Poor Tommy, big supporter of the government imposing it’s will in places it doesn’t belong, so long as Tommy agrees with that imposition….  when he doesn’t, well he rants.. 

Tommy Christopher….have you ever had a vaginal ultrasound?  Thought not.  You make it sound like a root canal, a blood draw is more uncomfortable.  I speak form experience.  IVF, twin pregnancy, high risk for ovarian cancer.  I think these women can handle an  invasive” trans vaginal ultrasound and would assume many would only need an abdominal ultrasound.  These women are pregnant…not sick, let them understand what they are about to do.  Wish there had been a law many years ago for me…would have done something different if you know what I mean.  Better to go into something like an abortion fully informed and avoid life long regret…..I’ll pray for them and you.  An open mind and a fully informed conscience is my motto for life.

Are you that dense? Big government is now attacking womans rights.
I guess if your with the GOP It’s all right if big government uses i’s power for border guards Drug agents, soldiers in wars we don’t belong in and on our own weapons of mass destruction. That’s OK?

These woman should not have to endure this personal intrusion. Big goverment intruding on others rights and personal lives.
The new Womens movement should have the Motto “Don’t tread on me”. Not the feaking racist Teabaggers.

 No woman should be faced with paying additional for these medically unnecessary procedures so they can dance to the tune of the Republican Satan.

to a liberal, access=free

This will only backfire on the Republicans in the end. Most women support a womens right to choose.
The GOP will now start to lose the women vote!

Repeat after me: It’s about the First Amendment. It’s about the First Amendment. It’s about the First Amendment.

So much for the myth of objective journalism. What a steaming pile of propagandistic bovine excrement.

WTF does that mean?

Hey, it’s you libs who are celebrating the expansion of governmental powers…. problem is is that you think that you can somehow limit them to the things you think are good… it doesn’t work that way, once you accept that the government can do as it sees fit, the government will do exactly as it sees fit, like it or not.. and besides Tommy writes with an unabashed slant to his articles, he should be ashamed, it takes a thread of truth and turns in into a flowing river of propaganda.

Looks like Mediaite fell for the pro-abortion propaganda. Let’s deal with facts. There isn’t any reputable clinic that wouldn’t require an ultrasound first.  A pregnancy must be confirmed to be inside the uterus before an abortion is preformed and early in pregnancy the best picture is from a trans-vaginal probe.  This is standard medical procedure. Early term pregnancy ultrasounds have to be done trans-vaginally as pictures aren’t clear or picked up via other types of ultrasounds.

It means everything should be free according to liberals.  As far as I’m concerned, women can do anything they want with their bodies, just don’t do it on the Tax Payers dime.  Be a responsible Adult and pay your own way, is that too much to ask?

You would not know a liberal if it introduced itself to you. But this this is typical of the GOP.  Their politicians and voters are simply idiots whose definition of conservative is not the definition of conservative.  To a republican, conservative means mixing twisted skewed religious and political ideologies…..neither one of which ever cross paths with reality.  That is the alternate universe that the mind of a republican exists within.  But, you’d have to be be a pretty unintelligent person who loves being led around by the nose in order to be a right winger. 

it means that liberal thinks access to birth control=free birth control

Hey Jack.  You would not know a liberal if it introduced itself to you. But this this is typical of the GOP. Their politicians and voters are simply idiots whose definition of conservative is not the definition of conservative. To a republican, conservative means mixing twisted skewed religious and political ideologies…..neither one of which ever cross paths with reality. That is the alternate universe that the mind of a republican exists within. But, you’d have to be be a pretty unintelligent person who loves being led around by the nose in order to be a right winger.

Yes, I’m sure each and every woman seeking an abortion is doing so without having thought long and hard about the issue so an invasive probing is essential. This completely unnecessary procedure totally isn’t being used as a means to punish people who decide they want to go through with it in as cruel and humiliating a way as they can for purely political reasons.

Seriously, whether it hurts or not is not the issue, the issue people have with it is that requirement is completely unnecessary and is used as a means to punish people for doing something politicians disagree with, The women involved don’t want it, the doctors performing the procedures certainly weren’t calling for it, the only people who do are a bunch of predominantly male zealots who seem to think they know better.

It’s kind of hilarious in a twisted kind of way, that after all the screeching from the right about forcing church insurers to provide contraception, claiming it breaches their rights or that the government have no right to force people to pay for something they don’t want or feel they need, that people can just shrug their shoulders and act like inflicting this on women is okay.

sorry, but that is you logic….my employer does not provide me a car, thereby they are denying me access to a car

There are tribes in Africa who fasten steel chastity belts on young women.   Men seem to have a control thing.   Even churches seem to have a control thing.   Like women have no brains, and men’s brains are not in their head.

The Texas legislatue passed a similar, perhaps less instrusive, if possible, mandatory vaginal penetration law. The outcry was immense. It’s enforcement is stayed as it works its way through the Courts. District Court: unConstitutional intrusion. Court of Appeals: maybe not. Back to District Court. Perhaps, it will make it to the Supreme Court. Maybe Justice Thomas can send someone down for a Diet Coke and write a rousing opinion concluding no woman has any control over her vagina or any other health control issues. Then, the REPUBLICan party can claim to be true REPUBLICans, in the REPUBLIC of Iran style.

A huge blowback may be coming!

Hey Dumbass, how many times are you going to post that same spew today?  You must think it poetic and take great pride in your insolent gibberish, as you have seen fit to make the same post on the same thread twice in less than 2 minutes…  How’s that cut and paste working for you, you probably took them off a different site as they are probably not even your words…  genius!  

What does that have to do with forcing a woman to undergo a unnecessary  medical procedure?

just addressing the “so called” war on womens health

nice rant, lucky for you as a liberal mediaite is free

you really need to step back and STFU.  A REPUTABLE clinic listens to the woman.  A REPUTABLE clinic follows the LAW of the land.  A REPUTABLE clinic does not provide state rape because of a bunch of right wing whack jobs that pretend to be the party of ‘small government’ while injecting a vaginal probe into a woman without her consent.

As well he should, Stutter boy. This is LEGALIZED RAPE.Your view of the world is “small government” except in the most personal of instances, like coming between and woman and her doctor.  If you are that dense as not to see this, you need a lot of help.

 remove yourself from the gene pool, fuckwit.

 fuckwit.

die of aids fuckwit.

It is not difficult to see all the idiot right wingers getting riled anytime someone exposes their true colors with the facst and truth as you see here.  That is because right wingers can usually not find anything flithier than their own personal reflection. If these people could have their way, they would return the nation’s economy back to the days of the great depression and the nation’s social climate back to the days of witch craft trials.  Being a right winger truly is a state of mind full of twisted skewed political ideology and twisted skewed religous ideology, both of which have no foundation in reality. 

Remember folks….you migh be a right winger if:

-You believe that Jesus loves you but also shares your same hatred for homosexuals and non-white people.

-You
think Liberal slant is bad, but think Right Winger slant is just
fine

-You claim that speaking out against a president
justbecause he’s George W Bush is un-American and unpatriotic, yet
speaking out against Clinton even though he was president is being a good,
patriotic American

-Abortion is murder, but killing the children in Iraq is
liberating them

-Clinton getting a blow job by a woman not his wife is an
impeachable offense, but starting a war of lies by W, allowing prisoners to
be tortured and taking freedoms away from your own countrymen is
not.

-You think national health care should be run by the insurance companies.

-you are angry for reasons you can’t explain, talking it out only makes you
angrier, and the only way to make you feel better is to quash someone socially
below you.

-you spout talking points that have been proven false, hoping that it’ll stick
anyway.

-you’re
a “good Christian” but you hate more people than you love

-you think corporate interests are national interests

-you
have bumper stickers that read “nuke his ass” next to “I support life”

-you
blame Clinton for having jobs to lose or you think the country lost jobs becuse of Obama policies

-you
think the Republican Party likes you for more than your money

-you believe that the 700 Club is the only reliable news program that doesn’t
air on FOX (Faux) News

-You think labor unions are a communist plot

-you are convinced that greed has gotten a bad rap

-you point to Sean Hannity and say, “See, Jesus can cure homosexuals!”

-you think Jesus actually spoke in Old English

-you think that MSNBC, CNN, and all the other news channels other than Fox are
secretly run by Satan

-you think corporate profits are more important than breathable air, potable
water, and a diverse ecosystem

-you think anything John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell or the tea bagger party says is the gospel and any criticism is the work of the
lying liberals

-your I.Q goes up after you get a lobotomy

die painfully okay? preferably by getting crushed to death, or by getting your face cut to ribbons.

Thank you Virginia!!
Finally…..some sensible legislation to work toward stopping the butchering of innocent babies.
I still think all women should have to look their baby in the eyes before the butcher shows up for the kill….but it’s a start.

 The federal government has no
business dictating to one and all what they can and cannot do with
their bodies. Nor, does it have the authority to undermine our first
amendment protections through forcing anyone or any religion to ignore their “Free
Exercise” of their religious views and principles. The government
cannot lawfully mandate that we all pay for someones birth control
pills, morning after pills or someones abortion.

Nice rant but you clearly don’t know what you are talking about.  You are just a rabid partisan and don’t want to deal with facts.

To bad for you…. I have already found my way outside of a uterus…

It is a medical procedure, it is not rape and is less intrusive than the procedure that will follow.

I did not say if I do or do not support this legislation, the point I make is that when you invite the government to have power over what have heretofore been considered not within their purview then you will find that you will see the government mandating things which you will think strip you of your liberty and freedoms… Or are you libs so silly as to think that it is only a one way street… LOL are you really that naive as to think that only libs will be able to write intrusive legislation?

Why is it creeps like you who don’t give a rats ass if your woman of the “moment,” gets pregnant by you, are the loudest to scream, shame shame later?.

Repubs. Communists in disguise.

Unfriggingbelievable.  But I jest.  Wherever there exists Repug filth, this type of sickness is near.

wow.  No I’m a WOMAN that is not going to allow the GOP to ‘pretend’ that I am a second class citizen that isn’t CAPABLE of dealing with my own health issues.  Don’t let your bubble hit you in the butt…

by your logic you are an idiot.

comparing a car to women’s health?

yeah GOP good luck with the women vote… Santorum is already 19 points below Mitt Romney with women.

Hot damn those Virginian lawmakers are horny!

I’m sorry? The inverse is conservatives wanting insurance companies to have the choice to DROP contraception coverage. Yes…that in fact does force women to spend much much more on contraception outside of insurance. That IS a war on women. Re-defining rape is a war on women. Preventing women contractors in the military from suing for sex assault is a war on women. Preventing women for suing retroactively for sex discrimination practices is a war on women, Forcing women to get ultrasounds (note: not medically required) before abortions is a war on women. Forcing women to wait 2-3 days before they can have an abortion is a war on women. Wanting to (strip title X) defund PP – an organization that has for over 40 years helped low income women with reproductive healthcare IS a war on women. Any questions?

f_cking cretin.

Baltotrav, if it’s good for them to be “informed,” why are you FORCING them to get it? Were you forced to undergo any procedure during your IVF? You were ADVISED and had to give CONSENT! Last I checked, abortion is legal in this country. What we have here is POLITICIANS dictating what medical practitioners should do! Shame on you for your fascistic ways.

This is the columnist section. It is opinion. Maybe that bovine excrement is located between your ears. 

The only rabid partisan here, is you.

nope, no questions verreauxii, thanks for proving liberals think access is free,and also proving as long as someone else is paying the bill it works

ok mr pork chop, my employer does not provide me food, there by denying me access to food, is that better

Nice. Comparing a car to woman’s basic rights. I guess that tells us what you really think of your Mother.  

Liberal biased Tommy Christopher = a Big yawn and a long LOL!!
Obummer cannot run on his failed Presidency so has to create a diversion….wag the dog!!
Tommy, you are being played like a fine strat…sad thing is I think you know it!!

nice try for the insult jayson, but i would be for the mandate of birth control if we could have gotten to your mother in time

 That’s not what this bill is about.  Do you not see that the gov’t will be responsible for the testing?

The rational for performing a trans-vaginal ultrasound goes like this.  It is reserved for women that present early in their pregnancies, typically in their first trimesters.  At this point the fetus is so small it’s difficult to “get a fix” on where it has attached to the uterine wall using conventional abdominal ultrasound.  Apparently, one has to go closer to even find the fetus and this is done via the trans-vaginal (insertive) method. Under the proposed law the women would have no choice about having this procedure if an abortion were to be eventually performed. Of course, this will add to the costs and no medical procedure is without risk.

 I am not promiscuous but I see why a person like you would be worried about another person doing the same things you do.
I care more about an innocent baby than I care about a couple of sloppy-drunk, drugged-up, irresponsible slobs do.
Are you placing “blame” on the men only?…or just me?
Liberals are great for “blame” and bankrupt in the personal responsibility arena.

Religious-radical, right-wing nut-jobs are leading this country down the path to fascism; their ilk makes me wish there had been a few *more* abortions performed.

The diversion is on the part of Republicans who can’t see beyond their collective nose.

You forgot to imagine Obama controls the Cons in Virginia to “create a diversion”

Yes, there is no greater intrusion than being fully informed.  I never hear anyone but pro-lifers get angry about women being told “it’s not really a baby yet”, or “it’s just a blob of tissue”. To abortion proponents, women are merely cattle to be herded through the procedure, no matter what.

This topic is not the start of the topic, but a derivative: a woman is being required to trade information about the pregnancy for the service of ending it. Has anyone explained what the results of the exam would be used for? In other words, does the information affect a yes or no to the procedure of abortion? You might say this is the middle of the argument.

 Seek help.

I’m waiting for liberals to tell us why an abortion is ok to have in the first place.

Do I have sympathy for the rape or incest victim? Of course. All decent human beings would. However, when one life is saved because a female saw this ultrasound, it will be counted as an effective bill.

Even among republicans you’re in the minority…  on WSJ’s site yesterday they asked who would win in November, Obama or Santorum… Obama won by a landslide, 67% to 33%.

Murdoch was so embarassed by his pick’s showing on his own propaganda site he made them yank the results:
http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/question-day-229/topics/santorum-obama-would-win-november

..

 remove yourself from the gene pool, f_cking idiot

 i’d happily crack your cranium.

Other than rape or incest victims, why would a female be having an abortion to begin with? The only issues that should ever be addressed is for the care of those facing rape and incest charges.

I also think you’re a male. You can’t get more personal intrusion that creating a baby. Perhaps if the individual knew that it couldn’t afford one, that individual shouldn’t have made a baby.

 i’d happily cut your face into shreds. Pity you didn’t meet your demise on 9/11

 die of aids idiot

You’re more than a little skewed in your thinking, but it would be beyond your grasp to understand what I mean. As for your not being promiscuous & caring about innocent babies, I take that with a grain of salt.

The loudest to protest, are more often than not, the cause behind the “protesting”. 

 If you are making a baby that you can’t afford or take care of, you are not in charge of your own health issues. Period.

As a woman, you should know this. As a woman, I know this.

 women also get abortions for medical reasons or life threatening reasons.

internet tough guy, too funny

starting with you

So My guess is you just put a asprin between your knees? No sex life? I feel sorry for you .
Explains a lot though.

I think it is too late for him.
He gone around that bend of no return.

What’s wrong with you?
Chill!

And this from Butt Head.

Over the top Dude!

Sure – And the women will not have to watch the procedure occur. I am all for paying for after-care. I am wanting to curb young pregnancies and those pregnancies that people get because they are young and stupid. This is one way to do that. It’s not perfect, but it is one method for doing so.

As a female, I’m ok with this legislation. I want the best after-care for the women, but this issue is a cultural one that liberals refuse to deal with and try to manage so if VA wants to pass a bill like this, I’m ok with it at the on-set. All bills get tweaked.

 I find it creepy that you wonder about anyone’s sex life online.

Beyond creepy.

 I think we won’t see his name around too much longer given his threats.

you do get it, you want to kill the kid growing inside you….fine,you want to have sex like a little rabbit…fine, why do you expect someone else to foot the bill?

 It seems that the liberals are providing the loudest “noise” on this issue. It appears conservatives are merely pushing for safer sex and some of that safer sex is the idea that if you can’t afford it, don’t have it.

…

Tommy Whatsyourname, when do you ban this asshole. You have no problem with people who have different opinions than yours getting axed, but this douchebag keeps sprouting his BS endlessly without being deleted.

Prude

“Other than rape or incest victims, why would a female be having an abortion to begin with?”

 1. Because the stay at home mom/pregnant woman’s husband suddenly leaves her and the kids high and dry. 

2. Because the pregnant woman’s husband has beaten her so badly, her unborn child, if born, will be a vegetable.

That’s just two examples. Do some research, there’s many more.  

In reply to: cjdohio2  – Where does it say that access to insurance is FREE? Where? If a company provides health insurance the employee either contributes or it is provided by the company as part of her compensation for working at that company. Doesn’t matter whether the employee is a “Liberal” or a “Conservative”, or, male or female. Try to understand. Providing access to contraception as part of the insurance plan is about women’s health care or family planning which is a very personal thing just as is providing for care to that woman in case of a heart attack. Did you know that Medicare Drug Coverage can now provide men with Viagra?

Done

Beyond creepy.
Pretends to champion womens rights on post and insults them on another.

do you know you have co-pay with viagra?

 And the law of the land in VA just changed. Imagine that?

I am not a supporter of nor an advocate against abortion, I usually stay out of the fray, the ultrasound is an attempt to make sure that the woman completely understand the procedure that she will be undergoing and an attempt for her to view the developmental status of the fetus that she will abort…  I stay out of this fight…

My point from the beginning of this conversation is that for Tommy this article is part of his propaganda campaign of the “Republican War on Women”, since the beginning he has dedicated himself to painting a one sided picture of the contraception fight, my point is that you can’t pick and choose who the government gets to push around…  When the government decides that it has the right to ascribe itself new power and authority, they will sooner or later be pushing you around too.  

The liberals incessant cry for compromise. They want to abort babies like unwanted garbage, or “hot steaming loads of potential life all over the dust jacket of Atlas Shrugged (or whatever conservative men are using for “inspiration” these days)” from a man’s rectum”, and some with a differing point of view on what an unborn baby is are stepping on a woman’s right to her body, by asking for this? And what of the other liberal lament: “If it saves just one life”…it should be a law?

Nope. It’s either: let us abort anytime anywhere, or you are a monster. Wow.

Because aborting a baby is the same as aborting a ” hot, steaming load of potential life all over the dust jacket of Atlas Shrugged (or whatever conservative men are using for “inspiration” these days)” from a man’s rectum. What clear thinking woman wouldn’t want a right to her own body to abort that? Huh, Tommy?

 perfectly put.

I didn’t want to go in Iraq.. but I had to foot the bill. :-(

…

nvm

 consume cyanide please.

What we want, is for the republicans got keep their nose our of our uteruses.  You want smaller government except when it comes to putting your nose up our vaginas.  STAY THE HELL OUT.

You know, woman should be proud of their right to have an abortion. Keep your heads up high after you had that baby boy or girl sucked out into a pulpy red gravy of pain.

 What we want is some consideration that abortion might be murder. And laws like this might save a life. What a concept, huh? Nobody wants their nose up a rank vagina anyway.

i’d gladly cut your face into ribbons, useless c_ntservative.

 Of course you would, cupcake.

 or better yet, put a nice 7.62mm slug through your forehead.

nice dodge with the iraq answer, but  that is to be expected  from a liberal

In that case…. President Obama is correct on the Birth Control mandate.

but you want the government to mandate free birth control, how funny

nvm.

 i’d gladly cut your face into ribbons.

 Yes, we know, sweetpea.

You’re a good candidate for euthanasia, jackass.

Its funny they don’t have a problem with an industrial strength vacum cleaner shoved up their twat to suck the brains out of a living being.

no, you, arsewipe.

 Flag this one folks. This POS needs to go.

“To a republican, conservative means mixing twisted skewed religious and political ideologies”

Yeah I know,right to life, is really a twisted ideology to fall back on….how backward.

 Explain Tommy.

I wasn’t wondering about your on line sex life.
 Why, is that how you get your satisfaction?
Sad.

 swallow drano idiot.

When did they release you?

 And fse… gets a pass? Wow. Your miss gorgegirl brought up people staying out of her vagina, Mo. But liberals can dish all they want. Huh, mo?

  fse62562
idiot

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Busted.

To be consistent, this one needs to go too.

It’s legal and their decision not yours, so mind your own business you foulmouthed SOB. The first time this invasive probe is demanded, being a unnecessary medical procedure, the woman should sue the state for practicing medicine without a license.

Eugenics by any other name…Sanger would be proud. LOL. As would Adolph. No wonder liberals are so into abortion. They surround themselves with liberals. They are just trying to spare the world from more of those who are like them.

it is funny that the same old white men have a problem with a woman wanting to use the day after pill.

liberals dont take or want responsibilty for their actions

i would be in favor of a late term abortion for you mom’s kids

Isn’t Tommy Christopher a parent? Tommy should tell his kids they should be pro-choice since he didn’t abort them.

And that from a 12 point IQ.

Tree huggin’, love makin’, pro choicen, peace lovin’, barefootin’…

Huggin his trees, spreadin’ his seed, and movin’ on letting others pay. Wow.

not me, just pay for it and have at it

The twisting of skewed religious and political dogma WILL cross paths with reality this Nov.!!!! Virginia is a prime example why no one should never elect a majority of spoiled children to operate a state.The result ends up being a sexually retentive response from a bunch of alienated fools unable to discern ignorance from reality.

go back to your cave, you idiot.

fse62562
swallow drano idiot.

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Notice who you always have in your corner. As usual, the sane compassionate liberals. And do you want to euthanize me, too, mo? Like Tommy Bennett?

Failed logic trying to rationalize with stuttering stupid.I’d say we introduce legislation in stuttering stupid’s home state to have an intracranial ultrasound performed before your allowed to stutter stupid comments.ALL IN FAVOR?

“Did you ever notice the people who are the most against birth control and abortion are usually the people so ugly nobody would would want to F#(k them in the first place”
-George Carlin

AND THE TENT JUST GETS smaller..and smaller,till its an umbrella.Can’t happen fast enough for the majority of Americans!!!!

Yup, same old @$$hole.

  Mo Fokker, I reject all ‘likes’ from accounts not logged in to Disqus (i.e. guests):

it is funny that the same old white men have a problem with a woman wanting to use the day after pill.

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Wow, mo, as a liberal clown, would you judge that as being bigoted, or racist, or both?

The conservatives aren’t just “merely pushing for safer sex”, they’re pushing to repress women’s rights. That would include my Mother, Sisters, Aunts, & cousins rights. 

America, is not a third world country where women are treated as though they’re not worthy of breathing air, but it seems, the conservatives would be more than happy if it was.      

Maybe, but I think there are households where young women are pressured into having sex and I think there should be programs available where they can get the day after pill on the taxpayer’s dime.

Government sanctioned rape

 Since I am an old white man the charge wouldn’t stick.

that is a totally different subject, and they do its called planned parenthood

If men can have viagra paid by their insurance, surely you don’t disagree that women should be able to have contraceptives?  After all, aren’t you the one waving the “no abortion” signs all the time?  Having contraceptives available or abortion available doesn’t mean you have to have one. It’s like a lot of other things in life.  If it doesn’t fit you and your life, don’t do it.  I can’t imagine why a person spends so much time trying to interfere with others lives like you.

Does that mesn that when your hubby ejaculates that it is murder?  After all, all those sperms are potential babies.  Go get a life and do something good for all those little children who are facing hunger in the world that you thought should be born instead of railing against abortion.  Do something about the ones who need help.  That’s the thing I can’t understand about republicans like you.  Once they are born, you begin railing on how they need food and medical care and it’s not your responsibility.  Well, if you don’t want them aborted, go see about taking care of them.

 Only conception can create “potential babies” or “hot steaming loads of potential life all over the dust jacket of Atlas
Shrugged (or whatever conservative men are using for “inspiration”
these days)” from a man’s rectum”, as some of you liberals like to call the unborn.

I guess you missed that little conception connection in your state run sex-ed class?

there is a co-pay, but nice try……and i love your last 2 sentences,because you want someone else to pay for it lol

You don’t even understand what this bill is about! Moron!

You’re bringing up a complete non-issue. This has nothing to do with anyone getting anything for free. This has to do with the government forcing doctors to shove things into women for no reason than to try to shame them. 

Did you even read the story or watch the clip? You seem to have no idea what you’re talking about. 

Government sanctioned murder takes care of that, huh? Tenfold, or so?

Can none of you liberals grasp the fact that some of us feel abortion is MURDER??? What the hell is up with that?

You can’t be murdered unless you are born first. Has you ever raed a gravestone?

Yeah, it’s not like it’s a surprise but there must be some frustration within the GOP about this. Fox, Limbaugh & pals have been pushing the base further and further to the right by feeding them lie after lie for at least a decade–longer if you count 1990s radio–and now the GOP has to contend with a base that really believes all of the b.s.  The John Birchers are now the base. 

Border agents & Drug agenrs are certainly OK….much better than turning the food police loose against our children & grandchildren!

 Wow, ellipses gets a thumb up from 12volt man. Wow, wow, wow. Do you like his other messages that much? Unbelievable. His greatest hits, so far (that have not been deleted):

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Link to this: http://disqus.com/johnt62555/

If you think this is coming between a woman and her doctor wait until obamacare kicks in

Wow, ellipses gets a thumb up from 12volt man. A real thinking man’s man! Wow, wow, wow. Do you
like his other messages that much? Unbelievable. His greatest hits, so
far (that have not been deleted):

johnt62555 (aka fse62562)

on Virginia Legislature Passes Occupy
Vagina Law 1 hour ago
…

on
Limbaugh: We’re Supposed To Ignore Obama’s
Relationship To Rev. Wright, Yet Santorum Is Responsible For Friess? 1 hour ago
and then cut your ugly face into shreds.

on Huckabee: Media Matters Is ‘Operating
Illegally,’ David Brock May Be ‘Paranoid Schizophrenic’ 2 hours ago

Die painfully okay? Prefearbly by getting
crushed to death in agarbage compactor, by getting your face cut to
ribbons with apocketknife, your head cracked open with a baseball bat,
your stomachsliced open and your entrails spilled out, and your eyeballs
rippedout of their sockets. I really hope that you get curb-stomped.
It’d be hilarious to see youbegging for help, and then someone stomps on
the back of your head,leaving you to die in horrible, agonizing pain.
STFU, before you get your face bashed in and cutto ribbons, and your
throat slit.

on
Limbaugh: We’re Supposed To Ignore Obama’s
Relationship To Rev. Wright, Yet Santorum Is Responsible For Friess? 2 hours ago
i’d love to smash your face in.

on Feds Arrest Man Plotting Capitol
Terrorist Attack 2 hours ago
f_ck off you dumb moron.

Link to this: http://disqus.com/johnt62555/

abortions are how PP makes it’s money

Then don’t go for an abortion in VA

You may feel abortion is murder, but I KNOW sticking that probe up someones vagina against her will IS rape.

I know Conservatives have a hard time reading and understanding what they read, let alone no one should be forced to undergo any medical procedure: This going to raise your taxes.

Do you
let your children eat Junk food (poison) IE:white sugar?

Children
don’t know any better. Someone should be protecting and looking out for them.
Obesity is at an all time high in the USA and the over weight people are
putting the biggest drain on are medical resources.

The war
on drug is no different than prohibition. It doesn’t work. That ended it
because the jails were full and people were drinking more than ever before
Sound familiar?

Border
Guards? Why? Do you want to build a wall 10 ft tall like they had in old
Berlin?

Bugger off.

Some call it white guilt. Racism just the same. When you inject color. Which you did. It sticks, and you wear it well.

 Actually, nobody should be forced to pay for your elected medical procedure. I know liberals have a hard time understanding that at all. But what a concept, huh?

Wow, I do feel that rape is MURDER, here is the definition of rape:

A criminal offense defined in most states as forcible sexual relations with a person against that person’s will.
Rape
is the commission of unlawful sexual intercourse or unlawful sexual
intrusion. Rape laws in the United States have been revised over the
years, and they vary from state to state.

So this is a sexual relation? Ask Bill Clinton.

Hmmmm. Is it unlawful? Hmmmm. Not if it is the law. Hmmmm. Isn’t that why abortion is not murder to a liberal? Because it is the law? Hmmmmm.

Meanwhile, Murder:

1.  transitive and intransitive verb kill somebody illegally: to kill another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law

2. transitive verb kill somebody brutally: to kill somebody with great violence and brutality

3.  transitive verb spoil something: to spoil something such as a song or a piece of writing by performing it badly or changing it

4. transitive verb defeat somebody completely: to defeat a person or team completely, especially in a sporting contest

5. 

transitive verb destroy something: to put an end to or destroy something

Notice numbers 2 and 5. As for #2, sucking the brains out of a fully developed fetus…Wow, does it fit?

And that some consider it MURDER, and that it just does not compute with you guys at all is astounding. They are just told to shut up essentially. And which definition of murder do you prefer? To further your cause?

 Women’s rights….Christian’s rights…what’s the difference there….100-watt bulb in a 25-watt lamp?

 Isn’t that what Obamacare is?

Government sanctioned rape….
Moneywise…. Isn’t that just what Obamacare is?

 You can’t be murdered unless you are born first. Has you ever read a gravestone?

—————————————————

Has I? Has I? Of course. But some feel that abortion is murder. But some feel that abortion is murder. But some feel that abortion is murder. But some feel that abortion is murder. But some feel that abortion is murder. But some feel that abortion is murder. But some feel that abortion is murder. And you don’t. So that is all that matters.

Which side do you like to err on? And this one little effort to stop what some believe is murder, you compromising liberals cannot even give concede? It astounds. You protect a tree, but abort a baby. Nice. Oh call it a fetus, it is so much easier.

Darr Darr said:
Religious-radical, right-wing nut-jobs are leading this country down the path to fascism; their ilk makes me wish there had been a few *more* abortions performed.

Fascism and it’s cousins deal  with taking life….not attempting to save life.
It seems that with your wanting more abortions…it is you who embraces Fascism.

To BJ Clinton, a BJ wasn’t even “sexual relations”, yet a medical procedure is rape? God, that just takes all.

And sucking a viable baby from the womb is not murder. Wow. Tell us more.

After your last pap smear, did you feel violated? Or that you had just had “sexual relations” against your will? LOL. Wow. Or did you get a prostate exam and feel violated? Unbelievable.

That you KNOW this, can you give us a first hand account? For your liberal listeners edification, of course.

But, don’t go in for your next pap smear then, donny. You just might feel violated afterwards. And no one forces an abortion on a woman against their will. Yet.

 I will always be your huckleberry.

Is ejaculation into a tissue murder?
Just wondering.

OK. just don’t be rude.

 But your huckleberry, just the same.

 Anything that could possibly protect the sanctity of life is just so sick, huh? How could anyone in their right mind find sucking viable babies brains out to be murder? We know that anyone in their leftist mind cannot. How Unfriggingbelievably tolerant. Huh?

Do you
let your children eat Junk food (poison) IE:white sugar?

Children
don’t know any better. Someone should be protecting and looking out for them.
Obesity is at an all time high in the USA and the over weight people are
putting the biggest drain on are medical resources.

The war
on drug is no different than prohibition. It doesn’t work. That ended it
because the jails were full and people were drinking more than ever before
Sound familiar?

Border
Guards? Why? Do you want to build a wall 10 ft tall like they had in old
Berlin?

“start to lose the women vote”  Obama crushed with women in 2008 and will do so again in 2012… 

 In response:

1. You can’t be a stay at home mom without already having kids. So either she can’t afford the kid or you’re implying that she doesn’t want more kids. She can get her tubes tied.

2. So children that are imperfect shouldn’t be born?

These are the scenarios you’re implying?

You might want to ask the Catholic Church that.

The Church has its issues, but the BC mandate should not be one. This is a slipper slope for future mandates on religious institutions.

Don’t use a word, “fascism”, when you obviously have no understanding of its meaning. A big mouth attached to a a small brain is a dangerous thing.

No.

Do you have a problem with the families of victims of those facing the death chamber as equally offensive?

Apparently, judging from your comments,you have a difficult time understanding much of anything.

I should never have to pay for such a public program. If you would like to start an organization, by all means go ahead and do so. I do not support such an initiative with my tax monies.

I could cut and paste cases where people have been charged and convicted with rape when they shoved plunger handles etc. into cavities against the persons will and we could go on and on.  Shoving a device into the vagina against a womens will IS rape and sucking out cells from the womb is not murder.  I will grant, after 1st trimester there needs to be a medical reason to suck out the mass of cells much like at the end of life whern it is deemed necessary to pull the plug.  Murder, no, if done within the law and for medical reasons.  I do not see pulling the plug on loved ones as murder.  You may.  I don’t.  (Though with that being said, I do see capital punishment as murder.  That may be within the law, but not medically necessary.)

I don’t want you replying to me anymore

P.S.
No one is asking you to pay for it. You pay your taxes and congress decides where taxpayer dollars go. You are free to tell your representatives your wishes, but that is the extent of it. Now shut it, and go back to watching your downloaded videos from Pirate Bay.

 12voltman1 said:
What does that have to do with forcing a woman to undergo a unnecessary  medical procedure?

Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. If a woman CHOOSES to kill her baby she must AGREE to the procedure.
If she CHOOSES to let her baby live she does not have to AGREE to the procedure.
You wanted choice…you got choice.

Adolph H. and Mussolini were both facists.
Are you telling me they didn’t deal in death?
A big mouth lacking any brain is Armageddon.

How much you paying mediaite? Nothing! So you must be a liberal then. No logic in your comment.

You could move to Ireland or the Vatican City in Europe where abortion is outlawed, or a number of countries in South America who had Catholicism imposed on them by conquistador,s who often raped and enslaved the indigenous populations in the name of Jesus.

Otherwise, keep working on the “personhood” amendments in southern U.S. states, with their rich heritage of plantations and Judeo-Christian values.

The above from Eddy epitomizes the vast research a liberal does before posting an in-depth response rife with confirmation addendum..
Translation: This is all they got.

 Please elaborate on your assertion….Eddy boy.
Post an example or two.
Do you have difficulty in understanding that?

Forced Transvaginal Ultrasound = Rape with a Foreign Object. 

You want a first-hand account? Here you go:

The transvaginal transducer or ”wand” that is inserted into the vagina for the ultrasound is much larger (in both length and circumferance) than the Q-tip-like probe that is used for a pap smear.

Likewise, the procedure for pap smear is a quick in and out - usually less than 30 seconds to obtain the specimen, while the transvaginal ultrasound requires the technician to constantly move the wand around until a series of images are obtained. The amount of time the wand is in the vagina being manipulated by the technician depends on a lot of variables, but, if all goes well it is usually about 15 to 30 minutes.  

or Romneycare……..

PP does abortions or provides referals which is it? There isn’t any money in a referal is there?

Sometime ago I made a decision now I regret my decision and I am glad their making laws to take these decisions away from everyone because government knows better than me and everyone else.

Really? Keep up your comedy routine.

Same reason I find it creepy that anyone would or should concern themselves with what goes on between a person and their doctor and what treatment is given. A classic case of “mind your own business” if I ever saw one.

They killed living, breathing  people. A fetus does not breathe on its own. If a fetus dies is a death certificate issued? No!

You are like playing with an untrained, house wetting puppy. I was a boy in ’67 when I was in Vietnam, boy!

1. Your assuming you have a right to tell that person what to do with their life.
2. Your making a blanket statement on someones life and the quality it should have by having a dependent nonfunctional life into existence which may or may not also be dependent on the governmental system if that person doesn’t have the resources. Again answer 1. applies.

 I don’t think they are taking the decision away, anyone can still get an abortion…but from my experience, which I realize is irrelevant to you….seeing that tiny life would have perhaps made a difference to me and stopped me from having an abortion. Because abortion substantially increases the risk of breast cancer (my identical twin sister has breast cancer and had 2 abortion when she was young) and effects infertility, we both struggled with infertility, I regret my decision, period.  Many, many other women do as well.  That is all I am saying.  The “government” isn’t stopping anyone from having an abortion, but in having women have this ultrasound perhaps less women will have abortions…..isn’t this what everyone says that want, left and right, less abortion??

I am assuming you are against government mandated health care.  I only said what I said, 1. because Tommy Christopher is a man and kind of annoying 2. Having that ultrasound may prevent someone from having an abortion that they will regret for the rest of their lives and the possible consequences of that abortion…breast cancer, infertility.  Nope, I wasn’t forced to do anything during IVF, but I had IVF because of an abortion.  My identical twin sister has breast cancer and had 2 abortions.  One of the known risk factors for breast cancer is abortion.

Never said I was a republican.  From my experience, which I realize is irrelevant to you….seeing
that tiny life would have perhaps made a difference to me and stopped me
from having an abortion. Because abortion substantially increases the
risk of breast cancer (my identical twin sister has breast cancer and
had 2 abortion when
she was young) and effects infertility, we both
struggled with infertility, I regret my decision, period.  Many, many
other women do as well.  That is all I am saying.  The “government”
isn’t stopping anyone from having an abortion, but in having women have
this ultrasound perhaps less women will have abortions…..isn’t this
what everyone says that want, left and right, less abortion??

Again your choosing and making a judgement for another person and what is right for her as opposed to you.
As far as the Catholic Church its about the limitations imposed on nonfaith individuals in a nonChurch environment and how those limitations go against the laws of the land and an individuals personal rights. It is not a conspiracy to further degrade any religion.

 I think you should have included “insultin” in you bio description.  I guess cause I mentioned I would pray for someone and my way of looking at the world is different from you that insulting me was the way to go….so be it.  From my experience, which I realize is irrelevant to you….seeing that tiny life would have perhaps made a difference to me and stopped me from having an abortion.  Because abortion substantially increases the risk of breast cancer (my identical twin sister has breast cancer and had 2 abortions when she was young) and effects infertility, we both
struggled with infertility, I regret my decision, period.  Many, many
other women do as well.  That is all I am saying.  The “government”
isn’t stopping anyone from having an abortion, but in having women have
this ultrasound perhaps less women will have abortions…..isn’t this
what everyone says that want, left and right, less abortion??

Dr. ikonag….I imagine women will get a 2nd doctors opinion about your facts!

Yeah he scored a fail. Yours was a fail to as are all the insults you have been posting. Bringing his mother into it should make you ashamed of yourself if you took responsibility for choosing to be vile.
“Liberals don’t take or want responsibility for their actions” I’m a Republican and I could write a book on how the Party won’t take responsibility for it actions of late.  

A temporary law which will be reversed by popular demand and another waste of time by big salary gov’t officials who can’t resolve real issues.

 Forced? No body forces anything. Don’t want one? Don’t elect to have one. No one forces one upon anyone, just like no one forces abortions, silly.

But I noticed you sourced, nothing. Interesting.

Rape is considered sexual in nature. According to the definition. If you find medical procedures sexual, perhaps you need a life?

Some of us consider abortion murder. I guess we are even in the assaults of our sensibilities. You feel raped, we feel you murder babies. Feel better now?

 Let me guess that you are under the age of 50 and have never had either a sigmoidoscopy short tube or a colonoscopy long tube shoved up your nether regions. This procedure is nothing like the normal ultrasound where they put the jelly on the belly and move it around. This procedure is tantamount to the male equivalent of having a candle shoved up your arse without you consenting to such a procedure. Idiot.

Mediaite why do posts find their own location at times instead of where you intend?

 A normal ultrasound yes. But I can guarantee you that YOU would not be OK with a Doctor showing a candle up your anus without your consent. That is what this new law allows, a tool to be shoved up a woman’s vagina without her consent. If this thing happened to your daughter, I can tell you that you would be the first to call this forcible rape with a non-human instrument.

Frabricate a new truth works for the republican Tea Party huh?

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 God help you if your daughter ever has an ectopic pregnancy. In which without the “life of the woman’s health” also being an exemption in your twisted mind would force both the female and the fetus that will grow large enough to end both the woman’s as well as the fetus’ life.

Think of an ectopic pregnancy like having a growth in your windpipe. As it grows it gradually cuts of the flow of air to your lungs. You will stop breathing and die.

Yeah I know, being a conservative is a twisted ideology to fall back on.. How backward.

Do you wonder that every time you do it or just from now on?

Just like you don’t have a problem being the cause of the unwanted pregnancy.

 Because it can kill her you dunce. Ectopic Pregnancy’s. As well as many other reasons. Google them.

 You don’t allow an exemption for the “life of the woman”

True story..A former roommate of mine had a step-aunt that she had found a lump on her breast. The Doctors said it was nothing just a cyst..She got pregnant and by the third month the “cyst” had indeed grown into fast moving breast cancer. She had a choice to abort and start Chemo & Radiation and save her life…Or try and hold out till the 7th month and hope that the cancer hadn’t spread to much and deliver the baby by C-Section and start Chemo & Radiation ASAP.

Which one would you choose?

 Perhaps you should defer in your judgement regarding Breast Cancer and Abortion to the American Cancer Society. They have found that there is NO link in the increase of Breast Cancer and Abortion. However they have found a link to Breast Cancer and carrying a fetus to term.

So, if you’re sister is being beaten to within a hair breadths of her life by her abusive husband, while he’s rapeing her against her will, you’d not help your sister get the morning after pill if she asked you?

Oh, I know. You’re a repub. You’d probably sit her down, put a cold cloth on her blackened eyes & split lip, pat her on the shoulder and say, now, now sister dear, don’t you fret, it’s not all that bad.. 

“I am assuming you are against government mandated health care.  I only said what I said, ”

Yes I am against the individual mandate in the Affordable Care Act. 

“1. because Tommy Christopher is a man and kind of annoying ”

This is subjective. He may feel the same way about you. 

“2. Having that ultrasound may prevent someone from having an abortion that they will regret for the rest of their lives and the possible consequences of that abortion…breast cancer, infertility. ”

So…that gives you the RIGHT to force them? What will you do next? Force people (using govt) to eat vegetables every dinner time because they otherwise would not know that eating burgers daily is detrimental to their health?  What is the difference? Why do you assume that every woman who wants an abortion has not “thought it through”? What you are doing is imposing YOUR morality on others. It has nothing to do with you “caring” for those people’s emotional well being 20 years down the road. What if they do not want your imposition on their lives. Nobody is forcing YOU to have an abortion. 

“Nope, I wasn’t forced to do anything during IVF, but I had IVF because of an abortion.”

Thank you for proving my point. Your actions and decisions were not coerced. Why do you want to coerce other people’s decisions using big brother?

“My identical twin sister has breast cancer and had 2 abortions.  One of the known risk factors for breast cancer is abortion. ”

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Scientifically false! Abortion does not cause cancer.
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/BreastCancer/MoreInformation/is-abortion-linked-to-breast-cancer

This is a shame, the liberals now want to be in your vagina.  Liberals didn’t stay out of the bedroom or the doctors office.  

Nobody is attacking women’s rights. 

Breathe in and Breath out. Now think. 

Is abortion outlawed in America? Nope. Do women have access to BCP, condoms, sterilization? Yep. 

If, to get an abortion, to have that device inserted to ascertain life…is that invasive? Not nearly as invasive as the thing that’s put through your cervix (ok, you don’t have one, but I do) to widen it and suck out the growing life within. Trust me. This isn’t invasive. As women, we have annual checkups, feet in stirrups and legs wide…speculum to widen the vaginal canal to see everything inside. Thats invasive. 

Shut your face. Close your mouth. You know not what you are talking about. 

Tommy is trying to make an issue out of nothing. 

 I got that also.
Barack must be fiddling with the Internet switch again.
He’s such a bozo.

 No thanks on the Vatican offer….i prefer to stay here and keep you and your ilk from turning America into a third world country.
I am not a Catholic but I will stand up for them when they are slighted.
Catholicism has nothing to do with rape. People rape…and some of them claim to be Catholics…or Christians.
Real ones don’t.
To assert that is like saying Occupiers rape. Some do….but not all and not because they are occupiers.
The plantations are in government now with their welfare enslavement programs…not in the south….and Obama has converted more Americans into slavery than any past President with his destruction of private sector jobs and “creation” of aimless union  government jobs.
Judeo-Christian values are outlined in The Bible and although not all Christians follow them perfectly…they are the only values worth pursuing.
That’s just the way it is…whether you like it or agree or not.

 So if it doesn’t breath on it’s own….KILL IT?
What about people on respirators?
What about people being operated on and being assisted with breathing?
That’s just nuts.
On the death certificate…..there isn’t a birth certificate issued either.
Certificates comes from government (Man)….life comes from God.
BTW….Obama doesn’t have a real birth certificate either….What do you suggest we do with him?

I give great wedgies…Don’t I?

If left up to the likes of Santorum it would not be allowed at all! Your right to choose would no longer exsist. I’m truly sorry it didn’t work out perfectly for you however my sister would have died from a preclamptic condition. Sadly she had to make a decision as a Christian to live or die having a child that might not live. If the child had lived it would have had the stigma of its mother having died in child birth. I told her that her exsistance in my life was more important to me than a zygote when she asked. It is not for government to decide or another person to decide what is best for a free individual. It is up to that individual to decide for themselves and live with the responsibility of the decision made. Given the difficulty of the decision gov’t or extremists and their desires should not subject an intelligent person to an unnecessary procedure. It is adding insult to an already exsisting injury of making that decision. If the procedure is necessary again it is between the doctor and the patient. It is not up to Santorum and his ilk specially in lite of his questionable history with it!

 Wrong comparison,most Conservative men seem to like things shoved up their ass.Discretely,of course.

WOW!!
This is a great tool for Obama to issue to all TSA inspectors.
Maybe that would shut the liberals up since they enjoy invasive procedures at the airport.

Andy I think you misdirected your reply. Jayson posted a question and then indicated reasons in response to it and WCinWI. I’m sure he is in agreement with you on this issue. 

All of your examples were people that, at one time, were able to breathe on their own. Births were also recorded in church Bibles which is not the government. No wonder you are so irrational, you actually believe in a magical being existing somewhere in the great beyond. Birth certificate? Ask The Donald who spent thousands proving it’s existence and have it authenticated. But since you, like a child, only believe in fairy tales, nothing factually exists in you ownr little world.

Makes no sense care to elaborate?

Another post 9/11 Bush creation, the airport
body search, blamed on Obama. Grow up little girl.

All the idea of a Republican governor, Republican senate, and a Republican house in the Republican state of Virginia.

If you don’t know the answer you blame Obama. Blame yourself for being unable to think without assistance of Limbaugh, Hannity, or Fox.

 Put the bottle down.Lush.

There is also a doctor to see the jobs of the same subjects of the same hospital in a variety of site. This site is a site survey of physicians Tenshoku consultant was working at the company introduce specialist physician,
http://ishi-tenshoku-hikaku.net

Funny how you can take my question to Mediaite and turn it into a bashing of the President. Your obviously a passenger on the Republican Tea Party crazy train.

Your going fishing with the wrong bait. Nice try and fail.

Eddy you know the method if you create a falsehood and repeat it over and over someone will believe! Lol!

How did you not get on the GOP ticket?  You are a natural.

So you speak for every woman who has had an abortion or wants one? It would be nice if we lived in a world where our own experiences and desires ruled the day, but we don’t. You are no different than someone who embraces a particular god and now expects everyone else to share your belief, it doesn’t work that way. Another motto you may want to follow is individual choice.

You have been listening to Sen. Jon (“not intended to be factual statement”) Kyl a little too much. Try again.

Why don’t you ask Rick Santorum and his wife? 

But, I heard it was a liberal idea.  

FROTH SUPPORT LAW.  WOMEN HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH BODY.  ITS GODS BODY NOT WOMANS.

 Yes we already know your light is not so bright.

lol…you guys are not serious are you?

“Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. If a woman CHOOSES to kill her baby she must AGREE to the procedure.If she CHOOSES to let her baby live she does not have to AGREE to the procedure.You wanted choice…you got choice. ”

The very issue is a woman choosing to get an abortion is not agreeing to have a humiliating unneccessary procedure done to her. The State of Virginia is making her.

You are right.
It’s irrelevant to me.

Good point.
On a grave stone. What does it say?
You have to be born before you can die.

No, But I’m sure that what you will be thinking from now on.

It’s OK. Hopefully you are a adult now. You don’t need the government help you make personal decisions anymore.

 This should post under Thalia.
 Do you understand the part that a Fetus is not a baby. A baby has taken it’s first breath. If you want to think a fetus as a baby then it can only begin about 6  months along when the fetus become viable. Costly but viable. That’s when you see or hear about “preemies”, the bill for having these children on respirators for several months can be staggering, the reason being is that they hadn’t had full lung function prior to birth. This will cost thousand of dollars. Something the poor won’t be able to pay for until they have insurance.

Just in case you weren’t aware of the fact the leading abortion provider during the first 5 months, is someone Santorum won’t be able to jail since it’s God/Allah/Yahweh.

Sure you did and the sun rises in the West.

I am pleased you found it humorous

yeah, and you didnt read the thread from the begininng where he took a shot at my mom first 

So let me get this straight. Rachel Maddow is opposed to the government intruding on healthcare when it disrupts a woman having an abortion, but she’s an advocate for a government-run single payer system that will have the government intruding on every aspect of healthcare for every American? How ridiculous. And, honestly, (and I know I’m gonna catch hell from a lot of women for this) what’s the big deal about the vaginal probe anyway? I mean, if you’re having an abortion, aren’t you going to be inserted w something somewhere along the line anyway? Seriously, it’s a doctor. Not just some random dude off the street. How is this different from any routine checkup w your ob?

And now, let the feminists commence their attacks…

Clearly,the State of Virginia Republicans want to insert themselves into women’s vaginas.

Perverts

To booboo bear: I just have to disagree w you in your assessment of a baby not being a viable life until it can take its first breath. My wife is pregnant w our first child. We had a doctors appt at 8 weeks where we were able to hear the baby’s heartbeat. I’m not one that anyone who knows me would call a softy or the emotional type, but that was an amazing moment. And if you read these baby books out there that explain what’s happening week by week I just don’t see how anyone could not appreciate the miracle of life that is growing inside my wife’s or any woman’s belly.

Pro-lifers aren’t about denying rights to women. That’s such a dishonest argument to make. They are about protecting the rights of the unborn baby w a beating heart 8 weeks after conception

Thomas Jefferson warned the people of this repeatedly.

“A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.”

Giving government more power than is allowed by the constitution leads to slippery, slippery slope. And I know that this particular issue is a state issue, not federal, but the rule still applies. We’ve developed a sense among our citizenry that government knows best. And that is a bipartisan concept of there ever was one. Dems want big government. GOP wants big gov. They just differ in how to apply it.

Wake up, people. Tell the government to get out of our doctors offices, our bedrooms, our wallets, our education. Vote Ron Paul in 2012.

They provide abortions and referals for other preventative tests….look it up.

Romneycare has been in effect for years…not paid for by American taxpayers….are you happy having to pick up the tab for millions of illegals & their millions of anchor babies, I’m not!

My granddaughters are tall, thin, healthy tweens. We all look out for them…taught them about “healthy food” when they were very small. And yes they occassionally eat white sugar & candy..but much prefer grapes & “cutie” tangerines. And none of this is the business of government. Why not limit what can be bought with food stamps? Control those on the government dole….

The government doesn’t want to stop the war on drugs or it would have been done decades ago.

I don’t really care how they close the border….the most effective might be our military on the border with orders to sh** t on sight, no exceptions. Then strict interior enforcement…not all illegals just came to work. An obvious example is the terrorist arrested in DC this week, in our country illegally for 12 years wanting to blow up the Capitol.

Check out an article I wrote on birth control two years ago: 

http://thesocialmatrix.blogspot.com/2010/04/lets-talk-about-sex.html 

Check out an article I wrote on birth control two years ago: 

http://thesocialmatrix.blogspot.com/2010/04/lets-talk-about-sex.html 

Check out an article I wrote on birth control two years ago: 

http://thesocialmatrix.blogspot.com/2010/04/lets-talk-about-sex.html 

“People rape…and some of them claim to be Catholics…or Christians.”

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Pretty good!

Have you ever heard of something so stupid…that it makes you feel stupid responding to it?    Your comment is just that.

If not for the government stepping into the Jim Crow south, we would be drinking water fountains there marked, “White and Colored Only”…If not for the government stepping in, the Auto Industry would have collapsed and thousands would have been out of work…losing their pensions…and their IRAs.     Whenever the country was in trouble, the government had the good sense to support it’s millions of citizens.    It’s only when government officials use the government to pass their twisted ideologies that go against the Constitution, for instance;   forcing women to go through an unnecessary procedure, and forcing their doctor as well to perform it, goes against the rights of citizens and their doctors.     There is nothing you can say to justify this blatant act by the GOP…and it smells as foul as any government official attempting to turn our set of laws into some form of Taliban Republic.    If you object to government intrusion, you should have as much contempt for this new law as most Americans do right now.    Saying it’s the Dems and the GOP only hide this latest outrage by the GOP.    First it was voter restriction laws bringing back the Jim Crow era, now it’s an intrusion into the private parts of women, as though it was the 18th century.   The GOP is obviously tired of living in the 21st century, perhaps they should travel back there, and leave the rest of us alone.

Yup thats justification…….

I was interpolating what Guest said. Thought the sarcasim was apparent. Maybe not……

Please note that the Jim Crow laws were themselves the product of state governments. It wasn’t just legal to discriminate in the south, it was state mandated.

So you oppose the war on drugs because prohibition fails, but support a war on sugar? Might want to figure out if you are for or against prohibitions. And I’m pretty sure that crystal meth is worse for you than sugar.

The wall in Berlin was to keep people in, not out.

You have a point, but the issue is that no one has an abortion against her will, but women in Virginia are now mandated to undergo (and pay for?) an invasive procedure that they don’t seek. If that’s not Big Government, what is?

The business of government is to protect it’s citizens from harm…they do this by insuring we have an adequate police force and military.    They also insure it by providing regulations to give our citizens information on health so that our country can compete with the rest of the world.    If they want a healthy America, they will promote a healthy America.    Regardless of your thin children, the obesity rate among our young is staggering.   That’s the reason why regulations have banned many trans fats and so on.    Without government intervention, the retailers would put a multitude of products out there for the purpose of constant intake to sell their products and to keep them viable.    There is nothing wrong with government looking out for their citizens.    And your suggestion to shoot people on sight would only effect the majority of  immigrants who are unarmed men, women and children who come across the border to find work.    The few drug dealers that are out there carry large arsenals (bought probably by greedy American smugglers from Texas) usually shoot back.

There is definitely hypocrisy galore on the invasive government issue among liberals AND conservatives.

My apologies.

I’m am not advocating for any laws against sugar. A big difference.
Eat all the sugar you wish. The average American consumes 75 lbs of sugar a year. Are you among them?

Tell us all. Please continue..

You have lots of love for your fellow man.Huh?

Lie!

Read what is written on the Statue of Liberty. A tenent that has been a principle of this great country. I imigrated to this country with my family at 4yrs of age and became a naturalized citizen. I can respect their drive for a better life. I have no need to kick them when they are down. Are you saying you should have greater rights as a human being than those down trodden and refuse to help them? How compationate are you? Obamacare was originated by Republicans and has been vilified by The Republican Tea Party because of the hatred of the President nothing more! Are you saying you would rather see everyone sick and possibly spreading a contagion? The God I know wants me to help those less fortunate. Since God is a driving force of the Republican Tea Party shouldn’t that be a Party desire or is money the true God of New Republican Tea Party?

Abortion is not outlawed in America, but conservatives have tried every trick in the book to stop women from asserting that right.    They have attempted to defund organizations like Planned Parenthood….they have attempted to close many abortion clinics if they didn’t meet certain specifications of their facility (knowing full well that the specifications are completely unreasonable)…they have made laws to force women to watch an ultrasound of an abortion….and now this final outrage.    If you feel that an annual vaginal exam is intrusive, then you should be completely appalled by a medically ”unnecessary” intrusion, that is forced (unlike an annual exam) on the woman and forced on the doctor as well.    As for BCPs, there are Congressmen who are seeking to allow employers to “disallow” the funding of these needed forms of contraception through their health plans.    The same services that men get “unquestionably” through their insurance; Viagra and vacsectomies, they want women denied.    And women like you give them the “teeth” to do it.    You remind me of that idiot who was running for POTUS…Cain.    The guy that said African Americans are all brainwashed (bet that went over well)…there’s always one in the bunch.    The American revolutionaries had the tories….we have you and people like the pizzaman.

If there is no medical reason to perform the procedure, why would you perform it?    This new intrusion on the woman is to humiliate her and attempt to change her mind about an abortion.    The GOP would never have promoted it if it was an unnecessary probe prior to getting Viagra.     This is an issue that the GOP are promoting that will backfire on them….just like the contraceptive argument that was resolved long ago and have been renewed again in the 21st century.    It is RAPE because it’s an intrusion that is being forced on a woman for non-medical reasons.    Ridiculous laws like these will do nothing but bring women back in the alleys of the 1950s.    If Obama made this law, you and your conservative buddies would be totally outraged.    You would say that this is a file act against our mothers, sisters and children.    And for once in your conservative lives…you’d be right.

No harm. I’m a fan of your postings and points of view. A pleasure to read. You’d probably be surprised to know I am a old school Centrist Republican. I refuse to board the Republican Tea Party crazy train and expect to go Independent soon. I had hoped common sense would return to the Party but that won’t happen soon. Its one think to be supportive of big business when it is returned its another thing to give them your soul and get nothing back other than their crying poverty while making incredible profits. The RTP has done just that and forgotten the true meaning of freedom and patriotism while wearing a flag pin and stepping on individual rights. Sorry for the long intro….

The ultrasound is not for the benefit of the woman, it’s for the benefit of politics and the Pro-Lifers.    When a woman decides to give up her child for adoption, medical staff don’t usually show the patient an ultrasound of the birth.    Generally, all ties to the parent are severed to avoid complications.    This is just one more step in the conservative ideology to fight against Roe vs Waye.    The contraception hearings are an example of a one-sided picture you were talking about, especially since “no one” in opposition to the statements of the bishops were even allowed to speak.    Congressman Issa used this “one-sided” argument to foster his own agenda.     The  GOP in many states has also signed on to a “Personage Bill” that will eliminate contraception altogether (including all of the GOP presidential candidates).     The Personage bill has been defeated by the public in many states…but the GOP continue to assume this is a winning hand.     Don’t use this topic to make it seem that all of government is pushing you around….like in the voter restriction laws (or Jim Crow as it was called in the 60s), the only party quilty is the GOP wing of the government.     And they continue to attempt blocking jobs, and infrastructure bills to their peril for 2012.

You mean that for your children not to be yanked off coverage if they get too sick is the same as forcing a woman to have a probe for non-medical reasons?     I know you may not like what you call OBAMACARE (which is only the successful ROMNEYCARE), but to think that forcing your doctor to perform an act that he knows is for no medical reason is the same thing is quite a stretch.     And exactly what is it about the republican health care plan you call OBAMACARE you object to anyway?    Is it the way your children will be protected…is it the way you will be protected, even if you lose your job?    Would it have been easier if an actual republican proposed the idea in the first place; like Newt Gingrich did in the 90s to oppose what Hilliary Clinton wanted..and what Mitt Romney actually did because it was a republican plan?    Does a democratic face on a republican health care plan make that much of a difference?     I would have liked a democratic idea like SURE PAY better, but I don’t understand why conservatives don’t like this conservative idea.     If Obama said “Let’s give more tax breaks to the rich,”   I think conservatives would STILL have a problem with it.   LOL

Don’t see how you equate the her last 2 sentences with her wanting someone else to pay for it! That seems to be your montra with nothing to substantiate your claim.

So as long as the republicans never regain power then you are safe! Which is my whole point, the government is going into areas where it does not belong, I can tell you as a manager that the open enrollment that most employees of corporations go through each year is a way that employers balance the cost of employment into their pricing and costs structure. Now the government is taking that away from them by prescribing a very comprehensive benefits package that will be provided by law… what do you think that the consequences will be? Possibly higher rates of unemployment? More stressful conditions on the job as even more productivity is demanded of employees to cover the costs? Possibly higher prices on everything we purchase and consume with no compensating adjustment in our wages?

Like I said, don’t think that when you give the government power such as this that you will agree with the long term effects, as power shifts hands, but the government hardly ever concede powers that it has gained.

The reason Romney put the so-called ROMNEYCARE in place is because of rising health care costs in Massachusetts.    Romney was the first governor to use this conservative idea which no one in the GOP objected to (including the mandate).    But because a liberal president promoted it, and for political reasons, their money has put out an incredible spin about it.   No one would even believe that the whole health care mandate was a republican idea.    The POTUS has alot more to take care of than a state…he has an entire nation.    Most people have health care, and those who don’t are causing  health care costs for everyone else to rise at a tremendous rate.    Why you would object to everyone being covered to bring those costs down is puzzling.     The whole concept of this plan is based on the auto insurance world; costs rise because everyone riding a car is not covered.    The same thing occurs when everyone who uses medical care (and they will) are not covered.    But because of GOP spin, (and FOX News), conservatives are on the bandwagon to hate the health care reform bill…even though it is a conservative idea.     It’s as puzzling as an episode of the Twilight Zone.

The reason why women get abortions to begin with is none of your business.    According to the Constitution, abortions are legal in the CONUS.    What every American should be concerned about is the GOP wing of government forcing your mother, sister or daughter to have a procedure that is not even medically necessary…and forcing your doctor to do it against his will.    If conservatives are serious about limited government, why would they take that attitude in a woman’s private parts?   Making an analogy about babies being an intrusion is weak.   It is natural to make a baby, more natural than a doctor being “forced” to perform a procedure that neither they, nor the patient wants…except in a Taliban regime, or a Dr Frankenstein movie.  

How in God’s name are you okay with a procedure that neither the patient, nor the doctor wants to perform?    A procedure that is not even medically necessary?    Are you that conservative that you will give “teeth” to these political fools who want to turn back the hands of time in order to control women?    A bill has been introduced in many GOP states to outlaw all forms of contraception (the Personage Bill), which every GOP presidential candidate has signed on for…and I guess you’re okay with that too?    The Republican Blunt Bill has also been pushed in Congress to allow your employer to refuse paying for your treatment if he/she has moral convictions against it…and, wait, don’t tell me, you’re for that crap as well.    Fortunately, most women aren’t FOR IT and will make the GOP pay for this insolense in November.

OK so I look it up. PP’s abortions consist of 3% of its services and brings in 15% of its revenue. Along with private donations it pays for itself. You are not paying for it since tax payer money is not used for it by law. The added revenue is also used for other services benifical to womens health and there right to choose those services. I assume you believe that’s a bad thing to do because you don’t believe their right to choose should be a private matter.

Your asuming women seeking an abortion are ignorant and not fully informed about the proceedure they are intending to have. Your assuming the medical staff are incompetent in doing their job. Somewhat disingenuous to think so.

It doesn’t bother retards like Maddow and Christopher when the Big Sis bitch frisks us at airports.   Why not a vagina, if either of the above has one?

John. Maybe the reason women are “mandated” now, is to offset the psychological effects of killing your offspring. It is big government. Its not the thing I condone. 

We (women and girls) are raised in this atmosphere of “We can have it all”…”We can choose”. “Its our life”.  And, for many females, those statements are absolutely true, and for so many others, its just an ideal. 

The babies are not the enemy. But, when women choose to kill their unborn, they make a move against nature. If we, as a culture, would address sexuality with thought, there wouldn’t be “accidents”. 

Jamgrae. I remind you of a person you believe to be an idiot…And yet you reply…I’m wondering why. You are soooo smart aren’t you? 
Vasectomies aren’t completely covered by insurance. BCP are for females to prevent pregnancy so they can give themselves up to any man that is interested. 

Birth Control Pills were developed for men. 

Margaret Sanger was (ok, she founded Planned Parenthood-look it up online) the child of a mother who had been pregnant about 22 times (if memory serves). 11 survived. Those would be babies. 

Her father became an advocate for what she was trying to achieve at that time, but he was the man who repeatedly impregnated his wife. Over, and Over and Over. 

 There is an old joke. About the ryethem method…That people who practice it, become parents…If you UNDERSTAND, that women are fertile for a very short term in her cycle, children can be planned successfully. A calendar helps. Worked for me. 

Z

Jamgrae, I’m really replying to another post of yours-

“They (the government) also insure it by providing information to give our citizens information on health so that our country can compete with the rest of the world.” You said that. 

Its complete bullshit. And if you are trusting the government for your health information, you are a fool…Of course. I’m an idiot.

Finally. America doesn’t have to “compete” with the rest of the world, concerning health care…We lead the way with treatment, innovation, whatever…You name it. America is the frontier. Still. 

And, healthcare, technically, Is Not the business of government. 

Actually I don’t care if this plan is Democrat or Republican, for my 50 years of voting I vote for the person, not the party. Obamacare was written behind closed doors with obvious “underhanded” deals then Pelosi said the bill had to be passed before the American people could find out what was in it. This is not how it is suppose to work in the USA. What I oppose the most is the free healthcare provided for illegal aliens, the 3.8% Federal tax (that begins Jan 2013) on any house bought or sold, the non-medical panel that will say what healthcare one receives which is detemined by age, with 16 to 40 yr olds receiving the best medical care because of their value. The federal government has no business in the healthcare field, check the Constitution. Much to your surprise, I am pro-choice and do not think this is a good bill in Va.

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I do believe in pro-choice….I don’t believe PP should be federally subsidized, which it is. Look at the salaries of the PP executives.

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I am not compassionate when I have to choose the future of my country and illegal aliens….taxpayers cannot support 11 million illegal aliens and their millions of anchor babies. The Statue of Liberty does not promote illegal activity. You are free to support anyone you choose..just don’t use my tax dollars to support criminals.

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Love for man stops when the future of my country is a stake….

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Actually the the Constitution gives us Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness…not free healthcare. If you believe the government’s job is to protect us from harm then why aren’t our borders closed? Neither party will do this….

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No problems. I’m alway happy to met a new acquaintance!
Hi.

and Timothy McVeigh ?

Well said.

Behind closed doors? That is how all bills are written.
 Do you think there is a video camera taping every bill while being written or hammered out before being presented in Congress? The Republicans did not want to even work with the Dem’s on the health care bill. They were invited.They declined. It was their choice.

That’s the answer. If you live in VA and you need an abortion but don’t have the means to travel to a different state.Too bad. But if you have the money and can afford it. No problem.
Class warfare!

OR take personal responsibility and keep your legs together…rape is a different story, should be free

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Had you paid attention during the debaucle of getting this bill passed you would understand…..obviously you are just someone that just yells about things…so never mind you’ll never understand

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And if you think a wall will keep a determined human from doing what they want to do is alittle naive…don’t you think Richardson?    Whether to keep people in, or out has never stopped our government from getting information through that wall.   You can build all the walls you want on the border, but if people want to get in (and employers want them in) they will find a way to enter.    FYI only.

Whether BCPs were developed for men or not isn’t the issue is it?    Women use them, infact, 98% of all women have used, or are using them in the 21st century (this includes 68% of Catholic women).   Vacsectomies ARE covered by most insurance companies, infact, many procedures for men ARE covered.   Referencing Margaret Sanger,  Van Gogh cut off his own ear, but that didn’t make what he gave to the world of art bad…did it?    I’m sure that you can find human flaw in any new innovator that has ever come along, but the central reality of what I was saying is that the GOP are attempting to “do away” with all forms of birth control through the so-called Personage Bill….that’s a fact.     The only question should be how much government intervention into the “private parts of women” are you prepared to take….alot I suppose by your comments.     And replying to you is like replying to a temporary annoyance…no big deal.

Plainscary…you remind me alot of a Tory.    The Tories were people who, inspite of  American Revolutionaries like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, thought the old way of  Brittish Colonialisn was the right way.    They fought tooth and nail to prevent the American Revolution and thus, most Americans don’t even remember them.    You could not convince these tories that progress was the way to go and they held on to their beliefs.    The only ones who think babies are the “enemy” are conservatives like you who are  so “concerned” about embryotic gel, but are spiteful when the mother has the child and can’t support it….I can hear them now, “MY TAX DOLLARS SHOULDN’T GO FOR A BIT OF WELFARE FOR THOSE NO GOOD MOTHERS.”    Yet, never a brow is raised when welfare for the rich (tax breaks) are pushed.     Tell me, how do people re-address sexuality when many of them don’t even believe that the first African American president even is a citizen?

But Jack…there has always been government intervention…in most things in our daily lives.    Sure, it’s state government that says we must have insurance to drive..but it all comes from the top…the Federal Government.   The United States is ingrained in the philosophy of the government..that’s the way we in America choose to live, inspite of what Ron Paul says.    We participate in voting each year to insure that our candidate gets to run things.    It’s not always easy since someone will be disappointed…everytime.    The government is us, and we are the government.     Currently, the GOP are attempting to pull everyone back to the 50s with this non-issue, and nonsense.    Some say it’s because they don’t think they can beat Obama on the economy…who can tell?   But the GOP has shifted away from the economy and moved to conservative social issues.    I do know that with the republican Blunt Bill (that even John McCain signed onto)…the Personhood Bill (that many republican governors have attempted to push to ban abortions and all contraceptives)…and the attack on Planned Parenthood by the republican Congress, it appears that the repubulicans ARE in a War on Women.    If they don’t want to “appear” in that light…they shouldn’t wear the uniform. 

“No one is attacking women’s rights?”   And I thought that the right of an abortion was in the Constitution…and that it was settled law.    Is that not an attack on women’s rights?    Maybe all the conservative talk about Planned Parenthood and the negative spin you’ve heard has confussed you into believing that abortion is not legal…it is per the laws of the land.    Those who attack it are attacking women’s rights…isn’t that logical?  

ROMNEYCARE has been in effect for years…with no conservative objections.    OBAMACARE is no difference than the mandated ROMNEYCARE except that it reaches a bigger clientele.     The main difference between the two is that a democrat is pushing OBAMACARE, and a republican has pushed ROMNEYCARE….but they are the same republican idea.    Perhaps you wouldn’t have objected if there was a republican face pushing OBAMACARE.   LOL

Abortion seems like a pretty invasive procedure.

I paid attention.
Apparently you have not.

OK got your perspective. “I refuse to help the unfortunate under any circumstance!” I also assume you don’t prescribe to Christian values.
Enough said then…….

Taking contraceptives or getting an abortion is taking personal responsibility. Its just not your choice of how to take that responsibility. You are making a judgement on how others should live there lives and claiming it costs you tax money when it does not. Making it more difficult by not getting it in VA is subjecting women to unneccessary travel just as the the procedure itself is unneccessary. It is nothing more than conflict creation and usurping individual rights by a small group of ineffective overpaid politicans seeking there agenda and not the will of the people and right to individual choice.

Lets do some talking Jamgrae.

Show me where in the Constitution abortion is mentioned. Its not there. Abortion isn’t there, in written form…why? 

Now, I’m thinking you are a man. I don’t give a shit how old you are. I have 3 very bright and wonderful children-two of them on the verge of adult hood…And I did have an abortion. 

It was an easy solution to my stupidity. That is exactly what abortion is…a clean fix. 

And you know, I’ve broadcasted this to the world now. . 

There is not an attack on “women’s rights”….trust me, we don’t need your help. We have all the access to “protection” we need.

How about YOU going to work handing out condoms that men won’t use? Get a vasectomy…and dont’ Start a life.  

I responded to Jamgrae again. 

If you are still following the thread, please pay attention.

I saw something else that provoked me to respond.

Are you black? It doesn’t matter to me. But this thing about the first African American elected President….You asked me, remember?

How does a black man affect the whole conversation? Does it really matter what color the baby is when you kill it? 

Not to me. But. to other people, abortion was a way to limit (I hope its only you and me talking now, because its just horrible.) There are people that think abortion is the way to limit and weed out undesirables in the population. 

I’m white. Mid 40′s, and never had a problem getting birthcontrol…I wasn’t careful when i was 18 and 19, but I know what it is like to take a piece of your soul and throw it into the fire. 

What we need to teach our children, is responsibility. I’ve done that so they don’t make my mistakes. 

You know, the thing about men.

They ought to be in bed waiting to please…Get out of the reproduction picture…We have it all figured out now. 

Girlfriends got it going on…Move along now. 

Jamgrae, I want to be humiliated…Just bring it bro. 

Boyfriend, not really paying attention to your posts, but stop calling people names…It doesn’t help the persuasion…aka…argument. 

Bring one in for the home team would you? Please. . 

Funny,I haven’t seen your posts regarding the Marxist,Communist,Socialist,Kenyan,Muslim,and various other degrading comments posted on a regular basis.Mom,was correct when she said don’t worry about someone else’s home team,go take care of your own,Please.Also,if you fail to see the intrusion of this piece of legislation,then it’s quite apparent which home team you support,and you may wish to re-read the article.

What’s the matter, nothing intelligent to say?

What in h*** are you ranting about now?  Who asked you about the first African American President?   And if race doesn’t matter to you, why bring it up?    My purpose of communicating on this post is to show conservatives where they’re wrong and attempt to drag them back to the 21st century.     I’m not concerned if you’re Black, White, Indian, Asian or Hispanic…if you’re wrong (in my opinion) you’re wrong.     Most mothers teach their children about responsibility, but they don’t always follow those teachings….and that teaching  crosses the lines of politics and race.    No one has the monopoly on that benefit.    And I’m happy that you had the choice to have a legal abortion and didn’t have to visit the back alleys of the 50s and 60s.   But at least you had that right…a right that many have sworn to eliminate with the stroke of a pen.

Jamgrae, I’m not ranting. I brought race up after you did but be aware, well. Its almost no use.

Abortion will not be outlawed. So no worries for you, huh? And, I miraculously became much more responsible with my sex after that ordeal, procedure, whatever nomenclature you want to give it. 

The government should NOT be paying for abortion, birth control pills or sterilization of either sex (unless that person is totally out of control)…That is another conversation.