Marcus Bachmann Defends Clinic Against ‘Pray The Gay Away’ Charges

by Mark Joyella | 8:47 am, July 15th, 2011

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In a sign the campaign of Michele Bachmann wants to limit damage from reports about the Bachmann family clinic–and accusations it tries to use prayer to help homosexuals “pray the gay away”–the candidate’s husband Marcus has given an interview to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, saying that his treatment business is not focused on converting gays to heterosexuality. He also denied that he has ever called gay people barbarians.

“I think the strongest myth…is the myth that I have ever called a homosexual a barbarian,” Bachmann said, insisting he was talking about children who need discipline. “I was talking in reference to children. Nothing, nothing to do with homosexuality. That’s not my mindset. That’s not my belief system. That’s not the way I would talk,” Bachmann said.

As for an undercover video shot at the Bachmann clinic by activists, which seems to show clinic workers suggesting prayer as a means to resisting homosexual urges, Bachmann said his clinic does help clients who ask for help with same sex attraction, but that is not the focus of his business. “This individual came to us under a false pretense,” Bachmann said. “The truth of the matter is he specifically asked for help.”

This morning Politico’s Alexander Burns writes about the interview and what it reveals about the inner dynamics of the Bachmann campaign:

That Marcus Bachmann would go on the record to discuss these charges is likely a sign that his wife’s campaign views the issue as a real liability, even in the short term. The notion that Marcus Bachmann was involved in trying to “cure” homosexuality would presumably be most damaging to Michele Bachmann in a general election, or later down the primary calendar. But there’s also a circular nature to these things: Even some hard-line social conservatives who are sympathetic to Marcus Bachmann may balk at supporting someone who has been defined as unelectable and out of the mainstream.

Marcus Bachmann, Michele Bachmann, Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Politico

The Lantern of Truth

How nice for a man , a husband and father to be smeared by the media and especially by the lowlife slimeball ” comedian” Stewart .

Obama is running the dirtiest campaign in history .
THE REAL ROYAL KING

The Lantern of Truth said:
How nice for a man , a husband and father to be smeared by the media and especially by the lowlife slimeball ” comedian” Stewart .

Obama is running the dirtiest campaign in history .

Does schizophrenia run in your family?
THE REAL ROYAL KING

I suspect there is much more to come from the Odd Couple. And, I suspect, as Mad Michelle becomes more and more of a threat, Willard and T-Paw are going to be dumping tons and tons of the krap in our living and media rooms.
skponggol

So this fraud does not defend himself taking money from Medicaid and government funded healthcare program while his phony wife pander around the country opposing ObamaCare.

What a pair of crooks !
The Lantern of Truth

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I suspect

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I suspect

You’re very suspicious , Robert .

Does paranoia run in your family ?

Do noses run in your family ?
JunkJunk

So children are barbarians? I’m not sure that there’s a shoehorn big enough to cure his foot-in-mouth problem…

The audio recording speaks for itself.
skponggol

How much taxpayers’ money has this quack swindled from Medicaid to practise his fake therapy.
skponggol

” Homosexuals are not mere barbarians , they are part of Satan !”

Michele Bachmann Calls Gay People ‘Part of Satan’: AUDIO
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/bachmannsatan.html

Worse, Bachmann even call her very own step sister “part of Satan” becos she is a lesbian.
THE REAL ROYAL KING

JunkJunk said:
So children are barbarians? I’m not sure that there’s a shoehorn big enough to cure his foot-in-mouth problem…

The audio recording speaks for itself.

That did strike me as a very odd thing to say. I’ve long thought that the Anti-Abortion Klan, which care ever so much about the fœtus is ready to drop the child as soon as it is born, but I think with Marcus it is simply another case of wild, erratic statements. Frankly, I think among his Klan and the larger Republican family, simply saying, “Yes, gay people are barbarians.,” would have sold much better.
Girth Brick

The Lantern of Truth said:
How nice for a man , a husband and father to be smeared by the media and especially by the lowlife slimeball ” comedian” Stewart .

Obama is running the dirtiest campaign in history .

So Obama attacked this nice gay Medicaid fraudster?

When?

Oh, you are a conservative and therefore just make your own facts up.
catfishjuggling show

That dude is gay.
glenn113

http://blogs.trb.com/news/opinion/chanlowe/blog/2011/07/chan_lowe_michele_bachmanns_th.html
Cecelia

‘As for an undercover video shot at the Bachmann clinic by activists, which seems to show clinic workers suggesting prayer as a means to resisting homosexual urges, Bachmann said his clinic does help clients who ask for help with same sex attraction, but that is not the focus of his business. “This individual came to us under a false pretense,” Bachmann said. “The truth of the matter is he specifically asked for help.”’

You’d certainly find a lot of Christian layman, Christian counselors, and Christian priests and ministers who would give exactly the same advice if approached by someone claiming to want help because their sexual urges were not in conformity with their religious beliefs.

Not all, but most.

It’s the nature of politics for the media and the collective intelligentsia to suddenly feign amnesia over such facts, even while they blithely affirm that religion should not impede any political candidate… (most generally, when disavowing some anti-Muslim sentiment)…
THE REAL ROYAL KING

Cecelia said:
‘As for an undercover video shot at the Bachmann clinic by activists, which seems to show clinic workers suggesting prayer as a means to resisting homosexual urges, Bachmann said his clinic does help clients who ask for help with same sex attraction, but that is not the focus of his business. “This individual came to us under a false pretense,” Bachmann said. “The truth of the matter is he specifically asked for help.”’

You’d certainly find a lot of Christian layman, Christian counselors, and Christian priests and ministers who would give exactly the same advice if approached by someone claiming to want help because their sexual urges were not in conformity with their religious beliefs.

Not all, but most.

It’s the nature of politics for the media and the collective intelligentsia to suddenly feign amnesia over such facts, even while they blithely affirm that religion should not impede any political candidate… (most generally, when disavowing some anti-Muslim sentiment)…

Uh huh.

Of course, this was a CLINIC and the help sought was THERAPEUTIC. It would be like unto someone going to an attorney with a summons and the attorney mixing up a magical potion.
Thelonious Funk

Could they pray my nephew to be a couple inches taller? He really wants to ride the roller coasters at the amusement park.
Just4thefax

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Does schizophrenia run in your family?

Fact: Robert look Gays do need prayer for their deformaties. You are a troglodyte with assburgers.
Newsjunky

“Even some hard-line social conservatives who are sympathetic to Marcus Bachmann may balk at supporting someone who has been defined as unelectable and out of the mainstream.”

LMAO – she already IS unelectable and fringe. She has zero chance of winning a general election. None. So, I hope the right wing, pray the gay away bible-thumping, ultra conservatives keep pushing her through the primary process.
Just4thefax

skponggol said:
So this fraud does not defend himself taking money from Medicaid and government funded healthcare program while his phony wife pander around the country opposing ObamaCare. What a pair of crooks !

Fact: Bachmanns are a good respectful family and you would see it if you had morals but democrats didn’t get God blessings on that item!
BlueBunny

catfishjuggling show said:
That dude is gay.

AGREE ! HE IS A TYPICAL CONSERVATIVE GAY MAN WHO HAS TO LIE AND HIDE WHO HE IS! UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT THAT IS!
Greg

Can’t wait for Rick Perry to jump in… He has even bigger problems.

https://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god
Just4thefax

Fact: Gay rod rats will fight on this post for a chance at looking normal but I just can’t see them getting any traction.
BlueBunny

Just4thefax said:
need prayer for their deformaties

YOU NEED PRAYER FOR YOUR DEFORMITIES! THOSE WHO BELIEVE PLEASE PRAY FOR JUST4THEFAX! A SAD VERY SMALL MINDED HUMAN!
BlueBunny

Just4thefax said:
looking normal

WE CAN ALL SEE BY YOUR PHOTO YOU ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO LOOK “NORMAL”!
Just4thefax

BlueBunny said:
YOU NEED PRAYER FOR YOUR DEFORMITIES! THOSE WHO BELIEVE PLEASE PRAY FOR JUST4THEFAX! A SAD VERY SMALL MINDED HUMAN!

Fact: Look at the gay bunny step in to the fire line. hahahahahaha………………
BlueBunny

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Look at the gay bunny step in to the fire line. hahahahahaha………………

NOT EVERYONE IS GAY! YOU MUST BE A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL TO BE PROTESTING SO MUCH!COME OUT OF THE CLOSET JUST4THEFAX!
Just4thefax

BlueBunny said:
NOT EVERYONE IS GAY! YOU MUST BE A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL TO BE PROTESTING SO MUCH!COME OUT OF THE CLOSET JUST4THEFAX!

Fact: No just don’t understand their malfunction. That’s it!
Yukon Jack

After watching Jon Stewart with Bill O’Reilley a while back, I made the mistake of thinking that Jon may have an eeny, tiny redeeming quality. This show destroyed that, totally.

This punk is the bribed, paid, adoring, slobbering, slimy, slippery slave of 0bama.
david r

Poofter.
Yukon Jack

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I suspect there is much more to come from the Odd Couple. And, I suspect, as Mad Michelle becomes more and more of a threat, Willard and T-Paw are going to be dumping tons and tons of the krap in our living and media rooms.

Odd couple, like Stewart and Seinfeld?
BlueBunny

Just4thefax said:
just don’t understand their malfunction.

YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR OWN MALFUNCTIONS! I AM SURE BACHMANN WILL GREET YOU WITH OPEN ARMS!
Yukon Jack

skponggol said:
So this fraud does not defend himself taking money from Medicaid and government funded healthcare program while his phony wife pander around the country opposing ObamaCare.

What a pair of crooks !

Call them fraud and crooks after you have some evidence that they kept any money for themselves. The government grant was used – to the last penny – for the purpose it was intended.
Cecelia

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Uh huh.

Of course, this was a CLINIC and the help sought was THERAPEUTIC. It would be like unto someone going to an attorney with a summons and the attorney mixing up a magical potion.

Actually, Marcus Bachmann owns a CHRISTIAN counseling service, a specific genre within the counseling community.

Therapy within a religious context is the standard of such a practice.

http://www.bachmanncounseling.com/

At the site, the therapy is billed to potential clients as “quality Christian counseling”.

The incorporation of prayer within that practice could not come as a surprise to anyone.
Just4thefax

BlueBunny said:
YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR OWN MALFUNCTIONS! I AM SURE BACHMANN WILL GREET YOU WITH OPEN ARMS!

Fact: Just putting out the facts bunghole that’s just the facts. Bachmanns are great people and would work out well in the WhiteHouse!
TheBiggestBrax

I guess I need to have my lying ears checked. You did call them barbarians! Man-up dude.
Cecelia

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Willard and T-Paw are going to be dumping tons and tons of the krap in our living and media rooms.

Actually, this issue has come about through the release of undercover video tapes to ABC News, from gay activist John Becker.
BlueBunny

Just4thefax said:
bunghole

NICE! IS THIS WHAT A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL LIKE YOURSELF USES AS LOVE WORDS! YOU ARE SUCH A JOKE HOODMAN! SO SAD YOU HATE YOURSELF SO MUCH!
Cecelia

Yukon Jack said:
After watching Jon Stewart with Bill O’Reilley a while back, I made the mistake of thinking that Jon may have an eeny, tiny redeeming quality. This show destroyed that, totally.

If by “redeeming quality” you mean any penchant toward conservatism or even treating it as a viable or arguable ideology, you will be sorely disappointed with Jon Stewart.

Stewart will take on Democrats, but from a liberal (not leftist) position, only. He may chide them for over-reaching, but he won’t challenge liberalism.

Conservatives keep pressing their noses against the window hoping for that day.

Don’t. Just enjoy the guy for the smart and funny man that he is, regardless of his misguided politics.
Republicans Are Liars

skponggol said:
So this fraud does not defend himself taking money from Medicaid and government funded healthcare program while his phony wife pander around the country opposing ObamaCare. What a pair of crooks !

Don’t forget about the farm subsidies from their Pig Farm! They have so much government money coming into them they don’t know which way is up. These hypocrit, phony pieces os self-rightous dung should STF up.
Republicans Are Liars

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Just putting out the facts bunghole that’s just the facts. Bachmanns are great people and would work out well in the WhiteHouse!

No wonder you wear a mask or an incon that wears a mask.
felixw

Heaven forbid that someone might pray for help in changing his life.

The intense hatred of the Left for religion is reaching new lows….and is in stark contrast to the whole spirit of religious tolerance on which this nation was built. But in this instance, the liberals have gone off the deep end. They are full of rage at the idea that someone might pray to lead a straight life. But if a person went to a clinic for a “Chaz Bono” operation, they would stand up and cheer. Welcome to the American Left and its priorities!

By all means, let the voters decide next year whether Left or Right is more in touch with America.
writer

If no one was gay, how would Robert keep his hair salon open?
Cecelia

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Of course, this was a CLINIC and the help sought was THERAPEUTIC. It would be like unto someone going to an attorney with a summons and the attorney mixing up a magical potion.

By the way, to many people prayer is not something to be likened to a “magical potion”, ie witchcraft.

To them, prayer is the breath of life. It is comfort and the hope of regeneration via communion with the giver of all life.

John Becker came to a designated Christian counseling center confessing that his sexual desires conflicted with his religious dictates. That the man was seeking advice and prayer would be assumed, in the way it would not be assumed that he was seeking medication or… ECT…
Greg

felixw said:
The intense hatred of the Left for religion is reaching new lows….and is in stark contrast to the whole spirit of religious tolerance on which this nation was built. But in this instance, the liberals have gone off the deep end. They are full of rage at the idea that someone might pray to lead a straight life. But if a person went to a clinic for a “Chaz Bono” operation, they would stand up and cheer. Welcome to the American Left and its priorities!

IMHO it is the religious right with hate for the nation… Remember that the Bachmann’s have used terms like barbarians and Satan to refer to the attitudes and actions of their fellow citizens, precisely because they imagine themselves under divine guidance… Such an attitude of pure unflinching superiority has led to desire for an evangelical takeover of the nation… A plan for radical remake of the nation based on adherence to ancient principal… They are the radicals filled with hate for what they imagine to be an evil and declining nation.

https://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god
Just4thefax

Fact: Gays should all move to the rear of NY were they can fit in each other!
2012freedom

BlueBunny said:
NICE! IS THIS WHAT A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL LIKE YOURSELF USES AS LOVE WORDS! YOU ARE SUCH A JOKE HOODMAN! SO SAD YOU HATE YOURSELF SO MUCH!

Dude, stop with the all caps.
2012freedom

Greg said:
IMHO it is the religious right with hate for the nation… Remember that the Bachmann’s have used terms like barbarians and Satan to refer to the attitudes and actions of their fellow citizens, precisely because they imagine themselves under divine guidance… Such an attitude of pure unflinching superiority has led to desire for an evangelical takeover of the nation… A plan for radical remake of the nation based on adherence to ancient principal… They are the radicals filled with hate for what they imagine to be an evil and declining nation.

I think you need to pray more. You sound very angry. God can help you.
CosmosDan

No audio huh? Too bad I wanted to hear his voice again.

I think the technicality he’s using to say they don’t practice repairitive therapy is that they don’t force it on gay clients who don’t want to be gay. It seems they do practice it on clients who come in with concerns or doubts about their sexual identity. Even in those cases it’s still and discredited and potentially dangerous practice. I noticed that the activist who got the video said his counselor never discussed options with him or other types of therapy.

Marcus and Michelle may have good intentions but that doesn’t excuse the harm they do.
CosmosDan

Cecelia says:
Stewart will take on Democrats, but from a liberal (not leftist) position, only. He may chide them for over-reaching, but he won’t challenge liberalism.

Maybe he simply expresses his personal beliefs on individual issues. He doesn’t attack conservatives as a group. He’s said that most average folks are not all one or the other. That’s an accurate observation.
Nature Freak

Greg said:
IMHO it is the religious right with hate for the nation… Remember that the Bachmann’s have used terms like barbarians and Satan to refer to the attitudes and actions of their fellow citizens, precisely because they imagine themselves under divine guidance… Such an attitude of pure unflinching superiority has led to desire for an evangelical takeover of the nation… A plan for radical remake of the nation based on adherence to ancient principal… They are the radicals filled with hate for what they imagine to be an evil and declining nation.

https://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god

Thank you for posting this link Greg. Moderate Republicans as well as Libertarians everywhere need to read this story.

What ever happened to presidential candidates such as Lamar Alexander, Bob Dole, or Howard Baker?
One may disagree with them, but at least they were adults in the room.

The religious Right is overplaying their hand big time.
Nature Freak

Check out this Bachmann parody. The flashy red underwear is a nice touch.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bthesite/the-ridiculous-report-blog/bal-more-marcus-bachmann-parodies-20110
Warrenlee

this guy is gay as a three dollar bill
Greg

2012freedom said:
I think you need to pray more. You sound very angry. God can help you.

I’m the least angry fellow you interact with… I’m like a cool, laid back Ned Flanders… Let’s just hope Homer doesn’t show up and install any load bearing posters.
Cecelia

CosmosDan said:
Marcus and Michelle may have good intentions but that doesn’t excuse the harm they do.

Well, it’s the same sort of “harm” done by traditional Christianity for a couple thousand years.

If there’s a problem with combining counseling within a religious parameter, that needs to be taken up within the scientific community.

If having traditional Christian beliefs and certainly having them within the context of a expressly billed religiously oriented business, is to be considered a political liability, then that point needs to be expressly made.
Cecelia

Warrenlee said:
this guy is gay as a three dollar bill

Why would that matter?

If it were the case, and Mr. Bachmann is not having sex with men, then he is living ENTIRELY within the context of what he believes.

He wouldn’t be just saying it… he’d be doing it.
Greg

Nature Freak said:
Thank you for posting this link Greg. Moderate Republicans as well as Libertarians everywhere need to read this story.

What ever happened to presidential candidates such as Lamar Alexander, Bob Dole, or Howard Baker?
One may disagree with them, but at least they were adults in the room.

The religious Right is overplaying their hand big time.

I agree… A bad idea on it’s face to mix governance of a modern nation with fundamentalism… and problematic to put people who see demons into positions of authority. Guess we will see how far they advance, but I am guessing that in the information age the best they will muster will be a brief tidal surge.
writer

This would be less problematic if Bachmann were Muslim.
BoomShakalaka

This guy is so very gay,so very very gay ,it’s funny as hell….

This barbarian needs to be educated for sure…he needs a good spanking..
Cecelia

writer said:
This would be less problematic if Bachmann were Muslim.

Well, she’s have to be a Democrat too.
timzank

writer said:
This would be less problematic if Bachmann were Muslim.

If she were Muslim the libs would hold the rope for her to hang them. Killing homosexuals is cool for Muslims, trying to help them with Christian prayer is barbaric.

That’s how the left rolls.
Warrenlee

Cecelia said:
Why would that matter? If it were the case, and Mr. Bachmann is not having sex with men, then he is living ENTIRELY within the context of what he believes. He wouldn’t be just saying it… he’d be doing it.

One doth protest too much. He should embrace his homosexuality, instead of fighting it every second of the day. You only live once man.
Bill Huggins

LOVE IT when people deny saying things when their words ARE CLEARLY ON TAPE

HIS DOUBLETALK IS HILAAAAARRRIOUS!!!
Cecelia

Greg said:
I agree… A bad idea on it’s face to mix governance of a modern nation with fundamentalism… and problematic to put people who see demons into positions of authority. Guess we will see how far they advance, but I am guessing that in the information age the best they will muster will be a brief tidal surge.

I have no problem with any “information” being available in the Information Age…

My desire is that in informing the public, such issues are billed as being precisely what they are: The argument that traditional religious beliefs are a danger in the conscience and practice of any political class.
timzank

Bill Huggins said:
LOVE IT when people deny saying things when their words ARE CLEARLY ON TAPE HIS DOUBLETALK IS HILAAAAARRRIOUS!!!

Which part is on tape, can ya link it?
Cecelia

Warrenlee said:
One doth protest too much. He should embrace his homosexuality, instead of fighting it every second of the day. You only live once man.

And then you’d get to call him a hypocrite.
timzank

Warrenlee said:
One doth protest too much. He should embrace his homosexuality, instead of fighting it every second of the day. You only live once man.

We’re happy you’ve embraced your homosexuality, that doesn’t mean everyone else is gay though you may wish it.
BoomShakalaka

timzank said:
Which part is on tape, can ya link it?

Well you can find it right here on this very site dude?…..

You’re welcome.
timzank

BoomShakalaka said:
Well you can find it right here on this very site dude?….. You’re welcome.

I need you to point out for me where he lied (the doublespeak).
writer

So if a gay person is happy with being gay, that’s great. But if he’s unhappy with it, he should learn to be happy with it and not try anything else.
Warrenlee

timzank said:
We’re happy you’ve embraced your homosexuality, that doesn’t mean everyone else is gay though you may wish it.

I’m not gay, happily married. But if I was, I wouldn’t be ashamed of it.
Bill Huggins

timzank said:
I need you to point out for me where he lied (the doublespeak).

Why don’t you read the article before you try and comment.

“I DIDN’T MEAN HOMOS WERE BARBARIANS; I MEANT CHILDREN!!!!!!”

HILARIOUS
Bill Huggins

Then someone posted the link where MICHELLE calls gay people barbarians too.

I mean:

Come on, man. Don’t play stupid blind CON
Cecelia

Bill Huggins said:
“I DIDN’T MEAN HOMOS WERE BARBARIANS; I MEANT CHILDREN!!!!!!”

HILARIOUS

Children that are untaught and unsocialized ARE barbarians.
writer

Anyone unhappy with their situation should never be counseled to change it. Like when Chastity Bono told doctors she was unhappy as a girl, they should have told her “Learn to live with it.”
Cecelia

Bill Huggins said:
Then someone posted the link where MICHELLE calls gay people barbarians too.

Please post that link, if you don’t mind.

Because there’s so much about Mr. Bachmann, I’m having trouble finding it.
timzank

Bill Huggins said:
Why don’t you read the article before you try and comment. “I DIDN’T MEAN HOMOS WERE BARBARIANS; I MEANT CHILDREN!!!!!!” HILARIOUS

show me the link where he says “I didn’t mean homos”
timzank

Bill Huggins said:
Then someone posted the link where MICHELLE calls gay people barbarians too. I mean: Come on, man. Don’t play stupid blind CON

I need you to post it. You need to back up claims with proof when you say them.
timzank

Huggins, if you’re getting paid to post, you need to use links and proof. Driveby’s just make you a troll.
Bill Huggins

timzank said:
I need you to post it. You need to back up claims with proof when you say them.

Wasn’t too hard to find off the FIRST PAGE:

“” Homosexuals are not mere barbarians , they are part of Satan !”

Michele Bachmann Calls Gay People ‘Part of Satan’: AUDIO
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/bachmannsatan.html

Worse, Bachmann even call her very own step sister “part of Satan” becos she is a lesbian.
”

ENJOY!!!!!
Bill Huggins

timzank said:
Huggins, if you’re getting paid to post, you need to use links and proof. Driveby’s just make you a troll.

You must not be familiar with BILL HUGGINS

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHhhHa
Nature Freak

Next at the family clinic:

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50 percent off!
Also a two for one special on Trepanning, Bloodletting and Phrenology.
Limited time only. Act now!
Next week: two for one exorcisms.
Bill Huggins

timzank said:
Huggins, if you’re getting paid to post, you need to use links and proof. Driveby’s just make you a troll.

Likewise: if you’re going to post: FIRST READ THE ARTICLE YOU’RE POSTING ABOUT
Nature Freak

Bill Huggins said:
You must not be familiar with BILL HUGGINS

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHhhHa

I have been accused of being a paid poster on this site.
LOL!
I wish I was. I could use the extra income.
writer

Chastity, it’s completely normal to be a girl. Lots of people are girls. Don’t try to change.
Cecelia

Nature Freak said:
I have been accused of being a paid poster on this site.
LOL!
I wish I was. I could use the extra income.

I think it’s fair to say that you most certainly aren’t being paid for commenting.
Nature Freak

Bill Huggins said:
Likewise: if you’re going to post: FIRST READ THE ARTICLE YOU’RE POSTING ABOUT

There are people here who think Man walked with the dinosaurs.
Nature Freak

Cecelia said:
I think it’s fair to say that you most certainly aren’t being paid for commenting.

seek (and a couple of others) thinks I am.
LOL!
I have seen this accusation thrown out on occasion towards people on the left here. Some need to be more creative regarding their insults. (Your insult was at least somewhat funny).
writer

The Bangles thought people should walk like Egyptians.
Nature Freak

Cecelia said:
I think it’s fair to say that you most certainly aren’t being paid for commenting.

writer said:
The Bangles thought people should walk like Egyptians.

The Bangles were right.
Cecelia

Bill Huggins said:
Wasn’t too hard to find off the FIRST PAGE:

“” Homosexuals are not mere barbarians , they are part of Satan !”

Michele Bachmann Calls Gay People ‘Part of Satan’: AUDIO
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/bachmannsatan.html

Worse, Bachmann even call her very own step sister “part of Satan” becos she is a lesbian.

Well, who ever denied that Michelle Bachmann thinks homosexual acts are sinful?

I didn’t hear her call homosexuals barbarians or satanic. She said the term “gay” was of Satan because it belies what she considers to be the sadness of the gay lifestyle.

You don’t have to agree with her or with the Apostle Paul… But you don’t have to misquote the Bachmann’s either.

The fact that they hold traditional Christian beliefs should be ENOUGH to make your point.
Cecelia

Nature Freak said:
(Your insult was at least somewhat funny)

Thanks– somewhat.
Nature Freak

Nature Freak said:
The Bangles were right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nuhja7y4TM&feature=related
Looks fun to me!
The Fifth dynasty of Egypt knew how to walk well and party hard.
writer

It’s still unknown if Egyptians walk that way from birth, or if they choose to do it.
felixw

Greg said:
They are the radicals filled with hate for what they imagine to be an evil and declining nation.

I’m sorry that people praying enrages you so much. You ought to go protest some Alcoholics Anonymous meetings while you are at it. How dare they acknowledge a higher power in trying to stay sober! Same with all the other faith-based rehab programs, that have helped millions of people turn their lives around. Then go show me all the people who rehabbed by reading Darwin.
Cecelia

“I am not here bashing people who are homosexuals, who are lesbians, who are bisexual, who are transgendered. We need to have profound compassion for the people who are dealing with the very real issue of sexual dysfunction in their life, and sexual identity disorders. This is a very real issue. It’s not funny, it’s sad. Any of you who have members of your family that are in the lifestyle—we have a member of our family that is. This is not funny. It’s a very sad life. It’s part of Satan, I think, to say this is gay. It’s anything but gay.”

Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/bachmannsatan.html#ixzz1SC6k9wBb

It’s never enough that you find it hideously evil when people don’t view homosexuals as some sort of SPECIES in their own right… who stands next to the equal and opposite “species” of people who desire the sort of coitus your mommy and daddy had… you’ve also got to twist their words to prove the point…
murphy0071

Bachmann and her husband are both liars and perverts. What do you expect from that whore?
Nature Freak

Cecelia said:
Thanks– somewhat.

Actually it was funny.
Regarding the Bachmann’s I do not believe they are bad people. They may be well meaning. But I disagree with their religious practices. It is relevant to me. And running for POTUS means you need to be vetted(BTW Obama detractors have the right to criticize him). I myself believe in some sort of God or “higher power”. But I disagree with the Bachmann’s world view.

And is Marcus Bachmann gay? I suspect he may be. Other opinions will differ. Marcus is a public figure now, and people will be curious. He should have known his clinic would be a lightning rod of controversy.
glenn113

Greg said:
Can’t wait for Rick Perry to jump in… He has even bigger problems. https://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god

your telling me!
glenn113

Nature Freak said:
Thank you for posting this link Greg. Moderate Republicans as well as Libertarians everywhere need to read this story. What ever happened to presidential candidates such as Lamar Alexander, Bob Dole, or Howard Baker?One may disagree with them, but at least they were adults in the room. The religious Right is overplaying their hand big time.

Again though. Let’s not jump to conclusions until we have the facts. Just because World Nut Daily does it, doesn’t mean we should.
Cecelia

Nature Freak said:
Actually it was funny.
Regarding the Bachmann’s I do not believe they are bad people. They may be well meaning. But I disagree with their religious practices. It is relevant to me. And running for POTUS means you need to be vetted(BTW Obama detractors have the right to criticize him). I myself believe in some sort of God or “higher power”. But I disagree with the Bachmann’s world view.

And is Marcus Bachmann gay? I suspect he may be. Other opinions will differ. Marcus is a public figure now, and people will be curious. He should have known his clinic would be a lightning rod of controversy.

Anyone can differ with anyone about their religious practices, but let’s hope that they’ll be as honest as you in stating that this is the problem.

Let’s not pretend that Christian counseling centers are something new or that religious dictates against same-sex sex are new and revolutionary either.

As to Mr. Bachmann’s sexuality, people can question all they wish, what they can’t do is to simultaneously argue is that it’s hypocritical to practice what you preach. They can’t argue that Mr. Bachmann has no moral authority because he hasn’t walked a mile in those uber-fashionable Armani monks straps… AND that he still has no moral coinage if he IS walking that precise path of self-denial (albeit in less devastatingly beautiful kicks…)
shootfromthehip

Bachmann is made of fail. End of story.
CosmosDan

Cecelia says:
Anyone can differ with anyone about their religious practices, but let’s hope that they’ll be as honest as you in stating that this is the problem.

Let’s not pretend that Christian counseling centers are something new or that religious dictates against same-sex sex are new and revolutionary either.

true. But even a Christian counseling center ought to be using approved methods rather than something that has been widely discredited and called dangerous.

Personally , I think the Christian teaching that being gay is evil, a sin, an abomination, is indoctrinated bigotry that has caused incredible harm to society. It needs to be actively opposed. Thankfully some Christians and denominations have rejected that belief and welcome gays for who they are.
CosmosDan

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Bachmann said. “The truth of the matter is he specifically asked for help.”’

Did he? There is a difference between “Help me to stop being gay” and “I have these feelings and I’m confused and don’t know what to do about them”

Even if it was the former, as a professional counseling service you have an ethical obligation to offer accredited rather than discredited therapy.
Cecelia

CosmosDan said:
Even if it was the former, as a professional counseling service you have an ethical obligation to offer accredited rather than discredited therapy.

Within the standards and practices of Christian counseling, what makes you think that Bachmann’s center didn’t?
2012freedom

Bill Huggins said:
Michele Bachmann Calls Gay People ‘Part of Satan’: AUDIO

No she didn’t. She said calling it “gay” is part of Satan. She was talking about how people laugh about it as in the original meaning of “gay” being fun. She said it isn’t funny. She did not say that homosexuals were part of Satan.
Nachi

What great modern Christians these people are!! A regular Republican dream-cum-true.!
Cecelia

Nachi said:
What great modern Christians these people are!! A regular Republican dream-cum-true.!

You’d have probably disliked the original ones even more.
CosmosDan

Cecelia says:
Within the standards and practices of Christian counseling, what makes you think that Bachmann’s center didn’t?

I’m not sure the standards would be that different except that I would expect prayer and the Bible be a part of it if the person was a believer. It’s a for profit licensed business. Repairitive therapy, or conversion therapy, is discredited by most mental health professionals and considered potentially dangerous. That appears to be what they’re doing. They don’t get a pass because they’re Christian.
CosmosDan

2012freedom says:
No she didn’t. She said calling it “gay” is part of Satan. She was talking about how people laugh about it as in the original meaning of “gay” being fun. She said it isn’t funny. She did not say that homosexuals were part of Satan.

That’s true. She also said she thought most, if not all , homosexuals had been subjects of some kind of abuse. I guess she didn’t realize that the churches attitude fosters some of that abuse.
Cecelia

CosmosDan said:
I’m not sure the standards would be that different except that I would expect prayer and the Bible be a part of it if the person was a believer. It’s a for profit licensed business. Repairitive therapy, or conversion therapy, is discredited by most mental health professionals and considered potentially dangerous. That appears to be what they’re doing. They don’t get a pass because they’re Christian.

You’d have a hard time labeling prayer as being conversion therapy.
http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Addington/1271037025 John Addington

You twit, you’ve just sunk your wife’s run for President. And are you gay, or just pretending for the TV cameras?
Cecelia

John Addington said:
You twit, you’ve just sunk your wife’s run for President. And are you gay, or just pretending for the TV cameras?

Oh, he’s just pretending for the tv cameras. It’s all a plot to make you look more of a hypocrite than you truly are.
Rokker

How long before we find out Marcus has been hiring male prostitutes like that other phony Haggard?
Cecelia

Rokker said:
How long before we find out Marcus has been hiring male prostitutes like that other phony Haggard?

You can only hope.

And hoping for the worst in people is something that is intrinsic to you, I’ve no doubt.
LAPhil

Cecelia said:
You can only hope. And hoping for the worst in people is something that is intrinsic to you, I’ve no doubt.

Thank you. I was starting to figure you for a liberal, but now I don’t think you’re that easy to pin down.
CosmosDan

Cecelia says:
You’d have a hard time labeling prayer as being conversion therapy.

Depends on what you’re praying for doesn’t it?

“The American Psychological Association defines conversion therapy as therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation.The American Psychiatric Association states that conversion therapy is a type of psychiatric treatment “based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that a patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

If you’re telling someone to pray and read the Bible so they won’t be gay, that’s conversion therapy. If a minister does it that’s one thing. If a for profit licensed counseling service does it, that’s another.

You can’t justify it by saying it’s Christian , or that their people went there voluntarily, or that they asked for help. If an anorexic went there and said she thought she was fat and wanted to eat less, you wouldn’t help her accomplish that, through prayer or any other means. It’s a discredited and potentially dangerous practice, that is both unethical and unprofessional. As a professional counselor you have some obligation to know the current science on mental health.
Cecelia

LAPhil said:
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Thank you. I was starting to figure you for a liberal, but now I don’t think you’re that easy to pin down.

Well I’m not an obvious sockpuppet like Rokker.

I am THAT easy to pin down.
Cecelia

CosmosDan said:
Depends on what you’re praying for doesn’t it?

“The American Psychological Association defines conversion therapy as therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation.The American Psychiatric Association states that conversion therapy is a type of psychiatric treatment “based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that a patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy

If you’re telling someone to pray and read the Bible so they won’t be gay, that’s conversion therapy. If a minister does it that’s one thing. If a for profit licensed counseling service does it, that’s another.

You can’t justify it by saying it’s Christian , or that their people went there voluntarily, or that they asked for help. If an anorexic went there and said she thought she was fat and wanted to eat less, you wouldn’t help her accomplish that, through prayer or any other means. It’s a discredited and potentially dangerous practice, that is both unethical and unprofessional. As a professional counselor you have some obligation to know the current science on mental health.

No, conversion therapy is expressly about sexuality, so anorexics won’t quality.

In other words, for your sake, anorexics may pray and be pray about all day long…

I’m afraid conversion therapy must have a modality other than what would qualify as wishful thinking.

Good luck with characterizing THAT as malpractice.
ChrisVogel

It is argued in other comments that this (and any) “christian counselling centre” should not use discredited, unprofessional and destructive methods, which is evidently what they were doing, since, bottom line, they were pretending that they could alter sexual orientation. But for all that, do “christian counselling centres” have any other option? Everything they do, apparently, is based on a bunch of ridiculous fabrications, based on nothing better than more-or-less superstitious convictions having nothing to do with reality. The nicest thing that could be said about them, and other church-related institutions–is that they no longer use their traditional methods–because modern secular governments do not permit them–of dealing with difference: torture and mass murder.
CosmosDan

Cecelia says:
No, conversion therapy is expressly about sexuality, so anorexics won’t quality.

I didn’t say they did. That was an example to show the unethical nature of conversion therapy. No responsible counselor would help an anorexic lose weight just because she said that’s what she wanted. No responsible counselor should try to change someone’s sexual orientation, even if the client says that’s what they want.

Some posters have tried to defend it by saying, it’s Christian , or , the people went there voluntarily, and they said they didn’t want to be gay. None of that defends the discredited practice. A counselors ethical and professional obligation is the mental health of the patient. Using a discredited method isn’t doing that.
Kermit

Backmann and her husband are insane…. plain and simple… Who in their right mind would vote for her?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Kennedy/1439463341 Bruce

Would somebody explain to me why any Public figure would deny, to the Press, something they clearly did. Now I could go on and on about recent denials by Conservative candidates, who have tried to deny things the Press knew full well they had done. But let’s go back to one of the earliest cases of this. One that should be the example, from which all should learn. Back when Gary Hart, Democratic Presidential hopleful was confronted by the Press accusing him of having an extra marital affair. Not only did he deny the accusations, but dared the Press to prove it. This was the epitome of ignorance. The Press accepted the challenge and filmed Mr. Hart entering a Motel with a woman, who clearly was not his wife, and they filmed him leaving with her. I don’t believe anyone could be more ignorant, than to challenge the Press. GET A CLUE! This what they do for a living. They welcome the challenge. One of my favorites was one I may have told before. The acting General Manager of the San Diego Padres, baseball team, came out of his suite at Jack Murphy stadium, during a game, and for some unknown reason gave the Padre fans the “Bird”. I don’t remember his name, but it should be “Einstein”. Because when confronted by the Press as to his motive for such an action, he promptly denied ever having done it. I can’t tell you how many times, locally, they aired the clip of him giving the fans the “Bird”. Had he said something sensible like “I plead temporary insanity”. That would not have stopped the media from showing the clip, but they may have stopped showing it after only one day. As it was, that clip lasted a week. And you wonder why politicians are so screwed up. Because they are just us, with bigger egos. Oh some of them have degrees from Occidental College, but all in all, they are just us.
http://twitter.com/parlorfix Sandy Miguel

Crazy. Something else that’s related to this news is this web series about stereotypical gay guy on YouTube. Believe me, it gets better. http://youtu.be/NBFlc-RP9M0
Cstevenson92

Lovely how us “Gays” should be sent off to be secluded from what is called normal. How are any of these candidates going to run this country they are all to worried about what we are and what this country needs to become. Its honestly immature, were we not raised to be kind to others. There is no fair equal rights for no one. so much for equal opportunity. I Have been in a relationship with a guy for 7 months now. So that’s more then even most married Couples can say.It just idk people are crazy and need a little guidance.
Cstevenson92

People if you are gay you cant change that. You are born that way. You need to except who you are and take control of your own life’s. This is sad. If we can’t except our self’s then how can we ask other’s to.
Anonymous

Kermit, nobody in their right mind would, but frighteningly there are a lot of insane assholes who vote…
Anonymous

There was a time, long ago, when I would have paid handsomely for a bit of whatever you are smoking.
Revwarboy

Not all Christians are homophobes. Alot of gays are Christian, some of my friends are. The point is you can’t blame Jesus for bigots in the church. There are bigots in every institution of man