Can we get a “perp walk” for Fast & Furious or Solyndra?

If Moore would stay out of the park , 10 more of the bums could get in .

Perp walk ? It ‘s dangerous down there . At Zucotti Park , a walk for your health becomes a run for your life .

( Rodney Dangerfield 1967)

I want a perp. walk too, starting with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld …………..

Even Obama admitted what the bankers did was legal.  Maybe not ethical, but legal.  They knew the government would bail out Fannie and Freddie, so they took more and more risk to the point of stupidity because they thought they couldn’t lose.

That  pic could be of Ray Maddow in 15 years …. and a commie colored Tigers cap?

Once again , conservatives to the rescue . Selfish children of the left can’t be bothered about nasty , hungry, poor people .

“#OccupyBoston Ruins Food Bank Fundraiser, Conservatives Step in with $3,700 Fund Drive”

http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2011/10/15/occupyboston-ruins-food-bank-fundraiser-conservatives-step-in-with-3700-fund-drive/

Sorry, but you expect many of us to voluntarily expose ourselves to seventeen minutes of O’Donnell and Moore?  I thought you liberals were against torture?

The people we need to go after are Clinton officials who pushed a much more insane version of Carter’s Community Reinvestment Act and the Democrat Congress that passed it in 1993.  And blame the people in the House and Senate since that resisted any attempts to reign in Fannie and Freddie.  Obama was actually among those people.

Lawrence O’Donnell is not doing himself any favors with his stalker-ish obsession with Herman Cain.  It’s almost as if he’s a shadow supporter of Cain.  Lawrence is helping Cain with name recognition and exposure because his attacks on Cain are insanely dishonest.

Michael Moore is a FATASS HYPOCRITE
http://mooreexposed.com/
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2011/oct/4/michael-moore-worst-hypocrite-world/

The only perp I wanna see do the walk is Ari Douglas. That pos fell under the motorcycle, purposely. 6 camera men just happened to be there?

Another one I would like to see do the walk is Holder.

Wow … a whole $3,700!  I wouldn’t brag about that paltry amount … I would be ashamed of it.

Bill Buppert has a good response to the communists of Wall Street, in “The Red Menace Ain’t Dead Yet.”

http://zerogov.com/?p=2351

STFU Moore.  There have been dozens of perp walks.  Raj Rajatmaran just got eleven years.  Allen Stanford is in mental lockdown.

YOU want a certain persons perp walk but don’t have the balls to name him.

So go away — and I am a liberal Obama supporter.

When are there going to be perp walks of some of these protesters?  How about that HIV positive guy squirting liquid on cops?  How about those into bestiality there?  No?  You just want people who have worked their whole lives?  Good luck with that.

Yep – Bushy-Boys TARP program saved the private banks but they never asked for it.  The US has never recovered from TARP (even though most has been repaid) – either Teabagger or OWS squatter.

Really is that all you can come up with?? Fast and Furious was a TV style plan for which the govt would have been praised had it succeeded.  THE TV machine is always showing these risky operations as the hero goes to the rescue. Solyndra started their application during the Bushies and advanced during that admin. So, it was well on its way before Obama. And the very fact that only 1 of the 10 projects failed, is till a pretty good track record for “experimental” forward thinking energy projects.

It would be fun to see Michael Moore & Lawrence O’Donnell so a “perp walk” to some chain-gang down in south Georgia. Wonder how long they would last clearing county right-of-way in the swamps around Waycross? Boss-man say: “Hey, fat boy! Ain’t you never swung a bush-hook before?” HeeHeeHee.

It was your hero Bush that killed Fannie/Freddie reform.   The GSE Reform Act of 2005 passed and Bush killed it.  The bill was HR 1461 and S.190.

Bush also gave $10,000 each to low income homebuyers.  Don’t believe me?  Google the American Dream Downpayment Act.

The CRA is a wingnut lie to cover for Bushy-Boy and his housing bubble.

Whatever you say, it was the repeal of Glass-Stiegel, that set the WALL STREET HUSTLERS FREE to rob, steal and cheat the american people and the world . The world is in trouble because they followed some of the failed TRICKLE DOWN POLICIES. Margaret Thatcher in England, she was no hero.

Oh, no. what they did was not legal. When you defraud, when you lie about value of a product that is a con. It looked LEGAL on its face, because our regulators never looked at the transactions. No matter what. If you tell someone they are buying a SILK PURSE and they get a sows ear. That is theft. That is illegal.

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant
regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
and loan crisis a decade ago.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5
trillion in outstanding debt — is broken…..

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html?src=pm

From the same article:

These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any
kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of
Massachusett

No it was BUSH/CHENEY who reintroduced TORTURE into our nation and dishonored our nation. The problem with conservatives is that they cannot accept TRUTH that comes with O’Donnell and Maddow. The denial of truth and facts is what got us here. The TPARTY NATIONALIST’S LIEs are being exposed.

I don’t know if perp walks, or lack thereof, is a practical or reasonable grievance or demand. No laws were broken that we know of

Macro economic data and weekly jobless claims numbers issued by the labor department started to worsen shortly after the tea-party ideologues in congress were sworn in. One does not have to have a degree in economics to make the connection. Employment is a lagging economic indicator and just as the numbers started to take on the right trajectory shape, Jan 2011 came along.

Now this does not exonerate the presidnet and the lack of leadership that he displayed in not being able to be a step or two ahead of and contain these economic- and political-talibans in congress.

He thought by triangulating and bolting to the right (he really is center) he’d replicate 1996 thinking that history repeats itself not knowing that it only rhymes

Will Obama be on that perp walk for using taxpayer dollars to bail out the investors in SOLYNDRA? – after changing the law to allow a return of those investors’ principal (including Mr. Kaiser, a strong Obama supporter and “bundler”) BEFORE taxpayers!

And, this is but anecdotal to what this corrupt, central-control Marxist in the White House is all about!

You’re right in a sense, but not quite.  Problems are inherent to all economic systems.  Our government has always responded to problems within the system.  We have always made laws and regulations to provide stability to the markets.

Always, that is, until George W. Bush came along.  Bush and his fellow Republicans forbade regulators from heading off the problems in real time.  He forbade the government from fixing the problems.

It’s easy to trace the problem back to its origin, but that has never been the test of government.  The test of government is in adapting to the circumstances.  Under Bush, government stood down. Under Obama, they’re still standing down.

You and I have a very different idea of “well on it’s way”. But keep pushing that MSNBC propaganda. But if dead officers are OK by you that’s your problem… not mine. If you’re an accessory to murder, you are just as guilty of the murder as the guy who pulled the trigger.

Why? What did they do that Obama isn’t doing now… on steroids

Fanny and Freddy escape you memory? Or do you not like facts when it make Dems look bad???

Will we be seeing any articles about the Craig’s List ad offerring $300-600 dollars to “protestors” willing to join the Wall Street May Day Parade?

Will we hearing fro the Mainstream Media, or ilk like Pelosi, on how these are “Astroturf” rallies because of the cash-for-appearing aspect? 
Remember they accused the Tea Party of doing just this, with NO indication of payments or incentives of any kind.

They’ve since pulled the ad, but I’m sure a little research on the part of the very competent and professional staff at Mediaite can reprise a copy of that ad.

Hilarious!  You think I can’t read?  From your link –

“The administration’s proposal, which was endorsed in large part today by
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would not repeal the significant government
subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the
implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they
run into financial difficulty; that perception enables them to issue
debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. Nor would it
remove the companies’ exemptions from taxes and antifraud provisions of
federal securities laws.”

So –

Fannie and Freddie ENDORSED this “reform”
would NOT repeal huge federal subsidies
does NOT change Fannie/Freddie federal debt guarantee
retains federal bailout of F/F
allows them to undercut the private market
retains tax exemptions

You and Bush call that “reform”?  No wonder you eat up his lies!   When REAL Reform came along HR 1461 and PASSED Bush killed it!

The stupidty of this nonsense and letting it go forward shows the weak leaders we have from the Whitehouse on down.

The very fact of what this can turn into and the disruption of people who work by day in this area, the businesses who are tormented by the filth and stench and protesters wanting the bathrooms. Crime will come soon enough as the organizers feel not enough attention is gained. Mayor Bloomberg is Weak and he’s shown his hand. The real violence hasn’t even started yet.
Karma Mayor Bloomberg.

On Solyndra, Bush had a moratorium on it, until Obama lifted it and pushed ahead on infusing 1/2 billion in taxpayer monies into the coffers of one of his biggest supporters and cash bundlers.

On “Fast & Furious”, it is either incompetence, ineptitude or ideological coruption which led to the delivery of war weapons to the most violent drug gangs on the planet.

Maybe you’d like to explain to the parents of the US border guard, or the parents of hundreds of others thought to be killed by these guns, how the government would have been praised!  

Every couple days, the Bush administration spent more on Iraq than the Obama administration has spent in total on Solyndra.  Do you really think people are going to take you seriously?

Then your beef is with BILL CLINTON – who signed the repeal!
- and with OBAMA, who’s been “stimulating” bankrupt solar companies (plural!), instead of finding these left-wing Marxists jobs!

So when does this Bald-Faced HYPOCRISY of the left end?

Don’t hold your breath, because the community organizer in the White House probably has his fingerprints all over this – with, of course, deniable culpability.

The Bushies heard the outcry and begged off. I think you left that part off as all Far Liberal Loons do.
OMG 1 out of 10???????????????????????????????????Did you sleep through all the rest or will say anything in this inept presidents favor,even though it isn’t true.?JUST LIKE NAN AND HARRY , they too think the occupy is good American fun what a bunch. Socialism won’t be as much fun if you get your way.
 Regulations,restrictions,debt,out with free speech,gun control,unemployment, in case you aren’t aware unemployment feeds into Socialism,not far from Germany and how it started are we?.
But hey if you are one with the handout, I can understand your position, thats right where Obama wants you.

You blithering idiot.

Fannie and Freddie did not cause Lehman, Bear, Merrill, WaMu, AIG, Wachovia, IndyMac, and 100′s of others to pass out crappy loans like candy and then fail or sold off for pennies.

Fannie/Freddie only take CONFORMING loans – these guys took any paper with a name on it.

Try reading the posts.

I don’t see anyone, here holding Bush up as a hero; he was a de-facto Democrat when it came to domestic issues – just as Obama would be considered a defacto Republican when it comes to the Kill-Count he’s amassing with his new toy, the drones!

Think about the rivers of innocent blood your guy is spilling all over the Middle East and Africa.
Or, doesn’t innocent blood matter any more if it’s a Marxist-Democrat spilling it?

I support Ron Paul genius. I don’t believe in nation building. Whether done by liberal of conservatives.

Now go to your 9/11Truther meeting.

First off, read ALL 3 pages from the NYT article:

“Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve
a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the
National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who
fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.”

Secondly, are you REALLY going to point to HR 1461???  Drafted by Richard Baker(R) and co sponsored by:

Cosponsors:
Robert Aderholt [R-AL4]
James Barrett [R-SC3]
Roy Blunt [R-MO7]
Geoff Davis [R-KY4]
Tom Feeney [R-FL24]
Michael Fitzpatrick [R-PA8]Scott Garrett [R-NJ5]  Paul Gillmor [R-OH5]Jeb Hensarling [R-TX5]Walter Jones [R-NC3]Thaddeus McCotter [R-MI11]
Michael Oxley [R-OH4]
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL18]
Paul Ryan [R-WI1]
Jim Ryun [R-KS2]
Christopher Shays [R-CT4]
Robert Simmons [R-CT2]
Frank Wolf [R-VA10]
Patrick McHenry [R-NC10]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-1461

Almost ALL Democrats voted NO.  Lol.

I agree with tatboy. You, not so much…

Freddy and Fanny has shown to have only caused around 17% of the foreclosures.    I know you righties     like to make up things all the times just so your simple minds can grasp it.  

Funny how the left sees events completely different than the right.

As for congress – they did their job this week, but basically all 3 branches have their hands tied to some extent.  The 2 demo arms could do some major shifting and start things going – and if the congress didn’t go along with it, then they could be called out.  I cannot see that happening with the crew in charge at the moment.  

As of right now – there is a whole bunch of posturing and nothing happening.

I would also suggest that the President either get his mike turned off, or learn to give a rah rah speech without once mentioning the republicans negatively.  

The solution for co-operation is about as clear as the noses on your faces.

One thing that the left might take notice of, is that the right when interviewed, speak like adults and conduct themselves with a level of decorum (Boehner, Reid, Cantor) and the left keep up the silly wild rhetoric (Obama, Pelosi, Reid).

It’s so old and so lame and yet they don’t learn.  Seriously, until you stop with the demeaning of the right – you’re going to get nothing, absolutely nothing.

The reason you don’t agree is because I posted facts, and Republicans don’t agree with facts.

Look to Frank/ Dodd Corruption for the housing debacle and get yourselves in front of the Whitehouse if you had half a brain.
HERE’S  ONE FOR THE IDIOTS IN THE PARK,THE WOODSTOCK REVIVIAL FOR SEX,DRUGS,FILTH,STENCH, SOON CRIME..DOWN WITH CAPITALISM????????WHAT?
THEN THEY DO A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR STEVE JOBS/ IT’S CAPITALISM STUPID THE ONLY WAY ONE COULD SUCCEED AS HE DID,AND THATS THE VERY THING THEY WANT SMASHED.
MORONS THE LOT OF THEM, ORGANIZED LIKE SHEEP AND HAVEN’T A CLUE!

Ron Paul is a Republican candidate for president of the United States.

That’s $3700 more than 0! -  not to mention ruinning the fund drive to have their point-of-view heard.

Democrats = Welfare Dependency, and Abolition of the Family Unit as a means of progeny support.

GOP = JUST THE OPPOSITE!

Obama and his whole administration!

So what official law did the Wall Street bankers break?

It starts with ‘Perp Walks’…then comes…’Off With Their Heads’.

There is nobody to go after.  It’s a diversion some on the left are encouraging and enticing.  The protestors are too stupid to ask “why are they letting us”, and if you read Bloomberg’s comments about the heavy hands involved in keeping the protestors there you wonder why nobody is covering that side of the story.  Exactly who was strong arming the owners.  Why am I not shocked that it’s not being asked?
Wouldn’t you like to know?

The mess is water under the bridge.  There are so many people who failed to do what they should have been doing that it’s very much a domino effect.  

The protestors, although I would think most of them are naive young people, they are being agitated to ramp up the rhetoric.  I see unions, Van Jones (backed by Soros) and other malcontents fingerprints all over it.   Chaos is a great diversion but it has never solved anything but created its own set of problems.

I can just see in a few months, some of these “agigtators” suing the government for allowing them to continue and causing unwanted pregnancies, illness’ etc.  Then their lawyers will state the government should have known better and kept the protestors safe but they didn’t for their own motives.   Just take hepatitis C – how is it spread?  Seriously, I’m truly afraid for some of these silly kids who have been brainwashed into thinking there is some honor in what they are doing.  

HAHAHAHAHAHA… you’re a “Truther”. Facts and you have never met.

How about Michael Moore being the perp!?  He has become a multimillionaire “stealing” money from the 99%.  Where did his money come from? Hiring labor?  I think not.

Very good. You have a superficial understanding of who Ron Paul is. Good job. ;)

The Dems controlled all three branches for two years, and attempted a Central Control consolidation of power through ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank, Stimulus, regulations, czars and selective law-enforcement – instead of addressing jobs!

The reason is simple, Obama and his Left are avowed believers in the Marxist governmental philosophy; and they’ve attempted to surreptitiosly impose that governance on the nation. 

It’s the same scenario that unfolded in Venezuela and every other nation that went through the “win one election” strategy of a government takeover.

Did you ever listen to the words of Rev. Wright?

OBAMA LISTENED FOR 20 YEARS!
- despite his LIES that he didn’t!

b.s.

Are you related to Barney?

They put a Government Impramatur on the bulk of sub-primes which were eventually bundled into CDO’s.

The rating agencies gave them AAA status primarily because of it!

Without that Government Guarantee, Wall Street would not have been able to bundle or sell them.

See directly above…

EVERYBODY admits Solyndra was a failure; are you ready to concede on Iraq?

Now the right is against the proliferation of guns? WOW!

Oh, right…Obama won in ’08.

Yeah, I supported Mike Oxley (Chairman) and HR 1461.  It passed with 330 votes.  I have supported plenty of Republicans in the past.

Fact is that Bush killed GSE Reform while conservatives lie and say Barney Frank did.  That is my problem.

I went anti-GOP due to Bush and Tom DeLay.  Why?

Iraq War lies
PATRIOT Spy on America Act
TARP
Medicare Welfare for Pharma Act
Dubai Ports support for Arabs
9/11 coverup of bin Laden family
$1.3 trillion deficit
Financial crisis
Tax cuts that even Milton Friedman hated
housing bubble
firing US attorneys for prosecuting GOP crime (Duke Cunningham)

enough?

I can go on.

really?

The suggestion in the New Yorker that Bush would have vetoed the Bill H.R. 1461 had it gotten to him is ludicrous. It is however highly likely that s.190 could not get the needed 60 votes in the Senate because of Democratic opposition and that is why it was killed in committee. The notion that the Republicans could have brought it up for a vote without Democratic Party support is a lie and Frank isn’t stupid.

Update: I have just now found out that Bush preferred s. 190 to H.R. 1461 and made this known. Apparently Oxley wasn’t happy about this. But the reason why Bush took that position was because s. 190 was quite a bit tougher than H.R. 1461 which had been watered down to gain bi-partisan support in the House. Would Bush have vetoed H.R. 1461 had it come to his desk? That is highly doubtful seeing how Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008, which was a Democratic party sponsored intiative that featured the same idea’s as H.R. 1461. The problem with Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 is that it was too little and too late as far as reigning in Fannie and Freddie, the damage was done.

(from encircling mendacity)

Bush didn’t kill anything doofus.

The overwhelming majority of Republicans were against the bank bailouts.

It’s the Obama-supporting Democrats on Wall Street (Goldman-Sachs, Citi, JP Morgan…who gave record amounts to Obama) who supported it.
They’re the same ones who changed the regulations, and vitiated the oversight of Congress, during the CLINTON years!

In fact, Obama kept the very people negligent in preventing this debacle the first time (Bernanke, Geithener, Summers…) in the same or similar positions under his administration!

Now, why do you think that was?
- and why aren’t the Wall Street mobs outraged about that? 

You were never a Republican so stop lying, socky.

How do you feel about that aclu lawyer throwing himself under the motorcycle? You condone such actions?

#1. I support Ron Paul… nuff said

#2. Check the NRA website for this, but LEGAL gun owners like gun laws that keep gun out of the hands of criminals. MAny have speculate (not me BTW) the Obama and Holder were flooding the streets with guns to boost support of gun laws against legal gun owners.

#3. Yep he won on ’08 (along with the house and a super-majority in the senate)… how’s the country doing?

“Bush killed the GSE Reform Act of 2005 after it passed in the House.  
That Act would have deprived FRE of capital during the bubble.”

Really?

How about proof right on White House letterhead signed by Bush?

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/omb/legislative/sap/109-1/hr1461sap-h.pdf

READ IT.

He said 1461 would “lessen the GSE’s committment to low-income homebuyers”.

Game over, pal.

Couldn’t answer your “brilliant” response when I proved you lied.

You’re lying more – Bush didn’t veto that bill.  The left hung it up and it went nowhere.
Never got to Bush.

You know how government works?  Perhaps a refresher course.  

It wasn’t Bush-boys (God what kind of an idiot talks like that?) TARP.  Bush controlled nothing!  

Bush sat in the office surrounded by idiots who wanted to sell the farm and he could do NOTHING!

Don’t disagree on the lack of leadership including when it comes to blaming the prior administration on the economy. 12 months into his administration, the president had no one to point to but himself

However, funny how you display the exact lack of qualities you’re attributing to the right, maturity and statesmanship. By inflicting collective punishment on the American people because some political figure from the other side has spoken ill of your political party, this is the definition of immaturity and trust me it at some point has to backfire.

The plan may not go as flawlessly as Dick Army has drafted it and the end result may not be a november 2012 defeat for the president. The fear is that the results may infact be what we’re seeing with these protests which might snowball
to Greece-style protests and the Tea Party has no one to blame but
itself. November 2012 may welcome a republican president with a true greater depression than the great depression.

But then again, you folks are too consumed with playing the race card and fending off the racism charge that you’re playing with fire flirting with a Cain nomination, in effect waving a white flag at the current administration & be content with Obama having a second term having to deal with an economic collapse you’ve handed him… for a second time

The less they know the more dangerous the left is. A “little” knowledge is a dangerous thing.

LA really is stupid…..

You want to sound reasonable but you just can’t fake it long enough to even get through one post.

Since the tea-party does not have a seat at the table, how are they the “cause” of this?

We are too busying playing the race card?  Dude, have you had your head buried in the sand?  Who is playing the race card?  You are – according to you Cain is our “token black” – can’t imagine a more racist statement.  I think Cain is a brilliant man.  Wish he had more government experience but I think he’s bright enough to admit what he doesn’t know and bright enough to be a quick study.  He has sat on the boards of some of the biggest corporations in America.  You don’t get an invite to their table because/in spite of your skin color, I can assure you.    He’s also very measured and thoughtful, which is a breath of fresh air.  Speaks with confidence and  intelligently without malice.  The man is a math whiz!  We need a math whiz cause the #’s are not adding up!

You don’t seem to understand that for people like me and many other righties, we don’t see color – we see character.  I guess if you’ve been indoctrinated to judge by a different yard stick, you couldn’t possible accept or understand that there are many many people like me who just don’t notice nor care about the color of one’s skin.  

We handed Obama an economic collapse?  Exactly how did we hand Obama anything of the sort.
Your attempts to be relevant – well the sort of collapsed after your first paragraph.  Somehow you turned into someone with no maturity and no common sense.  

bsgspm is a pretty good concern troll, I must say. You nailed him, though. ;)

If Bush lied about Iraq.  Then so did 100 senators to include Clinton, ex-presidents, and numerous other luminaries.  You are entitled to your liberal opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.  Stop making as ass of yourself.  Well, cancel the ass comment.  If you’re a liberal, you are an ass.

Liberals are still living in a time warp, where they controlled the message through a monolithic media, and believed they could just repeat the “racist” smear over-and-over, and that Their Media would dutifully promulgate it.

There are just too many news and information outlets now for that to happen.

Just look at the immediate, virulent, and growing backlash whenever they try to play the Race-Card today!

Look, your other questions I can’t answer, can’t change people’s powers of judgement

But the color part is too good to pass up on without commenting. If you value character and don’t see color, then by your definition all people with character are white with very very very few exceptions. If not, how do you explain the monochrome-shaded vision we were treated to at tea-party rallies?

The truth is, ‘all’ you see is color

You’ve been sent by the “excuse brigade”?  So let’s dismantle the excuses one by one.

You’re right about Solyndra not only starting but applying during the Bush (drop the stupid bushies – unless you want me to refer to the obbies) era and they were told to go away, your credit sucks.  Why did you forget that part?  Then, to add insult to injury, the application was reworded and approved by the Obama admin that in case of default, the gov got nadda (something that hasn’t happened in the 28 year history of one department worker) – so your excuse fails the smell test.

2.  Fast and Furious – it had a different name and a different code of operation under Bush.  No guns were lost and the few that were out there were tracked till they returned.  But, and here’s were you fail again.  It’s not the operation – it the fact that Holder didn’t know about it!  Now, there are 2 cases here.
He either lied that he didn’t hear about it (when records show that in fact the DOJ was more than aware), or he’s so freaking stupid he’s playing Angry Birds on his computer all day and reads nothing that crosses his desk!  I don’t care which of his excuses you go with – either indicates that he can’t perform his job.  He has made so many stupid errors (didn’t read Arizona’s bill before he commented – although he could have lied and said he read it and then been proven to be a liar), 

The 1 in 10 project failure??? What the hell do you think the government is – A BANK?  We don’t have the money to bankroll projects.  That’s not what the government is supposed to do!  That is about the dumbest comment ever!  You call that a “pretty good track record”?  It’s freaking 90% failure rate!

90% of blacks vote democrat, socky. That’s why they don’t go to Tea Party rallies. Were you dropped as a baby or is your excuse drugs?

Michael Moore is a complete slob…a slobbering, drooling pig of a fat man…and a traitor to America.
Even a Muslim would shy away from him….assuming he is a hog.
I hope his end is before a firing squad and I hope I am lucky enought to be a member of that squad.
Other than that….Knowing he was in prison being porked by 2-5 mandingos would suffice.
 

Really…Bush stood down? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html

This was the problem – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-YtqVIKTTE

And exactly what ‘facts’ have we been denying CarmanK?  Please, enlighten us all on what O’Donnell and Maddow have been saying that haven’t been said by liberal pundits over the last thirty years.  There’s absolutely nothing new in the rhetoric of either one of these lunatics except the names of those they blame.

10-14-2011
Glenn Beck on the Wall Street protests

The Factor welcomed Glenn Beck, who warned that
Occupy Wall Street protesters are a harbinger of more unrest. “I have
talked about the coming insurrection for a long time,” Beck said, “and
this is the beginning. I don’t know if this particular protest will
hang on through the cold months or how it will mutate, but take these
people seriously – they are calling for revolution and talking about how
they are going to collapse the system. This involves the SEIU, the
AFL-CIO and all kinds of groups that were paying people to come protest
against Wall Street and the banks. The leaders of this movement have
said they are not out to reform the system, they want to collapse it.
There will be violence and chaos in the street.”Beck added that the
occupation is a 2-limbed tree. These protesters will become violent and
then a new group will arise….a nicer, peaceful group led by
self-proclaimed
communist, Van Jones.This will be the left’s attempt to destroy the Tea
Party.He noted that this will become a global event.Today, October 15,
2011….The 99% opened protests in The Phillipines, Austrailia and
Japan.All funded by George Soros.
Beck NAILED IT AGAIN!!

Obama’s approval ratings are so low……now the Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the United States…..  :)

“The two companies are so-called government-sponsored enterprises, created by Congress in 1938 Fannie) and 1970 (Freddie) to help more Americans buy houses. Their mandate is to maintain a market for mortgages – buying loans from banks, repackaging them as bonds, and selling those securities to investors with a guarantee that they will be paid. 

This makes lending more tempting for banks because Fannie and Freddie take on risks like missed payments, defaults and swings in interest rates.”

Oh, here is the article – http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/11/news/economy/fannie_freddie.fortune/index.htm

That procedure had been performed on our own military long before Bush and Cheney were elected, there was no reintroduction needed.  Gaining information from three cut throat terrorists by use of enhanced interrogation after all other methods failed did not dishonor our nation, it saved lives, stopped attacks and led to the capture of other cut throat leaders that were a threat to our own.

If you were so concerned with dishonoring our nation you might be a bit concerned with our farmed out rendition done by countrys that what?  Dishonor us because we waterboarded three of the top al Qeada terrorists?  Surely you jest.  As far as many of the other countries, they can complain as soon as they start protecting their own bacon and spending their money on defense instead of failed social programs.

Michael Moore is irony everytime he opens his wealthy mouth. He acts like he’s jobless and homeless. Larry O’ and the rest of the left just eat it up like hypnotic soup. Rather interestingly funny. The OWS tv ad is humorous as well. You can have everything you asked for in that commercial. All you have to do is move to a socialist country. I hear there are vacant homes in Russia. See ya!!!!!

I just read…and you know what I read?

“Fannie, based in Washington, and Freddie in McLean, Virginia, own or guarantee 53 percent of the nation’s $10.7 trillion in residential mortgages, according to a June 10, Federal Reserve report. Millions of bad loans issued during the housing bubble remain on their books, and delinquencies continue to rise.”

Not sure how Fannie and Freddie caused even one foreclosure…but I do know, they own the majority of them.  Uh, I mean the taxpayers now own the majority of them.

Take a look at what Bloomberg said: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-13/fannie-freddie-fix-expands-to-160-billion-with-worst-case-at-1-trillion.html

I’d rather see Micheal Moore in a Burp Walk.Here’s a guy who has never had to struggle to eat.

And yet again another “celebrity” who thinks that alone qualifies him to be a political spokesperson.How can he have any kind of a clue?

Maybe while he’s having his perp walk he can include the hollywood elite that bankrolled his movies.

Wrong again, Sparky. The Bush administration had reservations about the Solyndra deal and did not move it forward.

One has nothing to do with the other. But since we’re talking, let’s discuss the huge debt an deficit that Obama has rung up.

You lie. A lot.

And who signed the repeal into law? Hmmmmm?

It was Barney Frank who said that there were no problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Only 17%? Well, that makes it all better. 

It’s better than zero. Of course, you liberals always want more of someone else’s money.

And, why hasn’t this administration gone after this theft?  They haven’t been shy about going after states attempting to protect their borders.  Why aren’t they charging and prosecuting those who have allegedly have committed such horrendous fraud that tanked our economy?

Barney Frank killed the reform.

The CRA allowed the government to order banks to lend in poor neighbors.

Barney Frank was in the minority party until 2007. He was completely powerless.

Yes, Obama has spent a huge amount of money trying to fix what Republicans broke, namely our entire economy, from top to bottom. He fixed the top, now need need somebody to do something about the rest.

The intelligence going into Iraq was the best intelligence available in the history of man. We had inspectors on the ground, helicopters dropping in on palaces, spy planes flying above, people interviewing officials and scientists. We knew EVERYTHING about the Iraqi weapons programs. We knew for certain that there were no WMD.

Here’s how the Republicans fooled you: They tricked you into believing that intelligence only comes from guys with pen guns and fake mustaches. But in reality, 99% of intelligence comes from public sources. They tricked you into ignoring 99% of the evidence. They know you are a moron.

Why can’t Michael Moore lose weight?  With all the healthy eating programs this administration is pushing why can’t he just do it?  Michael…eat your peas!

Do you have any idea what you posted there? You posted proof that Bush took the ability to regulate away from Congress and then didn’t regulate. You should read it.

Thence, with the best intelligence available, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Evan Byah, Joe Lieberman, Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer, and a bevy of other senators must be unable to read and comprehend the “best intelligence available,” according to your screed.

Since you’re the smartest person in the room, it’s automatically assumed you’re a liberal elitist who graduated Ivy League.  You’re so smart, you could replace any one of the dumbass senator’s who championed the WMD story.  As a member of Mensa, I can only assume you are capable of speaking to the stupidity and ignorance of Congress, and it’s time you set those buffoons straight. 

It’s unfair to the American people for a person of your intelligence to waste your time posting to a message board.  Go to Washington, dress down those idiots, and after convincing them of your superior intelligence, explain why they’re such dupes and why they should resign from Congress.  We’re behind your  effort, and look forward to you cleaning out that rat’s nest called Congress.  Fix bayonet and charge!

Congratulations!  With your ‘It was your hero Bush that killed Fannie/Freddie reform”, I have the distinct pleasure of awarding you the prestigeous Bullshit Artist of the Day Award!  I’m just a little curious how you have been able to remain conscience after the exhaustive effort used to type that whopper out on your computer today.  I’m not even going to offer sources which will turn your comments on their ear as it takes absolutely no effort to see who was truly responsible for the bill’s failure.

Fox News Talking Point Alert!

Hey, genius — just curious: Where were you during the 2000s when Bush-Cheney dragged us into two obscenely expensive wars, rammed through billions in unfunded tax breaks, deregulated Wall Street and gave us a massive prescription drug plan? 

Just wondering if you were using the words “socialist” and “marxist” to describe the administration back then. 

Republicans = Corporate Welfare Dependency and against any regulations that would prevent another financial meltdown. 

Can you Foxtards just try once — just ONCE — not to use your familiar whipping boys like Soros and Van Jones and ACORN in an argument. 

It’s like an intellectual crutch for you people. 

Thank you for the compliment, but I doubt I’m the smartest person here. I do know, however, that I have the ability to think for myself. Most people have that ability by the time they’re three or four years old. The trick is in not allowing people to take it away from you.

As for Iraq, I know the facts. I know that Democrats and Republicans gave the Chimp the power to lie us into war. I know how it went down. That’s how I’m able to tell truths that you never even knew existed.

You idiot.  I’m not watching some lame youtube that proves nothing.

Just below I linked to Bush’s signed letter where he killed Fannie Mae Reform – on the White House web site.

Says Rush Limpdick – the AM radio liar.

A House member in the minority cannot do jack shit. 

why, have they all left the Country?

Truth hurts, huh? Couldn’t you get “Fox!” in there a couple more times? Use intellectual crutches much, c’ser?

Don’t you just want to scrub him up – filthy hat – resembles a homeless person.  You can be fat and clean and pressed looking there big jerk! (thought he might be reading this for the accolades).

“I used to be a Republican!”

Uh huh. I’m Johne Wayne. ;)

Hey, have you heard about Obamas new war? The one in Africa? ROFL!

“The two companies are so-called government-sponsored enterprises,
created by Congress in 1938 Fannie) and 1970 (Freddie) to help more
Americans buy houses. Their mandate is to maintain a market for
mortgages – buying loans from banks, repackaging them as bonds, and
selling those securities to investors with a guarantee that they will be
paid. 

This makes lending more tempting for banks because Fannie
and Freddie take on risks like missed payments, defaults and swings in
interest rates.”

American
Nazi Party Declares Its Full Support For Occupy Wall Street’s “Courage”
And “Dedication” To “Fighting Judeo-Capitalist Bankers”……

Boom, winning!!

“New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae” was a 2002 story about how Bush took the ability to regulated away from Congress and then didn’t regulate? You get pleasure in being a dishonest person or are you an idiot?

“These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

Barney Frank is a Democrat. The country was controlled by Republicans. Do the math.

His Wikipedia page:

In 2003, while the ranking minority member on the Financial Services Committee, Frank opposed a Bush administration proposal, in response to accounting scandals, for transferring oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from Congress and the Department of Housing and Urban Development to a new agency that would be created within the Treasury Department. The proposal, supported by the head of Fannie Mae, reflected the administration’s belief that Congress “neither has the tools, nor the stature” for adequate oversight. Frank stated, “These two entities …are not facing any kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” In 2003, Frank also stated what has been called his “famous dice roll”:”I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness [in the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac] that we have in the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidised housing.”

Barney Frank won…we lost.

These OWS Maggots are the closest thing to ‘Shovel-Ready’ that OBAMO has ever come.

Please try to think. If you are trying to say that Congress failed to regulate, then you’re saying Republicans failed to regulate. If you are trying to say that the President failed to regulate, you are saying a Republican failed to regulate. Republicans controlled Congress until 2007 and the White House until 2009. Do the math.

You are kidding….right?

unbelivable

My, how you rightwingers hate Michael Moore’s guts. You can’t handle the fact that he’s one of the most accurate pundits in the room. I was down at Wall Street earlier today and things are back to ‘normal’. The crowds were incredible (3000-5000) plus tourists from the World Trade Memorial around the corner. Everyone was having a great time and the determination to continue is stronger than ever. You should listen to the Moore interview again, because Moore brilliantly states what’s happening on Wall Street and the rest of the country. There will be ten times the number of people out on the streets acorss the country within a week or two. OWS is actually started something that the current Tea Party should have done if they were an honest, intelligent group of people.  There’s nothing wrong with capitalism if it’s regulated by We the People and our representatives in Washington, but 90% of our politicans have been bought off – with Republicans it’s 100%! OWS is catching on because it’s about reforming the system that is now having a negative effect on the 99% of us. We’re headed for disaster unless things change.  I hope and pray that those of you who are still buying into the Fox, etc propaganda will raise yourselves, otherwise you’re going to be in for a rude awakening very shortly, even before November 2012. Thanks to our wonderful democratic principles and foundation, We the People of the United States will be heard and positive change will happen.

You know what’s great?

Reading Martel’s write-ups in a comparative fashion.

The blatant dismissive tone in regards to Beck vs the explanatory one for Moore.

You’re a hack Frances.

This site had potential to be truly even-handed, yet each month it mission creeps farther leftward. You are now ripe to be obliterated by a new competitor. Congrats on the fail Abrams. You’re now within a year of either having to blowout your writing pool or try and sell. I’m sure you’ll opt for the sellout.

Like Chris Christie

Hmm, it seems some right wing conservatives are a little threatened by Occupy Wall Street. Why is that?

I am sure you know he won an Oscar for best documentary in 2003 and his films are usually about the working class issues . He has written some related books I.e. “Stupid White Men”

Christie in his $2,000 suits,  wrinkle free, beautiful shirts and hair nicely combed and kept resembles Moore’s appearance ?

You think because someone is fat they have to look like they don’t care about their appearance at all?

No I am saying he would look like Chris Christie. You don’t have to give me a freaking lecture. I have seen how Christie dresses.

What is a Mandingo, something erotic?

Assuming there will ever be a “perp walk,” I would say the answer is no

Georgia still has chain gangs?

He just loves Black Walnut ice cream perhaps

sorry if I misunderstood.  Yes, if he cleaned up he would look like Christie (except Christie has this huggable quality and I can’t quite see Moore in that role).

I love all the teabaggers (michelle, Lala3, etc) spamming the anti-Jewish Nazi link in the OWS threads like they forget that neo-Nazis are Christians.

Hilarious.

Go ahead and say what you want about Michael Moore (I mean that. He is not my hero.) but he did hit that nail on the head. A perp walk is exactly what the OWS people want to see. That would be Fairness, Justice, and the American Way.  

Or maybe you think it wouldn’t. Just sayin’ that is what they are looking for.

Hey, idiot.
Michael Moore is not a George Clooney/Barbara Streisand celebrity, the kind who have “beauty” and talent. He is a celebrity because his is political.
He is too left wing for me, but you are the clueless one.
You write like Moore got famous by producing Avatar or something.  

Very, very racist. Incredibly racist.

From making documentaries. That means hiring lots of people, and paying them well.

No. That would be Bush for starting the baliout. Not sure when it ended, but it sure wasn’t Obama who thought it up and put it into action.

Why am I not surprised?

No! This lardass Moore is one of those people that you could put in $3000
Suits and $500 Shirts and he would still look like a f*n Bum.
Al Shopton, Tingle Matthews, Fat Ed Schultz come to mind also.
There are just some people you cannot clean up!

Now we don’t torture them. We just send in the drones on them. Say what you want about EIT, but KSM is still alive. And American Al-Awalki? Not so much. 

“enough?”
“9/11 coverup of bin Laden family ”

Yep. That says it all. 

I applaud your ability to deflect facts with your little brain. Outside of “Republicans are liars” and “Iraq war is expensive,” you really have no idea what the hell is going on.

You are a useful idiot.

Michael Moore does not make “Movies” or “Documentaries.”  Rather, Mr. Moore, by definition, produces contrived propaganda.  He incorporates a story line and a particular viewpoint to support his social/political ideology.

By contrast, National Geographic’s documentaries will slip in an occasional comment about “global warming” or, “green house gases,” yet, National Geo, can comfortably retain the “documentary” label.  Also, many movies have underlying and contemporary issues contained within.  However, the producer of those kind of films assumes the audience has a degree of sophistication, thus allowing for the consideration of new ideas or different contexts.  Ergo, the audience is, knowingly, there to see and hear something new and different.

As for Mr. Moore’s films:  For example, the film “Sicko” was produced with an intent, a purpose.  

Regarding “Sicko,”could you, or anyone else tell the rest of us what that “purpose” was/is?  Was the film a “documentary” or a Movie to entertain?  Or, was his film, “Propaganda?”

One more thing, as long as I have your attention.  I mentioned this the other day: There is a peculiar affliction for first semester students that I call “know-it-all-itis.”  Usually the malady arrives about half way through the first semester and the symptoms can include “unfounded conceit”  ”condescension,” “repressed anger,” and “re-emergent and false memory symptoms.”

“Sssh, be vewy, vewy qwiet, were hunting wabbits today!

Purveyor

Fairness, Justice and the American Way?  Exactly the reason’s that there shouldn’t be a “perp walk”.
What these demonstrators are doing is not the American Way.  

I don’t think anyone would classify neo-nazis as Christians.

Every documentary has some degree of propaganda in it. Even if it is a “scientific” presentation of how lions survive on the Serengeti plain. The documentarian chooses what scenes will tell the story and in doing so, he is editing the story in a way that presents his biases. Also, he cannot help but at least partially influence the action as the lions must know he is there sometimes.
And, yes, that documentarian wants to convince you that the Serengeti must be preserved exactly as it is.

Therefore, every documentary is propaganda.

I know you will recall that I have said there is white propaganda, which tells pure truth but it is still propaganda because it is intended to teach us what the documentarian wants to teach us.

You may have noticed that I said Michael Moore is not my hero. I do know that his documentaries are extremely biased, and I disagree with him on most of what he says and believes. Still, I could not let him be compared with a “celebrity” because celebrities are rather harmless. We know they are sincere but ineffective. MM is a propaganda doucmentarian. yes. I should have put it that way.

But then again, that is what Sara Palin has been, and had it done for her.

You should see my paper on Damned if You Do and Damned if You Don’t. It is about how Nike handled the charges that it exploited children and the general poverty in places like China, then Vietnam and Indonesia. American liberals attacked him for exploiting the children and adults (I did not), when in fact Nike was creating jobs for people who would have no jobs at all.

The surprise to many liberal Americans is that Nike over-reacted when the pressure was high enough, and denied jobs to “the old and the blind.” Sounds bad to make the blind work. Right? But in America, you get in trouble if you don’t hire the blind!

I side-stepped. Pakistan is where children and women were sewing together the outer skins of soccer balls for Nike. Liberal propaganda showed a dirty and bedraggled boy of about 12 sewing in a dirty alley. So, Nike banned that kind of work, which it turns out was not much different from an American 12 year old having a newspaper route. The kid was doing it on his own time, in his own home (or “yard”). He wasnt’ missing school or being watched over by a manager who made him work 12 hours straight in a sweat shop.
Pakistanis were angry as hell at Nike for treating them like backwards children!

By the way, you make another blind and bad assumption. I am finishing my second grad level certification, having completed my MBA and of course the B.S. in Poli Sci. I am no “first semester studen’t, but I do challenge my professors to see an additional side on occasion and get respect for it.

DS

It most certainly is.
The thing that I find to be most humorous is that the right has turned “anti-government” when it was the left that was anti-government in the past.
You are only pretending to hate “big government” because bigger government needs higher taxes to stay big. When it comes to defending the fat cats of Wall Street from being booed in public, you want cops all over the place with batons swinging.
This OWS thing will not turn into riots and killings. It will not do anything but bring public anger with a perversion of capitalism to the attention of politicians.
Wall Street is perverting capitalism by printing money out of thin air, but they don’t call it money and it doesn’t look like money. It is pieces of paper called CDSs and Derivatives. These are worthless, as we all have seen, but they have the same effect that Ron Paul is campaign against, and that is printing fiat money. 

He used his powerlessness to undercut reforms by going to the homebuilders, realtors and affordable housing lobbyists to put pressure on members of Congress to prevent reforms from going through.  btw, he’s still working with these lobbyists in the same manner due to the fact that we have been again warned that we are facing another housing related crisis within the next two years.

Regarding Republican control, they never, ever had the numbers in Congress the democrats had to advance their agenda.   They have never had a bullet proof Congress that would allow them to shove an unwanted healthcare bill or anything else down the throats of the public.   Anything they did had to have bipartisan support to get through to the President’s desk to be signed into law.

Quote: “bad and blind assumption.”  

I am and have been aware of your academic credentials.  Ergo, why would you conclude that I was referring to your CURRENT academic endeavors?  

I suppose, “know-it-all-itis” is not limited to freshman undergraduates?  Rather, “I suppose,” the affliction could re-manifest itself during the transition from under-Grad to Graduate level?  Even when changing minors and majors?  There does seem to be a period of time, “I suppose,” a premature assumed wisdom, that coincides with the first semester of any area of study?

The Cartoon “South Park” did an episode whereby first semester, Hippie types from CU Boulder, invaded the little mountain town.  All the Hippies had that curious self confidence, based on nothing, such that first semester student’s tend to possess.  The Cartoon character, Eric Cartman was charged with getting rid of the miscreants, unlike Mayor Bloomberg who can’t seem to do what is needed in New York.  LOL

Purveyor

One war, the WOT, it had two theaters, Obama has since added two more.  Tax breaks aren’t funded because the government does not have to pay people to keep their own money and the Treasury collected more after we were allowed to keep our money, our government spent more than it was taking in, as it would have tax breaks or not.  That prescription plan?  You mean the one the democrats objected to because they wanted it much bigger and more expensive?  That one?

The great Bush ‘deregulation’ myth

On July 31, 2002, declaring that free markets must not be a “financial free-for-all guided only by greed, he signed the Sarbanes-Oxley law, a sweeping overhaul of corporate fraud, securities, and accounting laws.  Among it tough provisions, the law created a new regulatory agency to oversee public accounting firms and auditors, and imposed an array of new requirements for financial reporting and corporate audits.  Whatever else might be said about Sarbanes-Oxley, it was no invitation to an uninhibited capitalist bacchanal.

Bush’s massive regulatory rollback is mostly urban legend.  Far from throwing out the rule book, the administration has expanded it.  Since Bush became president, the Federal Register–the government’s annual compendium of proposed and finalized regulations–has run to more that 74,000 pages every year but one.  During the Clinton years, by contrast, the Federal Register reached that length once.

http://www.jeffjacoby.com/602/the-great-bush-deregulation-myth

He increased the regulatory budget during his time in by 70% to enact 74,000 pages of regulations every year but one.  He did not deregulate, after the scandals brought by the enrons and other companies that collapsed in the first months of his presidency, he regulated…..big time.  Most of those CEOs were also brought to justice and are sitting in prison.  What’s Obama done to prosecute the so-called, Wall Street crimes?  Waiting until after he’s re-elected to go after them so it doesn’t threaten campaign contributions?

Does this idiot realize according to federal government guidlines and his net worth HE IS A ONE PERCENTER?

wrong

LindenArden,  Barney Frank rallied the realtor, homebuilders and affordable housing lobbiests to affect the reform progress.

Bush is no more responsible for the, ahem, Iraq War lies than the democrats and world leaders.  The Patriot Act was nothing more than an updated version of what was passed during Clinton’s term after the Oklahoma City bombing:

http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-29/news/power-over-the-people/

TARP was jointly worked on by both teams, Obama’s and Bush’s beginning November 25, 2008.  After the election Bush brought Obama and his team aboard, both made the TARP decisions.  Of the $700 billion in TARP funding, $267 billion was spent by Inauguration Day, the remaining funds were requested by candidate Obama to be released and ready for his first day and Bush asked the Senate to release the funds.

The prescription drug act was originally opposed by the democrats because it wasn’t big enough, they later turned around and used it as an election issue to broad beat the president.

Dubai Ports was set up by Bill Clinton, fancy that.

9/11 cover up of the bin Laden family is a Michael Moore myth.  No one was released to fly during the no fly order.  The bin Laden family was later checked, some were interrogated and released by Richard Clarke after it was determined they were not a threat.  They left two weeks after the flight ban was lifted.

We could only wish our yearly deficit’s are comparable to Bush’s 8 year deficit total, Obama blows through over a trillion a year, just set another record of over a trillion in deficit, it was published a couple of days ago.

Financial crisis, the path for the crisis was paved years ago and would have exploded during the term of whoever sat in the OO in 2008 and you know it.

Tax cuts grew Treasury revenues, it’s deficit spending that has to be done away with and Milton Friedman did not hate the Bush tax cuts:

On the Bush tax cuts:  “I am in favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances, and for any excuses, for any reason, whenever it’s possible.  The reason I am is because I believe the big problem is not taxes, the big problem is spending.  The question is, “how do you hold down government spending?”….”

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/2016.html

He was against the earned income tax credit.

The US attorneys were not fired for prosecuting Duke Cunningham, only one of the attorney’s prosecuted Cunningham, and, they all served at the pleasure of the president:

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070112-9999-1n12lam.html

So, it appears that you have a whole lot of nothing, you apparently enjoy fact free….typing.

Ask AliveStillKickin if I’m wrong.

Weren’t the wrapped up toxic mortgages pawned off as “derivatives”?

Yes. And Credit Default Swaps (CDS) are the specific  kind of derivatives in the mortgage mess. Derivatives have existed long before that, though. They are basically betting on how stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments, like mortgages, will go up or down.
 
They are derivatives because one does not actually buy the stock, bond, etc. I could buy a derivative that would pay me if a stock went below a certain price or above a certain price and it would not even matter that I never bought the stock itself. I am only gambling on the rise or fall, and the seller is doing the same. Nothing new was created, especially not goods or jobs.

Credit Default Swaps are another form of insurance, as is implied in the name. Say I Default . I supposedly had good Credit . The mortgage holder is not worried because he Swaped the risk out. He got somebody else to promise to pay for me. Of course I still get kicked out of my house because it wasn’t insuring me, it was insuring the mortgage holder. The mortgage holder can let the empty house sit there forever because he has lost nothing.

But the really big deal is that the original lender doesn’t care whether the borrower’s credit is good or not, and even has a reason to cheat and SAY the loan is good because someone else will be on the hook when the deal goes bad.  

Actually, I would very like to read your paper. The subject sounds painfully interesting. Also, I understand, very much so, the excitement of acquiring knowledge and then imparting such to others, and so on…

Do you know of any way that privacy can be maintained, yet, documents can be sent between us?

Purveyor

NO ITS NOT!  One thing you do not understand is the Bill of Rights, the Supreme Court, case law and History…

The Constitution and the first amendment refer to “peaceably assemble.”  And don’t even try to compare that rabble in New York to the Tea Party.

Yes! I must never box you in with all persons on the right, just as I must never be boxed in.

You see, I do believe that the Bill of Rights is protecting us,case law is protecting us, and the Supreme Court is doing its job, while some very paranoid people do not. They do not only fear Big Government, they fear All Government. They take to heart what Ronald Reagan said, “Government is not the solution. Government is the problem.” He did not mean that all government is a problem.  

As for the OWS protesters they ARE peaceably assembling. They are not rioting despite what some claim here, and especially despite what Glenn Beck predicts. The fact that they have not applied for permits and licenses and other red tape could be cause to say they are “violating the law,” but to forcibly disperse them and to arrest even one of them who is not violating any OTHER law, would be to deny all of them AND US freedom of speech and (peaceful) assembly. It would be just as easy to do the Same to the next TEA Party rally. First, deny them a license, then arrest them when they show up anyway. That is the Chinese way.

I have seen the accusations here that 100 or more people were arrested, but I have not seen that in any media report. Perhaps someone will provide me a link?

Even if a few dozen were arrested, it was probably for blocking streets, doorways, and so on. As far as I know, there are zero reports of actual violence against persons or police. In fact, those who want the protesters removed from the streets are attempting to violate their Bill of Rights rights.

All of this is withing the intent and the wording of the Constitution. At least that is what I say, though I may not ba scholar in that particular field.

Just so there is no mistake, I am a bit perturbed…  LOL

SEE,  I told you don’t understand case law.  Don’t feel bad, though, few people do.  However, you the capacity too understand, but, you haven’t immersed yourself, as have I.  I’ve devoted years of my life to the study of the philosophy of law.

I did not say they were rioting, even though they were, there is film footage right here on Mediaite showing a Police Officer being wrestled to the ground after having, allegedly, an AID’s tainted liquid thrown on him by a man suffering from AIDS.  Admittedly, and to your credit, you seem to wresting with the issue as the first part of your comment differs from the end.  Regardless if you don’t concede there is rioting, then that subject is moot!

Regarding case law, you and a plurality are under the false impression that FREE SPEECH is what ever you want it to be and that’s WRONG.  There are “time, place, and manner considerations” that have been adjudicated by way of a series of court cases.  Your speech cannot violate one of my liberties, hence “time, place, and ,manner.”  For instance, Frisby v. Brookfield, concluded abortion protesters cannot directly protest a Doctors house.  However, you seem to think that a church Mob could take over Frisby’s cul du sac under the guise of the 1st amendment. What about the owner of the NY Park?  It is a PRIVATE park, doesn’t the Owner have rights via the 14th amendments “due process clause?”  

What if a group of NAZI’s burned a flag on your lawn?  Would you join and protect their “freedom of speech?”  Of course not.  What happens when two liberties compete?  Something has to give.

Our civil liberties carry with them disturbances which must be balanced against the needs and functions of a vibrant and ongoing society.I am an expert in Con-Law, both history and interpretation.  Why do you find it so difficult to go—Hmm, I didn’t know that, I’ll have to ask Purveyor more about that?  Perhaps he could tell me about Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, or, Texas v. Johnson, all relevant SCOTUS cases?

Neutral principle tells me that “YOUR Ox would be gored” if the Wall Street Crew were forced to de camp?  That you are personally invested in the side of Wall Streeters.  Respectfully, try and look at such through the PRISM of NP?

YOUR FRIEND

I like how you automatically assume I think Bush is my “hero.”  Far from it.  He screwed the pooch on spending.  He gave Pelosi the gavel, something that, thankfully, the people decided was a bad idea less than four years after she got it.

But, of course, your prevalent use of personal attacks and name-calling already prove my point.

would Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank — for their role in demanding and profiting from guaranteed loans to un/under-qualified people, lead the walk?

Maxine Walters was among the most vocal in maintaining that ALL — even those who couldn’t (or wouldn’t) pay their loan, merited loan approval. She can march with Barney out front.

much akin to steroids in sports, until it is made illegal ‘the players’ are simply taking advantage while staying within the rules! The politicians permitted it (some, Maxine, Barney and others actively encouraged it)!

The POINT is, it DIDN’T succeed, and the Obama Administration “bullied” (to use a phrase Liberals seem to love) the OMB to approve the loan (after the Bush Administration TURNED DOWN the Solyndra loan request – two weeks before Obama took over) [http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-14/politics/30152962_1_loan-request-obama-bankruptcy-protection].

As to “pretty good track record”, I bring your attention to the California University system, which spent $10 million California Taxpayer dollars on a variety of “green energy” systems, like a wind turbine which can’t even power a SINGLE 60 watt light bulb [http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-build6-20110306,0,4909175.story]!

There’s NOTHING WRONG with so-called “Green” energy – except that the technology ISN’T THERE, yet (and the Government has NO BUSINESS risking Taxpayer Dollars on the DREAM that it MIGHT, SOMEDAY, be a viable alternative to proven, conventional power sources)!

the point is that the govt is always investing in technology development and research so that our country can move forward. It was the DOD that invested in computer tech, when Gates developed the MOUSE., The govt official rejected the MOUSE concept and Gates ran with it. It was the govt that invested in HIV reseach that developed the meds to allow people to live longer and prevent its spread. It is we the people who are constantly investing, because PRIVATEERS do not have the money or the WILL to develop new ideas when short term profits are on the horizon. It was govt scientists who wanted to communicate, that led to the development of the INTERNET. Of course, we the taxpayers invest in the NEW AND occuasionally the projects fail, but it is GOVT FUNDING, RESEARCH GRANTS AD INFINITUM THAT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE. One failure out of 10, is 90% recovery results and that is an A for success.