I guess the right wingers go this one right also…

More stupidity from the government. These warriors risked their lives going after UBL for years. So what does a bloated and incompetent government do…virtually out them for political capital by exploiting the operation.

This White House just cannot keep their mouths shut.

Biden opened the gate by outting the Adm in charge of the Seals….then it was one-up-man-ship from the rest of those goon’s.

They have done everything so poorly that the have to take a success and enlarge it trying to divert attention…BUT IT WON’T Work.

The Blabbermouth -in-chief strikes again .
Grab the credit , damn the consequences .

Penalized for spiking the football?

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I will say that Barry as far as I can tell has never mentioned the Seals or specifically Seal Team 6 as the ones who took out UBL. Instead he has appropriately referred to them as “special forces” operatives or something to that affect.

Compare that to Leon Panetta, Biden and the WH security adviser who have repeatedly referred to the operatives as Seals or Seal Team 6.

so they won’t release the OBL photos, but they can’t keep the lid on the Seal teams identities….?

that is bad. very bad.

and now they are saying their is video of the entire take down? i thought people were originally saying there was a 25 minute black out? this story constantly changes.

BOX of ROX, I’d love your thoughts on this, since you had a total melt down when I said it earlier. Apology accepted.

Gotten Baracked ?

SEAL Team 6 has .

Lantern, can I get those through Ticketmaster?

The Lantern of Truth said:
The Blabbermouth -in-chief strikes again .
Grab the credit , damn the consequences .

People that spike the football should suffer a penalty.

You won the ticket contest just by asking . First prize : two tickets .
Second prize : Four tickets .

It’s like watching one of those acts where they dress a parrot in a tux, then have it ride a little bicycle. The parrot has no idea what’s going on, but you laugh anyway.

The good seats are in the back , of course .

sarainitaly said:
and now they are saying their is video of the entire take down?

That could be a problem if some fool decides to charge them with murder in an international tribunal.

These liberals just can’t keep their mouths shut. The soldier’s were told to be humble, but Obama is running around campaigning with Bin Laden and spiking the football everywhere he can.

See “Bin Laden death now part of Obama’s re-elect message” at http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/10/news/la-pn-bin-laden-obama-reelect–20110510

I prefer to be up front with a basket of produce.

sarainitaly said:
this story constantly changes.

This White House is much like a Broken Clock that is right twice a day.

The WH has told so many stories…one of them is bound to be right…more likely one would have to assemble the “TRUTH” from pieces of the numerous stories they have told.

Impeach Obama for putting his own personal ego and misguided political expediency ahead of the safety, well being and very lives of the brave men & their families that actually put their lives on the line that fateful day.

And to think this narcissistic, muslim jackass has his finger on the red button.

Bite me Jon Stewart….

Since when do you righties give a crap about outting people and endangering their lives? Valerie Plame.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
*

Valerie Plame.

Yes, here husband should have never taken that desk job woman to all the DC parties and introduced her as his wife who “works at the CIA.”

Azarkhan said:
That could be a problem if some fool decides to charge them with murder in an international tribunal.

Oh, those charges will go about as far as the Cheney indictment. (Google it).

notsofast said:
Yes, here husband should have never taken that desk job woman to all the DC parties and introduced her as his wife who “works at the CIA.”

‘Works at’ and ‘is a deep cover agent of’ are different.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
‘Works at’ and ‘is a deep cover agent of’ are different.

LOL

So an agent working at a desk job in DC is ” a deep cover agent?”

Barwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
Oh, those charges will go about as far as the Cheney indictment.

Ask the CIA men who Holder is looking to prosecute!

You know…the ones who Water Boarded 3 men and let them live…as opposed to the current policy of our President “The Killing Machine” Obama, who does not believe in taking a Prisoner.

Heck of a job, Baracky!

notsofast said:
LOL

So an agent working at a desk job in DC is ” a deep cover agent?”

Barwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

‘Brewster Jennings Valerie Plame’

The idiots in Washington have never gotten anything right yet so why would we expect them to get this right. Only this time these fools have placed the lives of soldiers and their families in really serious danger. Obama just had to crow to the world LOOK I killed OBL when Bush couldnt. Stupidity at its highest level.

Every day this bunch proves they are not fit to lead anything much less the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

Oh and when you get your facts right regarding outing of Valerie Plame feel free to come back and talk about it. In the mean time think about this. EVEN if it was Republicans that outed her, do you honestly put that on the same level as what the Idiot in Chief has done to Seal Team 6 and their families, their futures? Get real buddy, and please grow up. If anything happens to a single one of these guys and or their families Obama and Biden should go to prison for life.

Obimbo should have made the one statement and then called for a complete blackout of any further information. Instead, the more peacock-laps this clown took the more the rest of the morons took that to mean talking about it wasn’t that off limits. Kinda like the stupid leading the moronic.

BatBoy said:
Ask the CIA men who Holder is looking to prosecute!

You know…the ones who Water Boarded 3 men and let them live…as opposed to the current policy of our President “The Killing Machine” Obama, who does not believe in taking a Prisoner.

He’s not going after the agents. He’s going after the criminals who OK’ed it. Ask McCain.

sarainitaly said:
and now they are saying their is video of the entire take down? i thought people were originally saying there was a 25 minute black out? this story constantly changes.

I think there’s some confusion between what was recorded and what was transmitted. The cams have flash memory that should have gotten everything from each member’s cam. What was being transmitted to the WH is another matter. There has been some suggestion that they were watching a feed from an overhead drone, in which case they wouldn’t have seen what was going on inside the house.

Either way, we really shouldn’t know about any of this. Loose lips sink ships.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
He’s not going after the agents. He’s going after the criminals who OK’ed it. Ask McCain.

These SEALs will be thrilled to hear that, I’m sure.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
‘Brewster Jennings Valerie Plame’

Aldrich Ames Valerie Plame.

Bill Harlow Valerie Plame.

Fair Game Washington Post.

O-Slob-On-My-Knob Obama couldn’t keep his mouth shut…lol

Where are all the RIGTHIES that were demanding to see the PHOTOS?

All quiet…..until they get their Talking Points/Orders…….

Photos are not operational details, nitwit.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
Oh, those charges will go about as far as the Cheney indictment

For what, son?

It wasn’t he who outed the already outed Valarie Plame. Her husband leaked her identity plenty of times before the Novak article.

Pablo said:
I think there’s some confusion between what was recorded and what was transmitted. The cams have flash memory that should have gotten everything from each member’s cam. What was being transmitted to the WH is another matter. There has been some suggestion that they were watching a feed from an overhead drone, in which case they wouldn’t have seen what was going on inside the house.

Either way, we really shouldn’t know about any of this. Loose lips sink ships.

ah, that makes sense. thx pablo!

grafxmail7 said:
grafxmail7 says:
May 13, 2011 at 1:31 pm grafxmail7(Quote)

The more I think of you, the less I think of you.

Your mouth is so big, you eat bananas sideways, son.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
‘Brewster Jennings Valerie Plame’

A retired Army general says the man at the center of the CIA leak controversy, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, revealed wife Valerie Plame’s identity in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was “outed” by the White House through a columnist.

Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely said that Wilson mentioned Plame’s status as a CIA operative in at least three, possibly five, separate conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel’s “green room” in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts.

Vallely and Wilson both were contracted by Fox News to discuss the war on terror as the U.S. faced off with Iraq in the run-up to the spring 2003 invasion.

Vallely says, according to his recollection, the first time Wilson mentioned his wife’s job was around February or March of 2002 more than a year before Robert Novak’s July 14, 2003, column identified her, citing senior administration officials, as “an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction.”

“He was rather open about his wife working at the CIA,” said Vallely, who retired in 1991 as the Army’s deputy commanding general in the Pacific.”

Vallely said, citing CIA colleagues, that in addition to his conversations with Wilson, the ambassador was proud to introduce Plame at cocktail parties and other social events around Washington as his CIA wife.

“That was pretty common knowledge,” he said. “She’s been out there on the Washington scene many years.”

If Plame were a covert agent at the time, Vallely said, “he would not have paraded her around as he did.”

Azarkhan says:
May 13, 2011 at 1:02 pm (Quote)

sarainitaly said:
and now they are saying their is video of the entire take down?
***********

That could be a problem if some fool decides to charge them with murder in an international tribunal.
**********

There will not charges of murder in an international tribunal against the Navy Seals, after all doesn’t the buck stop at the president’s desk and wasn’t Obama the one taking the victory tour claiming to the world ” I got Osama” and then oh yes, the witnesses the Obots, who swear it was Obama who got Osama because he is the one who gave the go ahead and pressed the kill button on Osama.

I know it is soooo confusing Obama/Osama, who killed who and who got killed

The evidence would only implicate one person Barack Hussein Obama II

Pablo said:
Photos are not operational details, nitwit.

Oh, I see. That makes it OK, then, douchebag?

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
He’s going after the criminals who OK’ed it.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/05/12/group-gop-senators-calls-obama-end-interrogation-investigations

Try dealing in some facts for a change!

grafxmail7 said:
Where are all the RIGTHIES that were demanding to see the PHOTOS?

So AlanDershowitz is now a Righty?

Bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

grafxmail7 said:
Oh, I see. That makes it OK, then, douchebag?

Yes, it does.

notsofast said:
So AlanDershowitz is now a Righty?

As is Jon Stewart.

ooh, the poor transparent WH is at it again:

Carney Ducks off Camera for Today’s Briefing

by Keith Koffler on May 13, 2011, 1:09 pm

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney today turned off the briefing room lights to address reporters in an unusual off camera gaggle, taking some of the spotlight off the White House as its senior Middle East peace negotiator resigns and questions arise over whether too much information has come out about the SEAL 6 raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

Beyond that, Carney may be a bit weary. He’s briefed on camera three times this week already, and he edgily noted as he departed today’s gaggle that he had to cut the 11:35 am session short because he had a “a 12 o’clock meeting with one of my many bosses.”

Carney would not confirm the then-breaking news that Middle East envoy George Mitchell, who was at the White House, was there to tender his resignation. But Carney didn’t deny it and said a written presidential statement would be released

Translation: The media should shut the f*ck up. This is why they kept you out of the loop on the entire operation!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The media should shut the f*ck up.

No, Biden, Panette and the WH should STFU.

grafxmail7 said:
Where are all the RIGTHIES that were demanding to see the PHOTOS?

I still believe that the incompetent government should release the photos of UBL. The taxpayers have a right to see the results, and if individuals don’t want to view then they don’t have to.

But seeing photos of a dead UBL isn’t the same as outing these warriors.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
Translation: The media should shut the f*ck up. This is why they kept you out of the loop on the entire operation!

Nice try UNreasonable lib, but the media can’t report what they aren’t given by the admin. The info came from somewhere.

While we can all agree that Obama and his skeezer old lady are loathsome scumbag racists, Biden is just plain stupid, and now it seems that his stupidity has caused angst in the families of the service people that he and Obama hate so much. These people are beneath contempt.

Winning, Biden is just bitter because in the cache of Bin Laden materials seized, he found out that BL didn’t think he was worth the time to kill. Now that’s gotta sting.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Winning, Biden is just bitter because in the cache of Bin Laden materials seized, he found out that BL didn’t think he was worth the time to kill. Now that’s gotta sting.

Yeah, Beck was at the top of UBL’ list!

Liberal Tormentor said:
Winning, Biden is just bitter because in the cache of Bin Laden materials seized, he found out that BL didn’t think he was worth the time to kill. Now that’s gotta sting.

The weird part is that they determined this by reading the US Constitution and actually understanding what it means, which tells us that the enemy is better educated in American civics than most progressives.

notsofast said:
For what, son?

It wasn’t he who outed the already outed Valarie Plame. Her husband leaked her identity plenty of times before the Novak article.

No, not that, son. Google it. Texas court.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
No, not that, son. Google it. Texas court.

No, you provide it; you brought it up, son

Liberal Tormentor said:
The_Reasonable_Lib says:
Translation: The media should shut the f*ck up. This is why they kept you out of the loop on the entire operation!

Nice try UNreasonable lib, but the media can’t report what they aren’t given by the admin. The info came from somewhere.

Seriously? Can you get past your partisan idiocy to see that it’s best for this stuff to stay under wraps for the sake of these people’s families? God you’re stupid. Does it honestly matter where it came from? Who’s reporting all of this? Please tell me!

Liberal Tormentor said:
BOX of ROX, I’d love your thoughts on this, since you had a total melt down when I said it earlier. Apology accepted.

I also said it days ago. I asked why we were being privy to any of the info gathered (computers, etc).

This is why O is beyond beatable.

notsofast said:
No, you provide it; you brought it up, son

http://www.google.com/search?q=cheney+indicted&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Son.

It is the right wing propaganda machine that is demanding to see photos and validation of the mission – out of some bizarre snuff porn sickness that could endanger our troops.

The hateriots on the right love to use our troops as props and slogans but when the chips fall so do the men and women who serve – all because they are nothing more than play things to the vile right.

If it helps elect Rs they don’t care who is harmed. Look at the right’s glee at outing a serving CIA operative, Valerie Plame, because her husband was perceived as anti-bush. National security means nothing to the right other than campaign lies.

Pablo said:
I think there’s some confusion between what was recorded and what was transmitted. The cams have flash memory that should have gotten everything from each member’s cam. What was being transmitted to the WH is another matter. There has been some suggestion that they were watching a feed from an overhead drone, in which case they wouldn’t have seen what was going on inside the house.

Either way, we really shouldn’t know about any of this. Loose lips sink ships.

http://www.therightscoop.com/levin-talks-with-former-special-ops-caller-about-bin-laden-raid/

This was the day I said everyone should shutup about everything coming out of their mouths.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Can you get past your partisan idiocy to see that it’s best for this stuff to stay under wraps for the sake of these people’s families?

What a childish fool you are. Just where do you think the media is getting its info from.

Talk about a partisan hack, you are the epitome.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Seriously? Can you get past your partisan idiocy to see that it’s best for this stuff to stay under wraps for the sake of these people’s families? God you’re stupid. Does it honestly matter where it came from? Who’s reporting all of this? Please tell me!

Dude – All the person is saying is that the President controls the messaging, which he does.

Simple as that. That’s not being partisan. That’s being practical.

Timothy Wright said:
It is the right wing propaganda machine that is demanding to see photos and validation of the mission – out of some bizarre snuff porn sickness that could endanger our troops.

Son, that’s totally off topic.

Nice try. Gates is talking about people talking to the media.

“Apparently, during that fateful Sunday night, everyone in the Situation Room agreed that no information about the mission should go public. Obviously, that plan went up in the air pretty quickly. Those leaks now have members of SEAL Team 6 concerned for their safety and, primarily, the safety of their family.”

notsofast said:
What a childish fool you are. Just where do you think the media is getting its info from.

Talk about a partisan hack, you are the epitome.

+1

UNreasonable lib says:

Can you get past your partisan idiocy to see that it’s best for this stuff to stay under wraps for the sake of these people’s families?

Um, that’s what’s we’ve been saying. Sure the media reports it, but it’s the OBAMA admin leaking it! You aren’t giving him ANY of the criticism. You are the partisan hack here!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Seriously? Can you get past your partisan idiocy to see that it’s best for this stuff to stay under wraps for the sake of these people’s families? God you’re stupid. Does it honestly matter where it came from? Who’s reporting all of this? Please tell me!

It’s coming from the source; the Obama Administration. If they don’t put it out there, there wouldn’t be anything to report on. This is really simple. I figured even you would figure it out.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cheney+indicted&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Son.

Wow, you have gone through the” Looking Glass”, son. Don’t ya have something on Roswell or the JFK assassination?

You’re giving him WAY too much credit, Pablo.

Liberal Tormentor said:
UNreasonable lib says:

Can you get past your partisan idiocy to see that it’s best for this stuff to stay under wraps for the sake of these people’s families?

Um, that’s what’s we’ve been saying. Sure the media reports it, but it’s the OBAMA admin leaking it! You aren’t giving him ANY of the criticism. You are the partisan hack here!

The person who posts such lies as the health care bill funds abortion has the audacity to call me a partisan hack? LAUGHABLE! What is the point of a leak with nobody to report on it? Who is vying for the information? Who is stressing the release of information? I’m not saying that the administration is not at fault, but I am saying that the media is the driving force.

Timothy Wright said:
It is the right wing propaganda machine that is demanding to see photos and validation of the mission – out of some bizarre snuff porn sickness that could endanger our troops.

Really? The right wing propaganda machine is an awfully big tent. Or, you’re an idiot. One of the two.

Pablo said:
It’s coming from the source; the Obama Administration. If they don’t put it out there, there wouldn’t be anything to report on. This is really simple. I figured even you would figure it out.

You’re insulting my intelligence? That’s funny. Just yesterday i clearly laid out the circumstances surrounding Assata Shakur’s conviction including New Jersey law and in the face of that you went into troll mode and called an analogy a straw man on the basis of “we’re not talking about oliver north”. Moron.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110513/ap_on_re_us/us_us_libya

Good news for you warmongering liberals/ neocons. The White House just announced that we will be involved in Libya indefinitely, or at least until Ghaddafi is gone.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The_Reasonable_Lib says:
May 13, 2011 at 2:47 pm The_Reasonable_Lib(Quote)

Nice try, you lib hack.

gates is talking about leaks from Barry’s govt:

“Apparently, during that fateful Sunday night, everyone in the Situation Room agreed that no information about the mission should go public. Obviously, that plan went up in the air pretty quickly. Those leaks now have members of SEAL Team 6 concerned for their safety and, primarily, the safety of their family.”

Hubba, hubba!

Lick your wounds, son!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The person who posts such lies as the health care bill funds abortion has the audacity to call me a partisan hack? LAUGHABLE! What is the point of a leak with nobody to report on it? Who is vying for the information? Who is stressing the release of information? I’m not saying that the administration is not at fault, but I am saying that the media is the driving force.

I’d say the media consumer is the driving force. Both left and right, wanting their info.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
That’s funny. Just yesterday i clearly laid out the circumstances surrounding Assata Shakur’s conviction including New Jersey law

Yep, son, back to your favorite racism rant, eh.

LOL

You are so predictable.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The person who posts such lies as the health care bill funds abortion has the audacity to call me a partisan hack? LAUGHABLE! What is the point of a leak with nobody to report on it? Who is vying for the information? Who is stressing the release of information? I’m not saying that the administration is not at fault, but I am saying that the media is the driving force.

So conservative news outlets are putting out in-depth info that is gathered from the UBL raid? Not likely. Primarily it’s liberal news outlets. If it wasn’t such a life and death issue, it’d be quite funny.

The information that is given out is granted by the Obama administration. Anything else is just the press doing its job for its stockholders. Thankfully, liberal news outlets are losing viewership and eventually will be gone. New media is the rage!

Timothy Wright said:
It is the right wing propaganda machine that is demanding to see photos and validation of the mission – out of some bizarre snuff porn sickness that could endanger our troops.

The hateriots on the right love to use our troops as props and slogans but when the chips fall so do the men and women who serve – all because they are nothing more than play things to the vile right.

If it helps elect Rs they don’t care who is harmed. Look at the right’s glee at outing a serving CIA operative, Valerie Plame, because her husband was perceived as anti-bush. National security means nothing to the right other than campaign lies.

Mean while, the Obama administration has been leaking info about the NSW team. It’s gotten so bad, these guys are afraid for the lives of their families.

Mas Liberty5 said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110513/ap_on_re_us/us_us_libya

Good news for you warmongering liberals/ neocons. The White House just announced that we will be involved in Libya indefinitely, or at least until Ghaddafi is gone.

So when do we go into Syria? That’s why there is no bump to Obama’s numbers.

WCinWI said:
So conservative news outlets are putting out in-depth info that is gathered from the UBL raid? Not likely. Primarily it’s liberal news outlets. If it wasn’t such a life and death issue, it’d be quite funny.

The information that is given out is granted by the Obama administration. Anything else is just the press doing its job for its stockholders. Thankfully, liberal news outlets are losing viewership and eventually will be gone. New media is the rage!

Did I say that? No! read again, notsosmart. I said “media”
Yes, losing viewership which is why ratings have been going up. New media outlets like huffingtonpost and drudge report? Which one of those has more traffic by the way?

“Apparently, during that fateful Sunday night, everyone in the Situation Room agreed that no information about the mission should go public. Obviously, that plan went up in the air pretty quickly. Those leaks now have members of SEAL Team 6 concerned for their safety and, primarily, the safety of their family.”

Gates

So UNreasonable lib, who does he seem to think is as fault? Put down the Kool-aid, you’re drunk and incoherent.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Did I say that? No! read again, notsosmart. I said “media”
Yes, losing viewership which is why ratings have been going up. New media outlets like huffingtonpost and drudge report? Which one of those has more traffic by the way?

What ratings have been going up? Didn’t you see Mediaite’s Mogulite mention of Washington Post and trying to pass it off on Kaplan? Drudge has a larger aggregate share. It’s like the #3 news site that people check out.

You might want to talk to notsosmart yourself next time if you had questions for him. Sheesh.

Liberal Tormentor said:
“Apparently, during that fateful Sunday night, everyone in the Situation Room agreed that no information about the mission should go public. Obviously, that plan went up in the air pretty quickly. Those leaks now have members of SEAL Team 6 concerned for their safety and, primarily, the safety of their family.”

Gates

So UNreasonable lib, who does he seem to think is as fault? Put down the Kool-aid, you’re drunk and incoherent.

And who has been putting the pressure on them? Who has been urging the release of information and complaining about transparency? Did you even read what I wrote?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
And who has been putting the pressure on them? Who has been urging the release of information and complaining about transparency? Did you even read what I wrote?

So the media has more power for decisions than the President? Wow. What a twisted way of thinking.

This is the Obama administration’s fault. Bush would get the fault in the same predicament, hence it’s not a partisan attack. You should really just stop trying to defense something indefensible.

Yeah, I’m sure the Unreasonable Lib put on quite a defense for the “poet” Common yesterday.

But look at how Whoopi Goldberg blasted Sherri Shepard and Jill Scott, the other Racist” Barry invited to the WH.

It is quite remarkable:

http://www.dawnali.com/lovinmysistas/index.php?topic=3960.msg31883;topicseen

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
And who has been putting the pressure on them? Who has been urging the release of information and complaining about transparency?

And just who said he would have the most transparent presidency ever?

LOL

UNreasonable lib, it doesn’t matter if they were getting pressure or not. They are supposed to be the adults in the room and should’ve said they wouldn’t release info that would put our military in danger. But they were more interested in spiking the football and patting themselves on the back.

Now, don’t you have a final in Why liberals dislike the American military 101 to study for?

WCinWI said:
What ratings have been going up? Didn’t you see Mediaite’s Mogulite mention of Washington Post and trying to pass it off on Kaplan? Drudge has a larger aggregate share. It’s like the #3 news site that people check out.

You might want to talk to notsosmart yourself next time if you had questions for him. Sheesh.

Don’t you judge CNN as “liberal”? How have their ratings been doing lately? Your example of “liberal media outlets” is the Washington Post? What are you talking about? Prove yourself, notsosmart.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Your example of “liberal media outlets” is the Washington Post?

How about these , son?

NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Salon, Slate, Time, Newsweek, Mother Jones, Rolling Stone, The View, HP, Vanity Fair, Village Voice, The Nation, The Atlantic,the Boston Globe,Chicago Sun-Times,The New Republic,The Seattle Times, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Media Matters, The New Yorker, et al.

Liberal Tormentor said:
UNreasonable lib, it doesn’t matter if they were getting pressure or not. They are supposed to be the adults in the room and should’ve said they wouldn’t release info that would put our military in danger. But they were more interested in spiking the football and patting themselves on the back.

Now, don’t you have a final in Why liberals dislike the American military 101 to study for?

Wait. So you admit that the media is the driving force behind this? Thank you. Now let’s move on. Do you have any proof of your assertion? No, it’s opinion. What I have said is a matter of public record. Now you don’t know from who or where the leaked information is coming from or whether they have tried to stop it. You’re going off of your own partisan beliefs that they’re trying to score points from this. Thus you prove my point that you are nothing more than a partisan hack.

Now don’t you have some hatred to spread to your “liberal friends”? Have you told them you hate them yet?

Gates is a VERY careful man. It is very telling that he felt need to do this forcefully and publicly.

It’s ironic that the one time the Admin should shut up, they sing like canaries, but when they should provide transparency, the American people get the finger.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Don’t you judge CNN as “liberal”? How have their ratings been doing lately? Your example of “liberal media outlets” is the Washington Post? What are you talking about? Prove yourself, notsosmart.

CNN can now officially claim itself as Obama’s puppet organization and I wait the storyline where Soros is the person funding CNN, given Zakaria’s recent admission.

CNN got a bump because they get access to more televisions. They’re also the “go to” for any sort of non-partisan coverage when it comes to flooding, the OBL killing, etc.. If you can show me a maintained increase in viewership over a longer time period, then they’ll gain credibility. Otherwise, they’re merely the casual station that no one watches.

The Wash. Post is BEYOND Lefty.

UNreasonable lib says:
Wait. So you admit that the media is the driving force behind this?

To quote you, did you even read what I wrote? It was Obama’s need to spike the football and pat himself on the back that was the driving force. The liberal media are just willing accomplices to his ignorance, per usual. You are the partisan hack here.

notsofast said:
How about these , son?

NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Salon, Slate, Time, Newsweek, Mother Jones, Rolling Stone, The View, HP, Vanity Fair, Village Voice, The Nation, The Atlantic,the Boston Globe,Chicago Sun-Times,The New Republic,The Seattle Times, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Media Matters, The New Yorker, et al.

Add the Daily Beast and Newsweek. And the ReidReport and the Grigio.

it is not a drip drip leaking of intel… it’s a gusher…

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Wait. So you admit that the media is the driving force behind this?

No she didn’t. Try again.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
BushClintonCrimeFamily says

After Indicting Cheney & Ex-AG Gonzales, DA is No-Show in Court Today

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/after_indicting_cheney_ex-ag_gonzales_da_is_no-show_in_court_today/

Indictments dropped:

A judge dismissed indictments against Vice President Dick Cheney and former Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales on Monday and chastised the southern Texas prosecutor who brought the case.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/02/nation/na-cheney2

The bottom line, UNreasonable, is OBAMA’S OWN SECDEF admitted they screwed up, yet you are still defending him. Doesn’t his water get heavy?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You’re insulting my intelligence? That’s funny. Just yesterday i clearly laid out the circumstances surrounding Assata Shakur’s conviction including New Jersey law and in the face of that you went into troll mode and called an analogy a straw man on the basis of “we’re not talking about oliver north”. Moron.

No, sweetie. You made unsupported assertions.

WCinWI said:
Add the Daily Beast and Newsweek. And the ReidReport and the Grigio.

Grio, not Grigio. I was thinking of Ramona Singer’s favorite drink (Real Housewives of NY)

:)

That Barry, he just has to spike the football.

notsofast, remember not to say he spiked the basketball, or Tommy will call us racists.

Timothy Wright said:
It is the right wing propaganda machine that is demanding to see photos and validation of the mission – out of some bizarre snuff porn sickness that could endanger our troops.

When I hear something this bizarre, it’s usually the sign of people projecting their own faults and inadequacies.

As for the reason I would like to see the photos released, I want the Arab “street” to see them, I want every scum that ever thought of taking pot shots at Americans to see their hero with brains coming out of holes in his head courtesy of America.

Liberal Tormentor said:
notsofast, remember not to say he spiked the basketball, or Tommy will call us racists.

Yes, thanks for that link- I have added them to my bookmarks.

BTW, watch this video of Whoopi. It’s only 4 minutes.

She gives a smack down to our lib racist pals.

http://www.dawnali.com/lovinmysistas/index.php?topic=3960.msg31883;topicseen

WCinWI said:
Grio, not Grigio. I was thinking of Ramona Singer’s favorite drink (Real Housewives of NY)

:)

a fan of real housewives AND justin bieber? i’m beginning to get a better picture of you.

Rio said:
After Indicting Cheney & Ex-AG Gonzales, DA is No-Show in Court Today

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/after_indicting_cheney_ex-ag_gonzales_da_is_no-show_in_court_today/

Indictments dropped:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/02/nation/na-cheney2

Indicted by a Grand Jury. Fox News Channel ignored it. Seems like news to me. But, back to my point; the investigations of the CIA officials who tortured will go the way of this indictment.

winning said:
When I hear something this bizarre, it’s usually the sign of people projecting their own faults and inadequacies.

As for the reason I would like to see the photos released, I want the Arab “street” to see them, I want every scum that ever thought of taking pot shots at Americans to see their hero with brains coming out of holes in his head courtesy of America.

i’m would like to see the pictures for the same reason as stephen colbert…what to make my holloween costume look like.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
the investigations of the CIA officials who tortured will go the way of this indictment

Why not just Drop them today…save everyone some $$…unless you want to use the law to make a point.

RE: “CIA officials who tortured” it never happened…., besides the enhanced interrigation did produce some results, per the Obama administration officials.

Now the WH just Kills them….don’t need to worry about water boarding that way….way to go President “The Killing Machine” Obama.

notsofast said:
Yes, thanks for that link- I have added them to my bookmarks.

BTW, watch this video of Whoopi. It’s only 4 minutes.

She gives a smack down to our lib racist pals.

http://www.dawnali.com/lovinmysistas/index.php?topic=3960.msg31883;topicseen

i saw your post from yesterday, even in response to that vile crap, for you to say…”Sorry, son, Barry was raised by white people! White people!

He must thank God everyday for that else wise, he would be a loser like you are.

White people, son!”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sarah-palin-white-house-so-lacking-of-class-and-decency-with-commons-invite/comment-page-8/#comment-459289

that is some racist shit dude!

Obama has taken this victory, which belonged to all Americans, and turned it into an unmittigated failure for himself and the rest of us.  He is just like Yasser Arrafat.  Not only does BO have his birthday, he shares Yasser’s knack for, ‘having never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity’.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
a fan of real housewives AND justin bieber? i’m beginning to get a better picture of you.

Uhhh I’ve never stated that I have liked Bieber nor do I think that I have ever mentioned Bieber.

I’m more Carrie Underwood than Common. :)

Anyone remember this gem?….

THE REAL ROYAL KING says:
May 2, 2011 at 9:41 am THE REAL ROYAL KING(Quote)
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The news folks are a bit surprised this was a truly covert operation. It’s been many years, several administrations since we have gone leak-proof. Undoubtedly one of the reasons for the success of the mission.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/david-gregory-bin-ladens-death-is-reminder-of-how-little-we-know-what-govt-is-up-to/

Cecelia said:
Anyone remember this gem?….

THE REAL ROYAL KING says:
May 2, 2011 at 9:41 am THE REAL ROYAL KING(Quote)
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The news folks are a bit surprised this was a truly covert operation. It’s been many years, several administrations since we have gone leak-proof. Undoubtedly one of the reasons for the success of the mission.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/david-gregory-bin-ladens-death-is-reminder-of-how-little-we-know-what-govt-is-up-to/

and if anyone released the information before the operation he would probably be wrong and then you could have mocked him.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
But, back to my point; the investigations of the CIA officials who tortured will go the way of this indictment

The investigations could be dropped right now.

Just think – the NBBP got away, those investigationwere droppped, despite the video, audio, guns, intimidation, etc…..but the CIA guys, who were already cleared, are under investigation again.

In this Obama admin:

water boarding is not good
assassination is good

go figure.

Surprise! Team Obama is a bunch of know-nothing amateurs, and has been from day one. I have been saying precisely this since the story first broke, that the president and his “security advisers” have been playing the Bin Laden takedown for the political value and not as a serious operation. This operation should have been closely held, on a need-to-know basis (and no, blabbermouth Joe Biden did not need to know), and nothing about it should have been made public until the information obtained was exploited. Team 6′s participation should NEVER have been made public in any case.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
and if anyone released the information before the operation he would probably be wrong and then you could have mocked him.

Oh, no, I’m mocking him, now considering that Gates said they were putting lives at risk the day after (when there was political hay to be made).

Cecelia said:
Oh, no, I’m mocking him, now considering that Gates said they were putting lives at risk the day after (when there was political hay to be made).

well, at least you’re not being petty.

While pretty much everyone that has commented here uses the “Left vs Right”argument in discussing this issue, I would like to come at it from a different POV. If anyone here is familiar with Pat Tillman, you know that he gave up a football career to join the Army’s elite. While serving overseas, he found out things the military was doing that were blatantly illegal and declared that when he returned state-side he would tell the media and anyone else who would listen to him….. shortly after he made these comments he was killed by so-called “friendly fire”.
Your government knew exactly what it was doing when it “leaked”the events surrounding the so-called raid. I would not be very surprised to hear sometime in the future that members of ST6 have been “murdered”.

Can government do anything right?
You would think keeping names secret would be easy.
These are the same clowns the left wants to leave our health care in charge of.
unbelievable!

BatBoy said:
Why not just Drop them today…save everyone some $$…unless you want to use the law to make a point.

RE: “CIA officials who tortured” it never happened…., besides the enhanced interrigation did produce some results, per the Obama administration officials.

Now the WH just Kills them….don’t need to worry about water boarding that way….way to go President “The Killing Machine” Obama.

Like you’re against killing terrorists, please. And per your boy McCain, no results from torture (waterboarding).

Snidely said:
Surprise! Team Obama is a bunch of know-nothing amateurs, and has been from day one. I have been saying precisely this since the story first broke, that the president and his “security advisers” have been playing the Bin Laden takedown for the political value and not as a serious operation. This operation should have been closely held, on a need-to-know basis (and no, blabbermouth Joe Biden did not need to know), and nothing about it should have been made public until the information obtained was exploited. Team 6’s participation should NEVER have been made public in any case.

They got him. Your boy didn’t. End.

I believe that it was Joe “Bite-Me” that most compromised SEAL 6.

It’s time to treat him as the traitor that he is and move on.

His wife is still pretty marketable and all his kids are grown. So, no great loss to those closest to the Vice-Idiot.

He could take up residence next to the Rosenbergs.

Seriously, must ALL reality be suspended when Wack-0-Crats run the show? WTF?

Obama really makes me want to puke on this deal. In the past, all we heard was “special forces”. We didn’t know if they were rangers, seals, green berets, etc. Seals landed in Libya before Reagan bombed them but we didn’t hear about for for 10 or 20 years. Thanks Obama, you blundering idiot. This is why I hate liberals.

…um a perfect opportunity to blame the black guy that killed Osama.

dougx said:
Seals landed in Libya before Reagan bombed them but we didn’t hear about for for 10 or 20 years

I just found out my son’s ship had SEALs training on it three nights ago. They were escorting his ship out of the Straits when the Vincennes downed that airbus, they rerouted his ship and it took an extra three weeks to get back to Norfolk. During all that time they had a blackout, no outgoing mail, no calls from any of the ports they docked at on the way home. He had called me from Bahrain and told me the sister ship was there and they were off loading supplies onto the other ship, ammo and all and they were coming home. I knew his ship was in that area when that incident happened. When he got back to Norfolk he called and said they were rerouted due to concern of retalliation because his ship took out an oil platform. Now I wonder if that might be why the SEAL team was on his ship. But up until three nights ago, in all these years he never told us the SEALs were on his ship.

That’s why I think military personnel can put two and two together if the SEAL teams are “training” in their area and their names can leak out. Their training area onboard was off limits while they trained but they ineracted with the crew later, there might be someone that isn’t trustworthy or might brag about them out of ignorance.

donalan said:
…um a perfect opportunity to blame the black guy that killed Osama.

Someone needs to take that crayon out of your box, enough with the race accusations.

maybe these are the mistakes made in the ‘fog of war’ by presidents that actually execute operations against the people that attacked us. Good luck smearing this success for USA I know you will do your best.

Your son must be so proud of you.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
Your boy didn’t.

I thought we weren’t to refer to the president as “boy.”

donalan said:
Good luck smearing this success for USA

What are you talking about? I’ve already complimented the president for taking OBL out. And yes, my son and I have mutual pride, love and respect for one another as do the rest of our family.

If you are offended by my comments about how secrets can get leaked, within the military, I used to be a wife of a Green Beret, he trained for three months for Son Tay, that leaked, the POWs were moved, the mission was a fail, sheet happens.

As Howard Wazdin says “loose lips sink ships”, To be fair to Obama he has used the correct “Special Forces” when describing the forces involved in the operation, just gaffe-a-minute Biden can’t keep his god dam mouth shut. Add to that the media’s sickening hounding for information on anything to do with the SEAL’s means that these men and women are suffering a friendly fire incident from some key Obama administration members as well as every “news” network in the states. Good Job…

Wow, I thought I was watching FoxNews.

CNN is trying to sell sensationalism, I guess they learned that works better than actually reporting the news.

dougx said:
Obama really makes me want to puke on this deal. In the past, all we heard was “special forces”. We didn’t know if they were rangers, seals, green berets, etc. Seals landed in Libya before Reagan bombed them but we didn’t hear about for for 10 or 20 years. Thanks Obama, you blundering idiot. This is why I hate liberals.

I find a lot of comments interesting because I have perused a few military boards and their ire is directed mostly at the media.

They also point out that Special Forces was more commonly used and that a lot of information (just like Rio noted) gets out another way. In addition, they cited other news sources in other countries as being able to put and two together. They aren’t bashing Obama like many posters on this thread are (or even GaffeBiden).

Right now, my thoughts are with the families of the SEAL6. But I’m waiting for more information regarding the leak and I hope that if it is a breach, we (USA) deals with it appropriately. These men and their families deserve our protection.

Of course, we didn’t give a flip about VPlame’s outing in another Administration so I’m not holding my breath on accountability.

I understand that Gates is popping off, but can anyone point to information that’s been released that would put service members or their families at greater risk than any other time (given their inherently hazardous jobs)?

Or is this just the latest wave of swamp fever running through the wingnut camp?

For that matter, has anyone asked the question of Gates why he thought it enhanced security to express these concerns to an audience of several hundred, with the media present? Sounds a tad hypocritical.

bitterclinger said:
While pretty much everyone that has commented here uses the “Left vs Right”argument in discussing this issue, I would like to come at it from a different POV. If anyone here is familiar with Pat Tillman, you know that he gave up a football career to join the Army’s elite. While serving overseas, he found out things the military was doing that were blatantly illegal and declared that when he returned state-side he would tell the media and anyone else who would listen to him….. shortly after he made these comments he was killed by so-called “friendly fire”.
Your government knew exactly what it was doing when it “leaked”the events surrounding the so-called raid. I would not be very surprised to hear sometime in the future that members of ST6 have been “murdered”.

i didn’t count, but a bunch of people posted after this guy and never called him on it? do you guys just skip over posts? how the hell can you let him get away with saying a great american hero was killed intentionally by our own military?
this guy, whatever the hell your name is, you are obviously from another country whose government is not trustworthy…france, maybe? but never again use pat tillman’s name for your beckish conspiracy theories.

Mas Liberty5 said:
More stupidity from the government. These warriors risked their lives going after UBL for years. So what does a bloated and incompetent government do…virtually out them for political capital by exploiting the operation.

I don’t intend to single you out, this goes to everybody that commented on the first page and using this “story” to capitalize on it politically against the administration that they didn’t vote for.

But if there wasn’t any info, would you be complaining about big government and lack of transparency?

If they said they were holding back information to protect the SEAL team from extremists would people say they want to kill all Americans already anyway? Aren’t all military at risk and in danger all of the time?

Was anything really said here by Gates? This is a nonstory. Spitzer and Starr should be ashamed of themselves.

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
Indicted by a Grand Jury. Fox News Channel ignored it. Seems like news to me. But, back to my point; the investigations of the CIA officials who tortured will go the way of this indictment.

Oooooooooh. Missed it by T H A T much.

Nacho said:
But if there wasn’t any info, would you be complaining about big government and lack of transparency?

No, not when it comes to covert operations. There are perfectly valid reasons to keep certain things secret.

dougx said:
Obama really makes me want to puke on this deal. In the past, all we heard was “special forces”. We didn’t know if they were rangers, seals, green berets, etc. Seals landed in Libya before Reagan bombed them but we didn’t hear about for for 10 or 20 years. Thanks Obama, you blundering idiot. This is why I hate liberals.

as someone else pointed out, you fail to mention the war criminal whose vp intentionally leaked valerie plame’s name purely so they could lie to the american people and invade iraq.

Nacho said:
If they said they were holding back information to protect the SEAL team from extremists would people say they want to kill all Americans already anyway? Aren’t all military at risk and in danger all of the time?

Sure. Ask Nidal Hasan. But special operators are a special case. They do grave damage to the enemy, and when their ID’d it opens up an avenue to compromise them: their families.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
as someone else pointed out, you fail to mention the war criminal whose vp intentionally leaked valerie plame’s name purely so they could lie to the american people and invade iraq.

Wrong. Or, you lie. Maybe both.

mediadoubt said:
I understand that Gates is popping off, but can anyone point to information that’s been released that would put service members or their families at greater risk than any other time (given their inherently hazardous jobs)?

Right off the top of my head, their unit.

mediadoubt said:
I understand that Gates is popping off, but can anyone point to information that’s been released that would put service members or their families at greater risk than any other time (given their inherently hazardous jobs)?

Or is this just the latest wave of swamp fever running through the wingnut camp?

For that matter, has anyone asked the question of Gates why he thought it enhanced security to express these concerns to an audience of several hundred, with the media present? Sounds a tad hypocritical.

i’m just guessing, but i think they also keep the names of guards at gitmo secret for the same reason, to keep them from being singled out and being greater targets for terrorism.

Pablo said:
Sure. Ask Nidal Hasan. But special operators are a special case. They do grave damage to the enemy, and when their ID’d it opens up an avenue to compromise them: their families.

Have any of the SEALs been ID’d Did Gates even imply that? Gates was talking to military people assuring them that the higher ups are doing their job to protect them. CNN sensationalized Gates’ little story and the anti Obama clan turned it into a hitlist that Obama himself emailed to Al Queda.

avoidswork said:
Of course, we didn’t give a flip about VPlame’s outing in another Administration so I’m not holding my breath on accountability.

Oh, so there wasn’t a Special Prosecutor who investigated the matter for 3+ years? I’ll bet Patrick Fitzgerald would like to know what he spent the middle of last decade doing.

Nacho, you’d have to ask Gates why the SEALs were expressing concern about the safety of their families, and why he connected it to the information that had been agreed to keep confidential that was then released. I’m really not interested in what Client #9 had to say about it. The fact that Gates is talking about it is not trivial.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i didn’t count, but a bunch of people posted after this guy and never called him on it? do you guys just skip over posts? how the hell can you let him get away with saying a great american hero was killed intentionally by our own military?this guy, whatever the hell your name is, you are obviously from another country whose government is not trustworthy…france, maybe? but never again use pat tillman’s name for your beckish conspiracy theories.

Because of all the smoke and mirrors that happened post-Tillman killing? The lies. Burnt uniform. Used as propaganda? Insta-promotion and Silver Star?

I’m not saying that the poster is correct, but Tillman was killed by friendly fire and that wasn’t the initial story the american people were told. Same as Jessica Lynch. So, you may not like what he said, but we actually don’t know the truth. Ever heard of LaVena Johnson? http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/03/military-covers-up-rape-and-murder-of-black-woman-in-iraq/

So don’t say it’s not an American who is posting or accuse them of being French. That’s BS. Our military hasn’t been honest with us many a time over Americans dying in these wars. You may not like what the poster said, but history has shown us that our own troops commit horrors upon each other — accidentally and intentionally.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
keep the names of guards at gitmo secret for the same reason

The uniforms now have velcro name tags, they rip it off and put it in their pocket, same at abu Gharibe the threats have been taken seriously.

sarainitaly said:
so they won’t release the OBL photos, but they can’t keep the lid on the Seal teams identities….?

that is bad. very bad.

and now they are saying their is video of the entire take down? i thought people were originally saying there was a 25 minute black out? this story constantly changes.

I said that last week. Didn’t for a second believe it then. To think all those guys would suddenly turn off their cameras? Give me a break. Like O’Reilly said tonight – the White House information unit is in complete disarray.
Too many people giving too many statements. If only one was talking – at least he could control what was being said – but everyone wanted their face time it seems.

seek said:
the White House information unit is in complete disarray.

SecDef Gates must be having nightmares. This has been like a bunch of “look at me” children, unbelievable.

Pablo said:
Wrong. Or, you lie. Maybe both.

what isn’t wrong or a lie is that valerie plame was an undercover officer and someone with direct ties to the office of the vp was spreading her name around town in a clumsy effort to discredit her husband for the simple act of telling what he knew about bush administration claims that iraq was trying to buy uranium.

avoidswork said:
So don’t say it’s not an American who is posting or accuse them of being French. That’s BS. Our military hasn’t been honest with us many a time over Americans dying in these wars. You may not like what the poster said, but history has shown us that our own troops commit horrors upon each other — accidentally and intentionally.

you’re right, i let my emotions over the tillman tragedy get to me. the reason i accused the author of not being american because he said “you’re government knows exactly what it’s doing” and i was being flippant when saying he’s french. (not that there’s anything wrong with that)

ChiliPeppersFan said:
what isn’t wrong or a lie is that valerie plame was an undercover officer and someone with direct ties to the office of the vp was spreading her name around town in a clumsy effort to discredit her husband for the simple act of telling what he knew about bush administration claims that iraq was trying to buy uranium.

Toensing helped write the 1982 Identities Protection Act legislation and insisted “She [Plame] was not a covert agent under the Act.”

“Nobody was ever charged with knowing that she was covert” Toensing explained. “Therefore she wasn’t covered by the statute.”

The act defines a “covert” agent as one whose undercover status is classified, has been assigned to foreign duties within the past five years, and which the government has made a concerted effort to conceal the identity. As Toensing explained in a January 2005 column, “This requirement does not mean jetting to Berlin or Taipei for a week’s work. It means permanent assignment in a foreign country. Since Plame had been living in Washington for some time when the July 2003 column was published, and was working at a desk job in Langley (a no-no for a person with a need for cover), there is a serious legal question as to whether she qualifies as ‘covert.’”

Plame testified that she believed her covert status was more fluid. She said, “Just like a general is a general whether he is in the field in Iraq or Afghanistan; when he comes back to the Pentagon, he’s still a general,” she told the committee. “In the same way, covert operations officers who are serving in the field, when they rotate back for temporary assignment in Washington, they too are still covert.”

Chairman Henry Waxman told Toensing he was “stunned” with her assessment that Plame was not covert at the time of Novak’s disclosure. Waxman told Toensing, “General Hayden, the head of the CIA, told me personally that she was — that if I said that she was a covert agent, it wouldn’t be an incorrect statement.”

Toensing asked him, “Does he want to swear that she was a covert agent under the Act?”

“I’m trying to say this as carefully as I can,” Waxman said. “He reviewed my statement. And my statement was that she was a covert agent.”

“So he didn’t say it was under the Act,” Toensing clarified.

“Well, OK, so you’re trying to define it exactly under the Act,” Waxman said.

“That’s important,” she said. Waxman didn’t permit Toensing to explain further the definition of a covert agent under the Act.

He cut her off abruptly. “No, no, no. No, no, no” Waxman said. “I’m not giving you—I’m not yielding my time to you. So that’s your interpretation.” Then, Waxman changed the subject.

So far, neither Plame, nor Waxman, nor Hayden or anyone else has been able to show that by law Plame was a covert agent on July 14, 2003.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19860

sorry it got cut off the above post

I perceive President Obama as a kid who won a contest: “Be President for a Day” and you get to bring along a few friends too. I concluded this even before the 2008 election simply by being aware of of his associates and affiliations. Ergo, The President in in way over his head.

Niccolo Machiavelli once asked: “Is it better for a leader to be loved, or, to be feared?

From the onset of the Obama Administration, the President set out to apologize, almost to the entire planet, and as a result, find peace and love.

I suggest the United States of America could use a little self respect, plus, be feared, maybe just a little.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
what isn’t wrong or a lie is that valerie plame was an undercover officer and someone with direct ties to the office of the vp was spreading her name around town in a clumsy effort to discredit her husband for the simple act of telling what he knew about bush administration claims that iraq was trying to buy uranium.

No, that’s both wrong and a lie. Valerie Plame was so undercover that her hubby liked to run around impressing people with the fact that she worked for the CIA. Richard Armitage, who told Novak she was CIA (which Novak confirmed with the CIA Public Affairs Office) did not have direct ties to the VP’s office. As for discrediting Joe Wilson, do you mean to tell me that the guy whose wife was a sooper seekrit agent whose identity needed protection was writing Op Ed’s for the New York Times about his CIA mission to Niger? Since when does one write Op Ed’s about a CIA mission he was sent on, and would you do that when the woman you’re married to is a covert operator?

The White House didn’t need to discredit Wilson. The facts do that. Even the Washington Post Editorial Board has figured that out. You tale bears absolutely no resemblance to the facts.

To: PABLO,

I know this is “ad hominem”, however, you are debating with someone who salience in life, is that they are a “Chili Peppers Fan”? Which tells me something about their intellect.

Also, PABLO, your facts and argument are accurate and correct

Pablo – thanks for the Christopher Hitchens link – it was very moving. Last line almost put a tear in my eye.

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seek said:
Toensing helped write the 1982 Identities Protection Act legislation and insisted “She [Plame] was not a covert agent under the Act.”

“Nobody was ever charged with knowing that she was covert” Toensing explained. “Therefore she wasn’t covered by the statute.”

The act defines a “covert” agent as one whose undercover status is classified, has been assigned to foreign duties within the past five years, and which the government has made a concerted effort to conceal the identity. As Toensing explained in a January 2005 column, “This requirement does not mean jetting to Berlin or Taipei for a week’s work. It means permanent assignment in a foreign country. Since Plame had been living in Washington for some time when the July 2003 column was published, and was working at a desk job in Langley (a no-no for a person with a need for cover), there is a serious legal question as to whether she qualifies as ‘covert.’”

Plame testified that she believed her covert status was more fluid. She said, “Just like a general is a general whether he is in the field in Iraq or Afghanistan; when he comes back to the Pentagon, he’s still a general,” she told the committee. “In the same way, covert operations officers who are serving in the field, when they rotate back for temporary assignment in Washington, they too are still covert.”

Chairman Henry Waxman told Toensing he was “stunned” with her assessment that Plame was not covert at the time of Novak’s disclosure. Waxman told Toensing, “General Hayden, the head of the CIA, told me personally that she was — that if I said that she was a covert agent, it wouldn’t be an incorrect statement.”

Toensing asked him, “Does he want to swear that she was a covert agent under the Act?”

“I’m trying to say this as carefully as I can,” Waxman said. “He reviewed my statement. And my statement was that she was a covert agent.”

“So he didn’t say it was under the Act,” Toensing clarified.

“Well, OK, so you’re trying to define it exactly under the Act,” Waxman said.

“That’s important,” she said. Waxman didn’t permit Toensing to explain further the definition of a covert agent under the Act.

He cut her off abruptly. “No, no, no. No, no, no” Waxman said. “I’m not giving you—I’m not yielding my time to you. So that’s your interpretation.” Then, Waxman changed the subject.

So far, neither Plame, nor Waxman, nor Hayden or anyone else has been able to show that by law Plame was a covert agent on July 14, 2003.

You are wrong about that. Neither Cheney nor Scooter Libby or any one else in the white house has been able to prove that she WASN’T a covert agent.

From Deputy Assitant SECDEF Geoff Morrell:

He was indeed voicing his concern about the breakdown in operational security after the killing of Bin Laden. Anonymous sources revealing secret information about the tactics, training, and equipment of covert forces put at risk our ability to successfully mount similar missions in the future

This is unfortunately the Hobson’s choice we face: are we better off with an adminstration like Obama’s, whose members are so idealistic about a transparent government that they often provide more information than they should, or an administration like Bush’s, whose members were so contemptuous of Americans that they usually withheld information that should have been disclosed (unless of course the information, such as Valerie Plame’s status as a covert agent, is to further their agenda)?

OK, so I’ve been looking around at what information has been released about this operation — and the supposedly changing stories, and it’s (surprise, surprise) bullshit.

There has been a refinement of the stories as debriefs have been compiled; other participants have rendered their reports; and the media has quizzed spokesmen, etc., but the overall understanding hasn’t changed materially. Refinement is not the same thing as “being out of control,” and is exactly what one would expect after an event of this sort. Wingnut lie debunked.

If you disagree with the decision to reveal that the hit on bin Laden was made at all, then any information released after that point is going to get your undies in a snag. But in terms of information release beyond the norm for a mission of this sort, you’re just blowing smoke. The families’ concerns seem to arise from the high profile of the target and not the amount of information being released. In this, both Gates and the wingnutariat are being disingenuous.

Folks — take two aspirin and call your doctor in the morning.

As I read on Lucianne and as posted by a very clever poster:

“Obama got Osama and we got 72 versions”

Yes indeed, the story changed, changed and changed again.

mediadoubt said:
But in terms of information release beyond the norm for a mission of this sort, you’re just blowing smoke

Oh really?

Col. Lapan said concern was heightened because more operational details of the raid on bin Laden have been released than is typical with most counter-terrorism missions. Although national news media have so far not identified members of the team, military officials have privately expressed worry about feature stories that have described SEAL hangouts or tried to track down members of the team.

At a visit to Camp Lejeune, N.C., on Thursday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates was asked by a Marine if the military was taking steps to protect the lives of the SEAL team members involved in the raid.

Mr. Gates said that “the threat of retaliation is increased” in the aftermath of bin Laden’s death. He expressed disappointment that so many details of the operation had become public, but said the identities of the assault team must remain confidential.

“I think there has been a consistent and effective effort to protect the identities of those who participated in the raid, and I think that has to continue. We are very concerned about the security of our families — of your families and our troops, and also these elite units that are engaged in things like that.

Mr. Gates said that when he was with the team members expressed concern about the safety of their families.

“I can’t get into the details in this forum, but we are looking at what measures can be taken to pump up the security,” Mr. Gates said.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/05/13/military-to-media-dont-name-special-ops-forces/?amp&amp

BTW, you once told us Tommy Franks was fired. I e-mailed a personal friend of Tommy Franks that’s still serving, 36 years in, he’s been overseas working with NATO for the past 5 months and will be returning soon after a couple weeks in DC he will be home, retired for good. Here is part of his response:

M, General Franks was not fired. He chose retirement and that is a matter of record after 30+ Years of Service. I disagreed with Rumsfeld/Bush on the Policies in Afghanistan on many issues but Tommy Franks was not fired. This is just nonsense and a shameless lie. I did warn CENTCOM about the insurgency in Iraq as I was a B Team Commander there under General Franks….”

Not showing the rest of his comments, that’s all you get.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
what isn’t wrong or a lie is that valerie plame was an undercover officer

Time to move on….the facts just don’t follow what you believe and just because you believe it…it doesn’t make it so.

I know, you wish we could go back, but we won’t.

Rio said:
Oh really?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/05/13/military-to-media-dont-name-special-ops-forces/?amp&amp

BTW, you once told us Tommy Franks was fired. I e-mailed a personal friend of Tommy Franks that’s still serving, 36 years in, he’s been overseas working with NATO for the past 5 months and will be returning soon after a couple weeks in DC he will be home, retired for good. Here is part of his response:

Not showing the rest of his comments, that’s all you get.

1) Outside of forums like this (and a few phony gasps on the televised media) this is considered a nonrelease, a nonissue, and a nonstory. If more has leaked out, it’s because it’s the biggest terrorist takedown ever — even moreso than Carlos (early 80s?). And the key information — identity of the participants — is being managed appropriately (no thanks to Gates).

2) With regard to Franks, pehaps I should have said “fired” (using quotes) rather than fired, or “pushed aside,” or “encouraged to retire.” In any case, his bosses — no military geniuses themselves — were unhappy with his performance and Franks was replaced (unceremoniously, without warning — or at least without warning that made it down to me, since I was supposed to attend a meeting scheduled with him the day he left his command).

Gorgegirl said:
Neither Cheney nor Scooter Libby or any one else in the white house has been able to prove that she WASN’T a covert agent.

They’ve never had a reason to. Why would they?

England has their SAS wear ninja masks, and they aren’t even allowed to be photographed. Good idea.

mediadoubt said:
or at least without warning that made it down to me, since I was supposed to attend a meeting scheduled with him the day he left his command

I’ll send this to my friend, he just might know who you are. Could get interesting.

This alone disqualifies Obama from reelection.

Its time to start treating leakers as enemies of the USA. Starting with Bush and Cheney for leaking Plame as a political move. Whatever the intention, it hurts our country, and is the worst “thank you” you can give the brave men and women that put themselves in harms way for no glory other than to serve our nation. It might make the best of them think twice before applying for those jobs in the future.

Seal Team 6 is a very specific designation. I wish they had just said “seals”. This wasn’t leaked, it was basically announced by the Obama Admin. the day of the OBL takeout. They took out the most dangerous man alive, with the most fanatical and also rank and file following. This is the real reason Obama did not release the photos, he doesn’t want to anger the muslim man in the street. We already know the terrorists are mad, they don’t care about photos.

Any muslim, anywhere in the world, upon hearing that some seals are staying in the local hotel, might take it upon himself to do something. It’s not just trained terrorists, we are getting many lone wolf muslims pissed off at the US. I can about guarantee there will be reprisals, someday somewhere it will happen and then we will all have another debate about it.

As far as Valerie Plame goes, no offense but that’s pretty ridiculous to compare the 2 situations. Terrorists could care less about Valerie. She’s a pretty blonde sitting in an air conditioned office somewhere. She was an analyst. We have thousands of them, they are not targets.

Rio said:
I’ll send this to my friend, he just might know who you are. Could get interesting.

I was notetaker for our sector project manager. I doubt whether I’ve made it into the annals of history. But who knows?

mediadoubt said:
I was notetaker for our sector project manager. I doubt whether I’ve made it into the annals of history. But who knows?

I’m sure he’ll get a kick out of that.

In 1987, a new unit was formed, given the official title of “Naval Special Warfare Development Group” (abbreviated to NAVSPECWARDEVGRU, or DEVGRU) after SEAL Team Six was dissolved. Reasons for the disbanding are varied

I was ecstatic.when the news broke..

and I am now way an expert..that being said I did carry a secret clearance in the Navy.

information about a “covert operation” is never released like this .

we know every aspect of what happened. chew on that..

Mission sensitive information is never disseminated to the general public this way…ever!

we know troop strength,assets used,ship destination.

the Department of defense never allowed this orgy of information.

think of what you have been told…its completely out of line with special operations standard operating procedures.

as it violates all protocol.

think about what you now know..and what I just said.

now..what do we really know.

its propaganda my friends.

Why the haste to bury anyway? Saddam Hussein’s sons were kept for 11 days before they were released for burial, so why was so much lavish attention paid to bin Laden’s funeral rites? Why was the body disposed of half a day after securing it? Surely the autopsy required more time?

Obama succeeds where Bush failed! are you serous?

anyone would have made that call. it wasn’t like he was suited up with TEAM 6..this isn’t a reboot of the president in independence day leading the way.

the Pakistan government has some explaining to do. playing both sides it wasn’t like he was in a cave.was it?

my guess is joint special operations command didn’t give POTUS any options.

so the only thing he could do was go along to get along
what could he do? he couldn’t very well prosecute all SEALTEAM operators for murder now could he.

I’m sure the Joint Chiefs , the Admiral in charge of special operational forces,as well as the chain of command of the forces on the ground were wiling to sacrifice there careers to get this bastard.

FYI SEAL Team Six is now called NAVSPECWARDEVGRU, or DEVGRU that’s since 1987 people.