‘We’ve Got Lots of Theories, We Just Don’t Have Evidence’: Jan. 6th Witness Recalls Laughing at Bizarre Giuliani Election Admission

Rudy Giuliani admitted he had no evidence of 2020 election fraud, just theories, according to Arizona State House Speaker Rusty Bowers (R), a witness in the congressional hearings on the January 6 Capitol riot.

During Tuesday testimony, Bowers recalled Giuliani pressuring him in a number of ways following news that Joe Biden had beaten Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election. Giuliani represented Trump at the time and was front-and-center echoing the former president’s election fraud claims.

Bowers testified that Giuliani gave vague arguments for fraudulent ballots, claiming illegal citizens and even ballots for deceased voters could be behind the supposed ballot dump in Biden’s favor. Bowers said he never received direct evidence of this and when he did push Giuliani following the infamous Giuliani “hearing” at a Phoenix hotel, the former New York City mayor admitted he had nothing.

Bowers recalled meeting with Giuliani, as well as lawyer Jenna Ellis, and a number of other Republicans. Bowers said Ellis repeatedly told him she had direct and specific evidence of the voter fraud Giuliani was talking about.

And I said, I want the names. Do you have the names? Yes. Do you have how they voted? We have all of the information. I said can you get to me that information? Did you bring it with you? She said no, both Mr. Giuliani asked her and I asked generally if they had brought it with them. She said, no, it’s not with me, but we can get it to you. I said then you didn’t bring me the evidence, which was repeated in different iterations for some period of time.

He added that Giuliani jumped in and said they only had “theories” to provide, but not evidence, which Bowers obviously needed to disqualify Biden electors. Bowers admitted he wasn’t sure if Giuliani had made a “gaffe” with the brief confession.

“My recollection, he said, ‘we’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence,'” Bowers said. “And I don’t know if that was a gaffe or maybe he didn’t think through what he said, but both myself and others in my group, the three in my group and my counsel both remembered that specifically and after wards, we kind of laughed about it.”

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