Glenn Beck’s Crazy 9/12 Tea Party Had Nothing To Do With 9/11
Even leaving aside the supposedly activating 9/12 principles, there was precious little mention of the volunteerism that ran rampant after 9/11, beyond the generic “helping our neighbors” reference early on. That might have been a good segue into President Barack Obama’s designation of the day as a day not only of remembrance but of service, but there was no mention of that.
What was mentioned, in no particular order of craziness and insanity:
- Taking back the government – to do…what? “The question is, who are Americans….do we rule, or does the government rule?” This, by the way, is after a montage of the Founding Fathers. Who wrote the – what’s that thing again? – ah yes, the CONSTITUTION.
- The scary, scary media: “Does the media make the decisions – does the media reflect us, or does the media expect US to reflect THEM?” Beck included himself in the “us” – though, of course, he did so from the comfort of a New York TV studio at Fox News, where he currently HOSTS A DAILY HOUR-LONG TELEVISION SHOW.
- Beck, invoking Thomas Jefferson, announced the “Whistleblower Program,” teased for unveiling Monday. What was that again about helping your friends and neighbors?
- Beck bemoaning the partisan name-calling that goes on. Like calling someone a racist. Who does that? Oh, only…Glenn Beck, who as Brian Stelter pointed out, called Obama a racist just this past July.
- A touching montage of faces. Not a montage of the faces of the 9/11 dead, which we saw rise above Jay-Z last night in his tribute concert at Madison Square Garden, but a montage of faces of people who had emailed their photos in to Glenn Beck. Doesn’t quite carry the same…weight.
- Frequent cutaways to the rally in D.C., with excited attendees mentioning frequently how grateful they were for…Glenn Beck. Direct quote: “Glenn Beck, the American People owe you a great debt of gratitude.”
- Beck making an awkward wet-tshirt joke to an elderly couple in their 70s. It was raining, after all. The plucky attendee, bless her heart, was game: “I like playing around in the rain!” I can’t un-see that moment, nor can I un-cringe from the memory.
- Beck interviewing someone the Ayn Rand Institute and declaring himself a huge Rand fan (except for his belief in God, of course). No mention of Howard Roark being a rapist, a building-bombing terrorist or a fan of public nudity.
- Does cutting away for 30 seconds to President Obama’s speech count as being mentioned? OK, then, Obama’s speech got mentioned. “Now back to Glenn Beck!”
This didn’t feel like a 9/11 tribute. I’m not even sure Beck paused to make mention of firefighters and first responders. It did, however, feel like a crass and obvious attempt to exploit a national tragedy. I would add “for a specific political agenda” but honestly, specifics were what eluded me throughout the broadcast, as the protesters decried government intervention in their orderly, permit-provided, police-protected, traffic-controlled display of public dissent.
It also felt crazy. And, to be honest, very sad.
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This was my impression. I am, however, willing to be corrected! So, to that end, please watch this video and tell me what the point is, other than vague defiance coupled with iconic American images married with confusing Saddam-Hussein-Iraq-War images merged with September 11th images, which should certainly help with all those people who are still convinced that Saddam was connected to 9/11. Good times.
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Cecelia says: Well, your confusion, Ms Skylar, stems from the fact that you see the day after 9/11 as being just one more call to another “We Are The World” video, and Beck sees it as a different sort of wake-up call.
That this seems to be extent of your reflections about that day– bad, sad…sad…bad… is very likely the point Beck is trying to make.
He may confuse YOU, however, he’s certainly not confused or surprised by you.
Dear Rachel,
I am your average tax-paying hard-working american. I am fairly certain that you have no clue what Glenn Beck stands for, who he is, or why we watch his show. Wake up. BOTH PARTIES ARE USING YOU. This isn’t about right or left, and it’s not about Glenn Beck. It’s about patriots who are sick and tired of seeing liars, and special-interest yes men in the US government. I flew all the way to DC from Nevada to witness history today.
I am a registered independent voter. Republicans make me sick and Democrats make me just a little bit sicker!
Those of us who came to DC today are not crazy right-wing wackos. We are your neighbors. Read the constitution, AS IT WAS WRITTEN, and you will know what the tea party stands for!
andreaburke says: I’m so glad you wrote this, and I hope conservatives read it and wake up. I’ve been doing the glenn beck project on my blog- http://cornucopia2009.wordpress.com/ – Sorry if that feels like a pitch- I’m not trying to. Basically, I watched commented on Beck’s TV show for a week and because I’m pretty much surrounded by Beck enthusiasts here in the south.
I, too, noticed Beck’s self-promotion, his claim that he’s not biased, but clearly is, his bizarre relationship with his viewers. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard a person tell me verbatim something that came out of his mouth, but present it as their own opinion- It’s scary. And ironic that he pretends that he’s the only one to trust, but I don’t think he’s trustworthy at all. Mainly, because he contradicts half the things that come out of his mouth a sentence later. It’s baffling how his viewers don’t recognize it.
I really appreciated your article
@eclecticang
I see the day after 9/11 as one where a group of terrorists accomplished exactly what they sought out to do. Provoke a highly emotional, irrational segment of our population to support a protracted war in two sovereign countries that not only had nothing to do with the actual event but were enemies of Al Qaeda. Where were these loons the last eight years when Bush Jr. plunged this country into record setting levels of debt? Where were your tea parties then?
Your tea party isn’t about taxes. It isn’t about socialism. It isn’t about health care.
It is about manipulation, lies, distortion, and bitterness. The wake up call came last November, when the majority of this country was sick and tired of YOUR bullshit.
Cecelia says: Now, Anthony, Democrats voted to go into Iraq and even more of them voted to go into Afghanistan, and they continue to fund both fronts now.
That screed is made even more ironic considering that the president is sending MORE troops into Afghanistan and, aside for waterboarding, has pretty much kept all the icky “illegal” means of combating terrorism.
You seem to a point where you don’t even fit in with these November victors.
Perhaps THAT should be YOUR wake-up call.
Iraq War Resolution vote: 215 Republicans voted yes, 6 voted no. 82 Democrats voted yes, 126 voted no.
Get your facts straight and stop selling fear.
I do not support the President continuing to fight a war in Afghanistan, I don’t support the president on every issue. I’m against corporate welfare and bailouts. I’m not a lunatic that thinks the president is a socialist.
You’re hypocrites. I’ll call the president out on Afghanistan RIGHT NOW, but these tea baggers didn’t make a peep when Reagan, Bush Jr. and Bush Sr. were running up the debt at record levels.
I am wondering whether to laugh out loud or cry. You are so clueless.
I was there in DC in spirit. My sister, my aunt and my neice were there in body. We are ENTIRELY FED UP with the road your “messiah” is taking us down. I’m an Air Force brat. I lived in Europe, I MISSED this country. I grew up with Jimmah Cartah and waiting for gas.
I KNOW what this man-boy wants to do to this country. We ARE DONE!!! There are enough true AMERICANS here that are not going to let him lead us down the road to socialism.
By the way – I was p*ssed off with the spending that GWB approved. The ONLY thing I will give him props for is for keeping us safe and for not giving a good God damn whether your ilk approved of what he said or what he did. That is ONE thing you knew you’d get from dubya – he’ d tell what he thought and it was what he meant.
pres**ent obama – he’ll lie out of both sides of his mouth and he doesn’t give a damn. And that’s all I need to know about him.
Cecelia says: Come one now, Anthony, combining both the House and Senate, it works about to half the Democrats voting on the resolution.
Even more voted to go into Afghanistan, and waging a war on two fronts caused a deficit.
A deficit, by the way, that has not been curtailed by your party voting to get out of either front, neither when Bush was in charge, nor now when they have control of both chambers.
So, you’ve got a lot of finger pointing to go around, and frankly, merely saying that you’re “calling the president out”, after having painted him as a agent for changing all that you’ve despised in the country for the last eight years, is as meaningless as your name calling.
ImNotBlue says: Anthony… do a little research. Google what Beck has said about Bush’s spending and bailouts.
You might be surprised… or, you might decide that it simply doesn’t fit with what you “believe happened,” so you’ll ignore it. Either way, we’ll find out who’s really a hypocrite.
Show me where I mention Beck here? I am talking about this movement. Where was this anti-spending movement and these tea parties eight years ago?
Where were the protests? Where were you all when your civil liberties were being stripped away? Where were you all when Bush was subsidizing everything under the planet? Where were you all when Bush pushed a $700 billion dollar bailout through congress? Where were you all when he created entitlement program and entitlement program? Where were you all when warrantless wiretapping was made legal?
Your so called socialism and fascism, corporate welfare was rampant during the Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. administrations.
Where were you all then?
I find it curious that these groups all the sudden decided to mobilize over spending now and not when spending was out of control during the Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. administration.
Good for Beck for being vocal about Bush spending, but that doesn’t excuse his fear mongering and ideological firebombing, and it certainly calls into question the timing of this movement that had every reason to exist for the past eight years.
Cecelia says: Anthony,
Why do you think the majority of Republicans in the House voted against the bailout bill from the Bush Administration AND the Obama?
You think they weren’t hearing from their constituents when they voted against it in the fall of ‘08?
And you’ve yet to explain how you can character the Obama Administration as being the harbinger of change when by your own stated standards, it really hasn’t been.
Cecelia says: Oh, look, Anthony, it seems the president has decided now to implement a program where immigrants must provide documents showing they are here legally before accessing health care under the Democrat’s plan.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/11/2065287.aspx
The Democrats had struck down that idea TWICE before.
MSNBC writes, “Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants.”
We should thank Joe WIlson, Glenn Beck, and the tea party protesters, that we were able to get to this level of reality in the discussion, despite all the endless drama of Democrats almost self-immolating over all the “lies” being told.
Now perhaps we’ll get to the point were we can honesty have a national discussion about the innate motivation of such plans to ration care at the end of life and for the chronically ill (both constitute 80% of all health care expenditures according to the president.)
Cecelia, where was your outrage the last eight years? Where were the protests? Where was the movement?
Are you trying to tell me these tea baggers are disappointed Obama voters? Doubtful.
We are already rationing care, how do intend on covering the $1.5 trillion you’re already paying NOW to care the uninsured?
Would you prefer we cared for them by paying the insurance companies the 35% vig we’ve been paying them to the tune of record profits or would you prefer the 3% overheard with Medicare?
You’re part of the problem, by continuing to distract the real issues by focusing on death panels and illegal immigrants.
I didn’t hear you and your tea baggin friends when Bush passed a drug entitlement program and didn’t bother to fund it.
andreaburke says: laura, I was just curious as to what “YOU KNOW” the “man-child” wants to do with the country. Where do you think he’s taking us?
SuperSmart says: Laura Hilbert: You can just come out and say it… for we all see it… you don’t quite know how to handle a black man as President. Sorry to say, but you’ve got 3+ years of it ahead of you, so either learn to form and argue a coherent argument or don’t. Either way, please continue to post, because it will be entertaining if nothing else.
Anthony: Great point. And I don’t see it mentioned nearly enough. We are already paying for the health care of the uninsured. These people receive treatment (go take a look in an ER near you, it is probably crowded) and this treatment isn’t provided by fairies. These doctors and nurses and support staff who provide this care are certainly paid… and it is you and I picking up the bill via higher medical costs.
A recently published study shows that 62% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were linked to medical expenses… and 80% of those bankruptcies were from people with medical insurance. Our system is broken, plain and simple.
ObserverDan says: Cecelia, you obviously touched a nerve with Anthony. What appeared to be reasoned debate fell apart when Anthony just couldn’t help himself and unleashed the pejorative “teabagger’ on you. Too bad.
Modern Patriot says: Rachel: Yes you obviously have missed the whole point. This was a 912 project not 911 project. You can categorize it as you like but to those of us who were there and have been following Glen Beck we know what its all about, and truth be told so do you but that probably doesn’t make for good reading for your normal audience. In a nutshell it was the “coming together of the country” for a common cause.
Anthony: The simple fact that you use the term “TEA BAGGERS” allows everyone to know what to expect of you. You’re of superior intellect and if anyone doesn’t believe it they just need to ask you and you’ll straighten them out. You also bust people for not having their facts straight yet you and the ones you disagree with usually only provide your words and expect others to believe what you say. Provide links because sad as it is no one’s word means anything anymore.
You wan’t to know how we can lower hospital costs? Here is an idea, show proof of citizenship at time of service. If you can’t you get turned over to the authorities upon release. Then you get deported back to your country of origin. I know it sounds cold but enough is enough we can’t afford it and it isn’t fair to tax paying legal citizens. These people come here, work and get paid, often without paying taxes. Then when they have a medical problem they go to the hospital and stiff them for the bill because the “government” wrote a law that says they or anyone can. How tough of a job would it be to put a bill like that together??
And if you didn’t hear us complaining when Bush was in office you were not listening very well. That said where were the rallies for the group you were involved with when Bush was in office. FYI, save your comments as I won’t respond, its what you live for and I won’t feed it anymore than I have.
Hey Super Stupid, um I mean SuperSmart. When a liberal or democrat uses the race card it is our red flag that they have nothing intelegent to say or the facts prove them wrong. The only ones using race are you guys and politicians. An awful lot of white people voted our current President in so please save it
SuperSmart says: Modern Patriot: I would love to engage you in a manner you would welcome, but personal attacks are apparently frowned upon. :(
The only people who suggest that there isn’t blatant, non-stop race-baiting flowing out of Fox News and Beck are Fox News, Beck and their racists followers.
That said, please feel free to point out 100 black people who attended the protest yesterday. There are many sets of pictures and tons of video out there (try Flickr), and only finding 100 black people out of 60,000 to 70,000 black-President-loving patriots, such as yourself, should take you no time at all.
Cecelia says: Well, Anthony, try asking John McCain how Republicans protested in ‘08. He’ll tell you that they did it by not showing up at the polls. There was 1.8% drop in Republicans who voted that year, from their turn-out in 04.
Your remarks about health care encapsulate the sheer irrationality that surrounds the entire subject to this point. The argument that we must do SOMETHING or life as we know it will be over by next week and that any of the normal projections, extrapolations, assessments that are a part of any policy discussion are tantamount to lies and scare tactics, are evidence of an utter intransigence that’s frankly a bit scary.
What’s particularly interesting with begging the question with the “something must be done” tactic, is that this can generally be translated as “What we wish to do be done, must be done, and nothing else is permissible as fodder for thought, let alone expression.”
Yeah, we know we know something must be done, that’s why we’d like to discuss your plan without your arbitrary parameters of what can and can’t be said.
Again, thank goodness for Mr. Wilson. He moved at least one seemingly intractable no-man zone boundary in the discussion, despite a whole arsenal of labels like “racist” , cheerfully lobbed by your gang.
Instead of making health insurance the providence of govt and employers, what CAN be done is to give people the same tax write-offs for insurance premiums that we to businesses now. That way individuals could be in charge of their own policy and have insurance companies cater to them, rather than just to govt and to employers.
Individuals, groups of people — like churches, community organizations, etc, could form co-opts based upon their own needs (for example– someone my age needs more coverage than someone your age), other preferences, and where risk is spread across a large group of people– which is what insurance is about.
Would this provide coverage for every single person in the country. No. But Medicare and Medicaid could be bulked up to provide more temporary coverage for people and it would, at last…. give the individual some control over their own health care dollar.
Imagine that…
ImNotBlue says: Anthony Rosa says:
September 12, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Show me where I mention Beck here? I am talking about this movement. Where was this anti-spending movement and these tea parties eight years ago?
I thought Beck was in charge of this movement… isn’t that what the left has been claiming?
In short… the same folks were upset over the spending then, however it didn’t hit it’s boiling point until recently. When things are going well, and we (the US) spends oodles of money… people get annoyed, but that’s about it. It takes a while before people get really upset. Add in high unemployment, insults from their elected officials, perpetual mocking from “news” persons, and a variety of other perceived annoyance (real or otherwise) and you have the situation we’ve been seeing.
Where were you all when your civil liberties were being stripped away?
In the real world… you may have been in Imagination Land where that happened.
Where were you all when warrantless wiretapping was made legal?
Where were you when Obama continued to support FISA?
SuperSmart says:
September 13, 2009 at 2:51 pm
You can just come out and say it… for we all see it… you don’t quite know how to handle a black man as President.
Wow, you’re really focused on Obama’s race. Every comment talks about how Black he is. And here I thought we were a color-blind society. Seems you’re not part of that… hmmm. The only person around here who wants to constantly badger Obama over his race… is you. Why is that? Why are you such a racist?
September 13, 2009 at 6:27 pm
That said, please feel free to point out 100 black people who attended the protest yesterday.
Look at that, MORE racism! Why are you so focused on the color of people’s skin?! You really need to move past that… why are you such a racist?
Modern Patriot says: SuperSmart: you simply prove my point with your comments. You attacked Laura Hilbert’s rant about the government and Obama by saying that she’s obviously just a racist. I didn’t see that in her comments. I saw someone who is extremely upset. Then when I call you on it you go off about Fox, Beck, and nonstop blatant race baiting.
Then you make this statement: That said, please feel free to point out 100 black people who attended the protest yesterday. There are many sets of pictures and tons of video out there (try Flickr), and only finding 100 black people out of 60,000 to 70,000 black-President-loving patriots, such as yourself, should take you no time at all.
I don’t even know what your trying to say here but I’ll try to respond the best I can. There were Blacks, Latino’s, Asians, and probably several other ethnic people represented. I don’t need to look at pictures I was there. How many I don’t know. Why there were not more people of color I can’t answer but I’m sure it had more to do with political views than anything your trying to imply.
Now “your” last statement shows you for who you really are. I can’t speak for everyone but I don’t think about the President in the terms you do (black-President). I think of him in terms of what he campaigned on and what he is delivering. And I’m not impressed just like the 60K, 70K, 1 Mil., 2 Mil. people that turned out. We will see on that final number but good try on 60 – 70 K.
Good try but you exposed yourself.
strangelet says: Rachel — apparently you’re doing something right. Lookie all the trolls.
strangelet says: @Imnotblue: “In short… the same folks were upset over the spending then, however it didn’t hit it’s boiling point until recently.”
Yeah, by an incredible coincidence — after eight years — it hit its “boiling point” just after the inaugeration of a Democratic (and, incidentally, bi-racial) President.
What an amazing coincidence.
Beck’s 9/12 movement has hijacked the original reason people rallied on that date for 8 years now, and turned it into a “Thank you Glen Beck for being the leading voice against the government policies (we now suddenly) hate, and for commending us for unifying to kill our (imagined) enemies”. Beck has nothing to do with grieving over the fact this nation was attacked 8 years ago. Beck himself, having been duped by Bush and the official conspiracy theory, (in spite of the hundreds of holes in it), doesn’t address the truth about who it really was that attacked the nation to begin with, though some of the supposed “hijackers” were found alive. Beck’s purpose for the rally reveals a man as blind as those who thought that unity with corrupt politicians (who falsely accused Afghanistan and Iraq of having anything to do with 911) was the greatest thing that had happened to America to bring it together since WWII.
So what’s he really doing?
Though he says he won’t stand in front of a US flag, his whole trip is merely to beat the so-called patriot drum, and to wave the empty stars and stripes by GLORYING in madness of these idiotic wars, seeing them as what has “unified” Americans! He glorifies war as defining the heart of America, as when NYC citizens unified to help when the twin towers came down, and I believe he’s right on that issue…war is the expression that is in the hearts of the deceived in America. It’s been taught to them by the media, by the tv, by radio, by their churches, and by the politicians. They love it, or they would have stood up against the lying politicians who represent the corporations that are fattened by both US and foreign blood. They cry peace peace but war is in their hearts. Peace = less profit; war = BIG profit. How many have investments in these psychopathic corporations that foment and promote wars?
Had Americans stopped and thought about who benefited from the 911 terrorist attack before being so quick to catch the first helicopter out to kill the innocent, and did some serious research first, maybe NYC’s 3000 dead would have been the end of the killing, and 4000 more (and counting) Americans wouldn’t have died (not to mention the exact number of thousands of innocent Afghans and Iraqis that were murdered by them, or of all the deformed babies and entire families that have been destroyed by the despicable use of depleted uranium).
Oh, yeah, UNITY…these kids they send to do this dirty work are unified, alright. They get pumped together by listening to gangsta rappers and demonic heavy metal bands “sing” of doing mayhem before and during butchering the unarmed. Just watch them glory in their heinous evils on You Tube and see if you too are in UNITY with that spirit.
Is that how you define a patriotic American?
I want to address here those who believe that being in or supporting the military is the right thing to do. Are you willing to support those who robotically obey the top commander’s flag-wrapped command to shoot down women and children in the name of freedom, democracy, and fighting terrorism? Your “elected” (ha! Diebold [or should it be “Diablo”]-placed) presidents are in bed with multi-national corporate lobbyists offering lots of perks to get their bloodthirsty foreign policies and wars-for-PROFIT pushed through your asleep-at-the-wheel congress, who won’t even read the bills, written by radical bureaucrats and other mystery men, oh, but who cares? The private “Federal” Reserve (NWO / Illuminati) bank, with it’s limitless ink well will gladly bail out this inept government, and just print billions more inflated, non-backed dollars to pay for it, and all you have to do is pay the interest on these made from thin air!
What a great deal! Debt slaves to a murderous Moloch that feeds on the blood of the nation’s children for profit! GLORY TO UNITY!
Are you willing to believe and obey whatever the present Pharaoh says so you can FEEL GOOD about yourself as you wrap yourself in a warm, bloody US flag and CALL yourself free? Do you lust on a purple heart or some other shiny trinket of honor from these star-spangled liars, so you can boast about it to your grandchildren? Just think of how they’ll worship the patriotic you, sporting your dress uniform, complete with all those stars and bars …and those spotless white gloves! Your inward hope is, of course, to be a god to them and to everyone else for all your great sacrifices. May they spit on all your cursed medals, despise and abominate your wicked works, and commit to God to never follow your miserable, murderous idolatry! You fools and blind! How can you escape the damnation of hell? The blood of thousands of innocents cry to God from the ground to condemn you. May you now, before judgment day, repent of your gross iniquity and cry out to God through faith in the blood of His Son Jesus Christ for forgiveness lest you suffer the just punishment of eternity in the lake of fire.
Hey Laura Hilbert 9/11 happen on Bush’s watch. So he didn’t keep us safe.
m says: If Obama had been President during 9/11, we’d probably have an Congressional hearing and impeachment trial by now. But Bush? Nah, it’s fine. Keep reading My Pet Goat! As long as you bomb someone in retaliation, it’s all good – it’s all good!
ImNotBlue says: strangelet says:
September 14, 2009 at 12:26 am
Yeah, by an incredible coincidence — after eight years — it hit its “boiling point” just after the inaugeration of a Democratic (and, incidentally, bi-racial) President.
What an amazing coincidence.
I’d also point out the left’s trust in the government suddenly grew after 8 years with “that other guy.” I mean, back then you were convinced the government was spying on you… but now that a new guy is in there, and he’s got a little “D” after his name, noooo problem with re-issuing FISA. Seems hypocritical… but I guess you guys just cooled down.
Of course, you guys boiled a lot during that time… but now, you’ve found peace and civility. That’s why you object to tea party protesters… but never complained about the offensive signs from these guys.
As for race… wow! You guys sure do like talking about President Obama’s skin color. I thought we were passed that. It’s a shame there are so many racists… you should really work on that.
And now for something totally different… TRUTHERS! Wooo… let the crazy flow!
Cecelia says: Well considering that in the last part of ‘08 there was a virtual collapse of the lending industry, followed by a subsequent bailout of it, and the automakers, etc…etc… it shouldn’t be THAT difficult for you geniuses to detect the reason behind any change in public mood…
I must have missed that blissfully eight years we enjoyed under Bush when we were attacked under his watch, ran the debt up to record levels, had our civil liberties revoked, had entitlement after entitlement program created without any regard for how to fund them, oh I could go on and on.
There certainly was no need for this kind of movement then, right?
SuperSmart says: Still would love to see pics from the tea party with 100… eh, 50… eh, 25… eh, 10 — 10 black people.
Out of 70,000 people in the blackest city in America… there had to be at least 10 there, no?
Tom M says: “just after the inaugeration (sic) of a Democrat” not to mention a sizeable portion of the deficit this year is the Paulson/Bush bank bailout package. And the auto bailout? That started out as a Paulson/Bush package as well.
Imnotblue also doesn’t seem able to discern tht the health care reform isn’t about “trusting” government. It’s about the fact that in 2007 the US spent $7,200/person on health care while the next most expensive OECD country, Switzerland, spent just over $4,000. France, one of the best countries for health care, spent just over $3,000; the UK, under $3,000/person; Japan? $2,300.
Why do you NOT want to reform a system that is currently looting the US consumer and do it in a way that is obviously so much cheaper? Government run or assisted health care is extant in every other OECD country and the people there live just as long or longer as in the US. They have comparable disease outcomes as in the US. The stories about waiting or rationing can be countered with stories here about denial of care or other more serious issues like medical errors.
Government run health care exists throughout the developed world as well as right here in the US: the VA system which is well-run, cost controlled and well regarded by its customers. Yet when Beck whips up fear of big government, you’re eager to follow him over the cliff to a worse system just because….. well, because he has made you think government is bad because it’s big.
By the way, the president who grew government fastest, biggest with the most dollars? George W Bush. (per the Cato Institute). The guy who passed the biggest tax increase in history? Ronald Reagan.
Guess what else? Lowering tax rates doesn’t increase tax revenues, either. Watching Beck (and Fox) doesn’t make you uninformed, it makes you misinformed.
Unknown says: Well, I am new here and again reading the majority of these comments I can safely say most of you are going crazy … from the government and their spending. Now this wacko Glen Beck believes the US is really ran by some “Elites” just liked many crazy people especially Alex Jones with the Obama Deception movie… these so called “Elites” are the richest people on the planet from every section of the planet. They believe that since the Bush senior admin the country has been ran by puppets and that soon the New world order will take over where only the “Elites” will reign supreme and in charge. Now if you believe this crap you are crazy, I watched that film Obama Deception entirely on youtube all Jones produces is what HE BELIEVES TO BE TRUE, NO CONCRETE FACTS SAYING OOO I AM A PUPPET AND THE ELITE WILL RULE THE LAND… I mean come you really believe this crap… you all marching and going crazy from a guy like Glen Beck that believes this CRAP??????????????
Watch this stupid here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
Again if you believe this you are crazy… and you know what go on be crazy get high blood pressure and go all mad because in the end you will only harm YOURSELF!
I’m not quite sure where most people get off stating that Glen is a patriot. If he believed in what he said on national television, he’d take up arms and resist with violence. Instead it seems as though his show is aimed to spead the extreamism that he downplays so well. His irrational anti-establishment point of view is something I can only associate with bad punk rock. Before Glen Beck, I had only experienced minor resentment of such media heads. At this point, I will openly state that if I were to ever meet Glen in person, I’d take a brick to his head over and over again. It’s obvious that his show spreads extreamism… just look at me…
ImNotBlue says: Anthony Rosa says:
September 14, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Anthony, I’m starting to think you’re not paying attention… you keep saying the same things over and over again, but aren’t applying it to anything that has been previously said.
For your benefit, I’ll repeat again:
I must have missed that blissfully eight years we enjoyed under Bush when we were attacked under his watch,
And how many times were we attacked under Clinton’s “watch?” The fact is, America didn’t take the threat seriously, and we got burned for it. The real problem is, a lot of people apparently want to return to that level of ignorance, because dealing with the threat to too difficult.
ran the debt up to record levels,
And as a result voted the Republicans out of the House and Senate, and stayed home for the Presidential election.
had our civil liberties revoked,
Which Obama has continued, re-issuing FISA law. Other than that, what liberties did YOU have revoked, exactly?
had entitlement after entitlement program created without any regard for how to fund them,
See above.
oh I could go on and on.
And I’m sure you will.
There certainly was no need for this kind of movement then, right?
Well, there was plenty of protests then… do you not remember those? But really, what’s the point? Because THE SAM folks didn’t protest then, they have no right to protest now? What about the left-wingers (yourself included) who complain about civil rights, deficits, etc. who hated when it happened under Bush, but are cool with it now? Doesn’t that make YOU equally hypocritical? As I’ve already said (and you’ve ignored), the fruits of Bush’s bad financial decisions didn’t come to bear until the past 2 years or so, when the economy really crashed. Sometimes, it is only when there is significant tragedy, not theoretical warnings of impending doom, that the majority is motivated. We have unemployment almost at 10%, and you’re surprised that people are taking to the street NOW?! Why?
SuperSmart says:
September 14, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Again, with the racist comments. Couldn’t you don your white hood somewhere else, SS?
Tom M says:
September 14, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Imnotblue also doesn’t seem able to discern tht the health care reform isn’t about “trusting” government.
Well, yes it is. I know you WANT heathcare reform -(actually, a single payer system- but your WANT isn’t taking into account who will be providing such a system. I’ll make this easy for you… I want a new car, should I (A) research the car, (B) research the car company, (C) both A&B, or (D) buy the first car I see? What you’re pushing is “D,” buying the plan that the government spits out, no matter what it actually includes, costs, or how it will be run. The government currently has a problem running EVERY ORGANIZATION THEY’RE IN CHARGE OF… from the post office (see Pres. Obama’s comments on that), to Medicare (doesn’t the fact that they’re going to trim Medicare fraud to fund healthcare, prove they have a management issue… otherwise there wouldn’t be such significant fraud to begin with).
I haven’t heard any Republican or protester suggest that we don’t need some sort of reform to keep down costs, to prevent fraud, and to make it more affordable for all Americans. However, a full government takeover, when the government has such a bad track record of management, seems naive and foolish to say the least.
Yet when Beck whips up fear of big government, you’re eager to follow him over the cliff to a worse system just because….. well, because he has made you think government is bad because it’s big.
Kinda like the how the left hates “big business,” until they realize they get just as much funding and donations from those “rich guys” as the right.
Justin Bauer says:
September 15, 2009 at 10:00 am
If he believed in what he said on national television, he’d take up arms and resist with violence.
Why would he need to “resist with violence” when what he’s currently doing seems to be working pretty well?
As for the rest of your comment… yikes! Lay off the ‘roids, dude.
liberalismisasin says: pesky facts always getting in the way of a raving article?
ignore them
your article is an excellent example of this writing “style”
yay?
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