Kennedy is the real douchebag.

Some trouble controlling the panel this week, indeed

If Bush butchered Libya like Obama did,  He’d have been hung!

Bill Maher’s is a piece of shit, why waste time arguing with Bill the shitman.

I’m sure you believe that.

Why hasn’t there been any mention on here about Dan Abrams co-hosting Live with Kelly (nee Live with Regis & Kelly) on Monday?

Good Lord – Iraq was butchered by a factor of 10,000 compared to Libya. 

Um, Obama butchered Libya? Qaddafi still there? no… The cost was 1/1000th the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan? Yes… Were there any American lives lost? no…. hmmm, I think I’m all for Obama’s ‘butchering’. 

You don’t?  Are ya kidding me?

Bush butchered Iraq for 6 years, thousands of American lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, and trillions of US taxpayer dollars…and he’s still sitting comfortably on his couch in Texas.  Not hung.

Try again.

Pig Maher wallows in sh!t.

Dana Rohrabacher does not know what he is talking about. 

Obama should not take military advice from Axelrod and Plouffe.

Someone should have told Barry the first time he mispronounced “corpseman”, because he did it in a second speech. He needs people who can set him straight occasionally and not be “yes men”.

This entire panel are douchebags. What a  dreadful bunch.

Kennedy? wow – where did Maher find her? Was he trying this week to parody FOX’s habit of booking washed-up rightwing nobodies? Can’t wait to hear what the Headbangers Ball guy has to say next week.

Libya is in shambles. So is Syria. Even MSNBC was talking about it this morning.

Better than invading the wrong country and sending thousands to their deaths, because the George W. Boosh listened to Ahmed Chalabi, Bill Kristol and Don Rumsfeld, rather than people who knew what the f-ck were talking about.

Libya would be in shambles regardless of what Obama did.

57 STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Libya is going through an adjustment phase. Emotions are still raw after the war and 42 years of Gaddafi. 

Iraq is far worse – there have been no car bombs in Libya. 

Obama does not take advice from Axelrod and Plouffe. 

As for Obama’s only mispronunciation- Bush butchered the English language. Before Bush was elected, I sent my English teaching mother a list of Bush’s pronouncements – and she said “God help the country”. She was exactly right. 

Bush need to go back to school to learn how to speak English. He was a joke. 

He was horrible at repeating talking points.

Obama immediately corrected himself afterwards, and laughed about it. It is funny how after the idiot Bush, the RW picks on the smallest issues, but ignore Bush’s “Well, I am not really concerned about him.” wrt OBL.

Really? He was trying to list the facts while the real pigs would not allow him to talk.

SO WHAT!!!!!!

If they want to let religious conservative freaks get control of their country s, well that’s their own fault, as far as I am concerned they needed and need to overthrow corrupt dictatorships and then they should have rounded up all the free market religious freaks (any religion with whack-o members) and made sure they established a secular society under the rule of law and not men.

Shambles applies to any number of countries, and time and again its rightwing death squads and religious conservatives doing the dirty deeds.

Drug lords are as free market as they come and they like conservative corporations are all about bribes killing and conservatism.

YET

When Bush said that, Osama was, for all intents and purposes, dead, inconsequential, irrelevant and totally insignificant.

Just like killing him a couple years later.

Before world war 1 and world war 2, America held to an isolationist approach to world affairs, and thereafter ended up fighting wars not of our own choosing where tens of millions died. Since WW2, pursuant to the Truman doctrine of containment, the US has been out there, fighting smaller wars in an effort to avoid larger war, and otherwise seeking to prevent the bad guys from advancing unchecked. Its been an effective approach, since in that way we won the cold war, Both the Korean War and the Viet Nam war were instrumental in bringing that victory. Likewise, though many lives have been lost, our efforts in the middle east will ultimately bear similar fruit.

No, they’ve got all out battles instead. That’s much better than car bombs, huh?

Wait, how many people did Bush get killed? And how many people did al-Qaeda/various Islamists kill?

I suppose Obama owns all the terror deaths in Pakistan, right?

Barry reads his speeches like someone just learning to read.

A fo a, Thee for the, etc.

Gavins, you keep saying this and I hate to break it to you but Bush said that in 2002, when the “war on terror” was in its infancy. As reported again and again over the next decade, Al Qaida remained a serious threat both in Europe (Madrid and London attacks), in Iraq (according to Rumsfeld, right?) and in Asia (Bali). The Right acknowledged this when it flipped out over the would-be underwear bomber in a ridiculous attempt to make Obama look weak on terrorists. When Bin Laden was killed–guess what–it turned out he was still in charge and still directly involved in planning attacks. If you don’t believe me, read the newspaper from time to time. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_al-Qaeda_attacks 

So you’re ok with an UNprompted war for WMD that costs innocent people their lives VS Libya?

Bush is responsible for EVERY innocent life destroyed in a war which HE and HE ALONE asked for.

Was he supported? Yes. Was he the only one asking for the war? Yes.

Bush is DIRECTLY responsible.

Yet getting him was always the mission.

Correction – he still is a joke.

I guess he got his law degree in the mail.

Kennedy was so obnoxious that I couldn’t finish the show. I had to turn off the TV when she yelled “I’m a philosophy major!” as if that was some kind of checkmate in a debate. She was “dumb Facebook girl” incarnate.

Man, are you telling me. Mahr will never have her on again because he was getting pissed at her too. 

Kennedy made me want to kill myself. Imagine being married to her. 

Sure.  right…. how about all the American troops Obama got killed there. 0. Civilian casualties are always unfortunate but the claim of that many was highley exaggerated. Obama handled it perfectly. Kept our guys out, waited until the U. N. mandated it and assisted NATO. Sorry, but it was done perfect. Just like bin Laden, Al-awakee and the pirates. Who would of thought but you have to give the man credit. No matter how much you hate him.  Had Bush did the same thing to kill bin Laden we would have 5,000 of our guys alive, not to mention those maimed for life.

They do not have all out battles. They have had small skirmishes. Get your facts straight.

They have also  had protests – that is what democracy means.

Really – OBL was planning something big for 10th anniversary of 911 – or do you not read the news?

NO!

What is her gig anyway?  I never heard of her and don’t know anything about her which is probably a good thing, but just curious.

“Since its invention a half­century ago, the teleprompter has been used by presidents and presidential candidates, Republicans and Democrats alike, seeking precision and accuracy in their speeches. ”

Why do the Republicans mock the use by Obama even though Saint Ronnie used it just as much? because they have nothing else. 

$500 Billion over 10 years. Not that bad considering we have the largest and best military in the entire world. No other country comes close to America’s ability to wage war or keep the peace. If a Republican came up with this idea, he would be hailed as a fiscal conservative and a patriot. Helping to lower the national deficit and making sure more money does not go to waste. Obama does it, he is anti-american and weak as far as national security. Oh well, I guess haters will hate.

“Since its invention a half­century ago, the teleprompter has been used by presidents and presidential candidates, Republicans and Democrats alike, seeking precision and accuracy in their speeches. ”

Why do the Republicans mock the use by Obama even though Saint Ronnie used it just as much? because they have nothing else. 

I guess using the military very intelligently is considered anti-military to the neo-cons and chickenhawks. That’s a compliment in that case.

yup.

You are trying to ask an ObamaHater to look at the facts objectivley. Impossible.

Really?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o

Actually, Foley was the best of the bunch. Not including Maher.

I thought Kenney actually was pretty good throughout the show.  Not lockstep GOP. That said, I don’t want to see Ricky Rackman anytime soon.

I only saw this clip of the show and she was infuriating me, especially since I guess I’m politically similar to her now, but for (curse word’s) sake let people talk! Really pretentious and rude.

Stylin: I don’t know what she’s doing now, but she was an MTV VJ back in the day… oddly enough, she was also a Republican back then. I remember her being a hottie back then, but she was annoying back then, too.

Funny thing, he never published any law review articles, even though he was president (read: editor) of the Harvard law review.  And when he was on the faculty at the U of Chicago Law School, a colleague remarked that he never spoke up and took a position on anything.  All he did was hold his hand on his chin, the other on his elbow, and look cerebral.  He is just a cynical politician. Like all of them except Ron Paul, who is an ancient nut-case.  A pox on them all.

yes, but did we invade?  Is it now our responsibility to clean it up?  Last I checked, we have really done nothing in Syria.

Well at least Dana Rohrbacher isn’t still hanging out with the Muhajadeen and supporting the Taliban, or is he?

Support for the Taliban in the early 1990′s

Dana Rohrabacher voiced support for the Taliban
when they seized power in the 1990s, visiting Afghanistan when it came
under their control, saying that the Taliban would provide “stability”,
and eliminate threats to the United States. He also claimed the Taliban
“intend to establish a disciplined, moral society”. He said he believed
complete Taliban control over Afghanistan would be a “positive
development”, that they were “devout traditionalists, not terrorists or
revolutionaries”, and that “sensationalist” media coverage of the
Taliban’s introduction of Sharia law was “nonsense”

I would quibble on ‘butchered’ and ‘hung’, myself.

He’s a typical Congressional rep – objectively horrible for the nation, objectively unelectable in just about every district represented in the House, but well-thought of & popular in the district that’s been sending him to Washington (I seem to recall he’s not running for re-election, and that such might have something to do with re-districting in California.). 

Any guesses as to the dominant sentiment in his district towards cuts in the military? There you are. It doesn’t MATTER to the constituents of a district if your arguments are correct or honest or even make any sense – what matters is if you can demonstrate to your constituents that you’re doing things that low-information voters identify with as ‘doing things for the district’. Those things can take many forms: the directly relevant voting record, the indirectly suggestive voting record, photo ops, ribbon cutting ceremonies, testimonials, specific earmarks – those just scratch the service. Rohrabacher, objectively, is among the biggest confabulators in Congress on a whole range of issues that … really don’t matter much to his constituents, or at least not as much as his positions on military spending. I actually think his constant high-pitched apparent anger & outrageous statements & stupidity somehow contributes to a view among many of his constituents that might vote against him otherwise, that all that stupid ranting of inane positions just means he’s 100% focussed on the single issue that matters to them – because it’s all he knows. 

I think she appeared in character.

If a conservative president had conducted the war on Libya Obama did, the right would be crowing with righteousness.

Whatever President Obama does in foreign affairs he does to advance the power and prestige of the US.  The remarkable thing is how amazingly successful he is in this – especially when compared to his predecessor.

Nobody’s arguing with you.

You’re wrong. This comes up a lot, & I’ve responded to it consistently & accurately. 
He DID publish a law review article that he wrote – but besides that, you misunderstand the role of president (senior student editor) of a law review, not just Harvard but any law review at any accredited university. The editor’s job is to edit, not write. He has to read every article that’s submitted & he’s responsible for every article that gets published. The Harvard Law Review, being the most prestigious in the country, maybe on the planet, gets more submissions than any other – and publishes more than any other: in Obama’s case, it published over 500 pages of material during the time he was in charge. That’s a book! Plus, at the same time, he’s in class, full-time.  

Where you really betray the profundity of your ignorance is on the U of Chicago position. Obama was NOT “on faculty” in any manner that obliged him to attend meetings. He was a permanent sessional lecturer in one area, Constitutional law, and indeed on a particular focus of that large and vital subject. At the same time, he was either running a legal practice or holding down a seat as a state senator, for a time all three. He was invited to his lecture position – he was “actively courted” as they say – & he was offered & declined to apply for a full time tenured position. He was extremely popular as a lecturer – it was difficult to get into his classes, they were in such demand. He was known for his even-handed consistent reliance on the classical Socratic method. His classes had a definite point – his position was that minority interests had been poorly served by concentration on civil rights lawsuits & much better served by concentration on legislation; it’s difficult to argue against the soundness of that, and the sheer practicality of it.

You post quite a bit, and always make a point of being “a lawyer”. Your post here completely contradicts that claim.

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Maher wouldn’t know a fact if it fell on his hairplugged head. He butcherd the facts on his show on Friday from everything from the debt to Romney’s tax return. 

You left out the whole way the continent got taken over – Indian wars, wars with France, wars with Spain, wars with Britain, the war in Puerto Rico, the war in the Philippines – do you think we somehow just ambled out from the 13 colonies into unoccupied land? We CONQUERED Florida, we FOUGHT over Texas, we killed hundreds of thousands of native “Indians” & force-marched them to death or starvation camps or relocation. We’ve had direct involvement with Middle East politics including wars since SEVENTEEN NINETY-EIGHT. Isolationism was a passing policy – it came & went, it ebbed & flowed. It was a big reason we didn’t jump into WWII until Pearl Harbour, but then – as you suggest – something changed at that waxing & waning over isolationism – & that thing was the Soviet Empire, particularly whatever it was that Stalin told Churchill & FDR at Yalta that scared the beejeebers out of the western democracies & started the Cold War. But neither the Korean War nor the Viet Nam War did anything at all to diminish the USSR – all they did was diminish us. What got the USSR & brought it down was a combination of inefficiencies, overreaches & the problems of taking a medieval nation of immense proportions to a modern nation in a matter of decades rather than centuries. It can be done on a small scale, with a mostly homogenous people – look at Denmark – but trying to do it over a land space larger than the US while trying to control another land space as large proved just as daunting as one can imagine. Also, it made a terrible mistake going into Afghanistan – that was a huge money suck & a huge morale suck, all without the support of a middle class to tax.

What we’ve done in the Middle East in terms of directly killing of people is virtually nothing in historical terms. The Sassafid Empire in Syria did much worse, as did the Crusades, as did Genghis Khan, as did the Ottoman Empire. The Brits killed more over the 300 hundred years of screwing around there. But we can no more “save” the area or contribute to it “bearing fruit” than they did. They can only save themselves, and even if that happens, which history suggests is extremely unlikely, it will take a lot more time than any of us have left to live. 

It’s funny when people say they like Martin Bashir.

In fairness. that reflected bipartisan policy at that time. The idea of arming the Muhajadeen was to deplete the Rooskies. The idea of the Taliban was to provide order to the feudal disorder of the Pashtuns. These are but a few of the brilliant ideas for ‘saving’ Afghanistan that have been imported into that area over the last 3000 years. It’s like us trying to civilize Appalachia – have you SEEN those people, and how they LIVE? – but with an entirely foreign perspective & at a far greater cost.  

After watching that clip, I am going to be honest. The representative of California, should never be on a tv show again. And Kennedy, should stay on Reason TV, and go nowhere outside of Reason TV. And finally, I need HBO, just to watch Bill Maher’s show. 

Democrats or Republicans just do what Millitary Industrial complex will ask.Where their differences lay is in defending the Wars.
But behind all the Wars lay inability of common Democrats and Republicans to actualy restructure Millitary Industrial complex from cold war track of producing means of war to servicing the real  peoples needs.Wars are somehow blessing for companies because they are actualy big massive contracts  which make employment oportunity for good middle term.If you stop the wars actualy you have to shut the company and lay employees which Obama dont want to do,so he will build war machine once again.
I cant see anyone exept Ron Paul  and Chinese creditors to change this way of doing business.Ron Paul is self moderation,and Chinese creditors means colaps of the value of $.If $ fail,USA will never have economic and monetary status what have today.

Until the next maniacal dictator takes over

Well, you have a good point, for once.
How many would have Saddam killed on his own if left in power?

No, actually I think you are more fecal than he is, by a factor of 10

How was Libya butchered? No American casualties, the rebels are in charge trying to set up a government, they thanked us for the help, and operations were complete in 8 months from the UN charter to the death of Quadaffi. To top it all off we looked like good guys in the eyes of the world. As opposed to the Iraq war; costing about 800 billion dollars, 4,000 soldiers, 8 years, looking like bullies on the world stage, and now Iraq might become a dictatorship with close ties to Iran. So how did Obama butcher Libya?!?

Corpsemen, bawk, teleprompter, bawk, 57 states bawk

Appalachia, WDF?
They may be poor, not even most
but they don’t stone adulteress to death or blow each others churches up.

So you think that Iraq wasn’t in shambles in 2004? Really? I know Fox was on the air constantly trying to discredit and demonize any media, like the NYT, that differed from the what the administration was reporting, but how thick could you possibly be? How far from shambles could a country possibly be after 2 months of bombing and an invading army with over 100,000 civilian deaths during the course of the war. Look Syria is trouble, but they are directly allied with Iran, so if we go in Syria, we would have to deal with Iran, the Syrian people will have to have a good old fashion revolution, which may take years, like the French revolution, but they are also of no national interest to us. Libya, supplied oil to Europe and Quadaffi was a terrorist, which is why we went to Libya, and we just make speeches for Syria, to step down.

As is Iraq.

Whats your point?

stfu philby

you can’t prove anything u just said

Car bombing is a tactic of terrorists and insurgency against an oppressive regime, whether actually oppressive or just perceived to be. It is a tactic to create chaos among a much larger and more organized force, often having to do with ethnic strife. In Iraq we were the foreign oppressors that is why we did counter insurgency operations, there is no regime in Libya, so why would there be car bombs?

None?

Mock the dummies rocks, nice avatar, but they need to do one on Gingrich.

I know how scary it could be if religious conservatives win elections, think of the horror of President Santorum.

What Obama did was prevent the butchery that was about to happen in Libya.

The only reason any of the war deaths happened in Iraq was because Bush invaded.

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And Santorum places the needs of his religion above those of our military veterans:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/how-rick-santorum-ripped-off-american-military-veterans 

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Lisa Kennedy Montgomery is married to former professional snowboarder David Lee and has two daughters.  They are named Pele and Lotus, which seems somehow cruel to me. 

She’s a MTV creation, a former VJ.

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Bush would have loved to have been the one to take out Osama, Al Awlaki and Gaddaffi. 

The panel was horrible this week. I actually felt sorry for Martin Bashir.

No Kidding.  That stupid bitch has got to be the worst guest I’ve ever seen on Bill’s show.  At least Ann Coulter says her outrageous shit in an entertaining way.  This chick is just an annoying, shrill ADHD blabbermouth who interrupts everyone constantly and can’t express a coherent thought.  She should stick to MTV and Fox News where the audience IQ is more in line with hers.

Given his success with the military, President Obama is arguably the greatest Commander in Chief ever.  Given President George W. Bush’s relative failure, he’s down there with Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, and Nixon among the worst.

Or just about any left-leaning propaganda site.

“But neither the Korean War nor the Viet Nam War did anything at all to diminish the USSR – all they did was diminish us.”

That is simply not true. Communism had one goal that they repeated over and over, which was to take over the world. But they lost. Our resolve in Korea and Viet Nam is one of the primary reasons for that.

Bi partisan much?

That’s a horrible thing to say about yourself.

Libya is an absolute mess. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/26/libya-torture-national-transitional-council-editorial?newsfeed=true

Every statement Obama made or makes has an expiration date attached. Mahar is right. Obama is a murdering liar..

Does that include apologizing all over the friggin world for America being America ?

So the Congress that authorized it bears no responsibility? The people WHO DID THE ACTUAL KILLING bear no responsibility?

This is what blinkered progressive hatred looks like.

Ford did get bailouts. It came from an outside source… Far be it from me to say where? But we all know where. The round about loans from a companies like General Dynamics is totally crazy. I’d rather take money from the Canadian/American people than take it from a company that makes money on death. Ford still hasn’t paid off their, so called, loans & wont. It was a forced take over. So love your Ford. GM’s loan are all but paid back way before schedule…. Trouble is they borrowed money and never reported that they owned a good part of Toyota, they did not report that they are the number 1 company in China in sales nearly doubling VW, that they lent money to Fiat to repurchase Fiat from themselves and in turn Fiat used that money to purchase the majority of shares into Chrysler, & GM is the majority company in the said General Dynamics… So it all comes around to, WHO OWNES WHO?

Depending on who you ask, he was killing millions as it was. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/35065.stm

He had the Oil for Food deal, but he sold a lot of oil but the food didn’t make it to the people. The had a lot of utterly corrupt help in that scheme, and the toll on his people was enormous. They’re in a far better place now than they were then.

http://www.economist.com/node/2618260?story_id=2618260

What rebels are those? The only thing that united the many various groups was opposition to Gadhaffi. There is no government in Libya.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/26/libya-torture-national-transitional-council-editorial?newsfeed=true

Apparently, Obama doesn’t agree with Colin Powell about the Pottery Barn rule.

Right.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/26/libya-torture-national-transitional-council-editorial?newsfeed=true

Gadhaffi wasn’t on our list. On the contrary, he was quite cooperative with us and was fighting al-Qaeda. http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=1965753&page=1#.TyVdNoFCjKc

Perhaps I’m just not remembering, but I don’t remember ever seeing Bush like this: http://sin.stb.s-msn.com/i/CF/5BA69A52603E89CAAEF83A7216C764.jpg

Uh, no. He didn’t. Obama is chained to the thing, and it isn’t just Republicans that have noticed.

http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/4/646457/1264430322987.JPEG

That’s wishful thinking. Vietnam and Korea were defeats for the US and the ones who showed resolve were the Viet Cong in ‘nam and the chinese who poured wave after wave of poorly armed peasants into the chopper. Hout is right on.

The apologies were strategically executed and they had the effect of enhancing US relations, not damaging them.  This is what a strategic apology does – whether it is done within your family, to your children, at work to your employees, or by the most powerful country in the world to those countries whose people it wants on side.

Mediaite does a good job pandering to sensationalism … whether it comes from the left or right.

Maher is a funny guy.

That was great!  

OSTL: But you believe david r’s account, doncha now? 

and he loves it!  

So, the Saddam deaths, you’re cool with, whereas Gadhaffi had to go because…?

I was just gonna say that!! D A M N why did you have to answer your own question?

BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE!!

You watch too much Fox News. Seriously. Where was the teleprompter when Obama was giving his SOTU speech? Grow up.

Technically Ford did not get bailouts, but government handouts?  Yes. 
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/ford-motor-co-does-u-turn-on-bailouts/

   Which did the congressman get the silly blue shirt?

Maher is interested in facts? That’s a laugh. The other day he said Obama had added only $1.5 trillion to the national debt when in fact he has added $4.5 trillion.

And these whoppers:

”
“Brazil got off oil in the last 30 years.”

“Do you know that we have pipes carrying natural gas in this country that are made of wood? I’m not joking.”

“Under a proposal by Rep. Paul Ryan, people on Medicare will only
have $15,000 from the federal government to spend on their health care.”

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bill-maher/

Once again, Maher nails it. These people live in a total bubble, divorced from reality and only able to view events through the anti-Obama prism constructed by the Limbaugh/Fox/Coulter/Beck/WND/Redstate media hatred complex.

Rohrabacher is an embarrassment; a perfect symbol of a party that no longer can be taken seriously.

He was a very bad man and had a bad, murderous regime. Though then again we didn’t go in with the best of intentions or attitudes. Like the whole “honey trap” strategy the cons bantered about sounds nice unless it is your town that is the battle field between us and Al Qaeda led forces

Defeats my ass. Only because you do not understand those battles and the role they played in winning against totalistic communism, do you say that. Neither war was designed to bring a “win” in the traditional sense, but only to contain, which history now proves was a winning strategy.

Kennedy is entitled to her opinions.  That’s what Real Time is all about. Still, she’s about as appealing as a 9 year old having a temper tantrum in a restaurant… un-bleeping-bearable!  Kennedy made the show damn near unwatchable.  It’s hard to fathom that people actually tune into this shriekers radio show deliberately. Good God!

One to the left, one to the right. Duh. http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/president-barack-obama-addresses-a-joint-session-of-news-photo/137685850

You drink too much Kool Aid.

“gut the military”  If “gut” means increase, then he’s right.

But he can pronounce the word “nuclear”.

Obama gives two craps about soldiers…. Face it he only cares about his demographics which anyone working hard for a living and soldiers who are hard workers and have a character flaw to him HONOR! are people he can not associate with… Thus he bitches when he has to sign autographs for soldiers……

I’ll bet you spend a lot of time thinking about “SHIT”!

Go to bed.

Okay.  If no one else is going to ask it, I will.  I understood that the republicans were actually ranting about the deficit spending and national debt and the urgent need to reduce spending. Yet, when military spending is put on the table, they have a problem with it.  Here’s the solution – change the damn tax code to eliminate all those rich tax breaks, increase the minimum for over a million in income to 30% and there will be limited reduction in military spending.

Now that is a deal we can possibly live with .

Perhaps an even better idea would be to eliminate all offensive capability of the military which would drastically reduce defense spending.  Then, further ignore the debt, raise taxes and call it a great day in America?

1.) We would eliminate the military

2.) Ignore the Constitutional provision for “equal protection”

3.) Further weaken the U.S. Economy

I’m in!

It was a rare “bad” show.  Awful panel of loud-mouthed, rat-wing dweebs.

The Rebels, you know the people who rebelled against Gadhaffi. Do I have to spell it out for you!?! There is a national transitional council. Why are you complaining about a lack of government, I thought that is what republicans want. Maybe we should send all libertarians to Libya? Libertarians to Libya kinda has a ring to it.

Seriously learn some practical history, in the Revolution, there was no centralized government from the end of fighting in 1781, to the implementation of the constitution, with the disaster of the articles of confederation in between. It’s been 4 months since Gadhaffi died, so shove it, when it comes to your righteous indignation.

There was an current, ongoing slaughter of civilians in Libya. There hadn’t been such a thing happening in Iraq.

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Why are you people so dumb? Didn’t believe in the “Tea Party Bubble” until literally just now.

Right! But the funniest part is…..because they chose to make such a stink over it, now every republican candidate is terrified to use one! You gotta admit, it’s hilarious.  Kinda like Citizens United…where Gingrich was the first to get bit in the arse over that….just on a smaller scale.  Palin writing on her hand.  Recently, Mittster kept opening his mouth ad lib and getting himself into trouble, so his campaign had to put him back on teleprompter for speeches.  Oh, the karma.

Get a grip! WHO could actually give a 65 minute speech without one?  Would you prefer he or any candidate be constantly checking the podium for notes?  The real thing is……….Who gives a rat’s arse!  The whole argument is so petty and small minded!  I couldn’t care less if every politician since they were invented uses one!  I guess this is the best the republicans can come up with.

Don’t know where you get your info but you are an idiot.  Obama has raised money for veterans, raises, and more money for their care and va hospitals every year he has been in office.  OMG, such hatred.  I was a vet rep against the VA for many years so was on the inside of budgets by these lousy presidents (good old Ronny decreased and destroyed our budget for vet and hospitals were broke in 6 month!) so you better go back to the computer to a reliable site and get you FACTS straight.  He does NOT bitch about autographs for soldiers.

She drove me nuts and we almost turned it off.  I hope he NEVER has this hateful bitch on again.  I have never seen anyone so loud and rude and wrong in my life.  She was a guest but bet she would NEVER be a guest in my home cause I would make her leave if she acted that way.  Wasnt too fond of that republican either.  I watch Martin and guess he just gave up before he started.  Who the hell could get one word in with this bitch’s mouth running off?

It would be nice if we did a bit more with “keeping the peace” and a lot less of killing people with drones.

Ohhh…is that like someone else we know using “I was a journalism major!” as some badge of honor that means she can never lie?

There are times when you actually change the pronunciation of the: the dog, thee author. It depends on the first consonant of the following word. I wish he would be even more precise in his speaking. It sets a good example for our children, who are now not taking spelling past 5th grade, nor learning foreign languages here in Michigan. If kids are not readers outside of school, they never learn the flow of language; the correct way to put sentences and paragraphs together, and the beauty of the written word. All that translates to how you speak. I like A instead of a, actually. It sounds more formal and less ‘street.’ And the teleprompter controversy is just stupid. Anyone who watched his first 10 minutes in Ann Arbor, which were totally unscripted, recognized his quick wit, his ability to connect, and his absolute joy at being there. 

Funny but, the biggest prompter crictic, Queen Sarah, uses one on Fox..you can see it reflected in her fake glasses. And he is NOT chained to it…he spent an hour with the GOP leaders in 2009 and never used one. Petty.

But but but…I thought that Bush was responsible for Obama’s order to kill Osama? You mean, President Obama is tough on terror? swow…don’t tell the GOP…it blows their entire raison d’ˆetre.

He heard what he wanted to hear. I’m certain that there were people who did not want to invade, but Bush was determined to do it, and used 9-11 as the catalyst. 

Oh, please enlighten us…I guess you wanted Obama to send in whatever remaining US troops there are and start a fullout war? Or did you want us to ignore the UN and the atrocities going on? How did Obama ‘bucher’ Libya? We are out. No loss of life, and it was a multi-national effort. 

I so agree.  Bill couldn’t shut her up and she was sooo annoying!  Poor Martin Bashir couldn’t get a word in edgewise and Batali might as well have not come to the table.  What a waste.

“he wasn’t being let finish his points.”?  OMG

BTW, I watched that episode.  Rep. Rohrabacher said initially said that Obama wanted to GUT the military.  That’s what forced Maher to actually point out the facts, which most often than not becomes painfully difficult for trapped-in-the-bubble right wingers like Rep. Rohrabacher to understand.  In case you didn’t notice, he was the douchebag politician sitting next to Kennedy.  Maybe she should have pointed that out instead.

Oh my god, you HAVE to be kidding… you have to reach all the way back to May 2008 for a quote that was obviously said by someone exhausted on the campaign trail… and is clearly discernible by all but an idiot to have been a slip of the tongue, where he meant to say “47 states… with one to go…” 

In the ORIGINAL quote from Obama, he was talking about having hit all of the contiguous states but one… and went on to explain that he wasn’t able to hit Alaska and Hawaii, which would have rounded out the total to all 50. 

Is it the kind of misstatement people pick on? Sure. But so small, that in any other context it would have been and should have been forgotten quickly. If you think that Obama is not aware of how many states there are in the U.S., you’re a nitwit. 

Meanwhile, as long as we’re reaching back for misstatements, the non-partisan Center for Political Integrity tracked eight members of the Bush administration, including Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice, and others at that level… and painstakingly documented and cross-checked 935 different falsehoods and misstatements about Iraq alone, from Sept. 2001 to March 2003. 

935. 

And these were not over-tired blips made in a small town interview, later corrected by the speaker himself (as is Obama’s case). These were gigantic misstatements that lead to policy decisions… which in turn ended up starting an eight year war that cost us a minimum of $8 billion per year and resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths (if you’re honest enough to include dead Iraqis). 

We are still paying for those lies today, which makes it FAR more relevant to mention them even these many years later, than to keep on going back to what Obama said in front of a camera — with zero societal impact other than giving people like you something to talk about — about the “57 states.” 

If you’ve got objection to policy, go ahead and air it. But THIS? Just ninny-ism and incredibly stupidity (on your part, in case that’s not clear enough for you). 

Seriously. What’s especially bad about a Rep like this repeating his talking points is that he’s perpetuating an idea that takes us further away from exactly what we SHOULD be doing… which is… gutting the military. 

Obama only proposes to slow down the spending. So it will grow just a little bit slower, but it’s still growing. This is like saying you’re going to “quit drinking” by cutting back to eight beers a day instead of ten. 

In reality, we should go cold turkey on growing the military. We’re amply equipped already. Allow military R&D to continue so we can ramp back up in a modern way, if needed. But until we get our other spending under control, we should immediately reclaim the billions sent to the Pentagon. 

There are much better ways to spend it right now.

Wow talk about off topic, suddenly we jumped to foreign affairs and differing (read: crazy) opinions. I honestly don’t care what this “debate” is about, because certain things aren’t really up for interpretation. Some things are just right and wrong, like math. 2+2=4 and that’s that. I don’t need opinion on true or untrue, so I’m bypassing it altogether.

What DOES interest me is the article, because I was blown away by the last episode of real time. It was both exactly what you want from the show, and also impossibly hard to watch. It’s like observing an animal seeing those conservatives spouting off in front of a crowd and a host that actually takes people to task for what they say. I can see Kennedy and Dana on Fox getting applauded for the stuff they said, they’d have instant backup. For this show.. it was just painful to see them defend indefensible positions. But anyway, that’s not why I decided to post either.

I just wanted to dig in a little, and say that on a personal note, Kennedy is a shrill, horrible, brainless right wing walkie talkie, and I don’t care what anyone has to say to the contrary. Surely I wasn’t the only person to notice she lined right up when it came down to the necessary republican insanities. She said that it was sexism that the Jan Brewer thing was being talked about. She declared sunspots were the cause of global warming, and she insisted atheism was a religion. Give. Me. A. Break.

This girl couldn’t debate herself out of a wet paper bag, and on top of it she’s horribly annoying. I wanted to gag every time she did that sassy voice, like she’s trying to be hip.. or funny? It was just sad. She’s clearly not gotten out of her bad hosting and VJ habits. I truly hope that she’s never invited back on the show, even if it might be fun to have an idiot in the room now and then. At least get a quieter idiot next time.

She doesn’t do herself any favors with her one-name moniker. Try googling her if you don’t know her full name. Even with the terms real time bill maher she doesn’t show up. I’m not sure how I got here now. What are the credentials that got her on the show?

Republicans hate middle class America. Every time something is done for the middle class like saving the auto industry, the Republicans oppose it. Why?

You don’t need to be a republican to answer that one: 1) bond holders got screwed or pension funds if that’s clearer or middle class america 2) I’m certain its not rescued just yet, just propped up 3) sending good tax dollars after failing companies is going to hurt the middle class in the long run. The problem is we have thrown out all the rules….ha ha

That is a classic strawman idiot argument.

How did your great mind arrive at such a lofty conclusion? Or in other words, you are just another rabid Obama hater hiding behind the military

It is sarcasm, you pretentious ass.  My comment above is very similar to the humor that Jon Stewart and Bill Maher, et.al., use all the time, only this time the jokes on YOU!

Stings doesn’t it?

Purveyor