Welcome to the crazy new tea-party congress.

“Screaming Birther”?

You act like you are shocked. It’s hardly descirptive of your post.

possibly said:
Welcome to the crazy new tea-party congress.

Read what the man wrote.

lazzzlo said:
“Screaming Birther”?

You act like you are shocked. It’s hardly descirptive of your post.

I don’t understand your criticism.

Not Chris Matthews? Heh.

As a journalist, you are reporting “tweets”.

You actually believe that this “off record” off the cuff gossip is viable news?

Of course you do.

Pull up a chair and get some popcorn because we have a new circus in town.

Evidence against conspiracies often only reinforces the belief in the conspiracy for the believers.

How do I know, without 3rd person vindication, anything you say is fact or fiction?

as a progressive liberal i cringe when i see disruptions by groups like code pink…if i were on the right, this would embarrass me.

I’m taking a step back and indulging you the opportunity to be in charge of yer own headline.

Was it Hillary Clinton, the original birther?

Hey, why should Code Pink have all the fun?

The media’s sudden fascination with conspiracy theorists is cute.

lazzzlo said:
As a journalist, you are reporting “tweets”.

You actually believe that this “off record” off the cuff gossip is viable news?

Of course you do.

Well, the tweet was not off the record, it was from a named, firsthand source, but we also have video of the incident.

lazzzlo said:
 

let’s see,
they were reading the constitution…
the man was interrupted…
someone screamed from the galley…
about barack obama’s birth…
seems just like it was described.

lazzzlo said:
As a journalist, you are reporting “tweets”.

You actually believe that this “off record” off the cuff gossip is viable news?

Of course you do.

The tweet in question is from someone who witnessed the subject event of this story occurring. If you consider this story news, then that is news.

lazzzlo said:
How do I know, without 3rd person vindication, anything you say is fact or fiction?

There is a video. The person in question was screaming. Granted, that was the only way she was going to be heard, but she was screaming.

Well, I guess that leaves Rubio out, his parents were both born in Cuba!

Seriously, that’s actually very fair. It’s nice to know that you don’t gossip and when you write you do source.

Yeah Troll, we know how terrified you libs are of Rubio. Sorry, you’re not going to get rid of him that easily. You will be saying President Rubio around. 2020!

ChiliPeppersFan said:
let’s see,
they were reading the constitution…
the man was interrupted…
someone screamed from the galley…
about barack obama’s birth…
seems just like it was described.

lol, I’m aware of the facts.

Idiot Birther. But mean while, Joy Behar, one of Mediaite’s favorite no nothing talkers, questions the recent love for the US Constitution. Yet they want to write stories about weather girls, and puppets on the Daily Show.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
as a progressive liberal i cringe when i see disruptions by groups like code pink…if i were on the right, this would embarrass me.

Why? Birtherism is not a product of the right.

Yeah Liberty, I’ve been wondering where the stories are on Obama and Reid’s utter hypocrisy regarding raising the debt ceiling. Mediaite, we are the TMZ of media news.

To be fair, More Liberty, Palin hasn’t tweeted what she’s having for dinner so Tommy has to find something to write about.

Pablo said:
Why? Birtherism is not a product of the right.

Three words…

World Net Daily

Birtherism is their entire product.

In a nice way…we disagree.

How legislative functions progress is a matter of opinion.

I know what bullshit means.

Why don’t you write an article that actually resonates with someone outside your comfort zone?

Pelosi: “Deficit reduction has been a high priority for us. It is our mantra, pay-as-you-go.”

Who’s crazier? Some “birther” nobody has ever heard of or the former Speaker of the House flat out lying?

Absolutely, yes! Only in a tea-society is it not only rational to interrupt the president in a speech by calling him a liar, but is it also rational to shout out conspiracy theories in Congress.

Pablo said:
Why? Birtherism is not a product of the right.

That may be true, but your side certainly is the one which abides by and perpetuates it.

I agree with you as far as being polite…but, how do you pay for your expenditures?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Absolutely, yes! Only in a tea-society is it not only rational to interrupt the president in a speech by calling him a liar, but is it also rational to shout out conspiracy theories in Congress.

As Rep. Hines said, ‘Unintended consequences’.

We owe people money. We have debt…that is an issue.

Buckle up.

Stephen Hogan said:
As Rep. Hines said, ‘Unintended consequences’.

Only the first in a long series of. They’ve voted the crazies into office, and now EVERYBODY must pay the price.

UNresasonable Lib says:

That may be true, but your side certainly is the one which abides by and perpetuates it.

Bull, Tingles talks about more than anyone else. He likes to act appalled by it, but I think he’s a closeted birther.

There is no “tea society” as much as the people that wrote about “it”.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
UNresasonable Lib says:

That may be true, but your side certainly is the one which abides by and perpetuates it.

Bull, Tingles talks about more than anyone else. He likes to act appalled by it, but I think he’s a closeted birther.

Fairly old but still speaks volumes:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/07/31/fewer_than_half_of_republicans_think_obama_is_a_citizen.html
Doesn’t the fact that 58% of your peers are either unsure or doubtful of our President’s legitimacy disturb you?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
They’ve voted the crazies into office

Fact: Now the Tea Party has to clean up the mess! Pay down debt! Cut …..Cut ….. Cut …….not ……control control ……control….. As the libs had led us here!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Now the Tea Party has to clean up the mess! Pay down debt! Cut …..Cut ….. Cut …….not ……control control ……control….. As the libs had led us here!

It’s funny. You’ve degenerated so far into talking points land that you’re unable to even form mildly coherent bullshit.

UNreasonable Lib,
I’d rather be part of a group where 58% disagree where someone was born than part of a group where 42% believe Bush knew about and let 9/11 happen.

lazzzlo said:
lol, I’m aware of the facts.

yeah…i was referring to this post.

lazzzlo said:
“Screaming Birther”?

You act like you are shocked. It’s hardly descirptive of your post.

that is descriptive right?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Now the Tea Party has to clean up the mess! Pay down debt! Cut …..Cut ….. Cut …….not ……control control ……control….. As the libs had led us here!

Why cut, cut, cut, cut?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that is descriptive right?

Yep, I guess that part of me assumes for the best.

Pablo said:
Why? Birtherism is not a product of the right.

it is a by-product of the right, as is people who believe he is a muslim and people who believe he is a socialist trying to destroy the constitution.

as ko said last night…the right doesn’t know what the far right is doing.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
UNreasonable Lib,
I’d rather be part of a group where 58% disagree where someone was born than part of a group where 42% believe Bush knew about and let 9/11 happen.

Ahh the zogby poll. You’ll forgive me if I’m not inclined to believe a source which projected that McCain was ahead of Obama in 2008. Nevertheless, I denounce that portion of my own side. Do you condone the derangement which exists on your own side?

It’s not hyperbole if the author responds.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
They’ve voted the crazies into office, and now EVERYBODY must pay the price.

This is “paying a price?” Currently our national debt is $14.1 trillion dollars and rising each second of each day. And you are concerned about the fact that some politician called another politician a liar? He said nothing we didn’t already know…about any of them. They are liars.

So we aren’t supposed to be upset at $14.1 trillion of debt but should be upset that some idiot is spreading rumors about another idiot birth place.

Do you condone the derangement which exists on your own side?

I think the whole argument is ridiculous and should be ignored. There are plenty of things to go after Obama for, and this isn’t one of them. But it’s the left that keeps the issue alive and kicking. For some reason, they think it’s a winner for them.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
as ko said last night…the right doesn’t know what the far right is doing.

Well there’s a great source. He KO said it so it must be true.

There are as many left leaning individuals that wonder why Obama has chosen to keep from the public the original birth certificate as he has not allowed his college transcripts to be scrutinized either.
I personally hate that it has ever become an issue, but it is he that has perpetuated the doubt.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Do you condone the derangement which exists on your own side?

Of course not, they are angry and they represent people who are frustrated.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
It’s funny. You’ve degenerated so far into talking points land that you’re unable to even form mildly coherent bullshit.

valkyrie101 said:
Why cut, cut, cut, cut?

Fact: Here’s why they are not talking points and Why you should cut, cut, cut!!! This is to clean up after the kooks that have been in charge the last two years! Tea Party rules!!!

1. Protect the Constitution

Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does.

2. Reject Cap & Trade

Stop costly new regulations that would increase unemployment, raise consumer prices, and weaken the nation’s global competitiveness with virtually no impact on global temperatures.

3. Demand a Balanced Budget

Begin the Constitutional amendment process to require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike.

4. Enact Fundamental Tax Reform

Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words — the length of the original Constitution.

5. Restore Fiscal Responsibility & Constitutionally Limited Government in Washington

Create a Blue Ribbon taskforce that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs, assessing their Constitutionality, and identifying duplication, waste, ineffectiveness, and agencies and programs better left for the states or local authorities, or ripe for wholesale reform or elimination due to our efforts to restore limited government consistent with the US Constitution’s meaning.

6. End Runaway Government Spending

Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of the inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth.

7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care

Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling a competitive, open, and transparent free-market health care and health insurance system that isn’t restricted by state boundaries.

8. Pass an All-of-the-Above Energy Policy

Authorize the exploration of proven energy reserves to reduce our dependence on foreign energy sources from unstable countries and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation, lowering prices and creating competition and jobs.

9. Stop the Pork

Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the budget is balanced, and then require a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark.

10. Stop the Tax Hikes

Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011.

More Liberty3 said:
This is “paying a price?” Currently our national debt is $14.1 trillion dollars and rising each second of each day. And you are concerned about the fact that some politician called another politician a liar? He said nothing we didn’t already know…about any of them. They are liars.

So we aren’t supposed to be upset at $14.1 trillion of debt but should be upset that some idiot is spreading rumors about another idiot birth place.

I’m concerned that politicians whose stress abiding by rules and the principle of integrity have demonstrated the inability to lead by example. I am concerned because all of this is nothing more than political kabuki. These people don’t give a shit about getting rid of the debt or anything, they’ll do whatever they possibly can to get elected. Here’s a newsflash: the national debt is going nowhere. Even when we get a balanced budget or a surplus it will only lead to more tax cuts.

More Liberty3 said:
This is “paying a price?” Currently our national debt is $14.1 trillion dollars and rising each second of each day. And you are concerned about the fact that some politician called another politician a liar? He said nothing we didn’t already know…about any of them. They are liars.

So we aren’t supposed to be upset at $14.1 trillion of debt but should be upset that some idiot is spreading rumors about another idiot birth place.

People can be concerned about more than one thing at once. And not every story needs to be about the deficit.

I didn’t see anyone, in either the story or comment section, that said they weren’t concerned about the deficit.

You frequently criticize the writers on this website in regards to what they choose to write about. If you dislike the website content, why do you keep coming back? If I don’t like a website’s content, I usually don’t come back.

Fact: These Tea Party items will bring down debt from the way the left nuts have left it to date!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Do you condone the derangement which exists on your own side?

I think the whole argument is ridiculous and should be ignored. There are plenty of things to go after Obama for, and this isn’t one of them. But it’s the left that keeps the issue alive and kicking. For some reason, they think it’s a winner for them.

You’re dodging the question now, but very well. In that same vein there are plenty of things to go after Republicans for. I vaguely recall them promising similar things in 94, many of which they did not live up to which is why Newt has no office and the best Scarborough could do was a gig on MSNBC. Face it; these people will get nothing done and it will remain politics as usual.

Stephen Hogan said:
I usually don’t come back.

Fact: Don’t have to like the contents to say that sometimes your a fucking asshole right!

You frequently criticize the writers on this website in regards to what they choose to write about. If you dislike the website content, why do you keep coming back? If I don’t like a website’s content, I usually don’t come back.

It’s called, keepin them honest, Stephen!

Just4thefax said:
Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words — the length of the original Constitution.

I’m sorry, but it’s idiotic to suggest a word limit to a document that has not even been thought out, let alone one that has nothing to do with taxes and was just chosen because it sounds nice.

The symbolic outweighing the pragmatic…

Stephen Hogan said:
I’m sorry, but it’s idiotic to suggest a word limit to a document that has not even been thought out, let alone one that has nothing to do with taxes and was just chosen because it sounds nice.

The symbolic outweighing the pragmatic…

“It’s just a goddamned piece of paper”
-George W. Bush

Just4thefax said:
1. Protect the Constitution

Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does.

Can you quote in the Constitution the provision that mandates quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
You frequently criticize the writers on this website in regards to what they choose to write about. If you dislike the website content, why do you keep coming back? If I don’t like a website’s content, I usually don’t come back.

It’s called, keepin them honest, Stephen!

It’s not ‘keeping them honest’ when you try to tell them what stories to cover. How can you keep someone honest if you are not even addressing what they wrote? Saying ‘Why aren’t you covering this story?’ is not keeping them honest.

Is Tommy Christopher a real reporter? Let’s find out.

He refers to “most recently by Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie, to quell birther paranoia”, yet Abercrombie was found to be misleading. He said he was there at the birth but when pressed he admitted that he just meant he was in their circle at the time; he wasn’t at the hospital. And, he said he saw them taking Baby O to social events, yet Stanley appears to have been in Seattle three weeks after the birth and it’s not clear if the Obamas were living together after the birth.

So, Abercrombie doesn’t appear to be a credible source. Is Tommy Christopher being a real reporter and looking into that or even mentioning it? No, he’s not.

Now, for the Obama fans, here’s a test:

http://24ahead.com/debate-me-obama-citizenship-issue-part-2

After thousands of views only one person seems to have figured it out. Try it out!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Don’t have to like the contents to say that sometimes your a fucking asshole right!

To be honest, I can be a bit of a jerk. However, I prefer to remain civil and not rely on juvenile insults.

Greg said:
Can you quote in the Constitution the provision that mandates quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation?

The Good and Plenty clause!

Stephen Hogan said:
but it’s idiotic to suggest a word limit to a document

Fact: No lets continue on the same course of 50 thousand pages on documents and no one will read it or understand it but hey if it works it works!

Stephen Hogan said:
To be honest, I can be a bit of a jerk. However, I prefer to remain civil and not rely on juvenile insults.

Fact: Thanks great because reading your own advice you might go elsewhere!

24AheadDotCom said:
Is Tommy Christopher a real reporter? Let’s find out. He refers to “most recently by Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie, to quell birther paranoia”, yet Abercrombie was found to be misleading. He said he was there at the birth but when pressed he admitted that he just meant he was in their circle at the time; he wasn’t at the hospital. And, he said he saw them taking Baby O to social events, yet Stanley appears to have been in Seattle three weeks after the birth and it’s not clear if the Obamas were living together after the birth. So, Abercrombie doesn’t appear to be a credible source. Is Tommy Christopher being a real reporter and looking into that or even mentioning it? No, he’s not. Now, for the Obama fans, here’s a test: http://24ahead.com/debate-me-obama-citizenship-issue-part-2 After thousands of views only one person seems to have figured it out. Try it out!

Fact: He will run from this one! The fact remains the same and it is what it is!

“These people have an intricate system of fallback positions that make it impossible to ever quiet the voices in their heads.”

Nuff said.

Greg said:
Can you quote in the Constitution the provision that mandates quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation?

Fact: Correct that it! Need to know what it says to maintain it’s meaning and to stay within it’s bounds! Not the left nut everything has an alternate meaning crap!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: No lets continue on the same course of 50 thousand pages on documents and no one will read it or understand it but hey if it works it works!

I’d prefer the federal tax code to be nuanced enough to be longer than a Junior College term paper.

Stephen Hogan said:
I’d prefer the federal tax code to be nuanced enough to be longer than a Junior College term paper.

I’m fairly sure my final for a poli sci course was more words than that.

Paul Westlake said:
“These people have an intricate system of fallback positions that make it impossible to ever quiet the voices in their heads.” Nuff said.

Fact: Voices of angels no doubt! Thanks for your thoughts!

Stephen Hogan said:
I’d prefer the federal tax code to be nuanced enough to be longer than a Junior College term paper.

Fact: A + B = AB works better! Than a long form!

Stephen says:

It’s not ‘keeping them honest’ when you try to tell them what stories to cover. How can you keep someone honest if you are not even addressing what they wrote? Saying ‘Why aren’t you covering this story?’ is not keeping them honest.

I think it’s relevent to see what stories they deem important and which ones they don’t. You don’t have to agree with that, that’s the freedom you have as an American. Don’t say you shoot down the middle and do stories on Republican’s and the debt ceiling while blatantly ignoring the fact that Obama and Reid were fiercely against it before they were for it.

Mediaite is not a journalism outlet. It’s a media criticism site. Mediaite rarely does it’s own sourcing and its writers only make contact with subjects when they want to clarify a media angle. This is not a primary source website. To hold these writers to that standard is silly. Especially given the nature of the comments around here. We all have freedom of the press and nobody is preventing any of us from making contact and reporting facts whenever and wherever we like. If “journalism” is so important to you folks, why don’t you try it yourself? Pick up the phone, press record on the tape deck and source it yourself. Otherwise, go to real journalism outlets to verify the facts. Mediaite is a place for criticism, not primary reporting.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: A + B = AB works better! Than a long form!

Problem is that A+B=AB neglects A1, A2 & A3 which enables easy gaming of the system. It takes more than that.

I am starting to understand what possibilities exist when you post an inflammatory headline.

Just4thefax said:
Voices of angels no doubt!

Aw! That would be so special! So many imaginary friends to choose from. I like Uriel… he was a badass! ;-)

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Problem is that A+B=AB neglects A1, A2 & A3 which enables easy gaming of the system. It takes more than that.

Fact: Why does taxes have to be complicated and why not simplify them as to the real goal of the constitution! Constitution doesn’t guaranty taxing! Taxing is just for social programs so get rid of some!

lazzzlo said:
This story is crap, what can you expect from the liberal media. I never said the prez wasnt born in Hawaii. He is not a natural born citizen because his father was never a U.S. citizen, simple. BY ALBERT DAILEY on 01/06/2011 at 12:04

This story is crap, what can you expect from the liberal media. I never said the prez wasnt born in Hawaii. He is not a natural born citizen because his father was never a U.S. citizen, simple. BY ALBERT DAILEY on 01/06/2011 at 12:04

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Correct that it! Need to know what it says to maintain it’s meaning and to stay within it’s bounds! Not the left nut everything has an alternate meaning crap!

His father DOES NOT HAVE TO BE US Citizen if he was BORN ON US SOIL.

Like the rest of the Teabaggers it’s one thing to be able to read (which most of them and the Republican Party views as “work”), it’s totally ANOTHER THING TO BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND AND UNDERSTAND what you’re reading. Such morons; so typical of the conservative brainwashed, teabagging, uneducated and easily manipulated crowd.

Just4thefax said:
Constitution doesn’t guaranty taxing!

Not sure what you’re trying to say here, but the constitution absolutely envisions taxation as the means of fulfilling the missions laid out in the preamble…

Article 1, Section 8:

“The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”

Fact: Why does taxes have to be complicated and why not simplify them as to the real goal of the constitution! Constitution doesn’t guaranty taxing! Taxing is just for social programs so get rid of some!

Because I want protection so I don’t get sued every time I make a move.

I own my own business and it is not something some little punk goes and yells about because he doesn’t get his way.

whoops!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Why does taxes have to be complicated and why not simplify them as to the real goal of the constitution! Constitution doesn’t guaranty taxing! Taxing is just for social programs so get rid of some!

….what? “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
I also suggest you read Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 over again.

lazzzlo said:
Fact: Why does taxes have to be complicated and why not simplify them as to the real goal of the constitution! Constitution doesn’t guaranty taxing! Taxing is just for social programs so get rid of some!

Because I want protection so I don’t get sued every time I make a move.

I own my own business and it is not something some little punk goes and yells about because he doesn’t get his way.

Thank you for executing sound judgment. We could use 5 more of you here.

Taxes are insanely complicated and are set up to protect the interests of an SMB.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Thank you for executing sound judgment. We could use 5 more of you here.

We will make you a conservative yet.

Paul Westlake said:
Mediaite is not a journalism outlet. It’s a media criticism site. Mediaite rarely does it’s own sourcing and its writers only make contact with subjects when they want to clarify a media angle. This is not a primary source website. To hold these writers to that standard is silly. Especially given the nature of the comments around here. We all have freedom of the press and nobody is preventing any of us from making contact and reporting facts whenever and wherever we like. If “journalism” is so important to you folks, why don’t you try it yourself? Pick up the phone, press record on the tape deck and source it yourself. Otherwise, go to real journalism outlets to verify the facts. Mediaite is a place for criticism, not primary reporting.

The Fox viewers are brainwashed to not trust anyone but them, their prayer groups as set-out by Ted Haggerd and Jerry Falwell and the “conservative” PACs, in goose-step with their misguided and often totally fabricated lies. They attack everyone that calls them on their lies – as “non-believers” and accept the lie as their truth – that education and truth as told by democrats and liberals – are really lies. Goebbels was able to use these tactics on the moronic sect and cult of Germany to great effect. The Republicans – once they were given outlets for propaganda and lies (cable) have been cultivating a similar group of “under the rock” cults and radicals like the KKK and the TV Evangelical crowd (originally organized by Jerry Falwell and now expanded by ‘other’ religious group who seek financial favor through political action voting and the blind faith flock). The News Corp aka Fox Newz aka Rupert Murdock and the Saudi Royal Family have parlayed the use of propaganda to sell the war in Iraq while supporting the false intelligence as fact. Today, you can still not get a Nuzi to admit any wrong doing – despite the fact Bush and his henchmen lied to the country, congress, house, and UN about WMDs and ties to terrorist attacks and 9/11. It is frustrating to know that many Americans are that brainwashed and behave like the little spoiled girls they are (Boehner, Beck) crying – a lot – while destroying America.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Stephen says:

It’s not ‘keeping them honest’ when you try to tell them what stories to cover. How can you keep someone honest if you are not even addressing what they wrote? Saying ‘Why aren’t you covering this story?’ is not keeping them honest.

I think it’s relevent to see what stories they deem important and which ones they don’t. You don’t have to agree with that, that’s the freedom you have as an American.

I agree, but I’d rather people refer stories they think are news worthy through the proper channels, rather than just blasting about it in the comment section. As I said, it does nothing to ‘keep them honest’ and it makes the person saying it seem like a curmudgeon.

lazzzlo said:
We will make you a conservative yet.

Sorry, lib for life. Barring of course the radical right-wing exposing their true nature and going on some type of purge of liberals across the country.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Yeah Liberty, I’ve been wondering where the stories are on Obama and Reid’s utter hypocrisy regarding raising the debt ceiling. Mediaite, we are the TMZ of media news.

Where are the jobs Boehner?!!

Said like a true hippie.

Pablo said:
The Good and Plenty clause

Res ipsa loquitur

Unprecedented and unconstitutional.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Stephen says:

It’s not ‘keeping them honest’ when you try to tell them what stories to cover. How can you keep someone honest if you are not even addressing what they wrote? Saying ‘Why aren’t you covering this story?’ is not keeping them honest.

I think it’s relevent to see what stories they deem important and which ones they don’t. You don’t have to agree with that, that’s the freedom you have as an American. Don’t say you shoot down the middle and do stories on Republican’s and the debt ceiling while blatantly ignoring the fact that Obama and Reid were fiercely against it before they were for it.

Misdirection is a propaganda tool used by the GOP when NOT addressing their own questions – as Bachmann and Rand did when asked “What programs are you willing to cut to live up to your idea of less, government, less taxes, a $Trillion Dollar tax gift to 1.5% of America, two illegals wars, et. al., not to mention, what have you learned in the two years since you last tried to destroy America under King George W. Bush?!”

Don’t you guys get it?

People betray their roots when they are forced to do something against their will.

If you suggest that it really f*cks people up.

Keep on asking real difficult questions.

Greg said:
Res ipsa loquitur

lazzzlo said:
Don’t you guys get it?

People betray their roots when they are forced to do something against their will.

If you suggest that it really f*cks people up.

Cognitive dissonance.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: A + B = AB works better! Than a long form!

And why the Republicans have been spending our future; borrowing from China and spending like no tomorrow. The Bush morons continue to not understand.

Greg said:
Can you quote in the Constitution the provision that mandates quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation?

Very little of the Constitution “mandates” anything. However, the provision that permits a rule to be be adopted that does mandate quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation is Article I, section 5, clause 2:

“Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings…”

Cognitive dissonance.

That is a wonderful phrase.

I just fuck around…everything I do I am responsible for..

I’m sorry, I will moderate myself. I don’t mean to be rude.

Be descrptive. I tried to get in trouble and I did…that’s my fault.

James Gregory Backus said:
The Fox viewers are brainwashed to not trust anyone but them, their prayer groups as set-out by Ted Haggerd and Jerry Falwell and the “conservative” PACs, in goose-step with their misguided and often totally fabricated lies. They attack everyone that calls them on their lies – as “non-believers” and accept the lie as their truth – that education and truth as told by democrats and liberals – are really lies. Goebbels was able to use these tactics on the moronic sect and cult of Germany to great effect. The Republicans – once they were given outlets for propaganda and lies (cable) have been cultivating a similar group of “under the rock” cults and radicals like the KKK and the TV Evangelical crowd (originally organized by Jerry Falwell and now expanded by ‘other’ religious group who seek financial favor through political action voting and the blind faith flock). The News Corp aka Fox Newz aka Rupert Murdock and the Saudi Royal Family have parlayed the use of propaganda to sell the war in Iraq while supporting the false intelligence as fact. Today, you can still not get a Nuzi to admit any wrong doing – despite the fact Bush and his henchmen lied to the country, congress, house, and UN about WMDs and ties to terrorist attacks and 9/11. It is frustrating to know that many Americans are that brainwashed and behave like the little spoiled girls they are (Boehner, Beck) crying – a lot – while destroying America.

Nothing to add. Just worth the repeat.

Paula said:
Those of us who are physically repulsed by the notion of rectal – penile sex, with the fecal matter and blood that involves, are “Homophobes”.

Its just a means of distracting from the real matter: The PRESIDENT should be able to produce a certificate of live birth, like every other american. And men shouldn’ t put their penises into the anuses of other men..

For what it is worth, I do have a sense of humor.

Paula said:
Those of us who would like to see a simple certificate of live birth (which I have and can produce by a simple visit to my safety deposti box), are “Birthers”.

Those of us who are physically repulsed by the notion of rectal – penile sex, with the fecal matter and blood that involves, are “Homophobes”.

Yes, and yes. Thanks for playing. Have a nice bigotry.

slow news day

Paula said:
Maybe we should adopt our own names for Liberals?

How about “Gullibles” for those who simply accet Obama at his word about his origins.

And how about “Muckspammers” (for want of a word that won’t make civilized people vomit) for those who advocate homosexual sex as “normal” and seek to impose it on everyday society?

Yes because by saying leave homosexuals alone liberals are forcing you to engage in butt sex.

Paul Westlake said:
“The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
I also suggest you read Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1

Fact: Correct Constitutions Articles do provide for tax collections on items such as debt and defense but that doesn’t entail Obamacare and other entitlements that simply have to go! That’s again why the reading must take place!

Paula said:
Why is it that Liberals INSIST on creating these fake names for anyone that challenges their violations of the law, or norms, or accepted standards of behavior?

Um, humans do that, not ‘liberals’. That about ‘truthers’? Did libs make that one up?

Paula said:
Those of us who are physically repulsed by the notion of rectal – penile sex, with the fecal matter and blood that involves, are “Homophobes”.

Really? Every time you post, it has something to do with your disgust with gays.

Paula said:
The PRESIDENT should be able to produce a certificate of live birth, like every other american.

And he has.

Paula said:
And men shouldn’ t put their penises into the anuses of other men..

Do you have any issues with heterosexual anal sex? Just so you know, anal sex is considered a safe alternative to coital sex.

Paula said:
Maybe we should adopt our own names for Liberals? How about “Gullibles” for those who simply accet Obama at his word about his origins. And how about “Muckspammers” (for want of a word that won’t make civilized people vomit) for those who advocate homosexual sex as “normal” and seek to impose it on everyday society?

Fact: That’s kicking some liberal asses!

James Gregory Backus said:
And why the Republicans have been spending our future; borrowing from China and spending like no tomorrow. The Bush morons continue to not understand.

Fact: It’s the Babling Backus show staring that poster Babbling Backus! You are the Funk Nasty!

gedgeler said:
Very little of the Constitution “mandates” anything. However, the provision that permits a rule to be be adopted that does mandate quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation is Article I, section 5, clause 2:

“Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings…”

Article I provides “[t]he Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” This provision has justified legislation with no literal mandate. As a consequence, elements on the right have argued that programs justified under the “general welfare” provision are invalid.

“I don’t even think [education] is a role for the federal government, if you read the Constitution. Matter of fact, Thomas Jefferson said “I believe in the federal government having a role for education but the only way you can do that is change the Constitution.” That’s a direct quote from him. In other words, he recognized that it wasn’t in the Constitution for the federal government to have a role in education. And now we have more debt for student loans than we have credit card debt in this country.”- Coburn

If we apply the conservative standard, “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings” no more mandates attaching specific provisions of the Constitution than “provide…general welfare” mandates education spending… unless of course the standard is variable and literal mandates exist only in the realm of whim or political calculation.

The ABCCBSNBC, etc. viewers are brainwashed to not trust anyone but them, their prayer groups as set-out by left-wing and the “progressive” PACs, in goose-step with their misguided and often totally fabricated lies. They attack everyone that calls them on their lies – as “non-believers” and accept the lie as their truth – that education and truth as told by conservatives – are really lies. Goebbels was able to use these tactics on the moronic sect and cult of Germany to great effect. The Democrats – once they were given outlets for propaganda and lies (newspapers and network) have been cultivating a similar group of “under the rock” cults and radicals like the ACLU, Unions and the Social Justice crowd (organized by Communist front groups and now expanded by ‘other’ religious group who seek financial favor through political action voting and the blind faith flock). The Establishment “elite” have parlayed the use of propaganda to sell the “Hope and Change” while supporting the false intelligence as fact. Today, you can still not get a Nuzi to admit any wrong doing – despite the fact Bush, Clinton and their henchmen lied to the country, congress, house, and UN about TARP and ties to terrorist attacks and 9/11. It is frustrating to know that many Americans are that brainwashed and behave like the little spoiled girls they are (Obama, Pelosi) whining – a lot – while destroying America.

Greg said:
If we apply the conservative standard, “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings” no more mandates attaching specific provisions of the Constitution than “provide…general welfare” mandates education spending

I’m not sure that’s true. Whether originalist, or textualist (or both, like Scalia), or a proponent of the living constitution, I think it can be recognised that there is a debate about the meaning of “general welfare” (not just ‘what is welfare?’, but also, ‘what is general?’).

I’m not sure a similar debate can be had about the meaning of “Rules” or “Proceedings”. The Proceedings of the House of Representatives include the introduction of bills and resolutions. The House is empowered to make rules in respect of this. Or do you dispute (or at least are open to debate on) whether the requirement to identify a constitutional underpinning to legislation is a rule :-)

Tommy Christopher said:
I don’t understand your criticism.

And these guys claim they have no idea how to pick a fight.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Correct Constitutions Articles do provide for tax collections on items such as debt and defense but that doesn’t entail Obamacare and other entitlements that simply have to go! That’s again why the reading must take place!

Actually, you should be thankful that Congress tries to most of these things with the justification of the commerce clause. There is another, much more powerful, clause that can be used for almost anything Congress wants to do under the sun – the militia clause.

“A well-regulated militia being necessary to security of a free state…” isn’t just for guns, kiddo. Congress can mandate universal health care by dint of the second amendment clause to provide for the common defense, because a healthy populace is a requirement for that fighting force. The war on drugs is waged under the commerce clause, but could easily be switched to the militia clause – we have to have sober soldiers. Congress can essentially turn America into a machine for the maintenance of the military using the militia clause all day long if it likes. The constitution is not as simple as you think. Really.

Sometimes you just have to let it go.

You won.

More Liberty3 said:
Idiot Birther. But mean while, Joy Behar, one of Mediaite’s favorite no nothing talkers, questions the recent love for the US Constitution. Yet they want to write stories about weather girls, and puppets on the Daily Show.

I have only been on here a short while, but it seems that many of your comments are of the “yeah, but…” variety. Why is that?

Paul Westlake said:
militia clause – we have to have sober soldiers. Congress can essentially turn America into a machine

Fact: What a liberal stretch on that one! That brings up the hollow Ozero Supremes question of qualifications to actually determine constitution than to read into it! Let’s hope they don’t view it as the liberal activist do! Really!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I also suggest you read Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1 over again.

Fact: Constitution vs. Bill of Rights!
The United States Constitution is the supreme legal text that forms the framework of the United States government. It was written by the Constitutional Convention of 1787 which debated many plans and compromises. The existing Congress sent it to the 13 states; after heated debates all 13 states ratified it in 1788 and it started in operation in 1789, with George Washington the first president, as the first Congress met in New York City.

“Bill of Rights”, these amendments were ratified on December 15, 1791!
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments.htm

Summary; Constitution is itself a standalone document!
Then you have 1-10 articles of Bill of Rights!
Then you have Later Admendments 11 -27!
Three different items but for you we will interpret it as one!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: What a liberal stretch on that one! That brings up the hollow Ozero Supremes question of qualifications to actually determine constitution than to read into it! Let’s hope they don’t view it as the liberal activist do! Really!

Whether or not it would pass muster in the current supreme court (which is anyone’s guess on any subject given the machinations of this extremely political conservative court), the precedent exists…

- http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2010/07/the-original-individual-mandate-circa-1792.html

Not a surprise, we all know the tea-party crowd is a bit unhinged.

Paul Westlake said:
the precedent exists…

Fact: Just an argument by a third year student that’s it a weak argument isn’t precedent just a stretch above a limited governments role even for territories standards! swing and a miss!

Paul Westlake said:
- http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2010/07/the-original-individual-mandate-circa-1792.html

Fact: Nice article!

Greg said:
Can you quote in the Constitution the provision that mandates quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation?

Actually I can. The US Constitution gives Congress the authotity to create it’s own rules.

Article 1, Section 5: Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.

Try reading the Constitution.

Millions of people can demand a border fence, and the media won’t cover it. But one birther shouts out something, and it gets huge coverage. As I have said before, the Left loves the birther story and doesn’t want to let go of it. Because they would much rather talk about where the President was born than address the glaring policy failures of his administration. Obama’s place of birth is the ONLY THING LEFT ABOUT HIM THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DEFEND. You won’t find any coverage here of the Afghanistan casualties (now at record levels), the national debt (ditto), the unemployment rate, etc. etc. etc. But birthers will always get their fifteen minutes of fame.

lazzzlo said:
Read what the man wrote.

“Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain it.”
–Bill O’Reilly

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Just an argument by a third year student that’s it a weak argument isn’t precedent just a stretch above a limited governments role even for territories standards! swing and a miss!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Nice article!

It is a nice article! And the point was simply that it has been on the books in the past and SCOTUS has never had to rule on it. So it can be tried again, and from what I heard out of a constitutional professor on WNYC the other day, it could pass constitutional muster. But, as I said, this SCOTUS is predictably conservative, so any justification for any ruling is possible.

More Liberty3 said:
Greg said:
Can you quote in the Constitution the provision that mandates quoting provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation?

Actually I can. The US Constitution gives Congress the authotity to create it’s own rules.

Article 1, Section 5: Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member.

That didn’t actually answer the question. Wanna try again?

Paul Westlake said:
That didn’t actually answer the question. Wanna try again?

I’ve given the answer is above:

1. There is no Constitutional provision that mandates the quoting of provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation.

2. However, there is a clause in the Constitution (the one I and More Liberty3 reference) which allows the House to adopt rules that mandate the quoting of provision of the Constitution when offering legislation.

Pablo said:
Why? Birtherism is not a product of the right.

Starting the New Year off the wrong foot. Honesty is the best policy but I will assume you are a Fox News viewer. It’s okay you have been misinform, birthers are from the right wing.

Graeme Edgeler said:
I’ve given the answer is above:

1. There is no Constitutional provision that mandates the quoting of provisions of the Constitution when offering legislation.

2. However, there is a clause in the Constitution (the one I and More Liberty3 reference) which allows the House to adopt rules that mandate the quoting of provision of the Constitution when offering legislation.

Well, OK, but that’s a far cry from a provision in the constitution mandating same, which is what Liberty3 said he was doing by quoting Article 1, Section 5. You’re right, of course. The House can make rules to make members sing “Mary Had a Little Lamb” before every vote if they want. But it’s not mandated by the constitution, which was, I thought, the point of Greg’s question.

Not a birther, but there is information missing, it seems, and is being wilfully withheld by Obama. I was told more about Palin’s history in the first week than I’ve found out about Obams in 4 years.

• During the presidential campaign, Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health, while GOP opponent John McCain released what he said was his complete medical file totaling more than 1,500 pages. The Obama campaign eventually released some routine lab-test results and electrocardiograms for Obama.
• Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois and did not produce correspondence, such as letters from lobbyists and other information, from his days in the Illinois State Senate.
• Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records.
• Obama declined to release his college records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.
• Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia University, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Such transcripts would list the courses Obama took, and his grades.
• Obama’s college dissertation, reportedly titled “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament,” has disappeared from Columbia’s archives.
• Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois state bar, which would clear up intermittent allegations that his application to the bar may have been inaccurate.
• Obama has not released records from his time at Harvard Law School.
• During his campaign for president, Obama promised he would make his White House “the most open and transparent administration in history.”

dahni says:

Not a birther, but there is information missing, it seems, and is being wilfully withheld by Obama. I was told more about Palin’s history in the first week than I’ve found out about Obams in 4 years.

• During the presidential campaign, Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health, while GOP opponent John McCain released what he said was his complete medical file totaling more than 1,500 pages. The Obama campaign eventually released some routine lab-test results and electrocardiograms for Obama.

Your right, your can tell Obama is in poor health! Glad you are watching for that.

• Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois and did not produce correspondence, such as letters from lobbyists and other information, from his days in the Illinois State Senate.

Your right at least 99 others in senate have offered this information up!

• Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records.
Your right again, I think all law firms should release their client lists and how much they billed! They should do this right after they got out of court, from releasing these clients lists!

• Obama declined to release his college records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.
• Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia University, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Such transcripts would list the courses Obama took, and his grades.
• Obama’s college dissertation, reportedly titled “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament,” has disappeared from Columbia’s archives.

Your right again, they should look into the college records! The schools he attended are known for “low” standards and passing out unearned sheep skins!

• Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois state bar, which would clear up intermittent allegations that his application to the bar may have been inaccurate.
• Obama has not released records from his time at Harvard Law School.

Your right again, I don’t think Obama even went to these schools!
• During his campaign for president, Obama promised he would make his White House “the most open and transparent administration in history.”

Your right again, he wouldn’t disclose where all that funny corperate money came from (chamber) and today he started holding secrect closed door meetings and has already went around the constitution on the swearing in, no wait….. never mind!

Paul Westlake said:
Mediaite is not a journalism outlet.

Paul, not much time today, but I responded to your remarks on the Allen story and on the NYC Blizzard story.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
“It’s just a goddamned piece of paper”
-George W. Bush

there is another link to that statement that says the source of it was unreliable.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

dahni said:
Not a birther, but there is information missing, it seems, and is being wilfully withheld by Obama. I was told more about Palin’s history in the first week than I’ve found out about Obams in 4 years.

•During the presidential campaign, Obama released just one brief document detailing his personal health, while GOP opponent John McCain released what he said was his complete medical file totaling more than 1,500 pages. The Obama campaign eventually released some routine lab-test results and electrocardiograms for Obama.
•Obama refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois and did not produce correspondence, such as letters from lobbyists and other information, from his days in the Illinois State Senate.
•Obama did not release his client list as an attorney or his billing records.
•Obama declined to release his college records from Occidental College, where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia University.
•Obama’s campaign refused to give Columbia University, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Such transcripts would list the courses Obama took, and his grades.
•Obama’s college dissertation, reportedly titled “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament,” has disappeared from Columbia’s archives.
•Obama did not agree to the release of his application to the Illinois state bar, which would clear up intermittent allegations that his application to the bar may have been inaccurate.
•Obama has not released records from his time at Harvard Law School.
•During his campaign for president, Obama promised he would make his White House “the most open and transparent administration in history.”

just like when a pro athlete starts of an interview about his wanting to be traded by saying “it’s not about the money”…it’s always about the money.
when you start of by saying “i’m not a birther” and proceed with a list of hidden records, well…

Well said, as several of these posts show, it’s impossible to quiet the voices in their heads. Unfortunately they insist on posting this mind numbing drivel ad nauseum.

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