“Today, audience members were complaining about talking to people who were “oblivious” and “just don’t get it” and “only get their news from popular shows” (as opposed to one of the highest rated shows on the number one cable news channel).”

I gotta say, this cracked me up.

As much as I love Stewart and Colbert, it’s silly to use those shows as your main source of news. Those are opinion shows, and like most opinion shows, are more interested in stating opinions and analysis, not cold, hard, news.

Jeezzus keerist – no group represents the flock more than the The Tea Party = the Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest Movement — it’s what happens when you take the affliction of democracy – ignorance – and turn it into a political movement (Thanks, David Rothkopf)

Let the Beck trolling commence!

pakattak said:
As much as I love Stewart and Colbert, it’s silly to use those shows as your main source of news. Those are opinion shows, and like most opinion shows, are more interested in stating opinions and analysis, not cold, hard, news.

Sure, as long as no one insinuates that the facts used by opinion programming on any channel, be it CNN, Fox or MSNBC, are any more or less valid than those used by Stewart or Colbert. The goal is the same; the only difference is the delivery.

both stewart and colbert continue to say that they are not news shows, but it sounds like beck is trying to say he is better than them because “at least I’m giving it in context. I’m trying to make the news entertaining to bring people in, but Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, that’s not news. That’s a monologue. It’s jokes.”
that’s the exact same thing stewart and colbert do…except they are funny when they do it.
i watch beck to see what outrageous things he says and conclusion he reaches but he does the same thing they do…he shows clips and comments on them. the big difference is stewart and colbert know what they do is a joke.

“What better way to keep people sheep than making sure, and I’m part of this, making sure people get their news from a comedian? I mean, at least I’m giving it in context.

I agree somewhat with this statement. I believe Stewart and Colbert do not take things out of context. Its part of the reason they are so good at what they do, they can find clashing viewpoints coming from the same person while not removing the context of that person. Beck states that he has can make sure his followers are sheep. Glenn calls himself a rodeo clown for goodness sakes.

I say, people should not get their news for any commentator—and for the most part, I don’t believe the vast majority of people do get their news for talking heads.

Hey becktard, Jealous much ??

I guarantee all irony is lost on Glenn’s herd.

What Glenn Beck and the teabloggers fail to realize is you have to go into the Daily Show with a fair amount of knowledge to “get” the jokes. I’ll bet Daily Show viewers are MORE informed than the average American.

Besides, everyone knows all the morons watch Leno.

Now we know that Glen has no sense of irony.

“The past couple of days, Glenn Beck has been explaining to his audience how they can broach the subject of “what’s really going on” with friends and family members over Thanksgiving. ”

That’s our Glenn!!!!! He wants to spread his doom-and-gloom scenario to the fucking Thanksgiving table when, quite honestly, most normal people just want to be thankful.

Here’s an idea Becktards…when someone asks if you would like a second helping of potatoes you say, “Yes please…I might as well take it while I can with all the food shortages that are about to happen”

Brilliant!!!!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
…… I’ll bet Daily Show viewers are MORE informed than the average American.
.

That’s been proven time and time again, but it only underscores our elitism.

I’d love to be a fly on the wall when one of these conversations get going. Hey Milos good to have you here for Thanksgiving, isn’t it a shame that Soros toppled your communist government?

pakattak said:
As much as I love Stewart and Colbert, it’s silly to use those shows as your main source of news.

Ummm…most people would not watch a show lampooning the news unless they actually watched some real news.
Who the fuck wants to watch a Glenn Beck impersonation if you don’t know who Glenn Beck is?
It would be pointless,

People watch the Daily Show as their main source of COMEDY.

blurgh. said:
Sure, as long as no one insinuates that the facts used by opinion programming on any channel, be it CNN, Fox or MSNBC, are any more or less valid than those used by Stewart or Colbert. The goal is the same; the only difference is the delivery.

Uh, no. Stewart’s goal is the laughs. That’s why he’s on Comedy Central. In his own (somewhat dated) words (from one of the best guest appearances evah):

STEWART: It’s not honest. What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery. And I will tell you why I know it.

CARLSON: You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you’re accusing us of partisan hackery?

STEWART: Absolutely.

CARLSON: You’ve got to be kidding me. He comes on and you…

STEWART: You’re on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls.

Now, I’m not saying that there’s no truth in what Stewart does, but the biggest truth is that it is first and foremost comedy, in the form of news satire. He’s very, very good at it.

If you’re going to weigh the facts then you should forget about delivery and investigate the claims for yourself. If you’re taking anything you see on TV as Gospel because you’ve seen it on TV, you’re a moron. If you’re doing that with a comedy show, you’re a crazy moron. Or maybe just a sheep.

i agree with bfd on the leno audience…craig ferguson has the best show next to the daily show.
and guess what? what chili peppers fan. it’s a great day for america.

Pablo said:
Uh, no. Stewart’s goal is the laughs. That’s why he’s on Comedy Central. In his own (somewhat dated) words (from one of the best guest appearances evah):

Now, I’m not saying that there’s no truth in what Stewart does, but the biggest truth is that it is first and foremost comedy, in the form of news satire. He’s very, very good at it.

If you’re going to weigh the facts then you should forget about delivery and investigate the claims for yourself. If you’re taking anything you see on TV as Gospel because you’ve seen it on TV, you’re a moron. If you’re doing that with a comedy show, you’re a crazy moron. Or maybe just a sheep.

You mean Beck isn’t all about laughs?

Beck just has his panties in a twist because Stewart
nailed him in his bit with the puppets and turning becks
whole soros thing around to beck and rupert
Stewart is BRILLIANT and beck can’t stand that

iris said:
Hey becktard, Jealous much ??

im ted . granny iris ! your boss Big Shady Joe called . he wants his money , yo ! should i give him the money from under your work mattress ?

oh , uh , he said for you to bring me some cupcakes , too !

Plus with that bit Stewart embarrassed beck in front of the whole world
to the point beck whined on the radio about how people were laughing at him

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that’s the exact same thing stewart and colbert do…except they are funny when they do it.
i watch beck to see what outrageous things he says and conclusion he reaches but he does the same thing they do…he shows clips and comments on them. the big difference is stewart and colbert know what they do is a joke.

Exactly. Whenever Beck gets challenged he reminds people that he is not a journalist , but here he is implying that he presents the news with some context..

Jon and Stephen know they are not the news and say so. They give us a comedic overview of politics and media and the laughter is cathartic. They say, hey look at this bullshit, and we say Yeah, I know. except they are clever and funny and they don’t call the bullshit the truth.
Keeping people sheep?

SarahP said:
You mean Beck isn’t all about laughs?

Well, Woodrow Wilson is a comedy goldmine, but…no.

While Colbert and Stewart are comedians their cognitive gifts are obvious… Much of their comedy derives from their ability to frame events in a manner that seems sensible and absurd in union… Beck skill is malevolent… His capacity to bend reality through haphazard and slapdash amalgamation aims to demonize and divide alone… He is a festering public cancer.

Pablo said:
Well, Woodrow Wilson is a comedy goldmine, but…no.

You are a comedy gold mine. Dumb as a shovel and just as funny.

Pablo said:
Uh, no. Stewart’s goal is the laughs. That’s why he’s on Comedy Central. In his own (somewhat dated) words (from one of the best guest appearances evah):

Now, I’m not saying that there’s no truth in what Stewart does, but the biggest truth is that it is first and foremost comedy, in the form of news satire. He’s very, very good at it.

If you’re going to weigh the facts then you should forget about delivery and investigate the claims for yourself. If you’re taking anything you see on TV as Gospel because you’ve seen it on TV, you’re a moron. If you’re doing that with a comedy show, you’re a crazy moron. Or maybe just a sheep.

Ratings. They do it for ratings.

Take a Paxil and call me in the morning.

Pablo said:
Well, Woodrow Wilson is a comedy goldmine, but…no.

Considering that presidential rankings has Woodrow Wilson at #8 I’d say the only comedy comes from your knowledge about, well, anything of substance.

Pablo said:
. If you’re doing that with a comedy show, you’re a crazy moron. Or maybe just a sheep.

I agree with you on this one Pablo, but from all the talk of people actually getting their news from the Daily Show, I’d like to see any evidence of that. I can believe there are those who don’t get much from other TV sources and prefer the laugh, but as another poster mentioned, most folks who watch it have to understand enough to get the joke. I seriously doubt many people think they are truly informed just from watching Jon and Stephen.

I’m not sure I could say the same for Beck’s audience.

I hardly ever laugh out loud at articles here on Mediaite, but this got it out of me. Beck suggesting that the informative and biting satire of Stewart and Colbert (who has literally spoken truth to power on multiple occasions) are misleading pacifiers – while his hucksterism and misleading ignorance is somehow enlightening?

Haha, wow.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
“The past couple of days, Glenn Beck has been explaining to his audience how they can broach the subject of “what’s really going on” with friends and family members over Thanksgiving. ”

That was my first reaction. You want people to try and talk to their relatives about politics over Thanksgiving dinner? What a great idea.

If you want to encourage communication great but maybe another time is best.

iris said:
Beck just has his panties in a twist because Stewart
nailed him in his bit with the puppets and turning becks
whole soros thing around to beck and rupert
Stewart is BRILLIANT and beck can’t stand that

Maybe. Jon is threatened or outraged by Beck. He compliments what Beck does while he recognizes that it’s an act. Then he takes Beck’s act and demonstrates what nonsense it really is

So now Beck has to what? Start pretending his show is real news, after all those times he’s said he’s not a journalist?

Jon Stewart always called his show ‘Fake news’ and it is on Comedy Channel.

Context? I think so, Beck.

Bill Adkins said:
Jeezzus keerist – no group represents the flock more than the The Tea Party = the Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest Movement — it’s what happens when you take the affliction of democracy – ignorance – and turn it into a political movement (Thanks, David Rothkopf)

Fact: Grasshopper one day you may be able to grab the stone and get off the kool aid. Get a job and earn it yourself quit sucking on the government tit. It must be hard to know that Beck knows that you just don’t get it.

Although true the Daily Show and the Colbert Report are not news and are satire, Glenn needs to remember his show is not news either, it’s his opinion.

I am not a fan of Stewart or Colbert but Beck when you compare your show to their show you bring your show down to their level, making it seem that your show is just better comedy than theirs.

I gotta say, this year I haven’t really been liking his show. When he first started his show, albeit crazy, was funny and pretty informative. Now, it feels like I am watching an hour of church. Nothing wrong with that, it’s just that I hate church.

Hawk11 said:
Considering that presidential rankings has Woodrow Wilson at #8 I’d say the only comedy comes from your knowledge about, well, anything of substance.

Considering that you wrote that and meant it, I’d say that you’re too dumb to recognize sarcasm when you see it. Even faux-Sarah picked up on it, and she’s a pretty dim bulb.

Jackyboy said:
I gotta say, this year I haven’t really been liking his show. When he first started his show, albeit crazy, was funny and pretty informative. Now, it feels like I am watching an hour of church. Nothing wrong with that, it’s just that I hate church.

Accurate and funny. That’s how it’s done, kids!

CosmosDan said:
That was my first reaction. You want people to try and talk to their relatives about politics over Thanksgiving dinner? What a great idea. If you want to encourage communication great but maybe another time is best.

Mr Bexk we have a long standing rule in our family to NEVER discuss religion and politics at the dinner table. Thanks but no thanks.

Years from now people will be watching clips of Stewart/Colbert to get some understanding and laughs about what life was like around the turn of the 21st century. They’ll also be watching clips of Beck to get some insight about how this country went sour and the hokum that millions of people were taking seriously at that time. People, how can you take this guy seriously! You’re an embarrassment – he’s an embarrassment. Sooner or later, Beck is going to crash and/or will become too much of a liability even for Murdoch. Think Joseph McCarthy.

Some_Dude said:
I hardly ever laugh out loud at articles here on Mediaite, but this got it out of me. Beck suggesting that the informative and biting satire of Stewart and Colbert (who has literally spoken truth to power on multiple occasions) are misleading pacifiers – while his hucksterism and misleading ignorance is somehow enlightening? Haha, wow.

Gee Dude you had me fooled. I thought most people came here for their daily laugh. What are we doing wrong?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Grasshopper one day you may be able to grab the stone and get off the kool aid. Get a job and earn it yourself quit sucking on the government tit. It must be hard to know that Beck knows that you just don’t get it.

If I didn’t pay more in taxes in one year than you make in three I might take your advice.

Bill Adkins said:
If I didn’t pay more in taxes in one year than you make in three I might take your advice.

im ted. my granny iris told me people that say they make a lot of muney are usually flaming wino carnival geek hillbillies frum kentuckey . I concur .

Pablo said:
Considering that you wrote that and meant it, I’d say that you’re too dumb to recognize sarcasm when you see it. Even faux-Sarah picked up on it, and she’s a pretty dim bulb.

If I didn’t recognize your comment as sarcasm, then that’s on me. Whereas Sarah Palin would still make sure it was your fault.

The more interesting (bizarre?) attack came from Beck’s guest, Dr. Keith Ablow, who said that jokes and entertainment can be “a drug” and that they thusly lead to denial (which, I’m sure, then leads to anger and, eventually, the dark side).

How about in 2011, instead of comparing everything to Hitler and the Nazis, we start comparing everything to Darth Vader and the Empire.

For example, Roger Ailes on NPR:

“They have a kind of an Empire attitude. They are the left wing of the Empire. These guys don’t want any other point of view. They don’t even feel guilty using tax dollars to spout their propaganda. They are basically the Empire with government funding to keep them alive.”

Bill Ayers said:
I think the best place to get the news is The Daily Show, Comedy Central, The Onion. Those places, they’re trustworthy, they’re honest, they strip the mask off the hypocrisy. They do what the media is supposed to do.P>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwdlu2qAlMU (skip to 8:09)

From this video (skip to 8:09)

Bill Adkins said:
If I didn’t pay more in taxes in one year than you make in three I might take your advice.

Fact: You’re a dumb shit that pays too much in taxes. My tax accountant gets me a few back since I add extra weekly so I don’t get the annual butt fuk Bill treatment from the IRS. More than me yearly not a chance!

CosmosDan said:
Jon is threatened or outraged by Beck.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe. Jon is threatened or outraged by Beck. He compliments what Beck does while he recognizes that it’s an act. Then he takes Beck’s act and demonstrates what nonsense it really is

So now Beck has to what? Start pretending his show is real news, after all those times he’s said he’s not a journalist?

Just noticed a mistake in the above post.

I meant to type “Jon is NOT threatened or outraged by Beck”

News flash for Mr. Beck: Beck is not news either.

Both Beck and Stewert play to their audiences. They exist to make money. The time Stewert was on Maddow’s show he would have loved to tell her she was full of shit about 3 or more times during the interview but he just rolled his eyes instead. Why? Some of Maddow’s audience is his. Can’t fuck with the gravy train. If he was on Fox he could be more honest because he won’t lose any fan base. Same with Beck. Anybody that takes either one of them seriously is a fool.

Because it is revealed in such lovely detail… Beck’s Goldline scam…

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/GoldlineGlennBeck4.jpg

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i agree with bfd on the leno audience…craig ferguson has the best show next to the daily show.and guess what? what chili peppers fan. it’s a great day for america.

YES! I am watching an episode of Craig Ferguson’s show as I type this and he is reminding me that he is one of the most original and innovative hosts in late night talk. He is absolutely wonderful.

It’s amazing how much dis-information comes out of that network. No wonder a majority of FOX viewers think Saddam was responsible for 9/11 and also believe that TARP was passed under Obama (it was actually Dubya). I’ll never forget months after the election when they Brietbarted Biden (they apologized for the “mistake” the next day). The panel wasn’t told that the quote was from months ago and that Joe was actually quoting McCain! They ripped him good. FOX actually apologized for misrepresenting what they claim Biden said months after the election? March 2009, Fox News’ Martha MacCallum: “Take a look at what was said in recent interviews this weekend.” Fox then aired a clip of Biden stating: “The fundamentals of the economy are strong.” The panel FOX assembled wasn’t told that Biden was quoting McCain and that it wasn’t recent. There are hundreds of similar examples of FOX’s deception. Let me know if you’d like an emailed list.

Greg said:
Because it is revealed in such lovely detail… Beck’s Goldline scam… http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/0/GoldlineGlennBeck4.jpg

whats this, like the 10th time you’ve posted this link?

BarneyFranken said:
whats this, like the 10th time you’ve posted this link?

Glad you noticed… Try to include it on every Beck article… Must miss some as I work often and miss much… But glad to embed it for the inevitable analysis done by a more digitally competent posterity.

BruceGoose said:
How about in 2011, instead of comparing everything to Hitler and the Nazis, we start comparing everything to Darth Vader and the Empire.

For example, Roger Ailes on NPR:

“They have a kind of an Empire attitude. They are the left wing of the Empire. These guys don’t want any other point of view. They don’t even feel guilty using tax dollars to spout their propaganda. They are basically the Empire with government funding to keep them alive.”

I’d go with that. Here are some more examples:
G. Beck: Impressive. Most Impressive. Olberwann has taught you well. You have controlled your fear. Now, release your anger. Only your hatred can destroy me. (to Jon Stewart)

Obama, Nov. 3, 2010. “I don’t, I don’t believe it”
Yoda: “That is why you fail.”

Rand Paul: “I find your lack of tea party faith disturbing…..”
Move-on.org activist: “urrrrrrrggggggggg”

George Soros: “Obama is as clumsy as he is stupid….You have failed me for the last time, Admiral….”

Greg said:
Glad you noticed… Try to include it on every Beck article… Must miss some as I work often and miss much… But glad to embed it for the inevitable analysis done by a more digitally competent posterity.

I’m glad you’re trying to make folks aware of Beck’s scam, but your link is currently dead. I did a Google image search and discovered that you’re link is missing a ’7′ in the URL (as in /2010/07/Goldline…). Here is the repaired link:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/GoldlineGlennBeck4.jpg

… I meant ‘your’ not ‘you’re’ – for the grammar/spelling police out there.

Today, audience members were complaining about talking to people who were “oblivious” and “just don’t get it” and “only get their news from popular shows” (as opposed to one of the highest rated shows on the number one cable news channel)

Jon Bershad said:
Today, audience members were complaining about talking to people who were “oblivious” and “just don’t get it” and “only get their news from popular shows” (as opposed to one of the highest rated shows on the number one cable news channel)

Touché!

Nice article. I agree with Glenn Beck, though. Jon Stewart viewers become, if they are not already, sheep.

/\ Exhibit A /\

Beck is projecting, I find it hilarious that Beck is complaining about what he does on a daily basis.

http://people-press.org/report/319/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions

The rankings of political knowledge

gar said:
Both Beck and Stewert play to their audiences. They exist to make money. The time Stewert was on Maddow’s show he would have loved to tell her she was full of shit about 3 or more times during the interview but he just rolled his eyes instead. Why? Some of Maddow’s audience is his. Can’t fuck with the gravy train. If he was on Fox he could be more honest because he won’t lose any fan base. Same with Beck. Anybody that takes either one of them seriously is a fool.

Jon has said several times he likes Maddow and what she does so maybe it’s just polite disagreement which is his style. One reason conservatives like his show is that he actually listens and lets them make their point. He’s just not the kind of interviewer who gets pissed and tells someone they’re full of crap.
He’s been on ORielly at least twice and just asked Chris Wallace if he could go on his show. He’s honest but remains controlled and somewhat polite. He told Orielly he was the skinniest kid at fat camp, comparing Fox’s craziness to ORielly’s.

Thorkil Kowalski Værge said:
Nice article. I agree with Glenn Beck, though. Jon Stewart viewers become, if they are not already, sheep.

IN what way exactly are they sheep? FAns? Yup Loyal, or avid fans? Sure None of that denotes

Sheep as in , someone easily led, or follows without thinking, I just don’t see it.

Pot meet kettle Glenn….

ChiliPeppersFan says:
“[Beck] does the same thing they do…he shows clips and comments on them. the big difference is stewart and colbert know what they do is a joke.”

Beck used to tell his viewers that he’s just a rodeo clown and that he should not be taken seriously. Then Beck decided to take Beck seriously. Beck has decided that he’s going to be the leader to take this country back (to the 19th Century). With Broke, and his 100 year plan, Beck has jumped up on his toddler chair to reach up and scratch his name on the wall of history.

This transformation from Lonesome Rhodes to televangelist Elmer Gantry took place this year.

Now: a long conversation took place last night with a journalist snooping around in Beck’s “closet” conveyed a conversation he had with a DJ Beck used to work with and hang out with. That guy (I don’t have his name because I’m not home) claims that Beck is in way over his head. So he’s trapped now between the rodeo clown funny man of 2009 and the serious leader of a reactionary movement of 2010. He’s too self-important for the former and too unqualified for the latter.

Go to his Blaze.com and read the comments. His minions are ready to start killing protesters, so this is not a minor, funny matter. Beck has a counter-revolutionary army on stand-by to start murdering people they see as progressives protesting. Check it out and correct me where I’m wrong about his gullible minions.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/preparing-for-revolution-progressive-media-knows-food-crisis-and-violence-are-coming/

CosmosDan says:
“Sheep as in , someone easily led, or follows without thinking, I just don’t see it.”

It’s a put down for people who don’t believe what he tells his viewers to be the “truth.” If you think, like Bernake and Soros and many others, that we’re in a deflationary period, then you’re a “sheep.” If you don’t think, like Beck does, that the shit is about to hit the fan, then you’re a “sheep.”

If you don’t buy Beck’s alternative universe, if you don’t accept the narrative that he puts forth, that progressives are destroying this country, then you’re a “sheep.” Here’s the kicker: who buys into his put down and alternative universe? Gullible and basically ignorant people, people one is terribly tempted to call sheeple. There are a number of sheeple who defend Beck on here every day. I prefer to call them tools.

Bill Adkins said:
Jeezzus keerist – no group represents the flock more than the The Tea Party = the Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest Movement — it’s what happens when you take the affliction of democracy – ignorance – and turn it into a political movement (Thanks, David Rothkopf)

Yeah, it really gets yuchy when they give the vote to people who disagree with you.

By the way, since you are so much smarter than everyone else, would you please give me a list of the top ten most successful countries in history that used central planning over say a 100 year period.

Thank you for your enlightened guidance.

betweentwoevils says:
“News flash for Mr. Beck: Beck is not news either.”

But he’s a masterful propagandist. I call him a yellow propagandist, as in yellow journalism without the news.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/what-is-color-of-glenn-beck.html

Unfortunately, we can only speculate about the IQ’s of the respective audiences. It is well understood that on average liberals have a higher IQ than conservatives. However, that doesn’t translate unto gullibility. What’s is needed is a healthy dose of skepticism. Beck tells his tools to fact-check him, so why do they not? I think that may of them find one fact that Beck gets right, and then go back to reading his books or playing video games or praying (on their knees of course, just as Pastor Beck insists).

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm

Beck’s orders and commands to his tools means that Beck steps on the Gadsen flag. Ironic, huh? Plus, there’s evidence that Beck is as gullible as his viewers are when info is presented that Beck WANTS TO beleive.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/rachel-maddow-exposes-one-of-becks-lies.html

How big of a tool sheep would that gal have to be, to say “they don’t get it”? That clown follower must think Beck is something other than a joke that spins and makes up lies for the weak, non-fact checkers! Stewart jokes about the news and spins for fun, some true, some not, little comic bits! You see how following one source clouds the sheep mind!

RichS says:
“would you please give me a list of the top ten most successful countries in history that used central planning over say a 100 year period.”

Why? The only people who think that central planning is relevant to any American conversation are gullible tools who buy Beck’s false narrative.

There is an epistemic question at the root of this debate. On one hand are Beck’s followers who swallow the nonsense that Beck spews. They have an understanding of a made up world view (Beck’s, Koch’s, Murdoch’s, etc.) that is not shared by other people’s understanding of the world. Two world views and two crowds pointing fingers at each other claiming the other to be “sheep.”

Only one side has actual facts on their side, and from my research over the last 7 months, I have epistemic certainty that Beck does not have the facts on his side. He sprinkles enough facts in to make his gullible tools believe that we’re on the verge of financial collapse, or whatever, other fear that he mongers (to help Goldline sell gold).

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/09/becks-apocalypse-now-helps-boost-his.html

Unfortunately, we can only speculate about the IQ’s of the respective audiences. It is well understood that on average liberals have a higher IQ than conservatives.

GBR, when books such as The Bell Curve came out, didn’t the left insist that IQ tests were all skewed and amounted to little more than worthless crap?

writer says:
“GBR, when books such as The Bell Curve came out, didn’t the left insist that IQ tests were all skewed and amounted to little more than worthless crap?”

Every once in a while I have to answer thus: I have no idea. Cite a reference, and I’ll investigate.

BTW, those results were not based on The Bell Curve. IO numbers are from IQ And The Wealth Of Nations.

The Bell Curve is a 1994 book by Harvard psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein and American Enterprise Institute political scientist Charles Murray. Most of the controversy concerns Chapters 13 and 14, in which the authors wrote about racial differences in intelligence and discuss the implications of those differences. The authors were reported throughout the popular press as arguing that these IQ differences are genetic, and they did indeed write in chapter 13: “It seems highly likely to us that both genes and the environment have something to do with racial differences.”

GBR, the left was outraged with their hypothesis and took great pains to denounce IQ tests. Guess you must have missed it.

writer says:

“Guess you must have missed it.”

You guess? Since I already admitted that, your “guess” is more stating the obvious.

BTW, that comment was the best example of real writing that I’ve ever noticed from you. Informed, detailed, good English. Where did you copy it from?

Hilarious, GBR. Too bad Ed Sullivan is dead. You could go on right after the guy who spins the plates.

BTW, Kudos, GBR. You made it through a couple of posts without mentioning Beck. The withdrawal symptoms will probably start soon. Try to ride it out.

Humans and sheep, share profound similarities. I’m told, they are anatomically identical when it comes to their genitalia. Media uses this phenomenon, to exploit our bah bah mentalities. Thanks to Skinner and his behavioral cronies, you can now lead a horse to water and make him drink, fart, reguritate and even take his shoes off. Regretably, we give far too much credence to the so-called “experts” of our times. Most, are simply, educated idiots. ALL, have one universial aim in life, to be exalted. Cases in point, Doc Philly McGraw, now crusading against “bullies” and “domestic abusers”, is merely doing so because he’s hit on a ratings bonanza.
He could care less, if John kills Jane or Chubby Charlie gets mutilated by a swarm of wayward delinquents. Oprah, inspires her herd of sheep, by giving away free cars and trips that didn’t cost her a dime. Sheep are most compliant, just before the slaughter. Advertisers and the media, are dependent on this asinine behavior.

So…how do you sheep cripple this vicious cycle? Start, by turning the idiot box OFF! If you are accustomed to sipping Maxwell House, shift to Folgers. Don’t buy, Kim Kardippians perfume! Before exposing her baloon butt and sublime family ties…the only thing she knew about perfume was the price tag. Media is the quintessential puppet master, a narcotic for the masses, and a bona fide avenue for converting humans into
lambs. To put it into perspective, start counting every pharmaceutical advertisement you see in the course of a day. If the drug cartels in Columbia and Mexico had this kind of clout, fewer people would be losing their heads.

In summary, NO ONE in media or the corporate circus is your friend. They exist for one purpose, to extract every dollar they can from your pockets and your childrens piggy banks. Dr Ozzy and the other doctors on primetime are pushers for the American cartels. If you can turn your back on one product, you can turn your back on all. Reshuffle. at your own leisure. Make intelligent decisions about you and yours, and the products you want to purchase. Oh! And please…avoid the Box Office. Those Hollyweird yo yos, should be paying us to watch the sludge their producing. Besides, that ten bucks a ticket, can go a long way in feeding you or someone needy. Are you ready to be a CONQUISTADOR?

writer says:
“Too bad Ed Sullivan is dead. You could go on right after the guy who spins the plates.”

I take it from the lack of red-hot denial that you copied it from Wikipedia. Hmmmm. Let me look.

Oh snap! Look what I found:

“Most of the controversy concerns Chapters 13 and 14, in which the authors wrote about racial differences in intelligence and discuss the implications of those differences. The authors were reported throughout the popular press as arguing that these IQ differences are genetic, and they did indeed write in chapter 13: “It seems highly likely to us that both genes and the environment have something to do with racial differences.”

Where? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

Damn it I’m good! Actually, I just knew that you don’t write well, “writer.”

Let me just ask: has Colbert or Stewart ever clearly claimed to be “the news” in any way outside of tongue-in-cheek? I don’t think so.

GBR, you asked for a source and I gave you one. Wikipedia gave the authors of the book and told what was controversial about it. If you didn’t want any info, why did you ask for it? BTW, this is what, three whole posts now where you haven’t mentioned Beck? Are the cold sweats and tremors coming on yet?

GBR, I realize that Wikipedia isn’t the stellar source like the ones you’re always referencing, such as “I hate Glenn Beck”. Not everyone can be as unbiased as you.

“writer” says:
“GBR, I realize that Wikipedia isn’t the stellar source like the ones you’re always referencing, such as “I hate Glenn Beck”. ”

First, as usual, you completely miss my point. I noted that what you posted was written well and speculated that you must have C & P it. Then I quickly proved myself right. I never said that I didn’t appreciate the information; I just knew that it wasn’t your writing because you’re not a writer.

Next, I don’t reference “I have Glenn Beck.” That is one person of many who opposes lies and mass hypnosis of a con man, but I never use his material. The blog “Glenn Beck is an Idiot” actually uses my OC sometimes.

Now who’s bringing up Glenn Beck? Was not I.

Back to my original point about the respective audiences, liberals on average are smarter than conservatives. Ergo, Stewart’s audience is smarter than Beck’s. (I mean, really, who believes the completely insane nonsense that comes from Beck?) The people who Beck “wakes up” were actually sleeping previously, and that explains their ignorance. Stewart’s audience wasn’t sleeping to begin with.

When a Beckerhead says, “Wake up,” they need to be snapped out of the hypnotic trance that Beck has put them in. I jest, but just a little. Beck supporters have been sold a bill of goods, and Beck is now telling them to spread the disinformation, “but don’t say ‘Glenn Beck says…’ ” That’s because informed people will laugh you away from the dinner table.

People who want to learn about Glenn Beck need to spend time this weekend watching (again) Citizen Kane. It’s Beck’s favorite movie, and you will find out what Beck is actually up to.

When Beck tells his sheeple what to do, how to dress, how to pray, what to say and how to think, he is taking a massive dump on their Gadsen flags. As ironic as that is, these super-patriots don’t even notice that a control freak is ordering them around.

Irony abounds in Beck’s Twilight Zone..

Gee, GBR, you once again said I’m not a writer. I’m desolate over that. I’ll admit it takes great writing ability to write “Glenn Beck is a liar” over and over. Wherever do you get the ideas? Always fresh, always exciting!

“writer” says:
” I’ll admit it takes great writing ability to write “Glenn Beck is a liar” over and over.”

I’ll give you $100.00 for every time I wrote that on this story board. Go ahead, look. Find it once?

D’OH!

God, it’s easy to mock you, “writer.” You just keep sticking your foot in your mouth deeper and deeper. Good thing though, because that is the only “deep” thing about you.

Remind me next time I address one of your inane comments to not waste my time. The cure for ignorance is information, but there is no cure for stupid. “writer,” you’re just stuck that way.

J.S. Mill: “The antidote for bad speech is more speech.” If only someone would offer the antidote for gullibility.

Beck calls people who watch The Daily Show “sheep.” Irony abounds in Beck’s Twilight Zone.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. If one of your relatives tries to bring up the price of food, that person is a Beckerhead spreading their master’s misinformation. Feel free to swat them with an idiot stick. (I carry one to my in-laws every time I go there.)

Such a typically sick, twisted, ugly little Repug.

Kudos, GBR. Even with your limited mental ability, you can occasionally make it through a few posts without mentioning Beck. I’ve even congratulated you on fighting your obsession. Did you miss those posts where I said I was rooting for you to kick your obsessive Beck addiction? Not all, but the majority of your posts are the same. Beck is a hypocrite, Beck is a liar, his followers are ‘sheep’. We get it. Keep fighting that obsession and perhaps one day you won’t be such a one trick pony.

“writer” says:

“the majority of your posts are the same. Beck is a hypocrite, Beck is a liar, his followers are ’sheep’.”

You seem to have me confused with Beck; I refer to Beck’s followers as tools. The third important criticism I have of Mr. Beck is that he’s a charlatan. You see, Beck is not ready for the show he’s putting on; he’s talented, but in wayyyyyyy over his head. He doesn’t seem to know much more about civics, history or political theory than you do, and that’s not much.

To stress again: I don’t care what his politics are if he really had a position to hold. My point is that he is a high school graduate “teaching” a history by C. Skousen that is deeply flawed. Beck has shown himself to be as gullible as his followers regarding misinformation.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/rachel-maddow-exposes-one-of-becks-lies.html

Yeah, GBR. I’m sure Beck’s politics have nothing to do with your criticisms of him. You’re equally as tough on the hosts of left wing opinion shows. Like when Olbermann didn’t know the difference between Noah’s Ark and the Ark of the Covenant, I’m sure you were all over it.

“writer” says:

“I’m sure Beck’s politics have nothing to do with your criticisms of him. You’re equally as tough on the hosts of left wing opinion shows.”

I have pointed out lies in the past when Olbermann states one both on MediaFight and on The Glenn Beck Review (before pointing out that PolitiFact has caught one from Olbermann to 8 by Beck). You just conveniently miss it.

If Beck were an honest Libertarian, it would make for interesting debate, but before honest debate can begin, one must have an honest debater. That’s not Beck. Not even close.

Epistemically, being left makes it easier to detect misinformation coming from the right-wingers and vice versa. I’m sure a conservative or reactionary could detect more flaws in Olbermann’s reporting than I catch. Then there are apologists and propagandists who do not care at all about facts and only argue for their lies (which they call facts). Gordon, the blow hard with a show, falls into that category.

You, “writer,” just seem to fall into the category of passive victim of propaganda who votes against your own interests. I could be wrong, but you don’t come off as either a business owner or a wealthy man.

I’m not the only one who thinks that FoxPAC has created an alternate reality.

Charles Krauthammer, a frequent guest on Fox News, accepted from News Corp. the Eric Breindel Award for Excellence in Opinion Journalism. Here is the part of his acceptance speech where he mentions that Fox News has “created an alternate reality.”

KRAUTHAMMER: “What Fox did is not just create a venue for alternative opinion. It created an alternate reality. A few years ago, I was on a radio show with a well-known political reporter who lamented the loss of a pristine past in which the whole country could agree on what the facts were, even if they disagreed on how to interpret and act upon them. All that was gone now. The country had become so fractured we couldn’t even agree on what reality was. What she meant was that the day in which the front page of The New York Times was given scriptural authority everywhere was gone, shattered by the rise of Fox News.”

http://foxnewsboycott.com/fox-news/fox-news-has-created-an-alternate-reality/

you don’t come off as either a business owner or a wealthy man.

Glenn Beck is wealthy. Exactly how is a ‘wealthy man’ supposed to ‘come off’?

What makes Beck so comical is that he continues flip-flopping on whether people should take him seriously

We have numerous clips where he claims that he is just being an entertainer and him pissing off liberals shows how they dont get him

We have numerous clips of him stating something serious and demanding to be taken 100% serious! Now! Liberals dismissing me are bias!

DrFunke says:
“What makes Beck so comical is that he continues flip-flopping on whether people should take him seriously
We have numerous clips where he claims that he is just being an entertainer and him pissing off liberals shows how they dont get him
We have numerous clips of him stating something serious and demanding to be taken 100% serious! Now! Liberals dismissing me are bias!”

You are getting at the core of an internal deliberation I’ve been having this last weekend. What would it mean to take someone, who plays loose and fast with the facts, seriously? How does one take someone, who has not expressed a “principle” that he hasn’t turned around and taken a dump on, seriously?

Beck’s lies and hypocrisy make it damn well impossible to take him seriously, not to mention his own claims to being a “rodeo clown.”

What would it mean to take Beck seriously? It would require empathy, to put oneself in the shoes of a supporter to understand how they take Beck seriously. It would require a kind of emptying of the mind, a kind of self-dumbing down. It would involve taking his followers seriously, or at least understanding them in a serious way. THAT would require disciplined, objective journalism (just to keep a straight face).

What do Beck’s sheep do reacting to Beck’s lies and smears?

From David Brock:

What has Glenn Beck’s response been to the revelation that his false and paranoid attacks on the Tides Foundation inspired viewer Byron Williams to target Tides employees for death?

Doubling down.

Beck dedicated his Friday night Fox News show to yet another extended attack on the Tides Foundation, accusing the progressive institution of subverting churches, turning children against their parents and spreading “anti-human” theories.

A week ago we told you the story of Williams, who was incited by the conspiracy theories of right-wing media figures to try and assassinate employees of the progressive Tides Foundation and the ACLU. The same lies and smears that Williams said “blew my mind” go on every day at Fox.

Instead of recognizing the danger and taking appropriate action, Fox News is allowing and encouraging Beck’s violent rhetoric, abdicating the responsibility the public expects of a powerful broadcaster. That is why targeting Glenn Beck’s advertisers is no longer enough — we need to hold the entire network accountable.

Tell major advertisers it’s time to drop Fox.

Thanks to the help of dedicated people like you, hundreds of sponsors have refused to advertise on Beck’s program — but Fox still stands behind Beck. News Corp. claims the lost ad dollars from Beck simply move to other shows.

On Friday, Drummond Pike, the founder and CEO of the Tides Foundation, issued an impassioned call for advertisers to leave Fox News entirely or be complicit in their promotion of Beck’s anti-government extremism and unhinged conspiracy-mongering. Pike noted:

“Businesses that pay to broadcast commercials on Fox News are subsidizing Glenn Beck’s television show by continuing to pump money into the network. It has become clear that the only way to stop supporting Beck is to stop supporting Fox News.

“I respectfully request that you bring this matter of your company’s sponsorship of hate speech leading to violence to the attention of your fellow directors as soon as possible. I believe no responsible company should advertise on Fox News due to its recent and on-going deplorable conduct.”

We agree. That is why, along with People For the American Way, we’re launching a new campaign to get Fox’s major advertisers to stop supporting the network and its promotion of a climate of fear and suspicion that could lead to another Oklahoma City.

Fox News provides Beck a platform for rhetoric and lies that have real, and potentially deadly, consequences. Whether they realize it or not, these sponsors support it with their advertising dollars — and they need to hear from you that funding Fox and Beck is wrong.

Click here to see a list of major Fox News sponsors and demand they stop supporting Fox and Beck with their dollars.

Become a factor in the war on misinformation. Tell major advertisers it’s time to drop Fox.

Glenn beck and his mindless followers have to be the biggest flock of sheep out there today! lol Any one who take that wacko seriously need their head examined.

Poor Writer, sounds like your brain is totally fried with the FOX fake news and Beck wacko-isms. You need a brake!! Stop watching that crap and watch some real news for a change.

“writer” says:
“Glenn Beck is wealthy. Exactly how is a ‘wealthy man’ supposed to ‘come off’?”

I’m writing about you “writer.” You don’t come off as accomplished at much of anything other than undermining your own economic interest.