations, etc.  Part of which was on Black men and White women.  I still have a copy of the rare book, hence, I think there might be something within that might stimulate your academic juices and further your observation? 

As if you don’t already have enough on plate? (LOL)

Lastly, and very simply, you are suggesting that YOU have a degree of “self confidence” that others lack.  WHY?  You are proffering sociological and even psychological possibilities that go beyond, merely, your own personal genetic make up?   Well done….Sincerely. 

Purveyor of Rhetoric 

Respectfully, one does not go on national television to discuss race issues over and over again and fear reprisals. Personally, I think her demeanor is somewhat “staged,” or forced, to show that she is “thinking” about the topic, with objectivity.  Were she to come out at an emotional level, she would not be considered an honest broker of the subject. I am light-skinned and do not fear any reprisals for speaking up.  I come from a typical Black American family of siblings with all shades, including dark; we have always been taught to speak up and be proud of our heritage.  Rosa Parks was light. Thurgood Marshall was light, Senator Brooks, even Malcom X, so that theory can be debunked with numerous examples.  If anything, like Dubois said, the mulatto would lead the Black Americans.  And that’s exactly what we have in this country, which is why so many dark-skinned men flock to White women.  It is as much for safety as for love, in my opinion.  I had a boyfriend who “bragged” that if we had kids they’d be very fair-skinned.  I dumped him and now I’m childless.  I still did the right thing. 

It was the black civil rights movement. That’s one thing. But, O’Donnell didn’t ask him those questions just because he’s black and is old enough to have been around in those days. He was prompted to bring it up because in his book, Cain was evasive about his reasons for not participating. He said he wasn’t old enough to participate when he was, and sent out dogwhistles to assure white rightists that he wasn’t one of those troublemakers. He said it had “no impact” on him, and he “stayed out of trouble”, giving the impression that not only was getting involved “trouble”, but that people who did get involved were troublemakers. O’Donnell asking him what would have happened if Rosa Parks took his father’s advice was probably a bit over the top, but in the context of what Cain wrote in the book, it’s understandable. He clearly said that by not getting involved, he was “doing what I was supposed to do”.

To get back to what Harris-Perry said, she doesn’t think participation in the civil rights movement should be a litmus test specifically for black politicians of a certain age, but doesn’t seem to have a problem with questioning politicians about their military service. I don’t think either thing should be a litmus test. However, in the circumstance where a politician is a jingoist militarist, but hasn’t served him/her self, I don’t see anything wrong with asking questions. By the same token, in the circumstance where a black politician of a certain age didn’t participate in the movement, but enjoyed all the benefits of it, and has aligned him/herself with the ideological progeny of the people who were against black civil rights (and in some cases, people who were around at the time, and opposed to it) I don’t see anything wrong with asking questions about it. I also don’t care about the race of the person asking the questions. 

How many Southern Republicans voted for it? Look it up. “Many conservative Republicans voted for the the acts”? You know that for a fact? The people who push this meme are always careful to avoid looking at ideology, and stay tightly focused on party affiliation. Of course, they do this because today, Republican=”conservative” and Democrat=”liberal” in people’s minds. They what you to believe that those segregationist Southern Democrats were liberals, not conservatives, and that the 2011 Democratic party is exactly the same as the 1961 Democratic party. In other words, they want you to believe that John Lewis is exactly like Strom Thurmond. Talk about brainwashing, LOL.

Sharpton would laugh at. For one thing, Sharpton really was too young to be involved, unlike Cain, secondly, he obviously did did get involved in civil rights work later on. That’s a silly thing to say. By the way, Jesse Jackson, who actually worked closely with MLK, and is just a few years older than Cain, would laugh at him, too.

Who cares whether it was the Black Civil Rights movement or for some other race? Doing what’s right shouldn’t change for race and shouldn’t be applicable to different races. Have you read Cain’s book or are you just going off of what O’Donnell and others have said about it? Maybe you shouldn’t attempt to characterize something based on what someone else said. Media of any stripe are far from trustworthy these days. And has it occurred to you that the dogwhistle you are hearing is one sent out to assure leftists that a particular black person should be ostracized for not toeing the party line?

What free stuff? Social Security and Medicare?

Who is “we”?

“we” is liberals… who believe we are holier than thou because we believe a certain way… that gives no one the right to treat someone with disrespect….

 but it’s time for Black people to start considering the real implications of actions like these and the consequences for the Black community.

I agree, but probably not in a way that you’d want me to. We went down this same road with Clarence Thomas- defending a black person just because we saw a white man asking him hard questions. One would think that we learned a lesson from that episode. I guess some of us haven’t.

find me on Twitter… I want to stay in touch…

Who cares whether it was the Black Civil Rights movement or for some
other race? Doing what’s right shouldn’t change for race and shouldn’t
be applicable to different races. Have you read Cain’s book or are you
just going off of what O’Donnell and others have said about it? Maybe
you shouldn’t attempt to characterize something based on what someone
else said. Media of any stripe are far from trustworthy these days. And
has it occurred to you that the dogwhistle you are hearing is one sent
out to assure leftists that a particular black person should be
ostracized for not toeing the party line? It seems like a real reach to get to your claims that this is code to let white people know he’s not “one of those Blacks who will start trouble”, especially since you haven’t read his book. That doesn’t mean that you’re not right that there are certainly white people who will read that into it.

I don’t know what being a jingoist militarist means, so I won’t speak to that without clarification. I do agree with everything you said in the paragraph up to that point. I do think you’re ignoring the fact that there are so many Blacks who didn’t actively participate in the movement yet benefited from it. I don’t think it’s wrong that some people chose not to endanger their lives any more than they already were just by being a Black person in that day and age. I’m also not so ideologically clear on the motivations of the white people in power who were FOR the civil rights act, especially if they were the same people for the Blackitization (I think I’ll patent that  word) of welfare and the use of it to trap Blacks in the ghettos created as what I view as more or less Black reservations which has does as much harm to the spirit of the Black community and is destroying it as surely as reservations have done for the Native Americans.

I guess you’d have to show me all those Black people who defended Clarence Thomas. By and large he has always been reviled by the Black community and considered an Uncle Tom by Blacks.

All this hot air when we all know when it gets right down to it the republican party ain’t gonna nominate herb. Not now, not ever. They’re just grasping at straws because they’re stuck with the the cult guy.
“if Chris Christie doesn’t run, we’ll nominate Romney and we’ll lose” – Ann Coulter. Might as well dust off the whitewater crap now because it’s Hillary in 2016.

Yes, he’s now reviled by most of the black community, and rightly so. But during his confirmation hearings, when most didn’t know that much about him and his views, a lot of black people took his side over Anita Hill’s, and were angry at him being challenged in general. I think that if we were as opposed to him then as we generally are now, that opposition could have helped to prevent him from being confirmed.

 Have you read Cain’s book or are you 
just going off of what O’Donnell and others have said about it?

O’Donnell read from the text of the book, and Cain didn’t deny that he read the text accurately.

Doing what’s right shouldn’t change for race and shouldn’t 
be applicable to different races. 
Not really, but you’re still missing the context- who he came to ally himself with. To the extent that there are attempts to roll back the gains of the movement, they’re coming from his compatriots.

I’m also not so ideologically clear on the motivations of the white people in power who were FOR the civil rights act,

Well, a lot of the people who were for it were moderates- it wasn’t just liberals. And the people who were for the expansion of welfare were for it tended to be for it on general terms- not just for black people. And to the extent that black people have become “trapped in ghettos”, I think you’re overstate the influence of “welfare” on that- especially when you do it the better part of 20 years after welfare reform was implemented. You can’t really call it the “Blackitization” of welfare when the majority of the recipients have always been white.

 It seems like a real reach to get to your claims that this is code to let white people know he’s not “one of those Blacks who will start trouble”,

He said he was “doing what he was supposed to be doing”, implying that participating in the civil rights movement was something that one wasn’t supposed to be doing. Of course, that’s a dogwhistle. He knows his audience.

Someone needs to tell Cain that he doesn’t have the right to treat people with disrespect. I remember O’Donnell getting into a similar tete-a-tete with Pat Buchanan. It wasn’t that long ago. I don’t remember any liberals complaining that O’Donnell went too hard on him. Both Buchanan and Cain are hard rightists. Why should Cain’s blackness exempt him from liberals considering him to be just as as much of an opponent as Pat Buchanan?

yup

So Momma Grizzly says
So it is

Hey, remember the Fox panels as Judge Napolitano and Ann Coulter lie and speak racially divisive words?  Of yeah, neither do I. GOP and its mouthpiece Fox “News” is as racially divisive as it gets and would NEVER have anyone on who might challenge anything they say. Yeah, Lawrence, for allowing alternate viewpoints. 

Respectfully?  “Oh please excuse me mister black man for noting that your skin is different from my own.”

White liberals are ashamed of their race.  We haven’t had slavery for 150 years.  Get over it.  The sooner we see each other as people as opposed to colors of people we will begin to grow as a society.

Fantastic line:).

Yeah, I can imagine someone saying “Bill Clinton, since you were against the Vietnam War, why didn’t you go fight?”. Yep, that makes a lot of sense, lol.

‘Jason replied to youOh look, your fellow marxist friend “liked” your inane, whiny screed. Boo Hoo, the poor mooslims!! :((( everyone picks on the poor misunderstood idiot mooslims:((( Piss off, crybaby.’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/staying-classy-martin-bashir-exploits-steve-jobs-death-to-slam-sarah-palin/#comment-328378859

At it again so soon Jason?

Jason the Perfect Example of Tea Party/Republican Bigotry why am I not surprised. Denial after denial, which is soon closely followed by example after example and then so many clicking their wanton approval.

Herman Cain is nothing but a Poster Boy, but its fooling no one. I’m only surprised he can keep a straight face while defending them.

As a Black liberal, I’m of the position that any and all Black conservatives should be criticized, but not about things about which O’Donnell doesn’t address with other White conservatives.  What right does O’Donnell, a White man, have to pass judgment on Cain during the civil rights movement? Was O’Donnell trying to stop the riots in Boston when they implementing busing to promote integration in Schools? 

Asking a question is fine, but his attempts to vilify Cain were a bit much.  Cain had a right to ask him if he needed better writers.  O’Donnell’s questions were not very probing, and seemed kind of “desperate.”  I do not like Cain, in the least, but I still think he was treated with disrespect.  O’Donnell’s smugness was a bit too patriarchal to me, as if he has the right to tell a Black person how to fight his or her battles.  And as for Buchanan, he’s an MSNBC commentator whom everybody understands to be the conservative spokesperson that everybody loves to hate.  All of those people on MSNBC are friends, colleagues, and coworkers.  Just like Al Sharpton and Newt Gingrich.  

That’s a good thing that conservatives and liberals can find common ground, but it is not for O’Donnell to attempt to judge — how a Black person living in the South handled the civil rights movement? I think it’s perfectly okay that he stayed out, if he was too afraid. Has he benefited from the struggles of those who fought for civil rights?  Yes.  But it is his conscience that he has to live with… and we get to vote for or against him.  O’Donnell’s questions were overall, legit, but his delivery was sickening, which is why I don’t watch his show anymore.  

Black America, because Blacks don’t want ANY black to be shown disrespect, however outlandish they may appear to be–even Thomas. 

I doubt that you believe that all black people are incapable of doing and saying things that are worthy of disrespect, so you must have another reason for believing that black people should never be shown disrespect. What is it? 

I can’t take credit for it–I was highlighting it for the same reason you were… it is a great line.  I was repeating what someone had written in his post. It may have been BHorizon or atreyue.  

It’s neither, Plantsmantx…. no one should be shown disrespect–Period.  That’s what I believe.  I’m particularly sensitive about Blacks because we face ridicule and disrespect merely by being Black. People dislike Black people for different and sundry reasons–they were dragging us in trucks a decade ago (yes, the guy was executed–equal opportunity executions).  In this country there are people stupid enough to act on someone’s hatred. Nobody should be disrespected. Black, white yellow, purple…

Ah the resident racist chimes in.  What’s Whitey done to keep you down today, Cobra?

Cobra, if you hate America so much, might I suggest moving somewhere else? 

Some people are always going to dislike black people for various and sundry reason, and not treating someone who has earned disrespect…or scorn…accordingly isn’t going to change that. The irony here is that you’re making that argument in defense of someone who is actively feeding, reinforcing, and lending “validation” to the attitudes of those people who dislike, ridicule, and disrespect blacks for whatever reason. That said, I don’t see what O’Donnell did as disrespect, any more than I saw his run in with Pat Buchanan as disrespect. It was disagreement. There is no reason for me to consider Cain any less of an opponent that Pat Buchanan. If he behaves like an opponent, then he is one, and his blackness doesn’t exempt him from that.

Go listen to the original Cain — O’Donnell interview on MSNBC; O’Donnell asks Cain how can he presume to be a C in Chief when he failed to fight in Viet Nam.  Few, if anyone on MSNBC or the rest of the left, would ever ask that same question to Clinton.  How can it be a possible disqualification for Cain, according to O’Donnell, when it posed no barrier for Clinton?

Again, check out the original interview, not just the MSNBC four-way “love fest” above.

Hey, have you noticed that tbag has disappeared ever since WBD showed up??? I think you and lapdog are cute together, though! Yap-yap, whhaaaaa!

You’re ignoring the context. Lawrence O’Donnell doesn’t think one had to have been a soldier to be CiC. Liberals frequently point out that some conservatives who are gung-ho militarists didn’t go to war themselves when they had the opportunity to do so. It’s about the hypocrisy, and it’s a valid point to bring up. O’Donnell phrased that question in the way he did because he was playing tit-for-tat. He was mirroring, or parodying conservatives who make the same charges against liberals. No, O’Donnell probably wouldn’t ask Clinton that same question, and if he did, it would probably be in the form of “How do you answer conservatives who say…?”. He probably wouldn’t ask him that question because he knows Clinton was opposed to the war.

Ilene,
So you believe that it is appropriate for a white man to question the racial credibility of a black man?  Did Lawrence walk a mile in Herman Cain’s shoes?  Was Herman Cain ashamed that as a young man he didn’t march in Selma?  Just like Brian Williams trying to find shame in Dubya’s have a patrician upbringing? 

This is all the fraud of a frightened liberal movement that will do anything to avoid the fault in their thinking. 

I believe there are way more black people who are proud Americans like Herman Cain than there are weakling racists seeking white guilt and the entitlement of victimization. 

So you believe that it is appropriate for a white man to question the racial credibility of a black man?

Hmm…

He is twice the black man Obama is, and most blacks will also realize that.

That’s you questioning the “racial credibility” of a black man, on this very thread.

O’Donnell would not have called his favorite Blacks on his show to wax eloquent about what a good host he was, unless it caused a stir.  Others didn’t care.  I agree with atreyue about Democrats who get smug in their political correctness, so much so that they think they have the right to wear the mantle of protest on our behalves. O’Donnell just confirmed to me that my choice in not watching his show was a good one. 

If you don’t think white people have the right to “wear the mantle of protest on our behalves”, then you must also think that whites shouldn’t have participated in the civil rights movement, or that whites today shouldn’t ever speak out against anti-black racism.

I think the collective is important, but the civil rights mantle was carried by Whites who were trying to reason with other Whites, not Blacks.  I think O’Donnell has the right, as a journalist, to ask whatever question he wants, but I don’t think it was “his case to make,” that Cain should have been more active in the civil rights movement. 

I don’t think he was making the case that he should have been more active. He was prompted to ask those questions by Cain’s evasiveness on the matter in his book. 

but the civil rights mantle was carried by Whites who were trying to reason with other Whites, not Blacks.

And O’Donnell asked those questions because he was trying to reason with other blacks? I don’t think so. 

The strange thing about this is that the black people who take this tack  of saying “You can’t say this to a black person” are in effect demanding to be patronized.

Tone is everything.  I watched Candy Crowley (sp) interview Cain today on CNN.  She had some probing questions, but did it with dignity.  That’s all anyone wants.  Black, White Purple.  You lose your ability to be a “journalist” when you become part of the issue. O’Donnell became part of the story. That doesn’t help anyone.  In fact, it hurts.  O’Donnell meant well, politically, as he is “on the right side,” but he actually created a situation where people rejected him, not his subject. 

Apparently, philosophical discourse is beyond your critical thinking parameters?  How on earth you could possibly misconstrue SIGH’s and my response in what ever way you did, is beyond me?  How did you conclude my reference to Cleavers book, when you undoubtedly, never heard of it?  Also, Did you actually consider what SIGH was saying?

Both of SIGH and I were putting in another piece of the “why can’t African Americans succeed, (“Tell Right from Wrong” and “Read and Write,” which are books by William Kilpatrick) puzzle, without overt racism as an excuse!  Yet somehow you went off on a bitter tangent which makes me question your intent, motives and goals?

As for slavery being gone by 150 years, I know that I can make a very good case that a form of Slavery exists today in the farms and fields of California and certainly existed in the Colorado and Virginia mines whereby the company stores kept the workers impoverished.  Oh yes, slavery is still out there, don’t forget the plantation owners fed and clothed their slaves, just like the textile workers in the Philippines today! (And we take advantage of such!)

One more thing, I am a member of the National Tea Party and probably more Conservative than you,Philippines as I am more rational.

The Purveyor of Rhetoric

I love Mr. O’Donnell.  We need his kind of voice after all what we have learned from the Tea Baggers, is enough to make one absolutely s i c k!

When you say that black people shouldn’t be asked those questions by whites, you’re rejecting the subject. “Tone”? Everything you’ve said up to know suggested that you believe Cain was “disrespected” simply because O’Donnell asked the questions- not because of his tone while asking them.

Yup, and tell me, what is the unemployment level for blacks these days? Or the marriage rate? Or the childless father rate? Man, those Democrat vote sure have done wonders in the black community. Poor Bill Cosby tries to erect some truth and accountability and ge’s basically called a traitor to his race. Look at Justice Thomas and now Herman Cain. The are real American success stories and aren’t whining about how hard it is to get to their level of achievement, now are they? Oh no. For far too many black, led by those masters of race baiting Sharpton and Jackson, it’s easier to just accept the lies that you’re an eternal victim. Then all you have to do is
stick your hand out and get your scraps from the government. I’z just git mine from da man. I ain’t ax’in no mo’. Gives me some o dat cash yo. you know what I’m sayin’?

Oh, and I typed this on the iPad which is unforgiving on spelling errors so yes, I see errors above in my post. Get over it.

I beg to differ with you.  Go back to my original rant and you’ll see that I was disgusted by the self-righteous way O’Donnell asked his question, and his smugness to think that he was doing something to “catch” Cain.  He can ask what he wants… it was his attempt to try to trap him and pursue a line of questioning that just helped him look obnoxious.  I truly believe that everyone has a right to be heard, and they’ll hoist themselves on their own pitard if you ask the right questions…. not somehow congratulate yourself for “putting someone down.”  Rachel Maddow stopped doing it–interviewing those she abhors… and trying to make them look small–no matter the liberal, it never comes out right and they end up looking like a jerk. First it was Orly Taitz, now Herman Cain–who’s next?  I’d like to see O’Donnell do his schtick with someone like Ralph Nader, then, and only then will I think O’Donnell is an equal opportunity jerk.

Cain is a joke. He is not and never was Tea party, he supported tarp and does not want to audit the fed. He has now pulled the race card, which is pathetic. He is a empty suit, but he speaks great. I remember us electing another fire rhetoric guy who has never governed anything. We see where that got us. This Cain guy is a joke.

 I’d like to see O’Donnell do his schtick with someone like Ralph Nader

Well, here’s the thing- people on forums like this suddenly started calling his a “socialist”. You know why? He claimed to be one during a back and forth with Glenn Greenwald. So, he has done what you call his schtick with people who aren’t conservative.

You’re a racist.  Your assumption that a Black man “shuffled” to the sidelines is proof.

“TMP” 

I’m not so knowledgeable about Greenwald, so, it would impress me more if he treated someone with a national platform like Nader, or Paul Krugman, or Milton Friedman, someone with some intellectual chops–and see if he would treat them the same way.  He wouldn’t:  he bullies only those he disrespects. Cain is no idiot; he’s a bit off the beaten track.  He comes from a business background–I’ll give him that much. Honestly, I’d rather discuss the new Pan Am series, honestly.  I don’t care about McDonnell. And if you do so much, if you’re married, your wife or husband should start getting nervous…. your title also suggests you could be a shill for MSNBC. :/

Pardon me Purveyor, but your insulting and accusatory tone sounds very liberal.  And your equating low income jobs with slavery sounds very union.

The slaves we have in this country are of a segment of black society that has never lost its fear and hatred of “Massa”.  Liberals take advantage of that by feeding fear on the one hand and an addiction to entitlements on the other.

No, I’ve never read Cleaver’s book, but I have read Harriet Beecher Stowe.  Studying the black dialect of Uncle Tom’s Cabin, I find it truly amazing that after 160 years, large segments of Black America have not integrated into our “Great Melting Pot”.  They speak the same exact language transcribed by Stowe in 1850, with MF additions for emphasis. They live in a parallel society because liberals want them there.

Black people in this county have more opportunity than any other ethnic group because everyone, other than liberals, wants that group to succeed.  A black person who speaks and reads English can get a job faster than any other candidate, welcomed with open arms.  But a black person who doesn’t speak English and is afraid of Massa’s whip will soon find a way to fail and return to the parallel society.

The problem is that liberals and Democrats like blacks to be just as they are.  Dependent and dumb, voting as they are told.  Guys like Herman Cain are a huge threat to the Status Quo.  Herman could be the great leader who frees the slaves in America.

I had hoped that Obama would help Black America join our society, but we now know that Michelle, Barack’s primary influence, really hates Massa.

Larry ODonnell is just another spineless slave master.

“Beware when pursuing the monster, lest he become you”

                              Nietzsche

Sadly, what I perceive as strong mind, (yours) is teetering on the same deep abyss of self righteousness, as those whom you “pursue.”  Your own rhetoric consumes you to the point where only hear one voice, your own, hence, you tend to miss subtleties and variations to the schema.

What was “slavery,” but, a very low paying job?  (Such is NOT meant to minimize, rather, to make a point)  In our Nation and around the world there are plenty of “low paying jobs,” wouldn’t you as a Capitalist, Conservative like to improve on such?  Or, do YOU need “slaves” to complete your business employment model?

Quote: “Pardon me Purveyor, but your insulting and accusatory tone sounds very liberal.”  As if all members of the political right, are pure as the driven snow?  Moreover, YOUR first response to me, at the very least, was “accusatory?”

It occurs to me that your rhetoric is almost reverse Pol Pot, Communist orthodoxy.  You use catch phrases such as “Massa,” “status quo” and “spineless slave master.”  Do you raise a clenched fist when writing such?  Do you wear a red kerchief or shemagh, perhaps, a blue one?

Anyway, quite simply, I don’t trust you, as you are possessed of too many inconsistencies.  However, I will keep an eye on your progress.

The Purveyor of Rhetoric

One man’s light is another man’s dark?  As far as I am concerned, Obama is White.  Furthermore, why do people assign a genetic superiority to Black genes, even when such is 50/50?

Why is that a man who is 1/8th American Indian, can enroll in a tribe and claim that small amount of blood dominates his soul above all else?Reminds me of rhetoric I read once, “mongrels” and “mud people.”  Hmm

Purveyor

Hmm..? not sure what your point is purveyor1.

2YSUR2YSUB, nIce to make your acquaintance,

Purely and only philosophical musings.  Questions related to race and sociology that have aroused my mind over the years.Your’s and SINGH’s comments inspired me to bring these thoughts out into the daylight, maybe you could consider or comment?

 Why is Obama viewed as Black? Why could one of my Professor’s claim tribal membership when he is only 1/6th Indian?  They are are just inconsistencies and tend not to like inconsistencies!  LOL   Thats all…

Remember Ward Churchill, the pseudo Professor from CU in Colorado, who was fired?  He claimed tribal membership so he could “cool” in the revolutionary chic, of the day?  Ouch!Please, take no offense, I was just sharing thoughts as that is what some philosopher’s do…Purveyor

I’ll come back to it, after I get some sleep.  I don’t think I have ever had so long a day of communicating online.  But the dialogue is important, and as you can tell, I welcome it. I shall return tomorrow–well, actually later today! :)

Tommy,

I’ve re-read your comment and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, “respectfully.” In fact, I agree with you and find some of your points presented in a unique manner. I just don’t and cannot know what motivates you and, unfortunately, there SEEMS to be a hint of racism in your comment?

BUT, as I said, in retrospect, “I want to give you the benefit of the doubt” as there is enough substance in your letter to chew on, so to speak. Anyway, aside from some curious imagery, I find your phrase, “parallel society” compelling. Also, your dichotomy between “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” and contemporary Black dialect? And so on…

I mentioned a book I used on some research re, the Brown v. Board of Education case: “Why Johnny Can’t Tell Right from Wrong,” By William Kilpatrick. Also, you might Googol, Jonathan Kozol as he has written on the subject also. Both of these men and their thesis’ support your assertions. Why indeed, has Black America not excelled, or, seen generational improvements with the advantages they have/had??

My counter-assertion is that African American’s were handed the Plessy v. Ferguson case, which was a massive fraud, thus Blacks did NOT have “separate but equal,” and still don’t. However, I agree with you and Mr. Cain, America is well past the hyperbolic excuses that continue to be made by the Sharpton’s of the world…

Anyway, this is as close to an apology as I can come to, considering my reservations. However, a degree of reconciliation is offered.

Purveyor

To borrow a favorite liberal term.  Purveyor, you are skillful, yet “insidious” liberal.  I’ll keep my eyes on you too.

Love and Kisses TT

It’s not really about O’Donnell. It’s about the sad spectacle of some black people who are so racially insecure that they demand that black people be patronized to the point where they’re sticking up for a black white supremacist. 

If you’re a Black man (or woman), I applaud you for your courage.  If you’re not a Black person, then, you have no right to judge.  Walk in our skin.  Disrespect of a Black person is disrespect for all of us–that’s how Obama got elected.  I was pro-Hillary until all the BS about his Muslim background and all that came out–and Hillary attempted to smear him.  What are you gonna do–side with the racists? We haven’t evolved that far–do you see how white people disrespect the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?!!! Including Democrats? RACE WILL NEVER DISAPPEAR.  Not in my lifetime.  Post-racial America == New racist America.  So, talk to your brethren, whatever color you may be–but don’t preach to us. 

Maybe, instead of looking at Black people, ask yourself–why should White people be so spiteful and mean in the first place? I see how White men treat each other–and I’ll take my lumps and be Black any day of the week than put up with their nonsense.

I’m a black man. I’ve been one for what is getting to be a little while now.

 Disrespect of a Black person is disrespect for all of us

No, it’s not. The situations with Obama and Cain aren’t comparable, and I say that as someone who isn’t exactly Obama’s biggest fan, either. One man is a neoliberal, but is at least a centrist, more or less, while the other is a full-on John Birch Society-style far rightist, not to mention a black man whose specialty is reinforcing and validating the racist tropes of the white right. I don’t see righteous disdain for Cain and people like him as disrespecting all of us. Not at all. I see Cain actively encouraging disrespect of all of us for his own gain, and someone like that doesn’t deserve our support.

What are you gonna do–side with the racists?

You should be asking that question of Cain.

do you see how white people disrespect the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?!!! Including Democrats?

Which white people, and including which Democrats? Yes, he’s been disrespected on the basis of race by the right, and by some Democrats who were hellbent of having Clinton as President, but if you’re talking about white liberals who criticize Obama, I think they’re mostly people whose political convictions didn’t change because a black man was elected President, or because a Democrat was elected President. When I see them calling Obama a Muslim, Black liberation theology adherent, and the antichrist, then I will agree with you. Some of them criticize him pretty harshly, but they criticized Bush just as harshly. I don’t agree with the content of all their criticism (and some of it I do agree with), but I don’t feel as if their criticism of them is criticism of me, and I don’t believe it’s race-based, generally speaking. I can observe them criticizing Obama for doing some of the same thing Bush did, and retain enough perspective to understand it for what it is. I’m secure enough in my blackness to do that.

No, “race”, or more accurately, racism and racial discrimination will never disappear, and in fact, I’m not yearning for a “post-racial” America at all. A “post-racial” America is one in which we no longer exist as a distinct people, and that’s certainly not something I want to see happen. I want us to remain a distinct people, and be a success…as a people. Really, a “post-racial” America would be one in which we would brainwash ourselves into not seeing ourselves as a distinct people, while some others would pretend that they see us the same way, and get away with practicing discrimination with even more impunity. They’d claim that because “black” no longer exists, there is no longer any such thing as anti-black discrimination.

Every culture that has become part of American society has succeeded by doing just that.  As an example, I was recently in a small Kansas town and needed a motel room.  I came to the front desk of a small motel and found what I was sure was an  East Indian young lady.  She was an American high school girl.  I asked if she was in-fact Indian.  She told me her family was from Hyderabad, which was one of the place I used to regularly visit.  So she introduced me to her dad and we had a nice conversation, plus I was able to have some very nice green curry for supper.  Children of Vietnamese immigrants are now just kid, succeeding in society.  How many Texas kids of Mexican ancestry don’t sound a bit Hispanic?

So, why do you and so many blacks shun the American culture?  Why do you insult in racist terms those of your people who have decided to become part of our culture?  Is Bill Cosby a racist?

One who seeks success in this culture must earn it by his own efforts.  LBJ’s “Great Society”, with its soul killing try at wealth redistribution, conjured by racist labor unions, is akin to genocide.   Black America is rotting and no amount of wealth redistribution will change that. Black America needs to grow itself out of the pit that LBJ and Unions created.

Obama wouldn’t do it.  He’s only interested in his own unearned wealth.

Guys like Cain and Allen West are the kind of examples young black kids need.

If you want multiculturalism go to Europe.  It’s not working there either.

We’re not shunning the American culture. We are an American culture. It’s ironic that you make that charge just after you talked about having “a nice green curry” for supper. Children of Vietnamese are not “just kids”- they’re Vietnamese Americans. If that wasn’t the case, there would be no “Little Saigon”. The same goes for other ethnic groups. No matter how dissovled they may seem to you, they’re part of distinct peoples.

Texas kids of Mexican ancestry don’t sound a bit Hispanic?

Being a Texan, I know there are quite a few. I also know that they’re generally still part of a Hispanic community. You’re missing the point, and you’re doing it in a way that preserves your prejudices. It’s not about how any one individual “sounds”.

Is Bill Cosby a racist?

Now, talk about irony. Bill Cosby is one of the few truly prominent black people in this country who is pretty close to being a classic black nationalist. People like you focus on harsh, punitive remarks he made about six years ago, and think that makes him a black political conservative…a Herman Cain style black conservative. It’s telling. I haven’t searched for these quotes for a while, but I think it’s time to do it again:

When Cosby came to St. Paul Church in Detroit, one local judge got up and urged Cosby and other black celebrities to donate more money to advance the cause. “I didn’t fly out here to write a check,” Cosby retorted. “I’m not writing a check in Houston, Detroit, or Philadelphia. Leave these athletes alone. All you know is Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson. Forget about a check … This is how we lost to the white man. ‘Judge said Bill Cosby is gonna write a check, but until then … ’”.

Cosby definitely sees himself as a member of a distinct people, and in case you didn’t know it, self-criticism is a standard part of black nationalism. In fact, it’s still a standard part of being black.

Here’s Cosby on the Larry King show back in 2007:

KING: Judge Clarence Thomas, the conservative black judge on the United States Supreme Court, Bill, says that he went conservative because he thinks that the black responsibility is to himself. He doesn’t need any help. He doesn’t want any help. He doesn’t need that pick me up.

COSBY: Well, that’s not — yes, see partially is where you get into trouble if you’re trying to put me in the room with Clarence Thomas, the brother lite.
He goes on to say:

KING: And you recently have spoken out a lot about the responsibility of those people for taking responsibility for themselves, as opposed to blaming it on the society that they were born into.

What I have said is that if we strengthen ourselves with the same tools that every successful group of people have used, then we will succeed.
Yes, there’s self-criticism there, but when Cosby refers to those social pathologies, He doesn’t see that collection of social pathologies as comprising black culture. And, as you see, he doesn’t disavow racism or try to claim that it never holds anyone back. His message is that it’s necessary for us to push off these pathologies in order to make ourselves as strong as possible to, among other things, fight against racism more effectively…as a distinct people.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/18/lkl.01.html

But really- with everything I’ve typed and pasted here, I doubt that you will even begin to understand.And…there’s nothing I can do about that. This is more of an instance of me talking through you to other people who might not be afraid to understand.

One more thing- just in case you come back with “blacks hate Cosby because…”. Let me show you this from a 2007 Pew poll:

Three-quarters of blacks (76%) say that Obama is a good influence on the black community. Even greater numbers say this about Oprah Winfrey (87%) and Bill Cosby (85%), who are the most highly regarded by blacks from among 14 black newsmakers tested in this survey. By contrast, just 17% of blacks say that rap artist 50 Cent is a good influence.

Wow, a cut and paste transcript of a Larry King show.  That’s valuable.

In 2007 I also believed that Obama could be a good influence on the black community.  The only black community Obama influenced well was a group of 4 people living in the White House residence.

I am in Texas often.  Have you been to DC lately?  DC used to be a pretty friendly place, especially on weekends.  Now, the tone is, “Get out-a my way Whitie, we in charge now.”  Riding on the Metro, the majority have Metro passes with laminated Obama pictures on lanyards.  It is ugly in DC now, but with what was promised as opposed to what was delivered, when Obama is voted out of office, the black on white hatred that has festered in that city is going to be a very ugly thing.

Your demand to have separate cultures with separate languages is an idea bound to failure.

Young Vietnamese and Indians stay close to their commonalities because their parents haven’t yet assimilated.  They love their families, but 50 years from now they will live everywhere and they’ll be good neighbors.

After 150 years of freedom and 50 years of entitlements, large segments of the black populace stay in their communities because no one knows how to work, because no one’s had a job in generations, they get free money every month and they can’t speak English because education is a “White Thang” .

 A ghetto is not a culture, it’s a prison.

It’s simple to get out.  Get an education, improve your attitude, get a job and get a U-Haul.

Which Democrats disrespect Obama?

1) Reid – he threw POTUS under the bus when he was desperate for votes.
2) Members of his own cabinet, according to the Susskind book.  Kennedy was young, too, but no one can point to anyone who took over his presidency the way Susskind’s book allegedly alleges (I haven’t read it)
3) Every DEM who sided with Republicans in the Health Care debacle, who ushered him into office then ran for the hills. Luckily 2010 got rid of some of them.
4) I don’t believe anyone but Chris Matthews has any real sympathy for the way this nation is treating him–or better yet, is coming to his defense.

I appreciate your viewpoint.  It’s very male-centric, and is to be respected as indicative of your station in life.  You’re an intelligent man who wants to be judged by the content of his character.   I’m not a man, so I might be more protective and do not want to see any Black man disrespected because he thinks differently.  Cain can think what he wants.  No journalist has the right to ask a Black person what they did in the Civil Rights movement and pass judgment on whether he is Black enough–unless the journalist is Black.  Especially then.  I am not even an Obama supporter right now.  I haven’t signed the “I’m in” pledge because I’m disappointed with him.  But I understand that he had a hailstorm of bombs being thrown at him from every conceivable angle.  I don’t want him to fail. 

You and I agree on most things, in retrospect, about what we want for our race.  But I’m a bit more soft than you.  We will dance around this until the cows come home. I’m a woman.  You’re a man.  And never the twain shall meet, which is the polemic between our mutual race yet different sex.  Sharpton sides with you.  I side with Ms. Perry.  And that’s called a stalemate.  

I have one question for you? Have you seen “The Wire?” and are you a fan?

 A ghetto is not a culture, it’s a prison.

As I said, I was pretty sure it was futile, and I was right:). If you believe that “ghetto” is black culture, then that’s something you need to believe. I can’t do anything about that, and I don’t know if it’s all that important to try. You’ve taken refuge in the prejudices you need to cling to in order not to feel afraid. Looking at your reply, the best thing I can say it that it’s about us…not about you.

In 2007 I also believed that Obama could be a good influence on the black community.

Obama who? Obama is a transient phenomenon. I never thought he would have any significant effect on our arc as a people. That’s not a slam on him, that’s just an observation. He’s not very relevant to this subject.

It’s simple to get out.  Get an education, improve your attitude, get a job and get a U-Haul.

Part of the overall goal should be not to “get out”, but to improve what’s already there, in addition to being everywhere else we need to be to facilitate our advancement…as a people. Yes, Cosby does have black nationalist leanings, but it’s not the sort of black nationalism that just wants to engage in physical segregation. It’s a competitive black nationalism that seeks economic prosperity and real black power, and I agree with it. And…”Majority America’s” conceptions of “left”, “right”, “liberal” and “conservative” don’t really fit into it.

Wow, a cut and paste transcript of a Larry King show.  That’s valuable..

I think  it’s very valuable. The fact that you try to dismiss it after spouting they typical white rightist misconception of Cosby shows that you can’t quite handle it, so you choose to try to ignore the content of it:).

Well, we’re talking about two different groups of people, aren’t we? I talked about liberals who criticize Obama over his policies. You’re talking about the people who at least helped put those policies into place. You seem to say he’s been pushed around by those people because he’s black. I have my doubts, but if he has, it’s probably because he’s allowed it to happen. You mention the Blue Dogs, but fail to mention that he’s favored them over more liberal Democrats.In fact, I think that to a large extent, he’s gotten the outcomes he’s wanted by acting as if he was pushed into them unwillingly.

 appreciate your viewpoint.  It’s very male-centric

I don’t think so. I think it’s more the viewpoint of someone who has never felt that there is something wrong with being black. That is partial a result of my upbringing, and I have sisters who share the same outlook.

 Sharpton sides with you.  I side with Ms. Perry.

Well, if I remember the video correctly, I would say that you side with Harris-Perry and Sharpton, and I side with Goldie Taylor. So..that sort of spoils your gender argument.

Prior to the Civil War, when our citizens referred to our country as “These United States”.  After the Civil War it was “The United States”.  As soon as we start to divide this nation into little cultural segments we risk losing our strength and identity as the greatest nation on the planet. “E Plurubus Unum”, From the Many – One.

I know you like to split hairs to demonstrate your vast intelligence. I’m just a regular guy who spent many years traveling and  doing business in all parts of Africa.  I never use the term African-American.  Blacks in the US have nothing to do with Africa, well except maybe Obama.  Africans make fun of American blacks.  American blacks are to them, “Colored People”.  I don’t think any of us want that term back.

The only ghettos we have in this country are self described black ghettos.  There was once one in Warsaw for Jews.  It was also a prison.

I wouldn’t mind having a discussion with you, but you are so full of yourself and assured, from a minor world view, that you are correct.  You aren’t.  We are one county and one people.  Lose your racism and I’ll tell you about Africa.

No, you wouldn’t want to go to Africa.  They don’t care much for American blacks. Queen Michelle went on safari with her entourage of handlers, twenty wigs, fifty sets of fake eyelashes, millions in jewelry and shoes.  They’re still laughing.

You’re reading from a script in your head, and almost none of it engages what I’ve actually typed.

As soon as we start to divide this nation into little cultural segments we risk losing our strength and identity as the greatest nation on the planet.

“As soon as”? We’re already there. We always have been there, including through the strongest days this nation has seen. And that’s not a bad thing, in and of itself. If you were honest, you wouldn’t couch your desires in this rhetoric. You’d come right out and say that you want white hegemony- white supremacy, even. You basically want blacks to disband as a people, and dedicate themselves to the maintenance and advancement of…you. You want us to give up our interests as a people in favor of yours and those you perceive to be your people. Come on, don’t you know this is transparent?

I wouldn’t mind having a discussion with you, but you are so full of yourself and assured

Not especially. It just seems that way to you because it’s obvious that I don’t relate to you as an authority. As far as having a discussion, you’re right- it’s really not all that necessary.

Typical liberal – you only respond to what you cut and paste that supports your misguided argument.  You don’t seek common ground. You just attack those you have chosen to hate.  You’re a bigot.

It was a majority white culture that elected Obama.  If he wasn’t such an idiot he could be reelected.

We have an all volunteer military that is the best in the world.   Yes,
and there are respectful black soldiers and marines who speak English, and I honor them every day.  In Vietnam we were a hodgepodge of disorganized tribes with guns.  That worked well, didn’t it?  Is that what you have in mind?

You hate this country because you envy success, and blame others for your failure. You want a separate world that you can manipulate without competition from those who worked for their success.  Oh, and you don’t want the police to limit your success. Maybe the one thing that American blacks have in common with Africans is brutality against their own people.  One tribe hacks another by the millions because they are of another tribe.  Is that bigotry? Are Crips and Bloods tribes

Did you realize that there are five black races in Africa?  Your attitude suggests that you are West African.

Black communities pay no taxes because they represent the 47% who don’t.  Yet black communities consume most of the police and fire department services to go along with every other entitlement imaginable.  Yes, the rich folks need to pick up more of those costs.

In my neighborhood, when you are burglarized the police will likely show up the next day.  Why? The police are all in the ghetto investigating the latest shooting.

Since the Katrina tribe arrived five years ago property and personal crime has skyrocketed. 

You think that that is the way it should be?  If I came to your house to kick down your door what would you do?  Is a man who protects his family a racist?

You’re very misguided. Did you have a father? Do you have children? 

 Do I pay for your Internet access?

You don’t seek common ground.

In other words, I don’t pledge fealty to you. Got it.

There you go again, responding to the script in your head. I’ll just invite people to read your reply first, then go back and read what you’re replying to. You’re making stereotypical assumptions about black people in general, about me specifically, who I am, what my situation is, and…you know, I’m glad you are. You’re illustrating  the concept of “cultural racism” (and how it’s a very thin cover for biological racism) very well:).

You can feel victorious that you can count better than me, my friend. I wish you well in your Blackness. 

No, I don’t know much about you.  Your total contribution is nothing but bigoted attack. 

I know you are liberal, you live in Texas, you’re black and you believe that there is valued culture in a place that is infested with crime, brutality and drugs.

You’re willing to accept the fact that children on the street are mentally and physically poisoned and have a good chance of being murdered because you don’t care enough to get them out of harm’s way.

You believe that because I love the country I fought for, I demand your allegiance.  The only thing I want from you is a pledge that you will stand on your own feet like a man, raise your own children and not be a drain on society.

For all I know, you could have a job, and pay your bills.  I know you can’t be a good father because it would be a crime to instill your belief system in a young mind.  Verbal, physical and mental abuse are required to ruin a precious child.

The only thing I want from you is a pledge that you will stand on your own feet like a man, raise your own children and not be a drain on society.

That’s not really a pledge I owe to you, but I’ve done that, the same as my father (yes, that’s right) did. The majority of black men who have done that were/are what you’d call “liberal Democrats”. That’s a fact that you’re afraid to accept.

“You’re willing to accept the fact that children on the street are mentally and physically poisoned and have a good chance of being murdered because you don’t care enough to get them out of harm’s way.” 

That’s interesting. You brought up Bill Cosby, I responded by telling you what I thought of him, but you missed it, apparently. Go back and read. What do you think should happen in and to “ghettos”? I think they should become thriving, vibrant, peaceful places…don’t you? If not, why not?

Well, there were three people on the panel, and two of them were women. Didn’t Al Sharpton agree with Melissa Harris-Perry on the “You can’t ask a black man about that” thing? I think so. Goldie Taylor didn’t explicitly agree with them, but she did decline to join Sharpton and Harris-Perry in that criticism. Here she is in an interview with Martin Bashir. Watch it, and it will become clear that she doesn’t buy into the “You can’t ask a black man about that” trope.

http://goldietaylor.com/truthmatters/tag/martin-bashir/

“What do you think should happen in and to “ghettos”? I think they should
become thriving, vibrant, peaceful places…don’t you? If not, why not?”

All you need is more money for the disadvantaged black folks in the ghetto, another ten trillion should do it, and all the ghettos will be garden spots and everyone will have a job.  After 50 years of pumping free money into those communities nothing has changed.

Some of the finest people I know are liberal Democrats.  I accept the fact that most blacks men are liberal Democrats.  The liberal Democrats I know and respect don’t abandon their children in the slums with mother on welfare.  I’m not saying that you are one of those bums, but I would bet that a good portion of your friends in the soon to be thriving, vibrant, peaceful places don’t father their children.

I believe we understand each other’s positions on the topic.

You didn’t answer my question. What do you think should happen to the neighborhoods you call “ghettos”? This goes beyond your concepts of “liberal” and “conservative”. Do you think they should just be deserted, or should they be made better, by whatever means? Sure, there are social pathologies in those neighborhoods, to varying extents, and they need to be pushed off. Depopulating the neighborhoods won’t achieve that. I think they should be “garden spots”, to use your sarcastic term. Why don’t you want them to be? I’m just curious about that- it seems strange.

No, all we need is not money, and almost 20 years after the implementation of welfare reform, there is much less “free money” being “pumped” into those neighborhoods. A big part of what we need is an even stronger sense of ourselves as a people, and a determination to advance ourselves…as a people, on our own terms. Ask the liberal Democratic black people you supposedly respect if they want blacks to disband as a people. They don’t.

In answer to your question, based on conservative principals, things need to be left alone to succeed or fail as they will.  If a community can lift itself out of failure it will succeed.  Years ago I lived in Seattle, one of the most liberal places on the planet.  The formerly worst neighborhoods in the city are now some of the most desirable places to live, with people of different races living together peacefully.  The success there was because the ghettos decided that there was value in the community’s real estate.  The black community policed itself until it was a safe place, and white folks moved in to fix-up nice old homes.

That was Seattle.  I doubt that the same formula will work in Texas, especially because of the extreme violence of the Katrina Tribe and the drug cartels.

A solution that is being implemented in 36 states is drug testing of welfare recipients as a prequalification for free money.  One of the biggest problems in the inner city is Section 8 housing.  Now that is a evil white business. 

If we start getting drug abuse and welfare fraud under control, and put the Section 8 slum lords back in the business of competing for renters, it’s a step in the right direction.

But there are more problems than solution.  I hope is succeeds.  I hope you succeed.

A solution that is being implemented in 36 states is drug testing of welfare recipients as a prequalification for free money.

Well, these days, “welfare” is a straw man. Once again, especially after reform, it’s not nearly a as large a factor, but I understand why some need to cling to the belief that it is. There’s nothing to be done about that. That said…eh, I don’t care if they drug test.

In answer to your question, based on conservative principals, things need to be left alone to succeed or fail as they will.  If a community can lift itself out of failure it will succeed.

To the extent that many black neighborhoods are in failure, I’m talking about them being lifted…there’s nothing radical about that, is there?

The black community policed itself until it was a safe place, and white folks moved in to fix-up nice old homes.

I don’t see gentrification as being the goal or the reason for black people to want to improve predominantly black neighborhoods:).

 I doubt that the same formula will work in Texas, especially because of the extreme violence of the Katrina Tribe and the drug cartels.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Study-Katrina-crime-wave-nonexistent-in-Houston-1715592.php

We’re making progress.  This is becoming a somewhat civil conversation.

“I don’t see gentrification as being the goal or the reason for black
people to want to improve predominantly black neighborhoods:).”

I was just suggesting an example of something that worked in Seattle.  I agree, black folks would rather have an ethnic community.  Whites are foreigners, and not cool.

I just believe that integration is the long term solution. But I could be wrong.

When police spend all their time fighting crime in one neighborhood it costs the entire community because other areas are under served.  The only way to change that pattern is for community leaders in high crime areas to take charge.  They need to demand that their neighbors stop the illegal activity.  No more drug houses and street dealing can be tolerated and no more gang activity.   If that action is taken it is possible to succeed.

I once proposed a project to put a major network facility in East St. Louis, IL.  I planned the project based on maps and network efficiency,  not on reality.  It was rejected because the company knew that they could never get employees to go there.  I argued loudly until I went there for a visit. It’s a non existent place on the eastern bank of the Mississippi. No amount of money can fix it.

The Chronicle article is a joke.  Bureaucrats and psychologists spend a lot of time lying to justify their existence. Have you ever heard a mayor say that he couldn’t handle his city’s problems?  Statistics can be manipulated to prove almost anything. 

Let’s keep talking. 

Best regards,

TT

We’re making progress.  This is becoming a somewhat civil conversation.

Maybe, but to what practical end in terms of the advancement of black people? Make no mistake, I’m still talking through you.

I agree, black folks would rather have an ethnic community.  Whites are foreigners, and not cool.

Well, some would rather have that, some wouldn’t at all, and some would like to see neighborhoods that aren’t necessarily all black, but do still serve as touchstones and homes for institutions that can serve as support mechanisms.

The only way to change that pattern is for community leaders in high crime areas to take charge.  They need to demand that their neighbors stop the illegal activity.  No more drug houses and street dealing can be tolerated and no more gang activity.   If that action is taken it is possible to succeed.

Right. I have no problem with that, but in many if not most cases, in practice, the police have used these efforts to violate the civil liberties of people who weren’t involved in crime, willfully pushing and pushing until whatever goodwill and trust offered by the neighborhood people who initiated the effort is broken. 

It was rejected because the company knew that they could never get employees to go there.

Yes, well…that’s just one more indication that when it comes down to it, we’re on our own, and we should start looking at those sorts of clouds as opportunities to look for silver linings.

The Chronicle article is a joke.

No, the study it talks about is an honest examination of what actually happened rather than what many people willed themselves to believe, and apparently are still willing themselves to believe, for one reason or another.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Violent-crime-in-Houston-sinks-but-reasons-2178664.php

“Make no mistake, I’m still talking through you.”

You’re either an occult practitioner, or you’re being an arrogant liberal axxhole.

You seem like an intelligent person.  We obviously have different life experiences.  I would guess that yours in mostly academic. Mine is less so, but I deal with many academics, and I take crap from none of them.  Some have a clue.  Some of those are liberals.  The clueless are usually, but not always, liberals.

“the police have used these efforts to violate the civil liberties of
people who weren’t involved in crime, willfully pushing and pushing
until whatever goodwill and trust offered by the neighborhood people who
initiated the effort is broken.”

I’m certainly not a fan of the police, but they are creatures of their environment.  They treat everyone like crap.  They spend most of their time with criminals. Where do you find most of the criminals?  It’s not just because of your skin color.  I’ve never, nor do I know anyone who has cop friends.  They are corrupt and brutal people.  I’ve often felt that the best cops are black females.  They are tough and take no crap, but they are essentially, with some exceptions, fair minded people.  Get off the victim wagon.  Cops hate us all.  See, we have something more in common.

You wish to advance your race.  That’s an honorable goal.  Institutions could be established to support those goal.  I’m sure you can find charitable groups such as churches that would be helpful.   Governmental support for such institutions is becoming about as popular as foreign aide to Pakistan.  There is a great deal of graft and corruption in Pakistan too.

I doubt that you’ve ever been to East St. Louis, or Peshawar, Pakistan.  In some regards Peshawar is safer.

Americans are a very generous lot.  We give more to charity than any other country.  But even air headed  do gooders eventually become weary.

Again, Americans are one people from many fabrics. Separately we are fraying rags.  When we join together we can make a great quilt.