Liberal/progressive/socialist MSM doing the usually political assassination on conservative candidates

I was once a supporter of Ms. Bachman being in the race.  I am a Conservative but, I reject the Religio-Social politics of some candidates.  Meaning I am Pro-Choice, approve of Death with Dignity, Drug legalization and, I want prayer out of the classroom as the proper place is at home or church.

Many Conservative Citizens vote Conservative because, like me, of the Economic, military and Constitutional common sense considerations, etc.  Also, like me, we have Libertarian inclinations.  Ergo, pay your bills, get your kids to school and don’t beat your wife or neighbor.  As a result, Government should stay away.  Go ahead, have a cigarette, then ride your motorcycle, sans, helmet.

However, Ms. Bachman is proving to be a moral crusader.  One that just might spend too much time moralizing and not enough time Governing.  Hence, I can only hope, at this time, she does not receive the Republican Party nomination.  I want government out of my bedroom.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC 

Vote for Obama America deserves him.

Matthews says he sees his job as a supposed journalist as doing everything he can to make the Obama presidency a success.Bah,bash,bash anyone but the President the Media Matters tax subsidized research arm of MSDNC.

I disagree with Mathews Panel: The TeaBagging, DittoDunce, Republican base loves this gay bashing.

What’s going to cost Bachmann the nomination is when the pictures of her gay husband coming out of a bath house hit the news.

What hypocrites!

Actually, it seems to be the Repugnantcans who are after her.

If anything, gay-bashing will help Mad Michelle in the Repugnantcan primary.

I am also concerned with Ms Bachman’s moral crusading.  Also with her flip-flopping on her father in law’s farm records.  She claims she made no profit and took no farm subsidies.  Yet the records prove her wrong.  Unfortunately, she has a tendency to make a statement and then back away from it or to have to clear it up later when asked by the media.  Lasty, trying to legislate morality usually fails miserably

Mrs.Backmann is a Conservative therefor, she’s not entitled to a personal opinion? That suggests that her view is of the minority. Is that the case? Or is that the propaganda the Left will use to make her appear homophobic?

How is the Democrats’ making an issue of Bachmann’s views on homosexuality any different than the shameless pandering Bush did to the Christian right about homosexual marriage?  Same shoe, different foot, kicking in the opposite direction.

Gay issues aren’t at the forefront of most Americans’ concerns right now, but if Bachmann keeps playing their game, the media will be glad to make it so. 

If Mad Michelle keeps playing her game, she will have made it so.

Equating slavery to homosexuality will lose the Black vote!

In a way, yes.  Although all major religions and I’d guess the majority of Americans see being gay as not being ‘normal’, the left wing media will paint Bachmann as being Satan himself for holding such views, and make believe that no one else sees things her way.  She needs to quit playing along. 

We all know she was never going to get it anyway!

I agree. The Left will use any opening, no matter how weak to use against her.

Gay issues aren’t at the forefront of Michele Bachmann’s campaign. The media just keeps bringing it up; they’re going to do the same for other Republican candidates because they’re propagandists who must get Obama reelected.

I detect something in the air that spells big trouble for the Republicans. I can’t believe that even rightwingers in Iowa are that backward that they could choose Bachmann as their choice for President. Plus the implosion of the Murdoch empire is going to take the main prop for all rightwingers out of play. A huge shift is taking place as to how Americans view homosexuality. Gay people are our brothers, sisters, parents, soldiers, politicians -they are probably 10-15% of the population and they’ve always been with us and are as normal or abnormal as you or I. I hope and pray that the poor, misguided people who have been brainwashed will  begin to understand that we must move forward now. It’s known as evolution and we’ve wasted enough time with stupidity and ignorance.

Sorry, friend, it’s HER game.  

Read any background of Bachmann’s career, and you will see that no issue has more informed her rise to prominence than her anti-gay policy preferences.  Let’s not forget which party has wielded this issue like an axe for decades.  The fact that popular opinion has changed against her doesn’t get her off the hook for riding her homophobia to success.

Because this is the first time that they have not been.  Bachmann would prefer we simply ignore her decades-long record in politics, but that’s not how running for president works.  

So not true.  For the first time in history, the majority of Americans support gay marriage.  Obviously, the vast majority of us are far beyond this ridiculous obsession with being “normal.”

Funny how the whole “personal freedom” thing only gets you anywhere if its the kind of “freedom” condoned by conservatives.

Another reason that liberals who believe in NOTHING should not be allowed to comment on Jesus Christ. 
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The bible says that JESUS CHRIST IS GOD. 1tim 3:16, john1:1, 14. I realize that those of you in false churches only think of him as the Son. Read further. John 14;6-11 for instance. Or the prophesies about exactly who He would be, Isaiah 9:6, notice the “Everlasting Father” part.  Since Jesus GAVE THE INSPIRATION FOR ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES, THIS IS HIS OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON HOMOSEXUALITY…
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New International Version (NIV)9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.The bible says that in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established, which means that for a point of doctrine you need two scriptures that agree, so here is more scripture that was INSPIRED BY JESUS CHRIST.Romans 1:22-32Liberals are so stupid they don’t realize that Jesus didn’t put the pen to pad to write ANY of the books of the bible. So no matter what they want to quote they are at the end of the day, either taking an Apostles or in the case of Luke, a disciples, word for what Christ said anyway, which would make the effort to separate the “words of Christ” from those of his Apostles BEYOND STUPID, since they are ALL THE WORDS OF HIS APOSTLES, inspired by CHRIST. 

There is nothing wrong with being a gay or a lesbian.

Very balanced panel – weightwise.

Obama and Bachmann have the same view on gay marriage .

She’s running for president.  Every “personal opinion” she has is relevant, particularly when she has made a career out of trying to impose those personal opinions on the rest of us.

The woman supports a constitutional amendment denying gay couples the right to marry–of course this should matter to anyone who cares about equality.  This isn’t pandering, it is standing up for what is right.

You obviously are not married.

Her batting average is around the Mendoza Line, but Lilly has a point here.  I was bitching about how the republicans put gay issues at the forefront when the economy was a wreck under Bush to deflect attention away from it.  It’s not cricket to say they really don’t want to talk about gay issues now.  What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.  Obama and the Dems are just doing the same thing that Bush did when he was in power:  deflect attention from the economy by bringing up gay issues.

Bachmann lost all chances as a President elect or party elect for that matter once she pushed this to hard and then her Husband actually spoke..seems all families have secrets..  jus’ sayin i doubt anyone really gives a sheet about gay rights being stopped. Most want to live and let live in either party no? im gonna go smoke at my local restaurant and think bout this..oh wait..scratch that..

“”Liberal/progressive/socialist MSM ”"

this kind of talking is simply proof that faux knows they have sheep who tune into their nonsense and the simple minded can be easily swayed to believe any ridiculous partisan crap they throw out there.  They know their audience and they play you for a fiddle, all the way to the bank.

“I think the Republican Party would be well advised to get the heck out
of people’s bedrooms and let these things get decided by states. We’d be
a much more successful political party if we stuck to our economic,
conservative roots,” – Rudy Giuliani, concerning the legalization of gay marriage in New York.

yeah cause it totally ruins marriage if two people that love each other do it. How many people that say that are actually divorcees? why don’t conservatives crusade against divorce more firmly than gay marriage?

so jesus didn’t actually say any of those things? wow, i guess anything that the bible says is a lie.

I think it would be well advised for “everyone” to get the heck out of people’s bedrooms and let these things get decided by the people in the bedroom, as well as many other issues. – concerned citizen on to much government.

 Keith just for information with you moronic opinions and religious bullcrap you have no chance of getting the nomination either. However you and Michelle could go to bible study together and try to decipher ancient text that has been edited by ancient priest who were as flawed and biased as the rest of mankind.

If Bachmann is unable to speak about subjects of national interest without slipping into the whacko jargon of her religious cult, then she’s unable to process information in a way that makes her qualified to lead.

I have long considered her unqualified (not to mention odious), and she proves my point every time she opens her mouth. Republicans are going to suffer greatly in the eyes of the American public until and unless all these nutbags running for president fall by the wayside. Frankly, the only non-nutcase or no-hoper, like Paul) they’ve got at present is Romney.

Hey — how do you access the new “edit” feature that Disqus is supposed to provide? For that matter, how do you access any of the advanced features — the text entry window seems identical to the old Mediaite and the Disqus website only has information for site owners wanting to purchase their service.

Full disclosure: One of my two sons is gay. I don’t hide it or brag about it, but it has changed my perspective and I have gone from being totally neutral to actively supporting gay rights, but not as much as he does, of course. I am not as much at risk about it.

Anyway, he sent me a link that I wish I had it now because it is humorous as well as true. It says this:

The “traditional marriage” as taken from the bible includes: One man and one woman. One man and his sister (Where else did Adam and Eve’s grandchildren come from?) One man and many women, including concubines and maids who can bear children when his wife cannot. One man and his daughter(s). A few other combinations that I forgot, but a true scholar of the bible already knows them and isn’t telling us. God did not object to any of them as they are reported.

This is what I know from personal experience: I have never had a “gay” thought in my life, so it is not a choice for me that I am not gay. My son has never been attracted to women, and the same though about choice applies to him. He just is that way, and you would not know that he is gay unless he told you. He is definitely not into bestiality or a pedophile or any other “deviation. ” He is more religious than I am, so seeing “Christians” who are anti-gay really hurts him.

So what about the folks who are obsessed with the “sins” of being gay? Am I wrong to guess that they are fighting their own inner devils? A politician who is anti-gays when asked may be sincere or may be pandering for votes. A politician who constantly brings the subject up is obsessed in an unhealthy way. I suspect that many conservative politicians and preachers have a lot of both pandering and personal devils in them.

Just my opinion.

Same shoe, different foot, kicking in the opposite direction.  

I cannot agree on this point..one may be a shoe, the other has to be heels, 6 inch preferably.

I cannot support Bachman at this time because of her overt Religiosity.  She is incapable of separating her religious inclinations from her governance.  Some of the Founders, it is argued, were atheists, deists and agnostics.  Hmm.

They were for certain, erudite and enlightened men of their time, and “men of their time” were religious, to greater or lesser degrees.  The one commonality they all shared was innate recognition that Law must be based on REASON, not Monarchical or Religious caprice.  Such was the dominant philosophy of the Founding Fathers.  That reason, that objectivity is what allowed a very disparate group of men to create our Constitution.  (Also, has been referred to as “the miracle at Philadelphia)   

Anyway, Your letter above is nicely written.  Thoughtful, concerned, yet reasoned.  Well done.

If I may ask another question, however, the answer lies not in books, but in your intellect as it is presently?

What, is the differences between ethics and morals?  (how does such apply making and adjudicating law)  

I guess this would be categorized as Legal Philosophy.  

NOW, I am going to the range to shoot my Colt 1911.  But I hope we’ll talk later.

Purveyor

“They were for certain, erudite and enlightened men of their time, and
“men of their time” were religious, to greater or lesser degrees.  The
one commonality they all shared was innate recognition that Law must be
based on REASON, not Monarchical or Religious caprice.  Such was the
dominant philosophy of the Founding Fathers.  That reason, that
objectivity is what allowed a very disparate group of men to create our
Constitution.  (Also, has been referred to as “the miracle at
Philadelphia)   ”

Very good.

I recently watched a documentary called “The Bible Tells Me So” It concerns the great emotional and mental damage done by generations of religious indoctrination and ignorance concerning our gay citizens. Regardless of sincerity and mouthed good intentions or touted religious freedom, it is a serious moral failing being actively promoted by many people. It must be persistently and actively opposed and exposed as religion based bigotry. It’s shameful to harm innocent citizens, embrace ignorance, and deny equality, based on a “feeling” or the writings of an individual that lived 2000+ years ago, that have no real moral authority. Thank you to those Christians and others who are actively opposed to this ongoing issue. As with others, with each passing generation, we make a little progress.

I recently watched a documentary called “The Bible Tells Me So” It concerns the great emotional and mental damage done by generations of religious indoctrination and ignorance concerning our gay citizens. Regardless of sincerity and mouthed good intentions or touted religious freedom, it is a serious moral failing being actively promoted by many people. It must be persistently and actively opposed and exposed as religion based bigotry. It’s shameful to harm innocent citizens, embrace ignorance, and deny equality, based on a “feeling” or the writings of an individual that lived 2000+ years ago, that have no real moral authority. Thank you to those Christians and others who are actively opposed to this ongoing issue. As with others, with each passing generation, we make a little progress.

and DS;  it kinda cracks me up to compare your screen name to your well reasoned informative posts.

when I post an edit button appears by the post. I just edited one. I assume it is only available for a limited time.

I am definitely for getting out of people’s bedrooms……………..right after I set up my hidden webcam.

{joking}

LOL!  No one can make Mrs. Backmann “appear” homophobic; she’s too busy BEING homophobic without any help from anyone! 

Are you on drugs? I suggest you either stop ingesting them or secure higher quality drugs.

Republicans are the one’s who continually yap about “family values” the “gay agenda” “second amendment solutions”, etc. Of course, they don’t actually live by the rhetoric they espouse, but they do generate great sound bites.

Setting aside for a moment that she’s a zealot, Michele Bachmann can in no way defeat the articulate, moderate Barack Obama. She appeals to the conservative, Evangelical base and that’s it. Moderate Republicans and Independents generally see her as laughable. There is no way the GOP will choose her as their nominee because, quite simply, they want to win.

They’re not attacking a conservative candidate- they;re pointing out that her religious zealotry is going to lose her the nomination because she does not have a broad appeal- she can’t draw the young, the educated or the moderate.

I like your reply. The divorce rate in the Bible Belt of the US is FOUR times higher than the divorce rate of gay’s in the Netherlands where they have allowed gays to marry since 2001.  I find therefor that Gays are more inclined to follow the “til death do us part” more than the Bible Belter’s do.

I am however glad that over the last 50 years that the Dutch have become less strict about not working on Sunday’s. I only point this out because of the North Sea flood of 1953 came on a Sunday killing over 2500 people, those that were “religious” didn’t feel right in helping their fellow man be saved from drowning.

Actually if you look at the latest polls on whether that Gays should have the “Constitutional Right to Marry” the polls for 2010 showed 52% in favor and 46% against.

If they are only allowing straights to get married then we should only allow them to get married once.
We should also berate those ministers who lie their asses off. Pat Robertson claims that he bench presses 2000 pounds. I’m guessing that actually means that he can press the gas pedal of a car.
But he didn’t say that.