Tommy was busy today!

Didn’t she say that our boarders are safer today than ever before.

When Pancho Villa crossed the border we sent the army into Mexico. Today we don’t use the army and we don’t let border guards shoot. What is wrong with this picture?

AFA the headline: People need to get past the idea of changing the 14th Amendment. If they can’t get past the idea, 1) read it and 2) take a civics class refresher course.

We really need people to become educated and get over their knee jerks reactive reactions.

“When Pancho Villa crossed the border we sent the army into Mexico. Today we don’t use the army and we don’t let border guards shoot. What is wrong with this picture?”

gordo-that was literally over A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. TIMES CHANGE!!!

And bat boy could you at least read who actually wrote the article before you fly off your partisan handel and start attacking the messenger like most of your cetinous ilk are prone to do?

You’re an asshole.

One in 12 babies born in the U.S. in 2008 were offspring of illegal immigrants, according to a new study, an estimate that could inflame the debate over birthright citizenship…

Undocumented immigrants make up slightly more than 4% of the U.S. adult population. However, their babies represented twice that share, or 8%, of all births on U.S. soil in 2008, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center’s report…

The report, based on Pew’s analysis of the Census Bureau’s March 2009 Current Population Survey, also found that the lion’s share, or 79%, of the 5.1 million children of illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. in 2009 were born in the country and are therefore citizens.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704216804575423641955803732.html

Time for a change.

The Hispanic vote is absolutely critical to Democratis this fall but the way the economy is going, most of them will be unemployed soon and will simply go home.

Moderate said:
The Hispanic vote is absolutely critical to Democratis this fall but the way the economy is going, most of them will be unemployed soon and will simply go home.

It will be very interesting to see who gets the Hispanic vote, especially in the south, come November. It won’t be long before they are the majority of Americans.

Considering that most of them are descendants of the original inhabitants of the Americas, prior to the Columbian and European immigrations over the past 500 or so years, it will be something of “taking back what was ours in the first place” maybe?

“Considering that most of them are descendants of the original inhabitants of the Americas, prior to the Columbian and European immigrations over the past 500 or so years, it will be something of “taking back what was ours in the first place” maybe?” AngelPeters

Hopefully the first thing they’ll do is kick your ass out. Since you wrote “them”, it’s obvious your ass doesn’t belong here either. BTW, why haven’t you left already? Too fucking “privileged”?

Why do libs assume legal Mexican Americans support illegal Mexicans? I lived in California for 27 years and ALL the Mexican Americans I know ( and that number is many ) don’t support people sneaking across the border.

100 years ago we protected our border, today we don’t. That is the point booty, just because times change does not mean that change is good. We can change back.

Azarkhan said:
“Considering that most of them are descendants of the original inhabitants of the Americas, prior to the Columbian and European immigrations over the past 500 or so years, it will be something of “taking back what was ours in the first place” maybe?” AngelPeters

Hopefully the first thing they’ll do is kick your ass out. Since you wrote “them”, it’s obvious your ass doesn’t belong here either. BTW, why haven’t you left already? Too fucking “privileged”?

Um, I wrote “them” because I’m not Hispanic. Duh.
I’m of European descent. Why would I write anything other than “them”, if I am of a different descent?? Double Duh.

“It will be very interesting to see who gets the Hispanic vote,”

The Cubans that I have known think that this country is becoming too much like Cuba and they want no part of it.

“I’m of European descent. Why would I write anything other than “them”, if I am of a different descent??.

I am part Cherokee but I would never want them/us running things.

gordonbloyershow said:
Why do libs assume legal Mexican Americans support illegal Mexicans? I lived in California for 27 years and ALL the Mexican Americans I know ( and that number is many ) don’t support people sneaking across the border.

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Agreed. Many don’t. That is why it will be interesting to see how the Hispanic Americans vote in the upcoming elections. Democrat, GOP, or like many will they stay home?

I look forward to see what the results actually say

Moderate said:
“It will be very interesting to see who gets the Hispanic vote,”

The Cubans that I have known think that this country is becoming too much like Cuba and they want no part of it.

Have they told you that they plan to sit out the November elections? Im wondering just who and how many people actually turn out to vote, and where.

Moderate said:
“I’m of European descent. Why would I write anything other than “them”, if I am of a different descent??.

I am part Cherokee but I would never want them/us running things.

Fine. I was just pointing out to Azarkan why I used the pronoun “them”. That pronoun seemed to bother him/her for some reason.

AngelPeters said:
is going, most of them will be unemployed soon and will simply go home.
It will be very interesting to see who gets the Hispanic vote

You might be very suprised that there are many “Conservative” Hispanics. They find you trying to pigeon hole them to be quite offensive.

It happens to be true that Reid introduced a bill to denie Hispanics born here citizenship. And it was indefensible. But here’s the thing: I’ve learned that Reid already apologized profusely for this in a speech in 2006, admitted he was wrong, and described this as the “low point” of his career. He later realized he might be able to get their vote but the Hispanic running against his son is kicking his butt.

gordonbloyershow
100 years ago we protected our border, today we don’t. That is the point booty, just because times change does not mean that change is good. We can change back.

If there is one very clear lesson from human history is that boundries, empires, countries, governments, etc., are never static.
They are always and forever changing.

In general, the Democrats are opposed to changing the Constitution. They prefer packing the court with compliant judges who will declare anything they want as the law of the land.

BatBoy said:
You might be very suprised that there are many “Conservative” Hispanics. They find you trying to pigeon hole them to be quite offensive.

Uh, Batboy, you made a mistake in your quoting of me. You spliced it with someone else’s quote.

I never said anything about “is going, most of them will be unemployed soon and will simply go home.” That was what Moderate said and I was quoting them in my reply.

Careful with the misleading use of quotation. Im going to assume you didn’t do it on purpose and simply made a mistake

BatBoy said:
You might be very suprised that there are many “Conservative” Hispanics. They find you trying to pigeon hole them to be quite offensive.

No I am not surprised at all that there are conservative Hispanics. Never said there wasnt. All I said is that it will be interesting to see how the vote turns out.
Completely agree that pigeon holing them is a big mistake. Cuban Americans are very different from Mexican Americans and they both are different from Puerto Rican Americans. The list goes one.

felixw said:
In general, the Democrats are opposed to changing the Constitution. They prefer packing the court with compliant judges who will declare anything they want as the law of the land.

Felixw, it has less to do with Democrats are opposed to changing the Constitution (they wanted the ERA) and more to do with it’s just very difficult to change. It was ment to be a very tough road to change the Constitution. What we call the Founding Fathers designed it to be very difficult.

So explain to us Janet, why is it wrong? What do you oppose specifically? Can you enumerate the reasons it is wrong? No, we only get, “It’s just wrong”.

She and Gibbs come off like simpletons. She talks about it being wrong to change the Constitution, but the subject at hand is the 14th Amendment, ergo, it has already been modified. She does not like talking about making changes to things that were changed, I guess.

Gibbs is being disingenuous here as well in his description of conservatives talking about protecting the Constitution. They have been against the steps taken to circumvent the constitution, such as courts discovering items in the document, or Obama making cabinet appointments without Congressional review. Amending the constitution is the proper process to making changes, not executive fiat.

The, “they were here first” argument is bullshit. The indigenous people don’t speak Spanish.

Hispanic/Latino people define themselves by European culture for crying out loud. Spain = European. Latin = European.

Cripes, this guy is just so confusing like someone named Pat or Chris.

Also, the 14th amendment doesn’t have to be changed.

Considering the fact that they aren’t American citizens, they aren’t “subject to the jurisdiction.” Just being born here doesn’t = being “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US. Are the children of foreign ambassador’s born here considered citizens of this country?

During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause—described the clause as excluding American Indians who maintain their tribal ties, and “persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.”

-Source Wiki

Haimerej said:
The, “they were here first” argument is bullshit. The indigenous people don’t speak Spanish.

Hispanic/Latino people define themselves by European culture for crying out loud. Spain = European. Latin = European.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I said “descendants” of. When the Spaniards came from Europe they intermarried with the Natives Americans of the time. We know this is historically accurate.

Im sure you are very well aware of those historical facts as well. Hispanics aren’t “purely” of European descent. T

The courts have never addressed the matter of illegal aliens having children in the US. It has ruled that the children of people who are here legally, yet not citizens, are legal US citizens.

Illegal immigrants are trespassers from a foreign land with no right to be in the US. Considering their status as non-legal, non-US citizens, I see nothing in the amendment that gives their children citizenship rights under the law.

I think we should bring this issue to the Supreme court and let them rule before talking about changing the Constitution.

Hispanics aren’t “purely” of European descent and neither are many, “European” people here in the US. Hell, I’ve got Cherokee ancestors but would be considered, “caucasian” by most standards.. But that doesn’t stop them from putting up stupid signs at rallies telling “Europeans” to go home. Bringing this kind of ethnic/race crap is counterproductive anyway.

The fact is the US has borders. Period.

Haimerej

The fact is the US has borders. Period.

Fair enough factual point.

Another factual point is that in all of human history, borders, boundries, kingdoms, empires, etc., have always altered and changed.

Even in the short United States of America’s history, it’s borders and bounderies have changed considerably.

The demographics of the US population has also always been very fluid. Populations trends are showing that it wont be long before the major ethnic group in America will be those who self-indentify as Hispanic.

It’s just human history. It’s American history. It’s always fluid, always changing.
It’s not static.

Liberals are such idiots. When liberals mention that Europeans stole America from Native Americans and, now, Hispanics, why don’t any of the liberals feel ‘ashamed’ enough to leave the US, for their own part in this ‘theft?’ Their argument would make more sense, if they’d park their asses back in Europe, or wherever they came from, to express their shame in ‘stealing’ this country. By remaining in the US, these idiotic liberals are continuing to contribute to the ‘theft.’ Demonstrate your shame, liberals. Go back to Europe. Btw, when 50 million underclass peasant illegals and their offspring, ‘take their country back’, what exactly is it that they have? Seriously, occupying a foreign country with no money, by these poor peasants, only means they are now peasants in the US, instead of being peasants in a south of the border country. Wow.

newzmaker said:
Liberals are such idiots. When liberals mention that Europeans stole America from Native Americans and, now, Hispanics, why don’t any of the liberals feel ‘ashamed’ enough to leave the US, for their own part in this ‘theft?’ Their argument would make more sense, if they’d park their asses back in Europe, or wherever they came from, to express their shame in ’stealing’ this country. By remaining in the US, these idiotic liberals are continuing to contribute to the ‘theft.’ Demonstrate your shame, liberals. Go back to Europe. Btw, when 50 million underclass peasant illegals and their offspring, ‘take their country back’, what exactly is it that they have? Seriously, occupying a foreign country with no money, by these poor peasants, only means they are now peasants in the US, instead of being peasants in a south of the border country. Wow.

Although I am not a liberal I will take a crack at a broader picture.
Human history pretty much show that to be human has always had elements of being a conquering type of creature.

I dont see that kind of part of human nature ever changing. If anything, for all the technology the human species have come up with, that part of human nature still seems to be intact.

It’s a very ancient behavior that as come down thru all of history.
Europeans conquered the Native Americans. Perhaps their descendants will be conquering the now present American society?

Will be interesting to see history unfold before us as much as it is interesting to look back.
All in all, human nature really has not changed all that much.

AngelPeters said:
Although I am not a liberal I will take a crack at a broader picture.
Human history pretty much show that to be human has always had elements of being a conquering type of creature.

I dont see that kind of part of human nature ever changing. If anything, for all the technology the human species have come up with, that part of human nature still seems to be intact.

It’s a very ancient behavior that as come down thru all of history.
Europeans conquered the Native Americans. Perhaps their descendants will be conquering the now present American society?

Will be interesting to see history unfold before us as much as it is interesting to look back.
All in all, human nature really has not changed all that much.

I can’t picture legal American citizens sitting back and allowing themselves to be conquered, by millions of rejects from south of the border. Americans have allowed themselves to be conquered, however, by political correctness, over past decades, but I see the PC slowly melting away, day by day. We have thousands, if not millions, of American citizens, whom bravely have risked/given their lives on foreign soil, in order to protect and defend this country. Handing this country over to millions of illegals , waving their foreign flags on US soil, isn’t likely to happen. I predict this ‘battle’ won’t end well, for foreign invaders. The US government, mainly the Dems, needs to step up and stop all the madness they have created, in hopes of a political power grab..

Who gave the US slavery? Conservatives. Who abolished it? Progressives.

Who gave us no women’s suffrage? Conservatives. Who enabled women to vote? Progressives.

Who gave us “separate but equal” as a doctrine for race relations? Conservatives. Who abolished it? Progressives.

Who said the conditions for workers could be as bad as the employers wanted to make them, even including child labor and potentially fatal work sites, such as the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory? Conservatives. Who gave us the 5 day work week, the 8 hour day, the minimum wage, the right to organize and collectively bargain? Progressives.

Who gave us the Great Depression? Conservatives. Who saved the world from its effects? Progressives.

Who made the world friendly for the likes of Hitler and Mussolini and then acted shocked, SHOCKED when Hitler tried to conquer the world? Conservatives. Who organized opposition to the attempted fascist takeover and then proceeded to rid the world of those evil men? Progressives.

Who introduced civil rights and voting rights reforms in the 1960s and made inroads into eliminating poverty, including Head Start and school breakfasts and lunches? Progressives. Who fought them every step of the way? Conservatives.

Who gave us the biggest budget deficits EVER and exploded the national debt in the 1980s? Conservatives. Who balanced the budget and started paying off the debt? Progressives.

Who invaded two countries on false pretenses and has given us non stop war ever since? Conservatives. Who tried to stop it and still tries to end it? Progressives.

Who ruined the US economy with deregulation of the financial services industry and tax cuts for rich people over the last 10 years? Conservatives. Who warned against it and tried to stop it? Progressives.

Progressives in the United States have a history of being right on EVERYTHING. Conservatives are always wrong, ALWAYS, and end up giving grudging, after the fact acknowledgement that the Progressives were right.
-1st Republic 14th State
eat that!!!

gordonbloyershow said:
Didn’t she say that our boarders are safer today than ever before.

When Pancho Villa crossed the border we sent the army into Mexico. Today we don’t use the army and we don’t let border guards shoot. What is wrong with this picture?

Gordo – not much for fact checking?

moneymack said:
Who gave the US slavery? Conservatives. Who abolished it? Progressives. Who gave us no women’s suffrage? Conservatives. Who enabled women to vote? Progressives. Who gave us “separate but equal” as a doctrine for race relations? Conservatives. Who abolished it? Progressives. Who said the conditions for workers could be as bad as the employers wanted to make them, even including child labor and potentially fatal work sites, such as the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory? Conservatives. Who gave us the 5 day work week, the 8 hour day, the minimum wage, the right to organize and collectively bargain? Progressives. Who gave us the Great Depression? Conservatives. Who saved the world from its effects? Progressives. Who made the world friendly for the likes of Hitler and Mussolini and then acted shocked, SHOCKED when Hitler tried to conquer the world? Conservatives. Who organized opposition to the attempted fascist takeover and then proceeded to rid the world of those evil men? Progressives. (Ect.) . . . P>

Who gave you a history pop-up book with pretty pictures and fractured realities? Progressives . . .

Slavery has been abolished in the US? I beg to differ. Why have both parties ignored their own US immigration laws, for decades? Both parties accept major campaign contributions from American companies, in exchange for looking the other way, when ‘illegal’ slave labor is brought in from Mexico. The feds can give out all the legal work permits necessary, to foreign workers, but they don’t. American companies prefer the cheap ‘slave’ labor of illegals. Also, the US government looks the other way, when American companies allow Asian children to make all of our cheap products, “Made in China, Taiwan, or wherever.” Yes, slavery in the US is still alive and well, and condoned by the US government.

MartiniShark said:
Who gave you a history pop-up book with pretty pictures and fractured realities? Progressives . . .

You’re confusing Progressives with Glenn Beck and the tea-bagging nit-wits. Does the pop-up book come with crayons? Regardless, clearly reality challenged dopes like yourself are delusional and harmless but easily entertained.

That’s so funny Ted, you use the exact same barb I used! In the exact same way! Except you added “crayons”, so now it’s funnier! ! ! Um. . . . .

Did you even read moneymac’s rant? (They were the one to bring up progressives, not me.) I’m sure you probably accuse Beck as being a judgemental guy — kind of like you assuming I watch his show, or that I’m a tea-partier. And since Beck had ZERO to do with this story it shows your inability to even think outside your preconceptions and broaden the scope of your purview. Froth at the mouth and castigate people — that’s much easier than engaging in discourse.

Anyone else remember that movie from the mid-80′s “Just One of the Guys” in which a superhot chick pretends to be a guy to get her journalism taken seriously by her journalism teacher? Janet Napolitano looks, as I imagine it, exactly like that gal-as-a-guy would look 25 years later. Huh? Any takers on that?

newzmaker said:
Also, the US government looks the other way, when American companies allow Asian children to make all of our cheap products, “Made in China, Taiwan, or wherever.” Yes, slavery in the US is still alive and well, and condoned by the US government.

I politely disagree. First, you cannot claim slavery where the exchange of services is voluntary. No company is forcing anyone to work for them.
American companies seek profit. It is what they should do in an honest and legal manner. Would you really want to work, or hang your livelihood, on a company that was not trying to succeed? The worry, that maybe that a person that works at that company may be one of those replaced overseas, is not reason enough to have the company choose to NOT be competitive. It would be the equivalent of saying you want local Chicago natives to play for the Cubs and keep a losing record year after year rather than seeking talent that may be cheaper or more efficient from outside the city.
The complaint should be with the gov’t which chases companies out of the country with various regulations or taxes. No one realizes just how much harm the minimum wage does (esp to US minorities).
I agree it is noble to try and help one’s countryman but the best way to accomplish that is to get gov’t out of the way…. I want the border enforced to prevent the bad guys from getting in but at the same time, I want more immigrants here who are willing to work very hard to make a living for their family and in turn, make this country more prosperous.
The solution to the 14th amendment crisis is easy… eliminate gov’t welfare which is not found in the Constitution… essentially, ALL of it (over time of course).

Change is not required.

Just correctly interpret the term: “…under the jurisdiction thereof”.

The 14th was never intended to apply to illegal immigrants – start interpreting it that way!

AngelPeters said:
It will be very interesting to see who gets the Hispanic vote, especially in the south, come November. It won’t be long before they are the majority of Americans. Considering that most of them are descendants of the original inhabitants of the Americas, prior to the Columbian and European immigrations over the past 500 or so years, it will be something of “taking back what was ours in the first place” maybe?

So, when the “evil” white man arrived, there were no buildings, there were no factories, hell, there weren’t even any wheeled carts. The “doctors” were using rattles shaken over the ill to cure their diseases. There were no schools, nor was their anything resembling modern agriculture. I could go on for days but I think you can understand that had it not been for those “evil” white men, the locals would still be knapping flint to make arrowheads to kill animals, and still be wearing their hides.

NORBIT said:
Change is not required. Just correctly interpret the term: “…under the jurisdiction thereof”. The 14th was never intended to apply to illegal immigrants – start interpreting it that way!

While you and I may agree with the writers’ intent with the 14th Amendment, our liberal courts would prefer to legislate from the bench. I do not take amending the Constitution lightly, but I believe it should be amended to the point there can be no possibility of twisting its meaning out of context. I have tried to find information where a precedent was set to support what we both know to be correct, but thus far, my search has not been fruitful.

Changing the current regime would be a better idea.

moneymack said:
Who gave the US slavery? Conservatives. Who abolished it? Progressives. Who gave us no women’s suffrage? Conservatives. Who enabled women to vote? Progressives. Who gave us “separate but equal” as a doctrine for race relations? Conservatives. Who abolished it? Progressives. Who said the conditions for workers could be as bad as the employers wanted to make them, even including child labor and potentially fatal work sites, such as the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory? Conservatives. Who gave us the 5 day work week, the 8 hour day, the minimum wage, the right to organize and collectively bargain? Progressives. Who gave us the Great Depression? Conservatives. Who saved the world from its effects? Progressives. Who made the world friendly for the likes of Hitler and Mussolini and then acted shocked, SHOCKED when Hitler tried to conquer the world? Conservatives. Who organized opposition to the attempted fascist takeover and then proceeded to rid the world of those evil men? Progressives. Who introduced civil rights and voting rights reforms in the 1960s and made inroads into eliminating poverty, including Head Start and school breakfasts and lunches? Progressives. Who fought them every step of the way? Conservatives. Who gave us the biggest budget deficits EVER and exploded the national debt in the 1980s? Conservatives. Who balanced the budget and started paying off the debt? Progressives. Who invaded two countries on false pretenses and has given us non stop war ever since? Conservatives. Who tried to stop it and still tries to end it? Progressives. Who ruined the US economy with deregulation of the financial services industry and tax cuts for rich people over the last 10 years? Conservatives. Who warned against it and tried to stop it? Progressives. Progressives in the United States have a history of being right on EVERYTHING. Conservatives are always wrong, ALWAYS, and end up giving grudging, after the fact acknowledgement that the Progressives were right.-1st Republic 14th Stateeat that!!!

This is possibly the most putrid example of rewritten history that I have ever seen.

AngelPeters said:
If there is one very clear lesson from human history is that boundries, empires, countries, governments, etc., are never static.They are always and forever changing.

When a country is defeated or overrn by hordes of invaders, yes, boundaries do change. The point is, most American citizens aren’t going to let our borders change without a fight.