It’s like Bert and Ernie arguing over who wet the bed.

If there was any bed wetting involved , you can be sure that  Andrew ” Milky Loads” Sullivan had an …..errrr …ummmm  hand in it .

http://tinyurl.com/6gzot4

Typical Matthews, take 4 minutes to tell your side (while the other side remains silent and lets you speak) and then when the other side starts to talk continuously talk over them so they have no chance to explain the opposite views……great job douche bag

Chris Matthews is to JFK what Billy Crystal is to Mickey Mantle.

I thought I would see a 50/50 split argument here and what I see is a one-sided Hardball special on another show. Chris Matthews was a punk ass kid when growing up that got beat up a lot. He’s a putz.

cry baggers

Matthews Obama has a brain and he uses, he does not let clowns like you affect him, jackass.

Kennedy was RESPONSIBLE for the Cuban Missile Crisis… Three words OPERATION STARFISH PRIME. “Let’s show the Russians who’s boss by detonating a 1.44 megaton nuke in low Earth orbit. What the worst that can happen?” How about a massive buildup of Russian nukes in Cuba, ya putz.

But what about the Venezuelan missile crisis? 
What would JFK do about this:?

Iran to build mid-range rocket bases in Venezuela
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388033/Is-second-missile-crisis-Iran-build-mid-range-rocket-bases-Venezuela.html#ixzz1dTYZJYDV

Well, I certainly agree he’s a putz as a political pundit on TV, but actually he got into that job from doing a very effective job as a Congressional staff worker, not in a difficult or academic or wonk role, but as a smoother of the way. Check him out on Wikipedia; he worked the whole system, from security cop right up to chief aide to Tip O’Neill. But he’s going on 66 now and at a mile-a-minute pace and he’s been wearing down earlier and earlier in his show, so the Tweety Bird part of his personality, the ADHD advantage he had when he was a Congressional aide, has not been working out at all well on his show, for years. He doesn’t know when to shut up (I know, I hear you, I got some of that myself.).

But now we have this ridiculous mental midget wrestling match over JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis, between not one but a couple of over-wired ADHD types, and what we the viewers end up with is an utterly depthless product. Most of the people who actually know what happened then are dead now, some murdered of course, JFK and RFK, but there are some reliable voices around, like Ted Sorenson and Bill Moyers (who wasn’t anywhere near the White House then but practically lived there after LBJ was elected in 1964). And they have talked about the Crisis on Moyers’ PBS show and PBS Frontline did a very historically strong take on it, and the palpable impression one gets is of mutual fear and mutual ignorance, not just in the White House and in the administration more generally, but in Cuba and in the Kremlin. I think you can make a very credible argument that the least fearful and least ignorant leader involved was Soviet PM Nikita Khrushchev, and that it was only once he figured out how threatened the White House felt about the missile deliveries and that he was not just risking all-out nuclear war but the Soviets being wiped out (The U.S. delivery system was right on top of the Soviet borders, and the Soviets simply had no way to present a comparable deterrent.) that Khrushchev backed off. 

Now you have to factor in the perspectives of the two midget wrestler combatives. Not only are they both wired for sound (Sullivan mostly due to being on steroids), Sullivan grew up in working class England as a  deeply Conservative true believer, and became a huge Thatcherite, whereas everyone knows Matthews is a connected DCCC guy from way back, who on top of everything else is working on pushing his book, which is going to be one of those embarrassing hero-worship things we see so often about Reagan, something that thrills the ignorant and inspires 12 year olds. Neither of these guys is an sort of historian or in the least trustworthy in terms of perspective. 

Again, it’s impossible for either of them to know what happened in the Crisis, but as a matter of human nature and from the most authoritative reports everyone involved was subsumed in fear and ignorance. Would it have been different with Nixon in the White House? Quite possibly; POSSIBLY. Nixon was a lot more knowledgable about the personalities on the other side and a lot more cynical about the capabilities of the Soviets in a shootin’ war, maybe the most knowledgeable since Eisenhower with the likely exception of Jimmy Carter who was after all a nuclear engineer who had actually worked with nuclear containment and weaponry; but even Carter would not have enjoyed Nixon’s experience of actually spent time with the Soviet leaders, which was the biggest single deficit in the JFK White House, at least at that point. 

This is partisan as hell, but if I had to pick the two best personalities to deal with this mess since the death of FDR, they would be Ike and Obama, both of them cool and difficult to rattle and much more worldly than any of the others, able to function under stress and able to draw clear lines for the other side to see, and stick to them. I’m pretty confident the elder Bush would have been good, too, with the younger Bush and JFK being the two mostly likely to do something stupid. Clinton is the sort who would have got onto a plane for Moscow and yakked it out, so there’d never be a problem in the first place, and LBJ just being there would have scared the crap out of the Soviets from even trying, Reagan maybe the same, both of them being so inclined to western style b.s. talk and being so difficult to figure out. Ford and Carter were both adults and both may well have backed off, which maybe seems not so optimal for the U.S. but it might have allowed us to work out things with Cuba a lot quicker than we have. 

The fact is Matthews is correct, JFK prevented WWIII.  Sullivan knows nothing except the right-wing propaganda revisionist history in which they tried to twist the facts to suit their ideology.  If any of you on this site had ever read history you  would know that JFK stood up to a troglodyte American military cabal which was set on launching a first strike on the Soviet Union before they reached parity with the US.  Read “JFK And The Unspeakable” by James Douglass if you want to find out the real truth.  You all sound like a bunch of ignorant fools who know nothing about what happened.  To say it’s unknowable is ridiculous, everything is known and what Matthews was saying is right.  Unfortunately, Chris buys into the lone gunman theory of history because he couldn’t ever believe that his precious “democracy” was the victim of a coup d’etate in 1963.  Kennedy made enemies on the right by signing The Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty and leaking his intention of withdrawing from Vietnam after the 1964 election.  Those right wingers included Allen Dulles who created the CIA then was fired by JFK after The Bay of Pigs, the Mafia who worked with Dulles and right wing oil men in Texas who were allied with Johnson.  Do some research before you all act like you know something which you don’t.

Tingles is sick. Sullivan is disgusting. Who could sit & watch them?

you for one

that ain’t no JFK in the white house. Hell he isn’t even Nixon. So, who IS going to bomb Iran?

Matthews had just published a book on the topic they were discussing. Should he have sat on his hands and sat quietly in the corner? 

What’s wrong with righties these days that immediately resent knowledge and authority?

Could you say that again in English — you know, with verbs and nouns in the right places? 

I could. Very easily, in fact. They’re a helluva lot more interesting and enlightening than, say, watching Coulter and Hannity and their idiotic wanking. 

So you support Matthews being rude?

If you think this is fun to watch - a Euro-Lib (Sullivan was never a real conservative) and an programmed lunatic go at it – wait until Bill Clinton’s Camp starts making more and more noise about challenging the President!

Whoa! – Unleash the Dogs of War!
lol

Sit back and emjoy the show!

Matthews is a histrionics performer; and the problem with Democrats is they seek more and more authority with less and less knowledge.

You didn’t watch the video clip?

Please spare us the BS ….. Matthews ate Sullivan’s lunch because Sullivan only knows the pop culture version of history

NorDOOOSH … you are an IDIOT …. 

P.T. 109, the only Parol Torpedo boat in the history of WWll, cut in half by a Jap destroyer at 2:00 am, while the crew slept while on picket duty in the middle of the Solomon Gap.

When your daddy is Joe Kennedy you get a medal and a movie, not a courts martial

So you are saying just like Mickey Mantle …. Chris Matthews balled your mom?

I don’t see how that helps your idiot viewpoint 

NorDOOOSH … you have the IQ of a grapefruit …. 

Even with the left wing media touting Matthews book it is still number 85 of the top 100.

And you approve of rudeness as well. Thanks.

Lighten up, dude. This isn’t a little old lady tea party, it’s a bare knuckle talk show in which the idea is to mix it up a little. If you think that’s rude, you must never watch Hannity, O’Reilly or Coulter at work. 

you are so right…i heard the same story from the smoking man when he told me and mulder.

i just wish you could help us convince scully about this.

Coming from someone who’s demonstrated knowledge is limited to “cons = good, libs = bad,” I think you might want to shut your pie hole on this subject. 

of course i only jest.  i enjoy posts like yours and rex’s.  not the mindless dribble you find so often here.

Nice try, but it’s number 3 on the New York Times Bestseller List this week. 

I think you’re giving him way too much credit. 

And “O’Reilly’s  book is  # 2!

McCain?

All them need the same thing

a ass kickin

The Soviets put the missiles in Cuba because they perceived JFK’s weakness. And wasn’t JFK a great leader- he gave the go ahead to get rid of South Vietnam’s leader, Diem, and what happened,? Diem was murdered.

And Sullivan is right about JFK’s CR record- he waited and waited to move on CR until he was forced to act by James Meredith  win in the Supreme Court to be admitted to the University of Miss.and JFK even voted against the CRA of 1957.

And remember that MLK’s march on Washington to protest the treatment of blacks occurred in 1963- on JFK’s watch.

I like how Matthews did everything he could to keep Sullivan from speaking.

Wow !
It’s the number of books they sell that makes someone wonderful in you eyes.
Mein Kampf was once a best seller in Germany!

When you’re screwing mobster Sam Giancana’s girlfriend, Edith Exner, you put the entire nation at risk for blackmail.

That’s how much he cared about his country.

Unfortunately, Chris buys into the lone gunman theory of history because he couldn’t ever believe that his precious “democracy” was the victim of a coup d’etate in 1963″

You have no credibility- you are now spouting TPs from that whack job Oliver Stone. Prove any of what you say.

Why do all computer reenactments of the bullet paths all lead back the the 6th floor depository? Why did LHO lie about having lunch with 2 TSBD employees? Why was LHO the only employee to leave the building after the shooting? Why did LHO lie about how he traveled back to his boarding house?
Why did LHO lie about bringing in a package to the TSBD and lie about the package containing curtain rods when his room already had hung curtains? Why did LHO lie about knowing about a man named A.Hidell when in his wallet at the time of his arrest he was carrying a business card withe the name of A. Hiddell?

Yes , the JFK assassination was a conspiracy- for those who have read nothing about the assassination like you.

Lol. While the Republicans seek less and less knowledge with more and more authority. 

That is the NYT.  It has a vested interest in showing it as a good seller.  The rest of the ratings show it flopping.

LMAO

I guess you didn’t read exGOPman’s comment:

”
“Nice try, but it’s number 3 on the New York Times Bestseller List this week. “God , I do love it when you show how stupid you are!BTW, this ain’t Germany!bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

what?

I think the channel you’re watching isn’t really there but enjoy it anyway.

I grew up actually BELIEVING those stories about Kennedy being a “war hero”.  I also was taught back then that he acted “courageously” with the Cuban missile crisis and of course his involvement in Bay of Pigs was ignored.

Now we find out half of the story of PT109 is false, that in fact they commander and crew of that PT boat should have been court martialed out of the military.  We also discover the then unreported back door deals over our bombers leaving Turkey that enabled Kennedy to claim some kind of victory over the Cuban Missile Crisis. And of course, now we all know his involvement in the Bay of Pigs invasion and how he was on the golf course as the people he supported were being executed on the shores of Cuba.

LMAO

I guess you didn’t read exgopman’s comment:

“Nice try, but it’s number 3 on the New York Times Bestseller List this week.”

I love when you prove what a dumb lib you are.

And BTW- this ain’t Germany!

Bawahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

“The Soviets put the missiles in Cuba because they perceived JFK’s weakness.”
Gee, The Soviets are the ones who backed down.
JFK won that confrontation!.
Nice try though.
Thanks for playing.

Are you on drugs?

Wow !
It’s the number of books they sell that makes someone wonderful in your eyes.
Mein Kampf was once a best seller in Germany! LMAO

“The Soviets put the missiles in Cuba because they perceived JFK’s weakness.”

What ever you say Herman.

Their Perception was incorrect!

Too much for your thimble sized brain to absorb? I thought so.

But we can agree that Leedog must stop the things he has been doing to our children- he proves that he is a PSU graduate everyday!

The point wasnt perception……weakness was.  You added nothing.   Libs dont get it.  Its like the school yard .  The kid who looks, acts, is weak gets F with.  Everytime.  Hence international politics.

Sullivan can see Cuba from Palin’s Vagina.

Matthews needed a smack down on his silly latent homosexual man-crushes.  He is in love w/ Obama (who gives him tingles) and Kennedy.  Matthews was all upset because someone finally called his “heroes” out on their BS legacies.  

I was waiting for Chris Matthews to jump over the table, man he was pissed. I don’t know who was right or wrong but
Sullivan shouldn’t have kept needling him.

No – It’s a show that features a birther. Keep up.

Knowledge and authority?  What authority does Bitchy Crissy have?  Beyond that Kennedy opened the doors to the Vietnam war, a waste of 50,000 young American lives not to mention the loss of 100′s of thousands of Vietnamese, and for what, we went in for a threat that did not exist…  I often wonder about what we did in Vietnam, so many of our veterans coming home and dying from exposure to Agent Orange, but what of those people whom we sprayed their homes, their farms, their drinking water, destroying the very environment in which they live, we never hear of those people…  It was Kennedy who opened that door by sending in 12,000 advisers along with military hardware.  

He supports a birther. Don’t mind him.

Might I suggest a nap? You’re already grumpy and it’s the morning.

It’s obvious that the above person is an Obama supporter, hence a Democrat. Once again, keep up.

Good to know that you support a birther.

I didn’t. I wouldn’t waste my time on anything Maher has to say.

The Soviets backed down.
Did that made JFK weak?

I don’t agrree with the right wing pundits. But I do watch the video clips. Otherwise you may not know what the talking points are.

Right….because the treatment of Blacks in America only became an issue in January 1961 when JFK took office.

–Cobra

PT109 Swiftboating. 

Now I’ve seen it all.

–Cobra

Jerry Sandusky and other registered Republicans from Penn State are in enough trouble, don’t you think?

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/09/jerry_sandusky_and_joe_paterno_registered_republicans/

–Cobra

No I’m saying Chris Matthews, like Billy Crystal with Mickey Mantle, can’t stop talking about JFK, much to the annoyance of other people who don’t think the sun rose and set on our 35th president, and the Kennedys in general. But you’re right, that’s far more idiotic than a nonsensical attack on my mother’s alleged sexual proclivities. The extreme disproportionality and oddness of your response leads me to believe that it was you in fact who was balled by both Chris Matthews and the Mick. Did you take them on separately or at the same time? Who was bigger? Where did this rendezvous take place, MSNBC studios or Yankee Stadium? Did anybody else join in? How about Billy Martin, him and Mick always raised hell together. I have this image of you being pounded from behind by Whitey Ford while Mickey orgasmed in your mouth, as you thought someday soon you’d be gargling the genetic juices of a low-rated cable news host and wouldn’t let anybody compare him to Billy Crystal.         

Kennedy was a huge fraud.  He should have been court martialed out.

I don’t like the talk overs. Matthews and Bill-o do it far too often. O’Van Susteren, however, is the worst.

It’s amazing how wrong many of us are and have been re The Cuban Missile Crisis and I lived through it as an adult.  Much of what I thought, both favorable and unfavorable about JFK’s performance seems to have changed due to documents that have been declassified.

”
REVISING THE HISTORY OF THE CRISIS

The declassified U.S. records have allowed
scholars to highlight the inevitable distortions, limitations,
and inaccuracies in the narratives of former Kennedy administration
officials, and to augment and supplement these officials’
memories. The most striking example of this dynamic occurred
between 1987 and 1992, during a series of retrospective
conferences sponsored by Harvard and Brown universities
and organized by professor James G. Blight, which brought
together former policymakers and scholars from the United
States, the Soviet Union, and Cuba to reconstruct the perilous
events of 1962 and to reevaluate why they happened.(5)
Applying a research technique that he calls “critical oral
history,” Blight used the documents to supply facts and
details that the former policymakers had distorted or forgotten
while the participants supplied the missing context of the
documents.(6) The result was a new body
of information that provides a much fuller picture of events
and fundamentally alters how the scope and meaning of the
missile crisis has been and will be considered.

The very definition of the missile crisis
has changed. Rather than a sudden episode, the crisis now
emerges as the culmination of deteriorating relations between
the United States and the Soviet Union, and between the
United States and Cuba. Moreover, no longer can the confrontation
be understood as confined to Robert Kennedy’s “thirteen
days,” beginning with the discovery of Soviet missiles in
Cuba on October 16 and ending with Khrushchev’s decision
to withdraw the missiles on October 28. A series of letters
between Kennedy and Khrushchev, declassified and released
to the National Security Archive in January 1992, demonstrates
that the crisis lasted through late November of 1962, at
the very least.

New revelations about the missile crisis have
also undermined its image as a paradigm of successful crisis
management. For years Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.’s description
of President Kennedy’s decision-making as “so brilliantly
controlled, so matchlessly calibrated” reflected a mythology
that the successful outcome of the missile crisis derived
from Kennedy’s masterful management of both the making and
implementation of U.S. policy.(7) In reality,
as Robert McNamara notes, the decision-making process in
Washington, as well as in Moscow and Havana, was characterized
by “misinformation, miscalculation, and misjudgment.” Despite
management efforts, according to Theodore Sorensen, the
crisis “came close to spinning out of control before it
was ended.”(8)

For example, during the crisis, U.S. officials
mistook a number of Soviet political and military actions
as deliberate “signals” from the Kremlin when, in fact,
they had not been cleared by Khrushchev. Unbeknownst to
the White House, officials of the CIA and the U.S. military
undertook, in the midst of tense negotiations, a number
of threatening operations— among them the dispatch of covert
sabotage teams into Cuba—which were similarly misunderstood
by the Soviets and Cubans. There were also dangerous accidents,
such as the straying of a U.S. aircraft into Soviet airspace
at the height of the crisis. This combination of unauthorized
military and covert actions, misinterpreted military and
political signals, and significant failures in intelligence—all
of which threatened to set a war in motion—not only challenges
earlier depictions of this event as a model of a “controlled
crisis” but calls into question the fundamental assumption
that severe international crises can, in fact, be “managed”
at all.

The new documentation, combined with recent
testimony by Soviet and Cuban officials, also sheds light
on what is perhaps the most important puzzle of the missile
crisis, namely, what motivated the Soviets to deploy nuclear
weapons in Cuba. The declassified record shows that U.S.
officials were well aware that their deployment of Jupiter
missiles near Soviet borders in Turkey and Italy in 1959
would be deeply resented by Soviet officials; even President
Eisenhower noted that it would be a “provocative” step analogous
to the deployment of Soviet missiles in “Mexico or Cuba.(9)
A declassified military history of the Jupiter system reveals
that the rockets became operational in April 1962—an event
that may have contributed to Khrushchev’s proposal, made
the very same month, to deploy similar weapons in Cuba.(10)
…

If the new documents illuminate how the crisis
began, they also clarify how it ended. For years, conservative
analysts have alleged that, in return for the Soviet withdrawal
of the missiles, Kennedy made a secret deal with Khrushchev
not to invade Cuba. The recently declassified Kennedy-Khrushchev
correspondence published here, reveals that no such U.S.
commitment was made. Khrushchev repeatedly urged Kennedy
to “formalize through the U.N.” a noninvasion pledge to
end the crisis. The letters show Kennedy repeatedly refused,
citing the Soviets’ inability to meet U.S. inspection and
verification demands. Highly classified State Department
memoranda, released in April 1992 to the National Security
Archive, reveal the Kennedy administration’s internal arguments
against finalizing an agreement on the crisis: a settlement
would limit the United States in its ongoing efforts to
overthrow Fidel Castro. In the end, U.S. officials preferred
free rein to intervene in Cuba over an international accord
that would settle the Cuban missile crisis.”

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/declass.htm

It seems that JFK is neither a towering model of ageless wisdom and restraint nor an abject deal maker. 

That is one of Sullivan’s many low moments. However, he can be most thought-provoking and can challenge conventional wisdom far more than others. But, I don’t seek intellectual stimulation through a simplistic reaffirmation of my own pre-existing views. I can understand why you wouldn’t find Sullivan interesting. 

That bear trap mind will serve you well in law school.

Is Coulter a birther now? Figures. 

Bravo

I don’t support any birthers. I find Orly Taitz despicable, in fact!

That’s choice — you accusing someone having “no credibility.” You wouldn’t recognize credibility if it crawled into your swamp.

Yeah, because people who use the words “thrill leg lover” are always Obama supporters. 

Keep up.  

Gee, what an entirely predictable talking point. 

I don’t really care whether Matthews’ book is number one or number one million. But I like accuracy — unlike you and your dopey friend. 

And I don’t like people that hide behind phony user names to lie all the time. You should be out at the OWS protests. Maybe they will get you when they clear all rubbish out of the parks.

Real Time features birthers. Must suck to be that low of a political show.

Children, children, children….”They” want us to fight amongst ourselves.  Face it…

“It’s a big club…and you ain’t in it.”  — George Carlin

Of course he made no sense. However, he seemed to attack Buchanan, hence an Obama supporter.

As do I. I’ve physically talked to her too.

Either way, you support a birther.

Sullivan is always on Matthews show and he’s abysmal on it. That’s not to say that his other guests aren’t too, but when you have a birther on your show, you know you’re at the bottom of the political heap.

Now please, you said months ago that you wouldn’t talk to me. Please do so.

When you’ve heard one one progressive, you’ve heard them all.

With Bill, add a few cuss words and misogynist terms and poof! There ya go.

It’s served me well professionally thus far.

You have a problem with gays? Sullivan the conservative is gay. You must hate him as well? 
Matthews is right; he’s truly patriotic in the clear eyed sense of the word, and he’s one of the few good guys out there. You and your like, on the other hand are meaningless. 

If he made no sense, it’s more likely he was a Cain supporter. 

Better a birther than a 9/11 truther, like Judge Nappy of FOX News.

Josh, JFK *did* handle the Cuban Missle Crisis.  Are we dead now?

Did you maybe mean “If Obama had handled the Cuban Missle Crisis”?

When your crew, standing picket duty on a PT boat in the Solomon Islands at 2:00am, is so asleep on watch, that a 4,012 ton Japanese destroyer running on diesel engines “sneaks up” on you and cuts your boat in half, I’m gonna’ go way out on a limb and say that’s grounds for a Courts Martial for any Naval officer.

Not heroism.

Refute any of my assertions, you bigoted racist gay agenda promoter!

Nixon was a member of the NAACP, JFK refused to join,  helped pass the 1957 CRA that JFK opposed and blacks didn’t march for CR under him!

LOL

man are you one stupid lib!

Totally irrelevant as you are! gays Perverted gays belong to both parties.

Refute anything I have posted, fatso!

Nixon was a NAACP member, JFK was not, Nixon worked to pass the 1957 CRA, JFK voted against it, Nixon integrated schools and blacks did not march against NIXON!

What a dumb lib you are.

I thought it was somewhat ironic that earlier Matthews was talking negatively about hero worship (with regard to the years of silence from Penn St. officials over the child rapes) and then when Sullivan challenged his praise of Kennedy, rightly or wrongly, he went noticeably on tilt. He could tell just from watching Matthews’ body language and hearing his tone that he was driven by pure emotion at that point.

Sullivan never got a chance to offer support for his statements because Matthews shouted him down long enough before Maher started his New Rules segment. 

Sullivan’s point was that Kennedy had put the missiles in Turkey, which was a provocative act that led (in part) to Khrushchev to send missiles to Cuba. Rightly or wrongly, he was saying that Kennedy is only heroic if you look at the immediate actions around the Cuban Missile Crisis; but if you look at the events leading up to that, you may conclude that he was a reckless hawk… just not as reckless as some of his advisors.

Typical moronic lib response.

Nixon was a NAACP member, JFK was not, Nixon worked to pass the 1957 CRA, JFK voted against it, Nixon integrated schools and blacks did not march against NIXON!

What a dumb lib you are.

The voice of today’s educated: “I already know–so why read or watch it?”

“No one can change (educate) me.”

Nope – A birther is more nutty than Jesse Ventura.

Epic fail.

Stonepark, I have read many, many books on the subject.  How many have you read?  The fact is most people who defend the Warren Report have NEVER read any of the scholarly works which systematically deconstruct the WR’s fictional script.  There is not space here to refute you point by point, but just know that there was a script and Oswald was a player in it (part of the CIA’s “false defector program”) and when it dawned on him that he was the patsy in the story he was taken out.  Read Sylvia Meahger’s ground breaking “Accessories After The Fact” written in the late 60′s for a complete legal expose of the inherent flaws in the WR.  Read the recent “JFK And The Unspeakable” by James Douglass if you want to understand the forces at work against JFK and how they carried out their treason.  If you want to remain ignorant read Bugliosi’s regurgitation or the discredited “Case Closed”  By the way, their was a reason that Oswald was linked to Castro and Moscow and the KGB — the generals wanted their first strike nuclear war against the Soviets. When the CIA station chief kept putting out the story about Oswald’s visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico City, LBJ told him to shut up and they went with the ‘lone gunman’.  Earl Warren refused to take the job until he met with LBJ one on one with no one else in the room.  He merged from the meeting with tears in his eyes and told a reporter, “What we report may decided the fate of the world and perhaps up to 40 million deaths in WWIII.”  That explains why he made sure that all evidence which pointed away from Oswald was ignored, including Jack Ruby’s plea to be taken to DC so he could tell the truth.  Try watching the video of Ruby shooting Oswald and listen carefully.  Moments before Oswald walks out you can hear very clearly the double beep of a horn, then ten seconds later Ruby lunges forward and silences history.  Read the alternative facts or remain blissfully ignorant.  Currently, about 80% of Americans believe Oswald did not act alone. 

The key word in your comment is “advisors” whose advice can be geared to a desired outcome. The miliitary machine and the Bankers share the same bed. Also check out kennedy’s secret society speech on u tube.

They always resent the expression of dissenting opinion.
Mainly, because they can never counter it.

Thanks for the compliment. And yes, you can stay up late tonight because it’s the weekend.

No, you’re sadly mistaken. But it certainly wouldn’t be the first time. 

Every day is the weekend when you’re an unemployable hack like Stonepark. 

Since you only post opinion, there’s nothing to “refute.” You wouldn’t recognize a fact if it ate the brain out of your your head. (Come to think of it, maybe that explains what happened to it.)

For WCinWI2 too: The fact that you 2 fools chose POTUS Obama and Mr Cain as your points of reference is not lost on me. Yes, as you know, I’m black too. You should have picked Rick Perry and Jim De Mint, Their supporters give so much more justice to your theories of the ignorant, “follow me I look like you voters” I’m a 100% Democrat and Obama supporter… HAHAH! Is that all you back bred, ignorant, low class idiots know know to say? Same old tired worn out dribble. Every time one you rusty feet, dirty faced, lazy ass peckerwoods reply to someone you think is not white, you bring out that stale ass bullshit. Ask your trainers for a different talking point, PLEASE! Your are boring the people you try to put to death with stupid one. LOL, your dumb jerks would’nt know a verb, a noun or a preposition if your beer bellied flat asses saw one on the walls of your out houses. BTW don’t forget to wipe your ass before you pull up your oily britches this time, Hope you still have some pages of last year’s Sears catalog, better known as your toilet paper. Since neither of you never finished your home schooling, and both of you are as old as dinosaur shit, you can spend the rest of your miserable day/night struggling with this comment, so I can have the pleasure of not caring what makes sense to you and your rotted out teeth.., again. You see the moonshine you good ole boys gulp down don’t make me drunk. I’m done with you(for now) So you can run along with the rest of your pack of mangy lap dogs 

  

You don’t watch the show. Bill is the host, and it’s up to him to keep things on track. He often lets things degenerate into hannity and O’Reilly style shouting matches where no one can hear anything. Bill should speak up more, not less.

You demonstrate the need to be heard without the ability to add anything useful. Exactly what Sullivan was doing. Thanks for the example.

That started earlier with Eisenhower. Remember the cold war ? Why don’t you try reading a book ?

Let’s let Khrushchev settle the matter.  He said of Kennedy ” The man is very inexperienced, even immature.  Compared to him Eisenhower is a man of intelligence and vision.”  The Cuban Missile Crisis happened because Kennedy was perceived as a weakling by the Kremlin.  They would not have dared put missiles in Cuba had Eisenhower been in office.

Do you really think Matthews can write a serious book? Check out ‘JFK and the Unspeakable’ by James W. Douglass at your local library which is what I did last week. A tour de force.

You must be a Fundamental Christian “Teabagger”..as Maher completely destroys all your dramatic BS!!

This argument should not end in ad hominem and namecalling. And we wonder why the boomers are so disliked by my generation? Read this http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf and you have a smoking gun as to why LBJ and the joint chiefs wanted nothing to do with JFK and got rid of him in a coup. 

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