This ought to be a tremendous concern for all of us. Remember that Jews were often the targets of KKK activities, and it would seem we have a modern Islamic KKK-like group emerging. The Islamaphobic rage stirred up in significant part by FOX, has already resulted in a brutal assault on a Muslim trying to support his family by driving a cab, by the Murfreesboro bombing and by violent demonstrations in Los Angeles and throughout America. We are fortunate Ms. Maddow so eloquently reminds us of this.

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

“Nationwide Islamophobia Incidents Tied To NYC Mosque Opponents?”

Sure Rachel and Mediaite staff, it’s a vast right-wing conspiracy. What a bunch of pathetic dumb asses you are.

King, the Nation of Islam doesn’t like Jews. We will await your critique.

writer said:
King, the Nation of Islam doesn’t like Jews. We will await your critique.

Naturally. Giddyup!

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

Comments on Jews

During the Crown Heights Riot, Al Sharpton (who arranged a rally in Crown Heights) has been seen by some commentators as inflaming tensions by making remarks that included “If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house”and referring to Jews as “diamond merchants.”

King you are aware, aren’t you, that merely replying “Giddyup” doesn’t explain why you’re so against racism unless it comes from blacks.

The Real Royal King said:
Naturally. Giddyup!

Spoken like a true horse’s ass.

In 1995, a black Pentecostal Church, the United House of Prayer, which owned a retail property on 125th Street, asked Fred Harari, a Jewish tenant who operated Freddie’s Fashion Mart, to evict his longtime subtenant, a black-owned record store called The Record Shack. Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the planned eviction of The Record Shack. Sharpton told the protesters, “We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.”

On December 8, 1995, Roland J. Smith Jr., one of the protesters, entered Harari’s store with a gun and flammable liquid, shot several customers and set the store on fire. The gunman fatally shot himself, and seven store employees died of smoke inhalation. Fire Department officials discovered that the store’s sprinkler had been shut down, in violation of the local fire code. Sharpton later expressed regret for making the racial remark, “white interloper.”

The Crown Heights riot began on August 19, 1991, after a car driven by a Jewish man, and part of a procession led by an unmarked police car, went through an intersection and was struck by another vehicle causing it to veer onto the sidewalk where it accidentally struck and killed a seven-year-old Guyanese boy named Gavin Cato and severely injured his cousin Angela. Witnesses could not agree upon the speed and could not agree whether the light was yellow or red. One of the factors that sparked the riot was the arrival of a private ambulance which, on the orders of a police officer worried for the Jewish driver’s safety, removed the uninjured driver from the scene while Cato lay pinned under his car. Cato and his cousin were treated soon after by a city ambulance. Caribbean-American and African-American residents of the neighborhood rioted for four consecutive days fueled by rumors that the private ambulance had refused to treat Cato. During the riot blacks looted stores, beat Jews in the street, and clashed with groups of Jews, hurling rocks and bottles at one another after Yankel Rosenbaum, a visiting student from Australia, was stabbed and killed by a member of a mob shouting “Kill the Jew.” Sharpton marched through Crown Heights and in front of “770″, shortly after the riot, with about 400 protesters (who chanted “Whose streets? Our streets!” and “No justice, no peace!”), in spite of Mayor David Dinkins’s attempts to keep the march from happening.

Welcome to Righter’s Racists Retreat. To continue. Ad nauseum. Unless interrupted by African-Americans chasing him down the street. Bought to you by Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread.

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

Gee, King. You didn’t comment at all on Sharpton. That’s really surprising.

This is sort of the converse of Chris Mathew blaming conservatives for acts of domestic terrorism committed by Muslims.

Maddow and Matthews know who the evil-doers are and they’re willing to smear and lump anyone who disagrees with them into that label.

The Real Royal King said:
Welcome to Righter’s Racists Retreat. To continue. Ad nauseum. Unless interrupted by African-Americans chasing him down the street. Bought to you by Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread.

You’re certainly as healthy as Wonder Bread and Miracle Whip, but I’d label you a Twinkie

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

Brought to you by Twinkie…

So before the planned mosque, no Muslin had ever experience crime in America?

Thanks RM- I have seen this act before. Try harder, mister!

Who’s that little boy reading the news? I thought Rachel Maddow was a woman.

Sharif El-Gamal, 37, the owner of the building at the center of the storm over the construction of a “ground zero mosque,”…
Court records from Florida to New York state reveal that Sharif and his younger brother, Samir “Sammy” El-Gamal, 35, a partner with him in his company SoHo Properties, both have a history replete with intersections with tax and debt issues, dating back to at least 1994 and continuing into this year. In one case, a NYPD officer arrested Sharif in 1994 for “promoting prostitution.” (He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor of disorderly conduct.) In another instance, Sharif told a court he didn’t hit a tenant from whom his brother and he were trying to collect back rent. He said to police, the tenant’s “face could have run into my hand….”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-30/sharif-el-gamal-and-the-ground-zero-mosque/

One stupid incident is not Islamophobic rage. Maddow is being the typical blind liberal that has nothing but love for Muslims even when Islam hates her sexuality. WAKE UP, AMERICA. ISLAM IS YOUR ENEMY!

Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot,
It’s too bad you weren’t around when our gov’t deemed it OK to kill someone because they are Mormom. We could have used your defense that you so freely give to Islam.

Here are some thoughts on Jews from Louis Farrakhan, the guy that the King says I’m a racist for mentioning.

“White people, although they hated us, are not the architects of white supremacy. That started in Europe and it is here in America and we document the architecture of white supremacy in this volume, Volume 2 The Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews.”
Interview on the Michael Eric Dyson show, 8/23/10

“This thing called anti-Semitism this is what I want to deal with, so that never again when somebody is critical of Israeli policy or Jewish misbehavior that all of a sudden we are called anti-Semitic. I will prove to the world that those who even use the term are not Semitic at all.”
Interview on the Michael Eric Dyson show, 8/23/10

“We could charge you with being the most virulent anti-Black group in the annals of our history. I didn’t say we would, I said we could. I used the conditional tense. I said we could charge you with being the most deceitful person acting, playing with our friend while you have been our worst enemy.”
Speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 7/11/10

“These who call us anti-Semitic are not Semitic at all. They have no connection whatsoever to the Holy Land. They are usurpers, land grabbers.”
Speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 7/11/10

“You are of the Synagogue of Satan and therefore will be dealt with by God.”
Speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 7/11/10

“Now, Jews are very sensitive people. If you even look like you’re gonna criticize them they get very defensive. And you could say they’re defensive because of what they suffered in Europe. That may be one reason. But the main reason is, see when somebody has lied, and stolen your birthright, the one thing they fear is not your guns, because they got some bigger. They don’t fear your so-called scholarship ‘cause they arranged your education. And they never taught you anything that would allow you to upset their rule. But what they fear most is the truth.”
Speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 7/11/10

“I’ve asked [the Jewish people], ‘since your people put ours in this condition, why don’t you help me raise our people up from the degraded state that your people have put them in.’”
Speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 7/11/10

“To all of those who feel that the children of Israel are over in that place they call Israel, you are mistaken.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“Other than the Bible there is no historical record of anybody names Jews in bondage in Egypt in 400 years… you have to keep your eyes open for the game that may be put over on you by a smart crooked deceiver. Now there’s no historical record of their suffering in bondage like that—now they were freed from a bondage alright—but that was in the hills and cave sides of Europe.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“These people have no legitimate connection to that land. They didn’t come into existence in the Holy Land.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“Jewish people claim Abraham. Sorry. Sorry. I have to tell you the masquerade is over.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“Do you know that in Europe in every nation where they were, they led an industry in commerce in trade in banking? And the gentiles were angry with them because everywhere they went, they ruled. So the gentiles rose up against the Jews and persecuted them in Europe.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“When they came to America they went into the South and there they found common ground with the gentiles who hated black people, because that same Babylonian Talmud, the rabbis developed the myth of Ham. That you and I are the children of Ham, cursed, black, doomed… So when they got in the South they just fueled the gentiles with the curse of Ham and that has spread throughout the world. It has poisoned the bloodstream of Islam, of Christianity, of Judaism, of Communism, of Socialism.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“I’m here to tell you no black man or woman becomes a multimillionaire without friendship in the Jewish community…. Did you know that nearly all prominent Negro actors and musicians have or had Jewish sponsors and managers? …They have a way of attaching themselves to your gifts, but you get nothing. They get it all.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“And do you know that when our brother was elected, Jewish people wrote, as Bill Clinton was the first Black president, Barack Obama would be the first Jewish president. Now that’s a terrible thing to say but they were telling you, ‘we own the brother.’ His early money came from Goldman Sachs. He was nurtured by Jews who saw in him his brilliance. He’s a beautiful human being. And they knew that as brilliant as he was, they could use him to trick black people away from the promise of God.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“He’s president now and he’s upsetting them. Because all the Jewish presidents met him in the Oval Office and told him to go easy on Israel and settlements in the West Bank. And because he was strong out of Israel they started calling him what they been calling me: an anti-Semite.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“A lecture like this has put me in deep trouble with those forces that run this world. I have never been more prepared in my life to do what it takes, even if it’s the loss of my life, to free you. But I can tell you, they killed their last prophet when they killed Jesus.”
Speech in Atlanta, 6/26/10

“Since he’s been in office, [Obama] surrounded himself [with] certain very powerful elements—Zionists—within the Jewish community; and has brought around him as ‘advisers’ some of those from Goldman Sachs, who advised him about this bailout money. Our brother, now, is disappointing to some aspects of that community, and that is the beginning of the end. Because, when they’re disappointed with you, the force that they have, the power that they have, the influence that they have is gradually turned against you if you don’t submit.”
Interview with Chicago radio station WVON radio,3/24/10

“The Black man and woman have always been looked upon as the ‘property’ of White America; and particularly, members of the Jewish community. They’ve always looked at you as ‘belonging’ to them.”
Speech at Mosque Maryam,Chicago, 3/7/10

“The Jewish people have said that Hollywood is theirs. Can any of you deny that they are the masters of Hollywood, where sex, lesbianism, homosexuality and violence are promoted?”
Speech at Mosque Maryam,Chicago, 3/7/10

“Who owns the recording companies? People who call themselves ‘Jews,’ but they are not Jews; they are masquerading… And the so-called Jews who run those record companies… they use you, and they’ve sent you all over the world degrading the culture of other nations with your filth and debauchery.”
Speech at Mosque Maryam,Chicago, 3/7/10

“It was Hollywood whose first movie, what was the first movie? – ‘The Birth of a Nation.’ How did it portray us? And how has Hollywood portrayed us? And who were the Hollywood moguls who portrayed us like that? Am I anti-Semitic or are they anti-black?”
Speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 7/26/09

“There were members of the Jewish community that helped to start NAACP but they were watchmen over how that organization developed, to keep it in a certain line.”
Speech at Mosque Maryam, Chicago, 7/26/09

“Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?… Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we’re the murders; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”
“Justifiable Homicide: Black Youth in Peril (Part 3)” speech at Mosque Maryam, 11/11/07

“These Jews promote the filth of Hollywood that is seeding the American people and the people of the world and bringing you down in moral strength…It’s the wicked Jews that are promoting Lesbianism, homosexuality. It’s wicked Jews that make it a crime for you to preach the word of God, then they call you homophobic!”
Saviours’ Day, Chicago, Illinois, 2/26/06

Nobody is the least bit concerned that Maddow is painting with this brush while ignoring a central fact to the story of the attack on the cab driver? The person who stabbed the cabbie was working with a group who was in SUPPORT of the Cordoba Initiative. How does that fit her narrative? Even though he was working in favor of the mosque his attack can be lain at the feet of those who oppose it?

Writer, Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot didn’t comment on Sharpton, but he did call me racist for posting a link to some of his controversial words. Darnit, I broke the 11th commandment AGAIN!! Thou shalt NOT use a liberals OWN words against them. I can’t seem to stop breaking that commandment. I’m going to hell for sure, now!

MartiniShark says:
August 31, 2010 at 11:18 am MartiniShark(Quote)
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Nobody is the least bit concerned that Maddow is painting with this brush while ignoring a central fact to the story of the attack on the cab driver? The person who stabbed the cabbie was working with a group who was in SUPPORT of the Cordoba Initiative.

Silly Martini, as my license plate says, don’t confuse liberals with logic and facts. If the facts don’t support their narrative, they just change them.

Michelle, it is odd, isn’t it? If the Klan hates Jews, they’re racist. The Nation of Islam hates Jews, but the King says you’re the racist if you point it out. Of course it’s insane, but that’s the way the King sees things and he’s sticking to it.

MichelleF said:
Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot,It’s too bad you weren’t around when our gov’t deemed it OK to kill someone because they are Mormom. We could have used your defense that you so freely give to Islam.

Well, then, you’d think that you would know better by now…. Irony….

MartiniShark said:
Nobody is the least bit concerned that Maddow is painting with this brush while ignoring a central fact to the story of the attack on the cab driver? The person who stabbed the cabbie was working with a group who was in SUPPORT of the Cordoba Initiative. How does that fit her narrative? Even though he was working in favor of the mosque his attack can be lain at the feet of those who oppose it?

I’m not sure how that’s a central fact? We don’t know for sure why he stabbed that cabbie. Maddow acknowledges that we don’t know if these events are connected at all, but it seems reasonable to me to at least wonder if all the Park51 publicity has fueled anti Muslim feelings. More to her point, rather than criticize Maddow you can answer her question by denouncing religious intolerance. Do you think all the Mosque protests are okay or not?

greg454 said:
One stupid incident is not Islamophobic rage. Maddow is being the typical blind liberal that has nothing but love for Muslims even when Islam hates her sexuality. WAKE UP, AMERICA. ISLAM IS YOUR ENEMY!

It’s not one incident. Lots of American Christians hate her sexual orientation too. Are they also the enemy?

More Liberty said:
Who’s that little boy reading the news? I thought Rachel Maddow was a woman.

Oh come on. I thought you were classier than that.

Azarkhan said:
Sharif El-Gamal, 37, the owner of the building at the center of the storm over the construction of a “ground zero mosque,”…
Court records from Florida to New York state reveal that Sharif and his younger brother, Samir “Sammy” El-Gamal, 35, a partner with him in his company SoHo Properties, both have a history replete with intersections with tax and debt issues, dating back to at least 1994 and continuing into this year. In one case, a NYPD officer arrested Sharif in 1994 for “promoting prostitution.” (He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor of disorderly conduct.) In another instance, Sharif told a court he didn’t hit a tenant from whom his brother and he were trying to collect back rent. He said to police, the tenant’s “face could have run into my hand….”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-30/sharif-el-gamal-and-the-ground-zero-mosque/

I fail to see how any of that is relevant at all. All religions and races have their share of jerks {if that’s the point} and even jerks have equal rights. That’s how we roll.

More Liberty said:
Who’s that little boy reading the news? I thought Rachel Maddow was a woman.

he was great on star trek the next generation

MichelleF said:
Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot,
It’s too bad you weren’t around when our gov’t deemed it OK to kill someone because they are Mormom. We could have used your defense that you so freely give to Islam.

royals anti-mormon diatribes obviously led to the murder of that mormon guy in california on sunday

#1…RRK is a proven liar.

#2…It seems that Muslims blowing up the WTC, the Pentagon and the USS Cole might be what is stirring up anti-Muslim feelings. Or it might be Iran, Hamas and the Muslim that killed our soldiers in Texas.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could cause that?

The Real Royal King said:
This ought to be a tremendous concern for all of us. Remember that Jews were often the targets of KKK activities, and it would seem we have a modern Islamic KKK-like group emerging. The Islamaphobic rage stirred up in significant part by FOX, has already resulted in a brutal assault on a Muslim trying to support his family by driving a cab, by the Murfreesboro bombing and by violent demonstrations in Los Angeles and throughout America. We are fortunate Ms. Maddow so eloquently reminds us of this.

Let’s use accurate language. There was no bombing in Murfreesboro and we really don’t know why the cabbie got stabbed. Still, with several recent incidents and several Mosque protests that have nothing to do with being to close to ground zero, it’s reasonable to ask where the anti Islam activities are coming from. I think purposely fanning the fires of fear and resentment for ratings or votes is pretty .

gordonbloyershow said:

#2…It seems that Muslims blowing up the WTC, the Pentagon and the USS Cole might be what is stirring up anti-Muslim feelings. Or it might be Iran, Hamas and the Muslim that killed our soldiers in Texas.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could cause that?

I think that is it Gordon. I think the point some people are making is that blaming an entire group of 1.5 billion people for the actions of a few is not a good thing.

The controversy has, of course, contributed to the rise in anti Islamic violence. But the issue is far, far larger than the religious intolerance on display regarding the religious center.

And the violence is not a right wing thing. Hatred, especially anti religious hatred, exists and is practiced by both sides. This is part of the reason why I hate how the media (ALL media) has mostly sensationalized this debate, rather than soberly report and inform. They’ve compounded the issue. The only sane and level article I’ve read about this was from NPR – which shouldn’t be surprising, really – but I was hoping that at least one other news outlet wouldn’t have went the ratings route on this story.

Cosmo, some people don’t think things thru. However the “moderate” Muslums could help by not trying to shove the GZM down the throats of the people of New York that have pleaded with them to have some understanding. Build and make enemies, move it make friends. It is just that easy. It is their choice.

I’m gonna go out on a limb here. I don’t think the ground zero mosque protest is the cause of other incidents, but I think there is a linkage. Here’s my theory…

American’s mistrust Moslems more than, say, Buddhits, Shintoists, Jews, and Christians. Part of this is attributable to specific historic events:
– 1993, Muslims attempt to blow up WTC
– 2001, Muslims fly planes into American buildings
– Muslims attack trains in Spain, subway in the UK
– misc embassy bombings, the USS Cole, etc.

While most muslims are not engaged in these activities, those that are do so in the name of their religion. Less of a problem for other religions such as Buddhism…

So I don’t think it is some vast conspiracy, nor an American incitement of hatred. I think it is a response to attacks upon Americans and their friends…

gordonbloyershow said:
Cosmo, some people don’t think things thru. However the “moderate” Muslums could help by not trying to shove the GZM down the throats of the people of New York that have pleaded with them to have some understanding. Build and make enemies, move it make friends. It is just that easy. It is their choice.

You’ve said that before Gordon and it just isn’t true. It isn’t just their choice. The people who are protesting are making a choice too. Support the principles of the 1st amendment in real life, even when you don’t like it, or protest against it. That’s a choice as well.

This wikki site
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rachel-maddow-nationwide-islamophobia-incidents-tied-to-mosque-opponents/
has quotes from family members of 9/11 victims both for and against. IMO those who support Park 51 seem to be on a healing path, not only for them but for us as well.

Phil Bourekas said:

While most muslims are not engaged in these activities, those that are do so in the name of their religion. Less of a problem for other religions such as Buddhism…

So I don’t think it is some vast conspiracy, nor an American incitement of hatred. I think it is a response to attacks upon Americans and their friends…

I’m don’t think many are suggesting a vast conspiracy. What you’re describing is a normal , but unattractive, human response. My problem is major media and politicians playing on that to gain ratings or votes. I think those that encourage fear and hatred for their personal gain are doing a huge disservice to the American public and should not be rewarded for their horrible behavior.

CosmosDan said:
I’m not sure how that’s a central fact? We don’t know for sure why he stabbed that cabbie. Maddow acknowledges that we don’t know if these events are connected at all, but it seems reasonable to me to at least wonder if all the Park51 publicity has fueled anti Muslim feelings. More to her point, rather than criticize Maddow you can answer her question by denouncing religious intolerance. Do you think all the Mosque protests are okay or not?

Maybe we don’t know why, but to lay the blame on opponents when the guy doing the stabbing was working with groups favorable to Islam is dishonest on her part.
People are opposing the mosque, not Islam. As for the other locations meeting resistance, as long as they are legally entitled I have no issue with them.

alamo2 said:
Oh come on. I thought you were classier than that.

I know I know but sometimes I just can’t help myself. Maddow is just hilarious.

MartiniShark said:
Maybe we don’t know why, but to lay the blame on opponents when the guy doing the stabbing was working with groups favorable to Islam is dishonest on her part.
People are opposing the mosque, not Islam. As for the other locations meeting resistance, as long as they are legally entitled I have no issue with them.

I don’t see it as dishonest. She asked if there is a connection. The fact that the guy worked with a particular group is relevant and interesting, but it doesn’t say for sure one way or the other. She was repeating the story as reported. He asked, are you Muslim, and then stabbed the guy. I think her larger concern, about media controversy fanning fires of intolerance is relevant. Something to keep an eye on. Just my opinion

Maddow raises “SNARKY” to a new level!

She’s only topped by one other person – and they’re both back-to-back on msnbc!!

MichelleF said:
It’s too bad you weren’t around when our gov’t deemed it OK to kill someone because they are Mormom.

What a Mormom?

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

MichelleF said:
Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot,It’s too bad you weren’t around when our gov’t deemed it OK to kill someone because they are Mormom. We could have used your defense that you so freely give to Islam.

It’s always difficult to define what is a religion and what is protected under the First Amendment. Certainly, legitimate Christian denominations, our Abrahamic partners, the long-established Eastern religions are all clearly religions and entitled to protection. What of the various cults. That gets murky. Generally, our Courts have taken the position that if you call yourself a religion, you are one. That’s simplistic, but accurate. While that doesn’t require me or my Church to deem cults religions, it does require me to honor the Consitution as interpreted by the Courts. Moreover, I would have to conclude that murder alone, without resort to the religious cloaking which may or may not have been involved, is always wrong and ought to be condemned by all of us. That’s not really difficult, is it. So, I would certainly condemn the murders mentioned by you and would have demanded vigorous justice, much as I would hope you would condemn your “church’s” participation in the horrific slaughter of the “Gentile” children, women and men at Mountain Meadow.

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

The Real Royal King said:
What a Mormom?

OMG hahahahah niggaz pulled out the spellcheck card!! oh SNAP!! you go royal…go royal go royal go..the roof the roof the roof is on fire!! we dont need no water let the muther fucker burn! burn muther fucker burn!!!

Maddow needs to calm down her ‘scare white people’ rhetoric. Her words could affect some of her weaker targets. All of these incidents should be investigated, to see if all of MSNBC’s rhetoric, is possibly inciting some of these incidents.

CosmosDan said:
I don’t see it as dishonest. She asked if there is a connection. The fact that the guy worked with a particular group is relevant and interesting, but it doesn’t say for sure one way or the other. She was repeating the story as reported. He asked, are you Muslim, and then stabbed the guy. I think her larger concern, about media controversy fanning fires of intolerance is relevant. Something to keep an eye on. Just my opinion

However, the implication is there in her report, and it allows her to smear one side. Why was she not – in reference to his work – speculating otherwise? It was only applied to one side, and absent salient facts she should not be speculating. Like you said, it doesn’t say one way or the other, but Rachael made implications towards one side alone. It is a dodge on her part — “Hey, I’m only asking questions” — but she’s only asking about one side of the debate.

THE KING IS SO HATEFUL
HE SHOULD MAKE AMENDS
BUT HE CAN’T DO IT NOW
HE’S JUST FILLED HIS DEPENDS

BURMA SHAVE

I look forward to Rachel’s look into Christianophobia. Funny, but I’ve never heard her use that term.

MartiniShark said:
However, the implication is there in her report, and it allows her to smear one side. Why was she not – in reference to his work – speculating otherwise? It was only applied to one side, and absent salient facts she should not be speculating. Like you said, it doesn’t say one way or the other, but Rachael made implications towards one side alone. It is a dodge on her part — “Hey, I’m only asking questions” — but she’s only asking about one side of the debate.

I’m not crazy about the way she worded it. I’d rather she made just a general warning to Americans about letting our emotions and fear mongering media cloud out better judgment. I don’t think I see it as a smear but is is biased. Most pundits are. I hope you use that same standard of fairness when judging pundits on both sides. There’s a lot of that one sided thing going around.

MartiniShark said:
Nobody is the least bit concerned that Maddow is painting with this brush while ignoring a central fact to the story of the attack on the cab driver? The person who stabbed the cabbie was working with a group who was in SUPPORT of the Cordoba Initiative. How does that fit her narrative? Even though he was working in favor of the mosque his attack can be lain at the feet of those who oppose it?

Well, it does fit the narrative that he carried a diary filled with anti-islamic entries. He may have been volunteering at an interfaith initiative group, but that doesn’t mean that he was ‘working in favor of it’. It seems to me that the poor guy went to Afghanistan and ended up suffering from PTSD.

By the way, the pineapple mint suggestion was brilliant. Thanks for that.

felixw said:
I look forward to Rachel’s look into Christianophobia. Funny, but I’ve never heard her use that term.

Maybe if there are multiple protests about Christian churches being built in America it’ll be a story.

Meh. I didn’t even make it this far last night on her show. She’s soooooooo boring and amused with herself. I can’t even make it to the first commercial break nowadays with her.

felixw said:
I look forward to Rachel’s look into Christianophobia. Funny, but I’ve never heard her use that term.

Maybe because they are in the majority and aren’t experiencing a significant uptick in violence toward their property and their person, as Muslims currently are.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe if there are multiple protests about Christian churches being built in America it’ll be a story.

Instead, Hollywood and the propaganda media regularly demonize Catholicism.

Of course, people give these whiners little credence since there are more Catholics than Muslims (Sunni or Shite) in the world and the Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization on earth.

Stephen Hogan said:
Maybe because they are in the majority and aren’t experiencing a significant uptick in violence toward their property and their person, as Muslims currently are.

Is that why you can’t quote from the Bible at many universities without falling afoul of their ban on “hate speech.” It’s easy, though, to figure out who the real haters are in these instances….

felixw said:
Is that why you can’t quote from the Bible at many universities without falling afoul of their ban on “hate speech.” It’s easy, though, to figure out who the real haters are in these instances….

What universities? Could you provide any examples of this?

“It’s not one incident. Lots of American Christians hate her sexual orientation too. Are they also the enemy?”

—Christians are supposed to love the sinner, and they usually do. Muslims are supposed to hate sinners. See the difference?

gordonbloyershow said:
It seems that Muslims blowing up the WTC, the Pentagon and the USS Cole might be what is stirring up anti-Muslim feelings.

So should the Oklahoma City bombing stir up anti-right wing white guy feelings?

MartiniShark said:
However, the implication is there in her report, and it allows her to smear one side. Why was she not – in reference to his work – speculating otherwise? It was only applied to one side, and absent salient facts she should not be speculating. Like you said, it doesn’t say one way or the other, but Rachael made implications towards one side alone. It is a dodge on her part — “Hey, I’m only asking questions” — but she’s only asking about one side of the debate.

Who is this “other side” you’re referring to that is flanning the flames of hatred towards Muslims?

Tony Westover said:
Instead, Hollywood and the propaganda media regularly demonize Catholicism. Of course, people give these whiners little credence since there are more Catholics than Muslims (Sunni or Shite) in the world and the Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization on earth.

Show us how Hollywood demonized Christianity? Please cite examples, not just rhetoric.

Stephen Hogan said:
Well, it does fit the narrative that he carried a diary filled with anti-islamic entries. He may have been volunteering at an interfaith initiative group, but that doesn’t mean that he was ‘working in favor of it’. It seems to me that the poor guy went to Afghanistan and ended up suffering from PTSD. By the way, the pineapple mint suggestion was brilliant. Thanks for that.

I’ve just tired of all this “violent rhetoric” talk coming from the left regarding any intellectual opposition on the right. It has yet to manifest, and yet they turn a blind eye to actual violence coming from leftist protests, such as the AZ law protest, or the G-20 summit in Toronto.

And, glad you enjoyed the mint mixture. Next try a vanilla vodka with chocolate mint leaves.

SpineCrusher said:
Show us how Hollywood demonized Christianity? Please cite examples, not just rhetoric.

You make me laugh. There are plenty of Christians in Hollywood who have to hide their religious beliefs so as not to incur the anger of people like you.

SpineCrusher said:
Who is this “other side” you’re referring to that is flanning the flames of hatred towards Muslims?

It is not “who”, I meant the other side of the issue. Someone gets violent and Rachael rushes to blame it on the opponents to thje mosque in NY.

SpineCrusher said:
Show us how Hollywood demonized Christianity? Please cite examples, not just rhetoric.

Not to jump in, just a two-fer: One latest example was Roland Emerich with “2012″. He intentionally wanted to make a comment about his opposition to organized religiion so he had numerous religious icons destroyed in his film, including the Bassilica at The Vatican crashing down on worshipers. He admitted to pussing out when it came to Islam — He wanted to show The Kaaba getting destroyed but feared getting a fatwa placed on him.

The Real Royal King said:
It’s always difficult to define what is a religion and what is protected under the First Amendment. Certainly, legitimate Christian denominations, our Abrahamic partners, the long-established Eastern religions are all clearly religions and entitled to protection. What of the various cults. That gets murky. Generally, our Courts have taken the position that if you call yourself a religion, you are one. That’s simplistic, but accurate. While that doesn’t require me or my Church to deem cults religions, it does require me to honor the Consitution as interpreted by the Courts. Moreover, I would have to conclude that murder alone, without resort to the religious cloaking which may or may not have been involved, is always wrong and ought to be condemned by all of us. That’s not really difficult, is it. So, I would certainly condemn the murders mentioned by you and would have demanded vigorous justice, much as I would hope you would condemn your “church’s” participation in the horrific slaughter of the “Gentile” children, women and men at Mountain Meadow.

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

You can do that, MIchelle, after he condemns the Spanish Inquisition and pedophile priests.

I’m sure if trailers had existed in Jesus’ day, he would have looked down on and mocked the people living in them.

Cecelia said:
You can do that, MIchelle, after he condemns the Spanish Inquisition and pedophile priests.

I actually have, Cecelia, many times as to the priest and more importantly the bishops who covered up their activities. I have also been critical, highly critical of Bernard Cardinal Law.

The Spanish Inquisition is not the burning issue (that breaks me up) it once was, but it was certainly a terrible, disgraceful time for the Church.

Of course, I need to absolve Michelle-in-Utah from discussing Mountain Meadow. Cultic Doctrine prevents her from doing so, no doubt at the risk of surrender of her magic underwear. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to go polish my beads.

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

writer said:
I’m sure if trailers had existed in Jesus’ day, he would have looked down on and mocked the people living in them.

That gets funnier on every thread you post it on.

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

The Real Royal King said:
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I need to go polish my beads.

ive heard about those, does your wife yank them out of your ass really fast when you orgasm?

Why thank you, King. I’m following your example and trying not to be repetitive.

BTW King. Since you’re always touting your religion, could you cite the Bible verse where Jesus’ said to arrogantly look down on people? I’m sure it must be in there, since you’ve modeled your life on it. Just can’t remember the verse.

Hey Rach, I’ll bet they’re all RACISTS, too….Right?

You have to wonder if these Professional-Lefties (remind me to thank Eddie Haskell for that term!) are so inculcated with Progressive Dogma that they are incapable of altering their belief systems anymore!

Lots of confirmed…unconfirmed stories? Lot’s of maybes, and looks like….that’s probably why no one takes her, and her station seriously.
I wonder how many Christian churches were vandalized in the same time period? What ever you do don’t ask Ms.Maddow, unless you want far-fetched speculation.

Stephen Hogan said:
What universities? Could you provide any examples of this?

Sure I can. Check out the case of Jonathan Lopez

http://chronicle.com/article/Los-Angeles-City-College-Is/42414

But in fact, most Christians just keep quiet on college campuses. They have learned that freedom of speech has it limits when you disagree with your “progressive” (LOL at that term) professors.

http://groundzeromosquetheamericanway.blogspot.com/

The Real Royal King said:
This ought to be a tremendous concern for all of us. Remember that Jews were often the targets of KKK activities, and it would seem we have a modern Islamic KKK-like group emerging. The Islamaphobic rage stirred up in significant part by FOX, has already resulted in a brutal assault on a Muslim trying to support his family by driving a cab, by the Murfreesboro bombing and by violent demonstrations in Los Angeles and throughout America. We are fortunate Ms. Maddow so eloquently reminds us of this.

SOME TIME IN THE YEAR NINETEEN HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO,
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT “DISCOVERED” SOMETHING “NEW”:
AMERICAN WAS WASP, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND JEW,
A FACT EVEN ARCHIE BUNKER REGRETTED, BUT KNEW.
PERHAPS SOME DAY FOX WILL KNOW THIS, AND THIS TOO:
HISPANICS AND MUSLIMS ARE PART OF OUR AMERICAN STEW.

It is not Islamaphobic to not want to be reminded of the atrocities that occurred there. Disgrace, shame and fear have that affect on normal human beings. This is a big deal. Stop trying to force Americans to be kept cattle. This is a humiliation and the Muslim people in America should understand. Where is their statement to the public and outreach on their part to Americans that are suffering in association with their religion? Defense of the underdog as a practice is mindlessly errant if the underlying reason is not concrete.