Off topic, but when is Mediaite going to kill the Parker-Spitzer side banners on the front page? They make me a little nauseous.

In O’Donnell’s and Behar’s world –

If you say anything remotely derogatory about Islam, you are an insensitive bigot.
If you say anything remotely insulting about Christianity, you are a comedic genius.

They are bigots of the worst kind.

I guess journalists should stop saying “alleged” suspect as well.
The “folks” know what is meant and real reporters can’t be bothered with all these politically correct details. Most of them are guilty bad people amirite?

Bill keeps on deflecting the issue with what goes on in other Muslim countries but ignores the fact that he is lumping decent Americans together with those overseas extreme Islamic scumbags. They deserve better than that. Muslim Americans dies on 9/11, are helping fight 2 wars and are just being all-around good citizens. They deserve a little fucking political correctness.

Remeber…this is about our fellow Americans…not about those who cheered on 9/11. I don’t give a flying fuck about those people, but I do care about the message our media sends to it’s own citizens.

Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democrats (CDU), Merkel said allowing people of different cultural backgrounds to live side by side without integrating had not worked in a country that is home to some four million Muslims.

“This (multicultural) approach has failed, utterly failed,” Merkel told the meeting in Potsdam, south of Berlin.

Merkel faces pressure from within her CDU to take a tougher line on immigrants who don’t show a willingness to adapt to German society and her comments appeared intended to pacify her critics.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE69F19T20101016

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Remeber…this is about our fellow Americans…not about those who cheered on 9/11. I don’t give a flying fuck about those people, but I do care about the message our media sends to it’s own citizens.

Bullshit. When Jeanne Garafalo goes on Olbermann and says that all Tea Partiers are racist who hate the fact that a black man is in the White House, you and your liberal fans cheer. You don’t give a damn about your fellow citizens then. When the media stops calling me a racist, I might give a damn about O’Reilly’s over-inclusiveness and unfair generalities. Until then, it’s just bullshit political correctness and another liberal double standard.

AnonymousFinch said:
Bullshit. When Jeanne Garafalo goes on Olbermann and says that all Tea Partiers are racist who hate the fact that a black man is in the White House, you and your liberal fans cheer. You don’t give a damn about your fellow citizens then. When the media stops calling me a racist, I might give a damn about O’Reilly’s over-inclusiveness and unfair generalities. Until then, it’s just bullshit political correctness and another liberal double standard.

In other words, since she’s wrong , you reserve the right to be just as wrong in the same way. Good for you. Way to take a stand.

Political correctness is destroying Europe . We’re next . Islam is on the move . Brush it aside at your peril . It’s real . The Geert Wilders trial is huge .

Why didn’t BillO continue the tradition and say, “everywhere I went this weekend, every brown noser I ran into was giving me the high five” I’ll bet it was awesome.

CosmosDan said:
In other words, since she’s wrong , you reserve the right to be just as wrong in the same way. Good for you. Way to take a stand.

No, I’m not the one who said it, and personally I wouldn’t use the language that O’Reilly used. I’m much more precise by nature. But before I jump on the bandwagon of attacking O’Reilly, I’m going to take every chance I can to point out the double standard. If any liberal here would condemn Olbermann, Garafalo et al., I’ll tell you what I really think of O’Reilly (hint: I’m not a fan). But I’ve never seen a liberal here do that. They argue, with a straight face, that the double standard is based on a principled difference.

London, Oct 18: A new report published by a UK counter-extremism think tank Quilliam revealed that many Muslim students at a leading university campus are openly practising radical Islamic extremism.

The Daily Mail reported that Quilliam has claimed of having evidence of the president of City University’s Islamic Society, (ISoc) openly preaching extremism during prayers held inside the campus during the 2009-10 academic year in London.

They said the president, Saleh Patel, was recorded saying: “When they say to us the Islamic state teaches to cut the hand of the thief’, yes it does! And it also teaches us to stone the adulterer.”

“When they tell us that the Islamic state tells us and teaches us to kill the apostate, yes it does! Because this is what Allah and his messenger have taught us and this is the religion of Allah and it is Allah who legislates and only Allah has the right to legislate,” he added.

The think tank reportedly interviewed students who claimed that the actions of leading members of the ISoc made members of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Society (LGBT) feel ‘scared’….

http://news.oneindia.in/2010/10/18/islamicstudents-at-top-uk-university-preaching-hard-line.html

AnonymousFinch said:
When Jeanne Garafalo goes on Olbermann and says that all Tea Partiers are racist who hate the fact that a black man is in the White House, you and your liberal fans cheer.

Garafalo isn’t part of the media and Olbermann is an asshole. Bill constantly boasts he is “the Number One Cable NEWS Host” in the country and he should act accordingly.

But yeah, calling all Tea Partiers racist should never be done by the news media and I condemn it. I do it here because I’m just a blogger who likes to troll Righty’s but I don’t condone it from journalists. It is one of the reasons I can’t watch Schultz or Olbermann anymore, there extreme rhetoric. I still watch O”Reilly but if he wants to act like Janeanne Garafalo or Jessie Ventura I will quickly get out of that habit.

Spare me any hypocrite rants, I really don’t give a shit.

I would agree with other posters, PC has gone viral, I knew what O Reilly meant, I also knew what Whoopi and Joy were doing, and frankly they were making a point, Bill knows if you watch his show there is a difference between radical Muslims and moderate Muslims.

If there was a radical element in my church I would be shouting from the rooftops that the majority does not agree. I do not see this from moderates, perhaps it is about fear but if many condemn the radicals perhaps part of the fear would diminish.

I would stand arm in arm with moderates if they came out that 9/11 was wrong and all those incidents since were wrong, I bet American’s would be more comfortable.

Just a few thoughts from an AF Veteran.

Big Eddie said:
Political correctness is destroying Europe . We’re next . Islam is on the move . Brush it aside at your peril . It’s real . The Geert Wilders trial is huge .

Only a suggestion here, but how about we actually live up to the principles of our constitution and our concept of justice. Violating those basics principles of justice is kinda what got Wilder in trouble.

AnonymousFinch said:
No, I’m not the one who said it, and personally I wouldn’t use the language that O’Reilly used. I’m much more precise by nature. But before I jump on the bandwagon of attacking O’Reilly, I’m going to take every chance I can to point out the double standard. If any liberal here would condemn Olbermann, Garafalo et al., I’ll tell you what I really think of O’Reilly (hint: I’m not a fan). But I’ve never seen a liberal here do that. They argue, with a straight face, that the double standard is based on a principled difference.

Fair enough. I think BilllO was wrong in this case and I tend to agree he did it on purpose but, it’s just not that big a deal. I think Garafolo is wrong as well. I regularly tell posters on HuffPo to stop with blanket insults against large groups of people. It’s just ignorant.

During the last several decades, massive immigration-flows to Sweden have transformed the country to the point where immigrants, many of whom refuse to learn Swedish and integrate into Swedish society, now make up almost 20% of the country’s total population…

In Malmö, Sweden’s third-largest city, almost 40% of the population is foreign; and some immigrant neighborhoods in the city have unemployment rates exceeding 60%. In Malmö’s mostly Muslim Rosengard neighborhood, fire and emergency workers refuse to enter without police protection. An immigrant-fuelled crime wave affects one of every three Malmö families each year, while the number of rapes has tripled in 20 years.

Highlighting the increasing assertiveness of Sweden’s Muslim community, the Muslim Council of Sweden recently dispatched letters to each of the major political parties in Sweden demanding special legislation for Muslims in Sweden. The demands included: the right to specific Islamic holidays; special public financing for the building of mosques; a demand that all divorces between Muslim couples be approved by an Imam; and that Imams should be allowed to teach Islam to Muslim children in public schools.

http://www.hudson-ny.org/1573/sweden-political-landscape

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
But yeah, calling all Tea Partiers racist should never be done by the news media and I condemn it. I do it here because I’m just a blogger who likes to troll Righty’s but I don’t condone it from journalists. It is one of the reasons I can’t watch Schultz or Olbermann anymore, there extreme rhetoric. I still watch O”Reilly but if he wants to act like Janeanne Garafalo or Jessie Ventura I will quickly get out of that habit.

Fair enough. Then I have to admit that I think Bill O’Reilly is a fake and a fraud. He’s not a bigot, because at least bigots believe in something other than their own glorification (as twisted and demented as their beliefs may be). O’Reilly would sell his mother for a ratings point. I think the View blow-up was all done so that he could make a spectacle of himself and get more attention.

CosmosDan said:
Fair enough. I think BilllO was wrong in this case and I tend to agree he did it on purpose but, it’s just not that big a deal. I think Garafolo is wrong as well. I regularly tell posters on HuffPo to stop with blanket insults against large groups of people. It’s just ignorant.

See, we agree on something. O’Reilly is an ass.

Can we also agree that the New York Yankees are the greatest force of evil in the universe?

CosmosDan said:
Violating those basics principles of justice is kinda what got Wilder in trouble.

Exactly what “principles of justice” did he violate?

Bill O’Reilly says——”People Were ‘High-Fiving Me Everywhere’ After The View Controversy”

Yep, and if you would have bitch slapped Joy Behar they would have been handing you Cigars!

AnonymousFinch said:
See, we agree on something. O’Reilly is an ass.

Can we also agree that the New York Yankees are the greatest force of evil in the universe?

LOL!! I wouldn’t go quite that far.

Bill O’ The Bigot already has blood on his hands. I believe he is going for another dip. I am sure his lynch mob was giving him high-fives. They were so disappoint after they failed to greet Michelle Obama.

Azarkhan said:
Exactly what “principles of justice” did he violate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

read this and see if you can figure it out.

AnonymousFinch said:
Fair enough. Then I have to admit that I think Bill O’Reilly is a fake and a fraud. He’s not a bigot, because at least bigots believe in something other than their own glorification (as twisted and demented as their beliefs may be). O’Reilly would sell his mother for a ratings point. I think the View blow-up was all done so that he could make a spectacle of himself and get more attention.

1. If you read any of O’Reilly’s books you would know that he believes in a lot more than his own glorification.
2. He goes after ratings? Wow, what the hell is wrong with him. Sure, that’s what he gets paid for and all, but you’d think it wouldn’t be important to him.
3. ABC, The View, and Whoopie and Joy have NO interest and no benefit in setting up a fake blow-up to help Bill O’Reilly get attention. Surely you realize that, right? Besides, he needs zero help from them anyway.

O’Reilly has more guests from both sides on than any other show on any of the cable networks. I watched him embarass Carl Paladino a couple weeks ago. He grilled Sharron Angle a couple weeks before that. He’s openly said Christine O’Donnell is afraid to come on his show, and can’t see how anyone could vote for her, since she runs away from everyone. He’ll hammer GOP candidates when he sees fit. He invited all of their opponents (Cuomo, Reid, Coons) on as well, and they are too chicken shit to accept. He leans right, but at least he’s not a complete shill like Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz, Hannity, and Beck are. Where do the fake and fraud accusations come from?

Andy Lamb said:
Where do the fake and fraud accusations come from?

Honestly, I can’t point to any objective “evidence.” It’s just that in my experience when someone says they are “looking out for” me, I generally hold on to my wallet. I’ll grant you that he’s better than the “shills” and every point you make in his favor has some validity. But I don’t buy the “looking out for the folks” schtick.

AnonymousFinch said:
No, I’m not the one who said it, and personally I wouldn’t use the language that O’Reilly used. I’m much more precise by nature. But before I jump on the bandwagon of attacking O’Reilly, I’m going to take every chance I can to point out the double standard. If any liberal here would condemn Olbermann, Garafalo et al., I’ll tell you what I really think of O’Reilly (hint: I’m not a fan). But I’ve never seen a liberal here do that. They argue, with a straight face, that the double standard is based on a principled difference.

I’ll tell ya, I’ve been turned off by Olbermann a lot lately with his calling Kilmeade an UnAmerican bastard and all those other things broadcasters should not be calling each other. I think Kilmeade was totally wrong, but it continued to show Olbermann has a serious lack of class. And I happened to watch Garofalo when she said those things on his show. I thought it was vile and I turned the channel.

Look, I like seeing conservatives getting proved wrong, but when it turns to generalizing them all as racists and bigots and just being hateful, it’s too much for me. It’s not even interesting; it’s very boring.

That said, there are many times I’ve admired Bill for not kow-towing to the far right all the time, but his appearance on the View last week was also a little too much for me. But Rosie O’Donnell saying he incites hatred? If I could give any less of a crap what she thinks, I’d be taking a crap.

AnonymousFinch said:
Can we also agree that the New York Yankees are the greatest force of evil in the universe?

Anonymous, as a St. Louis Cardinals fanatic…I wholeheartedly second that. The second greatest force of evil is the bastard who cancelled Whose Line Is It Anyway. There’s a special place in Hell for that schmuck.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Bill O’ The Bigot already has blood on his hands. I believe he is going for another dip. I am sure his lynch mob was giving him high-fives. They were so disappoint after they failed to greet Michelle Obama.

Blood on his hands. LOL. George Tiller, right? As if there weren’t hordes of people that wanted Tiller dead for years. You know that he had already survived a previous assassination attempt before Bill O’Reilly ever mentioned his name, right? And that he had received many previous death threats, right? And that his clinic was fire bombed years ago, right? No, I guess not. Nice try, though.

CosmosDan said:
read this and see if you can figure it out

Read this and see if you can figure it out:

The prosecution said that although the comments Wilders made about the Muslim religion were offensive, they were not illegal.

“The comments by Wilders were directed against the faith of Islam. According to the public prosecutor, Dutch law says this is not punishable,” prosecutors Birgit van Roessel and Paul Velleman said on the website.

Comparing the Koran and Islam with Hitler’s political manifesto Mein Kampf, and with national socialism, fascism and communism could indeed hurt feelings, they said, but offending sensibilities was not a criminal offence.

The prosecutors originally did not want to charge Wilders at all, saying he was protected by the right to free speech, but a court overruled their arguments and ordered him charged.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE69B2E420101012

stoogedudes said:
Look, I like seeing conservatives getting proved wrong, but when it turns to generalizing them all as racists and bigots and just being hateful, it’s too much for me. It’s not even interesting; it’s very boring.

Agreed. It taints the dialogue.

stoogedudes said:
Look, I like seeing conservatives getting proved wrong, but when it turns to generalizing them all as racists and bigots and just being hateful, it’s too much for me. It’s not even interesting; it’s very boring.

It’s far worse than that IMO. It really bothers me to see and hear Americans slinging hateful insults at one another that serve no purpose in improving our country at all. Continuing to spew the kind of hatefulness that keeps us divided and not even addressing the important issues
exasperates the hell out of me.

Azarkhan said:
The prosecution said that although the comments Wilders made about the Muslim religion were offensive, they were not illegal.

Did I say illegal?

CosmosDan said:
Continuing to spew the kind of hatefulness that keeps us divided

It is the hatefulness of leftist scum like Joy Behar (and anyone who agrees with her) that keep us divided. She wants to label what O’Reilly said, in reality a simple statement of fact, as “hate speech”. Why? So we can become like the Netherlands, where freedom of speech is severely restricted. Where any criticism of Islam can get you put in jail.

Leftists like to wrap themselves in the flag, but they wouldn’t know patriotism if it bit them in the ass.

CosmosDan said:
It’s far worse than that IMO. It really bothers me to see and hear Americans slinging hateful insults at one another that serve no purpose in improving our country at all. Continuing to spew the kind of hatefulness that keeps us divided and not even addressing the important issuesexasperates the hell out of me.

It reminds me of Alan Grayson. The man whines about his opponent getting personal in his attacks and avoiding the issues, not one week after calling his opponent Taliban Dan. I like a Democrat with a backbone that stands up to Republicans, but this guy goes too far all the time. It’s like he wanted to be elected in the first place just to badmouth Republicans and those he has ideological differences with. I wonder when people like Alan Grayson and Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Bloyer and the guy who thought it was karma that Glenn Beck got sick (I can’t think of his name right now), can stop being so partisan and ideological and maybe realize that the “other side” isn’t some horde of zombies out to eat your brains and steal your freedom.

News flash: there are conservatives who are supportive of gays (Dick Cheney for one), and there are liberals who are Christian (I for one). The sad fact is, there is a snowball effect going on. Those who say Bush divided the country are just as wrong as those who say Obama is dividing the country. Those that we should really be pointing the finger at is ourselves for allowing ourselves to get mixed up in this unproductive dialogue.

I’ll admit, I’ve given my fair share of insults. Sometimes a person can’t help it when they are attacked for giving their own humble opinion out there in the blogosphere and that makes me want to respond with a little more zest. Then the person I respond to comes back with more vitriol, so I become more vitriolic and a vicious cycle begins. It’s human nature and we are seeing the effects in the body politic.

Have you noticed that Whoopi and Joy tolerate the “bigotry” much better out of the mouths of their liberal friends who are mocking or otherwise running down Christians. These two are what passes for political commentary from the Left nowadays. Behar is a hate monger. That is her schtick. She throws an insult, breaks into her idiotic grin, and dozens of vapid lefty women squeal with hate.

Azarkhan said:
It is the hatefulness of leftist scum like Joy Behar (and anyone who agrees with her) that keep us divided. She wants to label what O’Reilly said, in reality a simple statement of fact, as “hate speech”. Why? So we can become like the Netherlands, where freedom of speech is severely restricted. Where any criticism of Islam can get you put in jail.

Leftists like to wrap themselves in the flag, but they wouldn’t know patriotism if it bit them in the ass.

The quality of this post speaks for itself

let me make a couple of those simple statements of fact.

Christians hold disgusting hateful signs at veterans funerals.

Tea Party Members hold signs indicating they are hateful racists

Just simple statements of facts right? No need to object to them. high five everybody!

stoogedudes said:
It reminds me of Alan Grayson. The man whines about his opponent getting personal in his attacks and avoiding the issues, not one week after calling his opponent Taliban Dan.

yep, Grayson’s ads are over the top. It’s unfortunate too because the guy has actually focused on some good things and co sponsored a bill with Republican Ron Paul. I’m not sure why he didn’t focus on those things in his ads.

stoogedudes said:
It’s human nature and we are seeing the effects in the body politic.

We can learn not to return vitriol for vitriol. It’s the “turn the other cheek” of rhetoric. No matter how tempting, try not to hurl insults back.
After a while you learn that some posters aren’t worth an effort at serious dialog. I tend to just ignore them, or use the occasional sarcastic remark to express my disdain.

Ah Islam….the religion of peace….unless you say it is’nt….then they’ll kill you.

The leftwing media pundits have made a serious mistake during this election season. They have run away from discussions of the big issues: the deficit, taxes, out-of-control spending, unemployment, the economy, the border and all the other problems that are worrying the voters. Instead the left-tilting media have discovered a new-found love affair with the Islamic faith, and keep coming back to this issue again and again — even when all the polls show that voters disagree with them and are begging the Left to address the more important issues of the day. And when they get tired of rhapsodizing about their love of Islam, the leftwing media changes the subject to witchcraft, which is the other issue they can’t get enough of. Are they really so clueless as to think these antics will help them in the upcoming election? How out-of-touch can you get?

I’m maybe not as smart as some so maybe one of you can explain it; just what the hell is it that keeps shows like the view on the air? I don’t know anyone who actually enjoys watching these stupidly radical women. Is it they are somehow trying to do things that are controversial for the sake of controversy or can they possibly believe what they are saying is correct? If the latter is true, I think some haldol, prozac, zoloft, wellbutrin and all those other type drugs must be a major part of their diet.

felixw said:
The leftwing media pundits have made a serious mistake during this election season.

This seems to happen a lot. When a politician cannot defend their own record or convince the voters that their ideas are better than their opponents, all that’s left is slanderous remarks and belittling the other side.

I’m in agreement with a lot of folks who think our government has spent way too much money on programs that are not needed or wanted, and they’ve done so inefficiently. The result has been the destruction of our country. Why people cannot understand the gravity of our government’s actions–and inactions, as it pertains to matters like securing our borders–is beyond comprehension. I must believe if people turned off the tube long enough to find the facts of the matter and how our government’s actions are impacting the present and hijacking the future, there would be a million people descending on Washington DC with huge pots of boiling tar and truckloads of feathers for the lot of them.

Hey Bill, “HIGH FIVE”!

CosmosDan said:
The quality of this post speaks for itself

let me make a couple of those simple statements of fact.

Christians hold disgusting hateful signs at veterans funerals.

Tea Party Members hold signs indicating they are hateful racists

Just simple statements of facts right? No need to object to them. high five everybody!

Allow me to correct your facts-

(Hateful bigots that inexplicably call themselves) Christians hold disgusting hateful signs at veterans funerals. Bit of a broad brush stroke, no? If you really knew what a Christian was, you’d never let your mouth/pen say/write that and mean it. The Westboro ‘church’ is an abomination to true Christians.

Tea Party Members hold signs indicating they are hateful racists. Really? Got the extra-wide brush out for that one…Goebbels would be proud. What signs are you referring to, the ones displayed by the infiltrators??? Tea party people do not believe in the D or the R, they believe in the ‘A’ that should be first and foremost in all Americans’ minds.

The elite folks in both the D and R groups have us all fired up…distracted…as they steal and fight over the spoils. Need proof? Look at the spending, this is a direct result.

We need to stop calling each other names and get serious about cleaning up this mess. The ruling class must be brought to their knees, their soap boxes splintered for good. They are not where they are for their own aggrandizement, quite the contrary. They are supposed to be stewards, not self -servers. November 2nd is only the first step in a long journey of correction, ‘change’ if you will.

stoogedudes said:
I wonder when people like Alan Grayson and Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Bloyer and the guy who thought it was karma that Glenn Beck got sick (I can’t think of his name right now), can stop being so partisan and ideological and maybe realize that the “other side” isn’t some horde of zombies out to eat your brains and steal your freedom.

I happen to be an elected democrat delegate to the state convention. I was mainly responsible for the election of the previous conservative democrat mayor of my city. I am supporting the democrat commissioner of my county because he opposes tax increases. His republican opponent wants to cooperate with the corrupt county next door run by democrats. They want to impose a tax for a new transit bus and train. Screw all liberal democrats.

Azarkhan said:
During the last several decades, massive immigration-flows to Sweden have transformed the country to the point where immigrants, many of whom refuse to learn Swedish and integrate into Swedish society, now make up almost 20% of the country’s total population…

Pew Research did a study on immigrant Muslims, US and Europe, and survey showed they put Islam before showing any loyalty to their new home.

Liberals tell us the majority of Muslims are peace loving and that a small minority engage in violence. It is said there are over a billion Muslims worldwide. If the peace loving majority stood up against violent minority, there wouldn’t be any Muslim terrorism. Surveys (Pew Research) have shown Muslims put Islam above anything else and the bond between Muslim brothers is unbreakable.

I want to know what Whoopi and Joy, defenders of Islam, think about these stories:

Islamic court: OK to beat wife if no marks left

A man can beat his wife and kids as long as he leaves no physical marks, the United Arab Emirates’ highest court has found.

According to Shariah law, a man can beat his wife and children as long as he has first tries unsuccessfully to discipline them by admonishing and then abstaining from sexual relations with his wife.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39718046/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

U.K. cleric: Rape is impossible within marriage
Husbands ‘may be made to ask forgiveness … That should be enough’

A leading Muslim cleric has sparked controversy in Britain by claiming that it is impossible for men to rape their wives.

Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, who is president of the Islamic Sharia Council, told a website that “sex is part of marriage” and suggested that husbands who commit such acts should not be prosecuted.

“In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39664344/ns/world_news-europe

sarainitaly said:
I want to know what Whoopi and Joy, defenders of Islam, think about these stories: Islamic court: OK to beat wife if no marks left A man can beat his wife and kids as long as he leaves no physical marks, the United Arab Emirates’ highest court has found. According to Shariah law, a man can beat his wife and children as long as he has first tries unsuccessfully to discipline them by admonishing and then abstaining from sexual relations with his wife. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39718046/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/ U.K. cleric: Rape is impossible within marriageHusbands ‘may be made to ask forgiveness … That should be enough’ A leading Muslim cleric has sparked controversy in Britain by claiming that it is impossible for men to rape their wives. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, who is president of the Islamic Sharia Council, told a website that “sex is part of marriage” and suggested that husbands who commit such acts should not be prosecuted. “In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39664344/ns/world_news-europe

Thank you for the upteenth re-post of this material, Tumbleweed. The re-airing will soon take on “I Love Lucy” dimensions.

donttread2010 said:
Allow me to correct your facts-

(Hateful bigots that inexplicably call themselves) Christians hold disgusting hateful signs at veterans funerals. Bit of a broad brush stroke, no? If you really knew what a Christian was, you’d never let your mouth/pen say/write that and mean it. The Westboro ‘church’ is an abomination to true Christians.

Tea Party Members hold signs indicating they are hateful racists. Really? Got the extra-wide brush out for that one…Goebbels would be proud. What signs are you referring to, the ones displayed by the infiltrators??? Tea party people do not believe in the D or the R, they believe in the ‘A’ that should be first and foremost in all Americans’ minds.

The elite folks in both the D and R groups have us all fired up…distracted…as they steal and fight over the spoils. Need proof? Look at the spending, this is a direct result.

We need to stop calling each other names and get serious about cleaning up this mess. The ruling class must be brought to their knees, their soap boxes splintered for good. They are not where they are for their own aggrandizement, quite the contrary. They are supposed to be stewards, not self -servers. November 2nd is only the first step in a long journey of correction, ‘change’ if you will.

I think you may have missed the point of my post in relationship to the subject of this thread.

sarainitaly said:
I want to know what Whoopi and Joy, defenders of Islam, think about these stories: Islamic court: OK to beat wife if no marks left A man can beat his wife and kids as long as he leaves no physical marks, the United Arab Emirates’ highest court has found. According to Shariah law, a man can beat his wife and children as long as he has first tries unsuccessfully to discipline them by admonishing and then abstaining from sexual relations with his wife. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39718046/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/ U.K. cleric: Rape is impossible within marriageHusbands ‘may be made to ask forgiveness … That should be enough’ A leading Muslim cleric has sparked controversy in Britain by claiming that it is impossible for men to rape their wives. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, who is president of the Islamic Sharia Council, told a website that “sex is part of marriage” and suggested that husbands who commit such acts should not be prosecuted. “In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39664344/ns/world_news-europe

Yet in a thread about the pompous bag of gas, Bill-o, you repeat this tragic but tangential information and still refuse to mention how Bill-o made jokes about the kidnapping and four (4) year imprisonment of Shawn Hornbeck and how he blamed the rape and murder victim, Jennifer Moore, for her own rape and murder. And, by all means, let’s not mention the disrespect and contempt Bill-o showed for women in his exploitative and abusive relationship with Andrea Makris. Rather intellectually dishonest. Rather selective indignation, Tumbleweed. Let’s get it all out there. Crucify Joy Behar, if you must. Tie Whoppi Goldberg to your Punto bumper and drag her around for a bit, if you are so inclined. But, why canonize Bill-o?

sarainitaly said:
I want to know what Whoopi and Joy, defenders of Islam, think about these stories:

Islamic court: OK to beat wife if no marks left

A man can beat his wife and kids as long as he leaves no physical marks, the United Arab Emirates’ highest court has found.

We have a system of laws, and anyone coming to live here must understand with clarity that no religious tradition or law supersedes our laws. We already have issues of women and children being abused, and laws dealing with that, as well as issues of free speech. There’s no compromise when it comes to living here. It’s our system of laws.

OTOH, we must begin to show the Muslim world that we stand by our laws and system of justice. When private mercenaries from Blackwater can gun down Muslim civilians without any punishment, and then get a new contract, what are Muslims supposed to think about our words of justice?

CosmosDan said:
We have a system of laws, and anyone coming to live here must understand with clarity that no religious tradition or law supersedes our laws. We already have issues of women and children being abused, and laws dealing with that, as well as issues of free speech. There’s no compromise when it comes to living here. It’s our system of laws. OTOH, we must begin to show the Muslim world that we stand by our laws and system of justice. When private mercenaries from Blackwater can gun down Muslim civilians without any punishment, and then get a new contract, what are Muslims supposed to think about our words of justice?

How very well said.

I think the Islamophobics really diminish our nation. We have absorbed and transformed all manner of people and produced a unique, ever-evolving creature in the process: the American. Our laws, our traditions, our abiding principles are strong, resiliant, empowering. The same people now condemning the Muslims in America and predicting the end of America, are of the same mind as those who condemned and foretold the end of America at the hands of the Armenians, the Italians, the Irish, the Jews from Eastern Europe, the Lithuanians, and so on …. It amazes me that Americans can have such a low opinion of America whilst shrilly proclaiming their Americanism.

“According to Shariah law, a man can beat his wife and children…”

“In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape.”

I want to know what Whoopi and Joy think about a religion that allows for these things.

sarainitaly said:
“According to Shariah law, a man can beat his wife and children…” “In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape.” I want to know what Whoopi and Joy think about a religion that allows for these things.

Yes, we all understand that you want to know this, Tumbleweed. Have you written to them, or are you just going to bleat, kvetch, moan and whine here about it? That is your objective, right?

Now, as to what Inquiring Minds, including myself, what to know: Why do you let Bill-o escape without a hint of disapproval, much less condemnation, over Shawn Hornbeck, Andrea Makris and Jennifer Moore? Is it because he advances your extreme rightist agenda, and therefore all his manifold faults and misdeeds are overlooked? But, we condemn Ms. Behar and Ms. Goldberg for standing up for the great American principle of tolerance because tolerance doesn’t advance your personal agenda. Inquiring Minds and I want to know.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Bill O’ The Bigot already has blood on his hands. I believe he is going for another dip. I am sure his lynch mob was giving him high-fives. They were so disappoint after they failed to greet Michelle Obama.

If anyone has blood on their hands its the left wing fanatics who continue to ignore the problem we face. While they’re worried about Muslims, Muslims are trying to blow up car bombs in crowded cities and markets, or going on shooting sprees.

sarainitaly said:
“According to Shariah law, a man can beat his wife and children…”

“In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape.”

I want to know what Whoopi and Joy think about a religion that allows for these things.

well hopefully they will stop by and post. You just wait right there.

btw, let’s remember to honor these beliefs

1 Cor 11:
3But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.4Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head.5But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved.6For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man.
9for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake.
13Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?14Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him,15but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
1 Peter 3: 1Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands

This is not to defend Islam and criticize Christianity, but to point out that religions mature and change. Especially when exposed to other cultures and attitudes.

The Real Royal King said:
How very well said.

I think the Islamophobics really diminish our nation. We have absorbed and transformed all manner of people and produced a unique, ever-evolving creature in the process: the American. Our laws, our traditions, our abiding principles are strong, resiliant, empowering. The same people now condemning the Muslims in America and predicting the end of America, are of the same mind as those who condemned and foretold the end of America at the hands of the Armenians, the Italians, the Irish, the Jews from Eastern Europe, the Lithuanians, and so on …. It amazes me that Americans can have such a low opinion of America whilst shrilly proclaiming their Americanism.

You’ll be hearing a lot about diversity not working in Germany but I think the reality is that there are growing pains as a culture becomes even more diverse. It takes generations to overcome fear, and suspicion of “others” . What we’re seeing now is people fighting against a change that is inevitable. I think we should Stop fighting it, and making it worse by spewing unnecessary hatred and focus on accepting the change and working to make it better.

CosmosDan said:
It takes generations to overcome fear, and suspicion of “others” .

LOL. You really are a complete ass.

CosmosDan said:
This is not to defend Islam and criticize Christianity, but to point out that religions mature and change. Especially when exposed to other cultures and attitudes.

Did some Christian court just pass laws that it is ok to beat your wife and children and that rape isn’t rape within a marriage?

the great American principle of tolerance….

And if you want to see shining examples of tolerance, just look at the King’s posts. Ever see him malign entire groups of people, or entire sections of the country? Or people who live in certain types of housing or shop at certain stores or eat certain foods? No! And you never will. So there.

It is ironic that Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar would be prime targets for terrorists because they do not live the lifestyles of religious women that are sequestered under tent-like clothing and cannot have contact with males other than those in their immediate family.

The “Walkout Against Bigotry” (also knon as the Truth) was obviously staged and had the desired result of a boost in the “View’s” ratings.

Americans are concerned about the increasing numbers of Middle Easterners that are being “resettled” in the U.S. as “Political Asylum” refugees. If even a small percentage of them have the desire to inflict mass casualities on New Yorkers out for a Saturday night in a crowded Times Square they are a disaster waiting to happen:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/palestinians-have-missle

sarainitaly said:
“According to Shariah law, a man can beat his wife and children…” “In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape.” I want to know what Whoopi and Joy think about a religion that allows for these things.

Sara get off your bandwagon. Dan explained OUR laws. I you really do live out of our country why don’t you go to a muslim country and work to help the women or shut your mouth as what they do in another country is only something for you to complain about. Be a part of the solution or stop complaining about the problem.

Azarkhan said:
LOL. You really are a complete ass.

Sometimes, and in this specific case, I’m also right.

You only have to look at cultural and ethnic growth in our own society to see it demonstrated.

sarainitaly said:
Did some Christian court just pass laws that it is ok to beat your wife and children and that rape isn’t rape within a marriage?

The point I’m trying to make is that cultures and religions change in time given the proper atmosphere, effort and encouragement. That includes Islam. We can criticize certain behavior but we don’t have to condemn the entire religion.

The idea that they could seriously attempt to place the US or any European nation under Islamic law is a paranoid delusion. It’s more likely IMO that they will in time become more liberal in their interpretation of their own religion just as other religions have done.

I don’t know who would be so stupid as to “high five” a piece of gutter trash like O’Reilly. He is truly delusional if he believes his own bullshit.

I’ve been listening to Whoopie Goldburg for years and I’ve come to the conclusion that she just an idiot. Look at the way she tries to justify her childish behavior on the View by putting up a strawman argument that a 12 year old could see through. And Behar, there’s a full blown mental-midget for you. Her childish banter was just as embarrassing as Goldburg’s. Although, at times I find O’Reilly a bit full of himself, for the most part he’s usually on point and in this case he nailed it.

Observe all the typical Repugs mouthing off here. Merchants of misery, intolerance, ignorance, misunderstanding, treachery. Intellectuallyand morally weightless, weak little people. Blown like a leaf – from one gutter to another. Injecting their poison into the bloodstream of America. How many different outlets do these weaklings have for their varied hatreds??? It is endless.

Did any of you miss the march in Manhattan by the Moderate Muslims supporting the USA and renouncing radical Islam? Yeah me too. But I’m sure that Nachi was there …. throwing monkey shit at them.

murphy0071 said:
I don’t know who would be so stupid as to “high five” a piece of gutter trash like O’Reilly. He is truly delusional if he believes his own bullshit.

Bill O’Reilly Up to #7

Whoopi Goldberg Down to #16

The Mediaite Influence Index

I am not sure about Whoopie, but I would bet that Joy Behar would mess her pants IF Obama were to touch her, the way she touched him when he was on the View!! She just can’t stand ANY person who says anything against him or the harm he has done to OUR country. Still cannot understand why HLN thought she should have a show of her own?

BlackWidow said:
Sara get off your bandwagon. Dan explained OUR laws. I you really do live out of our country why don’t you go to a muslim country and work to help the women or shut your mouth as what they do in another country is only something for you to complain about. Be a part of the solution or stop complaining about the problem.

I am not debating US laws – I asked to know the opinions of two women who freely bash Christians, and Republicans for the alleged stance on women and gays, but yet go to extremes to defend Muslims.

CosmosDan said:
The point I’m trying to make is that cultures and religions change in time given the proper atmosphere, effort and encouragement. That includes Islam. We can criticize certain behavior but we don’t have to condemn the entire religion.

The idea that they could seriously attempt to place the US or any European nation under Islamic law is a paranoid delusion. It’s more likely IMO that they will in time become more liberal in their interpretation of their own religion just as other religions have done.

Strawman. I am not saying anything about Shariah law invading the US. I am talking about two different NEW cases, where Shariah law allows abuse of women and children. I want to know how liberals, who bash Christians and Conservatives for their alleged stance on gays and women, can then defend Islam/Muslims who PASS laws to support the abuses.

“We can criticize certain behavior but we don’t have to condemn the entire religion.” – Yes, why would we want to condemn an entire religion that legally condones and allows men to beat and rape their wives and beat their children.

sarainitaly said:
Strawman. I am not saying anything about Shariah law invading the US. I am talking about two different NEW cases, where Shariah law allows abuse of women and children. I want to know how liberals, who bash Christians and Conservatives for their alleged stance on gays and women, can then defend Islam/Muslims who PASS laws to support the abuses.

“We can criticize certain behavior but we don’t have to condemn the entire religion.” – Yes, why would we want to condemn an entire religion that legally condones and allows men to beat and rape their wives and beat their children.

Who has defended those things? Anybody here? Any prominent figures or pundits? Who, specifically?

Again, you’re making a blanket statement about an entire religion. Are you saying we should condemn all of Islam because of archaic laws passed in other cultures?

My point is while we don’t condone specific actions by individuals or nations or particular sects, neither do we condemn an entire religion of 1.5 billion individuals. It’s immoral to do so. We as a culture and a nation, have our own past to be forgiven for, and to be thankful that we have been able to progress as humans and as a society, and that process of growth is ongoing., Condemning others for being at a different place in that same struggle for human progress isn’t going to help us progress.
It’s a fine line, to condemn certain actions as unacceptable without condemning an entire religion, but that’s what we’re called to do, if we want to continue on to progress in our own society.