Sally Quinn writes/edits On Faith for WaPo. What religion is she?

note to bill-o:  christians *can* and *do* commit sins

note to bill-o:  christians *can* and *do* commit sins

This stuff is from the nutjob’s manifesto:

I’m not going to pretend
I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been
very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and
environment. In the past, I remember I used to think;

“Religion is a crutch for weak
people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have
confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.”

Perhaps this is true for many cases.
Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for
self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed
their weak emotional state f example during illness, death, poverty
etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my
agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for
strength, yet… (p. 1344)

The European cultural heritage, our
norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and
our modern political systems are based on Christianity – Protestantism,
Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and the legacy of the European
enlightenment (reason is the primary source and legitimacy for
authority).

It is not required that you have a
personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our
Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our
modern societies and European secularism is a result of European
Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to
understand the difference between a “Christian fundamentalist theocracy”
(everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage (what we do want).

So no, you don’t need to have a
personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian
cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a
Christian atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics
of the European Christian cultural legacy (Christian holidays, Christmas
and Easter)).

The PCCTS, Knights Templar is therefore not a religious organisation but rather a Christian “culturalist” military order.

Jerry Falwell he’s not.

This stuff is from the nutjob’s manifesto:

I’m not going to pretend
I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been
very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and
environment. In the past, I remember I used to think;

“Religion is a crutch for weak
people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have
confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.”

Perhaps this is true for many cases.
Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for
self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength (to feed
their weak emotional state f example during illness, death, poverty
etc.). Since I am not a hypocrite, I’ll say directly that this is my
agenda as well. However, I have not yet felt the need to ask God for
strength, yet… (p. 1344)

The European cultural heritage, our
norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and
our modern political systems are based on Christianity – Protestantism,
Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and the legacy of the European
enlightenment (reason is the primary source and legitimacy for
authority).

It is not required that you have a
personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our
Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our
modern societies and European secularism is a result of European
Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to
understand the difference between a “Christian fundamentalist theocracy”
(everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage (what we do want).

So no, you don’t need to have a
personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian
cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a
Christian atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics
of the European Christian cultural legacy (Christian holidays, Christmas
and Easter)).

The PCCTS, Knights Templar is therefore not a religious organisation but rather a Christian “culturalist” military order.

Jerry Falwell he’s not.

Papa Bear.  Go on vacation.

The funny part is most Christians don’t follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
They just talk about.
Very few people are “really” Christian.

Does Bill O’Reilly sound like a Christian in these words of Jesus Christ?

I’ll say it again–it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”

My bad.  Actually Mussolini declared himself a Christian in the novel “The Cardinal’s Mistress”.

O’Reilly “My demo are conservative Christians so please stay tuned as I twist and turn to somehow make the self-labeled crusading Knights Templar NOT a Christian but the self-labeled soldier for Allah a Muslim. Even I don’t believe it.”

“There are very few real Christians.” And a whole sh!tload of ‘Left-wing a@@holes! LMFAO!

For instance, this gentlemen probably thinks of himself as a Christian.

And obvious to all you’re an a@@hole! LMFAO! Freakin’ tool!

I feel like this is a scam to justify calling Obama a Muslim.

COTD.

Christianity is a belief and a way of life. Not a club that gives you a membership card allowing you to judge others and act morally superior.

People like Marcus Bachmann and Pat Robertson do more to damage and disfigure the teachings of Jesus Christ than some whack-job or lawyered up atheist ever will.

Not exactly the best example.

 I don’t know but i watched this and I think Billy lost this little debate, even if he didn’t let her talk much

Of what?

I figured you’d throw Fred Phelps in there too, but then I remembered that he’s a staunch Democrat.

I thought she was one of the various versions of Catholicism sans Latin.  

 Its weird its like he doesn’t get the correlation. He feels that if a muslim says he’s doing a terrorist act and is inspired by his religion , then that muslim is a terrorist. Even if other muslims condemn these acts and say the Koran does not state these things that this terrorist says they does. Now if a christian commits these acts and says Im a christian and feel i must defend christianity so im going to kill a bunch of muslims,this is not a christian terrorist?  So if just because you say your a christian doesn’t make you a christian , then why would saying your a muslim make you a muslim? I cant figure out the logic sorry for babbling.

No he’s not Jerry Farwell  – He’s YOU

WTH…..2 nights in a row of Bill-o-The Clown pretending hes St.Peter

Why is it that you asswipes insist on defining who everybody is????…..this is why you freaks go around blowing shit up….The American Taliban….thats what you regressive a-holes have become…damn shame us civilized people have to wear hard hats and steel toed boots because you dipshits are advocting a religeous war on muslims….why dont you conservatives do us all a favor and deport yourselves to Isreal…over there you can fight all you want,im sure HAMAS will welcome you with open arms

Even if other muslims condemn these acts and say the Koran does not state these things that this terrorist says they does.

In that case, you really only need to go to the Quran to sort that one out.

So if just because you say your a christian doesn’t make you a christian
, then why would saying your a muslim make you a muslim?

People declare themselves to be this, that or the other all the time and that doesn’t make it true. But according to Islam, it’s very, very easy to become a Muslim. All you have to do is declare that “There is no god apart from God and Mohammed is his prophet.”

As trying to join religions goes, that’s damned easy.

Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist? In other word not a Christian at all. He sounds just like Jared Loughner. You cannot call him for either side. If he had turned out to be Muslim and he was talking about Muslim atheist you couldn’t tie him to them either no matter who he claims to be. This guy is as loony as they come. He has voices in his head and just happened to connect to a cause and have delusions he was one of them. Could have been any group.

Yeah, sure. I’m a blue eyed, blonde haired mass murderer. And this is you.

Yeah, sure. I’m a blue eyed, blonde haired mass murderer. And this is you.

you’ll go nutts trying to figure out how wingnutts think…..dont waste your time….just call em out…its the twisted logic that these sorry uneducated dipwads have thats causes them to committ acts like what happened in Norway…..just be careful and avoid standing next to one of these  jesus freaks in a public building

Right Said Fred! Feel free to add him to the list. I’ll double down and give you Al Sharpton.

I’m also a Chicago Bears fan.so If you know any Bears fans that are sermonizing, grandstanding, hypocrites then I will be happy to say they suck, too.

Some people just can’t define crazy as crazy, possibly because..their crazy?

I’m drowning in a pool of O”Reilly’s contradictions

You are confusing an American concept of Christianity through the lens of a fundamentalist to talk about Europe.

The shooter’s fellow Scandinavian wrote a book called, “Attack upon Christendom” over a century ago.  I would hope you are familiar with Kierkegaard.

You are joining Papa Bear, Quinn, and many others in making this mistake.

The people of Denmark refer to themselves as Danish, but it doesn’t mean they are all pastries.

Throw Jesse Jackson in, and we’ve got a deal, my brother! And I’m buying a round.

Breivik is an insane person who is agnostic at best, who for cultural reasons decided to murder Christians while somehow bizarrely associating with Christians, all because he doesn’t like the Islamification of his homeland. His thoughts are full of contradictions because he’s a nutter, but no doubt he did not like Leftists or Muslims. It’s a shame people like him do exist. I agree with his father…he should have killed himself instead.
But I wouldn’t call him a Christian based on the information available. To his confused mind “Christian” was just a “team” he chose to side with. 
The saying “you become what you hate” is relevant here and he is no better then the al Queda terrorists he hates. He’s unable to reason, comprehend and cope so he gets eliminationist thoughts and acts on them. It’s criminal that he’ll only be jailed for 21 years. 

If we don’t define you as a broke ass bitch, how we gonna fill that EBT card up for your dumb ass?

Getting theological but here goes……..

Is that easier than saying “I accept Jesus Christ the Son of God as my Lord and Savior?”

And if I just say “Peace be upon the prophet Mohammed” will I be able to eat pork tenderloins and down a bottle of Tullamore Dew every week and call myself a Muslim?

I think people can self-identify as they see fit. Others might disagree, but who cares? A person’s faith is entirely their own.

Hey, how many relatives do you have collecting SSI because they’re too stupid to function? That shit is sweet, right?

You’re the one who has to explain why you’re in O’Reilly’s pool, dude.  Good luck with that.

But when you scream Allāhu Akbar (الله أكبر). Usually translated “God is [the] Greatest,” or “God is Great”, a common Islamic Arabic expression, used as both an informal expression of faith and as a formal declaration before detonating a suicide bomber…

What does Sally Quinn call you? NOT A MUSLIM TERRORIST!!!!! Even if they tell you in open court that they do not want a lawyer, they are not insane, they want to kill Americans for allah as Hasan did, along with the rest of the terrorists captured here in the US.

Did he yell Jesus is great? Was he looking for 72 virgins?

Again, Martel diving into the dumpster to get paid…

Hey, what exactly is that Obama agenda you are so “pro” for?  This oughta be good…

he’s Christian.  he doesn’t have to fit into anyone else’s categories, and his rants fall within the sphere of Christian extremists around the world.

No, I’m looking at what this freak was thinking. If you want to see people confusing American Christians with him, you can start with Sally Quinn.

Can´t make this up. One is a Muslim Terrorist because he says so. The
other can´t be a Christian terrorist despite he says so, but
Falafel-Billy doesn´t like it. Of course Mussolini was just another
Christian murderer. The overwhelming majority of Christians aren´t
really Christians since they never understood the teachings of Jesus
Christ whose words would be described as
socialist/communist/progressive by the cons if they didn´t knew it was
said by JC. Supporters of the death penalty don´t qualify as real
Christians , doesn´t change the fact they consider themselves still
Christians. Wanna bet that Bill will tell them also they aren´t
Christians? 

Can´t make this up. One is a Muslim Terrorist because he says so. The
other can´t be a Christian terrorist despite he says so, but
Falafel-Billy doesn´t like it. Of course Mussolini was just another
Christian murderer. The overwhelming majority of Christians aren´t
really Christians since they never understood the teachings of Jesus
Christ whose words would be described as
socialist/communist/progressive by the cons if they didn´t knew it was
said by JC. Supporters of the death penalty don´t qualify as real
Christians , doesn´t change the fact they consider themselves still
Christians. Wanna bet that Bill will tell them also they aren´t
Christians? 

Psst……Bill-O…..would you like me to list all the Christian Terrorists? Because I can if you want me too. Just face it you are on the wrong side of this one. 

OK, why does this comment keep disappearing?

No, she’s not Catholic.

I thought I did by pointing out that saying he’s not Jerry Fallwell, though in my secret code “lens of a fundamentalist to talk about Europe”.

I do not read Quinn’s blog or any of their religious blogs in general.  Kierkegaard pointed out the rather anemic state of Christianity in Europe over a century ago, so it is no surprise that the shooter calls himself a Christian.  

I read through a bit of the manifesto and it was clear that many things are getting lost in translation.

People on both sides are jumping on this Christian meme and no one is taking the time to say, “Oh wait. He means it in that generic sense of Christendom that is centuries old and only abandoned around the time of the Enlightenment.  Boy do I feel silly.”

Do you know this guy?: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=140_1311687500

“Peace be upon the prophet Jesus and his twin brother the Messiah Mohammed, who are avatars of Eris, Goddess of Discord.”

So, you didn’t read that stuff he wrote that I posted?

Gee, all these lefty O’Reilly haters here.  You’d think that would be emblematic of the public’s opinion at large.  Oh wait, what am I saying?  He’s got the number one show on cable.  Takeaway?  Haters are out of the mainstream.  Sucks to be them, lol.   

As long as you’re making lists, I’d like to see the one where people were killing people while screaming “Praise Jesus!”

If you’d like to see a list where people were yelling “Allah akbar!” while slaughtering innocent people, I can.

Deal. I don’t think Jesus would promote appreciate one of his ministers using slurs against Jews or diddling and impregnating college professors…..while married of course.

Nobody is perfect, but it always seems like the loudest blowhards are the biggest phonies. What they do shouldn’t have anything to do with a person’s own spirituality. Same as not having to like/support everybody who cheers for your team.

……and if you’re an old school Pats fan you must have loved the aughts. And if you know any children in your neighborhood that can keep from throwing a football through windows or into wood chippers you can save the round and call Lovie……I can name you two people named Jay who suck at their job and life in general.

Are you saying a few million people that have cable and choose not to watch real TV are in the mainstream?

Oh.  I get it.  I’ve never watched “American Idol”, but he must be a judge on that wildly popular show.

If a terrorist kills in the name of Christianity it is most likely thier own warped interpretation of what they think God wants. They usually act either alone or with limited number of delusional associates. However the Christian church does not condone or promote violence in any situation. Islamic terrorists are taught by fanatical religious leaders that killing is what God wants. This type of extremism is practiced openly and condoned by local religious leaders. Why are you liberals so afraid to hurt these islamic extremist’s feelings. They sure as hell were not afraid to hurt us on Sept 11 and they are not afraid to hide thier hatred for us today.

Sorry.  Old joke.  Anglicans are just Catholics too lazy to learn Latin.

 eh i don’t know 

i’ve read his stuff elsewhere.  his goals rather fit in with the goals of other right-wing extremists, Christian or otherwise.

you don’t know whether he was “confused”, or not; that’s a cop-out.  he was sensible enough that the judge wouldn’t let him expound his views to inspire others on radio or TV.  if he was a “confused” “agnostic”, the judge would have had him evaluated for mental illness.  you leap to denying his own words, when there is no evidence yet to the contrary.  i await the findings of the investigators, not people on the internet or political talking heads.

God.  Do any of you people ever read European media.  Nevermind.  I answered my own question.  

The far right in Europe has split into two camps, both rather diminutive.

1)  Neo-Nazis that have always been around but do not have any sort of actual pull or poll.  Even Le Pen’s daughter has been trying to play down anti-semitism since she took over from her father in France.

2)  A new breed that is afraid of some sort of rising Muslim tide (ask the Germans what they think about the Turkish “guest workers” they invited in the 1960′s) and the EU.

Discounting the first, there is real apprehension on the continent about the second (which if you were paying attention at home would be why Turkey still hasn’t even been invited for tea, so to speak, to join the EU) and these parties are playing off fears of the latter with a lot of middle of the road (sorry to use an Americanism) voters.

 Maybe jayamerican but your making a leap here. The muslim faith has no central leader. So a mulsim cleric who preaches the killing of jews and christians is just that a single muslim leader or a series of muslim leaders who preach that. They have no hierarchy so to speak. And honestly im not afreai to to hurt their feelings they are right wing religious fanatics. However there are right wing religious fanatics in the world of christianity im not sure why you guys cant see this. Some of them are leaders and have followers(david koresh is a typical example) Now mainstream christian leaders don’t condone what david or the killer of Dr. Tiller did but the radicals don’t have a problem with it. How does that not equate in the same way?

 I read it all the time but my wifes german so she forces me to:) Just joking(not about the wife) I agree please america read as much european stuff as you can its all very interesting.

The Fox spin machine at full force.Billo look like a fool,it’s so pathetic I feel so for him.

Basically Bill  is the king of fallacy and fallacious argument.Bill says he’s not a Christian because he doesn’t act like one,I can’t wait till he uses that defense for the latest Muslim attack

“You are confusing an American concept of Christianity through the lens of a fundamentalist to talk about Europe.”  Kierkgaard despised the state sponsored religion system in favor of belief in Christ over religion. Is there no separation of church and state in Norway?

The people of Norway refer to themselves as Norwegians, but they are not all killers.

A liberal quoting Jesus. Now if we can only find the quote that supports abortion on demand. Maybe it is this one? “And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me.’”

Stay out of the gutter. The liberals thrive when you drop to that level, and then you lose the argument.

Patriots fan? I knew you were all right! In the New England area or an out of state fan?

You got off easy. POA must have forgotten his swear word cheat sheet, and his race-punk card tonight.

Good link…

So missed the point about the Danish joke.  The shooter may label himself a Christian, but it doesn’t make him one.

People are not understanding that this has so many moving pieces that too fixate on one is rather silly.

He’s a Christian because was baptized.  That is good enough in most European countries.  The point missed is that this guy had a serious obsession with what historians refer to as “Early Modern” European history.

I understand it is difficult for people that do not pay attention to European media (it seems across the ideological spectrum no one wants to do their homework) or history, but going off half-cocked solves nothing.

The guy was an atheist like most nut job killers. He used Christianity as an identity.
.

O’Reilly was terrible in that interview. Just missed the whole point COMPLETELY! Sally Quinn gave the answer herself, and tee’d it up for Bill O to crush it out of the park but he never even took the bat off his shoulder.  
1.      Much like the liberal “theologians” at places like Union “Theological Seminary” and Chicago “Theological Seminary” this psychopath said that he is a Christian CULTURALLY. Not religiously; culturally. There is absolutely ZERO faith, commitment, or spiritual dependence in this man’s “Christian” worldview. Liberal “theologians” like the professors at the schools I previously named, recognize and quasi-celebrate Christianity as a tradition or deep-rooted cultural custom. There is absolutely no spiritual commitment to building a relationship with Jesus Christ the Messiah. A similar example would be a person who is Jewish by blood but does not go to Temple, does not read the Torah, does not keep kosher, and does not engage in any Jewish religious activities. Its absolute madness and O’Reilly missed a golden opportunity to call Quinn out.
2.      O’Reilly completely contradicted himself and looked like a fool when referencing the Ft. Hood shooter. This guy isn’t a Christian if he claims that he is (culturally), yet the Ft. Hood shooter IS a Muslim when he simply claims to be. He also did not mention that the Ft. Hood shooter was involved with prominent members of the global Islamic community, received encouragement from them, and was praised by them after his violent rampage. O’Reilly missed that opportunity!
Just weak all around. O’Reilly is a pretty smart guy, and this interview was not his best moment.

O’Reilly owned that woman. She started off by saying that he is a Christian and then 2 minutes later said “who are we to determine if he’s a Christian?” That’s when I stopped watching.

I wanted to ask about your first point, because I have begun to feel like Elijah in the wilderness trying to explain that a lot of this is getting lost in translation.

Explaining that generic concept of Christendom seems entirely foreign to Americans, even at the “elite” levels of our media.

Is that our own cultural sense of Christianity or just plain ignorance?  I’m torn.  It is not easy to explain in a column the whole history of the Turks at the gates.

I would cite some examples for you, however, since your memory appears to be short and selective, unfortunately I’ve not been present during any of those abortion clinic shootings and fire bombings that have occurred over time to give you a firsthand account of their utterances.

However I can extrapolate and corroborate that these attacks were motivated by fundamentalist Christian extremism and that those victims present, practitioners and their patients, were presumably hardly innocent when placed through the filter of your idealistic spectrum.

Yours is a high horse it seems. Indignant and self-righteous. How greatly empowering these anonymous internet comment forums must truly be for you.

I would cite some examples for you, however, since your memory appears to be short and selective, unfortunately I’ve not been present during any of those abortion clinic shootings and fire bombings that have occurred over time to give you a firsthand account of their utterances.

However I can extrapolate and corroborate that these attacks were motivated by fundamentalist Christian extremism and that those victims present, practitioners and their patients, were presumably hardly innocent when placed through the filter of your idealistic spectrum.

Yours is a high horse it seems. Indignant and self-righteous. How greatly empowering these anonymous internet comment forums must truly be for you.

“Haters are out of the mainstream.”

Is this an open admission of Fox News being complicit in the very mainstream media that they make it a point to ridicule ad nauseum?

“Haters are out of the mainstream.”

Is this an open admission of Fox News being complicit in the very mainstream media that they make it a point to ridicule ad nauseum?

ahhhh Dik head I would say i missed ya but I would be lying

She’s an ex atheist current well, why don’t I let her tell you…

“I don’t have any idea who or what God is. But the closest explanation I’ve heard that makes sense to me is one of my favorite quotes from Martin Buber, the great theologian. “When two people relate to each other authentically and humanly, God is the electricity that surges between them.”
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/sally_quinn/2006/11/welcome_to_on_faith_1.html
So she’s basically NOTHING according to her. 

Billo the Clown is fighting a lost battle. His words are and logic are now being used against him. The Guys said he was a Christian plain and simple. And this claim that Mussolini wasn’t a christian is idiotic. The Pope sanctioned the crusade, will Billo the clown now say the 12th century pope isn’t a Christian? Its a losing cause Billo, let it go. 

Christianity doesn’t define your hatred, you worthless fucks, it’s your ignorance and xenophobia.

NO OFFENSE. But the problem with this topic is that under BILL O’REILLY’S limited understanding of Christianity, SHE IS RIGHT. We live in the age of deception where false churches out number the few real ones in existence. And by that I mean, a church that teaches WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO TEACH. Which is how to be born again and inherit eternal life. Unfortunately, even the “christianity” of Bill O’Reilly would not have been “Christianity” to an Apostle or disciple of Jesus Christ. THEY didn’t believe that you were Christian just because you said you were! Read the book of Acts, Read how the apostles were told in Acts 1:4 not to leave Jerusalem UNTIL they had RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT! That right there marks a difference you could drive an eighteen wheeler through between the doctrines of YOUR CHURCHES and the APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST.

 If you’re CATHOLIC you wouldn’t even know what this means because your priests do not inform you that the Holy Spirit is something that one is RECEIVES AFTER THEY REPENT,  and that it  is a piece of God’s spirt that will dwell inside you, not an attitude that one adopts. The offshoots of Catholicism, like protestants, baptists, lutherans, methodists and episcopalians, don’t teach much about it either and the scant bit that they do teach is a lie. If you call a baptist, or protestant, church they’ll tell you that you got the Holy Spirit WHEN you believed in Jesus, that speaking in tongues which was the SIGN for the APOSTLES that one had received it, is UNNECESSARY and that there is no proof that one has received the Holy Spirit. It’s just In there, like Preggo, the italian meat sauce. 

The problem is that few of you have compared what you are being taught in church with what the Lord had HIS APOSTLES TEACH! You have never held your doctrine up to the light of SCRIPTURE to see if it is lacking and it certainly is.  Take the above example as a microcosm of the problem as a whole. The APOSTLES which, lived with Jesus, taught with Jesus, witnessed His miracles and in the case of Peter, WALKED ON THE WATER WITH JESUS and who were given the Power to, among other things RAISE THE DEAD by Jesus ( matt 10:8), were TOLD TO WAIT UNTIL THEY RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST BEFORE LEAVING TO START THE CHURCH.  Didn’t they “believe” in Jesus? Doesn’t this conflict with the false doctrine in most churches? If they were told to WAIT ( acts 1:4-8) until they received it ,  DOESN’T THAT MEAN THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING WHEN THEY HAD RECEIVED IT??? Contrary to the doctrine of say Rick (ChrisLam) Warren who’ll tell ya, “it’s just in there”!

And gee, what happened next? How’d they KNOW that they had received it? Well look at Acts 2:1-4 ! Seems like they had some “objective evidence”!  Maybe it’s the same evidence that coincides with the promise of Christ concerning His followers here Mark 16:15-20!  All of which would be unrecognizable to the false doctrinaire calling himself a priest that taugh O’REILLY.  He is part of a church that VIOLATES the words of Christ at EVERY TURN and no I’m not talking about the buggery!  The vary practice of calling a priest, “FATHER” is to commit and act of BLASPHEMY, and most of you never heard that before! Well, read Matt 23:9! Where Jesus tells you not to call him “Father” because you have ONE FATHER and it is HE who is in HEAVEN!!!!

Bill O’Reilly’s church is the church that Paul WARNED Timothy about in 1TIM 4:1-4 !   Paul prophesied that there would come a church that listened to the doctrines of DEMONS, and that certainly seems to be the Catholic church which is busy praying to MARY, PETER, PAUL AND ANYBODY THAT’LL LISTEN, in spite of that whole FIRST AND THIRD COMMANDMENT THING about having “NO OTHER GODS” and not “BOWING DOWN TO THEM OR WORSHIPPING THEM”.  Interestingly enough Paul gives Timothy the SIGNS by which he will KNOW the FALSE CHURCH which heeded the doctrines of DEMONS and which taught LIES IN HYPOCRISY and guess what they were??? This false church would FORBID PEOPLE TO MARRY ( priests, nuns) AND would COMMAND THE ABSTENTION OF MEATS ( no meat on Friday), ring a bell? True to the efficacy of scripture and even though it took them 1000yrs fo fulfill it, the began to require celibacy and advocate the abstention of meats. 
1 Timothy 4:1-4
King James Version (KJV)1 Timothy 4 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

The biblical REQUIREMENTS FOR BEING A BISHOP, which all “Cardinals” are and which the Pope is as well, are quite interesting. Wanna take a guess what they are!
1 Timothy 3:1-7
King James Version (KJV)1 Timothy 3 1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.So to conclude this bible study, a Bishop HAS TO BE MARRIED,  to a WOMAN, sorry to have to add that nowadays. The so called “Pope” does not have the power to change one jot or tittle from the WORD OF GOD. Jesus picked 12 apostles to form HIS church and instate the rules thereof.  So Bill, a member of a false  church, that teaches nothing about receiving the Holy Ghost, is criticizing another false Christian for not being well, Christian. And yes, he has the right to make that judgement according to 2 corinthians 5:11-13, we are SUPPOSED TO JUDGE THE DOCTRINE AND BEHAVIOR OF SOMEONE CLAIMING TO BE A CHRISTIAN. The only problem is that Bill and I fear a good portion of you all, would be found not to have the required Spirit, received with the appropriate EVIDENCE. Don’t just take John3:16 out of context, or Romans 10:9-13! In both cases false churches built their false doctrines by taking scriptures which describe a GENERAL THING, ie. God’s love for whosoever believes in His Son and saying, see? Just believe! Or Romans 10:9 and saying, see? Just confess and believe! Both of these sections of the Word are describing a general thing, which has SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. For instance, before you get to John 3:16′s general statement describing God’s love for whosoever believes, there is a SPECIFIC SET OF REQUIREMENTS LAID OUT IN GREAT DETAIL that say that IF YOU ARE NOT BORN AGAIN you can NEITHER SEE NOR ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD!  Just “believing” isn’t going to “countermand” the part where JESUS says IF YOU DON’T DO THIS YOU CANNOT ENTER MY KINGDOM!!!   See John 3:1-8, pay attention, read v 8 again. There is a common experience with a mysterious SOUND that EVERYONE who is BORN OF THE SPIRIT, shares! Again, consistent with Mark 16:15-20, Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-48 and Acts 19:1-6, all of the pivotal points where new groups RECEIVED the SAME SPIRIT the SAME WAY!And how serious is this? Some will lie and say “it’s all about faith” or pull out the tired “we are saved by faith through grace” which describes WHAT we are NOT how we came to Be that. They should read the one that says “Faith without works is DEAD. And Jesus commanded BAPTISM IN WATER and BAPTISM IN HIS SPIRIT! John 3:1-8. Speaking of which, they claim that PETER is their “first pope” and Peter is definitely the Apostle to whom Jesus gave the KEYS TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVED, he is also the APOSTLE charged with preaching the FIRST HOLY GHOST FILLED MESSAGE, Acts 2:11-41. And he was the Apostle charged with sharing that message with the fiRST GENTILES that were to be saved Acts 10-all, but nowhere is he called a POPE. And if you really thought that he WAS your pope, why wouldn’t they BAPTIZE THE PEOPLE THE WAY JESUS TOLD PETER TO DO IT, AND THE WAY THAT PETER TOLD THE PEOPLE TO DO IT ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST???? Acts 2:38. Romans 8:9 says something about those who don’t have the Spirit ofChrist, which again must mean that there is a way to know whether one has it or NOT, contrary to the doctrine of the false church, again. Read the book of Acts for yourselves, SEE How the men charged with FORMING the church, put the teachings of Christ into action! Compare that with what you know. Here’s a brian OPENER just to get you started. Here is the proof that the church which sings songs every Christmas about Jesus coming to bring “PEACE ON EARTH”, is the false church. Jesus TOLD THEM NOT TO THINK THAT HE CAME TO BRING PEACE ON EARTH, JESUS TOLD THEM THAT IN FACT, HE CAME TO BRING A SWORD. False Christians will have NEVER heard this before, but it’s bible baby, it’s bible. Matt 10:34-38. If you can’t answer the APOSTLE in Acts 19:1-6 “Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed”,  you should re-examine your position in the faith. If you’ve been baptized in the empty titles Father, Son and Holy Ghost, YOU NEED TO BE RE-BAPTIZED IN JESUS’ NAME just as PAUL RE-BAPTIZED the people in ACTS 19:16 ( and yes I know about Matt 28:19 and SO DID PETER who understood the three titles to refer to JESUS CHRIST in whom DWELT the fullness of the GODHEAD). Study to show thyself approved. 

The Danish guy picked up the teachings in the Bible that encouraged warfare, and quote Luke etc. Trying to distant Christianity from violence is just moronic. The Knight template that the killer rambled about had a crusade mission which was sanctioned and encouraged by the Church. So please cut the crap in regards to re-writing history. George Bush and Tony Blair launched a crusade against the Iraqis, its their, go and pick it up with them. 

Christianity isn’t about Religion, going to Church, or walking the streets, preaching the Word.  It is about your own Personal Relationship with Our Lord Jesus.  Church is great for socializing with others of the same belief and fellowship, but recieving the Holy Spirit can be done at home as well as in Church.  Also, I have always considered myself a Warrior of Jesus, loving all, but putting my trust only in fellow Christians, and I have never considered, not for a second, about ever turning the other cheek, if my family, friends, faith, or country is ever in harms way. Course, that could also come from serving a lifetime in the military.

Most Europeans view of religion is different that Americans.  I have lived here over twenty years and am married to one.  In the Evengelical church, most think that when your Christened as a baby, will do you for life.  They also have to pay a percentage of their pay to the church, you can get out of the church, but that is frowned upon.  It isn’t much, but that is one of the rules Hitler came up with that they kept on the books.  So, they think they pay their tithes and was Christened as a baby, hey, I’m a Christian!

Anders Breivik was Insane and lost in a weird Fantasy world, wanting to appear in court in a homemade uniform, playing weird video games, writing some kind of Constitution, all really weird stuff.  And, he wanted to start a war against the muslims, what the heck is he doing killing his own people?  Why didn’t he go into a muslim neighborhood or mosque and start killing?  I understand he was also against Socialism and that the youth camp was for Labor Party kids, which is the Socialist party, but to slaughter innocent people is Insane and Anders Breivik is Insane and No Christian at heart!

Billdo will determine whether Breivik is a xtian or not after he checks out the guy’s circumcision.

And yet she’s WaPo’s expert on faith. Heh.

…..and if you’re an old school Pats fan you must have loved the aughts

I used to feed them back then! I cooked at a restaurant just outside of their then training camp. Those boys could eat, and Steve Grogan was The Man.

There are no Christian extremists. Ask Dr Tiller’s friends and family Bill. You remember him right?

Race baiting and poverty pimping.

So, you await the findings of the investigators and while you’re waiting you’re making proclamations about his faith and state of mind. Gotcha.

Shorter: “I would give you those examples but I don’t know of any.”

Thank you, and have a nice day.

There are benevolent Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddihsts, and Athiests in the world. There are also horribly evil Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddihsts and Athiests in the world. We need to get past this idea that if you’re apart of a particular religion, then you’re going to a specific and easily generalized type of person. It’s ignorant and its in no way constructive

And somehow the political aspect of the crime is lost in the muddle of religious name calling.  Looks like a plan to me.(NOT). The religious hangup is just a cover for the fact that people are starting to realize how damaging Marxist ideology is.

And somehow the political aspect of the crime is lost in the muddle of religious name calling.  Looks like a plan to me.(NOT). The religious hangup is just a cover for the fact that people are starting to realize how damaging Marxist ideology is.

This guy was a Christian by birth- but declairing himself agnostic/athiest certainly removes him from the practicing Christian relm.  It saddens me that this man is more like myself – a Christian by birth, but an athiest by choice- than one of the crazies that do stuff in God’s name.

It is also similar to Obama- who is a Muslim by birth (Faith of the father) but a Christian by choice.   Of course if you say that, the same people who are so willing to call this guy a Christian will probably freak out.

I think if you look in terms of Breivik uses Christian- it seems like it is how an American describes his heritage- “I am Irish (Italian, German, French, Russian, etc)”.  The person who states this means it is where his history is from and not where the person actually holds a birth certificate.   From my experience most Europeans don’t understand why Americans do that- if you went to a Frenchman and said “Hey, I am French too!” they tend to not know what to make of you. 

nope.  

he said he was Christian. i have no reason to doubt him until it’s proven otherwise.  

also, Christian extremists elsewhere have used many of the same arguments, so he fits into that category until it’s find otherwise.  

finally, when he mentions some of the same people (ex:  Pam Gellar) and themes (anti-multiculturalism) over and over and over in a paper of 1500 pages, to me that’s ranting.  once during the exposition and a recap at the end would be enough.

of course, to you it may only be polite conversation, especially if you do it yourself.

this is what you get when you listen to a person who doesn’t know much beyond 16th-century science.

Yes, why are you people so hateful?  You worthless fucks.   

Nacho hates people who have hatred.  

Are Mormons Christians?   No.
Are Catholics Christians?   No.
Are Muslims Christians?    No

When did O’Reilly last go to Mass?  Don’t ask, he won’t tell.
He still wouldn’t be a Christian.
He’s Catholic. 
That is not a Protestant religion.

 Uggg you religious nuts never stop.

 What are you talking about who are marxist in this equation. You guys are off the reservation.

 First off bill there were plenty of muslims he killed iin that crowd. Second off Muslims fanatics kill other muslims all the time. So what he did was right in step with a right wing religious fanatic.

your assuming again

no he won the debate hands down .

So if just because you say your a christian doesn’t make you a christian
, then why would saying your a muslim make you a muslim?Wow you missed the point. you must have the attributes of what your claimung to be. I can say that I am a black person , and I do not have black or brown skin ..does not make me a negro. Christians are not taught to kill ..musslims are.

sorry the Jesus of tthe bible does not have any twin brothers

your really confused..you think evil is good and good is evil ..you need help

dems and libs only know how to get food stamps and welfare.

you do not know what a christian is..They are called christians because they follow christ[Jesus] a disciple acts chapter 11 …you will know them by thier fruits matthew chapter 7.. christians do not kill ..its not thier nature or they are taught it .

you do not know what a christian is..They are called christians because they follow christ[Jesus] a disciple acts chapter 11 …you will know them by thier fruits matthew chapter 7.. christians do not kill ..its not thier nature or they are taught it .

There is no way this guy is a christian ..They are called christians because they follow christ[Jesus] a disciple acts chapter 11 …you will know them by thier fruits matthew chapter 7.. christians do not kill ..its not thier nature or they are taught it .  Please show me anywhere that Jesus taught to kill. He aways taught the oppisite ..LOVE..Just because someone says they are something does not make them it. The proof is in the pudding. A CHRISTIAN IS A PERSON YOU FOLLOWS JESUS…………..many people claim that they are .but are not . In fact to prove my point many people in the past and present claim to be Jesus. There was only one Jesus he was God in the flesh John chapter 1…. You can claim to be a apple. That does not make you a apple….What dont you understand about this..

There is no way this guy is a christian ..They are called christians because they follow christ[Jesus] a disciple acts chapter 11 …you will know them by thier fruits matthew chapter 7.. christians do not kill ..its not thier nature or they are taught it .  Please show me anywhere that Jesus taught to kill. He aways taught the oppisite ..LOVE..Just because someone says they are something does not make them it. The proof is in the pudding. A CHRISTIAN IS A PERSON YOU FOLLOWS JESUS…………..many people claim that they are .but are not . In fact to prove my point many people in the past and present claim to be Jesus. There was only one Jesus he was God in the flesh John chapter 1…. You can claim to be a apple. That does not make you a apple….What dont you understand about this..

Christian by birth what are you talking about .A christian is not a christian by birth.. where do you get that.. a christian is a person that follows christ acts chapter 11  a disciple ..your a christian only if you follow Jesus .

Christian by birth what are you talking about .A christian is not a christian by birth.. where do you get that.. a christian is a person that follows christ acts chapter 11  a disciple ..your a christian only if you follow Jesus .

a christian can not be evil ..he follows christ… if he is evil hes not following christ ..whats so hard to understand

a christian can not be evil ..he follows christ… if he is evil hes not following christ ..whats so hard to understand

christians did not kill this doctor.. a christian follows christ.. Jesus taught not to kill ..this proves they where not christian 

christians did not kill this doctor.. a christian follows christ.. Jesus taught not to kill ..this proves they where not christian 

christians did not kill this doctor.. a christian follows christ.. Jesus taught not to kill ..this proves they where not christian 

well said a christian could not commit such a act .

There is no way this guy is a christian ..They are called christians because they follow christ[Jesus] a disciple acts chapter 11 …you will know them by thier fruits matthew chapter 7.. christians do not kill ..its not thier nature or they are taught it .  Please show me anywhere that Jesus taught to kill. He aways taught the oppisite ..LOVE..Just because someone says they are something does not make them it. The proof is in the pudding. A CHRISTIAN IS A PERSON YOU FOLLOWS JESUS…………..many people claim that they are .but are not . In fact to prove my point many people in the past and present claim to be Jesus. There was only one Jesus he was God in the flesh John chapter 1…. You can claim to be a apple. That does not make you a apple….What dont you understand about this..
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I understand your point but i think your missing my point. There are people who claim to be christian and molest children, now by your definition there not christian but they themselves claim to be christian and many are priests. there are also many muslims who are terrorists, but regular muslims would claim that they do not agree with or believe in murdering infidels. My point was that being a certain race, religion or ethnicity doesn’t determine what type of person you are. Basically, people are people

that hasn’t stopped Christians from mass slaughter for 1700 years, ever since Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire. killing has been and is repeatedly done in the name of Christianity.

you can argue with historians about the past. as for the present day, we have plenty of ‘Christians’ who are gleefully killing. this includes the ones in the government who advocate it, authorize it and take part in it.

(it’s a joke.  don’t worry.  Jesus and Mohammed understand, as well as Eris.)

What I find most interesting is the outspoken way FOX pundits like O’Reilly and Laura I. will fervently protect surface displays of the christain faith, or point out the “muslim problem” but then avoid delving to deeply into policy discussions regarding greed, pride, lust…OR what the christian bible might have to say about end times as described in Revelations (and how it might relate to “jihad”). FOX christianity is exercised through capitalism (or “American Exceptionalism”), with very little to do with a greater moral duty.

If you are a teacher. Please teach the right way ..ITs the book of revelation .not plural. God and God only will judge and destroy in the Bible unlike jihad where man does the judgeing and destroying.

that is true .what does this have to do with the guy saying hes a christian or not

your faith is only as good as it is . Its not your faith ..its what you have it in that counts . you can have all the faith in the world .that does not make your faith true…

what dont you understand ..christians do not kill ..if your talking about the catholic church..they are not christians .they are not following christ Jesus. Again just because someone says they are something does not prove that they are . there actions do. I can say I am a apple all day long .that does not make me a apple Bill O was right . A true christian cannot and will not kill someone out of hatred its not in thier nature they are indwelled by Christ himself ..Jesus does not teach hate or murder

Drew that would be true if both relgions are true . From my 30 year study I have found with out a doubt Jesus is who he says he is God in the flesh and he rules over all of creation  Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father but thourgh me. He is saying he is the ony way John 14:6
  Islam is a false religion ..Jesus says so. or Jesus is a liar . Please ask Jesus sincerly if he is the only way . If you SINCERLY do this watch out you are about to take a wild ride in your life .you will never be the same.. you will  have peace even in the worst storm .. God bless you  

your ‘Bill-O’ got a man shot in church. incitement to murder is less than a step below murder.

also, Protestants have been killing Catholics in this country for about 200 years. they stopped killing masses of them around the 1920s, but Catholics were still lynched by ‘Christian Protestants’ belonging to the KKK until the 1970s, along with Jews and blacks.

you can believe in fairy tales all you want. in my opinion, the only true Christian was Jesus. in there aren’t any others.

oh yeah. . .this means you really need to get some time on national TV and denounce every politician, since none of them are Christians, either.

To your reply on your ‘Bill-O’ got a man shot in church. incitement to murder is less than a step below murder.

Whats so hard to understand. Do you really think a person in the KKK are christian. Again a Christian is a person that FOLLOWS JESUS and his teachings ..Acts chapter 11 this is how christian got thier name  a disciple .. Matthew chapter 7 you will know them by thier fruits . Members of the KKK do not show the fruit of a christian therefore they are not christians . Anyone that does not Jesus are not christian .Jesus was not a christian his followers are called christians . 

study islam before its too late.. after u die, there is no going back. peace