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Bill O’Reilly And Bernie Goldberg Bite Back At Jon Stewart’s “Go F*ck Yourself”

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Last week Jon Stewart made a particularly strong critique of the overgeneralizations and stereotypes made by the pundits on Fox News, saving special pique for Fox News media analyst Bernie Goldberg. Appearing tonight on The O’Reilly Factor, Goldberg got his chance to return the volley, and, for fans of these sorts of media battles, he did not disappoint. Goldberg pushed back hard at Stewart, and reached to a personal level rarely seen in these sorts of media battles.

First a bit of background: Goldberg recently mocked the mainstream media’s stereotypical portrayal of Tea Partiers, but in the next breath, made some grave overgeneralizations of what he deemed “liberal media.” At the time, we said:

But Goldberg dug deep into his explanation of raced based group-think in the mainstream media, claiming that “this is how they all think” and later “they see racism everywhere.” Of course this sort of oversimplification of a complex idea is over reliant on stereotypes and over-generalizations – the very stereotypes and generalization that comprise the very racist stereotypes that, in Goldberg’s esteem, the “liberal media” uses on a regular basis.

Stewart caught the same point, and as is his (and his team of producers) way, made a much more compelling point. In a post titled “Jon Stewart Tells Fox News To Go F*ck Yourself” we said:

The segment opens with a few examples of Fox News pundits discussing media coverage, most notably Bernie Goldberg, who correctly points out the dangers of generalization in punditry. This then is followed by a dizzying set of examples of numerous broadcast personalities on FNC, doing the very same thing that had just been cited as unfair. The time honored axiom of “do as I say, not as I do” comes to mind.

Well now it was Goldberg’s turn to reply. And he opened with a refreshingly candid admission of being guilty as charged. He then turned the tables toward Stewart, pointing out that, while Stewart goes after both liberals and conservatives, his outrage over hyperbole and stereotypes is far from fair and balanced. He then challenged The Daily Show host to go after those on the left, including Frank Rich, Bill Maher and the “black columnists who play the race card and generalize about tea party people being racist.” And if he doesn’t, in Goldberg’s esteem Stewart is nothing but “just a safe, Jay Leno with a much smaller audience.” Yes, them’s fighting words.

While a real debate between Goldberg and Stewart would be fascinating, it will never happen. And something tells me that Jon Stewart will realize that Goldberg is benefiting far more from this tete a tete than he (or logic or reason for that matter), so we shouldn’t be surprised if Stewart doesn’t retaliate to this latest salvo. But we can dream.

A transcript of Goldberg’s soliloquy to Stewart follows the video below:



I am pleading guilty. and that’s a sincere plea of guilty. I said that liberals think people who live in the middle of the country are a bunch of jerks, and obviously all liberals don’t think that. but I will tell you what, an awful lot of liberal elites think that.

I worked with these liberal elites for 28 years at CBS News, and they were always throwing around the term white trash. By which they meant poor Southerners who didn’t go to Harvard. I’m not sure why that makes them trash. As far as the middle of the country is concerned, you know, this was flyover country where people flew the flag on the Fourth of July and went bowling and ate at Red Lobster. They were a bunch of hicks. Even all liberal elites don’t think that so I am saying I was wrong. Jon Stewart is right.

But, let me speak directly to Jon Stewart for a couple of seconds. I know he watches. He is a big fan of the show.

Jon, if you have an ounce of introspection. you may want to take this seriously. If you just want to be a funny man, who talks to an audience that will laugh at anything you say, that’s okay with me, no problem. But if clearly you want to be a social commentator, more than just a comedian and if you want to be a good one, you better find some guts because even though you criticize liberals as well as conservatives, congratulations on that, when you had Frank Rich on your show, who generalizes all the time about conservatives and Republicans being bigots, you didn’t ask him a single tough question. You gave him a lap dance. You practically had your tongue down his throat.

And how about those black columnists who play the race card and generalize about tea party people being racist? Why don’t you go after them by name and do it with the same passion and gusto that you use when you are going after Fox people? How about Bill Maher? Bill Maher generalizes about people who go to church being a bunch of dopes. Is there some rule that says a comic can’t go after another comic? Here is my it final word, Jon, you can do whatever you want. If you don’t do that guess what? You are not nearly as edgy as you think you are. You are just a safe, Jay Leno with a much smaller audience, but you get to say the f bomb, which gives your incredibly unsophisticated audience.

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  • Olby Sucks

    Scathing. ;)

  • http://www.anonymousfinch.com AnonymousFinch

    “You are not nearly as edgy as you think you are.”

    That’s exactly right. The irony of modern popular culture is the faux anti-establishment types who are conformists and are merely defending the establishment. People who believe in small government, individual rights, and personal responsibility are the real rebels and free thinkers who are bucking the establishment trend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-De-Rosa/503357744 Anthony De Rosa

    Guess what. I agree with Bernie!

    Everything Jon Stewart says about Fox News and conservatives is spot on, but even I want to see him go after liberals and all the people Bernie mentioned with the same surgical precision.

    MSNBC and all the other networks are ripe for roasting, and Stewart has nailed them from time to time, but not nearly enough.

  • shootfromthehip

    Stewart owns Fox (and Bil)l every single night.

  • Glenn.Bovine.Merrill

    I guess some actually needs to explain it to these morons.

    They repudiate a behavior then turn around and engage in the same.

    WHOA!

    Teabaggers, where were you from 2001 to 2008?

  • Olby Sucks

    The only time I’ve heard the hack aka lebowitz “criticize” a democrat was when he called obama “Bush-lite.”

  • Glenn.Bovine.Merrill

    Jeffy, well I guess you don’t mind I call you by your real name, Jeff Merrill.

    Just to let you know your tab is $20,000.

    Oh, that was courtesy of some idiot that came to defend you and lost big time.

    You might wanna talk to him about NOT helping you. You remember that saying…

  • Olby Sucks

    When doers count istavan get to come out and play, patty cakes? Or ted?

  • shootfromthehip

    “People who believe in small government, individual rights, and personal responsibility are the real rebels and free thinkers who are bucking the establishment trend.”

    Are these the “thinkers” you are talking about, Finch?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pilG7PCV448&feature=channel

  • Olby Sucks

    Sorry to hear your “spring surprise” turned out to be a flop…

  • germ

    Hey Heifer… err, Bovine,

    How many times is Mediaite going to ban you before you get the picture? Coming back with (.) between your immature screen name, doesn’t make you smart.

    Now go back to the asylum and let the grown-ups have a discussion.

  • http://www.anonymousfinch.com AnonymousFinch

    Shoot from the Hip:

    I’ll take them over these guys any day of the week:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msc34EwzyAA&feature=player_embedded

  • http://www.anonymousfinch.com AnonymousFinch

    I’ll take them over these guys, too:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

  • the real john t

    AnonymousFinch says:
    April 19, 2010 at 10:26 pm
    “You are not nearly as edgy as you think you are.”

    People who believe in small government, individual rights, and personal responsibility are the real rebels and free thinkers who are bucking the establishment trend.
    ———————————————-

    What is it they don’t have now than they did under the Bush Admin.? Where were they when Bush was in office?

  • http://www.articlesbase.com/health-articles/alta-white-teeth-whitening-review-does-alta-white-work-1 jenkinsol

    i read all topics and i like it and get some knowledge from it

    Alta Whitening
    Nitro Force

  • ImNotBlue

    the real john t says:
    April 19, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Wow… is this the new meme of the week? This is about the 10th poster who’s said the same thing today… in a variety of locations. Did KOS do a post about it? Apparently, the marching orders have come down… so prepare to hear this one over and over and over again.

    As has been said, and I guess has to be said one more time… there was widespread frustration (on both the left and the right) over Bush’s and the Republican’s spending habits. However, frustration did not reach a boiling point until the Wall Street bailouts happened, and people who were having hard times feeding their families, saw huge companies getting big chunks of their tax dollars. Of course, once Obama was elected, the left-wing objection to over-spending stopped… but somehow that wasn’t political, and not worth mentioning. *rolls eyes at obvious hypocrisy… again*

    Anger is like a cup of water. It doesn’t come out of the tap boiling… it takes some time, some heating, and some pressure before you hit that point. If you remember back to the early days of the Bush Administration, while there was frustration and anger on the left, there weren’t huge protests. It was only after Iraq, and the second election that the left lost their mind, and hit their boiling point.

    So in summation… the argument is bogus, and the explanation couldn’t be clearer.

  • Big_F-ing_Deal

    Haha…Bill and Bernie both admitted they were busted.

    Actually, when O’Reilly was talking about Clinton’s rhetoric tonight he also mentioned his own rhetoric about Obama making us more prone to attack.
    This is a direct result of Stewart. Bill knows that Jon is on to hypocrisy so he beats him to the punch by getting it out there first. hopefully defusing it..

    Jon has all these douchebags playing defense. lmfao

  • NORBIT

    heh -heh -heh

    Bernie took Stewart to school last night, and slapped him (and his intellectually-challenged audience) silly!!!

    Hey Progressives, be sure to watch those FOX viewership numbers & November results!!

    heh – heh – heh

  • Big_F-ing_Deal

    “WAIT TIL NOVEMBER. LEFTIES!!!”

    The mating call of the teabagger.

  • marcus.lewis

    @Colby

    Decent analysis, and you’re right that Stewart rarely gets into the back and forth. As for having Goldberg on Jon’s show; he has been on it. If you search for it, its under Bernard Goldberg on the TDS video archive.

    As for Bernie’s analysis, I’m just afraid that he is missing the point. Jon more often than not likes to find the contradictions of the news/opinion guys. Pointing out the contradictions of what one says is much smarter to do, as it shows a hypocracy. Maher is pretty consistent in his arguments, and he’s also doesn’t draw a huge audience. So attacking Maher for something he says would be pretty useless as he isn’t really a huge media icon. Bill O, on the other hand, is a huge media icon and attacking the guys on top who do straight news/opinion is much more effective.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    Bill O’Lielly and Rube Goldberg do miss the point. They cry foul for the very behavior they exhibit and then justify their behavior beause, “They did it first!!” The Bill and Rube show is juvenile pap, right wing Cap’n Kangaroo fluff.

  • m

    I worked with these liberal elites for 28 years at CBS News, and they were always throwing around the term white trash. By which they meant poor Southerners who didn’t go to Harvard. I’m not sure why that makes them trash. As far as the middle of the country is concerned, you know, this was flyover country where people flew the flag on the Fourth of July and went bowling and ate at Red Lobster. They were a bunch of hicks. Even all liberal elites don’t think that so I am saying I was wrong. Jon Stewart is right.

    HAHA! Bernie Goldberg, out of all people, attacks other people for being elitist? He’s been to more champagne cocktail parties than ANY regular American will have been throughout their entire life. Goldberg lives in a prestigious New York apartment and has been a New Yorker all his life. What the *hell* does he know about average Americans or fly-over states?

    You are not nearly as edgy as you think you are. You are just a safe, Jay Leno with a much smaller audience, but you get to say the f bomb, which gives your incredibly unsophisticated audience.

    …says the writer of one of the shittiest attempts of satire the last decade, “100 People Who Are Screwing Up America “

  • The Real Royal King

    Billy and Bernie! Pass the FiberCon!

    Good call on “100 People …,” M.

  • Dave Richards

    the real john t says:
    April 19, 2010 at 11:41 pm
    What is it they don’t have now than they did under the Bush Admin.? Where were they when Bush was in office?
    ****************************************************************************************************************
    This is the typical response from the uneducated. They always throw out Bush’s name.
    Hey, Johnny Boy, Bush is no longer President and your man Obama has doubled the deficit and will be running up the debt as far as the eye can see.

    As long as he gets the moochers and parasites “free” healthcare, nothing else matters to The One.

  • The Real Royal King

    Indeed, Dave, I am so tired of the elderly, infirm and children holding out their hands and expecting us to do something other than slam them away. Moochers and parasites.

  • valkyrie101

    Classic they can dish it out but can’t take it.

  • writer

    Stewart is an Obama fan. Stewart’s also Jewish. Is he aware that Obama’s pastor of twenty years is best friends with Louis Farrakhan, who hates Jews? To be fair, couldn’t Jon make some jokes about that, too?

  • valkyrie101

    So Obama is a friend with someone who hates Jews. So that makes Obama a Jew hater too? Rev. Moon hates Jews and whites, at least based on his sermons. And Moon co-sponsored with Farrakhan the million family march a few years ago. He is also friends with Farrakhan. And Moon is the publisher of the Washington Times, and is close friends with the entire Bush family, Dole, Newt, Lindsey Graham, and a host of others. So what to make of all that, writer? Wouldn’t it also be appropriate for Stewart to make some jokes about the Republicans befriending the Messiah?

  • Munch

    Your Frank Rich Interview Was a Lap Dance – ‘You Practically Had Your Tongue Down His Throat’

    So true but liberal men greet each other that way.

  • writer

    Valk, I’m one of those independents who think most Republicans and Democrats stink. Rev. Moon, Farrakhan, the whole lot stink. Difference is, you’ll tie Republicans in with Moon, but won’t tie Dems in with Wright and Farrakhan. Still that hesitancy to ever find fault with a black man.

  • Munch

    writer, valk tries to appear as an independent person, but he is a hardcore liberal and a socialist. He firmly believe it is the govt’s. duty to provide people with HC and jobs.

  • valkyrie101

    No, I do tie them together, writer, but here is the point: such things do not matter. None of the Wright stuff matters, Obama has many influences besides Wright, a flawed but often brilliant man. And the Republicans are not tarred and feathered by Moon. Why should they be. Moon is brilliant. And he has been a peace loving man, as far as I can tell. Even sponsoring conferences all over the world promoting it. I respect Reverend Moon, and my concept is that all select quotes taken out of the context of his life do not measure who he is, which I believe to be generally positive. Likewise, and this is why this whole issue with Wright being constantly brought up, as if it adds any new information, bothers me, it is not true with Reverend Moon, and it is therefore not true with Rev. Wright.

  • The Real Royal King

    When you wrote, “Rev. Moon hates Jews and whites, at least based on his sermons.,” Valkyrie, I focused on “moon” and “hates” and I remembered how much I dislike Moon Pies.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ln-Smithee/100000022977772 L.n. Smithee

    While a real debate between Goldberg and Stewart would be fascinating, it will never happen. And something tells me that Jon Stewart will realize that Goldberg is benefiting far more from this tete a tete than he (or logic or reason for that matter), so we shouldn’t be surprised if Stewart doesn’t retaliate to this latest salvo.

    Scuse me? More people watch Goldberg when he appears on O’Reilly Factor than watch Stewart. You know that.

  • writer

    So valk, Rev. Moon hates whites and Jews, and is a brilliant, peace loving man. Huh????

  • writer

    Minister Royal also hates white people, although he ‘claims’ to be one. LOL

  • ImNotBlue

    m says:
    April 20, 2010 at 8:10 am

    HAHA! Bernie Goldberg, out of all people, attacks other people for being elitist? He’s been to more champagne cocktail parties than ANY regular American will have been throughout their entire life.

    Again, elitism isn’t wealth or parties… it’s an attitude that says because of those things, I’m better. Bernie certainly doesn’t have that.

    Goldberg lives in a prestigious New York apartment and has been a New Yorker all his life. What the *hell* does he know about average Americans or fly-over states?

    Well, he grew up poor… and currently lives in FLORIDA… not in NY as you lied… I’m sorry, “claimed.” Additionally (if you read a little of his bio), he worked for CBS for many many years, and visited the entire country in doing so. So in short, you’re just making stuff up, apparently.

    …says the writer of one of the shittiest attempts of satire the last decade, “100 People Who Are Screwing Up America “

    Yes, that’s why it was a best seller.

    The Real Royal King says:
    April 20, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Funny, in one post you mock older folks, and then in the next one, you pretend to be concerned about them. HA!

    valkyrie101 says:
    April 20, 2010 at 10:00 am

    Classic they can dish it out but can’t take it.

    Really? They admitted Stewart had a point, and then returned volley. What part of that shows they “can’t take it?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ln-Smithee/100000022977772 L.n. Smithee

    m wrote:

    Bernie Goldberg, out of all people, attacks other people for being elitist? He’s been to more champagne cocktail parties than ANY regular American will have been throughout their entire life. Goldberg lives in a prestigious New York apartment and has been a New Yorker all his life. What the *hell* does he know about average Americans or fly-over states?

    You’re not paying attention. Goldberg is not saying he’s one of the folks in the heartland, he says he knows that people like Dan Rather and other East Coast Ivy League types look down on people whom they perceive as uneducated. Watch the video again and listen as he talks about hearing Southerners and midwesterners being referred to as “white trash.”

    You don’t need to eschew the rewards and trappings of education and achievement in order to understand that people who are not as sophisticated as you have their own value to America. Alleged “news reporters” who refer to Sarah Palin as a Barbie doll are the types to which Bernie refers.

    …says the writer of one of the shittiest attempts of satire the last decade, “100 People Who Are Screwing Up America “

    Dude, that wasn’t “satire.” Goldberg was snarky, but not satirical in 100 People. True, Goldberg is not a funny guy, or even IMHO a very good writer. But he’s a fantastic TV reporter, and was a one-man Fox News Channel when he was at CBS. That’s why I was a fan of his long before his groundbreaking Wall Street Journal op-ed admitting there is liberal bias in the news business.

    On the other hand, Stewart’s supposed to be this edgy, funny guy. Goldberg landed a sockdolager on him with that ‘Leno + the F-bomb’ statement. Think about it – what big punch line did Stewart consider before deciding on using the option of “Go f— yourself”? Probably nothing that makes his worshipful audience hoot and holler as much as cheap, gratuitous profanity.

  • valkyrie101

    Writer,
    If you imagine that the older generation is in any way politically correct with how they view racial, gay and religious matters, then you will understand the ninety year old Moon. It is heart that counts, and I see no reason to question Moon’s. Moon is no less “godly” than any business man who got his money through guile. Moon is honest, he does not hide what he says. I respect him for that.

  • http://soupsoup.tumblr.com Anthony De Rosa

    “You like to pretend, Bernie Goldberg, that the relentless conservative activism at Fox News is the equivalent of the disorganized liberal influence you find at MSNBC, ABC and CBS. You may be able to detect a liberal pathogen in their bloodstream, however faint, but Fox News is such a crazy overreaction to that threat. You’re like an autoimmune disorder. I’m not saying the virus doesn’t exist in some small quantity, but you’re producing way too many antibodies. Fox News, you’re the lupus of news.”
    — Jon Stewart

  • cBass

    “You have an unsophisticated audience”
    I bet if I beat him up I’ll proove I’m sophiticated to him, anyway that’s a little generalizing (bad thing) besides what kind of ignorant bastard do you have to be to watch Fox news anyway?
    Our teacher uses examples from fox news all the time to show that you shouldn’t belive everything you hear in the media. He shows us a clip and then we background check it, and they say a lot of bull shit on fox news…

  • writer

    So valk, all those posts you made about Moon influencing Republicans….you’re now saying that was a good thing?

  • ImNotBlue

    cBass says:
    April 20, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    You’ll find the same result if you check ALL new stations. It’s amazing how easy it is to prove journalists “wrong,” if you want to.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Mangan/100000213524770 David Mangan

    Bernie Goldberg, exaggerations and generalizations and all, is one of the VERY FEW real journalists left on the boob tube. Jon Stewart is a purveyor of fake news who is often hilarious, but just as often as phony as a $3 bill. His audience is as unsophisticated as room-temp IQ commenters here like ‘shootfromthehip’ and the very few times he pokes fun at the establishment icons like Obambi and Botox Nancy can hardly be compared to the nightly knocks on whatever conservative the state-controlled media has its crosshairs on.

    Stewart is as cowardly as he pretends to be. Goldberg is brave in comparison.

  • valkyrie101

    Yes, writer, it is a good thing because it is free within a democratic society. Whatever Moon’s role with the republicans, it is OK, because such relationships are protected under the constitution. I do not believe that attending a Moon event, listening to Moon, corrupts the minds of the conservatives. They are either corrupt or not, on their own. Moon just makes it easier to identify the hypocrites. I love him for that. Likewise, it is silly to keep doing the Jeremiah Wright, as if that relationship is who Obama is. In the end, Obama and his generation, at the Wright church, taught their parents as much as their parents taught them.

  • shootfromthehip

    Hey David. I was tested at 132. Hardly “room temp” IQ.

    I went to an Ivy League school. Did you?

    I make six figures and I am EXACTLY the demo advertisers are after on the Daily Show.

    From the looks of your photo, you seem to fall right in line with Fox’s demo (60+, retired with little disposable income).

    But sure, yes, I’m “unsophisticated.”

    Do you speak Latin?

    damnant quodnon intelligunt

    Look it up, genius.

    Anyone who uses the phrase “boob tube” is about as unsophisticated as your average Midwestern mechanic circa 1976.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tony-Westover/1496648721 Tony Westover

    Not only is Jon Stewart an intellectual coward, he’s a spineless conformist. I mean seriously, bitching about generalizations? This guys got stuffed in his locker a lot in high school.

  • Maddoxjohn17@yahoo.com

    SURPRISE,SURPRISE,ANOTHER DUNCE FROM BILLO’s bullshit

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