Wow, what will you libs do without this talking point? Oh who am I kidding, you’ll still use it, even though it’s been proved bogus numerous times. That’s just how liberals roll. The truth means nothing, the smear means everything.

as soon as JS claimed that in the interview I thought about the numerous polls that have claimed otherwise…
not to mention that JS exclaimed that “fact” w/ such conviction…

not to mention the poll he referenced was conducted by a Left-wing “think-tank”…

Fact: Liberals are just like Reagan stated. Liberals know know so much that isn’t so. I say they hear so much that isn’t said.

Jon, just because you believe doesn’t make it so…..

schmuck….

Jon Stewart LIES.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Liberals are just like Reagan stated. Liberals know know so much that isn’t so. I say they hear so much that isn’t said.

Very wise.

News Item: “PolitiFact Finds Jon Stewart’s Claim False.”

I guess that’s why he looks like a dumb, inbred Lib in the photo.

Oops, thats gonna leave a mark. Stewart we are finding has a rather thin skin.

GoneFishing said:
Oops, thats gonna leave a mark. Stewart we are finding has a rather thin skin.

If I know Stewart he will not address this a simply whistle past the graveyard… Nothing to see here, move along.

Is Jon Stewart misinformed, or is there another explanation?

Liberal Tormentor - formenting liberals with ilogic and ffantasy since 1972 said:
Wow, what will you libs do without this talking point? Oh who am I kidding, you’ll still use it, even though it’s been proved bogus numerous times. That’s just how liberals roll. The truth means nothing, the smear means everything.

Tingles:

“whatever you think of his politics, and I think he’s generally right, he’s so friggin smart that you cannot take him on mano-a-mano.”

Awwwwww.

Ok, the real statement should have been they are the most ignorant instead of being the most ill-informed. Whats the difference, in the end they can’t separate the facts.

tatboy said:
If I know Stewart he will not address this a simply whistle past the graveyard… Nothing to see here, move along.

“Hey, I’m just a comedian! Jokey, jokey!”

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Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Wow, what will you libs do without this talking point? Oh who am I kidding, you’ll still use it, even though it’s been proved bogus numerous times. That’s just how liberals roll. The truth means nothing, the smear means everything.

Smear away!!!!!!!!!!

skyfet said:
Ok, the real statement should have been they are the most ignorant instead of being the most ill-informed. Whats the difference, in the end they can’t separate the facts.

So you and Jon are just going to keep pulling crap out your butt until something sticks to the wall? Jon was wrong and engaged in lies to push HIS political agenda. Just take the hit and move on.

Was Jon including his own appearances as part of that misinformation?

tatboy said:
If I know Stewart he will not address this a simply whistle past the graveyard… Nothing to see here, move along.

lol, Yup, he will try, but Stewart is not the only kid on the playground. Somebody is gonna rub his nose in it.

Wait a second. These polls are from 2007 and 2008 so in reality they shouldnt count. Since Obama has taken office the amount of misinformation presented to the public from the Fox News is astounding.

tatboy said:
So you and Jon are just going to keep pulling crap out your butt until something sticks to the wall? Jon was wrong and engaged in lies to push HIS political agenda. Just take the hit and move on.

The official report which you are all backing clearly say they are the least informed, whilst Stewart states that they are the most ill informed. He might have used the wrong term, but we can’t deny that they are not that informed. It appears t me that you are picking and choosing the part of the report you like. Why don’t you read it, that would be a good place to start.

tatboy said:
Jon was wrong and engaged in lies to push HIS political agenda.

Yes. Political. Agenda. Jon Stewart’s political agenda. Let just stop pretending he doesn’t have one.

Sky got back up and read the shaded area. You are embarrassing yourself again. Let me know if you need help with the big words.

Do the polls fluctuate regularly or stay the same? Just curious because he used the word “consistently”.

Liberal Tormentor - fomenting liberals with illogical and fantasies since 1972 said:
Sky got back up and read the shaded area. You are embarrassing yourself again. Let me know if you need help with the big words.

See Jon, it’s because you and your friends in the media lie so much that FOX is the most trusted name in news. Keep it up, you’re diggin your own grave!

skyfet said:
The official report which you are all backing clearly say they are the least informed, whilst Stewart states that they are the most ill informed. He might have used the wrong term, but we can’t deny that they are not that informed. It appears t me that you are picking and choosing the part of the report you like. Why don’t you read it, that would be a good place to start.

Try READING…….

“We have three Pew studies that superficially rank Fox viewers low on the well-informed list, but in several of the surveys, Fox isn’t the lowest, and other general-interest media outlets — such as network news shows, network morning shows and even the other cable news networks — often score similarly low. Meanwhile, particular Fox shows — such as The O’Reilly Factor and Sean Hannity’s show — actually score consistently well, occasionally even outpacing Stewart’s own audience.”

lol even hannity & colmes viewers beat the daily show numbnuts 42 to 30 percent

http://reason.com/blog/2011/06/21/is-jon-stewart-correct-that-fo

Onesweetworld79 said:
Since Obama has taken office the amount of misinformation presented to the public from the Fox News is astounding.

Well, sure, but they have to cover stuff Obama says just like everybody else. Misinformation is a huge problem in the Obama age.

skyfet said:
The official report which you are all backing clearly say they are the least informed, whilst Stewart states that they are the most ill informed. He might have used the wrong term, but we can’t deny that they are not that informed. It appears t me that you are picking and choosing the part of the report you like. Why don’t you read it, that would be a good place to start.

Why don’t you learn how to write? THAT would be a good place to start……

tatboy said:
Try READING…….

“We have three Pew studies that superficially rank Fox viewers low on the well-informed list, but in several of the surveys, Fox isn’t the lowest, and other general-interest media outlets — such as network news shows, network morning shows and even the other cable news networks — often score similarly low. Meanwhile, particular Fox shows — such as The O’Reilly Factor and Sean Hannity’s show — actually score consistently well, occasionally even outpacing Stewart’s own audience.”

Now try to understand it, instead of copying and pasting it. Especially the low part. So if you are constantly ranked with the lowest, you can’t claim to be on top, in the end you are still down there.

Pablo said:
Well, sure, but they have to cover stuff Obama says just like everybody else. Misinformation is a huge problem in the Obama age.

You mean the ones Fox apologizes for regularly, when they’ve been caught red handed for misrepresenting reality.

skyfet said:
So if you are constantly ranked with the lowest, you can’t claim to be on top,

First, they are not “consistently” ranked lowest. Second, the claim in question is not that Fox is on top. Did you read the piece at all, or are you playing blind comment warrior this morning?

justanotherconservative said:
Why don’t you learn how to write? THAT would be a good place to start……

First lesson for you, one full stop is enough after your last word. Adding extras to it means you have more to say, or you are skipping some part, which also means something must come after it.

You are welcome.

Pablo said:
First, they are not “consistently” ranked lowest. Second, the claim in question is not that Fox is on top. Did you read the piece at all, or are you playing blind comment warrior this morning?

Read the darn thing, tatboy has helped you out by copying it out for ya, they are ranked with the lowest. Now go and read it, Until then, Don’t address me.

skyfet said:
You mean the ones Fox apologizes for regularly,

Which ones are those, sky? Capiche!

skyfet said:
The official report which you are all backing clearly say they are the least informed, whilst Stewart states that they are the most ill informed. He might have used the wrong term, but we can’t deny that they are not that informed. It appears t me that you are picking and choosing the part of the report you like. Why don’t you read it, that would be a good place to start.

Agree and excellent point made.

skyfet said:
Now try to understand it, instead of copying and pasting it. Especially the low part. So if you are constantly ranked with the lowest, you can’t claim to be on top, in the end you are still down there.

You clearly wrote….

“The official report which you are all backing clearly say they are the least informed, whilst Stewart states that they are the most ill informed.”

The statement from PolitiFact (which you clearly didn’t read) blow that statement out of the water by a mile. AND the statement points out that the Fox News watchers (which i am not one BTW)…

“Fox isn’t the lowest, and other general-interest media outlets — such as network news shows, network morning shows and even the other cable news networks — often score similarly low. “\

You get that or do I have to spell it out. Fox News watchers may score low (not the lowest as you can Jon stated) but no lower that your average NBC, CBS, or ABC watcher.

Got it now? Or do I have to keep going?

glenn113 said:
Agree and excellent point made.

And factually wrong…. but thanks for playing.

Pablo said:
Which ones are those, sky? Capiche!

Really? do you really want me to list them?

Hannity using representation of tea party attendees.
False CPAC poll result on Ron Paul
Identify Gov. Sanford as a Democrat
Billo apologizing for smearing Sherrod

I don’t want to embarrass you, there is too much, You set yourself up for asking the obvious.

tatboy said:
You clearly wrote….

“The official report which you are all backing clearly say they are the least informed, whilst Stewart states that they are the most ill informed.”

The statement from PolitiFact (which you clearly didn’t read) blow that statement out of the water by a mile. AND the statement points out that the Fox News watchers (which i am not one BTW)…

“Fox isn’t the lowest, and other general-interest media outlets — such as network news shows, network morning shows and even the other cable news networks — often score similarly low. “\

You get that or do I have to spell it out. Fox News watchers may score low (not the lowest as you can Jon stated) but no lower that your average NBC, CBS, or ABC watcher.

Got it now? Or do I have to keep going?

This is a joke! In School the ‘D’ student cannot claim ‘C’ or to be in competition with the ‘A’ students. Low means low, what part of that do you not understand?

rut roh, someone touched skyfet’s nerve!! hes gonna blow!!

skyfet said:
Really? do you really want me to list them? Hannity using representation of tea party attendees.False CPAC poll result on Ron PaulIdentify Gov. Sanford as a DemocratBillo apologizing for smearing Sherrod I don’t want to embarrass you, there is too much, You set yourself up for asking the obvious.

Maddow lying about the WI budget.
Maddow lying about a Repub house member getting a fax about the OK City BEFORE the bombing.
Olbermann interviewing Dems before making donations to there campaign….etc…. etc….ect….

skyfet said:
This is a joke! In School the ‘D’ student cannot claim ‘C’ or to be in competition with the ‘A’ students. Low means low, what part of that do you not understand?

Have you ever ONCE gone off on ABC, NBC or CBS viewers as dumb or misinformed? Or is it just Fox News viewers you label that way out of hate and bigotry for the people that watch THAT channel? If I’m wrong please correct me…. but I cannot remember you EVER talking about CBS, NBC, or ABC watchers that way.

tatboy said:
Maddow lying about the WI budget.
Maddow lying about a Repub house member getting a fax about the OK City BEFORE the bombing.
Olbermann interviewing Dems before making donations to there campaign….etc…. etc….ect….

Now its tit for tat, I thought the thread is about Fox News. So you do admit what I’ve been saying. You can discuss the Maddow stuff on another thread, why is it hard for you to just accept defeat in the face of hard facts?

tatboy said:
Have you ever ONCE gone off on ABC, NBC or CBS viewers as dumb or misinformed? Or is it just Fox News viewers you label that way out of hate and bigotry for the people that watch THAT channel? If I’m wrong please correct me…. but I cannot remember you EVER talking about CBS, NBC, or ABC watchers that way.

I didn’t write the piece, The pice is about Fox, we comment on it. If you have issues with those stations, write on the posts relating to them.

skyfet said:
You mean the ones Fox apologizes for regularly, when they’ve been caught red handed for misrepresenting reality.

skyfet said:
Really? do you really want me to list them?

Hannity using representation of tea party attendees.
False CPAC poll result on Ron Paul
Identify Gov. Sanford as a Democrat
Billo apologizing for smearing Sherrod

I don’t want to embarrass you, there is too much, You set yourself up for asking the obvious.

That’s what you’ve got, sky? And you call that “regularly”? I think we’ve all got a grasp on what you’re up to here.

jddoubleu said:
rut roh, someone touched skyfet’s nerve!! hes gonna blow!!

I hope it wasn’t his freaking nerve. Who wants to clean that mess up?

its a fact stewart was wrong, but he is just a comic right?

Pablo said:
That’s what you’ve got, sky? And you call that “regularly”? I think we’ve all got a grasp on what you’re up to here.

Am embarrassed on your behalf, you can’t counter it, so what is your response? Nothing, nada, zilch, blah.

skyfet said:
Now its tit for tat, I thought the thread is about Fox News. So you do admit what I’ve been saying. You can discuss the Maddow stuff on another thread, why is it hard for you to just accept defeat in the face of hard facts?

skyfet said:
I didn’t write the piece, The pice is about Fox, we comment on it. If you have issues with those stations, write on the posts relating to them.

COWARD… :)

tatboy said:
COWARD… :)

lol, I think I may have touched a nerve. It’s not personal, if you don’t have facts on your side, never engage in a debate that you are bound to lose. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Peace

Please feel free to defend this verdict if you have criticized Politifact in the past.

skyfet said:
Am embarrassed on your behalf, you can’t counter it, so what is your response? Nothing, nada, zilch, blah.

come on dude, did your “english as a second language” teacher tell you “engaging people in online conversation” would help you learn it faster?

jddoubleu said:
come on dude, did your “english as a second language” teacher tell you “engaging people in online conversation” would help you learn it faster?

I wish your English teacher had time to teach you about capitalization. It’s embarrassing, awful.

When reached for comment, Stewart replied “I don’t have to tell the truth. I’m a comedian. That’s just the standard that applies to … everyone but me.” Then he called Sarah Palin an idiot and made a funny face, and a nearby group of 18-year-olds pissed themselves laughing.

skyfet said:
lol, I think I may have touched a nerve. It’s not personal, if you don’t have facts on your side, never engage in a debate that you are bound to lose. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. Peace

I think people can read the commets in this post and figure out who brought FACTS and who is weak. I will let our statments stand and let others judge for themselves.

skyfet said:
I wish your English teacher had time to teach you about capitalization. It’s embarrassing, awful.

thats all you got? pathetic…

stewart lied, enough said

jddoubleu said:
thats all you got? pathetic…

You have a phobia with the caps lock? Maybe its a phobia.

skyfet said:
You have a phobia with the caps lock? Maybe its a phobia.

actually it would be the shift key. caps lock is for your iris persona.

keep going genius, your intellect is awe inspiring!!

Thelonious Funk said:
Please feel free to defend this verdict if you have criticized Politifact in the past.

When I criticize Politifact, I do so with a case-specific argument. If you’re trying to suggest that they got this wrong, you should do the same.

jddoubleu said:
actually it would be the shift key. caps lock is for your iris persona.

keep going genius, your intellect is awe inspiring!!

Duh! you are also lacking in the use of keyboards. Ahhhhhhhhh

skyfet said:
lol, I think I may have touched a nerve. It’s not personal, if you don’t have facts on your side, never engage in a debate that you are bound to lose. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. Peace

For your sake, I hope you take your won advice. It would save you the embarrassment you encounter on a daily basis.

i think what stewart meant was that Fox misinforms their viewers more than any other
news organization, not necessarily that Fox viewers are the most informed.

because (obviously), fox programming is easily the most dumbed down of any news
organization.

Thelonious Funk said:
Please feel free to defend this verdict if you have criticized Politifact in the past.

one doesn’t need politifact to know that the Stewart claim is as phony as a three dollar bill…

viewers are almost always going to learn/unlearn what they want.

but programmers are definitely ‘putting the information out there’

and, fox most egregiously abuses that action.

darladoon said:
i think what stewart meant was that Fox misinforms their viewers more than any other
news organization, not necessarily that Fox viewers are the most informed.

Which really means, “FNC has people which say things against the common left-wing talking points, and we on the left don’t appreciate that.”

because (obviously), fox programming is easily the most dumbed down of any news
organization.

Which really means, “I don’t like new or information which goes against my ideology. If you disagree with me, you’re dumb.”

skoorbekim said:
one doesn’t need politifact to know that the Stewart claim is as phony as a three dollar bill…

it’s obviously not that phony

a poll came out about 2 years ago which showed daily show fans more
informed that fox news viewers.

http://thinkprogress.org/default/2007/04/16/11946/daily-show-fox-knowledge/

cjd ohio 1 said:
stewart lied, enough said

darladoon said:
i think what stewart meant was that Fox misinforms their viewers more than any othernews organization, not necessarily that Fox viewers are the most informed. because (obviously), fox programming is easily the most dumbed down of any newsorganization.

he lied, whats so hard to understand

ImNotBlue said:
Which really means, “FNC has people which say things against the common left-wing talking points, and we on the left don’t appreciate that.”

Which really means, “I don’t like new or information which goes against my ideology. If you disagree with me, you’re dumb.”

it means neither of those things.

Liberal Tormentor - fomenting liberals with Illogical and fantasies since 1972 said:
For your sake, I hope you take your won advice. It would save you the embarrassment you encounter on a daily basis.

Coming from you, I find it very strange.

darladoon said:
i think what stewart meant was that Fox misinforms their viewers more than any othernews organization, not necessarily that Fox viewers are the most informed. because (obviously), fox programming is easily the most dumbed down of any newsorganization.

Which would explain they are #1 in ratings and the most trusted name in news.

skyfet said:
I wish your English teacher had time to teach you about capitalization. It’s embarrassing, awful.

Fact: Skyfet says. Stones first one thrown. Over fence ripples on pond. That is the way I read all your thread inputs. It only appears to make sense to you alone. You can call yourself unique. Hahahahahahaha…………….

cjd ohio 1 said:
he lied, whats so hard to understand

he didn’t lie, he slightly misrepresented the study.

and, come on, everyone knows that fox news consistently lies and distorts the truth

so, to claim that their viewers buy the lies/distortions, is not that far-fetched.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Which would explain they are #1 in ratings and the most trusted name in news.

obviously, because making money is the most important thing, not informing
viewers…….we all know that. it’s america. we’re the dumbest country
in the world.

darladoon said:
i think what stewart meant was that Fox misinforms their viewers more than any othernews organization, not necessarily that Fox viewers are the most informed. because (obviously), fox programming is easily the most dumbed down of any newsorganization.

Fact: If it was dumbed down why does it still confuse you?

darladoon said:
obviously, because making money is the most important thing, not informingviewers…….we all know that. it’s america. we’re the dumbest countryin the world.

Fact: That’s America to you!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: If it was dumbed down why does it still confuse you?

gee, great point (huh?)

skyfet said:
You have a phobia with the caps lock? Maybe its a phobia.

One may occasionally press the ‘Shift’ key while typing in the interest of understanding, punctuation or emphasis; The ‘Caps Lock’ key however is Verboten, and the user of said key instantly looses 25 internetz.

darladoon said:
it’s obviously not that phony

a poll came out about 2 years ago which showed daily show fans more
informed that fox news viewers.

http://thinkprogress.org/default/2007/04/16/11946/daily-show-fox-knowledge/

Except that was talked about in the above story… and shown to be incorrect. But please, keep on getting your “news” from left-wing advocacy sites. I’m sure they’ll tell you the unbiased truth.

darladoon said:
it means neither of those things.

Well, yes it does. You want to hear your opinions parroted back, and anyone or anything that doesn’t exclusively do that, you’re upset about, and this is “stupid.” It’s pretty typical behavior for the ideological driven.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: That’s America to you!

no, that’s the truth.

out of industrialized countries, we’re the dumbest.

foreigners speak more languages.

they take all our engineering/computer/research jobs.

they test better on AMERICAN history than…..americans,etc,etc

darladoon said:
gee, great point (huh?)

Fact: That’s why you should avoid Fox News it’s just to informative and the way you are as you post the government thinks for you.

ImNotBlue said:
Except that was talked about in the above story… and shown to be incorrect. But please, keep on getting your “news” from left-wing advocacy sites. I’m sure they’ll tell you the unbiased truth.

Well, yes it does. You want to hear your opinions parroted back, and anyone or anything that doesn’t exclusively do that, you’re upset about, and this is “stupid.” It’s pretty typical behavior for the ideological driven.

it wasn’t shown to be incorrect. that source was not “left wing advocacy”. it was pew
research. as for assumptions about who i am, or what i believe, you know nothing.

darladoon said:
no, that’s the truth. out of industrialized countries, we’re the dumbest. foreigners speak more languages. they take all our engineering/computer/research jobs. they test better on AMERICAN history than…..americans,etc,etc

Fact: America prints all instructions in multiple languages to help people survive in life but the people like you are unable to digest it. It hurts doesn’t it?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: That’s why you should avoid Fox News it’s just to informative and the way you are as you post the government thinks for you.

brilliant. and so well spoken……

Just4thefax said:
Fact: America prints all instructions in multiple languages to help people survive in life but the people like you are unable to digest it. It hurts doesn’t it?

so does canada, england, france, germany, australia, shall i keep going?

darladoon said:
he didn’t lie, he slightly misrepresented the study. and, come on, everyone knows that fox news consistently lies and distorts the truth so, to claim that their viewers buy the lies/distortions, is not that far-fetched.

#1 He lied. Let me help you…

lie:noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.

#2 Only in the world of the DailyKos and Media Matters. Fox News is as accurate as MSNBC or any other organization. They all make mistakes. Fox News just has more people taking shots at it becouse it is a lone voice in the wilderness. Do you find yourself as upset when MSNBC makes an error?

#3 The PolitiFact article clearly states that Fox news viewers are no less informed than those watching the MSM.

cjd ohio 1 said:
stewart lied, enough said

Hold on… You sure you can saw he lied as opposed to erred? I remember seeing several articles making this exact claim about Fox viewers (including this very site, and I’ll add one more from 2007), so isn’t it possible that Stewart himself is misinformed? And that’s way different than being a liar. Lying is willfully distorting the truth; being misinformed is not knowing the truth well enough to distort it. Ethically, lying is far worse.

University of Maryland poll (2010) http://www.mediaite.com/tv/study-fox-news-viewers-most-misinformed-of-all-news-consumers/
Pew Poll (2007) http://people-press.org/2007/04/15/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions/

Both of these polls, three years apart, seem to put Fox viewers at the very bottom of the list. I remember there being other polls, but now when I google (Fox viewers misinformed), I get more links to this current story than anything else (damn google algorithms). So yeah, while Stewart may have been wrong (I’m not defending him for that), calling him a liar is a bit much.

And… start the thumbs down to my call for civility and reason.

darladoon said:
he didn’t lie, he slightly misrepresented the study. and, come on, everyone knows that fox news consistently lies and distorts the truth so, to claim that their viewers buy the lies/distortions, is not that far-fetched.

lol, misrepresented, outstanding

darladoon said:
no, that’s the truth.
out of industrialized countries, we’re the dumbest.
foreigners speak more languages.
they take all our engineering/computer/research jobs.
they test better on AMERICAN history than…..americans,etc,etc

And why do you think that is? Who is to blame?

darladoon said:
it wasn’t shown to be incorrect. that source was not “left wing advocacy”. it was pew
research. as for assumptions about who i am, or what i believe, you know nothing.

Please read the portion quoted in the above story:

Meanwhile, particular Fox shows — such as The O’Reilly Factor and Sean Hannity’s show — actually score consistently well, occasionally even outpacing Stewart’s own audience.

So your “research” from the left-wing advocacy group, Think Progress (a group which will distort and skew information to fit it’s purposes, and hope that it’s believers won’t notice… you didn’t) is incorrect. They’re conclusion is wrong.

As for you… that’s incorrect. I’ve read enough of your posts to have a pretty good idea of who you are. Like so many others, you have your opinions firmly planted on one side of the aisle. You’re more likely to take the word of fellow thinkers (and those you’ve put your political trust in), than to think for yourself. You will virtually always side with certain people, against certain other people, and have a low opinion of those who disagree. The story itself is rather irrelevant… only the political players.

And I dare you to show me differently.

Kined said:

That’s a fair point. Although, you’d think that if you’re going to go on television and say something so definitively, you’d have done a little bit more research on said topic. Taking one or two questionable studies as 100% evidence seems a little foolish.

tatboy said:
#1 He lied. Let me help you…

lie:noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
–noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.

#2 Only in the world of the DailyKos and Media Matters. Fox News is as accurate as MSNBC or any other organization. They all make mistakes. Fox News just has more people taking shots at it becouse it is a lone voice in the wilderness. Do you find yourself as upset when MSNBC makes an error?

#3 The PolitiFact article clearly states that Fox news viewers are no less informed than those watching the MSM.

you gotta love the “argument” that fox news is the “lone voice in the wilderness”

nevermind that EVERY news organization, for instance, sold us the brilliance, nay
the unbelievable foresight, that was the afghanistan war and the iraq war.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Skyfet says. Stones first one thrown. Over fence ripples on pond. That is the way I read all your thread inputs. It only appears to make sense to you alone. You can call yourself unique. Hahahahahahaha…………….

From the individual that asserts ‘fact’ before any statement. I thought you’d have grown out of this silliness.

ImNotBlue said:
And why do you think that is? Who is to blame?

Please read the portion quoted in the above story:

So your “research” from the left-wing advocacy group, Think Progress (a group which will distort and skew information to fit it’s purposes, and hope that it’s believers won’t notice… you didn’t) is incorrect. They’re conclusion is wrong.

As for you… that’s incorrect. I’ve read enough of your posts to have a pretty good idea of who you are. Like so many others, you have your opinions firmly planted on one side of the aisle. You’re more likely to take the word of fellow thinkers (and those you’ve put your political trust in), than to think for yourself. You will virtually always side with certain people, against certain other people, and have a low opinion of those who disagree. The story itself is rather irrelevant… only the political players.

And I dare you to show me differently.

that study was NOT from thinkprogress. it was from PEW.

as for your other comments, i have no comment.

tell me something topical.

you gotta love someone who claims that the pew study was wrong,
because it had a different conclusion, but the politifact study was
right, because it had the conclusion they were looking for.

but you REALLY gotta love someone who read NEITHER study in full,
and then claims that, because i linked to the pew study at thinkprogress,
it must be wrong. because thinkprogress linked to it.

but again, this person read neither study.

darladoon said:
that study was NOT from thinkprogress. it was from PEW.

Really? Because your link was to Think Progress… where they did the analysis… incorrectly.

as for your other comments, i have no comment.
tell me something topical.

Yes, please… run away. It’s easier. I understand.

GoneFishing said:
One may occasionally press the ‘Shift’ key while typing in the interest of understanding, punctuation or emphasis; The ‘Caps Lock’ key however is Verboten, and the user of said key instantly looses 25 internetz.

skyfet is still learning the language. culture may be too much for him to handle right now. he has to learn to walk before he can run.

darladoon said:
you gotta love the “argument” that fox news is the “lone voice in the wilderness” nevermind that EVERY news organization, for instance, sold us the brilliance, naythe unbelievable foresight, that was the afghanistan war and the iraq war.

Fox News exposed…
… VanJones, not the MSM.
… Rev Wright, not the MSM.
… I will leave it up the the rest to the commenters to cover the news that Fox News has covered that would have been swept under the rug as I’m not a regular fox news watcher. The MSM still hasn’t picked up on Operation Gunnrunner. That says a lot right there.

Clown nose on!

darladoon said:
you gotta love someone who claims that the pew study was wrong,because it had a different conclusion, but the politifact study was

Your doing the same thing in the other direction… right? Believe one, not the other.

darladoon said:
you gotta love someone who claims that the pew study was wrong,
because it had a different conclusion, but the politifact study was
right, because it had the conclusion they were looking for.

The PolitiFact story wasn’t a study, it was analysis of the study.

but you REALLY gotta love someone who read NEITHER study in full,
and then claims that, because i linked to the pew study at thinkprogress,
it must be wrong. because thinkprogress linked to it.

It’s the analysis, not the study. Which was directly contradicted by a the PolitiFact analysis. And when it comes to TP versus PF, why should I go with the left-wing advocacy group, which has a well stated ax to grind against FNC?

but again, this person read neither study.

Apparently, you’re unfamiliar with what a “study” is.

While trying to tout how informed he and his viewers are, Stewart demonstrates just how misinformed HE actually is.

He just ate up and regurgitated Left Wing talking points, that were wrong. He perfectly demonstrated what goes on daily in the Left vs. Right debate.

ImNotBlue said:
Really? Because your link was to Think Progress… where they did the analysis… incorrectly.

Yes, please… run away. It’s easier. I understand.

no, the pew study is right there, linked to from TP. if you wanna read it,
like i did, by all means, read it before you comment on it.

tatboy said:
Fox News exposed…
… VanJones, not the MSM.
… Rev Wright, not the MSM.
… I will leave it up the the rest to the commenters to cover the news that Fox News has covered that would have been swept under the rug as I’m not a regular fox news watcher. The MSM still hasn’t picked up on Operation Gunnrunner. That says a lot right there.

gee, i wonder why fox news ran the van jones/rev wright stories??

sarainitaly said:
While trying to tout how informed he and his viewers are, Stewart demonstrates just how misinformed HE actually is.

He just ate up and regurgitated Left Wing talking points, that were wrong. He perfectly demonstrated what goes on daily in the Left vs. Right debate.

stewart is misinformed? that’s the first time i’ve ever heard that.

Please have all reporters…oops my mistake, we should not call these people reporters but ( liberal bloggers) Have them read this fact based report. Maybe everyone onair at MSNBC should get facts before they start there shows.

to Mark Joyella you are so full of it, we saw the interview, you are lying

darladoon said:
stewart is misinformed? that’s the first time i’ve ever heard that.

Might that be because you’re misinformed too?

ImNotBlue said:
The PolitiFact story wasn’t a study, it was analysis of the study.

It’s the analysis, not the study. Which was directly contradicted by a the PolitiFact analysis. And when it comes to TP versus PF, why should I go with the left-wing advocacy group, which has a well stated ax to grind against FNC?

Apparently, you’re unfamiliar with what a “study” is.

dude, pew did the study. screw the analysis, read the study.

i don’t care about the “analysis”, i care about pew’s conclusions.

and based on my own experience, as a graduate in communications/media studies,
i can tell you that fox news lies/distorts more than any other news network.

cnn, nbc, cbs and abc are all propaganda arms of the white house.

but fox news is the most transparently right wing, ideologically-driven network in
america. there’s no question about that.

and they’re so egregious in that sense, that it wouldn’t be that far-fetched AT ALL to
argue that fox news viewers are more misinformed than, say, NPR viewers.

in fact, chris wallace admitted in the interview that that’s what fox does….

darladoon said:
no, the pew study is right there, linked to from TP. if you wanna read it,like i did, by all means, read it before you comment on it. gee, i wonder why fox news ran the van jones/rev wright stories??

Because they are news??? Or would going to a white church that was spewing that same crap the other direction not be news to you? It is news whether it is a white hate church OR a black hate church. So the fact that it is only news when the white church does it says a lot about you.

And you REALLY don’t think Obama nominating a 9/11 Truther is news…. REALLY???

OxyCon said:
Might that be because you’re misinformed too?

no, i’m not. i’m well-educated. i read multiple papers/journals/blogs every day.

i’m extremely well-informed.

and i work in media. i’m also in my early 50s, and live in a politically-minded, crowded,
multi-cultural city

tatboy said:
Because they are news??? Or would going to a white church that was spewing that same crap the other direction not be news to you? It is news whether it is a white hate church OR a black hate church. So the fact that it is only news when the white church does it says a lot about you.

And you REALLY don’t think Obama nominating a 9/11 Truther is news…. REALLY???

how did obama attend a “black, hate church”?

did you go to church with obama?

please, enlighten us.

LibertySister said:
Please have all reporters…oops my mistake, we should not call these people reporters but ( liberal bloggers) Have them read this fact based report. Maybe everyone onair at MSNBC should get facts before they start there shows.

oh, i see, *this* report is “fact-based”, but not the pew study from 2 years ago.

that study had a different conclusion, which you don’t like to hear about.

but this one, because politifact and mediaite are linking to it, must be true.

darladoon said:
no, i’m not. i’m well-educated. i read multiple papers/journals/blogs every day. i’m extremely well-informed. and i work in media. i’m also in my early 50s, and live in a politically-minded, crowded,multi-cultural city

darladoon said:
how did obama attend a “black, hate church”? did you go to church with obama? please, enlighten us.

work in the media? lol, and the you ask how did lol

darladoon said:
how did obama attend a “black, hate church”? did you go to church with obama? please, enlighten us.

Did you really miss all those videos? Really? You’re claiming ignorance? Why do you think Obama dropped Wright like a bad habit?

And you failed to address Van Jones 9/11 Trutherism. You don’t think that was news?

Ann Coulter was right , Daraloon is a perfect example .

darladoon said:
stewart is misinformed? that’s the first time i’ve ever heard that.

pay any attention to the title and topic of a thread you post in, do ya?

cjd ohio 1 said:
work in the media? lol, and the you ask how did lol

Tell me about it…..

darladoon said:
no, i’m not. i’m well-educated. i read multiple papers/journals/blogs every day.

i’m extremely well-informed.

and i work in media. i’m also in my early 50s, and live in a politically-minded, crowded,
multi-cultural city

youve been a gay male, a chick, and now you are a 50 something media professional? MPD much?

sarainitaly said:
pay any attention to the title and topic of a thread you post in, do ya?

i pay more attention to the content, not titles and blurbs…..thank you, tho

darladoon said:
no, the pew study is right there, linked to from TP. if you wanna read it,
like i did, by all means, read it before you comment on it.

Ugh. And what do you think of the conclusion they drew, versus the conclusion that PF drew? Why is TP more correct than PF?

gee, i wonder why fox news ran the van jones/rev wright stories??

Why do you think?

And do you think anyone should have run with those stories?

darladoon said:
dude, pew did the study. screw the analysis, read the study.

No, the analysis interprets the results, discusses how they were achieved, and doesn’t simply the assumptions you are.

i don’t care about the “analysis”, i care about pew’s conclusions.

Riiight.

and based on my own experience, as a graduate in communications/media studies,
i can tell you that fox news lies/distorts more than any other news network.

That’s funny… in MY experience as a graduate in commutations and media studies, I can tell you that is wrong, and you have no evidence to support it. It’s your ideological bent which allows you to believe this, without any real tangible evidence.

Just admit it… you dislike them because they disagree with you politically. You’re a partisan, and dislike competing opinions. Who do you think you’re fooling?

cnn, nbc, cbs and abc are all propaganda arms of the white house.

but fox news is the most transparently right wing, ideologically-driven network in
america. there’s no question about that.

So you’re okay with all the other networks repeating left-wing talking points from the White House, but FNC is somehow worse because they’re not? Isn’t that what I’ve been telling you? You don’t mind the others being tools of the left… it’s the (alleged) “tool of the right” that you have a problem with, because it disagrees with you. How are you still not seeing this?

and they’re so egregious in that sense, that it wouldn’t be that far-fetched AT ALL to
argue that fox news viewers are more misinformed than, say, NPR viewers.

Right… because you disagree with what they have to say, therefore they’re “misinformed.” Because anyone who disagrees with you couldn’t be doing so because they believe something different, or because they have a different opinion… but it must be because they’re “wrong” and just don’t know what you know. It’s a very arrogant opinion you have… but hardly surprising.

in fact, chris wallace admitted in the interview that that’s what fox does….

Well, no he didn’t. FNC covers stories that a lot of the other networks would rather just ignore. They get ignored because the networks operate on such a high level of “group think” and are so ideologically similar, that they don’t recognize that there are people who live outside their East-Coast/West-Coast bubble. FNC works to give the people in “the middle” a voice, and cover stories that the coasts would otherwise ignore. And that’s what Wallace was saying.

darladoon said:
no, i’m not. i’m well-educated. i read multiple papers/journals/blogs every day.

i’m extremely well-informed.

and i work in media. i’m also in my early 50s, and live in a politically-minded, crowded,
multi-cultural city

And let me guess… you come into contact with exactly… oh, let’s be generous… 0 people… who disagree with you.

So, Politifact wants to use Jon Stewart as a marketing springboard. That’s the definition of cynical, or perhaps of douchebaggery.

darladoon said:
you gotta love someone who claims that the pew study was wrong,
because it had a different conclusion, but the politifact study was
right, because it had the conclusion they were looking for.

but you REALLY gotta love someone who read NEITHER study in full,
and then claims that, because i linked to the pew study at thinkprogress,
it must be wrong. because thinkprogress linked to it.

but again, this person read neither study.

Stewart spread misinformation that FOX viewers are misinformed, because he was misinformed by a *study*.

http://tinyurl.com/5tczpt8

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=19990

http://tinyurl.com/6ycxugt

ImNotBlue said:
And let me guess… you come into contact with exactly… oh, let’s be generous… 0 people… who disagree with you.

yes

and as for you other long-winded rant, the major news networks don’t repeat “liberal”
talking points EVER.

the white house, fyi, is not “liberal” ok?

the white house is far from f*cking “liberal”

the major news networks repeat talking points from EVERY white house, no matter
who is inside of it.

that’s why they are not “liberal” news operations.

we haven’t had a “liberal” in the white house in over 30 years

Politifact is right.
Fixed News news are not the most consistently misinformed.

They usually don’t even know what the hell we’re talking about because they were being sponged by the nurse or taking a nap .

I meant Fixed News viewers

darladoon said:
i pay more attention to the content, not titles and blurbs…..thank you, tho

Might that be because you’re misinformed too? lulz

GuessWhoSuka said:
Politifact is right.
Fixed News news are not the most consistently misinformed.

They usually don’t even know what the hell we’re talking about because they were being sponged by the nurse or taking a nap .

bingo!

boy, people really seemed to forget how instrumental fox news is/was under
bush’s tenure.

and now, they are even more powerful, because all they do, all the time,
is “tell the other side of the story” (which means, any story that isn’t “liberal”)

and, if mediaite really wants to run a politifact story about misinformation, why
don’t they link to all the false comments that fox news makes on a regular basis?

rather than this one, single john stewart claim?

darladoon said:
i pay more attention to the content, not titles and blurbs…..thank you, tho

well you apparently didn’t pay attention to anything. The whole post is about Stewart spreading misinformation because he himself was misinformed.

Maybe next time you should take a minute and pay attention to what you are actually arguing about….

sarainitaly said:
well you apparently didn’t pay attention to anything. The whole post is about Stewart spreading misinformation because he himself was misinformed.

Maybe next time you should take a minute and pay attention to what you are actually arguing about….

you obviously haven’t been following the comments thread…..

darladoon said:
and based on my own experience, as a graduate in communications/media studies,
i can tell you that fox news lies/distorts more than any other news network.

Shorter: BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!

darladoon said:
yes

Well, as long as you recognize that you are a victim of group think, and non-ideological diversity. You expect agreement 100% of the time, because that’s what you’ve become accustomed to. It’s why you hate FNC so much… they’re the ones who don’t give you that 100% of the time.

and as for you other long-winded rant, the major news networks don’t repeat “liberal”
talking points EVER.

Riiight.

the white house, fyi, is not “liberal” ok?
the white house is far from f*cking “liberal”

What you really mean is: Not liberal enough. They ARE liberal… you’re just farther out on the spectrum, so they’re not YOU’RE type of liberal.

the major news networks repeat talking points from EVERY white house, no matter
who is inside of it.

Well, that’s not true.

that’s why they are not “liberal” news operations.

What do you think of MSNBC? Are they also not “liberal?” Who is your definition of “liberal?”

darladoon said:
bingo!

You do realize that FNC has more younger viewers, than the other networks as well… right?

And as someone over 50, do you really want to start complaining about “older” folks?

darladoon said:
and, if mediaite really wants to run a politifact story about misinformation, why
don’t they link to all the false comments that fox news makes on a regular basis?

rather than this one, single john stewart claim?

you are insane. do you ever READ anything on this site?

“The analysis is worth a read, and broken down in significant detail, but the conclusion is this: Fox viewers may not be the best informed, but they aren’t the most misinformed:..”

I think Politicfact has been leaning right in the past year. From looking at the Chart/list for News has the lowest scores across the board than any other news media outlet. For example, the 2007 poll can be read as:

65% of Fox Viewers were NOT “hightly, moderately or low LEVEL” informed viewers. That is a clear indication that 65 percent of them are dumb. Politicfact can’t hide that fact from the very poll they attempted to twist.

ImNotBlue said:
That’s a fair point. Although, you’d think that if you’re going to go on television and say something so definitively, you’d have done a little bit more research on said topic. Taking one or two questionable studies as 100% evidence seems a little foolish.

Not going to disagree there.

“Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions….”

By the way that line was hidden in the PIPA 2008 poll. Seems Stewart was correct so what is politicfacts point!

JS should stick to comedy then all his comments can be taken for the joke that they are.

darladoon said:
and, if mediaite really wants to run a politifact story about misinformation, whydon’t they link to all the false comments that fox news makes on a regular basis? rather than this one, single john stewart claim?

The University of Maryland’s study shows that most FOX views have a distorted view of the truth from what they have learned by watching FOX. I still haven’t been able to convince a friend of mine that Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
This is the type of uneducated crap that FOX puts out for their “believers”. The edited tapes of ACORN, Shirley Sherrod etc are also among the lies that FOX has put out for their viewers. It is unfortunate they call themselves a “News” station but fail to report accurate news for their viewers.

Jon Stewart Falsely Claims Chris Wallace Said Fox Doesn’t Tell Both Sides of the Story

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/06/21/jon-stewart-falsely-claims-chris-wallace-said-fox-doesnt-tell-both-si#ixzz1PwCqvpWg

The liberal media continues to prove Wallace correct with their lies. Keep it up!!

Let’s summarize, going in the order the surveys were presented by PolitiFact:

February 2007 Political Knowledge Survey (Pew): 23 questions. the high knowledge group included people who watch or read The Daily Show, the News Hour on PBS, the O’Reilly Factor, NPR, and the Rush Limbaugh Show. FNC viewers were in the low-knowledge group with the network evening news shows and the network morning shows. FNC viewers got 35% of the answers correct, which was the national average for everyone surveyed.

April 2008 Media Survey (Pew): only 3 questions. Again, FNC viewers ranked exactly in the middle, but higher than the network evening and morning news shows.

June 2010 Media Consumption Survey (Pew): only 4 questions. Only 20% of FNC viewers got all four right. But FNC viewers beat the network news watchers, and it beat CNN and MSNBC viewers. People who watched the Glenn Beck Show did better than those who watched The Daily Show.

Misinformation and the 2010 Election, 2010 (World Public Opinion Inc): 10 questions. The controversy over this survey is mainly based on what are considered right and wrong answers. For example, did the stimulus bill created or save two million jobs, or a few jobs, or no jobs at all? Some experts said one thing, some experts said another. But only those respondents who agreed with the first choice were credited with being “well informed”.

Another question: do you think the American economy has begun to recover? Those who answered “No” were described as “uninformed”.

The other main criticism of the World Public Opinion survey is that it was conducted online. This may or may not be important. In the past I’ve criticized this technique, but maybe certain safeguards were in place to create a valid polling sample.

However, I would like to point out that in the WPO survey, a close analysis showed that only one news outlet seemed to actually influence the way its viewer thought about the issues. That news outlet was MSNBC. The people who watched other TV networks, or got their news from radio or newspapers or websites, did not seem much affected by what they thought about the various issues. As this pertains to FNC, the viewers are not affected one way or the other by the opinions they hear being expressed. Their opinions are already made up, mostly, before they turn on FNC or the other news sources — all except MSNBC, which does seem to change viewers’ minds.

darladoon said:
based on my own experience, as a graduate in communications/media studies,
i can tell you that fox news lies/distorts more than any other news network.
(snip)
i’m well-educated. i read multiple papers/journals/blogs every day.

i’m extremely well-informed.

and i work in media. i’m also in my early 50s, and live in a politically-minded, crowded,
multi-cultural city

At one time “Communications and Media Studies” was called journalism school, or just j-school. Then they dumbed it down and got rid of all the silly rules about journalism being impartial and unbiased.

Let me ask this: were there any conservatives in your graduating class? Do you know any conservatives? If you discovered that your friend was a conservative, would you remove him from your list of friends?

Lastly, are you aware that “Red Eye”, a late-night comedy show on Fox, has actually presented a great many animated shorts featuring you as one of the main characters?

I didn’t need politifact to know Stewart was being an idiot, but it’s nice to see he can’t escape the truth.

The liberal lies!!!

I have no doubt that FOX viewers not only are more well informed about current events, they are more knowledgable on history and economics, effectively, on being a grown up.

Anecdotal evidence, from my surfing Mediaite supports this assertion. The Socialists make bitter emotional pronouncements hoping they are not questioned about the veracity of said pronouncements. When the proverbial wall of truth is finally met, the Socialists grumble about what racists Conservatives are and its George Bush’s fault, Yes, it is usually that simple. The Socialists just call me aname or deny my assertion without support.

The Conservatives, are consistently reasoned, factual and logical and actually seem to enjoy disseminating truth as opposed to the usual nonsense available.

Simply put, Jon Stewart’s audience do not understand the need to pay off the debt, balance the budget, etc. Conservative’s understand the need to get America’s finances in order. Is it ignorance, narcissism, social blindness or lack of Nationalism? You make the call.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Jon Stewart Falsely Claims Chris Wallace Said Fox Doesn’t Tell Both Sides of the Story

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/06/21/jon-stewart-falsely-claims-chris-wallace-said-fox-doesnt-tell-both-si#ixzz1PwCqvpWg

The liberal media continues to prove Wallace correct with their lies. Keep it up!!

Ridiculous, Stewart said that Wallace admitted to Fox giving the “other side” of the story based on the premise that the MSM only gives the liberal POV. That sounded so bad, FNC cut it out from the aired interview. If it didn’t look too bad, they would have aired it on the show.

Gasket said:
Ridiculous, Stewart said that Wallace admitted to Fox giving the “other side” of the story based on the premise that the MSM only gives the liberal POV. That sounded so bad, FNC cut it out from the aired interview. If it didn’t look too bad, they would have aired it on the show.

Wrong. Wallace said they were a would provide the other side of the story as a counterbalance to media institutions that presented stories only accompanied by their liberal bias.

If you can’t see the difference, you’re probably a progressive.

purveyor says:

Purveyor my honorable adversary I am insulted:)

My misinformation, tells me that your misinformation, is misinformed.

darladoon said:
dude, pew did the study. screw the analysis, read the study. i don’t care about the “analysis”, i care about pew’s conclusions. and based on my own experience, as a graduate in communications/media studies,i can tell you that fox news lies/distorts more than any other news network. cnn, nbc, cbs and abc are all propaganda arms of the white house. but fox news is the most transparently right wing, ideologically-driven network inamerica. there’s no question about that. and they’re so egregious in that sense, that it wouldn’t be that far-fetched AT ALL toargue that fox news viewers are more misinformed than, say, NPR viewers. in fact, chris wallace admitted in the interview that that’s what fox does….

LOL darladoon is a communications grad, so he must know more than politifact right?

I love how ‘pulitzer prize’ winning Politfact’s formerly prestine reputation is now in question because it came to a well documented, reasonable conclusion that liberals didnt like.

INSIDEGUY:

Unfortunately, mi Amigo, there will be times that each of us receive, um, er, “overspray,” while we surf cyberspace. After all, I have have read a few of your Posts to Conservatives, but, not necessarily meant for me. It was as if you sneezed without covering.

Gesundheit! LOL

“I’m just a comedian. Who cares about facts!” (Stewart)

Well thank you purveyor from a man such as yourself I take that as a great compliment:) I look forward to locking horns once again soon!

Surveys and polls are great especially when they agree with one’s biases and prejudices. The realty is that no one who watches any cable or network news is well informed. It’s an impossibility. FOX may not be the worst, but because of its large audience is probably doing more to dumb down America than any other media vehicle. However, there may be hope for FOX. They got rid of Beck because he really was sullying whatever positive reputation FOX has, and the recent Stewart/Wallace interview was really quite informative and intelligent despite Fox’s doctoring it up. Also, Rupert Murdoch likes winners. In Britain, the extensive Murdoch owned media switched briefly from the Conservatives to Labour which certainly helped elect Blair. A lot of people may be dissatisfied with Obama, but there doesn’t seem to be much of an alternative as the rightwing doesn’t have a clue to what’s going on and Obama, contrary to rightwing opinion, does have a brain and, according to a current Mediaite story, does know how to calm down crying babies.

ganymede said:
no one who watches any cable or network news is well informed.

Sir, may I ask where you urge the ignorant and unclean masses go for information (news) Newspapers? Magazines? Books?

Also, just out of curiosity, where do you get your information?

INSIDEGUY

I had a terrible experience last night with two regular Surfers!

One of them managed to HACK the machine in some way, so as to fake messages as if they were from me.

I have reported him to Mediaite. I don’t know how he did it, but he even managed to insert fake statements into my quote!

I am upset, wouldn’t you be? Wow

ganymede said:
The realty is that no one who watches any cable or network news is well informed. It’s an impossibility. FOX may not be the worst, but because of its large audience is probably doing more to dumb down America than any other media vehicle

You started out on the right track, then quickly veered into the weeds.

The correct conclusion from reviewing all those surveys is that FNC viewers are exactly in the middle of all Americans in the samples. There are people who get their news from NPR and the WSJ who are better informed, and people who get their news from the network evening news and network morning shows who are worse informed; but Fox News Channel viewers are in the middle.

Perhaps that is where they want to be. Perhaps they see no benefit in knowing the names of all the congressional leadership in each party, or the names of all the Supreme Court justices.

One conclusion that is easy to reach — they are the ones who got tired of having their intelligences insulted by NBC, CBS, and ABC. And they trust the news they get from FNC, even if they are being entertained and not really informed by what they see on FNC.

All of them have room to improve, but FNC is the only one that might be in a position to do that. They are shuffling the deck chairs over at the network news departments. CNN… I don’t know, it could be ready to make some important changes. But I hear FNC might expand Bret Baier’s Special Report to two hours, which makes a lot of sense. Can they fill that time with solid news? I think so.

What would be great, I think, is a 10-minute live newscast at the beginning of every hour, 24/7. Or 20 minutes of news, weather and sports, followed by 40 minutes of the stuff they already do.

Pablo said:
Shorter: BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!

Shorter still: ipse dixit.

J Baustian said:
You started out on the right track, then quickly veered into the weeds.

J BAUSTIAN’

Well said. Nice to make your acquaintance.

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

darladoon said:
(B)based on my own experience, as a graduate in communications/media studies,
i can tell you that . . . cnn, nbc, cbs and abc are all propaganda arms of the white house.

That much you got right. Congrats on that B.A.

ganymede said:
Surveys and polls are great especially when they agree with one’s biases and prejudices.

The realty is that no one who watches any cable or network news is well informed. It’s an impossibility.

A person is as informed to the level he puts in the effort. Whether or not he watches cable or network news has no bearing on this.

FOX may not be the worst, but because of its large audience is probably doing more to dumb down America than any other media vehicle.

Failed leftist education initiatives, policies and lesson plans have already seen to that.

However, there may be hope for FOX. They got rid of Beck because he really was sullying whatever positive reputation FOX has,. . .

Fox didn’t get rid of Beck, he didn’t renew the contract, as has been reported many times, and will still be associated with the network after his show ends. Your supposition cannot be backed up by any source.

. . .and the recent Stewart/Wallace interview was really quite informative and intelligent. . .

It wasn’t so much intelligent and informative as it was a rehash of Stewart’s past narrative. If you want to be informed, watch an interview with the Defense Secretary or something.

. . .despite Fox’s doctoring it up.

Fox doctored nothing up.

Also, Rupert Murdoch likes winners. In Britain, the extensive Murdoch owned media switched briefly from the Conservatives to Labour which certainly helped elect Blair.

Murdoch’s was for Hilary Clinton in 2008. His personal opinions don’t permeate his network’s coverage, at least here where it matters. Such is why his network is a consistent winner.

A lot of people may be dissatisfied with Obama, but there doesn’t seem to be much of an alternative as the rightwing doesn’t have a clue to what’s going on. . .

The Republicans have a dozen alternatives, any of which will be able to beat Obama. You are delusional if you think “dissatisfied” is the correct word to describe how people perceive Obama’s handled his presidency.

. . .and Obama, contrary to rightwing opinion, does have a brain. . .

He has somewhat short of 3 pounds of gray matter, but he doesn’t know what to do with it. His socialist central planning efforts to fix the economy have failed, as do all socialist central planning economic plans, much to the chagrin, but never the education, of leftist fans of socialist central planning.

. . .and, according to a current Mediaite story, does know how to calm down crying babies.

That fandom video is a non-sequitur to everything but your love for a staggeringly failed president.

Congradulations, practically every sentence you wrote that wasn’t partisan narrative was wrong. As to that education system you gifted us, thanks for nothing.

Hey Mark. I hoped you watched Stewart tonight.. bamm, right at you.

JBAUSTIAN,

Curiously, you did not receive many Thumbs up or downs. (You also PALEO) Its frustrating as I know you both put much time and thought into your Posts. A one liner ,or, one or two sentences doesn’t cover the issue.

Anyway, there is knowledge to be acquired in here, I just wish more would avail themselves of such.

BAUSTIAN, That was an exceptional Post tonight. Thank you.

Its okay guyz he’s just a comedian.

purveyor said:
JBAUSTIAN,

Curiously, you did not receive many Thumbs up or downs. (You also PALEO) Its frustrating as I know you both put much time and thought into your Posts. A one liner ,or, one or two sentences doesn’t cover the issue.

Anyway, there is knowledge to be acquired in here, I just wish more would avail themselves of such.

BAUSTIAN, That was an exceptional Post tonight. Thank you.

I like tho think longer posts around here are read by those with the patience and willingness to discern a point, even if they don’t respond (and may not vote either way if they both agree and disagree with different parts of a post). Those who don’t are unlikely to be persuaded by any argument anyway. One benifit, though, is that those whose only purpose on this site is to distract and post trolling insults generally don’t bother getting into it with the more detailed posters.

Fox is not news; Fox is a propaganda channel misinforming their viewers. First and foremost among the liars there is the ignorance genius of reactionary propaganda, Glenn Beck.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2011/04/glenn-beck-is-genius-of-reactionary.html

Fox hiring Beck is understandable. Fox allowing that lying clown to deceive millions and constantly promote Glenn Beck is proof that Fox is not about news or commentary. Reactionaries love hearing what they want to believe, but Fox in fact is promoting the collapse of Western Civilization by supporting the unsustainable status quo of the fossil fuel industrial order.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-of-denial-20110622?page=1

I love how they’re comparing FN to a comedy show.

“Occasionally even outpacing Stewart’s own audience…” Occasionally?? Shouldn’t they have better informed viewers all the time? What next? Are you gonna compare FN viewers to SpongeBob viewers? Shouldn’t you raise the bar a little polifact??

I guess mentioning the fact that Stewart acknowledge that he was wrong about them being the worst informed and apologized would make you a douche for making Politifact verify it.

A later study however found that Fox viewers are less informed than people who don’t watch news at all.

So don’t start bragging yet, Einstein.

“Finally, the 34-to-39 percent group included the network evening news shows; online news discussion blogs; Fox News Channel; local television news; and the network morning shows.”

Do you not see “Fox News Channel” listed there under the most misinformed? Are you blind??

“19 percent of Fox viewers scored in the high knowledge category”
Compared with 50-54% for Jon Stewart”

Is there some problem you have with this obvious low number??

Dang – Fox News people are allergic to facts!