Big Dan still hasn’t bought you guys a copy editor eh?

When the reporting of a story becomes as salacious as the story itself, you aren’t really a reporter at all.

How about you, Tommy Christopher do some true journ-o-listic work and look into whether the ‘ Weiner ‘ first contacted these underage girls. That would be staying ‘ on topic ‘ as your ” NEW ” company mantra decries.

Also, why don’t you, through your vast assortment of important people, or maybe even yourself, contact Mrs Weiner to really find out the truth regarding ” Weinergate “.

It’s truly rediculous for you to go after these jackasses when you and the others in the MSM ought to be concentrating on a ( newlywed ) sitting United States Congressman that is moonlighting as a Casanova character, stalking underaged girls.

Yes, no, maybe, drop dead……

Are you sure you were ever talking to real people?

What high school girl would bother leading on a stranger who PMs them on twitter about what some congressman is up to… it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever… and I think these “high school girls” are sockpuppets of sorts…

The internet is a shady place for young girls to be hanging out? Who knew? It sounds like these girls’ parents were on top of things which is great. But, anytime you create a personal profile out there in cyberspace, you’re subjecting yourself to unforeseen consequences.

What a load of crap Tommy about Hoft. Everything Hoft posted was all PUBLIC info provided by the girls themselves. The only one creepy is Rep. Weiner for following them. And, people such as Hoft and Wolf, have every right to question it and his relationship with them. One was a love sick fan girl of Weiner’s. Sorry, but the fact that Weiner followed them is a real story that demands questions and answers. He very carefully chose to follow those girls. WHY?

So Markos Moulitsas is basically guilty of…failing to believe something is true just because “Tommy Christopher said so”.
And for not taking believing that Christopher says, Moulitsas is a “child-hating piece of shit”?

http://twitter.com/#!/tommyxtopher/status/77045241059876864

And why he should he believe something is true simply because Christopher says it is? Were they BFFs before this story?
Please.

Let’s lay out the facts her in re Moulitsas:
1.Christopher says there are photos of minors.
2.Moulitsas dosen’t believe him.
3.Kos diarist redacts the names when he hears that Tommy Christopher says their minors.

It’s a non-story, Tommy Christopher knows it and keeps running with it. Sad.

“There’s no indication that any of the adults involved here have learned their lesson.”

Because they’re not adults. They’re political operatives who have cross-stitched “By Any Means Necessary” into their hearts and souls.

They’d sell out their grandmothers and justify themselves by espousing their concern for their country.

BTW, Tommy, I sure hope that you don’t talk around your children the way that you do online.

Barack Must Go said:
How about you, Tommy Christopher do some true journ-o-listic work and look into whether the ‘ Weiner ‘ first contacted these underage girls.

Did you not read the several thousand word report I just did on that subject?

ninjapirate said:
Are you sure you were ever talking to real people?

Yes. I took appropriate steps to verify their identities, as my original story states.

kit9 said:
What a load of crap Tommy about Hoft. Everything Hoft posted was all PUBLIC info provided by the girls themselves.

The issue is Hoft’s presentation of the info, as my story clearly states.

Hall Phillip Walker said:
So Markos Moulitsas is basically guilty of…failing to believe something is true just because “Tommy Christopher said so”.

He never professed not to believe it, he just didn’t care. He took great pains to make that clear.

The families should sue both of them.

lizzy , please remove tommy”s e-mails, they are laced with profanities, and your rules state no profanity, not whining , just want the rules to be fair, thank you

I know Tommy didn’t like what Stack did but insinuating that he is a pedophile is going a bit far.

Tommy Christopher said:
Did you not read the several thousand word report I just did on that subject?

No I didn’t. Where can I find it and have you or any of your left wing ( MSM ) friends reached out to Mrs. Weiner or looked into who sought out whom in the exchanges between these numerous underage girls and the United States Congressman yet. If not….why not?

Barack Must Go said:
No I didn’t. Where can I find it and have you or any of your left wing ( MSM ) friends reached out to Mrs. Weiner or looked into who sought out whom in the exchanges between these numerous underage girls and the United States Congressman yet. If not….why not?

Well, it’s interesting that based upon Weiner’s own weasel words, Dan Wolfe and company had reason to suspect that he’s a bit of a perv.

It’s a bit difficult to argue that these people were being entirely weird in their pursuit of the congressman after he’s admitted to having such pictures “out there” after one landed in the account of an attractive coed.

The problem is that they are a bunch of political operatives rather than journalists. However, how many journalists would have watched Weiner’s twitter feed based upon the fact that he has a bit of a reputation and had “friended” young girls? Hell, it took the National Enquirer to expose John Edwards.

The media needs to ask themselves, would they be monitoring Weiner’s twitter account if he had been a Republican. They certainly do Sara Palin.

Tommy, you must have read Film Ladd’s interview of Dan Wolfe.
So why did you leave this information out?:

danwolfe7676 (5:22:42 PM): I commented on him from very begining. Yes. No genius detective work there. Never tried to hide that. Because he’s always on. So I comment. Then my group started to notice the young girls, Weiner’s fixation on the young girls. This bothered me especially. Troubles me too because of what I went through with my daughter. I know the signs. We were just divorced a couple years at the time. We shared custody of the kids. And again — I don’t like talking about this but the private emails opened the door so I’m going to do this as best I can to protect my exwife and kids…We were just divorced at the time; we shared custody of the kids and then that happened with my daughter and her predator.

Of course as a parent you blame yourself. You want to protect your kids from everything, even from the tiniest cut or scratch. I took it hard. As a father you want to protect your daughter from creeps. He was more than a creep but you know what I mean. I blamed myself. And as it turns out -my exwife blamed me too because this happened on a day when I was working, just getting another part of my business started at the time so I was working night and day. And I blame myself – I do. I wasn’t there to protect her when this happened. So that was the beginning of a long, viscious battle for my kids.

this story unleashed plenty of collateral damage…

TC – As much as I despise Daily Kos, and think they are a bunch of liars, I have to ask this question – are the girls really in high school, or are the 20?

I never paid attention to who Betty and Veronica are/were, and there is a post up at Kos (i saw linked your other post) about Betty and Veronica. It says they are both 20.

It is so bizarre to me that people on both sides are digging into everyone involved, except it seems, Weiner. Smoking Gun is *Joe the Plumbering* Patriot and Stack, and I’m not sure knowing that they are in custody battles (and Patriots kid was a victim of a sex offender) or that Stack moderates porn sites, or was bankrupt helps anyone solve the matter of Weiner and the grey panties.

If they hacked Weiner, they should be punished. But, if they were rabid anti-Weiner followers, that watched his every move, that still doesn’t explain how the dic-pic ended up being tweeted. Why wouldn’t Weiner investigate, if he were hacked?

Also, why couldn’t the girls just block these guys and put an end to it? If they blocked them, and/or unfollowed Weiner, or asked Weiner to unfollow them, wouldn’t it have stopped? I blocked someone once who was bugging me, and I never saw her again.

Tommy, come on. Don’t do the bidding of the smear merchant, Breitbart. Why are you trying to obscure the truth that the online right-wing cyberstalking gang ran by Mike Stack and others (including Jim Hoft) were stalking harassing young girls and women all in an attempt to ensnare Democratic politicians?

Also there is now information available to you about the other porn related activities of Mike Stack but you’ve managed so far to keep on writing defensive articles without mentioning any of this information to your readers.

For those who missed it,

Mike Stack (aka Goatsred and sinlinlin) is one of the ring leaders of the right-wing cyberstalking gang that worked with Andrew Breitbart to raise accusations about Rep Weiner to the press.

If you want to get an idea of Mike Stack’s character, please read the entire post below from the blog of a woman that Mike Stack stalked and cyberharrassed two years ago. Mike Stack is using the name sinlinlin

Tommy, Mike Stack’s email address is mscart2000@yahoo.com. Why don’t you ask him to clarify his actions and words in the thread below? Why don’t you find out if it is true as he said that he previously attacked a porn star online but took his youtube videos down when he was paid off? What about his claim about being able to track anyone down and having people that work for him using “WiFi” networks.to get even?

http://pornstarbabylon.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/is-rob-black-a-pedophile/

“He once told a commenter on another porn site, “I just know not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Kind of like when your daddy shoves his **** in your mouy=th.”

On a porn site? I would imagine there would be a lot of comments like those on a porn site…? I don’t know, I don’t post on them, but really? That’s shocking for a porn site?

These people are absolutely sick.

Tommy is not going to do that because right now he is shilling for Breitbart.

sarainitaly said:
TC – As much as I despise Daily Kos, and think they are a bunch of liars, I have to ask this question – are the girls really in high school, or are the 20?

He does not want to bring to the attention of his readers that PatriotUSA67 who claims that his daughter was molested by a sex offender is actually in cahoots with a self admitted sex pervert called Mike Stack.

If you check the background of many of the twitter right-wing cyberbulling gang (PatriotUSA67, Goatsred, jihadihunter etc..) you will discover that they share more than just a love of right-wing politics. For example, the production and consumption of extreme pornography.

But hey, lets focus on Rep Weiner allegedly sending a boxer shot of himself to a consensual and adult woman.

Behind all these right winger hand wringers is a sexual predator waiting to get out.

sarainitaly said:
“He once told a commenter on another porn site, “I just know not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Kind of like when your daddy shoves his **** in your mouy=th.”

On a porn site? I would imagine there would be a lot of comments like those on a porn site…? I don’t know, I don’t post on them, but really? That’s shocking for a porn site?

Doesn’t that comment look more like it came from a Leftist commenter on Mediaite? I know I’ve had more then a few comments similar to that directed at me here.

sarainitaly said:
“He once told a commenter on another porn site, “I just know not to look a gift horse in the mouth. Kind of like when your daddy shoves his **** in your mouy=th.”

On a porn site? I would imagine there would be a lot of comments like those on a porn site…? I don’t know, I don’t post on them, but really? That’s shocking for a porn site?

So dear sarainitaly, incest is “normal” for a porn site? Really? In your world?

Do you happen to have a friendship with Mike Stack, PatriotUSA67, JihadiHunter or other members of the twitter gang?

Btw, the twitter right-wing cyber-bulling gang has obviously been alerted to their backgrounds being exposed here and are sending in sock-puppets to downrate all the negative information about them and try to bury the articles as well.

What you forget is that through the magic of the Internet and *Anonymous* people, the horrible things you’ve done for your political beliefs will eventually be revealed.

Trust me.

Tommy Christopher said:
Yes. I took appropriate steps to verify their identities, as my original story states.

Tommy, did you verify the age of the two girls you wrote about?

Also, did you ever find out who were the women that were alluded to that were part of the goatsred effort to obtain incriminating statements from these alleged under-aged girls?

Finally, why didn’t the parents of the alleged under-aged girls report goatsred and the others to the police? If they have, when?

troi said:
I know Tommy didn’t like what Stack did but insinuating that he is a pedophile is going a bit far.

I think Mark Stack’s own words and actions speak for themselves.

itwasextortion said:
sending in sock-puppets

Sez the sockpuppet. Yawn……

itwasextortion said:
So dear sarainitaly, incest is “normal” for a porn site? Really? In your world?

Do you happen to have a friendship with Mike Stack, PatriotUSA67, JihadiHunter or other members of the twitter gang?

In my world, I don’t hang out at porn sites, but I wouldn’t imagine it were too shocking. And having just read thru that link where it came from, that was mild considering what else was posted there. And it was coming from both participants. And it appears to have started because the owner of the blog accused someone of being a child molester because they read it on Wiki.

I have no idea who Mike Stack is, or any of them.

“For example, the production and consumption of extreme pornography.”
Pray tell, how do you know this?

“Mike Stack (aka Goatsred and sinlinlin) is one of the ring leaders of the right-wing cyberstalking gang that worked with Andrew Breitbart to raise accusations about Rep Weiner to the press.” – LOL! Oh please.

Why don’t you try toning it down a bit, and put a lid on the hysterics. Sextortion. *eyeroll* Are you from Daily Kos?

TC isn’t doing AB’s bidding. And based on your questions you want tommy to ask Stack, it seems you didn’t even read that thread that you linked.

sarainitaly said:
Are you from Daily Kos?

Yes, he is a kos kiddie.

itwasextortion said:
So dear sarainitaly, incest is “normal” for a porn site? Really? In your world?

Plenty of incest porn out there…. don’t know why you’re so *shocked* someone would make a comment like that.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=porn+movies+about+incest&hl=en

itwasextortion said:
Tommy, did you verify the age of the two girls you wrote about?

Yea, you’re from Kos.

itwasextortion says:

Stalk much? Cyberharrass much?

I am still listening…

http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-my-interview-with-mike-stack

It is becoming ridiculous that everyone involved is being investigated but Weiner, and not by the Feds.

He doesn’t deny the pics is his. He refuses to call the cops.

How does any of this stuff about Patriot and Stack explain away Weiner’s tweet, and behavior following said tweet. And his calling it a hack, downgrading to prank, and hiring a lawyer, and not the cops.

sarainitaly, are you sick or something? Why the hell would you post links to child porn? I can’t believe you’re this desperate to protect your fellow right-wing perverts.

itwasextortion said:
protect your fellow right-wing perverts.

extortion is illegal… and your accusations of it are like the swings at a pinata…

itwasextortion said:
sarainitaly, are you sick or something? Why the hell would you post links to child porn? I can’t believe you’re this desperate to protect your fellow right-wing perverts.

i posted a google search on incest porn. didn’t know if it existed, figured it did. what do you know, it does.
i can’t believe you’re so insane.

“These incidents illustrate, in bright colors, what can happen when zeal to get a piece of the media action overtakes good judgment. ”

That’s putting it mildly- it wasn’t zeal, it competition and pettiness. Good judgement requires some standard of ethics- all this proved is that the media is full of people who make a call base on the bottom line, regardless of consequences and collateral damage.

sarainitaly needs to go back to her crocheting and stop posting links to child porn! What is wrong with you ring-wing crazies!

itwasextortion said:
Why the hell would you post links to child porn?

child porn is illegal. if google served up any links to child porn, then you should call the cops. and thank me for helping you expose child pornography.

itwasextortion said:
sarainitaly needs to go back to her crocheting and stop posting links to child porn! What is wrong with you ring-wing crazies!

oh look it’s rrk.

Jaurez said:
itwasextortion says:

Stalk much? Cyberharrass much?

itwasextortion said:
sarainitaly needs to go back to her crocheting and stop posting links to child porn! What is wrong with you ring-wing crazies!

Apparently he does….

sarainitaly, you’re the one who decided to go searching on the Internet for child porn and incest movies? Why on earth would a sane person do that and then copy/paste the google search results into a public forum for others to see.

You’re also the one who claimed not to be surprised or shocked by incest in pornography right before going on google to go find it. All this says more about you than it says about anyone else here. You’re sick!

Let me give you a tip. Your search for child porn on google has caused your computer to access content which might reside on sites which are illegal in the United States and for which a record has been made in log files with your IP address in it.

So go ahead and keep trying to defend the indefensible as no sane person would publicaly admit to looking for incest and child porn videos online , nevermind while attempting to absolve their right-wing friends of accusations of being porn perverts.

Get lost!

itwasextortion said:
Tommy is not going to do that because right now he is shilling for Breitbart.

He does not want to bring to the attention of his readers that PatriotUSA67 who claims that his daughter was molested by a sex offender is actually in cahoots with a self admitted sex pervert called Mike Stack.

If you check the background of many of the twitter right-wing cyberbulling gang (PatriotUSA67, Goatsred, jihadihunter etc..) you will discover that they share more than just a love of right-wing politics. For example, the production and consumption of extreme pornography.

But hey, lets focus on Rep Weiner allegedly sending a boxer shot of himself to a consensual and adult woman.

Behind all these right winger hand wringers is a sexual predator waiting to get out.

Libs are a sub culture completely lacking a moral compass.

itwasextortion said:
sarainitaly, you’re the one who decided to go searching on the Internet for child porn and incest movies? Why on earth would a sane person do that and then copy/paste the google search results into a public forum for others to see.

You’re also the one who claimed not to be surprised or shocked by incest in pornography right before going on google to go find it. All this says more about you than it says about anyone else here. You’re sick!

Let me give you a tip. Your search for child porn on google has caused your computer to access content which might reside on sites which are illegal in the United States and for which a record has been made in log files with your IP address in it.

So go ahead and keep trying to defend the indefensible as no sane person would publicaly admit to looking for incest and child porn videos online , nevermind while attempting to absolve their right-wing friends of accusations of being porn perverts.

Get lost!

rrk, no where did i search child porn.

sounds like you’re speaking from personal experience, eh? get busted once or twice did ya?

as i am SURE you are WELL aware, there are fetishes for everything. Am I surprised that they have made porn movies with plots about incest? no. are porn movies with plots about incest *child pornography*? not if they are legal movies.

If there are illegal ones that showed up in that google search (which I don’t know, i didn’t click on them, like you did) then you should call the police right away and report them. Because, as you well aware, child porn is illegal.

Why would I past a freaking search ANYONE can do on Google? i know it’s hard, rrk, but use your brain.

Barack Must Go said:
Libs are a sub culture completely lacking a moral compass.

Not all libs.

I need to revamp my statement about political operatives defending any sort of behavior on the notion that they’re helping the country. They also justify it on the grounds of the heinous things the OTHER guys are doing…

sarainitaly said:
Why would I past a freaking search ANYONE can do on Google? i know it’s hard, rrk, but use your brain.

He just wants to get everyone yelling at each other, rather than discussing the topic.

That’s internet political operative method 101.

itwasextortion said:
Get lost!

you “get lost”.

I was asking Tommy some questions about his post, and discussing the topic at hand. You initially, and continue addressing me.

itwasextortion said:
But hey, lets focus on Rep Weiner allegedly sending a boxer shot of himself to a consensual and adult woman.

Well, until Goatsred, jihadhunter, and PatriotUSA67, get elected to public office… let’s sure as hell do…

Disclaimer: I only read and visit The Daily Kos and Gateway Pundit a couple of times a month and always when someone has linked to one of their posts. So my opinion on this matter is based entirely upon my impression and knowledge of the industries involved.

Also as I outline this tl;dr in my mind, it would be served by footnoting links, but I’m worried that too many will throw the comment into the moderation queue, so those not used in the initial comment will go into a follow-up in hopes of fooling the bot.

With that said…
—

First of all, as it relates to this topic, the two posts represent different animals.

Hoft is a blogger and the issue is something he wrote and self-published, while the Kos piece (which I haven’t seen) was reportedly written by a community member and posted via Moulitsas’ blog publishing platform. This distinction is important because though he may have cracked the door by not simply pointing toward the site’s terms of service, it does limit his responsibility for the content.

Looking at five of the largest blog publishing platforms which also double as networks, though they aren’t thematic and advertise blogs differently or not at all, we can see that under most, if not all of their terms, the Kos post as it has been described would be allowed.

The one most open to interpretation or the hardest to defend appears to be TypePad;

8.2 You acknowledge that TypePad does not pre-screen content, but that TypePad and its designees will have the right (but not the obligation) in their sole discretion to refuse or remove any content that is available via the TypePad Service.

While the one with the most restrictions, yet containing a well-defined out appears to LiveJournal;

LiveJournal may flag, restrict access, delete said Content, or terminate your Account at its sole discretion without assuming control, responsibility, or liability for the Content posted on the Service under the terms of the DMCA Safe Harbor Agreement. Should Content be reported to LiveJournal as containing full nudity, violence, obscenity, gang-related Content, hate-based Content based on racial, ethnic, gender, transgender, disability, or sexual orientation, harassment of other users, endangerment to minors, incitation to violence or criminal activity, violation of another person’s intellectual property rights, or Content that is otherwise offensive or inappropriate under the TOS, LiveJournal reserves the right to flag, restrict access, and/or delete said Content and/or suspend your Account at any time without notice;

The key phrase or out in the LiveJournal ToS is the bit about the “DMCA Safe Harbor Agreement”, which they broadly interpret to mean a hands-off approach to content because if they start censoring, they’d have to do it across the board. Therefore, they are firm believers in the following line which actually prefaces all of their content restrictions.

LiveJournal falls under the DMCA Safe Harbor Agreement and cannot control, or be held responsible or liable, for any of the Content that appears on the Service.

All of the other blog publishing platforms fall somewhere in between these two services and I’m sure all of them would argue the Safe Harbor provision as a shield of protection.

Now, I can’t find the ToS for the Daily Kos even though I logged-in and pulled-up the interface to generate a new post, but Moulitsas’ position appears to conform to the accepted interpretation of the Safe Harbor provisions, as it applies to blog-publishing platforms.

Of course, one might see the inclusion of “endangerment to minors” in the LiveJournal ToS and think it could apply, but the Daily Kos isn’t bound by the LJ language and Google’s Blogger defines it more narrowly;

Child safety: We have a zero tolerance policy towards content that exploits children. Some examples of this include:

Child pornography: We will terminate the accounts of any user we find publishing or distributing child pornography. We will also report that user to law enforcement.
Pedophilia: We do not allow content that encourages or promotes sexual attraction towards children. For example, do not create blogs with galleries of images of children where the collection of images or text accompanying the images is sexually suggestive.

Hoft, on the other hand is responsible for the content he created and published under his byline, but it’s worth noting that in the above post, he’s being treated different than Kos.

Moulitsas did not write the questionable post, it was simply published to his platform. While Hoft is being singled-out for something he personally wrote and there’s no mention of Google’s Blogger, which is actually his blog host.

Of course, though one might think Hoft stepped over a line and his post was written in hopes of gathering his army, under Blogger’s ToS, it’s clearly allowed;

Personal and confidential information: It’s not ok to publish another person’s personal and confidential information. For example, don’t post someone else’s credit card numbers, Social Security numbers, unlisted phone numbers, and driver’s license numbers. Also, please keep in mind that in most cases, information that is already available elsewhere on the Internet or in public records is not considered to be private or confidential under our policies.

Also, though again I haven’t seen the Kos post and can make no judgments on its actual content, plus it really doesn’t apply, but if the situation is as it is framed in the Daily Caller and only public or information gained from Tommy’s tweet stream was used, then it’d also be allowable under Google’s standards.

Of course, whether either post is ethical is another question, but as I said in the beginning, we’re really talking about two different things; Google either should be held to the same standard as Moulitsas, or the Kos blogger should be treated like Hoft.

And any way you look at it, we’re discussing new media issues.

Other Footnotes;

Additional links to other platform’s Terms of Service: WordPress & Tumblr

Wikipedia entry on the Digitial Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)

Hey, if anyone here knows a good sight with steamy hot piles of mash potatoes, the real kind with lumps, not from a bag or box, with gobs of gravy, any kind i’ll do. I’d really appreciate a heads up.

Thank you in advance, from your internet friend Barack Must Go.

Barack Must Go said:
Hey, if anyone here knows a good sight with steamy hot piles of mash potatoes, the real kind with lumps, not from a bag or box, with gobs of gravy, any kind i’ll do. I’d really appreciate a heads up.

Thank you in advance, from your internet friend Barack Must Go.

two words: paula deen

Barack Must Go said:
Hey, if anyone here knows a good sight with steamy hot piles of mash potatoes, the real kind with lumps, not from a bag or box, with gobs of gravy, any kind i’ll do. I’d really appreciate a heads up.

Thank you in advance, from your internet friend Barack Must Go.

You should be able to put in a special order on your ward.

sarainitaly said:
two words: paula deen

um hummmm.

Sam M. said:
You should be able to put in a special order on your ward.

Nah, they make em from a a bag or box…..no lumps.. and the gravy is always cold by the time they get here.

Look out! The nasty Pomeranian is back to nip at everyone’s heels!

One gut-wrenching by-product of the pursuit of the Weinergate story is the degree to which the safety and privacy of underage girls have been compromised, by those on the right and the left.

I must call bullshit here. There’s a very simple solution to this. If you don’t want your daughters (or sons) being exposed to the potential deprivations of social media, just keep them the hell off of it. The internet is like the ocean, and it has all sorts of interesting things swimming in it. Some of them are sharks.

If my kids were young enough for me to have to worry about it, I’d take Michelle Obama’s line. And Nancy Reagan’s: Just Say No.

I appreciate Media-ite finally taking some responsibility towards “Weinergate.” It’s ironic to me that the girl who the tweet was allegedly meant for never received it or the junk-shot. But now she and anyone else who watches Jon Stewart, Colbert, etc. probably can’t the damn thing out of their head.

hyenas said:
I appreciate Media-ite finally taking some responsibility towards “Weinergate.” It’s ironic to me that the girl who the tweet was allegedly meant for never received it or the junk-shot. But now she and anyone else who watches Jon Stewart, Colbert, etc. probably can’t the damn thing out of their head.

Well it could be much worse. At least it’s only in their head ( minds ), and not someplace else.

Why has not a single member of the democrat party asked weiner to come clean in this matter?

I’m glad he hasn’t cause watching his “supporters” twisting themselves 6 ways to Sunday defending him is very entertaining. :)

The Dems are feebly defending. There was the CNN pundit that insulted Breitbart on Monday, then there was…Wasserman-Schultz maybe? I can’t think of a single prominent Democrat that has defended him.

Tommy!

This was a fantastic article, and I sincerely want to thank you for injecting some sanity into this whole mess.

But one quick point. There’s a typo in the last scentece of your first paragraph… The name should be “Mike Stack” (the person in question), not “Mike Stark” (your fellow journalist.)

Again, thank you for being a same person.

Tommy! You better give up them damned cigarettes!
As someone who had to raise a 6 year old on my own after my spouse died unexpectedly, I can’t tell you enough about how many things a child misses out on when they lose a parent and the hardship it puts on a family.
I threw my Newports away almost 11 years ago, you can do it too! If you need help, I’ll bore you with the things I’ve done to help get over my dependency on nicotine. Since you’ve already had a scare, it’s obvious that your body wasn’t made for smoking, and that’s something I know alot about coming from a family of smokers who all died young of myocardial infarctions. It only takes 3-4 days to detox from the cravings. After that it’s all psychological and changing habits.

Pablo said:
I must call bullshit here. There’s a very simple solution to this. If you don’t want your daughters (or sons) being exposed to the potential deprivations of social media, just keep them the hell off of it. The internet is like the ocean, and it has all sorts of interesting things swimming in it. Some of them are sharks. If my kids were young enough for me to have to worry about it, I’d take Michelle Obama’s line. And Nancy Reagan’s: Just Say No.

Oh pablo… are you serious?

I must call unconscionable here.

Thats striding a pretty wide step (Larry Craig style), and for nothing more than to excuse the depravity of the grotesque predators whose work you have been gleefully celebrating.

And while you and your ghoulish pack happily waffle down the fruits of Child endangerment, you still act as if you are concerned about a crotch-shot.

How do you people sleep at night?

Its sick really… at one pont, I would have thought you and I just had poltical differences.

But no Pablo, you are sick enough to stand up for these creeps, and are tacitly complicit in the predation which they have marshaled for your bs “cause”.

From the Mother of one of the young girls targetted by Breitbarts sources– Dan Wolfe and Redgoats–, as printed here in Mediaite (I am posting these selections just so people know what the parents have to say to their accusations)

Soon after she was following Rep Weiner, a group of grown men and a few grown woman who described themselves as “concerned mothers” began harassing my daughter. I can assure you, as a mother, I’ve never heard of such disgusting behavior. ….

These mothers and their grown male friends attacked the intentions and character of Rep Weiner to our daughter and suggested that he was somehow perverse for following her. This disgusted myself and my husband. They were attacking a man, who has done nothing to them and has done nothing wrong.
Ultimately, Rep Weiner had to unfollow our daughter as a favor to her so these attacks would stop. We were sorry that these bullies caused this and we were disgusted to see that even after he unfollowed her, this group of so called mothers and grown men — continued to try and contact my daughter….

There are a few popular blogs with an image of these tweets that I referenced earlier in which a classmate inaccurately described herself as a spokesperson for my daughter. This could not be further from the truth. We know this classmate’s parents personally. This young girl is troubled and she was hounded by a couple of members of that pack of harassing grown men and women until one of them got her to agree to follow him so they could send each other direct messages.

From there, this man questioned this young girl and was gleeful over anything that he could find to incriminate Rep Weiner. He goes by the name goatsred. He also tried to contact my daughter and she locked her account when this happened. After she locked her account he continued to send requests to follow her, she refused to allow him to follow her.

This classmate of our daughters is troubled and got caught up in this media frenzy and this grown man, goatsred, took advantage of her youth – she is a minor like my daughter. My husband and I are adamant that the only perverse and inappropriate behavior that has occurred has been shown by this group of mothers and grown men and the media, and liberal and conservative blogs.

The cowardly Dan Wolfe, and the disgusting “goatsread” are these creeps here–

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/mike-stack-weinergate-co-pilot-219073

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/leaked_emails_show_tip_to_breitbart_about_weiner_t.php

This is the kind of evil, pervertd monster that can only be summoned by the hatred marshaled by Breitbart, and vomited out by so many of you day after day on this site.

And I am absolutely appaled, not just that you can lend these two clowns any credibility, or belive their BS story (when Mike Stack makes it clear that he knows how to manipulate hard-drives) , but that ANY of you can equivocate or excuse this behavior.

I whole heartedly agree with Christopher when he faults Daily Kos as well as Hoft for not redacting the images… but at least Daily Kos eventually did (and even when it had the images, the author did not titliate over them the way a gross pervert like Hoft does.)

Ultimately, this would not have happened if Breitbart didnt have a open door policy to any garbage from any dishonest creep to satisfy his hatred of all things left.

BTW,

Look at pictures under the headline— the pasty thing on the left…, the one with the chicken neck and that garish rash where a chin should be.

Is THAT Jim Hoft?

My goodness, nature can be so cruel… its like he fell of the top of “the Ugly Tree” and smacked every single branch on the way down!!!

Another manufactured outrage from Tommy Christopher! Gateway Pundit did a damn good job of debunking your crap…

Click the link and watch Tommy Christopher backtrack or spin his way out of it…
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/06/far-left-crank-tommy-christopher-putting-photos-of-underage-girls-on-the-internet-is-off-limits-unless-shes-a-palin/

Let me be clear on a few points.
1.) After I posted the list of Weiner’s tweet-hearts last week the story was later covered by several mainstream media outlets including The Daily Mail and The New York Post — with pictures.
2.) The twitter information is open to the public on Weiner’s twitter page. It’s already right there for all to see. I didn’t did anything up, it’s right there on his twitter page.
3.) If Tommy Christopher has a problem looking at “large” photos of women on the internet that would be his issue, not mine.
4.) Also, I never acknowledged that the young teenager who Weiner follows had been harassed. That’s a lie.
5.) I never told anyone to harass any of these young women. That is another lie.

Finally, here’s a question for Tommy…
If posting pictures of young girls on the internet is so offensive then why did you splash a “big” photo of Willow Palin in one of your recent posts?

TheRealTruth said:
Another manufactured outrage from Tommy Christopher! Gateway Pundit did a damn good job of debunking your crap… Click the link and watch Tommy Christopher backtrack or spin his way out of it…http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/06/far-left-crank-tommy-christopher-putting-photos-of-underage-girls-on-the-internet-is-off-limits-unless-shes-a-palin/ Let me be clear on a few points.1.) After I posted the list of Weiner’s tweet-hearts last week the story was later covered by several mainstream media outlets including The Daily Mail and The New York Post — with pictures.2.) The twitter information is open to the public on Weiner’s twitter page. It’s already right there for all to see. I didn’t did anything up, it’s right there on his twitter page.3.) If Tommy Christopher has a problem looking at “large” photos of women on the internet that would be his issue, not mine.4.) Also, I never acknowledged that the young teenager who Weiner follows had been harassed. That’s a lie.5.) I never told anyone to harass any of these young women. That is another lie. Finally, here’s a question for Tommy…If posting pictures of young girls on the internet is so offensive then why did you splash a “big” photo of Willow Palin in one of your recent posts?

Good gawd!

That is just hands down absurd!

Jim Hoft is trying to compare his reckless endagerment of minors (and his tacit support for harrasing them) with Tommy Christopher using a picture of Bristol Palin (with her mother) in an article about her appearance in “Dancing with The Stars”? A picture which is FROM that appearance?

Thats “debunking” the simple, moral respect that Tommy is advocating here?

Sorry muffin, thats hardly the slam dunk that you hope it to be. In fact, its really rather daft.

I mean, its well beyond a false equivalence… its as batwing crazy as online stalker Dan Wolfe or creepy predator Mike Stack (… er, I mean, Breitbart’s “reliable sources.”)

So how much oxycontin did you steal from the housekeeper, and wolf down at break-neck speed, for THAT little ditty to make sense???

Hoft’s pathetic fail at justifying his unjust (even criminally negligent) behavior shows quite clearly that his immoral inner nature is as ugly as his tragic outside appearance.

In his case, you really CAN judge a book by its cover.

Gross!

Oh Tommy me boy, it just shows that you know nothing about the internet.

They’re all followers of Weiner on twitter, with that they’ve already plastered their photos and other data around the internet. All I need to do is go to Weiner’s twitter and I can already see everything. How many of them use facebook, myspace or similar? Most likely all of them. There, even more data about them, thrown into the world by themselves.

But you’re going after Jim?

Shall we say… desparate, stupid and uneducated?

Yes, we shall.

As for Hoft’s “reckless endagerment of minors” (the same minors who plastered their info all over the internet themselves)… people… shut it. If there were less users like you lot online, we’d have less problems with viruses, malware and ID theft on the internet.

If you had bothered to check, you would have found out that the diarist on DailyKos redacted the identifying information him or herself after discovering that the two were minors. Also when you say that the diary “published a photo,” that implies to me that it was a photo of the two girls, instead of what it actually was a – a screenshot of @goatsred’s twitter page with the girls’ twitter names on it. Perhaps if the girls’ parents had kept them from tweeting men who are associated with a porn site and who have been arrested for DUI and domestic assault, they would not be dealing with harassment, etc.

500K4Sarah2Speak said:
But no Pablo, you are sick enough to stand up for these creeps, and are tacitly complicit in the predation which they have marshaled for your bs “cause”.

What predation is that, exactly? Details, please. Did they send these young ladies dick pix?

We disagree on a lot of things Tommy. On THIS we do not. Thanks you for exposing these 2 jerks.

Jim Hoft is the dumbest man on the internet. Just sayin…

Next time Tommy Christopher gets the urge to concern-troll about Markos Moulitsas, maybe he should proofread his own article where he claims Mike STARK is “a man with a troubling history” when he meant Mike STACK.

Unless of course he really was trying to smear Mike Stark.

What’s interesting to me about TC’s multiple columns on this topic is that, while he’s decrying these “underage girls” being “exposed to risk” by zealots, he’s simultaneously telling us all where we can go to find the names and photos of these girls. Way to protect, TC.

Jelperman said:
Next time Tommy Christopher gets the urge to concern-troll about Markos Moulitsas, maybe he should proofread his own article where he claims Mike STARK is “a man with a troubling history” when he meant Mike STACK.

Unless of course he really was trying to smear Mike Stark.

Mike Stark is a man with a troubling history. Surely that’s not what Tommy meant to say, but it is true.

The only thing “troubling” about Mike Stark is the way he helped expose George “Macaca” Allen as a racist douche, and he caused Falafel O’Reilly to throw a hissy fit on his own show, threatening to send “Fox Security” after him.

kit9 said:
” What a load of crap Tommy about Hoft. Everything Hoft posted was all PUBLIC info provided by the girls themselves. ”

Tommy Christopher says:
” The issue is Hoft’s presentation of the info, as my story clearly states. ”

No Tommy , you clearly stated this also …..
” Both right-wing blogger Jim Hoft and left-wing blogger Markos Moulitsas defiantly refused calls to redact the identities of underage girls, ”

If it was just presentation why did you say he is guilty of what Moulitsas is guilty of ?

You also say this …

” At least one of the girls (Hoft doesn’t say whether he bothered to check the others) was an underage girl who had already been harassed off of Twitter by the same clique that first “discovered” the controversial tweet from Rep. Weiner last Friday night. Hoft acknowledges this, but still splashes the 17 year-old’s photo and Twitter id all over his page. Remeber, “luscious” is his description. ”

Hoft says that’s a lie. Is it Tommy ?

The only thing I disagree with Hoft on , is him claiming the picture of Willow you posted was somehow the same of what you accussed him of. That was lame .

To me it looks like you have gone back to your old habit of trying to find an equivalence on the right for something bad someone on the left has done. I know this story has been real hard on you Tommy.
A liberal pol looking guilty of something…. having to criticize a far left lib buddy …. and writing nice things about Beitbart .

Suck it up Tommy and be fair .

Tommy Christopher wrote:
“Weinergate Zealotry On Right And Left Exposes Underage Girls To Risk”

What about posting pics of Willow Palin?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/willow-palin-should-not-be-attacked-for-calling-someone-fggot-on-facebook/

This is just crazy.

I cant believe that so many of you are spewing such hateful, mad-cap vitriol over the simple request to be aware and compassionate to the minors who you are making the “collateral damage” in this truly bizarre campaign.

Tatboy and I are actually in agreement here… that might make it a very cold day in hell, but I am still awash with amazement that only 2 people in this comments section can see the humanity of what Tommy Christopher is asking.

At least the Daily Kos author redacted her/his images… hell, even a depraved and dishonest liar like Andrew Breitbart did.

If EVEN Breitbart saw fit to redact the images, why do so many of his followers and contributors insist otherwise?

I mean, you guys mindlessy follow his lead on so much else, so why is this issue the one exception?

I really hope that the parents in this matter make good on their promise and sue that ugly freak Jim Hoft straight into the next life… there is a special place in prison for people who bring harm to children, and Jim Hoft is heading straight for that place.

He belongs there… as do predators like Dan Wolfe and Goatsred.

And BTW Pablo… before you act like no harm was done because a group of GROWN MEN decided to sexually harasss a group of minors FOR NOTHING MORE THAN FANNING A POLITICAL CELEBRITY, consider the fact that not only are you taking a big dump on the family values that you pretend to stand for, you are also advocating for the most invasive forms of invasive political blackmail, which even makes underage girls its targets… thats what Big Government REALLY looks like, ‘kay?

If the words “compassion” or “courtesy” are too big for you mutton heads, try googling the words “respect” or “restraint”.

Shame on you all, and your hideously breathless celebrations of child-endangerment as a political statement.

sarainitaly said:
TC – As much as I despise Daily Kos, and think they are a bunch of liars, I have to ask this question – are the girls really in high school, or are the 20?

I never paid attention to who Betty and Veronica are/were, and there is a post up at Kos (i saw linked your other post) about Betty and Veronica. It says they are both 20.

Also, why couldn’t the girls just block these guys and put an end to it? If they blocked them, and/or unfollowed Weiner, or asked Weiner to unfollow them, wouldn’t it have stopped? I blocked someone once who was bugging me, and I never saw her again.

lots more people saying the girls are 20, not 16. What’s the truth?

500K4Sarah2Speak said:
I really hope that the parents in this matter make good on their promise and sue that ugly freak Jim Hoft straight into the next life… there is a special place in prison for people who bring harm to children, and Jim Hoft is heading straight for that place.

did he post anything personal about them that they didn’t post themselves, or that Betty’s parents actually allowed her to post?

sarainitaly said:
lots more people saying the girls are 20, not 16. What’s the truth?

Just another blogger who thinks they cracked the case. I have read a lot of their stuff for laughs. No matter what is debunked they start another story that they think is correct . The prevailing theory there is that Breitbart and Clarence Thomas are behind this ” frame ‘ on Weiner .Some of this stuff is comedy gold . Hilarious .

Here is one of the more sane posters .There are about a half dozen…

” I’m tired of these conspiracies. Yesterday, Anthony Weiner all but admitted the photo was his, and today we’re blaming Clarence Thomas?!

No offense, but this kind of stuff makes us look ridiculous.”

The person who claims the girls are older was told by a moderator ( I think ) to not be irresponsible . Here is some of what she said….

“Veronica” and “Betty” are twenty years old. 20. Two-Zero. One of them says in the now infamous twitter exchange that they want to remain anonymous but AB can just refer to them as “a couple of high school girls” since that part is important to the story.

They used to be in high school. “Betty” tried to get Weiner to take her to the prom.
Now the question becomes, why are Tommy Christopher and Andrew Breitbart lying about the ages of “Veronica” and “Betty”? ”

This person thinks Tommy is righty . lol .

” That is a LIE. And now Breitbart and Christopher are desperately trying to protect that lie, because the whole story is about to unravel. ”
” Should we really trust an unsourced statement coming from Tommy Christopher? Some people wonder if he even exists, or is actually Breitbart himself. ”

The moderator later told this person to contact Tommy to check if this was true . And chewed the person out here ….
” Incredibly Irresponsible (2+ / 0-)

To post the FB page of a young woman because you have decided on your own that her name and location is enough to conclude what is true.
That is also what happened within the first two hours of the Fort Hood shootings. Someone went out and looked up the name of the alleged shooter and grabbed a FB page because it matched name, location, and had a profile pic of a young man who was wearing camo pants. Ergo it just HAD to be him. It wasn’t. And for a while an innocent young guy and all of his friends had their information out there for the feeding frenzy.
You just did the same thing.

And “As far as I can tell” is not independently verified confirmation as to the identity of “Betty”.

Defend DKos editorial policies, and Markos’ handling of things all you want, that is a worthwhile exercise. But don’t make it worse by doing exactly the things that make “citizen bloggers” suspect for their ability to discern facts, perform due diligence to verify those facts, and to act with journalistic ethics “

Hofts response:

Left-wing crank Tommy Christopher (Fishbowl)

Well, I’ve faced a lot of nasty attacks from the left for my blogging over the years but this takes the cake. Far left crank Tommy Christopher, a writer at Mediaite website, attacked me this week for posting photos of Weiner’s tweet-hearts online For the record, the photos were already posted in Weiner’s twitter account, I just grouped them together in one post.

Let me be clear on a few points.
1.) After I posted the list of Weiner’s tweet-hearts last week the story was later covered by several mainstream media outlets including The Daily Mail and The New York Post — with pictures.
2.) The twitter information is open to the public on Weiner’s twitter page. It’s already right there for all to see. I didn’t dig anything up, it’s right there on his twitter page.
3.) If Tommy Christopher has a problem looking at “large” photos of women on the internet that would be his issue, not mine.
4.) Also, I never acknowledged that the young teenager who Weiner follows had been harassed. That’s a lie.
5.) I never told anyone to harass any of these young women. That is another lie.

Finally, here’s a question for Tommy…
If posting pictures of young girls on the internet is so offensive then why did you splash a “big” photo of Willow Palin in one of your recent posts?

Yfrog confirms that e-mail upload feature “has not been compromised in any way”

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/05/yfrog-confirms-that-e-mail-upload-feature-has-not-been-compromised-in-any-way/

In other words, more proof that Little Dickie is a big fat liar.

sponge bob said:
Defend DKos editorial policies, and Markos’ handling of things all you want, that is a worthwhile exercise. But don’t make it worse by doing exactly the things that make “citizen bloggers” suspect for their ability to discern facts, perform due diligence to verify those facts, and to act with journalistic ethics ”

you apparently didn’t read my entire comment. i despise them and know they are liars, but they have the names on a diary, of the two girls who are supposedly betty and veronica, and they link to veronica, and she is 20 or 21 years old. I have seen this elsewhere now, and would like to know if TC is correct/positive they are 16 and not 20/21.

I didn’t see the original diary at Kos that TC is talking about, but if they are now saying the two girls in that post are 20, and give their names, I gotta wonder.

sarainitaly said:
you apparently didn’t read my entire comment. i despise them and know they are liars, but they have the names on a diary, of the two girls who are supposedly betty and veronica, and they link to veronica, and she is 20 or 21 years old. I have seen this elsewhere now, and would like to know if TC is correct/positive they are 16 and not 20/21.

I didn’t see the original diary at Kos that TC is talking about, but if they are now saying the two girls in that post are 20, and give their names, I gotta wonder.

As I said , it was one blogger who thinks they know the names . One was supposed to be living in Arkansas . The moderator berated the person and later told the person to e-mail Tommy with the info and have him verify.

Tommy has said he talked to the parents. Are they lying ? What control would parents have over adults if these are indeed not underage girls ?

Anyway Tommy has heard from this person I would think and if he says nothing it was probably another Kossack lie .

The Left has deliberately tried to deflect this story away from Weiner by attacking the messengers.
Let’s bring this story back where it belongs, with Weiner tweeting dic-pics to college girls, shall we?

Yfrog confirms that e-mail upload feature “has not been compromised in any way”
POSTED AT 12:00 PM ON JUNE 5, 2011 BY ED MORRISSEY
REGULAR VIEW

Those providing on-line services take security very, very seriously, because any hint of vulnerability will have users running to competitors almost instantly in the highly competitive Internet world. When Rep. Anthony Weiner and his defenders began blaming Yfrog for a mysterious tweet on his stream that included a photo of a crotch that Weiner couldn’t say “with certitude” wasn’t his, Yfrog responded by suspending all e-mail uploads until it could fully check security. On Friday, Yfrog announced the results of its investigation:

After confirming that our email upload feature has not been compromised in any way – it is now active again (from 5 pm PST today). We appreciate your patience as we work to assure user safety and security. Please always maintain secure passwords and do not share email secret PINs with anyone. Please contact us at is-support@imageshack.us with any questions, if you want your PINs changed or disabled.

WEINER’S TALE UNRAVELING
BY DANIEL LIBIT SUNDAY, JUNE 5, 2011
As the world has attempted to make sense of Rep. Anthony Weiner’s claim that his Twitter account was hacked, a key clue has been missing: exactly how the notorious groin pic was posted online.

But according to data provided exclusively to The Daily from TweetCongress.org, a nonprofit website that captures each member of Congress’s Twitter feeds in real time, the shot seen round the world was transmitted using TweetDeck — a popular Adobe desktop application that links up with social networking sites. A review of Weiner’s Twitter stream from May 27, the day of the crotch pic, shows that Weiner had been posting only from TweetDeck — one of many ways to post messages to Twitter — that entire night.

Chet Wisniewski, a senior security adviser at security software company SophosLabs, said the TweetDeck stamp “does make it more plausible that it did come from him.”

Weiner used TweetDeck frequently, but he often also posted from the Web directly or from his BlackBerry. A widely circulated explanation for how Weiner’s Twitter account could have been hacked by email would also seem to be incompatible with the fact that the message in question originated on TweetDeck. If email had been used, the message probably would have originated via the photosharing site Yfrog, where the infamous picture was posted.

This story isn’t about the people who caught Weiner. They aren’t members of Congress. This story is about Weiner tweeting dic-pics, and his alibi’s and the Left’s excuses are crashing and burning. The verdict is almost in and Weiner looks to have an exciting week a”head”.

sponge bob said:
As I said , it was one blogger who thinks they know the names . One was supposed to be living in Arkansas . The moderator berated the person and later told the person to e-mail Tommy with the info and have him verify.

Tommy has said he talked to the parents. Are they lying ? What control would parents have over adults if these are indeed not underage girls ?

Anyway Tommy has heard from this person I would think and if he says nothing it was probably another Kossack lie .

if they posted pics and names of these girls, then they should know their names, no? the very names of the girls TC was mad that Kos exposed?

So…. they have *evidence* Betty and Veronica are 20, and not 16? The post is still up, that I am referring to, and has the names of both girls….

I would like TC to clarify.

” I gotta wonder. ”

I am not being a jerk . But what are you thinking ?

My thinking is Breibart just saw a good story and ran it .Weiner is hiding something. Wofe and co. hate Weiner and wanted to get him .They may have set him up . The age of the girls is no biggie to me unless Wolfe and co. knew it .

If Tommy knew it I dont see why he would not have gone after Wolfe and even Breitbart . One girl has been reported to have lied . She could be lying about her age too.But I think everyone believed they were underage which does not change anything I can see.

500K4Sarah2Speak said:
I cant believe that so many of you are spewing such hateful, mad-cap vitriol over the simple request to be aware and compassionate to the minors who you are making the “collateral damage” in this truly bizarre campaign.

What vitriol?

500K4Sarah2Speak said:
I really hope that the parents in this matter make good on their promise and sue that ugly freak Jim Hoft straight into the next life… there is a special place in prison for people who bring harm to children, and Jim Hoft is heading straight for that place.

Sue him for what? What harm? Someone tweeted them??? ZOMG!!! How will they ever recover? Please.

BTW, nice hateful, mad-cap vitriol you’ve got there.

500K4Sarah2Speak said:
And BTW Pablo… before you act like no harm was done because a group of GROWN MEN decided to sexually harasss a group of minors FOR NOTHING MORE THAN FANNING A POLITICAL CELEBRITY,

I’m still waiting for the particulars of this sexual harassment. Provide them, or put a cork in it.

consider the fact that not only are you taking a big dump on the family values that you pretend to stand for, you are also advocating for the most invasive forms of invasive political blackmail, which even makes underage girls its targets… thats what Big Government REALLY looks like, ‘kay?

What blackmail? Details, please. All I’m seeing from you is hysteria.

Now, let me tell you a bit about my family values. If I had young daughters, my values would have me keeping them from posting their personal information on the internet. Thus, they would never have had this little bit of notoriety.

Shame on you all, and your hideously breathless celebrations of child-endangerment as a political statement.

What child endangerment? And what will become of Rebecca Black??!!??

sponge bob said:
” I gotta wonder. ”

I am not being a jerk . But what are you thinking ?

My thinking is Breibart just saw a good story and ran it .Weiner is hiding something. Wofe and co. hate Weiner and wanted to get him .They may have set him up . The age of the girls is no biggie to me unless Wolfe and co. knew it .

If Tommy knew it I dont see why he would not have gone after Wolfe and even Breitbart . One girl has been reported to have lied . She could be lying about her age too.But I think everyone believed they were underage which does not change anything I can see.

It doesn’t change the Weiner story one bit. I just want to know if the two girls TC was referring to wrt the Kos article are really 20 or 16.

Weiner is lying, and guilty. I don’t believe he was hacked.

I am simply trying to verify if Betty and Veronica are 16 or 20.

If you want to know what I believe, you can read thru this thread. I am not rehashing all of that. My point here, which is the point of the article, the age of the girls in the posts that Hoft and Kos posted.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/andrew-breitbart-did-not-run-weinergate-evidence-which-turned-out-to-be-fabricated/

sponge bob said:
If Tommy knew it I dont see why he would not have gone after Wolfe and even Breitbart .

If Tommy knew it, why did he even contact them? I’m hearing what a bad, bad thing that is and yet, Tommy did it. Tommy has done pretty much exactly what Wolfe and Stack did in regard to these girls. Whassup wit dat?

People, this sideshow doesn’t matter. Neither Kos, Hoff, patriotsomethingoranother, etc… were elected to public office.

Today YFrog confirmed that it has done its own investigation and its email upload feature had not been compromised.

Don’t let the political operative trolls cause you focus on the wrong issue here. That is was and is still Rep. Anthony Weiner.

http://yfrog.com/message/thread/id/1_76517748502560768

Cecelia said:
People, this sideshow doesn’t matter. Neither Kos, Hoff, patriotsomethingoranother, etc… were elected to public office.

the age of the girls doesn’t matter to the Weiner story, wrt these two girls. it matters to the stories Tommy wrote, *attacking* Hoft and Kos for exposing underage girls, if they aren’t in fact under age. I am trying to get an answer to that.

i said elsewhere when this first came up, not sure i would have done the post that Hoft did, but the information he posted was already on the net, on their accounts, and was viewable to anyone and everyone. I didn’t see the post Kos did, if they revealed additional info than their names from their accounts, and photos, or what.

Betty’s parents claimed to have monitored their daughter very closely, so therefore, any information Hoft posted was approved of by her parents to be online. He didn’t reveal anything that wasn’t already there, for all to see, as witnessed by the other stories by newspapers, featuring women and girls from Weiner’s followers list.

What was bizarre to me, is that TC and others were mad at Hoft (not including Kos cuz not sure what they revealed) for posting an edited down list of Weiner’s twitter followees, calling it *jail bait list* but not concerned that Weiner followed the *jail bait* list to begin with.

he was very angry, as we all saw, at Hoft (and Kos) wrt the age of the girls. Kos is claiming the age of the two girls that TC is mad about are 20, not 16.

I don’t believe much of what comes out of that site, but considering they still have the names of the two girls on their site, with links to Veronica, showing she is not 16, it does seem like they might not be 16…

ok, sorry, just went off on a diatribe. Just trying to explain why it matters to me, and to THIS story.
:O)

Also, it goes to if Veronica was even more manipulative, telling Patriot to LIE that they were HS girls, when/if they weren’t. And IF they are not 16, why are the parents lying??

Just want TC to confirm, because he apparently talked to them all.

sarainitaly

Dont know if this helps you but here are a few of the comments the moderator made to the person who said they knew the girls were not underage .
Here is one where the mod says she spoke to Tommy…..

” Since I’m the one who called SW yesterday.

Tommy Christopher at Mediaite had the story behind the girls’ role in this unending mess. link here
I confirmed with Tommy that it was SW’s diary that had the problem and called SW, who immediately redacted the identifying information.

It’s not just noble to take a journalist at their word (also to take his friend who has a track record of making ethical journalistic decisions at HER word) it is behaving with professional ethics.

The minors are in fact minors.”

Here is one from saturday morning when the mod told this person to contact Tommy ….

” And I’m going to call you on it. Contact Tommy Christopher right away and present him with whatever evidence you believe you have that his reporting was incorrect.

Email him at tommy@mediaite.com and give him what you have. Then the responsibility goes back to him, if you are right, and he is wrong, to correct his reporting.

And by the way, you are starting out with a factual problem already — it is Tommy, via his independent work who reported that the girls were minors — it was NOT Andrew Breitbart. ”

The person ignored this and posted a story about the girls being older or had done so before and the mod just found it …
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/04/981982/-Why-Is-Andrew-Breitbart-Lying-About-Veronica-and-Betty-?via=tag

The mod than called this irresponsible and berated her.
I call her the moderator but she may just be a fellow poster. She told this person again today to e-mail Tommy . Either it was ignored or a wrong e-mail address given…..

Because it’s the wrong email address

tommy@mediaite.com

Try that again and use the right email address

tommy@mediaite.com

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/06/05/060511-news-weiner-1-4/

sarainitaly said:
What was bizarre to me, is that TC and others were mad at Hoft (not including Kos cuz not sure what they revealed) for posting an edited down list of Weiner’s twitter followees, calling it *jail bait list* but not concerned that Weiner followed the *jail bait* list to begin with.

There seems to be a concerted effort to wave red flags and holler about the poor, poor children and how they’re being victimized by people talking to and about them in order to distract from the only reason and jailbait list exists is because Anthony Weiner created it by following them.

Ok, sounds like Kos is lying yet again.
I knew better…. why oh why did I think they would be right about this, either.
grrrrrrr
they suck.

so, not only were they wrong, they were involving totally random girls…

Stack is the man who approached my source, “Veronica (a pseudonym, to protect her identity),” via Twitter Direct Message to try and obtain information about Rep. Weiner. This contact produced only false information that was never used, but this contact, and his attempted contact with Veronica’s friend “Betty,” horrified these girls’ parents. If they only knew.

How did she become your source, Tommy? You contacted her, didn’t you?

Pablo said:
There seems to be a concerted effort to wave red flags and holler about the poor, poor children and how they’re being victimized by people talking to and about them in order to distract from the only reason and jailbait list exists is because Anthony Weiner created it by following them.

yea…there’s a part of me that agrees, that as minors they should not be attacked, or targeted, but they should not have their names and info on the web in the first place – for this very reason! (not saying because the did, they deserve it, just saying it is not smart, as minors. Especially with the sexy photos I saw many of them posted, but not sure if the sexy ones were minors.)

I wouldn’t want the Palin kids targeted (oh, yea, they are, all the time!) and I wouldn’t want the Obama kids harassed. But like I said, Hoft’s post didn’t provide any info that they didn’t provide themselves.
Kos, I don’t know, never saw it.

The parents should not have allowed them to post their real names, or locations. There are pervs out there. And who knows….they might have been followed by one!

But, I do agree that the target/story is/should be Weiner, and WHY the *jail bait list*.

still pissed i even considered they were telling the truth the girls were 20….grrrrrr

Why has this story become about everything _except_ Weiner being a lying douche?

winning said:
Why has this story become about everything _except_ Weiner being a lying douche?

Because deflection, digging up dirt and character assassination are part of the Leftist play book.

We all know Tommy is a big fan of the leftist but you would think the deal with KSO would make him wonder —WTF?

It appears that in the new morality of the neo-con, the only minors who should be “left alone” are Palin’s kids… even when they’re not minors anymore.

Everyone else, assuming they’re liberals, is fair game.

I also wonder why TC has gone to such lengths to inject himself into this story. This is supposed to be a media analysis site, yet Tommy has placed himself within almost from the beginning.

Darklady said:
It appears that in the new morality of the neo-con, the only minors who should be “left alone” are Palin’s kids… even when they’re not minors anymore.

No, conservatives also mostly think that you shouldn’t slaughter children in utero. You?

There’s no doubt that these websites should not have features these girls in their blogs. I don’t care whether their information was already public or not. If you put up all that info as attached to this story, they are going to be harassed. Bloggers know that They just don’t give a damn. Don’t read that Gateway blog. Don’t read Kos.

That’s the problem when politics becomes more important than people and more important than basic plain everyday honest. I frankly have a hard time believing that people like this care about anything or anyone other than having their own way.

The same with Dan Wolf and the other guy. Frankly, I wouldn’t want either of them walking my dog.

So let’s just get it all over and done with and say these people stink! They’re what makes politics and political discussion as cesspool in this country.

What else can be done but to say that?

Rep. Weiner, on the other hand, is acting like a weasel and he was elected to public office and he is ACCOUNTABLE in a way that the others are not.

(father of teen minors stands up, applauds Tommy, sits back down)

Sarah, pablo, oxy, ceci, etc…

The reason people like Dan Wolfe and Mike Stack exist in the world is because negligent, brainwashed hypocrits such as yourselves give their madness purpose and meaning.

READ THE STATEMENT FROM THE PARENTS, okay? JUST READ IT.

IF you can read that, and not feel some shame for your high-falootin’ self-deception, as expressed by al this nonsense you persistently cough out on this site, then I shudder to think that such amoral lunatics might actually be of voting age.

Sarah, when we talked about ACORN a year ago, you acted so disgusted by Juan Carlos Vera, the ACORN employee who called the cops on James and Hannah, but was wrongly smeared by him (and you) as a pedophile.

YOu vilified this FATHER on the basis of falsified evidence. At that time you seemed pretty certain that child-endagerment (in this case, a mirage you wanted to believe) was wrong.

But now you are so very accomodating and cavalier about it.

Here you are insisting that there is merit to the “evidence” from Mike Stack (a porn slinger who self-identifies as a “pervert”, and sexually harasses people online), and Dan Wolfe (a paranoid psychotic who hasnt the decency or backbone to come foreward.)

And while you sit here gleefully waffling down the fruits of child-endangerment, you completely neglect the clear and unequivocal statements that the victims and their parents have offered freely and openly.

I dont know how daft or drugged up any of you people have to be to accept the “evidence” from such criminal, predatory brutes, especially since the less evasive one claims that he can hack into peoples hard drives and mess with their personal info.

You might deserve to live in a society where creeps like Wolfe and Stack (through Breitbart) shape the politicla landscape through invasive harassment and falsified evidence, but the rest of us do not.

500K4Sarah2Speak said:
The reason people like Dan Wolfe and Mike Stack exist in the world is because negligent, brainwashed hypocrits such as yourselves give their madness purpose and meaning.

Do you mean madness like reading messages like these from “Veronica”?

mike we see whats going on with rep weiner. [betty] has caps of messages from gennette nicole DMs talking about flirting with weienr [sic]

she also has some rep weiner DMs she is willing to share if you can guarantee she is anonymous

she just wants to know how it will be worded? who will be named as the source?

so andrew and dana will say they themselves are the source? keep [Betty] and my names totally out of it?

you can say we are high school girls because that’s necessary for the story

the DMs with that girl gennette are between gennette and [Betty] with gennette telling her how she & weiner flirt

how they flirt on DM

then there are only 3 DMs from Weiner to [Betty] – they are pretty harmless actually. it is when she asked him to prom. that’s all she had

unfortunately she had already deleted the rest when he was accusing her and had [Ethel] harassing her

those were the worst of his tweets to [Betty] and [Ethel]s too

let me know when you are ready for the links – and download the pics instantly. [Betty] will delete within 5 minutes of saying you’re ready

u have permission to say high school girls were talking to college girl about rep weiner i can tell you how it went down as long as no names

we have the links for you mike. we ask that only you see these links not dana or andrew. just download the pics and send to them,

How is Stack talking to her any different from Tommy talking to her? How does this endanger these kids, if they are kids?

This is a must read:

More Weiner Messages to Young Girls? Evidence the Media Was Duped into Dropping the Investigation

http://tinyurl.com/3bbf6jd

I buy this scenario way more than the one now being told by the two girls, and their parents….

As for the *innocence* of these girls, they were willing to expose a sitting Congressman for inappropriate behavior, whether the evidence was real or not.

And this:

‘It’s Me’: Rep. Weiner Sends Playful Photo to New Friend

http://tinyurl.com/4x26knn

If this story unfolds like BG’s other stories, the pics and info are only going to get worse….

pablo, are you there? if so, leave me a comment on my medicare post (it will not post) with your email address. i want to ask you something.

New #Weinergate info revealed: Porn star Miss Ginger Lee appears to have gotten more than one private message from Weiner

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/06/new-weinergate-info-revealed-porn-star-miss-ginger-lee-appears-to-have-gotten-more-than-one-private-message-from-weiner/#ixzz1OUwVMNci

Evidently, the congressman has a lot of free time on his hands…

He selflessly…deplored the fact that this controversy was keeping him from his important business, and now we find out that he evidently has the time to chat up women on Twitter, even going as far as to allay one’s suspicions that he might be less than sincere…

It’s priceless

Done, Sara. Just like Weiner.

He so tweeted his unit. :)

It’s TweetDECK, Anthony, not TweetDICK.

Anyone see Tommy ?

Pablo, check your email.

Did that too. ‘Tis moi.

Ouch……

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/06/weinergate-grows-another-woman-provides-sex-messages-his-account

And just in case this seems to be late to the party piling on……it appears Lil’ Tony is quite the dog…..weiner dog possibly…..but dog from waaaay back is for certain…..

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2001/12/washington-interns200112