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Rachel Maddow Dissects ‘Tanking’ Rick Perry’s Campaign Problems

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As MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow sees it, Governor Rick Perry has a bit of a “campaign problem:” The man is bad at debates. Currently, a NYT/CBS News survey has him polling at 6 percent among the GOP candidates.

But, she says, he has a comeback plan:

RELATED: Laura Ingraham To O’Reilly: ‘No One More Surprised By Cain’s Success Than Cain Himself’

1. Obtain new staffers from among the GOP establishment.

2. Develop a “Herman Cain-esque” flat tax plan.

3. Play to the birthers.

4. Go on the offense against the whole idea of debating. (As you might remember, he recently told Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly that these debates are designed to “tear down” candidates.)

5. Using what he does have in his favor — financial support — to pump out more ads. This works in Perry’s favor because political ads allow a candidate to have more control over his image and talking points than he would in, say, a televised debate.

6. Talk up job creation. Maddow noted that Perry’s pledge to create 2.5 million jobs in the U.S. is actually underwhelming given that, over the last year and a half under Barack Obama, the economy has actually added 2.1 million jobs, and is expected to reach 2.5 million by year’s end.
6.a. Talk up drilling. (And pledge to dismantle the EPA.) Maddow, for one, sees Perry’s jobs plan as an “oil executive’s letter to Santa.” She referenced a New York Times article stating that many of Perry’s proposals appear to be “very similar to — if not drawn from — an industry-financed study that was endorsed last month by the American Petroleum Institute.”

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  • Rufus Danegro

    Madow against Perry is like taking candy away from a big baby.

    Romney should just play this clip as a campaign ad-of course he should lie and say it was Obama’s idea!

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    The whole idea that Perry is going to duck the debates is so lame I can’t believe his staff is seriously considering it. If you want to present yourself as a tough-talking, no apologies cowboy, how do you admit that you’re too weak to hold your own with Michelle Bachmann or Mitt Romney? It’s just embarrassing.

    Obama would make mincemeat of this lone star hick if they ever met on a debate stage. 

  • Rufus Danegro

    mincemeat is being kind.

  • Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    What state do you live in? I’d really like to know.

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    I will miss Rick when he is gone… But we will always have the digital record of what transpired… From his fumbled words to stallions thundering across the sands… Rick will always be with us if we let him.

  • Anonymous

    That was a very nervous laugh there, WC. 

  • Anonymous

    I do love all the liberals commenting tonight. I find it quite hilarious.

    Carry on folks. Back to Desperate Housewives. :)

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    I may be wrong, but it seems fairly certain that our President will make short work of the eventual victor in this misfit marathon on the right. I will try not to take great joy… But doubt I will be able to help it. The late night bike ride to Grant Park is wonderful in November.

  • Anonymous

    I fear nothing about 2012.

    I enjoy the fits of rage that the Left goes through thinking that the Right is shaking in their boots.

  • Anonymous

    Watching Rachel or anyone on MSNBC discuss anything conservative/republican is a joke; MSNBC hates all things conservative/republican.Rachel’s looks like the fool she is; she should just give it up and state openly…

    “I am a paid operative for hehimselftheone, he is my leader and I will do anything and everything he asks…he is my god and I love and adore and admire him…I will lie to the public, I will cheat the public from the truth…I will jump as high as he tells me to becuas ehe is the bestest thing since sliced bread…he is my god and I will kiss his ass day in and day out.

    MSNBC stinks to high heaven..

  • Rufus Danegro

    Good Riddance!

    ;-)

  • Rufus Danegro

    Much like her Sarah Palin running an awesome campaign prediction you can bet your bottom dollar this woman has no clue what she is talking about. 

    She also enjoyed the fits of rage that left had against the awesome campaign Sarah planned to run.

    NUFF SAID.

  • Anonymous

    Yet you are here commenting about her. Sigh.

  • Kaplansky

    Does Rachel’s penis grow when she sees little illegal banditos directing traffic on road construction crews?

  • Anonymous

    As always with Rachel, she uses incorrect data to prove her point.

    Obama did NOT create 2.1 million jobs.  The CBO score was an estimate before the jobs bill passed.

    Here is Douglas Elmedorf, director of the CBO, who just yesterday said at a committee on deficit reduction that it’s “imposable to prove” stimulus created any jobs:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/27/cbo_agrees_with_sen_toomey_impossible_to_prove_stimulus_created_jobs.html

    Yet, there’s Rachel knowingly using false jobs numbers. This is why people don’t watch MSNBC.

  • Anonymous

    First of all how can the Republicans “hold” the Senate if they don’t have it now? 

    Secondly, if you think the Republicans are well-positioned for 2012, you’ve got your head in a place where the sun don’t shine. Consider your options:

    * Romney has flat-lined at 25%. There’s absolutely no enthusiasm for him in the party and his reputation as a flip-flopper is a huge problem because no one trusts him not to be the thing he either claims to be now or used to be then. Plus, he reminds everyone of a slick corporate consultant who comes in to fire your ass. That’s not gonna play very well.   

    * Perry would be an incredibly weak candidate. He came out strong, but the minute people got a look at him he collapsed like a cheap camera. He’s a Texan good ol’ boy and we did that for eight years, to the nation’s everlasting regret. 

    * Cain’s 999 plan has been ridiculed by virtually every economist from left to right who’s seen it. He’s gaffe-prone, thinks his lack of knowledge about foreign affairs is an asset and former members of his campaign staff say his management skills are atrocious.

    * Michelle Bachmann. Nuff said.

    * Santorum hasn’t broken past 2 or 3 percent in the polls. If he hasn’t done it yet, he’s not going to. 

    * Gingrich? Get real. 

    * Huntsman is too smart for this crowd because he doesn’t pander to their need for bible banging and hating on science. 

    No matter how weak you think Obama may be, this field is dog poop any way you slice it.

  • Anonymous

    Now go smack some people around in the Hannity thread. :)

  • Anonymous

    You’re credibility has gone down the tubes.  It’s best to stay on the sidelines and wait until someone calls your number.  

  • Rufus Danegro

    Desperate housewives is calling you. 

  • Anonymous

    Enjoy it! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/miraclelurker?v=wall Ellen Carey Rowe

    Rachel Maddow is clearly the best journolist in America today . It’s obvious from your post that your only problem with her is that she is a lesbian .

    This is 2012 turk281 . Grow up .

  • Anonymous

    We know you hate her, but how about responding to her points? Or are you just here for a good mindless spew? 

  • Anonymous

    Does your ever brain appear when you put your fingers to the keyboard and make obnoxious, off-topic remarks? 

  • http://gregingleright.weebly.com/ Greg

    He was conceding a philosophical (counterfactual) point.  

    Consider the following data…
    “Republicans constantly remind us that the Obama stimulus–the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009–did not work. They voted against it. In the United Kingdom the government is led by Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron. His government did not adopt stimulus. Instead it boldly enacted an economic program that cut spending and raised taxes. The chart below shows the results and compares it to the U.S. experience. After three and a half years, U.S. GDP is just about returning to the pre-recession peak. That’s awful. But it s far better than the U.K. where GDP is still five percent ($750 billion in US terms) below its pre-recession peak.”
    http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/MSUN-8MXFSY?OpenDocument

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for analyzing the candidates. I am ABO.

    Ok – we will not hold the Senate, we will overtake the Senate. My apologies.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry. Next year my focus will not be on the election cycle. It will be on my future schooling. :)

  • Anonymous

    I’m a libertarian, Ellen.  I’m also pro gay rights, and a woman’s right to choose.

    Maybe try not to look at politics through the prism of emotion.  Use your critical thinking skills.  If Maddow is correct in her politics, then she shouldn’t have to mislead her viewers.

  • Anonymous

    Turk is a libertarian.

    Don’t mess with him.

    Just sayin’

  • occupy the GOP

    how dare a scott walker drone ask someone what state they live in? 

  • occupy the GOP

    you’re fine with an ineffective presidency? who are you, mitch mcconnell? and republicans have the gall to attack dems for being ‘unpatriotic’.

    an ineffective presidency hurts everyone, dumbass.

  • occupy the GOP

    by the way, which of the republican candidates do you support? who, of this incapable field of candidates, do you think has a shot at defeating obama in the GE?

  • Rufus Danegro

    Wow turk-you put up with WCinWI? And I thought you were my blaxplotation bud. Now I gotta rethink our relationship!

    ;-)

  • occupy the GOP

    this is why politics have become so partisan – differing ‘facts’.

    “The truth is that the stimulus increased employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million people, compared with what employment would have been otherwise. That’s according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.”

    http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Maaan.  I’m still your blaxploitation buddy.

    WCinWI is awesome and also one of the most civil commenters on the board!

  • Anonymous

    Only when the President chooses to be ineffective as he has the past three years.

    Keep up.

  • occupy the GOP

    as always with turk, he utilizes right-leaning websites to support his distortions and obvious disdain for an educated lesbian.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry about it. :)

  • Anonymous

    Scott Walker has saved our state more than $400,000,000. Good call.

  • Kaplansky

    You mean appear like the tiny bulge in your tighties brought on by arguing with people who you don’t know. You & Mr Maddow are so angry. Your mustache is no-good for pearl jam

  • Anonymous

    OccupytheGop, The link that I provided is the HEAD of the CBO, who factcheck sites as their proof, saying at a joint committee yesterday that it’s “imposable to prove” stimulus created any jobs.

    The factcheck is from 2010 and the hearing was from yesterday!

  • Rufus Danegro

    I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree on WCinWi!

    But you? You’re alright!

    The world needs libertarians! Rock on and Rock strong!

  • occupy the GOP

    omg you’re stupid. in the process of ‘saving’ your state money, here’s what else he’s done:

    -cut public education funding by 1.5 billion
    -gave 200 million in new tax loopholes to corporations
    -signed a voter ID bill which disenfranchises the poor, elderly, and students
    -weakened child labor laws
    -hired a donor’s son for an 80k/year job w/ no degree

    i can go on…i’m holding back because i’m sure this is falling on deaf ears.

    stop being so blind to party politics. scott walker is terrible and will be recalled.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, so that’s all Rachel is to you, a lesbian? 

    So if I disagree with her, I don’t like lesbians, huh?

    Looks like you’re the one who judges people on identity.  Look into diversity classes at you local community college.

  • occupy the GOP

    ok i was willing to ignore it the first time because we all make mistakes but your alleged quote -  ”imposable to prove”, holds zero credibility when it’s misspelled. this isn’t a typo, it’s blatantly incorrect and thus your argument holds no weight whatsoever.

    regardless of my facts dating back to 2010, they are still accurate, whereas yours aren’t.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    Well sir … among many, many other highly electable star assets, a number of whom are Hispanic (particularly important in these post-Rubio times), there’s Sherrod Brown in Ohio, there’s Cory Booker in New Jersey, there’s the several smart cookies tied into OWS as well (Van Jones for one), there’s always Hillary (& Joe Biden, who I doubt is at all serious), the list is huge and growing and pointless to discuss until about, oh, 2014. Also, my personal favorite, Al Franken. President Al Franken. I love the sound of that. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMHWE4GFMVW5VQD53XFLCGYBO4 Ishmael_137

    Rachel Maddow was at her harridan best on “tanking Rick Perry,” but saying the phrase over and over, shrilly running it into the ground until she sounded like a broken record (or brainless parrot) was no way to get her point across. I switched channels after about the ninth time she blarfed; her regular hardcore audience probably enjoyed it more than a YouTube drunk-on-drunk brawl, but anyone tuning in for information, and finding only a cacophonous harpy kicking a guy while he’s down, probably also turned away from the display of anti-American venom.

  • Anonymous

    WI just beefed up Charter school education. Throwing away money on public school education isn’t effective money policy. Period.
    No, Walker corrected the wrong tax increases that the previous Governor set in place. IL had to increase their tax burden. WI didn’t have to increase property taxes.
    I like Voter ID laws. It was just discovered that an Occupy Milwaukee person and two others “allegedly” voted illegally in the last election. They lived in a hotel. As I said, Voter ID is crucial.
    So is the Donor’s son not good at his job? I don’t mind if a candidate gives a few people in an administration a job. That’s not pay to play for me.

    Recent polling disagrees, plus it’s also rumored that the Obama administration talked to local Dems. and said that it would be wasted money to throw at a race that they will more than likely lose. Plus, the Dems. have no one in close contention to even run against Walker.

    Any more talking points?

  • Rex the Wonder God

    You did fine on the White House, but a little more on Congress …

    Firstly, Pelosi is there because she wants the hammer back & she’s got a great chance to do just that. The GOP is thinking it’s causing lightning in a bottle with their TP Caucus, but that’s now polluted the entire Republican side. This one is actually easier to call than the presidency: Dems take it back.

    The Senate tho is trickier. There are seats that are contestable and seats that are not, and with the staggered way those seats come up for election, having seen two elections in a row where the Dems had the advantage (2006 and 2010), just the opposite happened in 2010 and the same applies to 2012. That is, more of the real contests are for seats the Dems already hold, so pretty much the best the Dems can do it hold serve. They could actually lose control of the Senate agenda, even while doing fine in the elections; it’s that skewed this year.

    And that is a real problem, but the really big problem is the Senate itself, as the most dysfunctional component of all the components in the 3 branches of government, which obviously is saying something pretty damning. 

    Now, it would be nice to see some sort of ‘message’ being made about the Senate results, but the only one that will get made will be the one the Republican machine contrives, because the Senate is the one biggest hope for them to continue their program of allowing Wall Street and Big Corporation America to continue turning this place into a feudal state; it’s already a banana republic.

  • Anonymous

    I have a low tolerance for people who are too ignorant to know that women don’t have penises. 

  • Anonymous

    Ooops.  I misspelled impossible.  Sorry. 

    I guess that negates the fact that the CBO scores on key assumptions
    about the way the economy works and doesn’t measure actual data.  As the head of the CBO himself says.

    And the video of him saying that it’s impossible to prove the numbers of jobs the stimulus created doesn’t count, because of my poor spelling.

    When you deny facts because they don’t match up with your worldview, that becomes a problem.  That’s denial.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    That first part is true; actually your whole comment is; but tho he’s not doing analysis just yell leading, which of course is a peculiarly Republican talent, his guess isn’t hopeless at all. They might take the Senate. That’s ALL they might take, but even a return to a 2006-2008 ‘change’ environment is going to be tough on the Dems in the Senate. It’s just a matter of how the numbers happen to fall for which seats are up for election, and those numbers make the Dems a lot more vulnerable.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    Soon to be one term wonder Scott Walker. To be followed in the same year by one term wonder Scott Brown. 2012 is going to be a bitch for the Scotts.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    Who was it yesterday who came out and said it: Dumbass. Now Jim Hightower is saying it. The question is whether Rs so dislike Romney, they’re prepared to nominate a dumbass Not-Romney. So far, doesn’t look like they are. Congratulations Rs: you got yourself Flopsie Mittens and his vulture capitalism career and his Obomneycaring record. Wear it well.

    I am SO looking forward to when Pastor Rick hosts the megachurch interview and finds once again the position of the Dem easier to support.

  • occupy the GOP

    these aren’t talking points, they’re facts that narrow minded wisconsinites choose to ignore. i told i could go on, so here goes:

    -he spoke with ‘david koch’ about inciting riots during the collective bargaining protests
    -cut state aid to technical colleges by 30%
    -phased out programs to help low-income students attend college
    -he tweets about his haircut while over 100k protest in madison
    -signed a bill prohibiting ordinances that guarantee sick leave

    there’s so much more. keep defending this douchebag, and i’ll keep up with the facts. your stupidity knows no bounds.

  • Your Mama’s so fat

    You’ll get to make a victory lap there next November, but I may be wrong too.(though I don’t think so)

  • occupy the GOP

    it’s funny how you use quotes to prove a ‘fact’, however it’s evidently not from the source you claim. something tells me you like to quote people all by yourself, thereby attributing the words to trurk281, and not who you originally claim.

    your partisanship fits YOUR narrative.

  • occupy the GOP

    no, because you disagree with her, you’re no better than the rest of your republican dimwits. she’s hated on by the right-wing for no other reason than she owns all of you in any intellectual debate (and she happens to be a lesbian).

    your attempt to disprove her fell flat. try again. you can resort to hateful rhetoric but that would be way too easy for libs to attack you on. i just beat you to the punch. 

  • Anonymous

    Your concern is noted.

  • Anonymous

    That comment is why nobody takes the far left seriously.

    When you’re called out on your “facts” – and in this case by the very CBO you use to make your point, you resort to childish name calling.

    #Occupy some critical thinking abilities.
     

  • fyonalon

    I’m trying to make sense of fits of rage at the thought of the right shaking in their boots.  I don’t know what you are trying to say, maybe if you said what you have in mind.  An example of a fit of rage and it’s link to thinking the right is shaking in its boots?  I see a lot of fits of laughter at the current batch of republican candidates.  Which doesn’t mean I think the right doesn’t have a chance.  After all America has already shown it can descend into farce of its own volition with the re-election of president Bush.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, he talked to someone pretending to be Koch. Sorry, but business folks don’t care about junk like that. The Koch Bros. appear to be libertarians.

    I’m sure state aid to programs was cut because it had grown over past years. You can’t just keep adding more and more money to education, expecting to fix it. No – money should be spent efficiently.

    I don’t belong to Twitter so I don’t care what he tweets. Twitter is silly. Glad that you follow him though.

    Walker and sick leave:

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119701054.html

    “Walker said he is likely to sign the measure. The city’s sick leave ordinance was overwhelmingly approved by voters
    in 2008 but has never gone into effect because of legal challenges. The
    Assembly voted 59-35 to ensure it would never be implemented….

    …The repeal of Milwaukee’s ordinance passed largely on party lines.
    Joining all Republicans in support of the bill were independent Bob
    Ziegelbauer of Manitowoc and two Democrats – Peggy Krusick of Milwaukee
    and Louis Molepske Jr. of Stevens Point.”

    Essentially, the law puts in place a standard practice.

    Walker also recently changed the laws for overtime workers. Thus saving more money. The following talks about one county:

    http://www.scottwalker.org/news/2011/07/overtime-rules-changed-manitowoc-county-employees

    So far, the main thing I disagree with Walker is on his gun law as it applies to the Capitol Building. That was a recent move.

    Any more?

  • Razzer

    Rick Perry can’t be real. Surely this is a character from Saturday Night Live. No real person could be this dense.

  • Lizton

    I’d love to see Rick Perry debate Sarah Palin. It would be comedy gold.

  • Anonymous

    He did create over 2.1 million jobs. 

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3567

    Even if Douglas Elmedorf can’t prove it, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.  

    So you’re inaccurate when you say Rachel knowingly was using false job numbers.  You want to see false numbers just turn on FOX.

  • Anonymous

    He’s wrong again.  

  • Anonymous

    OccupytheGop, you are dense.  From your factcheck link:

    “Simply put, more people would be unemployed if not for the stimulus
    bill. The exact number of jobs created and saved is difficult to
    estimate”

    How does that add up to 2.1 million jobs?  Basically your factcheck link said that it’s difficult to estimate.  The head of the CBO said it’s impossible to prove the stimulus created jobs.

  • Anonymous

    Turk is not really libertarian, but he pretends to be one.  

  • occupy the GOP

    oh i got plenty ;

    -he closed DMV offices following the disenfranchisement legislation, which not only made it more difficult to register to vote but eliminated jobs in the process
    -he denied the public access to the state capitol
    -he blocked opposition websites, via free, taxpayer paid Wi-fi at the state capitol
    -he removed requirements on holding public hearings when he slashed Medicaid
    -he lied about capitol cleanup costs after union protests
    -he admitted to congress that gutting collective bargaining saves wisconsin no money

    you’re only embarrassing yourself when you ask me for more. want to keep going?

  • fyonalon

    Well, she would never state that because its a load of baloney and that you choose to make things up and call her a fool because she has integrity says more about you than anything.  You sound quite bitter and angry.  She doesn’t.  

  • fyonalon

    So juvenile it’s not even offensive.  Not even funny either.

  • fyonalon

    What an idiot you are.  This is the age of arguing with people you don’t know.  Go and have supper with your mummy and daddy – I hear them calling you.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    That’s not the correct term. 

    I know, I know: once you finally caught sight of yours (and what a shock that must have been for you), that’s what came to mind right away, and that’s understandable, I know no one else may be truly empathetic but we are at least SYMPATHETIC; but seriously: Maddow’s just fine, nothing wrong with her at all, and as for you, look, this is 2011, we have doctors these days who can work on your “little problem”. I realize you may be feeling a tad uncomfortable (tad: damn, I keep doing that, sorry it’s just a word, nothing judgmental about it) with this conversation, but I do promise to try my utmost to keep this little problem (oh come on now: it IS little, you can’t seriously it’s my fault that I can’t help using very common terms, especially about you) just between you and I and that cleaning lady you hit on who still can’t stop laughing.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    You see now, that’s what we call hostility, and it’s PERFECTLY understandable for someone with your “little” problem to go through that, it’s all part of the twelve stages of acceptance. Just keep remembering: It gets better.

  • fyonalon

    You’re arguing semantics.  The job growth happened under Obama’s economic reign.  If the economy had lost jobs you wouldn’t have a problem crediting that to him would you?

  • Anonymous

    You sent me to a liberal think tank.  Ok, cool.  When I get more time, I’ll even look it over because I’m interested in economics.

    But the burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim.  You can’t prove that I’m riding a unicorn right now. 

    And remember these people are using the CBO’s  assumptions. 

    If you want to see provable solid numbers try looking at the unemployment rate, debt to gdp, and food stamp recipients.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe I’m not a libertarian, but I have doubts that you’re actually Yoda.

  • fyonalon

    ‘Harridan’, ‘shrilly’, ‘brainless parrot’, ‘blarfed’ ‘harpy’, ‘anti-american venom’.  Please tell me you are not seriously suggesting she should go softer on Rick Perry because she is a woman and it can be really rough on a man when a woman critiques him?

  • Rex the Wonder God

    Nobody, apparently, except you.

    Did you actually LISTEN to the exchange between Senator Toomey and Dr. Elmendorf (with an ‘n’ by the way). The question was phrased quite precisely to gain the response, and to AVOID challenging the assertion in the CBO report Dr. Elmendorf was there to respond to questions about. 

    Did you hear the word “counterfactuals”? That is in fact the approved method by which such assertions are made in the first place, in accordance with generally accepted econometrics. Dr. Elmendorf didn’t have control of the question being posed to him, and Senator Toomey didn’t ask him anything like, Then why did you write this judgment in the CBO Report, but the point is well made in the CBO Report itself, that the such a GAE was in fact employed, just as it has been for decades by the CBO under administrations of both Ds and Rs. 

    The way that Senator Toomey phrased that question was designed not just to obtain the answer he received, but to employ a standard that econometrics does NOT use, which is roughly comparable to the level of proof that not even cosmology claims. That is, it is the current best estimate of science that Dark Energy in fact exists because that is the only credible explanation for, among other things, why red spectrum light gets bent around colliding galaxies. In fact, the science involved in econometrics measurements is actually superior to that at this stage, particularly due to the work for which the Nobel prize in Economics was awarded a few weeks ago. That science, on the other hand, is not as advanced as the proofs of Newton’s laws, or Einstein’s theory of General Relativity, or a host of other theories which comply with the use of that term in science. But it is sound, so sound that Congress endorses that standard being used by the CBO and as well the GAO, as the BEST AVAILABLE means of advising the U.S. government, and has in fact been accepted as such in the Supreme Court.

    This all tells us one of two things: that you did not understand the exchange between Senator Toomey and Dr. Elmendorf, or that you DID understand it and decided to try to pull a fast one over the readers here at Mediaite. I can’t tell that difference, but either way it makes your contribution here wrong: that is, you are wrong, DEAD wrong, that Rachel Maddow “lied” about the jobs creation number attributed by the CBO to the stimulus bill. 

    Now, you can actually help out here, a little, by telling us whether you agree you are wrong, because that shows good faith; yes, you jumped to a conclusion, suckered in by how Senator Toomey framed the question, or just a dumbass, I would leave any benefit of doubt there in your favor. Or you can double down and show that you are in fact a partisan opportunist or liar, on which again I would propose to grant you the benefit of doubt in your favor that it’s the former not the latter.

    It’s all up to you now. Go ahead and show us which it is.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    Conversely, if she is not misleading her viewers, then her politics must be correct, because her politics flows from the facts. And vice versa, if you wish, though I think that way doesn’t work as well.

  • Anonymous

    If she is going by CBO numbers then she is not purposely misleading her viewers. Obama came in office we were loosing 650,000 jobs and we’ve had 11 months of continues job growth. GDP doubled in growth from compared to last quarter.  But of course its not keeping up with demand for jobs, so unemployment stays the same.  

  • Rex the Wonder God

    Yes the world needs libertarians – but not in charge of governments. Ron Paul on net does some good, because he’s not in charge.

  • Rex the Wonder God

    The timing makes no difference at all. The measure was the same. There is no basis for thinking Dr. Elmendorf would have answered the question at all differently if asked it in 2010. In fact, the question would have been, and my guess would be probably was, asked of the head of the CBO in 2010, who then was Peter Orszag, who is no liberal at all, and would have answered it no differently. The trick is in the question. 

  • Anonymous

    Total net loss under Obama is at 2.5 million jobs.

    Our national debt went from 10.4 trillion to 14.8 trillion.

  • Anonymous

    You’re just pissed because you suck as a record ‘mogul’ and it conflicts with your ‘the market has spoken’ ideology and now you have to work a ‘regular job’.

    You couldn’t make it as a Punk Rocker so you gave up and became a Conservative.  It’s so easy to be a Con because you always have someone that can’t defend themselves to blame. What a Pussy! It’s way harder to be Punk.

    Yay Ayn Rand!!!  Lame!

    When are you going ‘Man up’ and post some of your ‘music’?

    Can’t wait!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6KRU2XBW2DA24T3GPNPUD34QQ4 dougster

    Congratulations, you will have the supply-side Republicans to block and destroy the economy for another four years. You can celebrate by drawing a collage of what you think your children’s life will be like growing up, getting a job, can thriving, and burn it in a trash heap in a dumpster behind a closed Pizza Hut.

  • Anonymous

    Rex, I understand what a misleading question is is.  Aside from all the red spectrum light, dark energy, and colliding galaxies stuff, that’s your point, right?

    CBO doesn’t count actual jobs created.  It uses the models that predicted the stimulus would create jobs when analyzing it’s effects.

    In other words if the stimulus created 10 jobs or 10 million jobs, it would still be around 2.1 million jobs.  It’s not possible to detect.

    Toomey’s question was not misleading in the least.  It’s fact.  And it’s also not the first time that Elmendorf has explained this.

  • Anonymous

    I’m flattered that you keep tabs on me, Grafx.

  • gordonbloyershow

    Hmmm? When did you become a political guru. Keep your day job. Obama won’t be able to beat PeeWee Herman next year.

  • joe

    would you be willing to back that up with 10k?
    i am so sure the dems wil hold the senate, take the house and keep the White House–i wilkl actually back it up—unlike the big talkers who appear to have a lot of bulge but no package…
    so–when will the talkers stop talking and back it up?

    never—

  • Anonymous

    You know OBAMO is an utter FAILURE when his beloved Leftist Media Hacks, who follow and swallow everything he says, refuse to speak or even acknowledge him. “Say nothing if you can’t say anything nice.”

    For all his divisiveness, OBAMO deserves to get politically bludgeoned this next year. So far, he’s been treated like a porcelain doll. That HAS to stop.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, WC. Who’s your candidate? You admitted in another thread that all the GOP candidates were terrible — which, to your credit, was extremely honest — so who’s getting your vote in the WI primary? 

    (I’m betting you’re for the hometown girl.)

  • Anonymous

    And speaking of hacks, welcome back!

  • TruDat

    She should concentrate on MSNBC’s tanking ratings.

  • Ralph

    Being wrongly called a racist is part of the American experience, but one that we’re trying to minimize.  That’s why it was so disconcerting to see the White House withhold the Hawaiian long form birth certificate until the media began calling the Birthers racists.  The Hawaiian short form birth certificate doesn’t look anything like my own birth certificate from that same year, although not from Hawaii.  So I could not tell the Birthers they had no right to question it.  I guess that makes me a racist in the eyes of the White House, but they’re wrong.  If you believe the Birthers are racists, just state here that the Hawaiian short form looks like your own original birth certificate.  I’ve posted this challenge a number of times and no one has met it.

  • TruDat

    Have you ever heard of one Joe Biden?

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Anita Perry is basically running Tollbooth’s campaign at the moment. She is not particularly bright. In fact, she is dimmer than Tollbooth himself. Tollbooth has run and hidden from debates in Texas and still suffered no tremendous consequence. Anita thinks if it works in Texas, it will work nationally. She is wrong, of course, but she’ll never admit it.

  • Anonymous

    Why is this unattracrive man always so angry?

  • TruDat

    He has no penis.

  • Holistic

    Wow! I bet the Perry staff was thinking——————————–how deep is the women? At the end she provided a good laugh for everyone.

  • AliveStillKickin

     He must be a liberal plant to be that stupid.
    PROOF:
    Perry opposes design of Confederate license
    plate

    After declining for
    months to tip his hand, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, under pressure from state
    civil-rights leaders, said Wednesday he opposes a proposed state license
    plate depicting the Confederate battle flag.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/26/perry-opposed-confederate-license-plate-design/

    Only a liberal could be that racist.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not hard to remember a Failed Libertarian Punk Rock Record Label owner.

    F&cking HILARIOUS!!!

    Seriously, though! Post some of your music! I want to forward it to some of the guys I grew up with here on the West Coast to show them what Libertarian Punk sounds like!

  • Da Head Nigga

    I is only skeered of dat Newt guy and dat udder nigga Massa Cain.
    All de res be easy
    I hopes dey doesn’t ax me for my birf atifigate

  • Ironbolt Bruce

    —–Original Message—–
    From: Ironboltbruce 
    Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 4:10 PM
    To: ‘oreilly@foxnews.com’
    Subject: You have little to fear, Willie

    You have little to fear, Willie,

    I had the misfortune of watching your scripted exchange with Barbara Walters last night, and let me assure you:

    1. Occupy Wall Street (OWS) is not about decapitating talking heads like you.  You are bought, sold and irrelevant.

    2. Some OWS-ers may oppose capitalism per se, but most oppose only crony capitalism, a.k.a. socialism for the rich.

    3. The ones who have something to fear are not pawns like you, Willie, but the real players in the Kleptocracy…

    IronBoltBruce
    http://ironboltbruce.com

  • Anonymous

    I’m ABO. I’m with the nation.

  • Anonymous

    DMV offices aren’t run efficiently. I’m ok with DMV closures.

    The protestors had access to the state capitol. My mom as a VP had an issue with allowing the protestors into the building for fire code violations and EMS personnel should a situation arise. Once again, I was ok with the denial of access.

    Oh no – he was wrong in his numbers. Either way, the money cost due to the protests was atrocious. Our Capitol is gorgeous and to have hippies and college students hang out for days and use Capitol resources (bathrooms, etc.) was just wrong.

    Well apparently gutting collective bargaining does save the state money.

    I’ll have look into the opposition websites but last I checked, I read a lot of opposition to him on multiple websites. So I’m not sure if it was something contained within the Capitol.

    Please go on…..

  • Anonymous

    Thank goodness he’s not.

  • AliveStillKickin

    If Newt Gingrich gets to debate Homobama…..you won’t be laughing…..but I will.

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