I knew them Duke boys was gonna show up at some point .

I wish that damn flag would just go away….  

I wonder if 200 years from now the modern day Tea Party flag/symbol will be considered a racist hate symbol?  Tea Party people claim that they are about limited government and less taxation while liberals claim they are just racists.  Civil War era Southerners claim the confederacy was about limited government and taxation without representation and the Yankees claimed the Civil War was about slavery.

Them darn Duke boys……

What’s the Tea Party flag or symbol? I didn’t know there was one.

Somebody cue the Republicans who say the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery.

Robert Byrd incoming! 

As much as this might need some explanation from Perry when you look at all the unknown and unexplained things that have been ignored from Michelle and Barack it is totally unfair. 

The question marks started from when the two were running against Hillary to this very day.  It’s time the media started investigating all questions fairly.

Yawn. 

The confederate flag is a symbol for slavery and & treason against the USA. Swastikas are banned in Germany. The same thing should be banned in the US.

Maybe it was the picture of Obama as a medieval African witch doctor?  Or maybe the one with him as a monkey?  Those are the two images that stand out in my mind when it comes to the Tea Party…

Funny I was going to say the same thing. In German they don’t say “Heritage not hate.”

Only in the American south can people really be this ignorant.

Either way if Perry even thinks about supporting this he’s done.

Say Hello to Uncle Mitt Conservaclowns! 

It’s an icon that represents a history of pain.  

I liked “Fedup in Florida” because they wished the damn flag would go away.

My heritage (Scots/Irish) and just mostly Highland Scot is predicated on the colours of the tartan.

The flag is a piece of cloth, leave it as such.

Its the gladtstone flag.

And Dustin-put a sock in it.

I don’t think it should be banned in general because it’s just another form of (distasteful) speech, but banning it for official/governmental use actually sounds kind of tempting to me.  … I think that may just make me a bad libertarian.

“Just some good old boys
never meanin no harm

beats all you ever saw
been in trouble with the law
since the day they was born

straighten’ the curves
flatten the hills
Someday the mountain might get em
but the law never will

making their way
the only way they know how
that’s just a little bit more
than the law will allow

Just some good old boys
couldn’t change if they could
fighting the system like two modern
day robin hoods”

Waylon Jennings and the real Dukes are friends of OWS-that’s the true Irony here.

You can have that for free Rick Perry!  Its your only way out of this jam!

Obviously seeing only what you want to see.

There won’t be an America in 200 years. Our zenith was the 1990s. I’d say that we won’t last another 50 years. Too many external and especially internal forces are hell bent on dividing and destroying us.

OK. I’ll bite. What’s the gladtstone flag?

This is the flag is the tea party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag

Those other images are just subconscious figments of your racist liberal mind ;)

I always shake my head when I see some dope flying that flag or displaying it around where I live because there is no doubting the intention here. Thankfully the morons are far and few. 

Not really.  It’s just that people tend to remember the bad things; none of the other signs made much of an impression.  The shocking ones were more memorable because emotion was involved, basically.

Gadsden flag, if you are referring to the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag. If you are going to cite history, always good to cite it correctly. It was designed and first used by General Christopher Gadsden in 1775. The Gadsden Flag was adopted as the first Navy Jack on creation of the Navy in 1775. That Navy Jack currently flies on active duty naval vessels.

Prior to the actual flag, Benjamin Franklin used the symbol of the snake cut into 8 sections to symbolize the colonies. From the 1750′s on, the snake symbol grew in popularity and acceptance.

It is widely accepted as the Tea Party’s flag and symbol and has been since 2002.

aren’t they Dixiecrat…aka blue dog Democrats ;)

Gadsden flag, if you are referring to the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag. If you are going to cite history, always good to cite it correctly. It was designed and first used by General Christopher Gadsden in 1775.

Prior to that Benjamin Franklin used the symbol of the snake cut into 8 sections to symbolize the colonies.

It is widely accepted as the Tea Party’s flag and symbol.

They really borrowed the Gadsen flag?  Interesting.

Actually, they’re real, and I’m not a liberal.  But nice try!  LOL

“Don’t tread on me”

A perfectly reasonable non racist flag shown at nearly every tea party.

The flags weren’t the tea party problem-let’s just say some of the more colorful signage was “unacceptable”

Ugh, I can’t spell.  Sorry.

They were. Now they’re Republicans.

Sigh.  I am a Southerner (by birth) and I just wish these dumbasses would quit celebrating a war we lost…..handily.  I guess some people still yearn for the plantation days and a chance to sample the lady slave platter….

Mediaite’s busy Monday – Smearing Rick Perry!

but which flag are you talking about?? this one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jack_of_the_CSA_Navy_1861_1863.svg

You see there were many different confederate flags. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

“Obviously seeing only what you want to see.”

May we quote you the next time there’s a story here about an OWS protester screaming vulgarities and the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to condemn him? 

Keeva got it right.

What’s the difference between a conservative and a liberal? Believe me that has NOTHING to do with the Dixiecrats!

LOL

The battle flag genius-don’t gt cute.

I guess you missed Karl Rove smearing Cain?

Not have a good life are ya norby?

Thanks. I have one flying right now on my flag pole.

Click this link to get an example of what a flag can mean.

It’s just a tug of war sung by Celtic peoples.

Hoisted on their own petard!

Romney doesn’t have to worry about running in the primaries, his opponents are flaming out on their own.  

Why did you link us to the Confederate Navy Jack?  Who in their right mind would think that’s what we’re talking about?

It is too bad we can not seek the opinion of the members of the Grand Army of the Republic as to whether citizens of this country have a right to fly the Confederate flag. 

freedom

How is this smearing Perry?  The article says that it wasn’t his idea, that he never approved it, and that it’s not his decision.  No one who can read could possibly think it has anything to do with him.

Ease up on the persecution complex a bit, man.  It’ll make people respect you more.

This isn’t even about flying the Confederate flag; did you even read the article?

Yes you are free to be stupid. I see you’re exercising that right. good for you sunny-jim.

Conservatism has nothing to do with Republicans.

Conservatives conserve the environment.  Conservatives are fiscally responsible.  Conservatives don’t wage wars of imperialism.  Conservatives defend the Constitution (i.e. habeas corpus).  Conservatives don’t legislate people’s sex lives.  Conservatives would never dream of allowing the government to spy on the people.

Tell me what’s conservative about Republicans.

LOL!

I’ve had the same experience where I live in the South.  If it weren’t always people like that displaying the Confederate flag where I live, I’d actually consider the argument that it meant something different to the people who want it on their license plate.  But when it’s some ignorant fool flying that flag every single time, it kind of reveals that the current meaning has changed too much for anyone to plausibly deny.

License plates that recognize the Confederate flag.  I read the article.

sorry dufus, i know freedom means nothing to you, liberals want control

Then I guess you can see how a government-issued license plate featuring a controversial symbol is a different issue than an individual flying that controversial symbol themselves, right?

The latter is clearly just free speech, and even though I hate the symbol, I’m cool with that; most Americans would be cool with that as long as the symbol wasn’t literally advocating violence, or so I believe.

The former, though, implies an endorsement or approval of what is a symbol of hatred and racism to many by a government agency; after all, the DMV has to approve specialty license plates.  That approval is clearly problematic; to many, it’s almost as bad as the government of Germany approving the use of swastikas on license plates to honor soldiers who fought for Germany in WWII.  Even though they have been good men and soldiers, for a government to endorse the use of such symbols of hatred is just too problematic.  (Yes, I’m aware that the legal status of that symbol in Germany makes that ridiculously unlikely.  Thankfully.)

I don’t care what individuals do, but I want my government endorse controversial symbols of hate like I want it endorsing religious symbols or particular political party’s symbols:  not at all.

It’s pretty clear that the confederate battle flag,stars and bars,has become a symbol for hate and intolerance especially based on race.It’s unfortunate because it really did symbolize more than that at the time of it’s use.It’s also unfortunate that we continue to try and sanitize ourselves from our own history if that history doesn’t suit our so called modern day sensibilities.

A lot of people died or were severely wounded on the confederate side,a lot of people were brave and courageous and there were brilliant and intelligent military leaders yet all of this is washed away by one aspect of the war.All of that is forgotten,even condemned,through the prism of time.I find it unlikely that very many confederate soldiers were thinking about slavery as they faced the northern armies.Like all wars,they were probably just trying to stay alive.

But what we have to deal with is today and whether you agree or disagree with the sentiments of today on an issue like this,the simple truth is that the flag on a license plate sends messages that shouldn’t be sent.

It sends the message that the issuing state condones what the flag stands for.It will randomly insult or upset drivers and other onlookers.It’s not really fair to them for a state to subject them to that just to satisfy a small group of people.

Freedom of speech and expression are a part of this issue but I think when it comes to a symbol that is so divisive,a symbol that a portion of the population views as highly insulting,there’s really no need to put it on a license plate.

Why do you hate the stars and stripes?

On another note..
Michele Norris steps down from NPR’s ‘All Things Considered’ as husband joins Obama campaign

LOL!

There has never been any Confederates around where I live, so there is no doubting the ignorance.
But for people in the South who fly it it means at least one of two things; either you’re proud you lost a war, or you’re ignorant and don’t want to get along with people who don’t look like you do.

I think reasonable people realize that many Confederate soldiers were normal, decent people who fought because it was their duty or because they had no choice; many were probably no more racist than their Union neighbors.  That flag symbolized various different things to the men who fought under it — and against it.

Unfortunately, bigots tend to appropriate old symbols to lend their cause some semblance of legitimacy.  They often succeed in concealing their hatred in the short term but end up revealing their true colors and tainting other people’s symbols in the long run.  Heck, look at what happened to the symbol now known as the swastika; most people don’t even remember a time when it meant something else!

Frankly, I just don’t want my state tainted in turn by an endorsement of a symbol like that, whether the endorsement is intentional or just perceived.  The intentions of the DMV are surely innocent enough — they just want to make some money off those plates and not get sued for refusing them — but their decision will be judged by its effects on the people of the state and the reactions of the rest of the nation, not their intentions.

I didn’t know there were stars and stripes on those pictures of Obama!  LOL

Who the hell is Michele Norris?  ;D

Mr Perry a word of  advice, come out against the idea. You have a bad couple of outings and probably do not have chance at nomination but at least try to salvage some self respect.

… Pretty much, yeah.  Judging from the fact that the six or seven I know who fly that flag believe in “White Power” and so on, I’m going with the latter.  I wouldn’t mind living in a red state if it weren’t for the rednecks…

That’s been said before, and it will be said again.  We may transform ourselves, but I doubt we’re falling anytime soon.

Amen!  I don’t like the man, but I wish he’d stand up and say what I’m pretty sure a majority of his electorate believe:  we’re done with the Confederate flag, thanks.

It would be nice to see him look rational for a change; he’s been more embarrassing than usual lately.  Although at least he hasn’t made any secession jokes lately!

Agreed

Could it be Don’t tread on Me?

Guest, this sounds nutty.

She’s a host for NPR’s All Things Considered.  Her husband was a lobbyist for Comcast and Microsoft.

Confederate flag means Southern Rock to me! Skynyrd, Molly Hatchet, Outlaws – now that was good music. 

I always love this canard, that the Confederate flag is a symbol of slavery.

Last time I checked, slave states West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri, and territories Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Utah never raised the Confederate flag. They instead raised the “oppressive” Union flag.

Is his life defined by whom liberals next choose to unfairly smear?

Look at the headline, genius.

People have them hanging in windows, magnetic strips on cars, trucks  and circling their license plates here… in very blue Illinois.  And, I’ve also seen people wearing the CF kerchief bandanas on their heads, maybe to hide the shaved head, they also put them around the necks of their dogs, clever that they are, they just can’t be too cool.

You may be a Southerner, but you’re a dipshit Southerner when it comes to Civil War history. The South was kicking the North’s ass for quite some time because Robert E. Lee was a superior general and slavery was not an issue of the war until its later days.

Tough shit, you can’t revise history and you can’t wish away regional pride.

I think Repubs bring up the BC issue just to bring out the bat-sh!t crazy lib Truthers who denounce such a belief as the rantings of a crazy person.

“Rick Perry’s Busy Weekend, Birthing, Forbes and Now Confederate Flag Drama”

That’s the headline that is distributed throughout the internet, I’m pretty sure those that read the article are far fewer than those who simply read the headline which clearly links Rick Perry to the confederate flag.

Some southern states until very recently accepted and even defended the right of public schools to hold segregated high school proms. Is that part and parcel of your “regional pride” also, Tony?

See what I mean, he didn’t read the article, just the headline linking that flag to Perry.  Kudos to you for your attempt to correct him, you will more than likely be correcting people for years to come.

 Shut up Steven.

Or not seeing what you don’t want to see.

Nice lie- the dems were against every important CR act ever proposed.

And the racists Dem Dixiecrats stayed Dems.

Hey, is your brother that great actor Robert Denegro?

Smile, though your heart is achingSmile, even though it’s breakingWhen there are clouds in the skyYou’ll get by…

BTW, I was sad to hear that you went into the bathroom only to find the Captain’s log!

Regional Pride?  Your full of crap! I have lived most of my life in the southeast spending time in Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas I don’t need you to tell me what the Rebel Flag stands for..  You can call it regional pride if you so choose, to me it stands for the ignorance of those individuals who would use it to make some sort of statement about themselves.  Just the fact that so many people find the flag to be offensive in it’s symbolism would be enough reason for most people to not display it.  Then there are those who will wrap themselves in it and I would agree with our liberal friends here that speaks to the character of those people.  

I have heard the arguments of the southern pride and that the flag symbolizes pride in southern heritage and really don’t buy it…  In today’s America the flag pretty much only has one meaning, if you want to wrap yourself in it go right ahead, it is a free country and I would defend your right to do so…  You may be proud of what that flag says of you, I however would never want those things said of me. 

Next time? That’s all the time, fatty!

If the confederate flag is so benign, why has it been adopted by white supremacist groups? Just like the Nazis have forever co-opted the swastika (from earlier civilizations) as their symbol, the confederate flag has now been tainted as well. (That is if you believe it wasn’t already tainted by the Civil War.)

Yes. They’re old Democrat policies. Some habits die hard I suppose.

I know it sounds nutty; unfortunately, those signs were quite real.  You could google them or check them out on youtube, if you want.  Sometimes fact is stranger than fiction.

It was really sad to see those few signs mar the Tea Party’s reputation so much, though; it’s hard to change your reputation back after BS like that.  (Ditto to some of the OWS signs, frankly.  Both sides have a few nuts, and those nuts are way more memorable than the sane people.)

*LOL* Well sorry chump, but I don’t think they really give a shit if you’re offended by the Confederate flag and it’s pretty obvious they don’t care what you think of them. But your prejudiced, bigoted view of them doesn’t change the fact that it’s an enduring symbol of Southern pride.

The state of Florida issues a wide variety of ways that you can spend your taxed money to decorate your car.

They have been adamant that you can…if you choose…posit you rhetorical position.

If I choose a rebel flag it doesn’t mean that everyone is a cracker but the state does offer the rebel flag.

Bet you don’t use the N word in daily conversation either…  LOL!

*LOL* Yes, when you can’t defend your argument, just call someone a racist. Do you think that actually has any power anymore? It just exposes you from the intellectual weakling that you are.

Fight the power.  I don’t look for what may or may not be implied in life…but go for it if you do.

All I know is that when sh*t happens…I try and fix it.

Besides that Rove is right on the idea that Cain has peaked and will shortly go into decline – which was after all the plan all along, but just to stay in this long enough to retard Perry’s results in the earliest primaries – are two reasons why Perry will make a comeback:

1. Watch for Perry to make – or at least attempt – another immigrant hypocrisy attack on Romney, and indeed one that should work beautifully with the attack on Obomneycare:

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-romney-healthcare-20111024,0,6849099.story

Beautifully, that is, if Perry can find a way to convey this without resorting to polysyllabic words or complex sentences. I actually think he might, especially now that Team Rick Scott has joined Team Perry to work in some dog whistles only Tea Party types can hear.

2. Like it or not, whenever Tim Noah focuses his non-inconsiderable laser beam on an issue, it’s only a matter of time before in enters the mainstream. He did it last year with income inequality, and that’s now turned into fuel for OWS and the Obama Jobs bill discussion. Here he does so in an effort to measure as precisely as possible how much of flip-flopper Mitt really is. Spoiler Alert: Mittens has flipped at least once, and in some instances repeatedly, on every issue relevant to running for president except one:

 http://www.tnr.com//article/politics/magazine/96103/mitt-romney-no-apology-romneycare-education

(that is: Mittens has never flip-flopped, not even once, on his desire to be president. I think the 100% consistency on that issue and the 100% hypocrisy on everything else are intimately related numbers.)

The Dixiecrats stayed Democrats?  I’m afraid the exact opposite happened actually.  The Republican Party actually courted those particular racists with its “Southern Strategy,” effectively recruiting enough people to break up the formerly Democratic “Solid South.”  I’m still not sure how anyone could be lured to a party by racism, but that’s how it was in the South then:  the Republican Party gained control of the South by appealing to the racism of a lot of Southerners.  No matter how nasty it sounds now, the truth is the truth.

I’m not trying to accuse anyone of racism now; despite how much I dislike both parties, I think most Republicans and Democrats are decent, moderate people being manipulated by parties that sometimes go to extremes to appeal to the extremists in their own bases.  Both parties have plenty of nuts, and I assume that both parties have some racists hiding in them.  Alas.

Slavery was the issue from day one. South Carolina seceded from the union over just that. The Republican party of Lincoln divided over abolition of slavery. Stephen Douglas called Lincoln a traitor for wanting to ban slavery. The war was indeed about slavery from the first shot to the last.

Saying it wasn’t will not revise history. Like it or not, that war was over slavery. Period. The rest of the reasoning was added after to make history a little fuzzier.

Yes, the South was winning initially, but they got lazy and took too much for granted, which gave the North the opening to win. Lee was the superior commander without a doubt, but he was also way too much about Robert E. Lee and not about winning the war.

Rick Perry is following the premise that any publicity is good even if it’s free publicity. The “Birther”BS is additional free publicity even bad but still free. Kinda gets his name out there again! I can understand pride in who you are and your roots, but
this flag has been a contentious and divisive symbol back the Civil War and any
flying of this symbol will raise eyebrows across the south. Texas was and is in the
south and was at one time considered a southern confederate state. That being
said, openly showing or flying this familial symbol is like rubbing salt in the
wound of many. Perry will traipse into this as the braggart he is and watch the sparks
fly! I’m proud of my heritage, but I keep it to myself and enjoy the fruits of my upbringing!

They have an absolute right to fly that flag. Like it or not, it is free expression and as long as no laws are violated, it is just that and Constitutionally protected. The First Amendment does not exist to protect favorable or popular speech and expression. It exists to protect precisely this kind of unpopular speech and expression.

If people stop reacting to a piece of colorful fabric as if it had life, then the significance of the Confederate Flag will lessen all by itself. This insane over reaction by the media (both sides) and both liberals and conservatives is what makes it troubling.

As far as Rick Perry, he is the governor of Texas. If it happened on his watch, then it is his to deal with. However he has yet to deal with it, so all this noise is premature.

Some need to be reminded again that we don’t ban speech or symbols of speech in America – that the frequently quoted “freedom from upset” clause to the constitution in which progressives frequently base their reasoning was never passed, written nor even contemplated – and for obvious reasons.  Not the least of which is the public good served with the ability to publicly discern who the wackadoodles are in society.  A speaker who marches in the street bemoaning the evils of Jewish bankers will receive a certain amount of attention and credulity.  The same person who does so decked out in full Nazi regalia will receive a different amount of it, and rightly so.  Should one deny that man the option of putting the most obvious face on his views or ought we require of him to create new symbols and launder them?

Note: symbols are how we’re able to identify many of the OWS protesters as the communists, anarchists and radicals that they are.

Meanwhile, this particular symbol, the confederate battle flag, has multiple implications, not what simply is attributed to it by haters driven by identity politics.  In the hands of a northern racist, it’s most likely a symbol of an immature, in-your-face contrarian.  In the hands of a descendant of a civil war veteran, it’s most likely a symbol of the historical struggles and sacrifices of their ancestors.  To be sure, the United States flag can serve precisely the same function, one of antagonism or one of heritage, depending on how it is wielded.

Not that any of this has anything to do with Rick Perry, besides an editorial decision of Mediaite to associate the one with the other.

I’m surprised to hear you’ve noticed any at all in Illinois, honestly!  It’s obviously not about your history as a Confederate states, since you weren’t one; but then, I guess we all know what that flag overwhelmingly stands for.

Is there a lot of racial tension between blacks and whites in Illinois, besides in Chicago?  I associate more racial tension between the two with a higher-than-usual percentage of African-Americans, kind of like in Chicago.  Huh, but I see Illinois’ demographics as a state are about the same as my state, so maybe the tension/racism is about the same?

Yup. The banner of Batshits. The color of Crazy. The ensign of the Insane. The flag of Flatulents. The gonfalon of the GOP. The jack of Squat. The masthead of Morons (also “Morans”). The pennant of Perverts. The pin of the Headless. The standard of Stupid. 

The emblem that stands as continuing proof that we should have gotten rid of the Electoral College when we had the chance, right after the Civil War over Emancipation of the slaves.

Now that is a different point altogether. The state should have the good sense to not offer a divisive symbol on a license plate, but the 10th Amendment combined with the First make it clear that good taste and common sense are not factors.

The headline implies he’s busy with Confederate flag drama, not that he caused it.  I wouldn’t have read that as Perry having done anything wrong.  Ditto to the Forbes thing — that sounds good, really — although the birthing thing could sound bad.  With one thing sounding good, one bad, and one neutral, I wouldn’t say it’s exactly bashing him.  Besides, the article is about the Confederate flag issue, and how this turns out for him depends on his actions. It could give him a nice boost with a lot of people if he spins it right, but it could go the other way, too.  We’ll see, I guess.

You can resolve that last tension by going back and reading what the South was actually saying. It was all about slavery. “Limited government” and “taxation” are more recently invented dog whistles. We didn’t even have income tax or capital gains taxes in those days; they were decades away from being created. “Limited government” means “limited such that them Yankees cain’t set our nigras free” to Southern neggreens.

Always helpful to consult history.

The external forces we can handle. The internal ones, likely not.

Whatever, I am first not a liberal, but I do know the Rebel Flag and what it stands for Tony, having been been in the south most all of my life.  It was not so many years ago that I came across a little bar and grille in Madison Florida that had a back service door for their black patrons…  Those good ol’ boys proudly displayed the flag on the back window of their pick up trucks..  Yes they were just claiming their fine southern heritage….  

About the same time some 30 miles down the road a little bar in Perry Fl was refusing to serve a black man at the bar, told him that he could only be served in the back, again that good ol’ southern heritage at work….  but things did not turn out so well as that black man turned out to be a MD politician and that little bar lost it’s liquor license a few months later…  guess you could say the good ol’ southern heritage bumped into the new southern heritage of Jeb Bush..  

Anyway fly all the Rebel flags you want it is a free country..  and when you start with the rebel flag you should know that it is you that is injecting race into the moment, not those who are offended by it.  It no longer means what it did when we were kids, I am not sure that it ever did..  

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2001-02-06/news/0102060218_1_branch-bartender-legislative

 Nope – GOP proudly scooped up those bigots when the Democratic president, Lyndon Johnson, signed the Civil Rights Act.
Nixon and the Republicans looked at disgruntled racists and saw a political opportunity – Google ‘Southern Strategy.”

 Perry’s already flirted the with the idea of secession, and is courting racist birthers. I imagine he loves the  klan’s favorite flag as well.

Yeah, Florida makes a lot more money from their specialty license plate program, so they have more of an interest in approving as many potentially lucrative designs as possible.  Florida seems to base its decisions on profitability alone, and that’s definitely fair, at least!  And based on current case law, they’re probably in the right constitutionally.  Unlike California and Texas, where we decide on an ad hoc basis which designs to approve; I guess if the Supreme Court or some circuit courts get really bored, we’ll get more case law on whether or not a design on a license plate amounts to free speech or note.  … I kind of hope the Supreme Court has better things to do, but who knows?

“If I choose a rebel flag it doesn’t mean that everyone is a cracker but the state does offer the rebel flag.”

Yeah, we both definitely understand that.  LOL  Unfortunately, not everyone does, and I fear the consequences of that.  Ugh, and I don’t want to see racial tensions flare up again.  There’s been all sorts of nastiness down here since Obama got elected, and it’s getting worse all the time.  I hate to see things regressing like that, but on the other hand … at least if it’s out in the open we can deal with it.

Define “soon”.

George Carlin had the proper perspective:http://tinyurl.com/5r6cwuv

aka undercover GOP borg.

Quite honestly this country has bigger things to be concerned about than what an extremist fringe state in the south like Texas does on a license plate.

(Did that statement insult a few Texans in here? I sure hope so.)

Cool.  I kind of wish more people had that attitude and actually tried to fix things; it seems like all we do these days is sling mud and call each other names.  Politics just feels like high school drama these days.  … Okay, so maybe that’s nothing new, but it’s still ridiculous.  Why can’t we have a Moderate Party with people that actually try to fix things and don’t get caught up in the hate?  I’m no moderate, but I’d still vote for the grown-ups if they were running.

And I think most humans are perpetually dangerous, with civilization being the only thing that prevents them going completely tribal and pursuing the extermination of all other tribes.

I of course only have anthropological science on my side, so it’s always possible your own opinion pulled entirely out of your ass is more worthy.

And I think most humans are perpetually dangerous, with civilization being the only thing that prevents them going completely tribal and pursuing the extermination of all other tribes.

I of course only have anthropological science on my side, so it’s always possible your own opinion pulled entirely out of your ass is more worthy.

I like your name/handle but I’m not sure I can pronounce it.

Well, “all questions” is a bit, uh, unlimited, as in infinity. You monkeys have to think these sorts of things thru a little better.

It’s true all he retained was part of the headline, but be fair:  he didn’t make the link to Perry at all in his comment.  He never mentioned Perry at all, so I doubt he got the idea that Perry was being smeared or bashed.  I think my interpretation of how the headline would be received was true enough here.

It’s true all he retained was part of the headline, but be fair:  he didn’t make the link to Perry at all in his comment.  He never mentioned Perry at all, so I doubt he got the idea that Perry was being smeared or bashed.  I think my interpretation of how the headline would be received was true enough here.

I like the sentiment, but we’ve got this pesky First Amendment and Germany does not. Which may suggest something about the different experiences coming into the 1930s and on for the next decade and a half.

Hey Bob Google “New York Times Myth of the Southern Strategy”  

Fact is that it is a lie, you can’t give away your past so easily, then study civil rights in this country and see which of the two parties has a history of commitment to civil rights…  Never mind I will just give you the links. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html

The list is long, so keep reading…..

http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

See, you were making a perfectly good argument, but I stopped reading in disgust when you dropped this in:  “Note: symbols are how we’re able to identify many of the OWS protesters
as the communists, anarchists and radicals that they are.”

Just like the man “putting the most obvious face on his views,” you kind of lose the respect of moderate readers when you start saying patronizing- and hateful-sounding stuff like that.  Maybe that’s not how you meant it, but that’s how it really sounds.  It hurts your argument, man.  (And for the record, I’m not calling you a Nazi, because that’s ridiculous BS.  LOL)

The thing Perry is learning is that he has so much more potential for adopting GOP base dog whistles than Mitt does with his history of consistent flip-flopping. But in the end, Perry has more in common with Mitt than is obvious, the main thing being that both want to be president so bad they’d sacrifice any principle to become that. It’s unlikely that either would be expected to kills their relatives to get the job, but that’s simply a local cultural limit; if the culture allowed for it, sure they’d do it. And it’s not as if other prior cultures in human history didn’t make this sort of demand, for which there was always someone willing to make the sacrifice. 

A less challenging but just as revealing test would be if the GOP required the candidates to eat feces on stage live and on TV, and wash it down with a glass of urine. Or slaughter a person not of their peculiar faith. Reality shows have proven there’s lots of people who would line up for the chance to do those first two, and since there are lots of people without any principles that are inviolate, in principle the second would work even better.

Look, I’m willing to make a reasonable compromise here: Perry and Mitt each get issued a firearm and each is told to gun down one (1) coyote and one (1) unspecified varmint, and the first to get her down gets to be the nominee. I’m sure many would see that as biased towards Perry, but I wouldn’t underestimate what a sneaky bastid Mitt is; snark aside, Mitt’s a lot more committed to advancing himself to becoming president and clearly a lot shiftier in his ways.

Correction: War-like protracted hostilities. They don’t concede they lost that war. I think they have a point to make. A stupid point, a cruel and ignorant point, a retrograde point, but a point nonetheless. 

Correction: War-like protracted hostilities. They don’t concede they lost that war. I think they have a point to make. A stupid point, a cruel and ignorant point, a retrograde point, but a point nonetheless. 

Yet another mediaite staffer just making sh!t up?

This headline is absurd, based on the facts of the matter.

Honestly, Dan…you should put your foot down and tell your staff they can strech and spin and coverup and all that, but they shouldn’t outright lie.

Geez

To the “guest” that complimented me…be yourself.  Don’t blame others.  I like the Clash and the Grateful Dead and they are both old musical  opportunist bands.

Be young and fight the power…also, don’t join any groups/

There isn’t a true one-to-one co-relation between those who live in red states and what I think you mean by red state types, and also there’s isn’t one between those latter red state types and rednecks. This is a pretty diverse country: there are actually liberal rednecks. Yes, they’re rare, compared to rightwing rednecks, but they’re still out there in the many thousands. The 16th president was such a redneck.

The confederates were traitors to the United States of America. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pride? The Confederate Traitors to the United States of America lost!

Pride? The Confederate Traitors to the United States of America lost!

Yet another mediaite staffer just making sh!t up?

They just quote other people.

I’m in Lauderdale for several days for a convention, and I keep driving by that somewhat Confederate state flag, the bars without the stars.

Sort of like saying, We won because we opened the scoring with a couple of runs in the top of the first inning, then those weakass losers fluked out enough to get the game called under the mercy rule. Sure, 283 to 5 looks bad, but it’s just misleading: we had pure hearts and woulda won in a fair fight. Come back you sniveling cowards and fight like men. Plus, they got the jump on us by using minority athletes, whereas we ensured purity by only using first cousins, which in fairness more than covered our diversity.

I’m sure the communists, anarchists and radicals proudly displaying communist, anarchist and radical symbology and paraphernalia would probably disagree with you that to point them out as communists, anarchists and radicals was hateful or patronizing.  This aside from the fact that those labels aren’t insults – they’re active political ideologies gaining in engineered popularity as is typical in economic downturns.

In furtherance of my point, I don’t seek to ban their symbols; I’d like for you to recognize them.  If I were flying a flag right now, it wouldn’t be those of the OWS protestors.  I don’t mind you coming to conclusions based on that knowledge, and neither would they about their symbology.  If you believe I was making a valid point, I’m satisfied that my point was tied to such views.

Stop with the knee jerk defenses and open you mind – in the style of a moderate.

Funny how many Republicans here, true Republicans not RINOS, seem okay with GOP politicians who support the flying of the enemies of Lincoln and the Republic’s flag. I thought all those old racists & slavers were Democrats anyways, so you should all be down on Perry for that too.

LOL The Florida flag looks nothing like the confederate battle flag…  it is simply a classier version of the Alabama flag.. Lauderdale is nice, make sure and visit the beach while you are there, gulf stream comes very close in down there making the water quality some of the best in the continental US.

Well it is in a sense they are rightfully smearing Perry! As the Governor and leading Republican in Texas, he should step in and squash this nonsense. But pandering to stupid bigots and rednecks is part of his job description. Even W would’ve showed more principle than this geek.

What I want to know is what happens in states that have made the confederate flag illegal. Confiscate the automobile or just the plates. I would like to see the plates confiscated, it will be a long exspensive trip home on that tow truck.

You’d think after the hunting camp incident, he would be against it, but I guess hinting at racism is good politics down there.

So one might think more of those staunch Republicans and patriots would condemn and stop it.

I called CPS, Tony. They’re coming to take your son away from you.

They said you might get him back when you have that swastika tat on your back removed.

Cheers!

There is a big difference between buying your own flag and flying it on your land versus the state offering it as a plate decoration. Too bad paleos like you are unable to see the difference.

 Is any state offering a communist or  anarchist flag on it’s license plate?

I love it when southern apologists try to white wash slavery out of the Civil War. Oh right, they rebelled on the eve of the first ABOLITIONIST REPUBLICAN president’s inauguration because of tariffs.

It’s not my fault you don’t like history and therefore try to revise it.

The South did not lose the Civil War “handily”. Are you going to try to revise history and say that Gettysburg is just outside Richmond or something? Are you going to try to make everyone forget that the Union lost one hundred thousand more soldiers than the Confederacy? Are you going to try to make everyone forget the fact that Ulysses S. Grant was brought in later because Robert E. Lee was considered invincible?

I totally support some moron’s right to fly whatever flag he wants, even the Nazi or Communist flag. But I also condemn any government that facilitates and approves of it by offering it as a license plate adornment.

The slave owners were Christian.

Perry, et al belong to a slave-owning religion.

GOP “logic” on display.

No it wasn’t about slavery. Again, you can futilely try to revise history, but the truth is still the truth. If the Civil War was over slavery than the Union was sleeping with the enemy since there were EIGHT states and territories that allowed slavery.

Sorry, but if being pro Union and antislavery is so important for your GOP pride, why are most of the people behind this flag on plate garbage Republican? Why aren’t your civil rights loving GOP Texan heroes like Perry trying o stop this? Hypocrite

 Sorry Fed up, but you cons & GOP types inherited most of those inbred Confederate flag types.

Biff
wasn’t there a hybrid version of the two flags?

I didn’t call you a liberal, I called you a chump. You’ve clearly rehearsed this response and given it before since you never bothered to read my post. Instead, you copy-and-pasted something you’ve copy-and-pasted before and you ceded that you’re intellectually incapable of defending you stance.

Again, it’s a long-standing symbol of Southern pride, they don’t care what you think of them and they don’t care that you’re offended by it.

yeah kinda weird, now i find it rude and in bad taste, maybe minor we can get rid of that freedom bullshit and keep  these people from flying it

My point exactly! Texas crossed the line facilitating these bigots and morons. Let them buy their own damn flags

Okay the southerners were man for man better soldiers and had better leaders (same with the Germans in two world wars) But their cause was rotten, get over it

Great way to avoid the point, switch to an irrelevant topic

That is pretty contemptible of you twisting my legitimate point, I support the right to fly any flag, but no legitimate government should ENABLE & SUPPORT it, get the difference? I guess you are one of those covert racists and bigots who likes to wrap his freedom sucking mentality as a freedom.

Sorry, but like the racists, most birthers are right wing.

93% of the Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic fold.  Three out of 26 Dixiecrats became Republican, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and Mills Goodwin, Jr.

http://www.freedomsjournal.net/2011/10/22/urban-legends-the-dixiecrats-and-the-gop/

See how many Dixiecrats left the Democratic party:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJsPsU55PM

93% of the Dixiecrats returned to the Democratic fold.  Three out of 26 Dixiecrats became Republican, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and Mills Goodwin, Jr.

http://www.freedomsjournal.net/2011/10/22/urban-legends-the-dixiecrats-and-the-gop/

See how many Dixiecrats left the Democratic party:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdJsPsU55PM

 so you support the right to fly any flag got that.    enable? you mean the license plates?……..lol racist and bigot, you are funny.   re-read what you wrote and what i did

To be honest, I don’t know. Even if it is though, I think it’s the iconography/symbolism that it represents. For example, one could ‘tweak’ the Stars & Stripes with additional visuals – but in the end it would still be emblematic of “Old Glory”.

To be honest, I don’t know. Even if it is though, I think it’s the iconography/symbolism that it represents. For example, one could ‘tweak’ the Stars & Stripes with additional visuals – but in the end it would still be emblematic of “Old Glory”.

Good for her for doing the honorable thing. 

Now if only Clarence Thomas would follow her lead and recuse himself from hearing any cases connected to health care legislation, which his lobbyist wife has vigorously attempted to derail. 

But fat chance he’ll do the ethical thing.

I’m not so sure that the rebel flag is available yet, I was surprised in reading your posts that Florida had the plates.  This is what I found out, application for the plate was originally denied by the DMV but they were sued by the “Sons of Confederate Veterans” and a federal judge ordered the state to approve the application as the denial was an infringement of the groups first amendment rights.  This all occurred this year so I am not sure that the plates are yet available.  It’s interesting that Florida cannot decide to not have the plate, I think that this may have something to do with the way that the State administers this program, you have to pay something like 60 thousand dollars and have 30 thousand signatures supporting your design.  I think that maybe because of this the state has lost some control of the design and messaging of these plates.  

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/06/confederate-flag-may-soon-appear-on-florida-specialty-license-pl/

I guess we need to investigate Perry’s wife too if you have to throw Mrs. Obama in

I was not too happy when people were waving the Confederate Flag at my Tea Party rallies because they were usually from the Klan.  

No you didn’t call me a liberal but you implied it with your stupid rant about calling you a racist…  Hang on to your proud symbol of southern pride, and yes, I know your proud type you really could care less about what others think, in fact any criticism towards your proud symbol will only cause you to believe that person weak and yankeefied..  Well Tony you might do well to consider that flag, Although I take pride in the south, I no longer take pride in that flag for the reasons that I outlined above, it is just to unsettling to others…  I thought that I might leave you with another great moment of southern heritage that many think of when they see your banner of pride..

Rosewood Florida.  http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4291.shtml

Sorry, but buying your own rebel flag and flying it on your own land is a right I defend. But no government should enable it by offering that flag as an official license plate decoration. That is a pretty simple point & basic point that lots of people here besides me, on both sides, have made. So if you are not a racist, then you have pathetic reading comprehension skills borne from a subpar intellect. Either way, your opinion is trash.

Really what states offer swastikas or the hammer and sickle logo on their license plates? Do tell, paleo

We live near Chicago.  People from the south began migrating to our area decades ago for work.  You see the flag used as curtains in the lower income areas, the bandanas, I’ve seen mostly at parks, they have to walk their pits, and  county fairs and of course, vendors sell them at the fairs, fleamarkets, etc.
Through the MLK marches there were some that were racist out of stupidity, my father was a supervisor and during those years would often invite his African American workers to our home for dinner, a couple were single guys and some hadn’t brought their families to Illinois yet.  That caused some issues at the plant, but he continued to invite them, dad’s kindness brought him many years of solid friendships.

I had a couple of bad experiences when out with my AA friends.  We were once threatened to be jailed because we complained about our fish at a restaurant across from the city jail.  The cop told me even though I was white he would put me in jail right along with the rest.  We didn’t make a scene, I just asked the waitress why two of my friends didn’t get what they ordered and she called an officer that was in the restaurant over to basically, get us out of her hair.  I saw that incident as racist.

Another of my friends had to stay outside when visiting a classmate’s home while the other girls were allowed inside.  These incidents happened many years ago, we’ve come a long way since then.  My husband and I associate with a very mixed group of people, the only friend of ours that has been subject to bigotry lately is our little Laotian buddy, he’s tiny and quiet, his temple had been bombed and they have to have armed security there.  I think that horrible incident instilled a fear in him, when rude comments are made, he doesn’t stand up for himself, he’s easy to be picked on.

We live near Chicago.  People from the south began migrating to our area decades ago for work.  You see the flag used as curtains in the lower income areas, the bandanas, I’ve seen mostly at parks, they have to walk their pits, and  county fairs and of course, vendors sell them at the fairs, fleamarkets, etc.
Through the MLK marches there were some that were racist out of stupidity, my father was a supervisor and during those years would often invite his African American workers to our home for dinner, a couple were single guys and some hadn’t brought their families to Illinois yet.  That caused some issues at the plant, but he continued to invite them, dad’s kindness brought him many years of solid friendships.

I had a couple of bad experiences when out with my AA friends.  We were once threatened to be jailed because we complained about our fish at a restaurant across from the city jail.  The cop told me even though I was white he would put me in jail right along with the rest.  We didn’t make a scene, I just asked the waitress why two of my friends didn’t get what they ordered and she called an officer that was in the restaurant over to basically, get us out of her hair.  I saw that incident as racist.

Another of my friends had to stay outside when visiting a classmate’s home while the other girls were allowed inside.  These incidents happened many years ago, we’ve come a long way since then.  My husband and I associate with a very mixed group of people, the only friend of ours that has been subject to bigotry lately is our little Laotian buddy, he’s tiny and quiet, his temple had been bombed and they have to have armed security there.  I think that horrible incident instilled a fear in him, when rude comments are made, he doesn’t stand up for himself, he’s easy to be picked on.

Yeah, good work. You should be a historian.

The argument of a dissembler – made thrice.

Of course, if one could divorce the core issue from the specific, as you
seek, you might be able to confuse more people with the new argument. 
But me being a -tartian, it shouldn’t surprise you that I would be fine
with it.  If a state “permits” its people to select a design they so
choose, enough of them should be able to reasonably support the production of those with hammers and sickles.

But that’s not what you’re getting at.  You’re trying to find a way to force a state to withhold their “permit” to something far more popular than that of your false equivalency.

lol, and i get to vote to dumbass

 Sorry, but offering the flag as a plate decoration is a sign of not only approval of it and all it stands for, but it positively facilitates it. It goes far beyond any free speech issues. If a state wants to offer that as a decoration, then I will conclude they approve of treason, racism and bigotry Even pornographers never asked the government to sell and promote their trash for them. And no, there is no false equivalency, states don’t offer those two other symbols because they hateful divisive symbols, just like the rebel flag.

Well about 30% of Hawaii is of Japanese descent yet are they putting the Rising Sun on their license plates? I can’t believe so many morons are okay with this.

They want to “conserve” (i.e. return to) the past. They want to save what has been lost through the advance of learning and return to a time when meanings and myths were stable conceits immune to challenge.

They want to conserve the power that they once had, but has slipped away and into the hands of women and minorities who they once held as property.

They revere the past as some sort of perfect golden age when they held absolute power. It is the spirit of the monarchy and other direputable ideas that animate these folks.

They want to conserve what they imagine they once had–though it’s clear that what they had was, in fact, illusory and based upon their own simple power.

They want to conserve their power–as they watch it constantly slip thorough their fingers…

Dumbass or a racist, you select since you’ll own it; since all your replies to my posts demonstrate you are unable to  grasp my simple and not unique point. Why am I wasting my time with a useless troll like you? I must be an idiot, since I am attempting to reason with one.

first thing you got right…..you are a idiot

I think they’re just fascists.

Another progressive, another smear.

By “his life,” I was referring to Norbit, object of Rufus Danegro’s point.

But I understand taking two seconds to read the subthread enough to know this would take away from trying to get away with another smear job.

Smear away, smear machine.  Issues smearsues.

Perry count in an article not related to Rick Perry – 5

See the original argument.  I reject your one sided, politically driven, identity politics derived view of the symbology attributable to the confederate battle flag; your false equivalency that somehow a historically confederate state
that has never been anything but a republic should have special cause to
offer license plates adorned with the hammer and sickle with equal consideration to those of confederate symbols; your “right to not be offended,” and the politically abusive (not correct, but abusive) speech banning philosophy behind it.

There must be a southern gene that draws them to the wrong side of history with the added gift of being ignorantly boastfully proud of it.

It’s time for Confederate sympathizers to “get over it.”

If they want to wave the flag of traitors to the country they aren’t “real Americans” and should “get out of America.”

damn right they have the regional pride to hold other human begins in bondage, and if their government asked them to let those people free they would rather commit treason against their government than let those human beings ( children of God ) free.  NOW THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF !!!

See, there’s ya problem….got yo ass handed to ya, and still arguing what the fight was all about 146 years later.  Doesn’t change the big 0 in the win column.

No confederate HATE PLATES! http://www.txdmv.gov/about_us/board.htm

You lost. Move on or move away. I’m waiting for the day, and sadly it will have to happen, when the folks in the White House end this madness. Where on this planet does the losing side of a war get to continue to fly its colors or demand respect for there laser fallen comrads? EFF the losers of that all important war and screw anyone who fought for the losing side who can not get over it. YOU LOST SO SHUT UP!

You lost. Move on or move away. I’m waiting for the day, and sadly it will have to happen, when the folks in the White House end this madness. Where on this planet does the losing side of a war get to continue to fly its colors or demand respect for there laser fallen comrads? EFF the losers of that all important war and screw anyone who fought for the losing side who can not get over it. YOU LOST SO SHUT UP!

Funny how the GOP seems ignorant of this too true and factual history!! But then again: PAUL REVERE WARNED THE BRITISH!!!

If the Confederate flag was about racism then so was the union flag, bc the north had just as many slaves as did the south, The north only freed the blacks in hopes of the slaves rising up against their slave owners. The war was fought over states rights not slavery, the south wanted the federal government to stay out of there lives while the north wanted a over bearing central government. Long live the southern republic

Lol the carolinas and florida hardly qualify as southen states, The war had nothing to do with race dummy, i guess you could say the union flag is a sign of racism sense they had just as many slaves. The only reason Lincoln even freed them was in hopes they would rebel against there slave owners, which they did not and instead a good % of them volunteered for the Confederacy. Dont believe everything liberals would have you believe.

Yep they lost, i mean it only took the union 4 years to beat a army that was ten times smaller, and had to kill women and burn homes down,

Ows are a bunch of bums that want the rich to support them! There out there destructing public places, doing drugs, and dont even have the common courtesy to clean up after themselves. Bunch of lazy hippie bums!

The reason the government has made sure the rebel flag was demonized ibecause it stands for freedom from tyranny and they dont like that so they falsely paint the flag as racist, to get people to not carry it for fear of being racist. Long live the C.S.A

The North may not have had an altruistic motive in releasing the slaves, but that does not change the fact that it’s abolition is what made the south (losing side gets lower cased) go to war. Highlighting a discrepancy between the perceived and actual motives of The North does not change those of the south. The south fought the war for slavery, no matter how you want to spin it or dress it. The southern republic will only live on in the minds of traitors and racists who want to reminisce of, reenact, and glorify, the bloodiest war in this country’s history. In reality it is as dead as Bin Laden. The North double tapped that beast and dumped it’s corpse at sea.

Because its freedom of speech dummy, maybe seeing to queers walking down the street offends me, maybe seeing malcom x shirts offends me, mayne my kid not being able to pray in school offends me, but you liberals, want to take things away from people like the rebel flag bc it offends you. Hypocrites, its ok to offend me but not you, yall want to change this nation for the worse, for the last 50 years this nation has been on a downfall bc of liberal policies, drug rate is up, crime is up, and y’all still want more liberal crap

Might as well shes spending tax dollars, to get drunk and constantly vacation

Hey dummy the civil war was NOT fought over slavery, but if the rebel flag is a symbol of slavery then so was the union flag bc they had just as many slaves. The north was getting the crap beat out of them by an army ten times smaller so Lincoln declared emancipation declaring that any black to fight would win his freedom only in hopes of causing a slave rebelion which did not work, the south had quite a few black volunteers themselves. Learn some real history and not liberl propaganda. Most blacks after the war continued to stay and work for their slave masters even taking their last names.

It stands for freedom from tyranny? It stands for slavery. The south lost its bid to split this country in half, but there’s nothing stopping you, as individuals, from leaving this country if you think it is tyrannical. What happened to all of that American Exceptionalism I usually hear about? Now we’re tyrannical because the south couldn’t have their slaves.

You mean like flying the rebel flat?

the carolinas and florida hardly qualify as southen states?? duh?? The Secession started in South Carolina, whose GOP government still flies the redneck flag at their capitol. But the War had nothing to do with slavery, tariffs or protecting the Southern cuisine? Right

Yeah right, there is so much freedom involved letting pinhead Texans buy rebel flag license plates

Sorry River, but save your history lesson for the other GED failures, The whole Texan government is GOP controlled as in the PRESENT!

The only ones who want this flag crap on their plates are the biggest zeroes 

Awww…..waaaaaaaahh  get a life.

That’s what they do when they want to support something without appearing to approve of it. It’s straight out of their playbook. Just look at their responses when a media personality says something horrible offensive and gets suspended/fired. There is no actual violation of the 1st Amendment, but people on the right erroneously argue that there is. This allows them to support the scum bag, while providing cover from those that would condemn them for supporting what was said.

Mortimer, it’s Rio, the first name of a dear friend, now we shall watch the bigotry ooze out of you.

Having lived in the Carolina’s, I know all racists did not settle in the Republican party, people that drifted north with racist attitudes that I know of, aren’t Republicans.  I also consider many of the democrats that are pointing fingers to be projectionists, weak people that are hiding from the known evils perpetuated by their party and desparately pointing their fingers elsewhere to deflect.  Dr. Wallace pointed out the errors in the ages old democrat “urban legend.”  No amount of twisting, projecting, deflecting is going to remove the fact that the Dixiecrats were racists and returned to the Democratic party after their snit didn’t play out as they wanted.

Here’s a list of the things I have to tolerate.
1. Muslim women in burkas. 
2. Weird freaks with piercings and tattoos.
3. Black Panther thugs shouting stuff about killing white people.
4. OWS protestors invading private places and keeping residents up at night.
5. Being fingerprinted like a criminal every time I buy a gun. 
6. Companies that tell their employees to lose weight.
7. Mandatory diversity and sensitivity training.
8. Earth day. 
9. A liberal media that refers to illegal aliens and “migrant workers”.
10. In-state tuition for the children of illegal aliens, children that were not always born in this country.
So don’t tell me you can’t tolerate that “damn flag”! http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/02/mississippi-governor-bends-over-for.html

Here’s a list of the things I have to tolerate.
1. Muslim women in burkas. 
2. Weird freaks with piercings and tattoos.
3. Black Panther thugs shouting stuff about killing white people.
4. OWS protestors invading private places and keeping residents up at night.
5. Being fingerprinted like a criminal every time I buy a gun. 
6. Companies that tell their employees to lose weight.
7. Mandatory diversity and sensitivity training.
8. Earth day. 
9. A liberal media that refers to illegal aliens and “migrant workers”.
10. In-state tuition for the children of illegal aliens, children that were not always born in this country.
So don’t tell me you can’t tolerate that “damn flag”! http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/2011/02/mississippi-governor-bends-over-for.html

everybody relax and remember, the southern cowards lost the war because they were wrong.  that is all that needs to be said.

As the son of Confederate veterans and resident of Texas, I just want to say that I agree with everything that you’ve said. It’s well past the time to put that crap away.

The south was full of loudmouth cowards then and still is today.  What little the south has is directly attributable to the hard work of the black man, whom they enslaved.  

Well Tony, whether the confederate flag is flown or not, guess what..You lost the war, hispanics – the closest relative to native americans (THE REAL AMERICANS) will be the majority within 50 years.. How do you like them apples??

I think everyone has seen enough of this symbol of the civil war. There were winners and losers.  Get over it. Having lived &  traveled in a southern 4 state area., I find the southern people smart, friendly, educated.  Every faction has their radical fringe group. One thing that has puzzled me is why Blacks thik they should be democrats, since they were freed by a Republican President. 

Their cause was being able to leave the Union. The Southern states didn’t believe that the federal government had the power to prevent the Southern states from seceding.

And they didn’t, since they did seceded. And then they were invaded.

You were wrong and you were exposed. Your reaction is your hang-up, not mine.

No matter how hard you try, you can’t revise history. Whining about the facts of history isn’t going to change them, so get over it.

Kin I git em Boss, kin I git em?

Enos

If the war was fought for slavery alone….WHY did it take almost 3 years after the war started for Lincoln to free the slaves? He couldn’t make up his mind whether slavery was right or wrong?
Find even ONE war, anywhere in mankind’s history that a war started, but it took 3 years to decide why the war was started? Just one war, not several…just ONE war that began with no stated cause.The war was about states’ rights….deciding whether slavery was right for every state…WAS a state’s right to decide.
You have any idea how many Civil Wars have been fought during mankind’s long history?
HINT: it’s in the hundreds…100s
All of those 100s of civil wars were fought for many, many different reasons OTHER than slavery.
To correctly state that OUR civil war was fought about State’s Rights…is by no means advocating that slavery is acceptable.
Slavery isn’t and never was acceptable…ALWAYS wrong.
Civil War starts….continues for 3 years…THEN one side declares WHAT the war was for>
Imagine a divorce that begins, proceeds for 3 years…and THEN one party decides what the cause of the divorce was?
Absolutely ridiculous that a divorce would begin and continue 3 years without a stated cause.
EQUALLY ridiculous that tens of thousand of men fighting and killing each other for 3 years before ANYONE states the cause.
You are confusing people that insist what the factual cause for the war was….with people that think slavery is acceptable……not even close to the same thing
The Northern States had voted…State by State..to decide by majority whether their States was going to be a slave-holding State or not.
That’s what the South wanted…the southern states wanted the same right to vote state by state for what happened inside their states.
 

The cause was stated. They wanted to take away the slaves. The south wanted to fight to keep them. It’s not that hard to understand. As far as ol’ Lincoln, I’ve said before that he didn’t really care for the plight of slaves. He pretty much said as much. Just because the North might have had disingenuous A-holes that wanted to free the slaves for less than altruistic intentions, does not mean the south is exonerated. They baited the south by threatening to take the slaves and the south gladly took the bait and fought that war for slavery.

There is no compatibility between the Red, White and BLUE, and the confederate flag. The South is the only region of the world that still celebrates a WAR, it lost. And if they had won, there would be no UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Those who fly the confederate flag are declaring themselves REBELS,  They are really showing their ignorance and disloyalty to the US CONSTITUTION.

Billyrouth2000 is correct. and it never stood for slavery.It is the Democrat’s Progressive logo that stands for keeping the black population on  the welfare plantation.That’s just how it is and you need to learn how to deal with it.

 We southerners choose to FLY the Confederate Flag but we only SALUTE the American Flaf.
There is a certain Kenyan, Muslim mutt  in DC who refuses to do either.
Who’s the traitor?

No, the “cause” wasn’t stated. The southern states opted for secession. Why wasn’t the Emancipation Proclamation issued at the beginning of the war….if slavery was the sole cause for the war….why wait nearly 3 years after the war started? It is simply impossible to explain away the importance of a “cause” not being declared until 3 years after a war beginning.
2nd: The North controlled the Senate because of more states, and also controlled the House which is based on population. Northern states passed legislation favorable to them to the detriment of the southern states.
3rd There was a clash of cultures and the clash of privileged and wealthy vs. the makeup of the northern states. Jealousy is certainly not a new reason for war and hostilities to begin
4th. No one wants to be told what to do, and not do…..never have/ never will.
States Rights was an extremely volital area in politics prior to the CW…Centrists vs. States

There were more substantial reasons for the southern states secession, than what existed when the original 13 Colonies declared their Independence for England.

What the Emancipation Proclamation accomplished as an act of genius, was to force England to stop financially supporting the southern states, that needed England’s shipping and re-supply, munitions, arms. Abolition was still a very big issue in England…having abolished slavery there only 2 decades previously. The EP brought the public ire against Parliment members for their financial support of the south.
England wasn’t helping the south for the “good cause”…..England was the largest textile manufacturers in the world. The South the largest cotton producer. With that combination, great wealth would have been enjoyed by both following the CSA gaining their Independence and Sovereignty.
Recognizing the importance of States Rights as the instigating cause of secession DOES NOT in any way condone slavery.
States Rights are still a big issue today…illegal immigration does not affect all 50 States equally…YET, it is supposed to be the Federal Gvt’s role to enforce immigration laws….and it doesn’t.
What should the Federal Gvt legislate and enforce, or what should be States’ issues and enforcement is an ongoing argument going all the way back to the creation of the Constitution…peaked before the CW…and STILL resonates today….and always will, due to citizens in one State not wanting to abide dictates that punsih their State more than other States.

AGREED!!!
More important things like illegal immigration in Texas….and it is them whom you just pissed off….by distracting the bloggers from the license plates.
And to think how hard Mediaite worked to make this an issue.
You, sir, are a very bad Progressive moron.