Talk about false equivalencies! On the one hand, we have government secrets finally revealed in an exercise of free speech/free expression/free press and the public’s right-to-know, on the other we have copyright and trademark enfringement being prosecuted. This man is not terribly bright, is he?

OMG I actually agree with Glenn on this issue. But I have to say it is an endless battle shutting down websites that sell fake goods. Good example is this website. Just what do you think those people that post the stuff for sale are selling on here. FAKE stuff. That is exactly how they operate.

Obama’s priority is to shut down the latest Justin Bieber copyright infringement rather than national security memo’s leaked by this scumbag from wikileaks.

Bobomatic said:
Obama’s priority is to shut down the latest Justin Bieber copyright infringement rather than national security memo’s leaked by this scumbag from wikileaks.

I do understand that the buck stops with Obama but to listen to all of you on here he would be working 24/7 with no sleep or food. Why O Why do you feel the need to blame everything on him? Ya’ll act like Ms Victim from Alaska!

Thank you . Principles 1&2 . LOL

BlackWidow said:
OMG I actually agree with Glenn post are selling on here.

Fact: Closet right winger!

BlackWidow said:
I do understand that all of you on here he would be working 24/7 with no sleep or food. Why O Why do you feel everything on him? Ya’ll like Ms Alaska!

Fact: Going rouge!

Couldn’t you just expect this idiot TRRK to start this thread off with his
usual absolute stupid renark>
Oh,well, now it is time for the other idiot GBR to weigh in
with his usuall BS.
Gotta stop ole Glenn!

Is this a US web site? Where is the server.

National Security can become a blanket excuse for anything the government doesn’t want the public to be aware of.

A similar thing happened during the Vietnam war with the Pentagon Papers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

Which helped end the horrible mistake in Viet Nam. It revealed long term lies presidents had told to the Us public about Vietnam. Nixon claimed national security and try Daniel Ellsberg for treason. They filed an injunction to stop the publication of the Papers, that went all the way to the USSC.

I would say the government has to show a very clear violation of national security before they can stop a constitutionally guaranteed free press.

Remark. Sorry! The guy just pisses me off!

we have government secrets finally revealed in an exercise of free speech/free expression/free press….

Yes. No government should be allowed to have secrets.

CosmosDan said:
Is this a US web site? Where is the server.

They didn’t grab the servers, they grabbed the domain names.

writer said:
Yes. No government should be allowed to have secrets.

Yes, the Real Rabid Kook remains a lunatic.

BlackWidow said:
I do understand that the buck stops with Obama but to listen to all of you on here he would be working 24/7 with no sleep or food. Why O Why do you feel the need to blame everything on him? Ya’ll act like Ms Victim from Alaska!

The right learned it’s lessons well form the left during 8 years of Bush being blamed for everything. Just ask Spike Lee & Olbermann. You reap what you sow.

For once I agree with Glenn Beck.

Somewhere, GBR is weeping.

Powerline makes an interesting note from the New York Times:

“The documents appear to have been acquired illegally and contain all manner of private information and statements that were never intended for the public eye, so they won’t be posted here.”

Well, kudos to the New York Times for behaving responsibly with classified information! But, wait. That isn’t in reference to the Wikileaks documents. That principled stand was taken in regard to the Climategate emails. They’re filling pages and pages on the stuff in the national security breaches.

The First Amendment does not authorize the Fourth Estate to be a fifth column. (h/t: S. Weasel)

Didnt we just shut down Iran’s nuclear power plants with a computer virus?…..
This is not Obama’s Fault, I think our government has been shady way before him.
There are very evil people in the world with alot of power. North Korea, Iran etc… So I think we understand why our government needs to sometimes be creative with dealing with them. You cant be rational with irrational people.

tatboy said:
The right learned it’s lessons well form the left during 8 years of Bush being blamed for everything. Just ask Spike Lee & Olbermann. You reap what you sow.

You are right. What goes around comes around. That is why I don’t get my panties all twisted. I bashed ole Bush for about 5 years myself.

LibertySister said:
Didnt we just shut down Iran’s nuclear power plants with a computer virus?…..This is not Obama’s Fault, I think our government has been shady way before him.There are very evil people in the world with alot of power. North Korea, Iran etc… So I think we understand why our government needs to sometimes be creative with dealing with them. You cant be rational with irrational people.

Gee I agree with you here to. Imagine that.

A spot-check on one of the torrent sites that I saw linked to the initial takedown is registered to a company in Egypt, but it’s registrar is within the United States. The Wikileaks domain is behind a privacy wall, but one would assume they’re registered overseas, quite possibly in Iceland that gives them a safe haven and minus the fact that they’re not subject to US law or international copyright treaties, a takedown of Wikileaks would also qualify as an international incident and an infringement upon free speech.

Disclaimer: I’ve never done a torrent and I only have rudimentary knowledge of the root name server system, so I may be mistaken about the logistics, but the “freedom” aspect is something with which Mr. Beck might should be concerned because if we’re going to start regulating and policing speech and if he’s advocating that the government take down the NYTimes, what would stop him from being next?

writer said:
we have government secrets finally revealed in an exercise of free speech/free expression/free press…. Yes. No government should be allowed to have secrets.

Like you I believe that everything should be open to we the people. I will say that is one disappointment I have had with Obama.

BW, are you being sarcastic about my sarcasm?

BlackWidow said:
Like you I believe that everything should be open to we the people.

Are you insane? You see no need for confidential communications in diplomacy, let alone combat management? How about crime investigation? Should law enforcement tell us everything they know about every case they work as soon as they know it?

I guess some would say that before the Normandy invasion, we should have sent the Germans a message saying ‘Here we come.” Keeping secrets is unfair.

Encryption is un-American, I suppose. And this (VA loses sensitive personal info for 26 million vets) is just a good start.

Pablo said:
Are you insane?

Troubled , to be sure .

To be honest, I’m not comfortable with the US government shutting down any websites, especially without due process. We all should be very uncomfortable with such power.

More Liberty said:
To be honest, I’m not comfortable with the US government shutting down any websites, especially without due process. We all should be very uncomfortable with such power.

It should be a slam dunk to show cause and get a court order on this stuff.

More Liberty said:
To be honest, I’m not comfortable with the US government shutting down any websites, especially without due process. We all should be very uncomfortable with such power.

That’s what Beck was getting at, but Colby seems to be implying that Beck’s all hot for the government to shut down internet sites, which is completely out of context.

writer said:
I guess some would say that before the Normandy invasion, we should have sent the Germans a message saying ‘Here we come.” Keeping secrets is unfair.

That’s certainly moronic. How did the invasion remain as secret as it did? How did the Manhattan Project remain as secret as it did? Certainly, the media know a great deal about both. Roosevelt and his Administration vested the media in war and vested the public. There were no new laws passed, no one was censored. Can you imagine how supportive Americans would have remained if we had been vested in the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq? Instead, W encouraged us all to go shopping. Frankly, President Obama hasn’t done much more.

More Liberty said:
To be honest, I’m not comfortable with the US government shutting down any websites, especially without due process. We all should be very uncomfortable with such power.

Amen.

Mr.Papshmer said:
That’s what Beck was getting at, but Colby seems to be implying that Beck’s all hot for the government to shut down internet sites, which is completely out of context.

I’d like to think that is what the Beckerhead believes, but frankly he was so engaged in incoherent babbling in this instance who would know?

The Real Royal King said:
I’d like to think that is what the Beckerhead believes, but frankly he was so engaged in incoherent babbling in this instance who would know?

I usually catch about five minutes of Beck on my way to work, and I heard the segment. He absolutely meant it that way, and warned against people clamoring for the government to shut down web sites.

King, FDR (the president, not your cat) let the press know as much as he wanted them to know. If you believe he told them absolutely everything, but trusted them to keep a lid on it, then you’re as stupid as usual.

Well as shown but his Net Neutrality rants and now this Beck knows jack shit about the internets. Tis a topic he should stay far, far away from.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Well as shown but his Net Neutrality rants and now this Beck knows jack shit about the internets. Tis a topic he should stay far, far away from.

LOL…”Net Neutrality” is simply just double speak to quote “1984.” Once again, you partisans should be very concerned when the government gets involved in such things.

LibertySister said:
Didnt we just shut down Iran’s nuclear power plants with a computer virus?…..This is not Obama’s Fault, I think our government has been shady way before him.There are very evil people in the world with alot of power. North Korea, Iran etc… So I think we understand why our government needs to sometimes be creative with dealing with them. You cant be rational with irrational people.

amen, sister.

More Liberty said:
LOL…”Net Neutrality” is simply just double speak to quote “1984.” Once again, you partisans should be very concerned when the government gets involved in such things.

Wow Beck viewer why am I not surprised one bit…..

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Wow Beck viewer why am I not surprised one bit…..

I’m not a “Beck viewer.” I’m simply being honest.

writer said:
King, FDR (the president, not your cat) let the press know as much as he wanted them to know. If you believe he told them absolutely everything, but trusted them to keep a lid on it, then you’re as stupid as usual.

Did I ever say that, Kumquat? The answer is, “No, I did not.” A democracy is, by its very nature, a sieve. And, keeping a massive deployment in a small area a secret is virtually impossible “but-for” the vesting I so eloquently described.

You’re a bit of a moron, aren’t you?

King, in your original post, you said
“we have government secrets finally revealed in an exercise of free speech/free expression/free press and the public’s right-to-know”

So are you saying that government’s should never have any secrets from the people, even in wartime? I was just commenting on your own idiotic statement.

writer said:
King, in your original post, you said
“we have government secrets finally revealed in an exercise of free speech/free expression/free press and the public’s right-to-know”

So are you saying that government’s should never have any secrets from the people, even in wartime? I was just commenting on your own idiotic statement.

No, Kumquat, you Mindless Twit, I am saying gouvernment is unable to guard secrets. The fail safe is a vested media, and a vested citizenry.

But that’s not what you said, King. Again “we have government secrets finally revealed in an exercise of free speech…”

That doesn’t sound like you were saying that a government is unable to guard secrets. Sounds more like you think it’s a good thing when they can’t.

King must have been using “Satire” when he wrote that writer.

Colby writes, “The subject of the recent release of classified documents by Wikileaks was a topic of conversation on nearly ever news and opinion program this morning, and Glenn Beck’s radio show was no exception.”

When Beck addresses something that’s both worthy and topical (news), that — in itself — is news.

I wonder how many steps it took Beck to link Assange to Adolf Hitler.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/glenn-beck-meet-godwins-law.html

The King always gets edgy when you use his own words against him. “That’s not what I said! That’s not what I meant!” LOL

There’s old “Glennbeckreview” back to obsess about some guy, and try and get people to go to his little website. LOL…strange

More Liberty says:
“To be honest, I’m not comfortable with the US government shutting down any websites, especially without due process. We all should be very uncomfortable with such power.”

And Glenn Beck, the pseudo-Libertarian, would by “very uncomfortable with such power” if he were not a … what’s the word? Oh, ya, HYPOCRITE!

(I think I just came up with the topic for another post: Beck hypocrisy number 21…and that’s just since April this year.)

GBR has been very successful. I notice that Beck is no longer on the air.

writer said:
But that’s not what you said, King. Again “we have government secrets finally revealed in an exercise of free speech…”

That doesn’t sound like you were saying that a government is unable to guard secrets. Sounds more like you think it’s a good thing when they can’t.

Kumquat, you Mindless Twit. I am saying the secrets were revealed after they were uncovered. Not that they were unveiled by the gouvernment.

writer said:
GBR has been very successful. I notice that Beck is no longer on the air.

However, serious people don’t take Beckerhead seriously. GBR has played some role in making that happen.

I have to comment on Beck’s picture: ever since he changed his views from liberal (no money in liberal talk radio) to conservative/reactionary and cut off his pony tail, he has come to really look the part: conservative meat-head. I’m not writing that Beck IS a conservative meat head, he just really looks it.

FYI: I don’t think Beck is a meat head. The more I listen the more I realize that he’s really, really, really average. It’s what you end up with when you balance ignorance (about subjects he addresses) with (having entertainment) genius. He’s average but inimitable (thank goodness).

And King, you Dubmtwat, where in your first post did you say “after they were uncovered”. You didn’t. Why not say what you mean in the first place, instead of making some stupid statement, then having to twist and turn to explain what you ‘really’ meant?

Whoever does not see the conspiracy in this entire Wikileaks issue, might have to sit down, relax, and do some critical thinking.

Don’t be fooled by the fact that the US government seems to be “embarrassed” about some of the vital information leaked now, and earlier this year(Department of Defence military documents and videos), and perhaps a few other less significant governments(Yemen,Saudi etc…) the leaks affected. Highly classified data and information controlled by the United State’s Department of Defence and Washington(Pentagon and White House) are obviously not easily accesible,and require a lot of classified administrative protocols and due process, before they are made available to ANYONE or ENTITY; yet it all seems so easy for Wikileaks to readily have access to hundreds of thousands of highly classified documents,videos, and secret data.

The questions you all should be asking is why it seems Wikileaks EASILY have the key to every vital and secret data they are interested in publishing, yet no single US government official(junior or senior) has been fired, resigned, prosecuted, interrogated or even blamed as Obama normally does.

There is a big difference between being embarrassed, and pretending to be embarrassed, or truly worried about the implications of vital data being made public, and pretending to be “truly worried”.

I see beyong the smoke and mirrors, even if the released information seems to affect both sides of the political spectrum, as it may have been cleverly orchestrated to be in order to remove a partisan undertone from the entire issue.

So far, one point certain here is that a very significant Government (the United States) is having its credibility,status, and security being reduced drastically, while that of countries like China are Russia are not affected. I have a strong conviction that this is a “cleverly orchestrated” plot to remove the world super power status from America, in synchronicity with the weakening of its economy already in the works. All this is being crafted from within the US system itself, and the impression of being “embarrassed” or “very worried” about the national security implications of the leaked information is all smoke and mirrors.

The Government knows precisely how to handle “critical” issues like this, assuming it was actually the case. I am by no meand decieved by the all smoke and mirrors; this is a very high level conspiracy every one much pay attention to and forget who seems to be “embarrassed” in some of the issues leaked.

The idea of a government entity shutting down a web site bothers me. I don’t care one way or another about wikileaks, per se simply because when they go down, another site will pop up in their place not long after. People want to know about this stuff and I one’s disapproval of such information is relative to the information being released.

writer said:
“GBR has been very successful. I notice that Beck is no longer on the air.”

The Real Royal King says:
“However, serious people don’t take Beckerhead seriously.”

I’m contemplating writing a post about how one would or could take Beck seriously. What would it mean to take someone, who plays loose and fast with the facts, seriously? How does one take someone, who has not expressed a “principle” that he hasn’t turned around and taken a dump on, seriously?

Beck’s lies and hypocrisy make it damn well impossible to take him seriously, not to mention his own claims to being a “rodeo clown.”

What would it mean to take Beck seriously? It would require empathy, to put oneself in the shoes of a supporter to understand how they take Beck seriously. It would require a kind of emptying of the mind, a kind of self-dumbing down. It would involve taking his followers seriously, or at least understanding them in a serious way. THAT would require disciplined, objective journalism (just to keep a straight face).

I’ll entertain ideas from Beck’s supporters. How, “writer,” or any other supporter of Mr. Beck, do you take Beck, a self-described rodeo clown, seriously?

writer said:
King, FDR (the president, not your cat) let the press know as much as he wanted them to know. If you believe he told them absolutely everything, but trusted them to keep a lid on it, then you’re as stupid as usual.

FDR used the censorship laws to keep the people of the USA from finding out that he was wheel chair bound due to Polio and that his condition was getting worse.

Maybe if WikiLeaks gave a cheap plastic toy and hamburger with their leaked info, then the San Francisco Board of Supervisors would shut them down. But the best would be if we could get the trial lawyers after them — maybe some kind of Rico violation (= death by unending lawsuits). The Democrats don’t really care to go after criminals, but if there is enough money in it for their trial lawyer buddies, then they will jump on the bandwagon.

LOGICandREASON says:
“The questions you all should be asking is why it seems Wikileaks EASILY have the key to every vital and secret data they are interested in publishing, yet no single US government official(junior or senior) has been fired, resigned, prosecuted, interrogated or even blamed as Obama normally does.”

I began reading your comment with great hope for insight coming from someone who chose such a grand name to make comments with. Then, I got to that paragraph and thought, “damn, what cave have you been living in?”

They have the soldier, Pfc. Bradley Manning, who accessed and leaked this information, under arrest and thrown in the brig. LOGICandREASON, am I missing something, or are you just hell bent on starting a conspiracy theory?

GBR, don’t watch Beck as religiously as you do, but the times I have, I don’t get that bent out of shape over what he’s saying. Sometimes I think he’s going overboard, and other times I think he’s spot on. (When he shows tapes of Rev. Wright or Van Jones speaking their own words, hard to see how Beck in ‘lying’ in those instances.) If you choose to be obsessed over some guy doing an opinion show, it’s a free country.

Why can some sites be shut down and not others? that would be because the mirrored sites can have many many copies with different IP addresses and these can be broadcasting from various locations in the planet. It is unfortunate that Fox News as usual is not consulting with technical staff that have any clue.

LOGICandREASON said:
…I see beyong the smoke and mirrors, even if the released information seems to affect both sides of the political spectrum, as it may have been cleverly orchestrated to be in order to remove a partisan undertone from the entire issue.

So far, one point certain here is that a very significant Government (the United States) is having its credibility,status, and security being reduced drastically, while that of countries like China are Russia are not affected. I have a strong conviction that this is a “cleverly orchestrated” plot to remove the world super power status from America, in synchronicity with the weakening of its economy already in the works. All this is being crafted from within the US system itself, and the impression of being “embarrassed” or “very worried” about the national security implications of the leaked information is all smoke and mirrors.

The Government knows precisely how to handle “critical” issues like this, assuming it was actually the case. I am by no means deceived by all the smoke and mirrors; this is a very high level conspiracy everyone should much pay attention to and forget who seems to be “embarrassed” in some of the issues leaked.

In a not-unrelated matter: http://americanvision.org/3762/the-lefts-last-gamble/

Does Wikileaks demonstrate impotence of Obama administration?

Contrast this, Thiessen argues, to the way Obama protected Hollywood last week:

Just this past week, the federal government took decisive action to shut down more than 70 Web sites that were disseminating pirated music and movies. Hollywood is safe, but WikiLeaks is free to disseminate classified documents without consequence.

It seems more than passingly strange that this administration has taken stronger action against copyright infringement than in protecting the secrets of the US and its allies. The Dept. of Justice didn’t use the US Cyber Command to take down the infringing sites, of course, and the Obama administration has publicly requested intervention by Sweden to essentially do the same thing to Assange that the DoJ did to the allegedly infringing websites, to no avail. There is a certain amount of consistency between the two for the White House, even if the contexts are wildly disparate.

The US is not bound to act only through civil courts for its own defense outside of the borders of the US, whether those courts are ours or another nation’s. The first release caught the Obama administration by surprise, but the subsequent two — and anything else that comes in the future — will not.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/29/does-wikileaks-demonstrate-impotence-of-obama-administration/

I noticed that the Real Racist King referred to his writing as eloquent. If its writing is so eloquent why is he constantly having to tell people what he really meant in subsequent posts. Maybe it simply doesn’t understand what eloquent means.

Eloquent — marked by forceful and fluent expression

and just in case it doesn’t know the word fluent either:

Fluent — capable of using a language easily and accurately

Doesn’t sound like the Real Racist King has a clue about what words mean. Not a surprise.

GlennBeckReview said:
I’ll entertain ideas from Beck’s supporters. How, “writer,” or any other supporter of Mr. Beck, do you take Beck, a self-described rodeo clown, seriously?

Well, over the years he’s built a level of credibility that you can never hope to reach. It takes work, and Beck has done the work. Just being a nut doesn’t get it done, as you prove on a daily basis.

tstev said:
Why can some sites be shut down and not others? that would be because the mirrored sites can have many many copies with different IP addresses and these can be broadcasting from various locations in the planet. It is unfortunate that Fox News as usual is not consulting with technical staff that have any clue.

Based upon previous reports, Wikileaks has designed themselves to be beyond a simple take down. Though, I kind of think that yesterday’s Denial of Service attack, whether it was the work of the CIA, Russia or quite possibly the Chinese was some kind of attempt to find their vulnerabilities.

Though of course, if you couple Wikileaks confirmation of China’s attack on Google with the (possibly North Korean) attack on Twitter several months back, along with the Russian thing against social media a couple of years ago and the recent revelation that for a brief time all internet traffic was hijacked through China, perhaps even the best-laid plans aren’t necessarily beyond all reach.

It’d just take an extraordinary effort and would result in an incident so large, it’d take more than just a bunch of mostly previously known stuff to bring about.

sarainitaly said:
Does Wikileaks demonstrate impotence of Obama administration?

Contrast this, Thiessen argues, to the way Obama protected Hollywood last week:

Just this past week, the federal government took decisive action to shut down more than 70 Web sites that were disseminating pirated music and movies. Hollywood is safe, but WikiLeaks is free to disseminate classified documents without consequence.

It seems more than passingly strange that this administration has taken stronger action against copyright infringement than in protecting the secrets of the US and its allies. The Dept. of Justice didn’t use the US Cyber Command to take down the infringing sites, of course, and the Obama administration has publicly requested intervention by Sweden to essentially do the same thing to Assange that the DoJ did to the allegedly infringing websites, to no avail. There is a certain amount of consistency between the two for the White House, even if the contexts are wildly disparate.

The US is not bound to act only through civil courts for its own defense outside of the borders of the US, whether those courts are ours or another nation’s. The first release caught the Obama administration by surprise, but the subsequent two — and anything else that comes in the future — will not.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/29/does-wikileaks-demonstrate-impotence-of-obama-administration/

You really shoveled that pasta down your gullet to get back for more Obama bashing, didn’t you? Well, your hatred for our President seems to sustain you. Do you hate your own president (Berlusconi) as much, or do you just hate American presidents?

GlennBeckReview said:
I’m contemplating writing a post about how one would or could take Beck seriously.

Oh, please do! Shit! There’s millions, no, billions of people waiting to hear what you think of Beck and his audience. You’ll post it on your retarded web site, right? Hurry, go write that sumbitch!

Great point, Beck!!!

Also, if the govt can send a man to the moon how come it cant stop male pattern baldness!?!?!!!

tstev said:
It is unfortunate that Fox News as usual is not consulting with technical staff that have any clue.

Fox News has zero to do with Beck’s radio show.

Really? Freedom of the press is to be equated with copyright and trademark violations? The right wing takes their stupidity to ever-deeper levels with every passing day.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Oh, please do! Shit! There’s millions, no, billions of people waiting to hear what you think of Beck and his audience. You’ll post it on your retarded web site, right? Hurry, go write that sumbitch!

Hey look, gynocreep is here! What other wonderful gynecological procedures have you considered turning into Mediaite profiles? You must a hit with the ladies!

sarainitaly said:
Does Wikileaks demonstrate impotence of Obama administration?

Let’s see, you have a Bush aide, Mark Thiessen, a man who actually laughs at people being tortured and slanders DOJ attroneys, a serial liar, being quoted by a rightist hack (Ed Morrisey) in a Malkin blog concerning the Obama Administration? And, you expect to have credibility?

For some informed reads on Tumbleweed’s hero du moment:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/mark-thiessen-it-was-torture.html

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/mark-thiessen-compares-doj-attorneys

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Great point, Beck!!! Also, if the govt can send a man to the moon how come it cant stop male pattern baldness!?!?!!!

Why stop it? Its a sign of superiority!

More on Tumbleweed’s hero, including his stammering moronic whining on Stewart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioFvN5JOPP8&feature=related

and Gawker’s view of this buffon:

http://gawker.com/5499204/cia-torture-groupie-marc-thiessen-lies-about-everything

Tumbleweed, please start reading the links you post!!!

The Real Royal King said:
However, serious people don’t take Beckerhead seriously. GBR has played some role in making that happen.

no–seriously? RRK says (so it must be true) that “serious” people (those who agree with him) don’t take Beck seriously, and it’s because of GBR?

tell me King…is it drugs? is it that you’re not taking enough of your meds or are you smoking too much of that green stuff? are you very very young, or just very very stupid? are you–gosh, could you be from another planet? you don’t seem to know very much about this one.

If I were an enemy of this country I would be very skeptical of any intelligences I got from an internet site. We as well as other countries have been doing these tricks for years. We use to bombard Nazi Germany with false intelligences during WW II and every other war we have been involved in. I haven’t a clue whether any of this information has an ounce of value associated with it nor does anyone else except those people who need to know. Sure makes for a good spy story however and from the sounds of the media reaction it makes for good press. The founder of Wikileaks will probably be our next billionare given the new popularity of his site.

Shutting down this site will only produce a copycat. If there is any value to this story we need a serious shake up those responsible for information flow through our highly classified areas of the goverment. Attacking the website is like getting a flu shot after you’ve already had the flu.

Pablo, what is your technical argument? Is ranting a technical argument? No it isn’t. Beck’s staff are as incompetent as you are to have built that argument. Like everything else with you guys deal with, knowledge and facts are not material. Ranting is all that you do. Giving yourself thumbs up does not equate to a factual argument.

I takes dishonestly by technical staff, stupidity fraud or carelessness to come of with inane claims typical of Fox News. Are Fox’s staff, all as stupid as you people are? Or you are as stupid as they are?

tstev said:
Pablo, what is your technical argument? Is ranting a technical argument?

The only technical argument I’ve made is that DHS didn’t grab the website servers, it grabbed their domain names. Do you understand what that means and would you like to argue with it? Or would you like something more your speed to argue with? Here, I’ll give you this:

FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS FOX NEWS!!!

There. That should keep you busy for a while.

tstev said:
I takes dishonestly by technical staff, stupidity fraud or carelessness to come of with inane claims typical of Fox News.

If you could do that in English, that would be awesome.

Magister, that is right, Wikileaks has designed themselves to be beyond a simple take down. Denial of service is service produced by the CIA experts but it would be only short term till they bypass it. Internet gurus can out do each other till someone else out does them.

It may sound inane to you but it reveals the cards that people were just guessing to be there. I haven’t looked at the material but the reports of the material myself.

I personally believe that all governments should be transparent. What will it take to have that? Would it be global leaks in all countries? Would it be another 200 years of progress?

Pablo said:
If you could do that in English, that would be awesome.

Earthquakes are awesome. Erupting volcanoes are awesome. The Grand Canyon is awesome. Proper punctuation is just nice. If you could keep your hyperbole to political issues, that would be normal. ;-)

This phony idiot moans and moans about the Govt all day, but would use it in a way he complains all the time. The true Nazi is coming out now, POS.

nice try skyfet, the government does have the job of protecting american security, ie classified documents, that they cant do this should show you something

writer says:
“GBR, don’t watch Beck as religiously as you do, but the times I have, I don’t get that bent out of shape over what he’s saying. Sometimes I think he’s going overboard, and other times I think he’s spot on. (When he shows tapes of Rev. Wright or Van Jones speaking their own words, hard to see how Beck in ‘lying’ in those instances.)”

I don’t care that Beck goes overboard sometimes, and I think he’s spot on about 1-2/month. When he shows tapes of people talking, as he did Van Jones during the show that’s still on as I type this comment, he usually takes them out of context and often, like tonight, completely distorts the meaning of the person’s words.

I didn’t take notes just now, but Beck reshaped the meaning of Van Jones’ “top down, bottom up and inside out” explanation of activism to make it into Van Jones ripping the country apart to destroy our Republic. Beck claimed again that he doesn’t think his viewers are morons, but people who listen to Beck and hear him change the meanings of other people’s words without getting up, changing channels and declaring never to watch the deceptions of that yellow propagandist ever again are something close to morons. Let’s call them gullible tools.

skyfet said:
This phony idiot moans and moans about the Govt all day, but would use it in a way he complains all the time. The true Nazi is coming out now, POS.

Nice try, but like Colby, you’ve been suckered. Beck was warning against the dangers of using the federal government to shut down internet sites. But you wouldn’t know that, because you read the headline and nothing else.

The left often points out that conservatives live in a bubble, in that they get news from Fox or conservative internet sites, and have only one perspective. You read an out of context headline, and felt compelled to call Beck a Nazi. You are one fucked up individual.

GlennBeckReview said:
Let’s call them gullible tools.

I loved Beck’s attack on the FDA today.
According to Beck there is no reason to modernize its standards…we have had a few spinach and guacamole deaths and that’s it. Not a bad record at all, unless you are the ones who died from the spinach, then it kinda sucks.

ALSO, IT’S A PROGRESSIVE PROGRAM!!!!!!

Pablo, there are more than three issues and you are clueless to think that DNS server can be used to block publication/

- American government does not own all domain servers out right to control it like a ascist government.
- A US judge tried to block it so what happened? you tell me.
“A US judge makes a move that seems in flagrant breach of its First Amendment and takes down the leaks site”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/feb/18/incrediblywikileaksisdelete.
- There is no need for a domain to publish. All they need is an IP address and a search will find the material.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Beck was warning against the dangers of using the federal government to shut down internet sites.

That’s certainly possible and we wouldn’t know from the short clip posted here. Obviously, context is important to you. But perhaps not important enough to stop hammering on Obama’s “57″ states, or his “Muslim faith,” or any number of other clips you and your troll friends take out of context to bash the POTUS. Suddenly, you’re ALL about context. But when it’s time to put Obama’s comments in context, no effing way! You may be right about this one, but you’re still a hypocritical ass. Oh and…

Mr.Papshmer said:
You are one fucked up individual.

Nobody around here is more fucked up than an asshole named after a gynecological procedure. Except maybe Bloyer. LOL

tstev said:
Magister, that is right, Wikileaks has designed themselves to be beyond a simple take down. Denial of service is service produced by the CIA experts but it would be only short term till they bypass it. Internet gurus can out do each other till someone else out does them.

It may sound inane to you but it reveals the cards that people were just guessing to be there. I haven’t looked at the material but the reports of the material myself.

I also haven’t looked at the reports or thoroughly researched the question, but though the blogs all seemed to jump on the CIA for the DoS attacks, my instincts tells me that it could’ve been the Chinese using the timing to deflect suspicion.

Magister, it is possible in fact. China would be afraid of a Chinese wikileak and so are many governments that have a lot to hide. Leaking information that people don’t know can change the world politics as we know it or maybe not and they will work even harder to hide everything!. If people thought that they are always on record , they will behave differently for sure though.

Paul Westlake said:
Earthquakes are awesome. Erupting volcanoes are awesome. The Grand Canyon is awesome. Proper punctuation is just nice. If you could keep your hyperbole to political issues, that would be normal. ;-)

Dude, chill. ;-)

GlennBeckReview said:
Beck claimed again that he doesn’t think his viewers are morons, but people who listen to Beck and hear him change the meanings of other people’s words without getting up, changing channels and declaring never to watch the deceptions of that yellow propagandist ever again are something close to morons. Let’s call them gullible tools.

Says the guy who purportedly watches Beck religiously so that he might review him. Sweet.

tstev said:
Magister, it is possible in fact. China would be afraid of a Chinese wikileak and so are many governments that have a lot to hide.

It would not shock me to find that we collaborated. Assange is playing a very dangerous game here, and every foreign ministry in the world has a nauseous feeling right now while every intelligence agency but ours is cautiously gleeful.

tstev said:
Pablo, there are more than three issues and you are clueless to think that DNS server can be used to block publication/

- American government does not own all domain servers out right to control it like a ascist government.
- A US judge tried to block it so what happened? you tell me.
“A US judge makes a move that seems in flagrant breach of its First Amendment and takes down the leaks site”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/feb/18/incrediblywikileaksisdelete.
- There is no need for a domain to publish. All they need is an IP address and a search will find the material.

Wow, you totally got me! Not.

When I was making that technical argument, I was talking about the sites the government has just shut down for piracy.

I don’t know what you’re arguing with, but it isn’t me. You could check it. Here’s what I said:

The only technical argument I’ve made is that DHS didn’t grab the website servers, it grabbed their domain names. Do you understand what that means and would you like to argue with it?

That’s a True/False question. There really isn’t any nuance about it. It’s what happened.

tstev said:
Magister, it is possible in fact. China would be afraid of a Chinese wikileak

I’m not sure what you’re calling a “Chinese Wikileak”, but yesterday’s dump had a lot of info about China and I believe they’ve been the subject of a previous leak (though, I may be misremembering), but it seems that any way you cut it, considering China’s position in the world and the way they’ve been flexing their internet muscle, it stands to reason that they’d be interested in checking the group’s vulnerabilities and gathering intelligence for themselves as a matter of survival.

Oh, and Pablo… as you stated in one of your earlier comments and I said in my first: DHS simply rerouted the domain names by targeting only those registered in the US (or possibly a European ally) and they never actually did anything to the servers. You are and were correct. I just wanted to state that for the record.

Magister said:
I just wanted to state that for the record.

Thank you, Magister. Gracious, honest and appreciated. Would that we had more of that around here.

@GlennBeckReview says:

I began reading your comment with great hope for insight coming from someone who chose such a grand name to make comments with. Then, I got to that paragraph and thought, “damn, what cave have you been living in?”

They have the soldier, Pfc. Bradley Manning, who accessed and leaked this information, under arrest and thrown in the brig. LOGICandREASON, am I missing something, or are you just hell bent on starting a conspiracy theory?

Do you at all know how the United States Department of Defence works? Or do you have a single clue about data encryption and the protocols for accessing highly classified data controlled by the Pentagon? Do you realized that wikileaks have more than 2 million highly classified documents? if so then what has Pfc. Bradley Manning have to do with the matter?

Did you even follow the Pfc. Bradley Manning issue in the news and how the matter is being handled?

LOGICandREASON said:
Do you realized that wikileaks have more than 2 million highly classified documents? if so then what has Pfc. Bradley Manning have to do with the matter?

It’s generally understood that Manning is the source of these cables. It has been known that he dumped them to Wikileaks since he got busted. His chat logs with Adrian Lamo, who turned him in, discuss the quarter million diplomatic cables. Manning was the leak, it seems.

Pablo, you are clueless as I said. Those sites are back up. They shut them for one day! a profitable day though.

“The TorrentFreak blog has posted a list of sites it claims were shut down by the ICE. Other published reports claim the sites are already up and running again under different domain names. ”
http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/policy/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=228400152&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_All

Magister, I don’t think that you understood what I was saying. i.e. Other countries like China would have their own angle and data and Wikileak has only published the American based data so far. Information about China based on American intelligence is not all that there is.

@tstev: Like Pablo previously, I’m not sure with whom you are arguing because we three seem to be in something of an agreement.

The link I offered in a prior comment implies that this most recent dump contained…

The files contain 3297 cables from Beijing, 555 from Shanghai, 662 from Guangzhou, 260 from Chengdu 260, 120 from Shenyang 120 and 950 from Hong Kong.

And though Assange has tried to play down the role played by listening-in on Chinese hackers and espionage agents through one of its original member’s TOR nodes in 2006, most likely because the breach caused something of an uproar among those who use the service, it has been widely reported and all Assange has really said is that they haven’t released the information. Which means that it’s still out there and is most likely why China has firewalled-out Wikleaks and all of its subs since at least 2008, if not earlier and its still not listed by Yahoo.cn or the Baidu search engine.

FYI: Here’s a link to Assange’s slight backpedal on TOR, which contains links to the two original articles.

Whoops! Apparently I didn’t properly close my blockquote and the article clip should’ve ended after “Hong Kong” with the remainder being editorial comment added by me.

Sorry, but this site doesn’t let us edit or preview. It can be frustrating.

@cjd ohio 1 + Mr.Papshmer
So you must support Nixon’s enemies list by your defence of this Joker.

tstev said:
Pablo, you are clueless as I said. Those sites are back up. They shut them for one day! a profitable day though.

“The TorrentFreak blog has posted a list of sites it claims were shut down by the ICE. Other published reports claim the sites are already up and running again under different domain names. ”

What part of that leads you to conclude that I’m wrong about DHS having seized their domain names? You are approaching maximum density, tstev.

http://mydreamwatches.com/

http://rapgodfathers.com/

http://burberryoutletshop.com/

http://louis-vuitton-outlet-store.com/

http://torrent-finder.com/

It sure looks like those domain names have been seized by DHS. I guess the intertubes are clueless too.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Great point, Beck!!!

Also, if the govt can send a man to the moon how come it cant stop male pattern baldness!?!?!!!

I’d take a baldness cure over space travel any day.

Pablo, how clueless can you be, the seizure had no effect and therefore there is no way you can prohibit the publication of the documents because there are many paths of work around. You don’t seem to stupid but rather intentionally clueless just for sake of ranting.

Keep the flow of info coming Wikileaks!!!!!!!!! We have a right to know whats going on.

GlennBeckReview said:
“I’ll entertain ideas from Beck’s supporters. How, “writer,” or any other supporter of Mr. Beck, do you take Beck, a self-described rodeo clown, seriously?”

Pablo says:
“Well, over the years he’s built a level of credibility that you can never hope to reach. It takes work, and Beck has done the work. Just being a nut doesn’t get it done, as you prove on a daily basis.”

Credibility? Aside from describing himself as a rodeo clown and lying, something you are obviously oblivious to, Beck rarely, if ever, corrects the abundance of false claims that he makes on his show. By definition, Pablo, that destroys any so-called “credibility” he has with people who care about the facts. That is something that you and the rest of his audience lack: care and concern for the facts.

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
“I loved Beck’s attack on the FDA today.
According to Beck there is no reason to modernize its standards…we have had a few spinach and guacamole deaths and that’s it. Not a bad record at all, unless you are the ones who died from the spinach, then it kinda sucks.”

Interesting; people on the left writing comments here seem to watch more of Mr. Beck than those who support this guy.

Anyway, to your point: Beck lied about what he said about food safety. Yes, he understated the problem and made adoption of the food safety bill, which passed the Senate today, a precursor to a totalitarian take-over of food production leading to, he claimed, “starvation.”

How Beck lied:

Glenn Beck distorted a Congressional Budget Office cost estimate to claim that food-safety legislation would mean “higher taxes for you,” baselessly claimed the bill would drive up food costs, and underplayed concerns about food safety. Beck demonized the legislation as a George Soros-backed effort to “control you.”
Beck distorts CBO report to claim legislation means “higher taxes for you”

Beck: Food Safety Modernization Act “will mean higher taxes for you.” During the November 29 edition of his Fox News show, Glenn Beck claimed that the Food Safety Modernization Act is “going to mean higher taxes for you as well. Congressional Budget Office estimates between $1.4 billion and up, between 2011 and 2015.” Beck said the bill represented a George Soros-backed effort to “control your food” and “control you.” [Glenn Beck, 11/29/10]

FACT: CBO said the bill would “increase spending subject to appropriation” — not taxes. In its cost estimate of the Food Safety Modernization Act, the CBO wrote, “CBO estimates that implementing the bill with the manager’s amendment would increase spending subject to appropriation, on net, by about $1.4 billion over the 2011-2015 period, assuming annual appropriation action consistent with the bill.” [Congressional Budget Office, 8/12/10]

FACT: CBO said the bill would authorize collection of fees from food manufacturers — not “higher taxes for you.” In its cost estimate, CBO reported:

S. 510 would amend and modify the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to authorize the FDA to collect fees to help defray some of the FDA’s costs of performing food safety activities. The bill would create new fee programs including: a facility reinspection and recall fee program for mandatory recalls, an importer fee program for voluntary qualified entities, and a fee program to support accreditation of third-party auditors.

The legislation also would authorize the FDA to collect fees for food (including animal feed) export certificates under the current export certification program. Fees are currently collected for drugs and devices that are issued export certifications.

Fees authorized by the bill would be collected and made available for obligation only to the extent and in the amounts provided in advance in appropriation acts. As a result, those collections would be credited as an offset to discretionary spending.[Congressional Budget Office, 8/12/10]

Beck baselessly claims bill will result in higher grocery prices

Beck: The cost to “you at the grocery story” is “expected to be hundreds of millions of dollars every year.” From the November 29 edition of Fox News’ Glenn Beck:

BECK: Cost to the private sector — you know, you at the grocery store? Now, they haven’t calculated that yet, but it is expected to be hundreds of millions of dollars every year.

FACT: Michigan State University professor says bill “isn’t likely to make a huge dent” in food prices. As Media Matters documented, Craig Harris of the Food Safety Policy Center at Michigan State University reportedly said that the bill is unlikely to raise consumers’ food costs:

Although costs of food production may rise as a result of the bill, the amount isn’t likely to make a huge dent in most large food companies’ profits, Harris said, so the added costs shouldn’t trickle down to the consumers. For small companies and local farmers, the bill includes exemptions and special accommodations, recognizing that some companies may not be able to keep up with the costs of adopting new safety practices.

Beck underplays food-safety problem

Beck: “Is there a big problem” with food safety “that I don’t know of?” From the November 29 edition of Fox News’ Glenn Beck:

BECK: Congress is working hard to make sure that the food that you eat is completely safe. Now, you might be thinking to yourself, “Glenn, I think my food is already safe.” But that’s just how stupid you are. They know better in Washington.

Apparently, our food is very unsafe. That’s why tonight, the Senate is scheduled to start voting on S510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act. It is fanta– it’s gonna be so modern, what they’re doing. May I ask you, who on the planet has a safer food supply than we do while feeding 300 million people? Is it China? Is it India? Is it — oh, is it Great Britain? Ooh, Sweden? Oh, no.

Is there a big problem that I don’t know of? I mean, I know that, you know, we could always make things better here. There was a problem with spinach a couple of years ago, and then guacamole or avocados, or something. I think that was quickly resolved — minimal to no interruption of our normal food supply.

[...]

BECK: We could always improve, but there will be never be a perfect system with zero problems, will there?

FACT: GAO declared federal oversight of food safety a “high-risk” problem. From a 2007 Government Accountability Office report that was part of its series on “high-risk problems”:

Each year, about 76 million people contract a food-borne illness in the United States; about 325,000 require hospitalization; and about 5,000 die, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In addition, agriculture, as the largest industry and employer in the United States, generates more than $1 trillion in economic activity annually, or about 13 percent of the gross domestic product. The value of U.S. agricultural exports exceeded $68 billion in fiscal year 2006. An introduction of a highly infectious foreign animal disease, such as avian influenza or foot-and-mouth disease, would cause severe economic disruption, including substantial losses from halted exports. Similarly, food contamination, such as the recent E. coli outbreaks, can have a detrimental impact on local economies. For example, industry representatives estimate losses from the recent California spinach E. coli outbreak to range from $37 million to $74 million.

A challenge for the 21st century is how several federal agencies can integrate the myriad food safety programs and strategically manage their portfolios to promote the safety and integrity of the nation’s food supply. In numerous previous reports, we have described the fragmented federal food safety system in which 15 agencies collectively administer at least 30 laws related to food safety. The two primary agencies are the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), which is responsible for the safety of meat, poultry, and processed egg products and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which is responsible for virtually all other foods. Among other agencies with responsibilities related to food safety, the National Marine Fisheries Service in the Department of Commerce conducts voluntary, fee-for-service inspections of seafood safety and quality; the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulates the use of pesticides and maximum allowable residue levels on food commodities and animal feed; and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is responsible for coordinating agencies’ food security activities.

The food safety system is further complicated by the subtle differences in food products that dictate which agency regulates a product as well as the frequency with which inspections occur. For example, how a packaged ham-and-cheese sandwich is regulated depends on how the sandwich is presented. USDA inspects manufacturers of packaged open-face meat or poultry sandwiches (e.g., those with one slice of bread), but FDA inspects manufacturers of packaged closed-face meat or poultry sandwiches (e.g., those with two slices of bread). Although there are no differences in the risks posed by these products, USDA inspects wholesale manufacturers of open-face sandwiches sold in interstate commerce daily, while FDA inspects closed-face sandwiches an average of once every 5 years.

This federal regulatory system for food safety evolved piecemeal, typically in response to particular health threats or economic crises. During the past 30 years, we have detailed problems with the fragmented federal food safety system and reported that the system has caused inconsistent oversight, ineffective coordination, and inefficient use of resources. [Government Accountability Office, January 2007]

http://mediamatters.org/research/201011300002

Hey, Pablo, where’s Beck’s so-called credibility now?

Finally, about stopping Wikileaks: the SCOTUS won’t stop a free press. It didn’t stop the NY Times from publishing the Pentagon Papers and it won’t stop Wikileaks from doing the same thing.

You know you’re insane, right, GBR?

tstev said:
Pablo, how clueless can you be, the seizure had no effect and therefore there is no way you can prohibit the publication of the documents because there are many paths of work around. You don’t seem to stupid but rather intentionally clueless just for sake of ranting.

You still don’t get it. I said that DHS seized the domain names, period. They did, and you have presented no evidence to the contrary because there is no evidence to the contrary. the evidence that they did can be found by visiting the domains and seeing the DHS seizure notices. If you’re going to argue with the voices in your head, do me a favor and either keep the conversation in your head or stop calling them Pablo.

It’s all symptomatic of an impotent president and impotent administration. Where the hell is Mark Lloyd when you need something useful done?

Pablo said:
You know you’re insane, right, GBR?

Wow, you really showed him. I mean, case closed.

lol

writer said:
GBR has been very successful. I notice that Beck is no longer on the air.

This might be the best post I’ve ever read on this site. What a razor sharp wit you have!

Pablo says:
“You know you’re insane, right, GBR?”

You, who defends Glenn Beck (by attacking his critics), think I’m “insane.” Let’s review a few things Beck has said, shall we?

Isn’t Expelled like [sic] the greatest movie ever? The New York Times hates it, so it must be good.
I’m just a rodeo clown.
Believe what I say… you’re an idiot.
I either believe what I say, or I’m a fraud.
[screaming] GET OFF MY PHONE, YOU LITTLE PINHEAD! I don’t care – YOU PEOPLE don’t CARE about the trillions – GET OFF MY PHONE!!!!
I’m not seditious; I just love my country so much, I have to hate it.
The constitution is held up by faith, hope and charity.

There are, in my view, even nuttier things that Beck has said, things that Paul Waldman has called “completely insane.”

Pablo, you can continue your baseless and silly ad hominem attacks on my until you’re blue and under ground, but you have not yet begun something that would make you the laughing stock of intelligent commentors on MediaFight: you haven’t tried to defend your rodeo clown/hero.

Grow a pair, Pablo, and defend Beck instead of showing how shallow you are by attacking me.

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
“I loved Beck’s attack on the FDA today.”

Covered it:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/petition-fire-glenn-beck.html

Beck has been busy this week making things up about the food safety bill. And net neutrality. And health care reform. And the Federal Reserve. And the Smithsonian. And Wikipedia. And he claimed that he should be fired to making thing up. Just another week in the life of this rodeo clown/self promoted messenger of God.

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with some original thoughts on this subject. Really thank you for starting this
up. This website is something that is needed on the web, someone with a little
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