The old Death Panel lie, again. Beck and the Beckerheads seem to be unusually fond of this lie. Of course, so does the Drop Out Governor of Alaska.

What would be happening with Senator Bunning under Obamacare? Would he be in the mental illness ward of the Hospital of the Little Sisters of the Poor and Dirty? That would seem to be for the best.

It is not a lie. A segment to that effect was in an original version of the health care bill and was later removed, now allowing for cover that it does not exist. It may not have used that phraseology but it was included at one phase and the Dems have alluded to going back and making alterations to things if/when passage becomes a reality.

But Beck makes a point of separating his father as a person from the fact that the elder Olbermann is now a prop his son is brandishing at his political enemies as a human shield in the health care debate.

To accuse Olbermann of using his father as a prop (or an explanation for why he’s been acting weirder than normal)… well that’s just terrible! To say he’s using his father as a prop… awful. Now where are Palin’s kids, I wanna mock her…

Oh wait… Nevermind.

The Real Royal King says:
March 1, 2010 at 4:07 pm

The old Death Panel lie, again.

Yeah, still not a lie.

Still a lie, always a lie. And, the damage this lie has caused. Not only to the noble goal of improving our health care and medical services delivery, but also to the cause of clear, effective and compassionate end of life care and treatment. That’s the real victim in this horrible, calculated lie.

So it is a lie because it was based on actual legislation that was attempted to be passed?

MS: It is a lie because it is a deliberate, malicious distortion of legislation. Get a playbill if you don’t understand the production.

Martini, it’s a lie to TRRK because he’s blind as frickin’ bat and deaf as a post and (it would appear) dumb as a box of rocks. Some people can be presented all the facts in plain english in black and white and it simply will not register. It’s a disease. It’s faith, pure faith in the religion of liberal doctrine. Facts are not germane, noe even considered or allowed.

Yeah, I have to say Glenn was spot on. How exactly would passing Obamacare help his father? From BO’s own mouth if you are 80 and need a hip replacement, you aren’t necessarily going to get it. I’d say Keith’s dad would be way worse off. No need to let the facts get in the way though.

“Keith Olbermann is going through some tough times: his father is dying, and his father wanted to die. It was a powerful statement Wednesday, replete with details and emotion and just the right amount of political grandstanding that makes Olbermann one of the most powerful left-wing talent on cable news. Most were driven to compassion. Glenn Beck was mostly disgusted.”

So many things wrong w/ this statement don’t know where to begin. There was nothing “powerful” about Olbermann’s cheesily dramatic statement about his father. Olbermann is neither powerful nor talented. Perhaps “most” of Olbermann’s viewers were driven to compassion but “most” of them are sycophants and “most” Americans never heard of Olbermann.

If you look at Canadian and European health care systems, the ones the Left would love to emulate, they do decide when a patient is too old or too sick for further treatment/money. So I don’t see why people are claiming Beck is wrong about that. And comparing Olbermann using his dying father to push his liberal health care agenda versus Palin using Trig to push….what exactly? She hasn’t been out there pushing for special education funding or new legislation for those w/ special needs so….don’t see the validity of that comparison.

What I understand is there was loud denial of the language existing — and then the language was removed from the bill after the fact. And now it is a lie.

If you look at Canadian and European health care systems, the ones the Left would love to emulate, they do decide when a patient is too old or too sick for further treatment/money.

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Dear, we do the same thing here. It’s called triage. You get a short stay in a real hospital, then you get farmed out to an intermediate care facility or, eve worse, an assisted living center. No medical care in those horrible places.

MichelleF says:
March 1, 2010 at 4:32 pm

Yeah, I have to say Glenn was spot on. How exactly would passing Obamacare help his father? From BO’s own mouth if you are 80 and need a hip replacement, you aren’t necessarily going to get it. I’d say Keith’s dad would be way worse off. No need to let the facts get in the way though.

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From one so famous for her compassion, this means so much.

What exactly was incompassionate about my statement, King? I just quoted BO. If that’s not compassionate, take it up with him, not me.

The Real Royal King says:
March 1, 2010 at 4:20 pm

Still a lie, always a lie. And, the damage this lie has caused.

So even though that’s not what the facts say… even though that’s not what other countries in similar situations have demonstrated… even though that’s not what the truth is… you’ll continue to believe it’s a lie. No comment on the NYTimes reporting that “rationing is needed?”

Alright, if you’re gonna dig your feet in despite evidence… I’ll have to pretend to be surprised.

The Real Royal King says:
March 1, 2010 at 4:41 pm

No medical care in those horrible places.

Well, that’s wrong. My grandfather is 100% broke… no assets, no nothing. And he’s in an assisted living area/nursing home… they take care of him, feed him, watch him, etc. Medical care is part of the routine. Your statement is wrong.

ImNotBlue,
Well, that’s wrong. My grandfather is 100% broke… no assets, no nothing. And he’s in an assisted living area/nursing home… they take care of him, feed him, watch him, etc. Medical care is part of the routine. Your statement is wrong.

He knows it’s wrong. It’s like when Obama constantly talks about his daughter and the trip to the ER where he’s thinking about all those who wouldn’t get the same treatment. Either he’s a total liar or stupid, because everyone gets treated. That’s one of those inconvenient truths they don’t like to talk about.

The insurance companies already have death panels, have you not read about all the insured people who have been denied treatment b/c the insurance company says so? There are many cases out there like that.

The truth of the matter is we need to reform the abuses of the health insurance market.

Ashley, you know it is medical care to sustain, not to cure or improve. Don’t be disingenuous about this. You don’t pull it off well.

Where’s the (White) Royal ‘K’ing’s outrage at ‘K’eith using his father as a prop to garner sympathy? ‘K’inda hypo’K'ritical, isn’t it? ‘K’uite a ‘K’onundrum.

I’d rather just make a trade. Let that pathetic liberal white swine Keith Olbermann die and have his father live.

LORD, ARE YOU LISTENING??

Of course its a lie…or ignorance, except to teabaggers who believe Beck is the second coming and incapable of a lie!!. Okay I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and suggest he doesn’t know what he is talking about…ahem, yes I know, shocking.

Anyway, is this the rodeo clown Glenn, or perhaps its the get on your knees and pray Glenn? Maybe its the I’ll just make stuff up as I go Glenn? Tearful Glenn? Which is it teabaggers?!!

“No one is making fun of Trig; everyone is making fun of Sarah.”

That’s a lie. Need I remind you of the leftist buffoon that put a listing up on Ebay.com, offering to sell baby Trig? No, let’s just ignore that. And I bet if I did a search through Google I could find plenty of hate directed at Trig himself.

Let’s have some honesty, please.

Oh, and Olbermann is a joke. Beck is right as usual.

The Real Royal King says:
March 1, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Ashley, you know it is medical care to sustain, not to cure or improve. Don’t be disingenuous about this. You don’t pull it off well.

Again, are you talking to me? Why do you keep calling me “Ashley?” I’m still INB… I’ve only ever been INB… and if you have something that suggests differently, I sure would love to see it!

But there you go again… moving the goal posts. Exactly what should they do to help “improve or cure” my grandfather? He’s 88 years old… should they buy him a Harley? They do everything they can do… there is nothing to cure “old.”

I really hope you don’t think that Obamacare is going to be the cure-all that saves lives and makes us all immortal. I think perhaps you don’t understand the issue at all.

Oh yeah, I should also have a disclaimer: I used to work for a death panel! True story. Some medicaid claims need to be authorized before the service is approved. We had physicians and nurses who would determine medical necessity! *gasp*

At least Beck was only laughing at ‘K’eith, not at his fathers’ illness. That would be something akin to Bill Maher laughing at Cheney’s heart attack. (Which the left vigorously defended.)

I’m left, but I’m not vigorously defending Bill Maher. I think he’s a blowhard who says crazy wild things to get an audience, much like Beck. Maher isn’t even a dem.

Maher is certainly a left winger. And Beck wasn’t laughing at an old man’s illness, just the stupidity of the son.

Write,
Don’t forget Ed Schultz, who said he’d like to rip out cheney’s heart and kick it around. There’s the compassion of the left on full display! Of course, that didn’t get alof of of play in the media.

Marcus,
Can you eloborate of the crazy statements of Beck, please? The left always talks about this, but doesn’t offer evidence. For once it would be nice.

Sure Michelle. I am referring to the silly things he does like the tirade about Rockefeller square. Its amusing yes, but its a little crazy. Note that I’m not saying he’s crazy, I’m just saying he says some crazy stuff. I don’t think he would disagree with me either. He stated as much that he’s a rodeo clown.

@ marcus.lewis

What did he say that was untrue about Rockefeller square? Please, enlighten us.

Oh, and I want direct quotes from Beck, plus evidence refuting his claims. Thanks.

Something can be true and sill be a crazy tirade.

“Most were driven to compassion.”

Based on what?

TRRK~
My grandmom is old and sick as hell and she still gets plenty of treatment. She’s in a nursing home that my aunt (who’s a nurse) says is taking good care of her. She gets taken back and forth to the hospital when necessary but, obviously, she can’t live at a regular hospital for the rest of her life and she’s not dying. What’s the alternative? She’s too sick for home care. There are good nursing homes, you just have to put in the effort to find them. In other countries you wouldn’t have any choice and you would just get what they give you. And I can live w/o your condescending “Dear” thanks.

According to the American Medical Association’s National Health Insurer Report Card for 2008, the government’s health plan, Medicare, denied medical claims at nearly double the average for private insurers: Medicare denied 6.85% of claims. Average denial rate of medical claims by private insurers was 3.88%

In its 2009 National Health Insurer Report Card, the AMA reports that Medicare denied 4% of claims. Declines by private insurers was average of 2.79%.

Insurance companies suck but government sucks more. And you can sue insurance companies at least.

Since I’ve worked in that field denying and approving items, I can say fairly that we do deny a lot of claims. The #1 reason we deny a claim is because they submitted it to us, when it should have went to another agency. Other reasons for denials that are common are that the service was not deemed medically necessary or there were better options that were more cost efficient that would provide the same medical outcome.

Its much more likely for claims that get sent to the government get denied as service providers often send in multiple requests to different agencies. Sometimes we received a request for a service and it was already approved by another (the proper) agency, and we are still issuing a denial of that claim even though its approved.

writer says:
March 1, 2010 at 5:23 pm

Maher is certainly a left winger. And Beck wasn’t laughing at an old man’s illness, just the stupidity of the son.

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Yet, of the two, the son is probably in the greater pain at the moment. I guess a good laugh at a man struggling with the demise of someone he loves is uproariously funny. To some.

I believe the point KO was trying to make about his father’s healthcare–why doesn’t every citizen deserve to have access to it? Is his father more deserving than any one without health insurance to the great medicine available in the US? KO is very thankful and complimentary about his father’s healthcare and wishes it would be reasonably available to everyone.

But (White)Royal, isn’t Olbermann simply using his father as a prop? After all, any time a celebrity brings a family member into the public arena, doesn’t that mean the family member is being used? Why does it apply to Palin but not Olbermann? And during his heartfelt speech, didn’t Olbermann take time out to attack Palin? He couldn’t keep from politicizing his father’s illness. Beck’s comments weren’t about the old man being sick. They were concerning what a sick man Keith is.

marcus.lewis says:
March 1, 2010 at 7:18 pm

If I’m reading you right, Marcus, you are presenting anecdotal evidence that may account for at least some of the much higher rate of claim denial by Medicare/Mediaid and other agencies that administer public healthcare programs?

Thanks.

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