What can you say? Those Dem’s are wimps. They’re like little kids who cover their ears and then run around making noises so they don’t have to hear what you are saying.

Good for them. Show the teabaggers(TM) what a real protest looks like! :)

Corrupt cowards fleeing from police who have actually been dispatched to hunt them down so that a vote can be taken.

I think the words I would use are honor-less and decadent cowards who hope that by fleeing, that real riots will break out so that they can ride back in and “save the day”. Then they can accuse the Governor of overreacting and demand his resignations for allowing matters to get out of hand. Would that qualify them as progressives?

I wonder what they would be doing if the roles had been reversed. Considering that they are progressives, they would probably send in extraction teams to drag them back to the state house. Maybe they would run them by some of their buddies in Chicago for a little “cohesive” enlightenment. Hmmm, maybe that is a little to far fetched, nah.

Gasket said:
Good for them. Show the teabaggers(TM) what a real protest looks like! :)

Would you be so kind as to define what a “real” protest looks like? I don’t want to put words in your mouth.

How about a Mediaite story on all the Democrats and Union thugs who were carrying Hitler signs; saying “KILL the bill”; drawing bullseyes on the governor, etc.?

Was there one? Did I miss it? After accusing the Teapartiers of incivility, racism and being accomplices to murder, doesn’t the media have a responsibility of pointing out the fact that the Democrats are doing exactly what they’ve accused the Teapartiers of doing?

Or does the media’s silence prove that they really are biased and promote the Democrat agenda?

The Dems are fighting for the workers and not letting a vote that hurts the middle class from happening.

Obama thugs in the house!!

Obama’s Organizing for America Funneling Protesters Into Wisconsin

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rush-obamas-organizing-for-america-funneling-protesters-into-wisconsin/

Ever the community organizer.

Here you go Mediaite. I’ll even help you do your job. Do a compare/contrast of a Teaparty rally with the Democrat/Organizing for America/Union thug rallies in Wisconsin.
Here….take a look:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/02/top-15-photos-from-wisconsin-hate.html

Also, let us know if the Teapartiers ever organized mobs to terrorize the neighborhoods and private homes of American citizens.

OxyCon, Don’t bother, I’ve been sending them links ALL day. They are choosing to ignore it. What liberal media bias?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
OxyCon, Don’t bother, I’ve been sending them links ALL day. They are choosing to ignore it. What liberal media bias?

Lol, we both posted links to Obama’s Organizing For America thugs at the same time.

Isn’t it odd how Obama tries to act like he’s above the fray, and he says we should all act like grown ups, yet it is his political operations which are behaving like dangerous youth gangs?

Welcome to the “TEAED OFF PARTY”

OxyCon, same thing happened after the Tuscon tragedy. He let his political allies vilify his political opponents, while sitting back knowing full well it was a lie. Absolutely disgusting!

ps, Congrats to FOX for once again doing the work the lamestream media refuses to do:

Fox News Highlights Nazi, Hitler Signs in Wisconsin Pension Debate, Networks Skip Controversy

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2011/02/17/fox-news-highlights-nazi-hitler-signs-wisconsin-pension-debate-netwo#ixzz1EHbPqnEy

i love it !!!! Elections have consequences. Now the democrats know what america has put up with for the last 2 years and now they cant take have no power. Republicans run most state houses now … game is up. Even if Barry gets relected…his agenda is dead. Republicans will have the congress and they will take over the senate in 2012. 24 seats up for grabs compared to only 11 republicans seats and 90% fo thsoe are locks…. GAME OVER DEMOCRATS…. WI Gov is an american hero

WI Gov is an american hero

Ditto! And I think this will gain steam in other states. I think American’s are finally waking up to what these powerful unions are doing to our economy and those around the world. It’s about darn time!

Here’s a good read about the death threats Republican Senators in Wisconsin are receiving and the Democrat mobs invading peoples homes and neighborhoods:

To Be a Republican Lawmaker in Madison

Hopper has received threatening phone calls and e-mails. These are threats of a physical nature. “We are working with law enforcement in my district. They are watching my home and my business.” Other Republicans have had their homes and businesses threatened, too. The unionists have demonstrated outside those homes and businesses.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260040/be-republican-lawmaker-madison-jay-nordlinger

You know as I watch Wisconsin, I have to say the I am glad to live in Nashville, TN. We have no State Income tax, we are a right to work state and best of all, no ice fishing.

Seriously, is it any wonder why we are doing better here than the Northern States. We have our economic troubles but they are nothing compared to states like Michigan, Wisconsin, New York and of course the west coast California. BTW Cali, please put the cap and tax law into place, we would like the rest of Nissan’s operation moved here. After all, we have a number of your car plants and ripped the American HQ right out from under you, good job.

Also, no bailouts for you bankrupted states, we who do not live in those little slices of heaven want no part of saving your asses. Do like we have to do, live within your means and pay your own bills, we won’t.

As a present WI resident, I am proud of Governor Walker and the rest of the GOP.

I am thankful for all of the good, quality teachers that taught there students today and that will teach their students tomorrow. To everyone else (and those of you that have been videotaped with vile and evil signs), I hope you get some pink slips…..Reagan style.

Sidhekitten said:
Would you be so kind as to define what a “real” protest looks like? I don’t want to put words in your mouth.

Crickets are chirping, Gasket…

Sidhekitten said:
You know as I watch Wisconsin, I have to say the I am glad to live in Nashville, TN. We have no State Income tax, we are a right to work state and best of all, no ice fishing.

Seriously, is it any wonder why we are doing better here than the Northern States. We have our economic troubles but they are nothing compared to states like Michigan, Wisconsin, New York and of course the west coast California. BTW Cali, please put the cap and tax law into place, we would like the rest of Nissan’s operation moved here. After all, we have a number of your car plants and ripped the American HQ right out from under you, good job.

Also, no bailouts for you bankrupted states, we who do not live in those little slices of heaven want no part of saving your asses. Do like we have to do, live within your means and pay your own bills, we won’t.

Haha I’ve enjoyed you posting here lately. Humor and facts. :)

Sidhekitten said:
Crickets are chirping, Gasket…

He’s probably out making a sign for a protest….

Just sit by and watch as every American working today has their lives and dignity destroyed by these tea-party, fox news anti working man tactics. The tea-party, fox Governors in Wi.,Oh., and Fl. blame the working people of today and intend to punish them for the sins of their predecesors(the Governors that is). Well, FFFFF them and the tea-party, fox effed horse they rode in on with the backing of morons and asinine simiens. Keep it up tea-ballers, Americans will have no rights since you all wish to work only for the Koch Brothers and Freedom Works, you retards. Now kick me off!

Tedderman said:
Just sit by and watch as every American working today has their lives and dignity destroyed by these tea-party, fox news anti working man tactics. The tea-party, fox Governors in Wi.,Oh., and Fl. blame the working people of today and intend to punish them for the sins of their predecesors(the Governors that is). Well, FFFFF them and the tea-party, fox effed horse they rode in on with the backing of morons and asinine simiens. Keep it up tea-ballers, Americans will have no rights since you all wish to work only for the Koch Brothers and Freedom Works, you retards. Now kick me off!

We don’t need that kind of rhetoric on this site.

Mine is exactly the type of rhetoric you need, you lemming tea-party,fox types are destroying this country, The problems we have were caused years ago, why punish those trying to survive and live today?

WCinWI said:
As a present WI resident, I am proud of Governor Walker and the rest of the GOP.

I am thankful for all of the good, quality teachers that taught there students today and that will teach their students tomorrow. To everyone else (and those of you that have been videotaped with vile and evil signs), I hope you get some pink slips…..Reagan style.

*their….. :)

Yoda002 said:
The Dems are fighting for the workers and not letting a vote that hurts the middle class from happening.

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The Dems are thwarting the will of the people who gave the Repubs the majority with their votes.

They did it but it doesn’t mean that it was not a cowardly way to overturn the duly majority.

WCinWI said:
Sidhekitten said:
Crickets are chirping, Gasket…

He’s probably out making a sign for a protest….

Yeah, it takes time and concentration to draw that little mustache on the governor’s picture …

Yoda002 said:
The Dems are fighting for the workers and not letting a vote that hurts the middle class from happening.

Oh, I see … so that’s your idea of how elected representatives should serve the public: by leaving the state anytime their side might lose a vote?

Moreover, the new law supported by the governor would only HELP the middle class, aside from the minority of middle-class people who belong to the public employee unions.

How many hard-working private sector employees in Wisconsin want their tax money paying for the perks of union members who pay next to nothing for their own health care and pensions?

Tedderman said:
The tea-party, fox Governors in Wi.,Oh., and Fl. blame the working people of today and intend to punish them for the sins of their predecesors(the Governors that is).

Tedderman, your thumbs up on this comment are zero versus fifteen thumbs down. I’m a Wisconsin native and living in FL and am PROUD to say that most union shops are larded with featherbedding and all sorts of extra perks and junk that the crime-spree Gov. Doyle encouraged before he left the state bankrupt and completely out of funds. The voters voted him and his criminal Demonrat house & senate out because of their reckless pro-union policies, which have driven companies like Bucyrus and others OUT OF THE STATE because the wage-spikes unions demand along with other perks encourage companies to move to a right-to-work state like TN, and other states here in the free and prosperous South.

When I was going to college & grad school, I worked in union breweries in Milwaukee and we had three hours of break time out of the eight-hour shift — ten years later Schlitz went toes up and is now brewed in another state.

Scott Walker is a hero to take on the union thugocracy and the Demonrat crime spree is over, thank God. They apprehended 14 of the suspects in Rockford and as they drove off saying they were going to Madison, I knew these Demonrats were lying through their teeth. Probably off to Chicago where they can melt into the human sewage running that city—Demonrats all.

This isn’t about what you people think Union members get or not. That is a fight worthy of having, but to try and get rid of Unions all together is simply ignorant. They are trying to take away workers ability to collectively bargain. Collective bargaining is the only reason we have minimum wage, 40 hour work week, sick leave, workers comp, vacation time, child labor laws, weekends, sanitation laws, et al. THESE are the things that allowed a floor to be put on poverty, a middle class to actually grow, and the quality of life to improve for workers. Republicans seem willing to push us back into the 19th century because of something they see as a threat to their politics.

Sidhekitten said:
Would you be so kind as to define what a “real” protest looks like? I don’t want to put words in your mouth.

I don’t need to “define” anything for you. :) It seems like those WI “thugs” are doing a fine job. [No Hitler signs though. Don't like that] The protests definitely have the efficacy of a 12 on a 1-10 scale. It’s a free country.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201102170059 (I like this Schultz callout)

WCinWI said:
He’s probably out making a sign for a protest….

I would be happy to join them (if I was in a union) — but I’m not even in WI sweetheart. :) How about you make your own sign and go counter-protest them? Support your Governor. I read the other thread where Paul made you look like the clueless blatherskite you always are. Oh….NOW you people care about HITLER signs? LOL. Is this really from the same crowd that’s always screaming about how Obama is a Muslim, Mao, Communist, Socialist, Terrorist, Imam, Suicide bomber-in-chief, Fascist, Arab, Imam, Man-child, “Boy”, anti-American, Stalin and the other 100 invectives you have coined for him?

Color me impressed.

Grammie said:
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The Dems are thwarting the will of the people who gave the Repubs the majority with their votes.

They did it but it doesn’t mean that it was not a cowardly way to overturn the duly majority.

Hahaha…yeah, the “will of the people” is to be respected when CONServatives are controlling government. Charlatans.

Prometheus said:
This isn’t about what you people think Union members get or not. That is a fight worthy of having, but to try and get rid of Unions all together is simply ignorant. They are trying to take away workers ability to collectively bargain. Collective bargaining is the only reason we have minimum wage, 40 hour work week, sick leave, workers comp, vacation time, child labor laws, weekends, sanitation laws, et al. THESE are the things that allowed a floor to be put on poverty, a middle class to actually grow, and the quality of life to improve for workers. Republicans seem willing to push us back into the 19th century because of something they see as a threat to their politics.

But we’re talking about public employees, who have no right to collective bargaining unless it’s granted by the legislature — and it can just as legally be rescinded.

There’s no comparison between the members of public and private-sector unions, because in public employee union negotiations, those who actually pay for their salaries and benefits — the working people of Wisconsin — aren’t even represented.

The negotiations involve only the public employee unions and the politicians with whom they often share an unholy alliance (“You keep me in office, I’ll get your members better salaries, benefits and pensions … and you can donate some of that money to my next campaign”)

That’s why even FDR opposed public employee unions.

Limp-wristed Libs fleeing? What a perfect illustration for what Democrats are all about.

The Obama Thugocracy was predicted .

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/02/17/obama-wants-wisconsin-mess/email

Gasket said:
Oh….NOW you people care about HITLER signs? LOL. Is this really from the same crowd that’s always screaming about how Obama is a Muslim, Mao, Communist, Socialist, Terrorist, Imam, Suicide bomber-in-chief, Fascist, Arab, Imam, Man-child, “Boy”, anti-American, Stalin and the other 100 invectives you have coined for him?

But … but … but aren’t you from the same crowd whose rock star president called for “a new era of civility”??

Tell me, does “Obama civility” include comparing the governor to Hitler, Mussolini and Mubarak? Not to mention that classy “DEATH TO TYRANTS” sign.

Gee, that’s a little more graphic than crosshairs on a Web site. Ready to unleash some good ol’ union-thuggery violence if you don’t get your way?

“TN, and other states here in the free and prosperous South. ”

What about those floods? Who is paying for that? All those “free and prosperous” people of TN? NOT! It comes from the Federal government. You people better get your information before you go spoutin sh*t off. Escpecially when you don’t even know the facts.

500 teabaggers gather,that is the will of the people,30000 union,students and private concerned citizens gather? that is the will of free loaders.
wtf

Big Eddie said:
The Obama Thugocracy was predicted .

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/02/17/obama-wants-wisconsin-mess/email

Here is the link: http://spectator.org/blog/2011/02/17/obama-wants-wisconsin-mess

This is absolutely correct

The opening is perfect:

“Over at NRO, Jay Nordlinger makes an incredibly good point: Barack Obama should be urging calm in Wisconsin, no matter WHAT side of the underlying issue he is on. It is not just unpresidential of him, but despicable, for him in effect to be urging on the mass demonstrations. “

I guess mediaite hasn’t gotten the talking points or direction from journolist (or it’s follow-on) on how to deal with the signs at these protests.

Can you imagine, mediaite being silent on target/cross hair signs and Nazi signs at a tea party rally?

NEVER.

But, target/cross hair signs and Nazi signs at a union rally – that is A-OK, stuff to be IGNORED, SPIKED, kept under the rug.

For shame mediaite – you can’t hide from it forever, I guess you are just waiting to find how to make excuses for this bad behavior.

BIAS DOUBLE STANDARD MAINSTREAM MEDIA BS

REPORT THE FACTS for a change, eh?

Gasket said:
Sidhekitten said:
Would you be so kind as to define what a “real” protest looks like? I don’t want to put words in your mouth.

I don’t need to “define” anything for you. :) It seems like those WI “thugs” are doing a fine job. [No Hitler signs though. Don't like that] The protests definitely have the efficacy of a 12 on a 1-10 scale. It’s a free country.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201102170059 (I like this Schultz callout)

No you don’t “need to”, but I was trying to get you to take a very open statement and narrow it down. Why, because I did not want to lump you in with the wrong crowd, that is the Walker as Hitler, hang him from a tree, lets bash some heads, crowd.

Now, I did find your clip of Ed to be fascinating. So riddle me this, how is that clip any different than the variety of clips that were run by the conservative commentators about the Tea Party people? On the surface, I could have popped Hannity’s or Beck’s narration and come to the conclusion. Swap Paul Ryan for Nancy Pelosi and presto. Hell, I even think that Schultz may have watched tape of the conservative commentators in order to get that measured tone and body language projection cleaned up. Lil Ed even went and got a note from the Police Chief stating who nice the people were. Sounds like law enforcements appraisal of those evil, murdering masses that swarmed our fair and noble federal capital, threatening congressmen, beating tourists, terrorist in training Tea Parties Hordes and those who went to Beck’s thing last summer. (Insert Sarcasm)

The only difference I see is that it was your guys on the street, most carried fairly sane signs, but as always Hitler had to make an appearance, damn still alive after all these years. I think he and Elvis must have found a fountain of youth and same damn fine plastic surgeons. So to sum up, if it is your side doing the do, they are grassroots, real and committed. If it is your oppositions side, then they are AstroTurf, phony, and should be committed.

Thanks for clearing that up.

beamangrow said:
500 teabaggers gather,that is the will of the people,30000 union,students and private concerned citizens gather? that is the will of free loaders.wtf

If there were 500 teabaggers………wouldn’t that mean there are 30,000 liberal TEABAGGEES???

More for Mediaite and their journOlist pals in the liberal media to ignore:

Unrest Spreads to Ohio: Tea Party Member Verbally Attacked During Wis-Style Budget Protest

The growing unrest in Wisconsin over emergency budget measures that would strip public unions of many collective bargaining privileges — and force members to contribute to their pensions and health care — seems to be spreading. This week, hundreds have demonstrated in Tennessee and Indiana while thousands gathered in Ohio. It was there where Tea Party members where allegedly subjected to angry, verbal abuse.

The group Truth About Bills claims to have shot video of a “union thug” ranting about the Tea Party at the Ohio State Capitol during a Wisconsin-style budget protest.

“We have insider video of a Union member at the S.B.5 debate shouting down a Tea Party member without any antagonization,” the group explains on its website. S.B.5 is the state bill that would, like Wisconsin, strip public unions of many of their collective bargaining rights. And like in Wisconsin, opponents have showed up in droves to protest — including this guy, who used very explicit and graphic language to express his opinion (including comparing the Tea Party to Nazis):

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/unrest-spreads-to-ohio-tea-party-member-verbally-attacked-during-wis-style-budget-protest/

Grammie said:
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The Dems are thwarting the will of the people who gave the Repubs the majority with their votes.

They did it but it doesn’t mean that it was not a cowardly way to overturn the duly majority.

I’m a little confused.

While I condemn any signs comparing the Governor to Hitler , isn’t the people protesting an exercise in democracy?
I don’t know all the details of the issue but aren’t the protesters the people as well?

As far as the Dems leaving the state. That’s a delay tactic to keep the bill from being voted on. Would that be similar to filibuster and other delay tactics used in DC all the time?

ps, the video is in the link, but be warned, it’s your typical liberal foul language.

1 – Take all government union workers and cut their pay in half, if they don’t like it fire’em. If they want a raise
they can work on a merit system (good ones in bad ones out)
2 – Find hard woking Latin Americans that want to LEGALLY become citizens and let them fill government jobs.
3 – No more government unions, only private company unions.
4 – Anyone receiving government assistance (welfare, unemployment) shall work 20 -30 hours a week for the
tax payer. Only exception is extremly disabled. If you are in a wheelchair you can still answer a phone or
type.
5 – Anyone not willing to work should be sent to Mexico where they can see what working for 30 cents a day is
like.

I suspect the people paying the salaries of the teachers are not very happy with how they are earning their salary.

This is a perfect example of people on the government payroll, expect to keep their standard of living when the people paying them are suffering….

The is the 21st Century “Let them Eat Cake” moment.

I REALLY hope they keep this up. I think in their minds they are helping their cause, but I think they are putting the final nail in their coffins. American’s are wide awake to this, whether the liberal media are reporting on it or not.

CosmosDan said:
I’m a little confused.

While I condemn any signs comparing the Governor to Hitler , isn’t the people protesting an exercise in democracy?
I don’t know all the details of the issue but aren’t the protesters the people as well?

As far as the Dems leaving the state. That’s a delay tactic to keep the bill from being voted on. Would that be similar to filibuster and other delay tactics used in DC all the time?

Soldiers die for people’s right to peacefully protests, so that’s democracy. I agreee. Yet, ut to have the minority party jump on a bus, go ACROSS state lines to delay inevitable budget cuts is childish and silly. The republicans have both the governor’s job and the majority legislature, and the people have spoken.

David Mangan said:
Tedderman, your thumbs up on this comment are zero versus fifteen thumbs down. I’m a Wisconsin native and living in FL and am PROUD to say that most union shops are larded with featherbedding and all sorts of extra perks and junk that the crime-spree Gov. Doyle encouraged before he left the state bankrupt and completely out of funds. The voters voted him and his criminal Demonrat house & senate out because of their reckless pro-union policies, which have driven companies like Bucyrus and others OUT OF THE STATE because the wage-spikes unions demand along with other perks encourage companies to move to a right-to-work state like TN, and other states here in the free and prosperous South.

When I was going to college & grad school, I worked in union breweries in Milwaukee and we had three hours of break time out of the eight-hour shift — ten years later Schlitz went toes up and is now brewed in another state.

Scott Walker is a hero to take on the union thugocracy and the Demonrat crime spree is over, thank God. They apprehended 14 of the suspects in Rockford and as they drove off saying they were going to Madison, I knew these Demonrats were lying through their teeth. Probably off to Chicago where they can melt into the human sewage running that city—Demonrats all.

Thanks for the input. In principle I support responsible unions and the workers rights to negotiate but over the years I have seen that unions can demand too much and wind up forcing a decent company out of business. I don’t see the point in constantly asking for more. The worker has to be concerned about the health of the company if they want to keep working.
I tend to favor profit sharing plans where the workers have a financial interest in the success of the company.
I think unions being too greedy have hurt businesses on one end, and the stock market has been detrimental on the other.

IN this case, why can’t the Governor have a series of meetings with state employees and come to some agreement. States and cities have been laying people off. At some point you have to face reality and decide whether a pay cut is better than lay offs. My son took a pay cut over a year ago to help keep his company going.

Gasket said:
Good for them. Show the teabaggers(TM) what a real protest looks like! :)

Just so we’re clear. You have no problem shutting down a Govt. And you have no problem with slurs… as long as you don’t like a group of people. Got it. Thanks :)

I will be holding you to these positions in the future ;).

Get bent teabag!

Yep show the teabags how to protest like real men. Teabags carry misspelled signs and call Obama a Muslim, Liberals just don’t show up and say take your own vote ahole. Real men.

Yoda002 said:
The Dems are fighting for the workers and not letting a vote that hurts the middle class from happening.

The Dems are NOT in fact fighting for the “middle class”. They are fighting for union members that are paid by taxes raised off the backs of private sector employees. Private sector employees BTW that are paid at a lower rate and are given less lucrative benefits than their tax leach brethren that are demanding they keep paying them their exorbitant salaries and benefits. The state is in debt and the Repubs thought they could share the pain and lower compensation so no one lost their job. Now it looks like, to make up the gap, the only thing to be done is fire 8000 union state workers to bring the state into balance.

Well there is ONE way to make up the difference. The Dems must want to raise taxes on the “middle class” working families of Wisconsin to pay the unions their demands. Nice. Sacrifice an entire state of working people for the handful that vote Dem. Sacrifice the many to protect the few.

Color Me Badd said:
Get bent teabag!

Color Me Badd said:
Yep show the teabags how to protest like real men. Teabags carry misspelled signs and call Obama a Muslim, Liberals just don’t show up and say take your own vote ahole. Real men.

OK now I’m convinced you a right winger on here to make liberals look like morons. There is NO way anyone could be as stupid as you.

TrollJuice said:
“TN, and other states here in the free and prosperous South. ”

What about those floods? Who is paying for that? All those “free and prosperous” people of TN? NOT! It comes from the Federal government. You people better get your information before you go spoutin sh*t off. Escpecially when you don’t even know the facts.

Dude, do you even life close to Nashville? I live here, I have family and friends whose subdivisions that became islands when the Harpeth River cleared its banks because the Cumberland turned into the Mississippi after a major winter thaw. It was a 1000 year flood. We had a school portable floating down I-24 heading for Chattanooga for fraks sake. In fact, it will go down as one of the worst disasters in the country. Now in case you missed it, we did not get a bunch of National Coverage, we did not get the New Orleans treatment. Now part of it is because of the Gulf Crisis that was going on, but even Anderson Cooper stated that the national media failed to cover it as well as it should have.

You know what we did in the face of the deafening silence, well first let me tell you what we did not do. We did not riot, we did not loot, we did not cry racists, nor did we cry save us Uncle Obama, save us, and we most certainly did not wait for the Fed to get it’s collective shit together and swoop in to rescue us. You know how many times “O” showed up here, NONE ZIP, NADA! For a guy who loves to travel and talk, you would think that he could have altered the flight plan by a hundred or so Nautical miles and touched down to deliver a quick speech and go on to Louisiana. So does that mean Obama hates country music? Now, personally I think it was better that way so he would not snarl our traffic.

Here is what we did, we got to work. Yes we knew that FEMA would get around to us, eventually, (we do pay federal income tax after all) but we did not wait from them. Anyone who had a boat was out pulling people out of there homes, not just the EMS. While the rain was going on and in the days after we had volunteers working around the clock down at our sole working water plant sandbagging the area because if we lost that plant then almost half a million people would be without fresh water. I spent several days helping to clean up my family and friends debris and then moved on to total strangers. I saw people who definitely were bad off give their time and money to others because they believed the other guy had it worst. Hell Taylor Swift called our local telethon and drop half a million dollars on the air. I am not a Country Fan, but I sure as hell have her CD’s now. I have never been so proud of my city and her people.

We are still recovering from the effects and the final total is not official, but it is high, the number starts with a “B”. So, why don’t you try not to look like an ignorant, left wing leach and shut your fraking pie hole on that subject. You have no frakin idea what your are talking about, on this issue.

Color Me Badd said:
Yep show the teabags how to protest like real men. Teabags carry misspelled signs and call Obama a Muslim, Liberals just don’t show up and say take your own vote ahole. Real men.

Just so we are clear, Real men (your term) carry correctly spelled signs with pictures of their governor depicted as Adolph Hitler. That is what you are contending?? Seriously???

lane said:
Soldiers die for people’s right to peacefully protests, so that’s democracy. I agreee. Yet, ut to have the minority party jump on a bus, go ACROSS state lines to delay inevitable budget cuts is childish and silly. The republicans have both the governor’s job and the majority legislature, and the people have spoken.

So how does this differ from health care reform? Dems with majority in house and Senate working on legislation , and people were encouraged to come out and protest a piece of legislation.

I do agree that a financial crisis has to be addressed. Nobody wants the cuts to hurt them.
I’ve been listening lately to the controversy about the duplicate jet engine that has cost us billions. All the people who’s states will be affected by cutting the program and most of the GOP want it continued even though pretty much everybody, including the Secretary of Defense, was against it. We have to realize we are in this together and it’s not so much about party victories , but finding a way through this together.

CosmosDan said:
So how does this differ from health care reform? Dems with majority in house and Senate working on legislation , and people were encouraged to come out and protest a piece of legislation.

I do agree that a financial crisis has to be addressed. Nobody wants the cuts to hurt them.
I’ve been listening lately to the controversy about the duplicate jet engine that has cost us billions. All the people who’s states will be affected by cutting the program and most of the GOP want it continued even though pretty much everybody, including the Secretary of Defense, was against it. We have to realize we are in this together and it’s not so much about party victories , but finding a way through this together.

Ummmm just a question? Did the Republicans jump on a jet and fly to Australia to prevent the health care vote???

Sidhekitten said:
we did not loot,

There actually was looting. I remember how angry people were to think that people who’s homes were under water were being robbed. I remember the police department being on TV and they were so pissed they were inviting looters to come on out “We’ll be here”

Other than that, You’re right on. It was an inspiring thing to see people doing so much to help each other.

tatboy said:
Ummmm just a question? Did the Republicans jump on a jet and fly to Australia to prevent the health care vote???

They didn’t have to. There are plenty of delay tactics already available at the Federal level. That’s why some lawmakers now want to change the filibusterer rules. I don’t see a practical difference between fleeing the state to delay a vote, and any of the tactics used on capital hill.

A state government is trying to strip its workers of their rights. I thought the Tea Party would be OPPOSED to something like this. So I guess they’re only against “big government” when it’s doing something they don’t agree with. Self-serving hypocrites.

And FTR; I hate those F***ing signs. American citizens exercising their right to protest is a wonderful thing, but the climate of hate is just so destructive. Can’t you make a poster about the issue with some slogan that isn’t based on insults and hate?
I totally agree that the mainstream media should be covering the signs and the language of he protests. I take the call for civility seriously and it’s disheartening to see that kind of crap. Both sides do it, and both sides ought to be making an effort to police their own .

You can’t control everyone and every event, but make an effort.

tatboy said:
The Dems are NOT in fact fighting for the “middle class”. They are fighting for union members that are paid by taxes raised off the backs of private sector employees. Private sector employees BTW that are paid at a lower rate and are given less lucrative benefits than their tax leach brethren that are demanding they keep paying them their exorbitant salaries and benefits. The state is in debt and the Repubs thought they could share the pain and lower compensation so no one lost their job. Now it looks like, to make up the gap, the only thing to be done is fire 8000 union state workers to bring the state into balance.

Well there is ONE way to make up the difference. The Dems must want to raise taxes on the “middle class” working families of Wisconsin to pay the unions their demands. Nice. Sacrifice an entire state of working people for the handful that vote Dem. Sacrifice the many to protect the few.

So many mistakes here…Have you not been following this story? Or have you been watching Fox? Walker is getting rid of collective bargaining, not just firing a spew of polyglot employees. This is unprecedented and unnecessarily unions which didnt support him during the election. Second, public employees are paid less than private equivalents, unless you’re talking about employer costs, which is higher because of pensions.

I know people with small penises generally fail at empathy but you’re sort of unique here that you are trying to justify your hate and ignorance.

tatboy said:
Ummmm just a question? Did the Republicans jump on a jet and fly to Australia to prevent the health care vote???

They are making your boy Walker look like Mubarak right now huh?

kvon said:
So many mistakes here…Have you not been following this story? Or have you been watching Fox? Walker is getting rid of collective bargaining, not just firing a spew of polyglot employees. This is unprecedented and unnecessarily unions which didnt support him during the election. Second, public employees are paid less than private equivalents, unless you’re talking about employer costs, which is higher because of pensions.

I know people with small penises generally fail at empathy but you’re sort of unique here that you are trying to justify your hate and ignorance.

You have some facts right and some wrong. I would love to debate… right up until your last line. Which makes it clear you have no IQ.

kvon said:
They are making your boy Walker look like Mubarak right now huh?

Nope.

CosmosDan said:
They didn’t have to. There are plenty of delay tactics already available at the Federal level. That’s why some lawmakers now want to change the filibusterer rules. I don’t see a practical difference between fleeing the state to delay a vote, and any of the tactics used on capital hill.

Well I guess well have to agree to disagree. I see fleeing the state / country as a whole other thing all together.

reddogs said:
A state government is trying to strip its workers of their rights. I thought the Tea Party would be OPPOSED to something like this. So I guess they’re only against “big government” when it’s doing something they don’t agree with. Self-serving hypocrites.

There’s a conservative meme that unions are evil , or is it just some unions?

IMO, Unions can be destructive if they don’t have a long term vision of working with the company to make sure the company stays healthy. It’s easy to ask for more when the company is at a high point, but what do you do when the company is hurting and has to respond. Economics is not stagnant.

kvon said:
Walker is getting rid of collective bargaining, not just firing a spew of polyglot employees. This is unprecedented and unnecessarily unions which didnt support him during the election.

That’s what I’m hearing too, and that it’s a form of union busting that, if successful will spread. I don’t understand the need to get rid of collective bargaining. If the state is in a crunch I would think the governor could go to the state employees and say, “We have to do something. Work with me to find a solution. Do we let people go, or do we , as a group, all take a hit so that more people keep working? The governor should take whatever hit he is recommending for other state employees.

CosmosDan said:
There’s a conservative meme that unions are evil , or is it just some unions?

IMO, Unions can be destructive if they don’t have a long term vision of working with the company to make sure the company stays healthy. It’s easy to ask for more when the company is at a high point, but what do you do when the company is hurting and has to respond. Economics is not stagnant.

True. But I have actually seen Union bosses interviewed in my home town saying “I’d rather the company go bust than not get your demands.” And ALL of them in my home town did. Between 1980 and 1997 I watched 12 unions wildcat strikes and ALL 12 businesses went under within 6 months of giving into the unions demands to keep the doors open.

Once during a trucker strike a “scab” was dragged out of a truck and beaten (breaking both arms and 1 leg) and was set on fire by 3 union members. The union boss said live on the channel 3 news that when those 3 guys got out they would have a good union job waiting for them. This was in 1988. The trucking company shut it’s doors 3 months later.

tatboy said:
Well I guess well have to agree to disagree. I see fleeing the state / country as a whole other thing all together.

It’s technically a different thing, but I’d say it depends on what legal and procedural options are available to you. Delaying the vote is delaying the vote.

If the strategy is, we know this will pass if it comes to a vote so lets delay the vote, or try to prevent a vote outright, it seems like the same intent to me.

tatboy said:
True. But I have actually seen Union bosses interviewed in my home town saying “I’d rather the company go bust than not get your demands.” And ALL of them in my home town did. Between 1980 and 1997 I watched 12 unions wildcat strikes and ALL 12 businesses went under within 6 months of giving into the unions demands to keep the doors open.

Once during a trucker strike a “scab” was dragged out of a truck and beaten (breaking both arms and 1 leg) and was set on fire by 3 union members. The union boss said live on the channel 3 news that when those 3 guys got out they would have a good union job waiting for them. This was in 1988. The trucking company shut it’s doors 3 months later.

That’s the part about unions I don’t get. I remember talking to a guy 10 years ago , who said his father was union and made $30 an hour checking off things on a clipboard when trucks came in. An easy no stress job that lot’s of people would be glad to have for $15 an hour I remember the dockworkers strike on the west coast. These guys were making $150,000 a year in pay and benefits bringing merchandise into the US. That’s a great job, but it does translate into higher prices for your fellow Americans.
That’s why I favor profit sharing for employees. It’s motivation for them to work hard, and if the companies profits are down then they have some economic relief. The employees get a reasonable wage , and bonuses based on their work.

The little town I grew up in had a textile mill, a frozen foods cannery, and I think one other business that employed most of the town. All closed now. I remember my Dad warning his cousin who worked for a plant in another town, that if they brought a union in , the plant could close. That’s exactly what happened.

Like I said, I support collective bargaining but at some point the choice is, job that pays okay, not great, vs no job.
When it comes to state employees you have to be willing to negotiate according to the reality of the day.

I can just picture the guy taking that video.

Cro Magnon forehead, drooling out of both sides of his mouth, Amercian flag jacket..he’s was probably carrying a semi-automatic with a 30 round clip at the same time. Surprised he didn’t shoot them.

Someone needed to hit him on the side of the head, his record was skippping.

Is it just coincidence that the predominant color worn by these union thugs is red?

Russell Smith said:
Is it just coincidence that the predominant color worn by these union thugs is red?

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I heard a comment in passing that it is a deliberate warning to Red States about the power of the unions or something along those lines.

Who knows?

CosmosDan said:
While I condemn any signs comparing the Governor to Hitler , isn’t the people protesting an exercise in democracy?
I don’t know all the details of the issue but aren’t the protesters the people as well?

I didn’t comment on this at all. If I had I would have said that the only remarkable aspect of it is the near total silence from the MSM and all the pols and pundits who devoted massive attention to every such minor incident from the Tea Party. As for the actual protesters I disapprove of all those who are defrauding the taxpayers of WI by taking paid sick leave from work while actually demonstrating against the reps of those very same taxpayers.

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CosmosDan said:
As far as the Dems leaving the state. That’s a delay tactic to keep the bill from being voted on. Would that be similar to filibuster and other delay tactics used in DC all the time?

If WI doesn’t have a mechanism for a filibuster then that is their choice. The way to change it is at the ballot box.

Instead, the Dems have ignored their defeat, (they lost the US Senate seat, the majority in the State Senate and the Governorship) to the Repubs who ran on a platform of austerity and reform, at the ballot box and have instead decided to thwart* the electorate by literally fleeing the jurisdiction across state lines just like a criminal might do to avoid prosecution.

* I learned today that WI does have the legal ability to compel their presence at their post, which is why they fled into another state and are literally in hiding.

Why will the Republicans agenda have a negative impact on the economy? Following is an illustration of how some small businesses functioned years ago for their own personal benefit…
Back in the 1930’s, businesses located in many small town across America were doing very well for themselves in order to keep it that way and not work any harder. They got involved in city, county and state politics and tried to influence and guide policies and regulations to benefit their businesses. That could be where the name Fat Cats came from because they slowed building of roads, housing, electrical plants, water purification plants and anything else they thought might cost them more tax dollars and bring in more competition which would cost them more money to update their already large businesses. If the growth of the economy increased enough to satisfy most of the population of the city, it also caused the business to work harder and spend more money improving their business. These businesses people were living high on the hog and growth caused them extra work they hated to do. This is why in these day of old. Business men talked a good game of prosperity but tried to suppress it so they didn’t lose control of their own businesses to a more ambitious group of business men.
We are experiencing this same scenario suppressing our economy on a much larger scale.
It’s the same old, same old but with Mega, Mega population, Mega, Mega money, Mega, Mega cities, Mega, Mega states, and Mega, Mega Countries and Mega, Mega International Businesses. They are scared, they are scaring everyone else and they are desperate and intoxicated with wealth. This is a scenario disaster going somewhere to happen. We should not let it happen in America. Our debt problem can be solved. Like a salesman that comes to your front door and says you must buy this within the hour or day to get the discount otherwise you lost it forever, slam the door in his face; he is lying to make the sale. Don’t listen to these kinds of guys, they are crooks.
There is a shortage of business men around the world but some are trying to hog it all by slowing growth.

CosmosDan said:
There actually was looting. I remember how angry people were to think that people who’s homes were under water were being robbed. I remember the police department being on TV and they were so pissed they were inviting looters to come on out “We’ll be here”

I’ll go with that, I was a tad pissed when I made my return post. A more accurate statement on that score would have been relatively little looting and certainly not like I have seen out of other disaster areas. Overall we were all rather well mannered with each other.

What the little troll missed is that a great deal of losses were not is the flood plains, so no flood insurance hence many or on are on loans if they could not get bought out. His characterization of us as little lemmings begging for the Fed was so insulting to the reality of how we, as a city and the rest of Middle Tennessee handled the crisis, I lost control a bit. Apologies.