I know it made me weep to see the fat boy whine, bleat and moan.

“…whine, bleat and moan.”

Tell me, TRRK, do you get so distracted by your knee jerking that what you see and hear gets distorted?

What color is the sky in your world?

Karl Rove is a liar, a fraud and partisan hack who deserves nothing more than the truth thrown in his fat face every book tour stop he makes.

I think he should take his book tour to Iraq. I’m sure there are some women who lost loves ones and surviving wounded innocent civilians missing eyes, ears and limbs that would just love to have a chat with turd blossom about freedom.

The Real Royal King says:
April 18, 2010 at 2:49 pm

Remember folks, this is what Royal said in the Joe Klein thread:

The Real Royal King says:
April 18, 2010 at 2:48 pm

I don’t know about sedition, but some of the very clssy pick-up truck drivers we have in Texas, the ones who drive from their houses in Plano or Katy to jobs with insurance companies in Dallas or Houston, invariably have stickers on their rear windshields. If you drive a Ford, you have a little boy urinating on a Chevrolet logo, and vice verse. That’s what Beck and Palin are doing – urinating on America.

And while that rambling mess of nonsense may seem confusing to those who don’t have Royal’s particular political blinders… try to understand the bottom line, and the connection between this post and that post.

To Royal… shouting at, attempting to intimidate, and threatening a former government official is okay, if the person is a Republican or associated with Republicans. However, disagreeing in public with the current Liberal/Democratic administration, any of their policies or ideas, or anyone connected to the party… well, that’s the equivalent of “urinating on America.”

Of course the real, “urinating o America,” is done by the people who would try to violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to suit their political desires… in this case, Royal and Code Pink are those people. But we remain unsurprised.

shootfromthehip says:
April 18, 2010 at 8:08 pm

I think he should take his book tour to Iraq. I’m sure there are some women who lost loves ones and surviving wounded innocent civilians missing eyes, ears and limbs that would just love to have a chat with turd blossom about freedom.

Do you think they’d thank him for preventing Saddam from doing all those things to them? Or do you think they’ll be upset that Rove had a hand in preventing Saddam, his “administration,” and his sons from raping, murdering, and threatening their family for who knows how many more years?

Your selective outrage speaks volumes about your ability to think critically. Sad.

The only ones doing the raping over the past decade in Iraq have been meatheads from Texas under the employ of Haliburton or US Troops themselves.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/09/soldiers.charged/

Every single poll ever taken in Iraq over the past decade shows they want us OUT of their country. If your argument is that America should go police the world and take out every dictator who’s regime rapes women, than why weren’t you protesting in the streets and begging GW Bush to go into Myramar? What about Sudan? Why not go into North Korea and free everyone so that Democracy can take root?

Until Americans troops learn how to behave and stop raping children, as we saw in Iraq and Japan, we have no right to force what we think is right at the end of a tank all over the world.

There are other ways to affect change. The military is the worst way to change behaviors, and the most expensive.

Saddam was hardly as bad or ruthless as the MSM propaganda machine made him out to be. But sure, I can’t critically think.

I should probably watch more Fox to fall in line with the propaganda, right?

shootfromthehip says:
April 18, 2010 at 8:49 pm

Yes, the protests against Darfur (a big leftwing cause) have proven very effective.

Oh wait… nevermind.

But you’re right… a few bad soldiers who do an (alleged) disservice to their country is FAR worse than the tales from Iraqis themselves:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm

It’s amazing to me how you’re willing to deny actual history, actual evidence and truth… because of your hatred of all things Bush, Republican, or perceived right-of-center. You will actually put your name to something terribly offensive, denying of reality, and devoid of logic… just to attack a political opponent.

Apparently your hate knows no bounds.

INB: The last I checked the only job Rove has is one of several obese, demented, deluded commentators on a cable “news” channel which, until recently, sponsored the Tea Party and, as late as this morning, was still fabricating the news. I fail to see how that has much of anything to do with America or our government.

I’m no right winger but you surely can not say Saddam was not as bad as he was painted to be. He was evil. He gassed his own people for crying out loud. Something always overlooked though is the Reagan administration’s foreign policy that led to the Saddam problem. We seem to be doing the very same thing in Afg. with Karzai.

I am really surprised though to see Karl’s open hostility towards the faux and fiends crew though. I saw him downplay the incident on the O factor a few weeks ago.

PS: It’s also not fair to caricature and demonize the entire US military due to the actions of a few bad apples.

He was evil. EVIL I tell you!!!!

How do I know? Because the American government (that supported him throughout the 1980s when he was at war with Iran) told me so!

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March 1, 2003 by the Toronto Star

Halabja (pop. 80,000) is a small Kurdish city in northern Iraq. On Wednesday, the Star reminded readers that Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi army killed 5,000 Kurds in a 1988 chemical weapons attack on Halabja near the end of a bloody, eight-year war with Iran.

The statement that Saddam was responsible for gassing the Kurds — his own people — was straightforward.

Indeed, U.S. President George W. Bush has used similar language about the disaster at Halabja in making a case for a military strike to oust Saddam.

Yet the Star also reported, in a Jan. 31 Opinion page column, that there’s reason to believe the story about Saddam “gassing his own people” at Halabja may not even be true.

Curious about those contradictory reports, and prodded by Star reader Bill Hynes, the ombud decided to examine how this paper covered the Halabja story 15 years ago, when Washington was tilting toward Saddam’s side in the Iran-Iraq war.

The Star’s early coverage was skimpy. I found no breaking news story about the March 16, 1988 gas attack on the city.

But four days later, a Reuters News Agency dispatch (filed from Cyprus) said Kurds, fighting on the Iranian side, had managed to seize Halabja and nearby villages “where Iran has accused Iraq of using chemical weapons against Kurds.”

Two days later, Reuters reported, Iran was alleging that 5,000 Kurds were killed by chemical bombs dropped on Halabja by the Iraqi Air Force.

No doubt, Saddam has mistreated Kurds during his rule. But it’s misleading to say, so simply and without context, that he killed his own people by gassing 5,000 Kurds at Halabja.

The fog of war that enveloped the battle at Halabja in 1988 never really lifted. With a new war threatening in Iraq, it’s coming back stronger than ever.

Journalists risking their lives to cover an American-led attack on Iraq would face many obvious obstacles in trying to get at the truth.

In light of that, editors need to consider assigning staff back home to do reality checks on claims and counter-claims made in the fog of war.

As our retrospective on the Halabja story suggests, the bang-bang coverage — gripping though it may be — may not be enough to get the job done.

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My point is, we all need to stop simply repeating what the lazy American MSM tells us. I don’t know what happened in Halabja in 1998 exactly. Neither do you.

Maybe Saddam killed “his own people” (the Kurds), maybe he was trying to kill Iranian troops who were amassing there at the time, as the two nations were at war.

I have no idea. But I’m willing to look at all sides before just repeating what I hear on MSNBC or Fox. I do not swallow propaganda like a god damn guppy waiting to be fed fish food.

Do your own research. Look beyond the headlines. Think about the motives and what is to be gained by those in power each and every time.

Be aware that our own Pentagon spends millions annually on media ops that have been very effective at establishing narratives that benefit THEM and the military industrial complex.

Peace does not pay.

The Real Royal King says:
April 18, 2010 at 9:48 pm

So, even though he’s a former advisor to the President… it’s okay if he gets attacked in public. I guess you’re cool with violence towards American citizens, just not Democratic politicians? Nice.

Of course… since he’s a Republican, you can mock his appearance all you want. It must be nice to have no standards. What am I saying? Of course you have standards… just different ones for people you agree with, and ones for people you don’t agree with.

shootfromthehip says:
April 18, 2010 at 10:04 pm

Wow. You really think Saddam was a good guy. Wow.

He wasn’t attacked! Come on! Karl Rove could fend off a 50 year old Code Pink lady who weights about 97 pounds with his pinky.

She does what she does to make a point and get media attention a and to provoke segments like what you see above.

Mission accomplished.

There are millions of us who will never forget the divisive policies employed by Rove.

He deserves all the hate he dished out on a national stage for 8 years right back at him.

And no I don’t think Saddam was a “good guy.”

I just don’t think he was quite as evil as the MSM made him out to be.

If he really was that evil, he would have killed far many more than the reported 5000 at Halabja.

Were there charges filed by Beverly Hills PD for her “attack” against Rove?

No. Because there WAS no attack.

Again, what she does is political theater. She is am American citizen who has an opinion. She has the right to speak her mind. She bough a book and listened to Rove speak for an hour before enacting the mock arrest. Thank God she had the balls (ha!) to remind Rove that there are millions of Americans who see through his lies and we will remember the hateful rhetoric and way he demonized anyone not on board with the war as “unpatriotic” until the end of time.

I agree about not being myopic when it comes to gathering news. I know Pew Research did a poll awhile back and found that a majority of the people who viewed FNC thought Saddam had something to do with 9-11 and WMDs were found in Iraq. That’s disastrous misinformation. I personally prefer CNNi and BBC when it comes to foreign news. I never trust anything the local newsies say so I watch most of them just to get the full picture. BTW, there was extensive footage of entire villages that were indiscriminately gassed in the Kurds territories; Some women with children still strapped on their backs. Hussein was terrible and a monster. I disagree with the methodology implored with the Iraq invasion by the US but I am not sorry that Hussein is dead. I can agree that the extent of his “danger” to the US was severely exaggerated to justify the invasion.

“I am not sorry that Hussein is dead.”

I am not sad he is dead either. I am, however, sad that over 5000 American troops and 100,000 + Iraqui civilians had to die so that less than a dozen men around Saddam could be killed. There were better ways to get rid of Saddam. CIA had plans, no doubt, to infiltrate and/or use tactical teams to take him out and/or start an insurrection from within. Those plans, however, needed time, and GW Bush was impatient to get his war on. Shameful. How many lives have been wasted? How many more terrorists have we created by “collateral damage?”

” I can agree that the extent of his “danger” to the US was severely exaggerated to justify the invasion.”

Glad you see the truth of how we were lied to.

shootfromthehip says:
April 18, 2010 at 10:36 pm

He wasn’t attacked! Come on! Karl Rove could fend off a 50 year old Code Pink lady who weights about 97 pounds with his pinky.

That’s funny… the Tea Party hasn’t attacked anyone, yet that doesn’t seem to matter either.

Oh, and I wasn’t aware that when it came down to it… smaller people are allowed to yell, threaten, and try to intimidate folks who are bigger than them. I was not aware of that rule.

She does what she does to make a point and get media attention a and to provoke segments like what you see above.

Mission accomplished.

And that’s okay?

There are millions of us who will never forget the divisive policies employed by Rove.

And that’s relevant, how?

He deserves all the hate he dished out on a national stage for 8 years right back at him.

Ah, again a: “The rules don’t apply to him because I don’t like or agree with him.” Do you recognize it’s a double standard… or is that a blind spot?

And no I don’t think Saddam was a “good guy.”

I just don’t think he was quite as evil as the MSM made him out to be.

Of the Iraqis who cheered when he was de-throned, and the Iraqis who later sentenced him to death. I guess “those guys” don’t know either.

If he really was that evil, he would have killed far many more than the reported 5000 at Halabja.

Yeah… 5000 people… plus who knows how many others raped, imprisoned, beaten, mutilated, etc. But really, only 5000, who cares about only 5000 people?

Wow… I’m not sure if you’re trying to defend yourself, or just want to make yourself seem more hateful and ignorant.

She bough a book and listened to Rove speak for an hour before enacting the mock arrest. Thank God she had the balls (ha!) to remind Rove that there are millions of Americans who see through his lies and we will remember the hateful rhetoric and way he demonized anyone not on board with the war as “unpatriotic” until the end of time.

Yes, thank God she decided she could disrupt the event, attempt to shout down people who disagreed with her, and made herself and those who follow her look completely and utterly unhindged.

I wonder, do you think that you’ll celebrate any right-wingers who “remind” all the Democrats and media personalities who say their criticism of the President (while non-violent… heck, even less violent than this woman who you praise) is “unpatriotic?” Oh that’s right… you agree with those folks, so the double standard returns… they ARE unpatriotic because they don’t agree with you! How silly of me, I forgot YOU make the standards… all of them.

CIA had plans, no doubt, to infiltrate and/or use tactical teams to take him out and/or start an insurrection from within. Those plans, however, needed time, and GW Bush was impatient to get his war on. Shameful.

Do you have anything to support this… or just more, “I assume, and therefore it must be true” type BS?

Gee, I’mNotBlue. Still smarting from your ass kicking from Debbie Schlussel?

Just read her take down of you on another Mediaite thread, where she schools you and calls you out as a liar.

When even your ideological equals on the right call you a liar, my work is done.

I will no longer engage with you.

Have a great night!

Anyone who wants to see “I’mNotBlue” getting his ass handed to him on a plate by conservative columnist Debbie Schlussel, read here in the comments.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/roger-ailes-and-fox-execs-still-furious-at-sean-hannity-and-staff-over-tea-party-flap/

The money quote:

“mNotBlue likes to lie and make things up. In fact, there was no lawsuit, nor any refutation of the facts that Hannity’s Freedom Concerts are a scam and a money-making venture for his cronies at Premiere Marketing and Freedom Alliance. And Hannity charged millions of dollars in private planes and other travel to the Freedom Concerts, contrary to his lies. Facts are stubborn things, but I’mNotBlue chooses to make up stories when the actual facts don’t fit his truth.”

My work here is done.

shootfromthehip says:
April 18, 2010 at 11:49 pm

Thank you for the link! I hadn’t seen that… I’ll check it out now.

Of course, if you take “Debbie Schlussel”‘s word for it (that she’s actually who she says she is), well, that’s your deal.

I have replied… and sadly, “Ms. Schlussel” is mistaken on a lot of her claims… and I’ve proven it so.

Oh well… thanks again for the heads up, Shoots! Without your link, I would have never known she commented, and wouldn’t have been have to reply so thoroughly and completely to debunk her post!

I am sure that there are some women who have lost loves them alive, and wounding of innocent civilians missing in the eyes and ears and the parties that would love to just chat with turd blossom of freedom.
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INB: I thought we all agreed that we would refrain from using “debunk” at this site.

Rove’s got his priorities right. I lost count on how many times he said “buy the book”. It was like a subliminal salespitch without the hidden graphics or an old Kevin Nealon routine.

The Real Royal King says:
April 19, 2010 at 7:42 am

We did? Why’s that?