So that’s how you get the left to love a Christian Fundie! And you get a high five from Bill Maher!

Sorry pastor, but the left hates you too.  Today, however, you serve a purpose.  You’re their useful idiot de jour.

So much main stream, left wing bigotry. I’m not a religious person, but this stuff is just pure hate. 

“The interview began with Maher giving Jeffress a copy of his 2008 documentary Religulous”

Well, nobody actually PAID to see it, so I guess he has to give the damn things away.

Mormonism = Scientology of the 1800s
Just swap out Thetans and Xenu for magic underwear and a Garden of Eden in Missouri.

Of course, I find most religions to be nothing more than pixie dust and unicorn silliness.

Last I checked, it easily beat out the much-hyped rightwing film, “An American Carol,” which was released the same week.

Christianity = son of God, born of a virgin, died on a cross, came back from the dead after 3 days. True religion

Mormonism = same guy visited America. Crazy cult

- @TweetofGod:twitter 

and the stuff the right wing spew isn’t bigotry as well?

internecine warfare…almost as good as class warfare!

You know damn well that Twink Maher would never have the guts to talk shit about Muslims. Liberals are such motherfucking cowards it’s a good thing the military is predominantly Conservative-who would protect their little pussy-asses?

God bless you, Pastor Jeffress!

The right loves their ‘real American,’ but not their ‘real Christian?’ Puzzling…

I think it’s more like ‘pure dogma.’

Contra your snark, “Religilous” was actually a hugely grossing documentary. And a great film to boot.

This is hate? This is a Christian defining the term–and hopefully dividing your ticket!

Ha Ha!

What are you gonna wear to the Barack Wins 2012 party?

They hold many of his twisted notions.

You’re really hurting from this one, aren’t you?

It’s gonna be ok…there’s always 2016!

The US is screwed when Theobots like this are slugging it out over who deserves the to job to shoot Muslims in the head with extra judicial killings.

In your case it’s just pure dogshit, right Gargler?

“Christianity = son of God, born of a virgin, died on a cross, came back from the dead after 3 days. True religion”
god comes down from heaven and rapes/impregnates an underage  virgin who becomes his mother and he has no legitimate father..so he is a rapist, pedophile, incestual bastard?
hmmmm-strange religion huh?
has anyone ever noticed the strange similarities between Moses and Jesus?
anyway i can go all day and post obvious flaws in religion—so back to the pastor…
i do not agree with the pastor–but i admit he is a fun guy. i understand how people have a dificult time breaking free from a dogma that has been ingrained into their brain since birth—but you can be saved from religion–you can be born again and deny the contradictions and the fables and the fairy tales–really…
never the less–we liberals do not hate christians/the evangelicals/the pious—we just want them to actually act like christians ie Jesus..

Wow! You obviously can’t handle your liquor and are quite obviously repressed! 

It is funny, though!

It’s also funny how you always spew your Homo-Erotic fantasies and you think they’re actually insulting someone.

Is there something more to your Homo-Erotic fantasies?

BWAHAHHAHHAHAAH!!!! TeaBaggers!!!

Why should anyone believe what a former member of a church says about that church? Surely you can’t be serious?

I think this pastor is just doing this for the attention.  He misrepresented Catholicism and wasn’t able to answer a few of Maher’s questions, which were shockingly legitimate this time.  When Maher asked if “the signal is stronger” when a lot of people pray together he said he doesn’t know.  How could you be a pastor and not know that?  The answer is in the bible, where Jesus says “where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them” and that whatever they pray for will be answered.  He also gave an illogical answer about why good works aren’t required for salvation.  He said they aren’t necessary for salvation, but are the result of them, but in the bible it says in many places that good works are required for salvation as well as faith.  How else can you prove that you faith except by good works?  It just doesn’t pass the test of logic.  He’s being attacked by conservatives because his comments have no place in politics.  I don’t think Romney is a good candidate because he’s not authentic, but his religion has nothing to do with his ability to lead this country.  It’s sad that some people feel the need to either use their religion to get attention, or use politics to bring attention to their religious views.

The Herman Cain/Sarah Palin winning 2012 ticket hopefully will get all you Left-wing Obamaddict’d Garglers heading east to Cuba, north to Canada, or whatever socialist paradise will take you.

Once Hillary challenges Obamugabe and Herman Cain kicks ‘The One to the curb in 2012 the Demo’Crupts will never be heard from again. LMFAO! Heheheheheheh!

Palin!

Ha Ha!

None of this religion stuff matters. What matters is that Romney is a MODERATE and that there isn’t a single dyed in the wool social conservative that likes him. He’s even got Rush Limbaugh saying he’s no conservative. See the rank and file of the GOP realize that if Romney wins the Tea Party loses all momentum because Romney is not a movement conservative. Maher is just doing his part to make sure Romney gets the nomination because Obama will beat him with one hand tied behind his back because whiny social cons will stay home and put if Romney gets the nomination.

What happened Dildo, did one of those priests bugger you when you were a young’en?-somethings up your ass!

Exactly Chris you are spot on.

Trenchant analysis once again, sir!

that is any religion—
when the last post came out that there was no hell–he was almost kicked out..
then 2 of the top leaders and founders of the evangelical movement came out against the movement and denied the existense of hell—they were slandered and blackballed–
the pious has a history of destroying anyone who disagrees with them–praise the lord~

What are you blabbin about? The only thing he was given a hard time for by most conservatives was using the word “cult” which has a certain contemporary meaning (Jim Jones, Manson etc). I agree though when one listens to the details of his remarks, it’s clear he’s just (poorly) discussing theological differences.

Look Mommy

Its that guy convicted of a potty mouth

Hey Dildo! What was it like living all those years ‘up in Michele Obama’s fat, truck-sized, nutrient-rich ass?

Which muslims? Are you referring to the drone strikes of noted non “theobot” Barack Obama?

what is Obamugabe?

Palin, ooggghhhh! Kind of like Kryptonite to all you Garglers.

dog poop

twinkies
poop

oooh
bad word

I don’t know that last one
MOMMY!

I gargle when I have a cold

GrafX and WiddleBabyDanielson ObamaGargle together with their signature authorized BHO kneepads that they had to pay extra for, right Obamaddicts? Heh! Heh! Heh! Heheheheheheheheheh! LMFAO!

“They have their own set of doctrines, they have their own book of revelation, they came 1800 years after the church.”

I’m too tired to look it up. Can someone tell me how long Mr. Jeffress’ faith has been around? I’ve followed this story very little but really? He has problems with Catholics (who were the original church) but doesn’t his faith (baptist I think) come “whatever # of years after “the church”? Silly

Yeah, calling someone a cultist is a term of endearment. Unless you’re on the left, which has no shortage of ways to hate people.

I think it’ll be a lot harder for Romney to win the gop nomination than to beat Obama, which almost anyone can do if the economy doesn’t improve.  He says whatever it takes to get elected, and he’ll win over most of the independents that voted for Obama in 08.  But in terms of authenticity, he’s basically the gop version of Obama, he’s flip flopped more times than I can count.  Rick Perry’s ads against him are absolutely devastating, the only reason they aren’t winning over people is because Perry isn’t performing at the debates.  But Romney has no base of support, that’s why after running for president for 6 years now and winning every debate he’s stuck in the low 20s in the polls, even without a strong opponent doing well.  It’s because conservatives know he’s just not conservative, only pretending to be one to get elected.  He’s said coal plants kill people and he’ll shut em down, that he’d implement Romneycare in all 50 states, and that he believes man causes global warming . . . That doesn’t sound like a conservative to me.  If we could combine the eloquence and intellect of Gingrich with the record and personality of Rick Perry into one candidate, Romney would have been crushed long ago.

A unicorn. That shits rainbows and Skittles.

You’re excused!

 Whether you agree or disagree with the Pastor, he’s seems like an ok guy.

I fail to find the Homo-Erotic fantasies in the comment you refer to. And no, you can’t blow me.

If you have to ask you’re too stupid to deserve an answer!

Amen to that!

caca-mierde!

Holler a little louder and perhaps she’ll come change you.

The left does not hate
The left accepts people for who they are
The left is not vulgar
The left want the world to be a better place
The left wants to progress to a better world – Progressive

The right condemns
The right does not accept
The right uses potty mouth
The right says Fu$k the world
The right want to go back in time – Regressive

Progressive party
Regressive party

Choice?

Where do the Jehovah Witness’s fit in in all this?

lol, the left accepts people for who they are. now that is funny

Cain/Palin 2012….LOL please please please let it be so.

I saw it. It was pretty good.

It also beat the crap out of Palin’s biography “Undefeated”. (not really undefeated because she lost in 2008 and quit after that) 

Yah right.  Because the “pastor” knew nearly as much about religion as you do – thus he’s a good guy and he’s invited on Maher (the atheist) to slam a republican candidate.  

Let’s just have a look at hypocrisy in action.  You guys would sell your scruples and morals in a millisecond to bash a republican.  

Don’t think they come bigger than Maher and yourself.  Perhaps a love in is required – hold hands and repeat after me “we stand for nothing, we waver whichever direction serves our purpose for the moment”.  
We love the pastor but we think religion is a sham, except this guy is kinda cool.

poop die?
die poop?

how about
comer mierda y morir
or
manger de la merde et mourir

the left accepts gay soldiers
the left accepts gay marriage
the left accepts potty mouths
the left accepts YOU

Lol, reminds me of a tweet someone sent Levi Johnston after Sarah Palin announced she wasn’t running which went something like “14:57, 14:58, 14:59 be gone Levi Johnston!”

You ‘hate’ Keynesian economics, right, Pablo?

Are you a bigot?

Nobody would call you that. You simply disagree with the claims inherent to that economic philosophy.

Keynesian economics and Christianity are both IDEAS–subject to rational inquiry. Ideas are transcendant and conceptual products of the mind whose real-world applications are subject to reasonable crticism.

As you see Robert Jeffress just likes the attention. Very similar to Palin.  They like the limelight and have no credibility. 

 Poor deluded rightwingers. Even after Sarah strung them along for a year, took their money for her PAC/vacation bus fund, and then didn’t run – they still can’t let go of her.

They’ll just keep falling for the Grifter from Wasilla. These are the kind of folks who would send their life savings to Benny Hinn or Robert TIlton.

I stand corrected

Nancillarypeloslinton wants to beat a dog over the head with a shovel The left does not accept this

I just have to say that the left is quite vulgar.  And they have quite the potty mouth.  (The Daily Show gets bleeped quite a bit, and yes, they do favor the left.)  Not saying they are bad, vulgarity and potty mouths make me laugh. 

Havent been her in a while, huh?

might I introduce you to
Nancillarypeloslinton

I think the thing here is that the left accepts people the right doesn’t accept.  And the right accepts those the left doesn’t accept.  It’s important to remember that both sides are guilty of the very transgressions that they complain coming out of the opposing side.

Le dije a su madre que quería tener relaciones sexuales en la boca y me dijo que si me dejaba tragar mi orgasmo.

So then, Mr. On My High Horse.  What are your feelings toward the left wing bigotry?  Isn’t your very comment filled with hate and bigotry?  As they say, whenever you point your finger, don’t forget you’ve got three fingers pointing back at you.

He likely shared a bong with Bill after the show. He is probably laughing how he has all the rubes back home snookered.

usted es un cachorro enfermo

Religion is a con and of course the right wing eats it up.

Just for the record, since I know we like facts:  Religulous made $13,011,160 in the United States making it the 13th highest grossing documentary of all time.  So, roughly 1 million Americans give or take actually paid to see it…and that’s just from the domestic box office which accounts for rough 25% of a film’s total gross, which means we could estimate that at least 4 million Americans paid for it.  That number is slightly higher than your none prediction.  (I know you meant it as an exaggeration to prove a point.  But the hyperbolic statement doesn’t really hold water since it doesn’t prove your point.)

I’ve read a couple of them.  Sorry, let me make an amendment to my statement.  Clever vulgarity and clever potty mouths make me laugh.

Just out of curiosity, do you really think that if the Democrats lose the White House next year, that means the Democrats are going to disappear?  You really don’t follow history too much, eh?

The left usually relies upon a ‘descriptivist’ methodolgy–as opposed to the right’s ‘prescrptivist’ approach.

The descrpitivist describes what she sees, as she sees it, while the prescriptivist prescribes what is seen based upon beliefs, knowledge, prejudice, or experience.

The descriptivist looks at human behaviour and tries to describe what is happening. Most linguists look at the speech patterns of African-Americans as not inferior or subordinate to more formalized patterns of english, but as simply another co-equal speech arrangement with dynamics common to all languages. In short, it’s not ‘bad’ or deficient–it simply IS.

The prescrptivist takes the view that there is one language–the Queens english?–and demotes all others to an inferior status, at best. Those speakers are ‘lazy,’ or ‘stupid.’ Their difference is often ascribed to moral failings.

Do you see? Two men have sex. The left begins by saying ‘men have sex,’ while the right begins with its Christian methodolgy and pronounces the act IMMORAL. Just like Intelligent Design, which begins with the assumption that there is a god–though it is reversed in the equation. “I don’t know what happened here, so it must be god.”

The left begins with ‘looking and recording’–the foundation of the scientific method–before assigning a value to the event. Not hindered by belief or prejudice, the descriptivist is free to investigate without ‘baggage.’

The right (many, at least) begins its investigations with a Christian worldview and all that implies.

It is in this sense that the left accepts people for who they are: women aren’t necessarily wives, they can be anything; men can love other men; and blacks are human beings deserving of the full panoply of human rights.

The conservative view looks back, while the liberal view tries to go forward and ‘liberate’ the world of its prejudice and old ‘understandings.’

You make a very good point.  Protestants came a long time after the Catholic church was founded and branched off of it by making huge changes in its theology similar to how Mormons made huge changes from Protestantism and branched off of that.  He doesn’t hate Catholics, just the Catholic faith.  There are certain denominations that teach that the Catholic church is “the whore of babylon” and many falsehoods about Catholic teaching.  I would know because my uncle and his family go to such a church.  People of different faiths should be having honest and open-minded discussions about what their faiths teach and find common ground rather than trying to divide each other and push falsehoods faiths other than their own.  We have a lot more in common than different, especially compared to many secular groups within our society.

watch your mouth.  Your obscene, and cool it.  

Does the Cleveland Plain Dealer report much from Africa?

Excellent interview, Pastor Jeffress!

Facts are lost on regressives
Tony dont like no facts

I believe the usual comeback is poopy head (mommy wont let me repeat exactly)

You guys are lucky this ain’t Arizona or Alabama!

You might find yourselves in the slammer!

yeah
so do I
you still doing podcasts?

Yeah, when I told her what else I wanted to do she got a great big smile on her face. What’dya think of that, son?

ROTFLSHMSFOAIDMT

Shopping after 9/11 ‘for America!’ is vulgar.

Swift’s ‘eating Irish babies’ is satire. Just like DKs’ ‘Kill the Poor.’

Maher is in this vein.

you win

i need a shower

Yeah, we just starting the podcast back up after a five month hiaitus (It’s what raising a child can do to outside activities. :) And yes, we are still vulgar and have potty mouths, but I hope we lean more to the clever side.

Yeah, I’ve changed my statement:  Clever vulgarity and clever potty mouths make me laugh.

I recommend you work on your english before you start up with another languge.

Awesome
have a link?

Of course, the Left has been kind to Robert Jeffress.  The Left desperately wants to interject anti-Mormon bigotry into the presidential campaign, and Jeffress becomes their puppet.  They need him — because they can’t find anyone well known to spout this garbage, and even the liberal pundits are ashamed to say this stuff themselves. 

Advice to the Left:  Deal with issues, and not slurs.  Or the 2012 election will be a repeat of 2010, only worse for the Democrats.

My comment made it perfectly clear that it was referring to the successor in a long line of psychopaths chugging on corn syrup and killing in the name of the lord.

tell me how the “right eats it up”.  The right is saying “doesn’t matter what your religion is” – the left is saying “but doofus over here says mormonism is a cult”!  The right is saying “who gives a flying fig – we are not looking to elect a preacher”  - the left keeps chanting “but look – look”!  

So tell me about who is gobbling up the religion?  Our course it’s selective gobbling, but what the hell – nobody will notice!”

You’re s.o.l there also mr. athiest.  They only have room for 144,000 in heaven so you’re safe – you didn’t want to go there anyway.  

7.62 full metal jacket.  If you’ll be my date, I’ll fit you with one.

I’m confused though – isn’t Harry Reid a Mormon?  So, it’s really selective what mormon they call out. lol

yeah, thats gonna happen

too big. i need 5.56

Hey Natureboy…see who’s at the door, will ya?

Uhh Maher has trashed Islam many times, look it up. 

Keeping in mind that “they” are the Perry campaign.  Unless Reid somehow found himself switching parties and in the GOP presidential primary where the evangelical vote was at stake, it probably wouldn’t be much of an issue for him.

If the right is saying “doesn’t matter what your religion is” why has public proclamation of a deep and abiding faith become mandatory for the GOP candidates since 1980?   Why does it make national news when one single GOP candidate admits to his belief in evolution?

Robert Jeffress handled this interview very well. Good sport!

Agreed on everything up to your comment that Obama wins easily if it’s Romney.   If the economy doesn’t improve or sinks further, Romney could very realistically win: The right have been so indoctrinated in the notion that Obama, a Wall Street friendly centrist, is somehow a Muslim/Kenyan/Marxist/anarchist that they will turn out in droves to vote against this FoxNews boogieman.  Moderates, who would have been in the Obama column against any Tea Party nutter (ie the entire field outside Romney and Huntsman) actually would feel safe voting for Romney in a down economy.  That leaves the left to carry Obama alone, and he’s done a pretty good job at deflating the energy of his base by catering to the blue dogs and the right.

Fact: The atheist Mahar sure did his best to suck up
to the Christian for his own dirty deeds of deception for the anointed one!.

The eloquence of Newt and the personality of Perry……LOL

“The right is saying “doesn’t matter what your religion is”

Quit making up crap and lying.  The Evangelicals care very much what your religion is.  If the right didn’t care, Romney being a mormon wouldn’t be a problem for him.  If the right didn’t care then they wouldn’t try to label the President as a Muslim and use that as a knock against him.  If the right doesn’t care Herb Cain wouldn’t have said he wouldn’t have a Muslim in his imaginary cabinet.

Jeffress lost credibility when said he’s not the Jeremiah Wright of the right.

If the economy continues to tank like it appears  A moderate GOP fire hydrant will be able to beat Obama.  The moderates will vote for Romney and the right will hold their nose and come out for him as well.

Let’s face it if there was a repeat of the 2008 election the old horse McCain would probably win.

The left cares more about religion than the right? It cares about it not being an issue and makes fun of the right’s religious litmus test for their candidate. Gobble gobble…stop making up turkeys of lies.

he was pretty cool…

Dude….you know you don’t even like Jesus……you just think you’re a Christian because you don’t know better!

Fact: Jesus son of God died on the cross for all the
sins of man. I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior! Do you believe in Jesus
Christ? I do know what is better for me!

Fact: Another idiot that thinks that Muslims are a religion for and of peace.

Fact: Both Schellac Obama in 2012!

Obviously some on the right are not saying it doesn’t matter. It matters to them quite a bit.

Try again.

Social conservative? Better check with the Tea Party. I thought they were all about fiscal conservatism and not the social issues. Conservative posters were just saying that the other day.

So, did the GOP base, conservative Christians who are socially conservative kinda hijack the Tea Party?

  The answer is in the bible, where Jesus says “where two or three are
gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them” and that whatever
they pray for will be answered.

Did the people in Texas get the rain they were praying for?

How else can you prove that you faith except by good works?

What about atheists and agnostics who do good works? What about Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc that do good works?

  It just doesn’t pass the test of logic.

A lot of it doesn’t.

I accidentally hit “liked”
I was actually trying to reply, and point out that the post you responded to had no sentiments at all about Muslims, only that the nutters on the far right have been trying to label him as one since day, going so far as to spread batch emails claiming that Pres. Obama took his oath on the Koran.  Thus (again) proving the right cares about what religion one is.

And let us not forget the 8000+ death threats on Fox News’ FB page, pointed at an atheist and/or atheists in general.

I should have stopped this post after making it a point that hitting “like” was accidental.
1) You can’t argue with crazy.
2) “Don’t try to teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time & annoys the pig.”
an old country saying that my wife had an artist make a framed cartoon for my desk out of, 
as I have a bad habit of “Trying to teach pigs to sing” (well, trying to teach you pigs anything is impossible, the singing is just a metaphor)

Есть говно и умереть. ;-)

Maher and Jeffress . What do you two weasels think about Islam ?

When Maher jumps from a skyscraper in early November 2012, I want to be there cheering him to the ground!

Its the conservatives who will be going after Romney for is religious beliefs. And if there is a “repeat” of that sort of thing, it will be the conservatives doing it again after their Jeremiah Wright feeding frenzy last time. Of course that did not work, nor will it work this time, since Romney is a lock to be the republic nominee.

I hate lima beans. I don’t hate people who like lima beans. I don’t even complain about people who like lima beans. See the difference?

I’ll give you one thing about Keynesian economics and Christianity, though. They’re both based entirely on faith.

Fact: Like the OWS bunch say it will be like the
French revelution!

The left accepts this: http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/

Fact: Only LSDMSM cares about Romney being a Mormon!

Enjoy your delusions.

*LOL* On three accounts:

1.) Religulous made a whopping $627,955 in the foreign box office — real smash hit.
2.) Apparently you don’t know what GROSS means.
3.) It’s 13th when you don’t account for inflation.

But I’ll give it credit, it wasn’t a complete and utter bomb like the next top grossing doc, Capitalism: A Love Story.

The right, and Barack Obama, right?

Because the leftist media likes it that way. As for your “mandatory”, quit making shit up.

Evangelicals does not equal “the right”. Thank you for playing.

Hillary’s campaign was of the far right? I did not know that.

Some on the left find religion disqualifying too. Unless they know you’re lying about it.

The Perry campaign? How’s that? You know Jeffress is not affiliated with the Perry campaign, right?

dfsdgfg

I’m not sure how any seriously religious person would square their belief system with the lying that seems almost inherent in politics.

Bill Maher is the sickest loon on TV.  The admiration of him by the left proves the sickness inherent in the left.

Who is making a big deal out of it?  Who is so “joyously” interviewing this idiot?  Obviously the left plays this “gotcha game” and runs like mad with it.

The left is a hypocritical bunch of dingbats.  Take Pelosi – the fine Catholic, who attempted to put words in the Pope’s mouth.  Now there is a Catholic in name only.  

Every freaking story (nearly) this week regarding religion was from the msm.  You guys systematically destroyed Palin.  

You just want this whole process to be over so you can focus all your hate on one – cause you’re finding this tough to malign so many at once. 

The “some on the right” just have a copy of the playbook and know what’s coming down the pike.

Pastor skyfet there is dooming Perry’s chances .

ur 1 up on me :o

I think I proved (to myself anyway) the old adage of wrestling with a pig

 I’m not an athiest.  I am a Christian. I’m just  not a hypocritical one that believes you must be a conservative to qualify.  Matter of fact if you listen to the “sermon on the mount”, Jesus says almost everything a neo-con doesn’t want to hear about Christianity. Sorry to bust your bubble .

Okay, so the bigger LOL is how you just threw up 3 things that were irrelevant to my argument.  First off, why do you care what foreign markets think about Religulous?  Especially since my argument was to refute the no one paid to go see it.  Well, I proved that 1 million people minimum saw it, so I was right.  One million is more than no one.  Can you argue against that? And really, box office analysts don’t talk inflation too much since the box office tends to live inside a bubble and the way the box office works now is much different from the way the box office worked twenty years ago.  Even going back further, when you add inflation, Gone With the Wind sold the most tickets.  But then again, Gone With the Wind came out at a time when there were no wide releases as there are today and made it’s money gradually through re-release upon re-release since factors like DVD sales and television airplay didn’t matter.  So, again, the idea of inflation is not something that many analysts will use in studying box office trends.  The important thing is that Religulous made money.  It did decent.  Not a smash hit, but in documentaries terms, a genre that is not know to set the world on fire, it was solid.  And it never was released in more than 568 theaters during its run, which is pretty incredible.  But either way, I was right though, 1 million people minimum paid to see it, and that is more than no one.  It did well.  Did you really want to argue box office analysis and the proper way to argue direct points with no distractions with me?

And just out of curiosity, does the amount of money a film makes equal how correct the filmmaker is?  Religulous made more than Ben Stein’s Expelled documentary about creationism.  In comparison, does that mean Maher’s anti-religion stance is more correct than Stein’s pro-creationism stance?  And since the highest grossing documentary of all time (gross is how much money was brought in before you factor in things like budget and marketing and taxes, etc, before profit is even discussed.  So, I know what gross means, unless you think it means…disgusting?  Which it does, just not in this context.) is probably the biggest piece of liberal propaganda ever released in theaters, does that mean Michael Moore is right?

thecheckspot .com is the podcast.

the left accepts only people that agree with them

Gracias

Look forward to it.

A joke is a joke. Sorry you didn’t get it. Geeze.

A joke is a joke. Sorry you didn’t get it. Geeze.

bingo!   Funny how all the neo-cons that call themselves Christrians never listened to the Sermon on the Mount. Or, if they have, conveniently forget it.

I think you are confusing ‘hate’ with ‘dont agree with.’  I am a Liberal on social policy but do not agree with many of my close family and friends on many aspects of Religion – especially strict interpretations of the New Testament.

Based on your own ready use of the words ‘hate’ and ‘idiot’ I presume you are troubled in life and I will pray for you though…

If you hit the “like” button again, it will remove the “like” you accidentally hit!! I’ve been there myself!!

Now, please let me disect this in short order. Because I think the pastor is a funny guy means I agree with him? No.  I think Rush Limbaugh is a funny guy too and I don’t agree with him either.

Well I do not agree with that statement, and yet I am not calling you a poopy head or a weiner gargler or well you get the picture.

Perhaps you could explain RINO’s to me.
or why Republicans are having such a hard time with Romney?

Wow! Where have I heard that some religious loudmouth is not part of a campaign? Maybe it’s just a glitch in the matrix.

to tell you the truth, i don’t know what the problem is with romney, ideology i assume , some people dont agree……..my point was the left and right preach acceptance but only if you agree with were they stand

I’ll take his word on who he feels is using the MEat-ia Cleaver. He lives it, you and the rest of us read it and most of you put on your colors.

just a question……i find being sexually attracted to the same sex odd, does that make me a bigot?

Tony sounds like you are arguing that monetary success in documentaries is an indicator of quality of both content and the creator.  In general I would have to agree.

Check this out http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm looks like successful documentaries are a veritable who’s who of Liberals and the left in general.  Thanks for pointing this out.

I so agree! The right does not equal evangelist or racist!! The right just happens to rely on both to try to get elected. It’s not a bad thing. Kinda like the person who refuses to flush the toilet.

First, the term I used was “useful idiot”.  This is a phrase that is steeped in political meaning.  Perhaps you can google it and educate yourself in the process.

Second, it’s RIDICULOUS to claim that the left isn’t full of hate and derision.  It is.  On a Bill Maher show from a bit earlier this year, Dan Savage – the homosexual activist that is famous for creating the Rick Santorum Google-bomb, said this about Republicans….

‘I Wish They All Were F**kin’ Dead’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dan-savage-says-of-congressional-republicans-i-wish-they-all-were-fkin-dead-on-real-time/

Here’s what revealing about this quote:  Dan Savage is a homosexual who constantly rails against the “intolerance” of conservatives, Christians and Republicans in general, and yet he’s also the guy who wishes all Republicans were “dead”.  Isn’t that nice?

If that’s not “hate”, I don’t know what is.

How about compulsory??

I have absolutely no sympathy or regard for you complaining about someone using the same tactics on the left that the right has used regularly.
The GOP courted people like Jeffress for decades and didn’t give a rats ass about what they were saying as long as they could promise things they never intended to deliver and get their votes. Then in 2008 they decided to make a huge case out of Obama’s association with Rev Wright and a few sound bites. They opened the door to the discussion of religion and now they can’t close it when they’d like to. Boo Hoo.

The reason most of “the left” gave up on Maher is due to exactly what you point out. Bill had a nice chance to pin Jeffress on the “time of origin” question but missed an easy shot. How serious can we take a satirist who misses such huge holes. Maher reads a script takes a hit and thinks “eight figures is nice”.

All religions are cults!

Even Rush !! Oh my well if Rush says it, it’s gotta be the truth!!

Its time to start taxing the Churches.  There is Trillions in net worth and they get off paying zero taxes.  They use our roads, police, fire departments.  They use our justice system, our water system, our sewer system they use it all.

If the Lord God needs 10% (minimum) from every church member surely the church can understand that here on planet earth we need money to provide infrastructure and services. 

Stop freeloading organizations of faith.

I agree

I guess if there were a larger number of Loud lefties here, I would be getting drunk calling them pu$$ies who stand for nothing : )

Chicken Little Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity.

Praying is just wishing with religion.

Just like all you Righties cheered as the WTC towers went to the ground!

You’re all a bunch of sick fucks.

yah right.  Hyprocrites in action.

The rev wright – that bigoted creep.  You guys didn’t care – didn’t cover.  

p.s. it was not about his “religion” – it was about his preaching hate for the white guy from the safety of a “church”.  There was no religion.

Let them eat cake!

Why do you hate Jesus?

mind translating that into a language someone might understand?

Jesus would not like you in the slightest and it kills you!!!

HILARIOUS!!!

The Right: Focused like a ‘Laser’ on jobs! 

BWHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAHHAHA!!!

Why do you hate Jesus?

Hold your nose and vote for Romney? I have been saying this for weeks. Someone is going the run as a 3rd ticket for the TEA Party crowd!  Palin, Perry,Bachman ?? Even Cain or Paul could run as a 3rd ticket……It will be Fun!

FYI All religions are cults by definition.

Websters;

cult   /kʌlt/
noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. 3. the object of such devotion. 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. 5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols

How come you’re so wrong? My sweet Neocon- Mick Jagger

How come you’re so wrong? My sweet Neocon- Mick Jagger

And the right?

And the right?

LSD will rot your brain.

Maher trashes all Religions. But just look how many there are. Which one is the true and only religion? Do all who belong to the wrong religion go to hell? Or is there a hell at all? Maybe we are already there?

Tile is Orwellian like most repulican titles. ie:
Bush
Doublespeak

The “Clear Skies”
initiative

brilliant!  Did you think of it all by yourself? lol

Now don’t forget the most influential religious politician that you so admired – Kennedy!

why did you bother?

you being the sickest one of all for even making that vile, pathetic statement.

Now go talk to Rosie and find out what your next “brilliant” thought will be.

I’m still shaking my head over absolute slime like you.  What the hell is the matter with you?

Get  off  your  moral high  horse,  christians  and  especially  right  wing  ones   have  a  sick  obsession for  trashing  gays. I  assume  its  because  most  of  you  are secretly  turned  on  by  guy  on  guy  action 

you’re done – after your post, there is nobody (either left or right) who will not look at your posts with jaundiced eyes.  (the right will call you out – the left will call you out under their breath).

Go reinvent yourself.

palin,  geez  what  year  are  u  iving  in  delusional  right  wing  drone.

Hell, he lost his credibility when he opened his mouth initially.  I’m sure Perry is “thrilled” with the idiot.
He cost Perry and he’s too stupid to even realize it (but the left isn’t)

every post you make indicates that you have the intelligence of a slug.  

You seem to dwell obsessively about sex.  Not getting enough?

right skippy.  Take those blinders off.

Don’t even know what the hell religion Wright is.  Just know it’s not his religion the right was not impressed with.  

Don’t care about Romney’s religion, or Perry’s or Cain’s or anyone else’s.  You do, for some strange reason.

Nice to hear from ya!

I didn’t realize Maher was a republican.  Do tell, I missed his “coming out party”.  Damn!

Or, as Groucho Marx put it: I won’t join any club that would have me as a member!

Oh bugger off.  From the safety of Canadian Politics, which is not quite as dirty as American you’re spewing nonsense.  

Watch the smear from the left on Cain, and from all those fine “black folk” no less. 

Do you have skin in this game, or are you just a little puppet spewing crap for the sake of spewing.

You’re no freaking hawk – you’re a vulture. 

Who the hell is “Herb” Cain?  

The left whack jobs are kind to anyone who condemns religions except those who condemn Islam, the libs favorite religion because of its whack jobs who kill people each day of each month of every year.

No, he had a legion of dullards who helped him with that.

We agree on lima beans. There is hope for peace after all!

OH yeah Kennedy was soooooooo religious. He mentioned it all the time. LOL

That was a joke, right?

Who among us is surprised?

John or Ted?

I don’t recall Ted ever speaking much about it.
John had a great speech about religious tolerance

the hungry children I saw in West Virginia; the old people who cannot pay their doctor bills; the families forced to give up their farms; an America with
too many slums, with too few schools, and too late to the moon and
outer space.

These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they
are not religious issues — for war and hunger and ignorance and despair
know no religious barriers.

where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or
indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its
officials; and

where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

I want a chief executive whose public acts are responsible to all groups
and obligated to none; who can attend any ceremony, service or dinner
his office may appropriately require of him; and whose fulfillment of
his presidential oath is not limited or conditioned by any religious
oath, ritual or obligation.

This is the kind of America I believe in, and this is the kind I fought
for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No
one suggested then that we may have a “divided loyalty,” that we did
“not believe in liberty,” or that we belonged to a disloyal group that
threatened the “freedoms for which our forefathers died.”

http://usliberals.about.com/od/faithinpubliclife/a/KennedyReligion.htm

Impressively accurate. Unfortunately, you will now be persecuted as an elitist.

Geography is another of your weak points, isnt’ it.

I’m not surprised. This just proves how bigoted the “progressives” really are. They still deny it even though the proof is right there for all to see.

You and Maher can both present rational criticism as to why you don’t like Keynes or religion–rational criticism with evidence. If I want to say that I hate blacks or even lima beans, there’s nothing evidential–it relies on taste or prejudice. Big difference.

Everything ‘works’ if people believe it works, Pablo. Communism would ‘work’ if people believed in it sufficiently, and capitalism would work, too, if people ‘believed’ in it.

That’s the thing: people can and will believe anything, regardless of how ridiculous the claims are.

America is a nation built upon faith–and it works as long as that faith doesn’t collapse.

Right now it’s teetering.

Jeffress, are you really that STUPID?! The left will use you like a fresh clean snot rag while you provide fodder for their attacks on the right (otherwise known as the mature sensible portion of the country) and then tear your guts and still beating heart out as soon as they’re done with you! And you’re groveling for their acceptance and approval? They are users that know no loyalty other than to themselves and their marxists beliefs!

Pastor Jeffress, in his way, is quite an impressive dude, in being able to jokingly duke it out with Maher. It got me to thinking about Christians and Southern Baptists. I love Christianity; the only problem is that most every Christian Church does not represent the ethos of Jesus Christ, quite the oppostite as we’ve noticed over the centuries. On top of this, the Southern Baptist Church represents, in large measure, the descendents of the southerners who supported slavery and had to be defeated in an awful war in order to give up their inhuman notion about humanity, i.e., the right to own another person, which, of course, was supported by their Bibles and politicians. I really believe that many white conservative southerners and others are still conflicted about slavery and Christianity. Most of what we are getting from rightwing politicians and the Tea Party is antithetical to Christian values. Selfishness, greed, self-seeking, ‘the hell with the other guy’, no sense of community, dog eat dog, plus an occasional tinge of racism and outright bigotry etc. Surely, the upheaval going on in America, has to do with the intransigence of many southerers who are worshiping a false God very much attached to Mammon.
Also, what we’re witnessing now with the protests springing up all over the country is a long overdue reaction to the hypocrisy of our political and business leaders. I think that those who continue to support and condone what the 1% have been doing are in for a very rude awakening.

Jeffress contradicted himself.  He said we are not saved by our good works; we are saved by our faith in Christ alone.  Then, later, he said that someone who has faith but he has no good works, then his faith is worthless.  Okay, so how is one saved if his faith is worthless?  Faith without works is dead.  You cannot be saved with faith alone.  One demonstrates his faith by his good works.

Jeffress said that Paul’s words are as authoritative as Jesus’s words.  Wrong!  Paul’s words are NOT as authoritative as Jesus Christ.  Jeffress made a wrong conclusion.  Remember, on one of his missions, Paul fought with one of his companions.  Jesus would never approve of that.  Therefore, Jesus’s words can supersede any and all of Paul’s words.  Paul was appointed by Jesus to the apostleship.  Therefore, Jesus had authority over all of Paul’s words.

When you read Matthew 7, which it appears you haven’t, regarding your name calling and judging others before removing the log in your own eye which Jesus says, let me know.

I guess you didn’t like me telling you that even the Jehovah Witnesses didn’t want you.

p.s. you asked, I answered.  So, suddenly you’re not an atheist.  You just said you were a couple of weeks ago to show that you stand for nothing.  You’ll say whatever suits your mood at that moment.
Pathetic.  

p.p.s.  name calling?  judging others?  seriously dude – if I cared enough I’d go back and show up your hypocrisy but you’re not even worth a sliver in the finger of life.

Great post, but some words were missing….so I filled them in.

The left does not hate except the wealthy, white males, Republicans, homemakers and Christians
The left accepts people for who they are unless they are black conservatives
The left is not vulgar except when talking about Sarah Palin
The left want the world to be a better place to engage in drug use, criminal activity, etc.
The left wants to progress to a better world in which government calls all the shots

Sounds like the right has been sufficiently cowered by the left that they can’t tolerate intolerance anymore. (So to speak).  Perhaps people, like Maher, can show them what’s acceptable intolerance.

in my book, if you hate lima beans, you are hitler. oops, i think that was uncivil. crap. at least i didnt draw up a target with a bulleyes on your face, man. now eat the damn lima beans. look, its like pork chops ok? i had pork chops for the frist 17 years of my life and couldnt stand them. becuase my mom made them. then my wife made them for me. totally different thing. they were great. you just havent had the right person make you lima beans. the trick is lots of butter (or fake butter stuff) and pepper, and cook them a long time. get them soft and mooshy. try it, adolf.

You’re just bummed because Jesus actually likes me!

It’s working then!

i think it has to do with most of them just dont care of you are gay or not. if you are a person, your just like everyone esle. period. forget about being gay or whatever. it makes no difference. when you try to have separation becuase you are gay, gay marriage for example, thats different. i am sorry i am not going celebrate that you are gay. just like i dont expect you to celebrate i am fat. peace.

how come democrats created the KKK. and engaged in the beatdowns of black in the south in the 50s and 60s, and the repubs freed the salves and voted for the civil rights act in larger numbers then? how do you “describe” pedaphelia or bigamy? do we all need to be liberated from our old understandings that these are “wrong”? nice try. completely facil. funny tho.

elitists arent persecuted. they do the persecuting doofus. they will be laughed at tho.

I fail to see how Mormonism is any more of a cult then Evangelical Christianity. To me they’re all batshit insane.

Between race baiting, class warfare, Jesus hating, Bill has managed to hit all hate mongering levels. Yes this would be about right. And these are the fools that love Obama. Birds of a feather flock together.

This is all you need to know about hating Mormons- one way to get Leftie loons to love u!

I agree, this time around McCain would win, cause Obama actually has a record to run on and it’s a disastrous one.  But a conservative candidate could beat Obama too, it’s just so hard for one to actually win the gop nomination because most of the money comes from the establishment republicans who want to keep, well, the establishment the way it is.  They don’t believe a true conservative can actually beat a liberal presidential candidate, that’s why they all supported Bush, McCain, and now Romney.  I hope they fail in their efforts this time, cause look what happened with the previous candidates.  We need a candidate who actually gives a strong contrast to Obama, and that isn’t Romney, here’s one example of many:  http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/15/will-romney-hire-obamas-climate-change-guru-holdren/

Only when it suited him.  I was too young to know what was going on when his Brother was running for Pres. but I hear it was a big deal then. 

The documentay of Palin  was released on 10 screens   Religulous opened on 502 screens

Undefeated made more per screen with no paid advertisment., unlike Maher’s doc that spent millions.
Undefeated is number 15 on the industries measure of all documentaries of all time
Religulous was such a big flip it even tried to branch out, opening on one screen in the Netherlands , where the breed rancid crazy atheists , …it was a big flop there too. because Maher’s agruments are 4 grade level  and irrational.

It’ a compliment to be hated by Bill Maher.

Jesus said He’ll answer people’s prayers, He didn’t say when or how.  God’s answers aren’t as simple as our answers.  Regarding your question about how atheists and people of other faiths prove that they have faith with good works, it’s a good question.  Just because one doesn’t believe in God, doesn’t mean He doesn’t still exist and holds each of us accountable for our actions.  Obviously you can’t have faith in a God that you don’t believe exists, but you can still lead a life that is filled with good works based on what values or beliefs you have.  As it says in the bible, to whom more is given, more is expected, so people who weren’t taught the Christian faith or anything about God won’t be held as responsible for certain things they do as those of us who know the truth and still do bad things.  It also says in the bible, love covers a multitude of sins, so if you do things with a great amount of love, that’s what matters the most.  God created us with a conscience, it’s the inner voice of our soul that tells us what basic things are right and wrong and causes us to feel guilty when we choose to do wrong.  So one can choose not to believe in God and still listen to their conscience when faced with a choice to do good or bad.  I think of conscience as God’s window to our soul that’s kept open, only we shut it to varying degrees if we fall into a very sinful life and become desensitized to doing bad things.  God can see us through the window and we can’t see Him but we can sense His eyes on us whenever we act.  But we should all search for the truth and be open to where it leads us, no matter what our belief system is.  My best friend in college was an atheist but we had many honest and open debates about religion and faith.  By doing that we learned why we believe what we do, so it’s important to question your beliefs, no matter what they are.  Given the evidence of physics regarding the origins of the universe and also logic and philosophy, I would argue that it takes at least as much faith to believe that a God doesn’t exist and that everything came into existence randomly.  

The comment that the right has been after him with the meat clever only exemplifies that they are the intolerant people in this country, and they have proved it over and over again, like with having all Republicans sing on to no new taxes, ever. Intolerance has seen before in our nations history and when the left rises up against it is when it pipes down. But if left unchecked it leads to an authoritarian state, and a growing population in a democracy becoming belligerent and resistant to those in power. ———-   Sinclair Lewis: When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.

could’t have said it better..

“exemplifies that they are the intolerant people in this country” and yet if they didn’t condemn him for his remarks you would say the exact same thing about them for not doing it.

And to further my point Nixon was a Quaker and the left never said a peep, but the evangelicals had a hissy fit over Kennedy being Catholic……………………..Intolerance runs deep in in the south and in various other right wing evangelical communities.

What are you talking about? Maher is bigoted towards Muslims as well.

So Maher gave him a high five for saying that the left is more accepting of bigotry…

Bingo. The whole Occupy Wall Street thing is about hating everyone who’s suvccessful.

No. I just means you agree with Charles Darwin.

fredcpa1962,

I don’t have the time to write about the history of the Democratic party in this country, but if you notice, I talked about the ‘left,’ not the Democratic party. The ‘leftism’ that I refer to has more to do with Continental philosophy and the basics of the Enlightenment than any limp-wristed, mainstream leftism in this country.

As I said before to our friend Pablo, If you want to tar today’s Democratic party with race-based events of the past, do it at your own peril. Lincoln’s war against states’ rights vrtually nullifies any claim you might make with respect to Obamacare. Lincoln is the first BIG GOVERNMENT president who denied the states the right to make their own laws with respect to owning people. Today, Republicans say that the Federal Government doesn’t have the right to force me to purchase a product, but it was Lincoln who said that there was a certain product that you had no right to possess…other human beings. Why does the Federal government think it can tell me ANYTHING? Ask your Republican friends.

If the Federal Government (YOUR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT) says I can’t own a slave, then the Federal Government MUST be able to require that I own health insurance. So get ready for that…

“pedaphelia or bigamy”

Ah, yes…this old saw. I worry about the lack of intellectual fortitude on the right, but here we go…

The descriptivist methodology looks for a victim in sexual relations between two consenting male adults and can find none. When the descriptivist looks at pedophilia, she sees a child who can’t consent to sexual activity, and thus this act is regarded as criminal.

Bigamy is more complicated since wives may be above the age of consent, but this is an evolving field and requires more study. The descriptivist may very well see it as largely harmless, while others may see it as restrictive to women or men. Either way, the descriptivist is not tied to something ‘a priori.’

You might recall that liberalism released women from the ‘old understanding’ that women were bound in  sexual servitude to men. Women were seen as property, and their only opportunity for advancement  was through marriage.

In the past men were the ‘powerful’ and women, as well as minorities of all stripes, were subordinate. The left wants to present all people with lives that are not tethered to one fixed and unchanging program: women=wife, or African American=slave. Because of liberalism, these groups–and many others–are free to pursue an open-ended life without the constraints of the past imposed upon them.

People are free to find their own way–and not have it determined by the powerful.

Two rats.

I thought the left was basically against religion or was essentially secular,I guess that only counts when it’s convienient.

Here we have the left showing us that religious kooks who are intolerant of other failths have a place in America afterall,I just hope they make room at the table for radical islam because that part of islam is pretty much the same as this guy.

He does have a better suit though.

To bring it to a personal level, I have had friends in many faiths but never made a judgement of them becasue of what faith they follow.  It is when we come under the influence of those who control our faith proclaim their faith is the only one, and we agree, we come under the influence of intolerance. And if one is easily swayed by this proclamation then we cannot move forward in a democracy, for intolerance will slow our growth as a nation, as it did when slavery was a curse our land, and still are living from it’s effects. Religion should not be in question here, but what are the politicians remedies for our nations ills.

when you can converse without name calling let the majority of us know. In the meantime continue to read the “Sermon on the Mount.”   Thanks

Again, when you can converse with someone with whom you disagree instead of berating them and calling them names let us know. And you can even get the “Sermon of th Mount” in Chinese too.  Thanks for your kind words.

dude – you are so so confused its sad. if you eqaute people to property, you need help. please get some. but please DO continue to write this all down. it might be therpeutic for you. i dont want you tethered to anything, but reality. and unfortunately, we aren’t there yet,

The KKK were also Protestants and many of their leaders were Baptist preachers. They were the Conservative Christians of that time. (They also attacked Catholics and Jews.) Do you see any Conservative Christians in the Democrat Party today?

Mormons were among the worst offenders as far as being racist until the 1970s, but nobody accuses Romney of being racist today. Mormons have changed their attitude. The KKK still exists, but you can bet none of them are Democrats today. “The Germans” killed Jews 70 years ago. Do you hold all Germans accountable for that today?

I have not said Republicans are racists. Some who post here can barely hide racism, but I don’t hold all of you responsible for them, just as I don’t hold all of you responsible for the things that got Tom Delay in jail. You know. Political corruption.

Pedophilia is a psychosexual disorder. Thinking about it is no worse than lusting after another man’s wife, but engaging in it is a crime that is among the worst imaginable and must be punished. Why? Because children do suffer, and that can never be allowed. Bigamy. A crime committed by extreme Christians, but only a crime because most modern cultures say so, not because anyone is necessarily harmed.
Bigamy is a crime because our government says it is a crime. Not because of the Bible and not because anyone is harmed mentally or physically.

You have to drag up crimes of the past to attack Democrats now, and nobody ever said Democrats support or practice pedophilia (which you misspelled).   

Nice try. Funny though, caveman.

In other words “damn, she caught me in another lie, what to do, what to do,  what would Saul do?”

if pablo hates islam, he is not a bigot?

Religion was never front and center with any of the Kennedys certainly no more than any other politicians.It seems almost required.
 BTW are there any atheist members of congress? I don’t believe so. But I could be wrong.

I am not sure who you are referring to? You sound like some arrogant girl gone wrong like 2012 Freedom who use to have a red, white and blue avatar. I don’t know what happened to her? Or maybe even an “Imnotblueru”.  Besides, where is your avatar? 

You sure like putting words in other people’s mouths.  I’m me, always have been.  So you’re Rupert and you want to know who I am? lol

o.k, it gets sillier by the day.  Now one must have a lying avatar to show what?  that they’re lying?  

(besides, I know how easy it is to trace people who download avatars there sport).

islam or muslims?

Maher and the pastor are both happy to attack people who they disagree with.  Mormons are some the kindest, healthiest people and believe Jesus is their savior.   No need to attack mormons as a ‘cult’.  Maher is just a jerk who is so unhappy in his own sad existence anyone not equally miserable is a target.  Why wouldn’t they get along!

I think I get it. If Fox does it, it’s cool, if MSNBC does it, it’s horrible and disgusting. Conservatives always right and good and honest, liberals , always wrong and bad and liars. Is that about it? My problem with that is that it’s a ridiculous cartoon presentation of reality.

I didn’t have time to address this this morning 

You guys

I’m so sick of the left vs right bullshit and the warped presentation of reality it perpetuates.  All conservatives don’t agree and look at things the same. All liberals don’t either. Generalities have there place in conversation but now they constantly distort, replace, and misrepresent reality, That harms or cuts off communication.

Good intelligent well meaning people who sincerely want this nation and our society to succeed have honest differences of opinion about what path we should be on. It’s not limited to libertarian and Marxists and can’t be simply divided into good and bad, right and wrong. It’s more important than some sporting event where we root for our team, or catering to our egos and bias.

You guys didn’t care – didn’t cover. 

It was a bullshit contrived guilt by association campaign waged by Fox news. Human beings have flaws, and some good qualities. That’s the reality of it most of the time. Even Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, or Jimmy Swaggart , whom I can’t stand, have their good qualities and have accomplished some positive things.
The portrayal of Wright and a life, reduced to judgements made on a few sound bites is insulting to rational thinking and human reality.

p.s. it was not about his “religion” – it was about his preaching hate
for the white guy from the safety of a “church”.  There was no religion.

Well according to Jeffress, neither is Mormonism, but you called him an idiot.

Exactly how much effort did you make to learn anything about the man, the church and Black Liberation theology before you made your judgement? Was it all made from what your heard on Fox , read on conservative blogs?

I hope Pastor Jeffress followers can see his unchristian attitude and make some wise changes.

Extremists never know how hated and alone they are until they step into the public arena and witness those they THOUGHT supported them tear them down like the queer ducks that they truly are. 

Oh well. 

Welcome to reality b*tches.

I’m sorry – how much “effort” did I make to learn anything about the man?  An awful lot – read a lot about black liberation theology and watched his speeches and summed him up as a hate mongering racist.  
You could, and perhaps still can find a # of his “sermons” on line.  I went to a lot of different churches as a teen, trying to figure out which one I liked but somehow, although they were different, not one preached hate from the pulpit.  

I didn’t call Jeffress an idiot for any other reason is he is an opportunist.  Unless he’s dense as foam, he knew the minute he opened his mouth that he was “inciting”.  I have no more use for him than I had for Wright.  Then, instead of slinking back into his church, Jeffress compounded his opportunity by appearing on t.v. and then having the audacity to say “the left was nice to me”.  Hello??? Now you don’t have to be brilliant to know why the left was nice to him.  So, he showed himself to be a rather shallow
“man of the cloth”.  Him damning another religion also indicates that he’s a bigot.  A fine combo.

I’m a Catholic and have been to Churches all over and I’ve never heard the Priest denounce any other faith.  

Both of these men I have no use for – not because of their religion but because of their ugly souls.  

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I agree prayer has a much more complicated purpose than often thought of. That’s why the “whatever they pray for will be answered” seemed far to simplistic to me.

It also says in the bible, love covers a multitude of sins, so if you do
things with a great amount of love, that’s what matters the most.

  I agree. That’s why I don’t agree with those who value doctrine and dogma over the content of people’s character. An act of love, compassion,  or kindness isn’t made more or less by the labels we attach to the person.
But we should all search for the truth and be open to where it leads us, no matter what our belief system is. Again, I agree. I think we should respect the individuals need and right to choose the path that seems to work for them. For some it might be through Christianity , {as it was for me in the past} or Islam, or other religions , or no religion. However, we do interact, and that will bring confrontation. I think in a real way that confrontation is a part of our growth. We challenge others and they challenge us , to think and question and consider. The Bible says to value love and truth, and I think those should remain our highest goal. It’s a lifelong journey. Maybe several. ;-}

Hey smald4lib, Many thanks for reminding us of the great Sinclair Lewis quote – “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross”. I just don’t get why rightwingers don’t understand why so many of us are put off by much of their overall ideology. Very simply we are against authoritarian government run by banks, corporations, hypocritical churches, Murdoch media and their bought off agents in Congress.

I suppose if Cain were a bit taller, and worked on his jump shot, I can picture Sarah Palin getting together with him.

–Cobra

I give Jeffress credit, he rightly points out that the right is williing to elect someone who believes in the most outrageous religious schlock going, only because they know the others, good Christians all, are unelectable.

On the other hand, he’s so hungry for publicity he’s appearing on the same stage with world’s most famous atheist. And why does he take such apparent pleasure in his role of chief anti-Mormon? I know he was pleased as punch that he got in a reference to Jermiah Wright, in case we had forgotten. I don’t think this guy is a poster boy for what it means to be a good Christian or, for that matter, a good human.

All religious belief is dishonest, but Mormonism is clearly the creation of a charlatan. Romney should be challeneged as to whether he considers the most ridculous tenets of Mormon theology to be true. I’d say the same about someone who was a scientologist (which also has an outer space element to it).

then who am I?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYNDuYDpKxQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

I don’t care who you are.  I did receive notice from discus that you were tracking me though.  

“Potty mouth”? Seriously? You are now making me laugh. (speaking of the main 3-4 words widely used) Curse words are just words that describe certain emotions in a direct way without having to type or speak 7 other words to describe the emotion of the thought. Words are a tool to get a point across. People offended by them are a bit silly. You can be just as offensive when not using them. Get with the times.

The real reason the leftists hate the Mormons is because they are perceived as being proud of their European ancestry and have a high birth rate.  There is nothing a liberal hates more than a white group with a high birth rate.  There are several other factors.  Utah has been the most reliable conservative state, always voting Republican.  Liberals will gladly throw in with some disgruntled Christian preacher to attack the Mormons.

for you  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcntTVo-XTg&feature=related   anyway.

Extremely well phrased Mr Tebow.

…Now prepare to be crucified for it!!!

Extremely well phrased Mr Tebow.

…Now prepare to be crucified for it!!!

Herman Cain/ Sarah Palin

…Absolutely.

Yes please.

That would be blissfully entertaining. It could even be love!!!

Herman Cain/ Sarah Palin

…Absolutely.

Yes please.

That would be blissfully entertaining. It could even be love!!!

The real elitists work on Wall Street.

The way I see it is religion these days is an accident of birth. If you are born in America, the odds are the you will be/become some kind of Christian, but if you are born in Saudi Arabia you will become a Muslim. If you are a Mormon, it is because your parents are/were, not because you studied all possible religions and said, “I like that magic underwear thing.”

How strongly you feel about religion is a different story. That depends on life events and maybe being especially gullible. How strongly any politician feels about religion usually depends on how many votes it will get him/her.

And the real problem is that each side (right and left) sees the insanity of the most extreme examples, and decides that all people on the other side are just as crazy or angry or intolerant or just plain dumb ass as that extreme example.

I dunno. Kennedy was politician enough to mention God in his speeches, but his example wasn’t “pure christian.”

Where?
Who?
Wasn’t that Glenn Beck, the fear monger saying that?

Kudos to you for at least making an effort to get more information than just a few short sound bites. I did something very similar but came away with a much different conclusion. I don’t have to agree with Wright to understand his perspective and the origin of Black liberation Theology. Men and women in his age group remember a much different America where, “Christians” stood by silently and allowed horrible moral crimes to be committed against black Americans. Some even committed the crimes. BLT rejected that kind of phony Christianity as Jesus rejected the phony religious leaders of his day, and identified Christ with the oppressed, just as Jesus does in Mat with “Whatever you do unto the least of these”  Like most human constructs religion, is not without flaws. BLT, as a concept isn’t worthy of the contrived demonetization carried out by Fox for a political agenda. If you’re interested in another perspective watch “The Bible Tells Me So” a documentary about how decades of the demonization of gays by most of Christianity has harmed so many people.
As I said, the GOP has courted the favor and votes of conservative Christians for decades by promising Constitutional amendments to help them force their personal beliefs on people who don’t share them. I have no sympathy for their whining now about an imagined attack on faith.
I’ve attended quite a few churches myself and spent a bit of time studying the Bible, it’s history, and the history of Christianity. IMO, it’s a man made construct that varies as people vary and serves different purposes for different individuals, some good some bad, some noble, some selfish. I don’t care at all about what label of religion a person chooses. Being a Christian, atheist,  or anything else doesn’t tell me anything about a person’s character. It’s just a label.
I’m not supportive of denouncing an entire denomination , with the possible exception of the Westboro Baptists. That’s one flaw and people are more than that. How bad is it in comparison? Catholicism certainly isn’t without it’s problems. 

thanks for your very measured response.  There is a lot of what you said that I whole heartedly agree with.  

In reading the new testament you find so many examples of exactly what you said that Christ called out.
Even in his time, people did acts in his name that were far from Christian like.  Much like rumors taking wing and flying.  People heard something of Christ’s teachings and they interpreted it whichever way they wanted.  Basically, whichever way suited their purpose and gave them the strongest club to use on their neighbours.  

Westboro Baptist – about the most egregious example of hate hiding inside a Church.  

I don’t know of any religion that I can agree with 100%.  The basic tenets I agree with but since man is involved in preaching those tenets human frailties and emotions dictate how the tenets are interpreted and adhered to, in their daily lives.  

I think most of us take the road with least obstructions. I have had some wonderful conversations with people who’s religions I think have major flaws, and find at the end of the evening that what I perceive as flaws in their teachings, they consider the reason they were drawn to that particular religion.  We end up knowing a bit more about each other’s religious beliefs and becoming a bit more understanding that we are all seeking our own enlightenment.  Thus my feelings about religions I once considered “cults” has tempered over the years.  I wasn’t referring to mormon’s btw.  I used to go to their dances!  The best organized events for teens at that time.

I agree that every religion has evolved in spite of their flaws, in response to their flaws, because of their flaws.  There is no perfection on earth.  

The left does not hate. Except for fundie Christians, Mormons, capitalists, hard workers who believe that what they earn is THEIRS, not to go to those who are too lazy to work, pro-lifers, those who are pro-abstinence for teen agers, those who are against giving abortions to teen age girls without parental consent,  and basically anyone who hates having the government dictate their every move (except for the above mentioned health care issues).

The right accepts anyone who wants to join. 

The left is not progressive, it is permissive. Anything goes, if it feels good, do it, that sort of thing. 

>It is in this sense that the left accepts people for who they are: women aren’t necessarily wives, they can be anything; men can love other men; and blacks are human beings deserving of the full panoply of human rights.<
Since when did the right ever say that a woman can't be anything but a wife and mother? The left says, women should be anything BUT a wife and mother. 

Men can love other men, without putting SEX in the picture. 

And no one in the right EVER said that blacks are not human beings, and do not deserve the  "full panoply of human rights". 

I’ve been encouraged by the nature of our exchange. I know we don’t agree on a lot of things. I’m sometimes discouraged by the lousy job our media is doing and the seeming loss of people’s ability to communicate in a way that promotes understanding. So, sincere thanks, for showing me it’s still possible. As often happens when understanding is promoted, we find points of agreement.

Wow!

And no one in the right EVER said that blacks are not human beings, and do not deserve the “full panoply of human rights”.     

Have you heard of slavery?

Men can love other men, without putting SEX in the picture.
???

Since when did the right ever say that a woman can’t be anything but a wife and mother? The left says, women should be anything BUT a wife and mother.

Uhm…Women got the vote in what, 1919? Women can do anything–even post ignorant comments.

How about anytime before 1919, at least…

Yup the fundies & evangies are sure good at spreading hate, while claiming they are some font of Jezus’s love

And you narrowminded ignorant religious bigots are any better? 

You are wasting your time.  Pablo’s Mormonism is not subject to scrutiny

Pablo DOES hate Islam and Muslims alike.  Just last week, explained “they” built a monument to the murder of 3000 people.  He, of course, cannot tell the difference between American Muslims and 19 Saudi fanatics nor can acknowledge Muslims died at Ground Zero too.

He is a huge hater

Newsflash:  Bill Maher is not “the Left.”  He may be a leftist, but he is not the entire group of people.  For instance, he may high five this walking neanderthal, but I still have nothing but contempt for Jeffress and his views on Mormons and, for that matter, Mormons for their views on Mormonism.

Imagine, some Mediaite kook thinks “the Left” loves this a-hole because Bill Maher was polite to him?

Valkyrie, you make me laugh.  You claim that conservatives are opposed to Mormons, but you and your liberal friends make all of the anti-Mormon comments here at Mediaite.   Not just some of them, or most of them, but every one I’ve seen has come from you or another liberal. So your thesis really doesn’t hold water…..

Kind of like you said Maher’s show was on NBC, not HBO.

Those of the Mormon faith are devilishly imposing their will on people especially homosexuals from
all walks of life as if they we’re God’s chosen Messiahs.  Truth be told, there
are more rapist and sexual predators that belong to the Mormon Cult Church than
any other Religion.  If I had to gauge the evilness of their faith with that of
the Muslims, bent on terrorism, I’d be more afraid of losing my civil liberties
than seeing a plane fall out of the sky.   Those who live and breathe the work
of the devil will reap what they sew.  That’s to say, Mitt Romney will never get
elected president nor will the people of Utah have their cake and eat it too. 
May your days of religious persecutions come to an end with the boycott of all
tourism and business to and from Utah.