Life goes on dems/libs, just like when us ” real ” Americans will have to pick up the pieces once we throw Barack & Michelle out with the trash next November.

GET OVER YOURSELVES ALREADY. 

The dems ought to put the money they’ve stolen from us where their mouth is, outbid everyone else , then destroy the weapon.

Rep.Giffords is one of the rare sensible Democrats and always seemed to be a charming , nice person .

You know she’s being primaried , but I guess a story angle with the GOP or  Fox or Sarah Palin worked in is more suitable to the purposes here .

The reason they didn’t consider it inappropriate is because a crazy kook shot the Congresswoman. Why should they change a tradition they have been doing for years because of that? It wasn’t the gun’s fault. The caliber or make of the gun is certainly irrelevant.

We’ve given up enough freedoms and conveniences on account of a bunch of kooks and terrorists. Enough is enough.

Keep in mind that a Republican judge was killed, the Democrat was only wounded.  If anyone should complain about being insensitive, it is the wife the Federal Judge that was murdered by the looney tune.  

Do we need anymore proof that Republicans have no class??

OMG! With these dumass dem it is always something, is it not?
You would think they would be smart enough to just shut the hell up.

Whoa!

You gNOpigs should go all in and raffle an M2 !

No “real” ‘murkans could be caught with less than an AK47!

Her primary challenger, while entitled to the challenge, lacks party support. Hypothetical cousin Frankie Grammatico’s competitive submission of angry poetry to Big Drew for publication is less significant than T.C. publicly requesting folks to target Big Eddie… Unless purpose be the hard pressed servant of the hack.

Not with you posting, you shill.

Life goes on. Unless you are one of the libs murdered by a tea bagger in the last two years. Body count is near 100 if you include Norway. It’s time the libs start shooting back and defend themselves against the tea bagger terrorists.

I thought she was shot with a 9mm using a 30 round clip.

A .45 caliber and a 12 round clip is entirely different.

She can’t serve as congresswoman and she can’t control the radicals in her party, so it’s time for Giffords to step aside and let the district move ahead.

You should not publicize as you poorly philosophize.

The Dumbocrats are ALWAYS in an outrage about something…what would you expect from losers?  They are just pissed off they can’t play their “race card”….it was a white on white shooting.

You should never get in the way of your enemy as they shoot themselves in the foot.  The voters will remember this and other dumb moves by the Republicans and the Tbaggers. 

More GOP bright ideas please!!!

It’s not the gun that kills, it’s the person pulling the trigger.

You are truly an exceptional example of the depths of stupidity and ignorant indifference permitating the ranks of the Republicans. I say keep it up, you will find the rest of the country differs in it’s opinion.

The PCRP considered raffling off a kook or a terrorist but decided that would be in bad taste. 

More faux outrage from the democrats and Frances; no surprises.

Making mountains out of molehills again I see.

Good thing the peopel of AZ are a heck of a lot smarter than those making up stories to create a circumstance that simply doesn’t exist.

Pathetic attempt to tie Palin to this attack- but oh so typical of the level of BS thrown around by democrats.

Tea bagger Rick Perry knowingly executed an innocent man.

Only to a dumbfuK gNOpig like you the technical details matter.

Gabrielle Gifford is LUCKY to be alive, you muking foron.

Six other people ARE DEAD.

And you want to argue about calibers and clip capacity. You have to be a gNOpig.

A DEAD Federal Judge and a 9 year old girl are molehills to you gNOpigs?

Tell us, Tina from Tampa, do you own a gun?

A DEAD Federal Judge and a 9 year old girl are molehills to you gNOpigs?

Tell us, Tina from Tampa, do you own a gun?

What’s next? Outlaw guns in Texas because of the Ft. Hood shhotings.

If others HAD guns at the time in Ariz, maybe the shooter would have been stopped sooner, or even hesitant about starting

What’s next? Outlaw guns in Texas because of the Ft. Hood shhotings.

If others HAD guns at the time in Ariz, maybe the shooter would have been stopped sooner, or even hesitant about starting

it’s time to douche again, we can smell your stank.

How about this beaut?

“I said, ‘Now we’re both members of the Cracked Head Club,’ ” Biden is quoted as saying in The Boston Globe.

Hey genius, the article is about “gun model”. You can’t talk seriously about gun “models” without referring to calibers and clip capacity. Not to embarrass your ignorance of that little tidbit, skippy.

An AK47 sure would have put down that Ariz shooter!

Felix you cat turd. Yes you idiot. When someone pulls a gun in the middle of a crowd you automatically know who is the bad guy. Mabbe all teabagged ought to show up at town hall meetings packing openly.

Remember, Felix you stinky cat turd. If you so much sneeze, the teabaggeds are going to have you hanging from a tree.

Of all the stupid things you have said…

Musta been a Lib.

How many innocent men were murdered in the hoods in the last two years? Or do you only care when it is perceived to be done by “Tea baggers”, as you call them.

Get a life, man. And calm down. Why do you hate people who disagree with you?

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Yeah, right. Like Mad Maxine said: ‘The Tea Party can go straight to hell”. THAT was smart. Here’s another smart Democrat:

WISCONSIN DEMOCRAT ASSEMBLYMAN THREATENS TO KILL REPUBLICAN ASSEMBLYWOMANMarch 1, 2011 by I.M. Kane
During Friday’s legislative session, Wisconsin Democrat Assemblyman Gordon Hintz walked back and pointed at Republican Assemblywoman Michelle Litjens and said, “You are fucking dead!”“After we voted to engross the bill, the Democrats stood up; they were all screaming and hollering and throwing a fit. And Representative Hintz walked back—I sit in the back row behind all of the Democrats—and he pointed directly at me and said, ‘You are f’n dead!’”— said Michelle Litjens, Wisconsin Republican Assemblywoman

Cat turd,

“gun models” don’t kill people. They pack enough power to squish your eyeball or drive a pellet into your skin.

A .45 point blank will leave an exit wound the size of a cantaloupe.

Don’t even try to be so stupid to say guns don’t kill.

GUNS ARE DESIGNED TO KILL, you gNOPIG morons.

Raffling off a ‘similar’ gun is in bad taste.  Overblown reaction to it is also in bad taste.  After all, if you count the partisan causalities: the Democrat survived while the Republican died.  Perhaps county Republicans should hire better PR people and county Democrats should focus on their own fund raising activities.  

I don’t hate anyone.

I can laugh because morons, like you, pretend to have “opinions” I should respect.

Tell me again why, because Mrs. Gifford survived A FUCKNG SHOT TO THE HEAD with other 6 PEOPLE DEAD, I should give a pass to the gNOpigs.

Tell James Brady to get a life and calm down.

real americans don’t raffle off guns that were used to shoot a senator. Go back to  looking for obama’s birthcertificate bmg.

Down and out insensitive.  There’s really no other way to put it.

The tone of rhetoric has been raised to a point where any level Bipartisan work in Congress cannot be achieved. Gabrielle Giffords is the reminder of how far it can go left unchecked, but you have no interest in that do you?

…The end justifies the means and the goal. Keep going…I’m sure you’re right.

This country is still bigger than any one single party, no matter what the rhetoric.

5 other people ARE DEAD you moron.

Seems to me you would be happier if Mrs. Gifford would be dead too. To even YOUR score.

This is exactly the kind of reaction Farnces was hoping for.

This is not a story about who was killed, when…this is a story about a raffle.

You don’t like it, don’t buy a raffle ticket.
The democrats are just mad because therepublicans are raising money.
it is faux outrage all around.

These libs are so mental one actually believes the Republican party shot Giffords, another thinks the gun being raffled is the one used in that horrendous crime.

How do you expect us ” real ” Americans to deal with this level of psychosis….it would be impossible.

I forget, which party was the nine year old little girl?  Compared to what passes for a republican today, the judge would hardly qualify anymore.

Tell us again who is the “real” ahole ‘murkan brandishing a gun to show what a real ‘merkun he is.

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Rick-Perry-six-shooter-cropped-proto-custom_2-316×237.jpg

The glock raffle is actually good PR for republicans.

Republicans are sick and twisted.

I’m judging you on the content of your post and the language you chose to use. It was moronic. Nobody should be using Mrs Giffords the way you did.

It was disrespectful to a woman whose endured more than any here will ever experience.

Yes, the Texas republicans would be raffling off several Lee Harvey Oswald signature, vintage, imported Mannlicher-Carcano bolt action rifles

More manufactured outrage from democrats.  This is  a lot to do about nothing.  

Explain to us again WHY your gNOpig ilk are focused on who was killed, who survived, what caliber and what magazine was used.

Did you read the part about THREE 12 rounds magazines as part of the winning ticket?

36, THIRTY SIX .45 BULLETS GO TO THE WINNING GNOPIG.

The shooting had nothing to do with political rhetoric, checked or unchecked.  The defendant is a psycho.  That’s what it had to do with.

IF, and i’m just saying IF here, if you knew anything about American history, you’d know that ‘militia’ showing up “packing” at Town Halls were part of the founding of this great country and subsequently led to the creation of the 2nd Admendment. So, no, I have NO PROBLEM with folks showing up armed at Town Hall meetings.

and as far as hanging goes, your Democratic Party sure have a history of hanging blacks from a tree. But, again, that would assume that you knew something about our history.

Let’s ban knives while you’re at it. Don’t you DARE say that knives don’t kill!

and don’t get me started on how many innocent people are killed by cars in this country…oughtta ban them mohickeys, too! Let’s start with foreign-made “models”, while you’re at it….

P.S. .. am I supposed to be upset that you call me “cat turd”?… just asking

Let’s ban knives while you’re at it. Don’t you DARE say that knives don’t kill!

and don’t get me started on how many innocent people are killed by cars in this country…oughtta ban them mohickeys, too! Let’s start with foreign-made “models”, while you’re at it….

P.S. .. am I supposed to be upset that you call me “cat turd”?… just asking

I know this may confuse you, but I’d actually be happiest if nobody had died.   

kooks and terrorists kill, guns don’t.

6 PEOPLE DEAD,

including a REPUBLICAN Federal Judge, a 9 year old girl, are NOTHING to you gNOpigs.

Go ahead and tell the bystanders who finally subdued the murderous fuk they did NOTHING.

6 PEOPLE DEAD,

including a REPUBLICAN Federal Judge, a 9 year old girl, are NOTHING to you gNOpigs.

Go ahead and tell the bystanders who finally subdued the murderous fuk they did NOTHING.

spend your time “checking” Maxine Waters and other black caucus members who recently used incendiary rhetoric..

Are you serious, grand prize in a raffle is a gun? You guys are insane, honestly. While I can understand having a gun in the home, under lock and key for self-defense, to actually want to walk around, with a firearm?? Somehow, I don’t think that’s in the spirit of what your fore-fathers meant. Especially the automatic weapons and machine guns…overkill, much?

Cat turd,

Did you know BLACK SLAVES were forbidden to own fire weapons?

Who and why would agree to that?

In case you haven’t noticed, most of the gNOpigs around this site talk monumental BS about BLACK people.

Yet you still defend them.

Put your helmet on, the short-bus is waiting for your.

Um, I believe it’s the same manufacturer, not the same model.  Giffords was shot with a Glock 19 9mm.  Fact-checking is a good thing, you guys should try it.

As to it being insensitive, you can depend that any attempt to run against Giffords for any reason will be considered “offensive” and “insensitive” by the Pima County Democratic Party.

Thank you for bring some class and honor. It is sick and shameful how a person like Barack Must Go would twist his or her sickness into an argument for something so indefensible. Disgusting.

I’m unclear how receiving a gun in a raffle prevents it being kept under lock and key if that’s what you want.  After all, if you win, it’s your gun.

It’s not that abnormal for that part of the country (Ariz, Texas, Utah, etc.. Kinda like some of the “stuff” that goes on in your neck of the woods (Canada?) might not fly in mine. Just like Dems in southern Alabama might see things a weeeee bit different than Dems in Seattle country.

I guess I just don’t understand winning an actual gun in a lottery…you know, something designed to kill someone with? Just seems strange to me.

What does the make and model of the handgun have to do with anything? It was an insane person pulling the trigger. This issue is not about the particular weapon used, it’s about gun control, and another bogus argument to attack the 2nd Amendment. Why aren’t they going after the people who allowed an obviously deranged person to obtain a gun? Laws are already in place, why aren’t they using them?

So what she lived through it, who cares!

yep, not a peep from some of the same Libs when Obama supporter James Hoffa recently said  ‘Wipe These People Out’. Yet after the Ariz shooting, they condemned Sarah Palin’s “Bullseye”. Go figure.

Yeah, I can understand that…different strokes for different folks and all that. 

 Dont know where you got that Tea party people murdered others…But maybe in your ill-informed world people who are against spending and want to balance our countries budget are hateful and want to murder for fiscal responsibility.. 

By the way the Arizona shooter was done by a man who before was a registered democrat and railed against Bush!. 
The fort hood shooter was muslim and killed for his religion and stated many times as praising Obama. 

I also know that slaves were considered nonhuman back in those times, so why would they be allowed guns. Fortunately, we have progressed beyond that in this country. I also know that those same slaves were probably captured and enslaved and sold by other Africans in Africa. Unfortunately, some of that is still going on in places like Sudan. But, I guess your concern is only with black slaves in American history.

I don’t spend my time trying to manage others’ freedom of speech, racist or non-racist. However, their rights end where mine begin, and it is hard for racist posters to infringe upon my rights via a comment board. If I were looking for racists to “beat up” on, you can find them every day, and in all colors.

Racism, like love and hate, will be around as long as there are human beinings. You can’t FORCE someone to like you if they don’t, for whatever their reason or logic.

Yup. I noticed that, too. In fact, I’m pretty sure that if Crazy Guy had used the .45 instead of the 9mm, Giffords would be dead. If Crazy Guy could handle the higher recoil, that is.

You are sick.

Cat turd, I know you are playing stupid.

Allow me to drag your sorry arse on the floor again.

A knife does NOT carry the deathly punch of a bullet.

Take a stab or a gun shot, then tell us which kills faster.

Obviously you are too stupid to understand that a bullet can be fired from far away while a knife has to be used TO KILL in hand to hand fighting.

There is an infamous scene in one of the Indiana Jones movies.  One idiot is flinging a 3 foot long machete, then Indiana shoots him in the middle of the eyes.

Again, in case you missed the message. Both WEAPONS are DESIGNED TO KILL.
And obviously, a GUN is the better weapon.

A gun is NOT designed to save lives. GUNS are DESIGNED TO KILL.

KILL A  SQUIRREL. OR KILL AN ELEPHANT. OR KILL ANOTHER HUMAN 300 METERS AWAY.

yep, you gun-loving repukes know no bounds on bad taste, and blatant bigotry and corruption. Hmmm. . I wonder if it was the gun used tp kill your mother and 11 yr. old daughter, would you be so gracious.  Let’s hope someone doesn’t buy this gun and uh, shoot someone else. . . . .

so what are the repukes paying you to post inflammatory posts?  I guess some scumbags will do anything for a buck.

I want all of you conservative nut-cases who believe that all liberals want to take your gun away to see that you are proven wrong. The Giffords do keep a handgun in their home and do believe in the Second Amendment.

We liberals are not all lock-step in everything, and gun control is one area where you will find a lot of leeway. It probably is regional, as some have already pointed out.

As for me, I do think it is in very bad taste to raffle a handgun. I would not buy a ticket for that. I want them to raffle a Winchester Model 94 rifle, but that, with similar accessories, would cost them about twice as much as the Glock does. They are cheapskates!

If you look at ..Should we not raffle off cars? or use airplanes? both these items were used by crazy people to kill thousands of other people? You cant blame the guns and not the people. Guns are mechanical no brain or intent inside of them…. There should be a ban on clip size though. No need for a 30 round clip!  Blame the loony people not the guns! Having a Gun has saved my innocent people from very bad situations!

In that case buy a ticket……..ass

No one would pay for that kind of crap. He just wants your attention, and you gave it to him.

I was going to buy a raffle ticket for a new car.  Then I realized that the same model car was involved in a fatal  accident.  How could I even think about buying a ticket after that!!!!!

If you knew your history you’d know that southern Democrats (ESPECIALLY IN TEXAS) were the ones “assumed” be involved in Kennedy’s assassination. Even JFK’s wife thought that! JFK was not as loved within his own party as current day Libs would like you to think. Oswald was a lib. His wife was a “New Democratic Party” member.

Is it the very-gun that shot and killed those people in Arizona? If it is, you have an argument, if not, your just spouting inflammatory-nonsense!

Keep drinking your liberal/progressive/socialist kooladie.  It’s getting you and our country nowhere.

BTW: Did you know that the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists, who blame guns (and NOT people) for deaths, also blame spoons for oprah’s fatness.  YES, they do – and, of course, they want to BAN SPOONS to protect us from the horror of fatness (or is that “oprahness”).

Didn’t you hear, they came up with a bogus one!

What doe clip size have to do with it? It takes only two-seconds to change clips. If I want 50 rounds, I carry 5, 10rd clips.

Why the outrage!  I’m going to take aim (no “gun” ref intended) at something:

The outrage is almost equal to all the national outrage from those on the left who blasted (no “gun” ref intended) members of the Congressional Black Cacus (CBC) for their fire-powered (no “gun” ref intended),  incendiary remarks about “rope” and “trees.”  Of course, rope should be outlawed and all trees cut-down. 

Oh, by the way, Giffords is a “Blue Dog” and was not totally on target (no “gun” ref intended) with the democratic agenda and that of the CBC, but she was zeroed-in (no “gun” ref intended) with most of her district’s residents.

I hope my comments are in the range (no “gun” ref intended) of today’s “civil” discourse!

Yep, and if any political party would be stupid enough to pay people to post in comment sections on the internet it would be at sites like the New York Times, Wall Street Journal etc.  Not a place like Mediaite (no offense to Mediaite)

You are such a cruel person.

No gov executes people.  That punishment is “done” by judges and juries.  Clemency boards review all death penalty cases. Most govs, by law, follow board recomendations. 

I thought this was about a raffle.  Why do you have to blow up a bonehead prize into World War 3.  Your passion is sorely misplaced.

Guns are designed to kill people, who want to kill, or subjugate you. The law, and commonsense are pretty clear on this issue. It’s only when people like you try to twist the issue with a non-issue that the picture becomes clouded.  

Actually it is just a matter of respect.  It is to close in time from the shooting.  Five years from now it would be no big deal.  Of course you might not understand what the word respect even means.

I agree.  It just show what kind of people they are.  I hope others are remembering all of this for the next election.

I agree with your “in bad taste” argument.

drink bleach, it will end your pain…

I think it odd that a Republican like you would actually bring up and even make up stories about the association of either of these shooters who weren’t known to have any association with a particular political party – only to disregard TIMOTHY MCVEIGH.

Republicans act as though Democrats don’t own guns.  We do.  We have just been responsible gun owners.  Until now.  Now, it appears we are going to have to go to war using them…against republicans.

This isn’t a reference, it’s a real gun, Einstein.

Our fore-fathers could never have invisioned the type of fire power people supposedly need for self protection today.  The British would have been gone in two days if the revolutionary army had 31 round Glocks.

Sorry, “Well…et al,” but I can’t figure out the antecedent to the first pronoun in your sentence. 

But, since I am “Einstein,” I should be able to, but there’s really no clear antecedent.

I am of no party just want eliminate poverty and stop the dependance on the government! 
I voted for Bush and Obama… But Timothy McVeigh was not a Tea Party person. Dont think his mind was on fiscal responsibility when he bombed… 
But He does belong in the category of crazy people… 

So you will therefore be blaming Obama for Kennedy’s assasination? This could be the next hot republican obama conspiracy theory.

You dont own a gun do you? 
If your a gun owner whether hunting or home safety, if you cant hit your target within 10 rounds you should not have a gun… 
Even as you state ( a 2 second change of clip )… that 2 seconds a lot can happen…. I rather have that multiple 2 seconds advantage then a wall of fire from a crazy person.

good point.  by the way 40,000 people a year die in car accidents!

In other top stories, the sun rose today, Michael Moore got kicked out of a buffet for hogging the deep-fried pork chops and John Kerry had a Botox treatment. 

How is this news?  Let me know when the GOP does something, anything, that DOESN’T outrage Democrats. They throw more fits than a bus load of cranky two-year-olds.

glocks suck.  it should have been a beretta. now that’s a nine

You and your liberal friends are never going to stop flogging this shooting for political gain.

Shame.

and don’t forget the tea partier’s are racist

Keep the hate and spin alive.

Keep the hate and spin alive.

It’s NOT the GUN, you Liberal MORONS, it’s the PERSON using the damn thing!

How many Liberal Democrats (Blacks and Hispanics) are killed by EACH OTHER – DAILY – in the BLUE state of California – in the Democrat congressional district of, say, Maxine Waters?

Now, I don’t relish in their deaths, but to BLAME THE GUNs (and EXCUSE the PERSON committing the crime) is LUNACY!

THE ONLY REASON Governments EVER want GUNS out of the hands of the citizens, is so that they (the citizens) CANNOT defend themselves against a tyanical Government!

HOW LONG do you think WE, THE PEOPLE, are going to stand by and watch $14.3 TRILLION in debt CONTINUE TO GROW (day after day, month after month, year after year – with NO END IN SIGHT)?

Don’t pretend you don’t get moist over “black on black” violence!

come on down to tucson. we’re always looking for good conservatives

i view it more as a way to protect your family with.

if anything good has come out of this is the fact that conceiled carry permits
tripled and gun sales doubled here in tucson since january

People need that kind of firepower today because criminals are using that kind of firepower to commit murders, robberies, assaults and other crimes, and the police are not omnipresent or fast enough in response to prevent the shootings.

Your argument is not considering the real world, and your fantasy about 31 round Glocks is too. Sure you can buy high capacity magazines but they are not reliable enough to stake your life on.

Typical liberal overreaction for the sake of drama. When you are ready to be in the real world let me know.

No, the “teas” aren’t the ignorant ones. They just refer to “tea” sites for all information and are stupid enough to believe that the other side can’t produce the same against them in spades.

That judgment coming from you is indeed ridiculous.

That judgment coming from you is indeed ridiculous.

Do you really think you can’t google the “tea” hate rhetoric? Clownish!

That judgment coming from you is indeed ridiculous.

now you’re talkin!

For being proud of your posts, I’ve never seen such a clown. Google gun to knife accidental deaths, no… wait you can only go to ‘tea” sites. So cars were invented to hunt, protect or kill. What a moron.

Listen to yourself. They do and did.

If more people had guns “maybe” the shooter would have been stopped earlier or “maybe” more people would have been killed in the crossfire.

I think you just made his head explode.

That makes about as much sense, doesn’t it?

Yeah, you could use a few there.

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Maybe I’m being dense here, but it seems that he just made a case for assault weapons whether he intended to or not.

Raffling a gun is not an endorsement of shooting a Democrat. But, you can’t reason with irrational people.

Like I said, manufactured outrage.

Nice to know I have to check with you for what a “real” American is.

Moron….

OK. You are sick too.

Are you threatening to take up arms against the government? You say the government is too big and too powerful and doesn’t listen to the people any more? Then go ahead and join a communist party. There are three or four of them in the USA, and at least one of them says exactly what you say about government.

By the way, be sure to buy an Apache helicopter and a couple of Abrams tanks so you can really stand up.

I guess the Libtards would be happier with a fully automatic AK 47

Don’t these whining liberals have some racists to look for under their beds?

A Glock .45 Pistol is one of, if not the most popular pistols, on the market today.  But,  by moaning and whining that somehow the raffle coupled with this pistol as the prize, is related to Rep Gifford, just gives the Liberal propagandist’s something to be indignant about.  Again!  LOL

Typically, the Liberal’s seldom fail to disappoint!  How do Liberals survive knowing that evil lurks in everything from a grain of salt to a handgun.  Oh the tragedy.  Were Shakespeare alive today he would write plays about mystified and troubled Liberals, who yearn for attention but, alas, are only mocked, ohh the humanity…

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I think Tommy here is off his rocker….just sayin’…

oh boy – you are really one looney toon.

wow.

what a nut!

Is that you, Patrick? Out of the asylum for the  weekend?

My God man!!!  You’re an ignorant SOB!!

Are these the same sorry liberals who screamed for civil discourse after the Gifford shooting?

36? Is that all?

BTW the term is mentally ill and not psycho. Mental  illnesses are just as much illnesses as physical ones.  Plus there is the issue of stigma that can and does cause unfair discrimination in housing, higher education and employment.  Most persons with mental illnesses with the right treatment, support are stable.  I am a disability advocate. Do you think if he received the right psychiatric treatment this terrible incident where several people were murdered and others severely injured including Rep.Gifford wouldn’t of happened.  Many people with mental illness fall through the “cracks” and don’t get the help they desperately need.  Plus if Medicaid , the US health insurance that most people with psychiatric illnesses is severely cut, I predict, more people who are psychiatric diagnosed will fall through the cracks.

The gun used in the shooting was a 9mm… not a .45cal. Get your facts straight Mediaite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The gun used in the shooting was a 9mm… not a .45cal. Get your facts straight Mediaite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Good grief.. “Musta been a lib”.  Perry knowingly executed an innocent man.. so what you’re saying is that killing 1 innocent makes up for all the other innocents killed on the streets?   Hey.. you forgot your robe and hood.. the cross burning parade starts at sunset.

Government agencies have been known to manufacture or ignore evidence used in Capitol crimes cases just to get a conviction..  Just ask the Dallas County DA.  The Innocence Project has gotten more innocent people off death row from this county’s corrupt prosecutors than anywhere in the country. 

Nice to know you don’t have anything constructive or interesting to say.

Ive been ready for a long time. its clear the right is only interested in defending the racist whites in this country. they keep pushing but its not 1964 anymore…the push back is gonna be painful. im ready to bring the WHOLE place down. ive worked all my life, never taken any public money and now im losing my job while the rich and their minions party…lets go brother.

ive seen the videos of the pee party on youtube and what a mess of humanity. a complete waste of good organs. a strange breed that fights for its masters( the rich) while their jobs go overseas because of wall street. they just cant put it together they are cutting their own throats.  tell me one thing john boner has done or attempted to do for the middle class that benefits them. nobody can answer that, only stupid right wing one liners, thats all your argument is. i hope if one of the jesus freaks become prez they continue to finish the job of destroying this country, wwjd??? what a joke

 Raffling the gun is an endorsement of it’s capabilities, usefulness, reliability, etc. the only thing the GOP are upset with is Giffords lived. Of course they would auction it off and the whole time praying it will be used for mass murder of liberals.
       See there’s the difference liberals want to save the planet, the GOP can’t wait for the apocalypse. Liberals want to help the poor and down trodden, the GOP wants them in sweatshops. Liberals want all to have good healthcare the GOP prefer India’s version sick, no money, go die. Liberals want employers to give fair wage and benefits, the GOP prefers the landowner serf system where if the serf you can be treated however the landowner decides.

I have no interest in rhetoric, ABSOLUTELY no interest whatsoever. My interest lies in genuine policy, which has the ability to get things done and achieved for the country. 

TV/Radio Pundits are making ton off what some politicians are prepared to speak foolishly, without weighing the consequences. Unfortunately, the First Amendment doesn’t seem to come with bearing responsibility. Hence people, then say whatever they like, as long as it keeps the fake circus controversy going and the dollars coming in. 

All it ever really does, is regurgitate old dead hatreds…in every respect, from people who should know better, but eagerly choose otherwise. It’s what you get with a lazy 24hr news cycle and the grand unwillingness to be properly informed.

I don’t blame the guns, as much, as I blame the stupidity of the people that go with it.

LOL, 

That’s pretty funny, I wish I would have come up with it.  The Lefty’s do have everything backwards, or, was it upside down?  Ouch!

Purveyor

Plato wrote in his “Republic,” of “Philosopher Kings.”  An ultra ruling class that were superior, thus privileged over the masses.  

This concept is what concerns those of us who fear a diminution of the second amendment.  Moreover, that fear extends beyond “the right to keep and bear arms,” rather, all liberty and law that will be in the hands of the “Philosopher KIngs.”  Ergo, we, citizens will have various privileges only at the whim or caprice of those Kings?

So too will the Kings have the capacity to defend themselves, as they make the rules.  While we who serve the King’s remain defenseless.

NO, DEVIL, your attempts to alleviate my fears leave me empty, as history is replete with such unfulfilled assurances.

Purveyor 

Tedderman, do you find it amazing that there are so many RWNJ’s making comments that completely lack anything constructive, informational or intelligent on this site..??

You sir are a paid hack.  

I cannot remember was the young child shot to death in the assassination attempt on Gabby a ‘Lib’ or a ‘real American?’

Washington, it turns out, was in favor of a ruling elite system. He did not trust the rabble.

The great philosopher, Robert A. Heinlein, in his epic treatise, Glory Road, had a similar discussion about the merits of having a ruling class vs. allowing full democracy. The protagonist, a Vietnam war vet, won the debate with the comment that true democracy allows a good leader to rise up from the masses, while the establishment of a ruling class necessarily limits the possibility of finding that great leader. 

If you believe that our system is so fragile that it could easily be subverted by Soros or by the Koch brothers,
then by all means buy as many guns and as much ammo as you can afford. Also buy survival supplies because you will have to go into hiding for a while.

Meanwhile, I will enjoy my comforts and my trust that our system is much, much more robust than you give it credit for. Could it be that I am more patriotic (faith in my country) than you? I hope not.

“They could have changed the prize to an iPad or a set of golf clubs…”

Or they could leave the prize as something people ACTUALLY want, such as a firearm.

Giffords is sensible??  Wasn’t she the the representitive who went to Afganistan and asked Gen. Petraus what he was doing over there to reduce the troops carbon footprint?

If that isn’t a left wing wacko question, I don’t know what is!

I like guns.  iPads are just porn machines.

Hmm, my take on history is a bit different from yours:  For instance, George Washington was very much a proponent of the new “Republic,” which contained democratic portions.  Furthermore, General Washington was offered the “Monarchy,” 3 times when he finally convinced his supporters that the revolution was not fought simply to replace one evil for another.

Robert Heinlein, the noteworthy Science fiction writer, juxtaposed with Plato?  By simply comparing who came first, I’d have to say Plato had an effect on Heinlein, not the opposite?  Regardless, I too appreciate that SOME science fiction writers achieve the status of “prescient philosopher.”  Arthur Clark,  Ray Bradbury, Frank Hebert, and Heinlein among them.

Lastly, America is NOT a democracy, the Founding Fathers deliberately took direct democratic power out of the hands of the masses.  They even included an electoral college, so worried were they that the mob could not be trusted.  The only portion of Government that was originally democratically elected was the House of Representatives.

As for your somewhat cavalier disregard of history and the lessons contained therein, such is your prerogative.  Perhaps, history is not your strong suit?  Ouch!

Purveyor

Are you only trying to get attention by saying something, um, foolish?

The Glock in question was/is .45, not a 9mm.  You do appreciate the difference?

Beretta makes a fine weapon, so too does Glock.  Then there is the grand Daddy of them all, the Colt 1911 .45 (Which I own )

Beretta is a heavier weapon than the Glock which is why the Glock makes a fine Police Duty Weapon.  American troops have been unhappy with the stopping power of the 9mm Beretta for years.

Then again, the Marines and FBI Hostage Rescue. etc. have gone back to the 1911…LOL  There is a timeless cachet about John Brownings masterpiece.

Purveyor

Please define what you think constitutes an assault weapon. If you are needing clarification, the BATFE and US military define weapons in this class are select fire, which means capable of semi and full automatic fire, shoulder fired, and they are in a rifle caliber. The capacity of the magazine is not mentioned.

The high capacity pistol magazines – or extended length magazines like the 31 round Glock magazine do not make that pistol and assault weapon. Those magazines are not intended for combat use and are mainly used for competition shooting.

You being a Canadian are apparently misinformed about the possession of automatic weapons in the United States. There is a very strict policy regarding this, it is call the National Firearms Act. Under NFA there is a specific procedure for an individual to own this type of weapon, and you have to have a squeaky clean record to be considered by the BATFE for the permit. Some states do not allow for individual possession of fully automatic or select fire arms and in those states the NFA and BATFE rules do not apply since the state law supersedes any federal law or regulation here in the USA.

There is nothing insane about this, it is very tightly regulated despite what you see on television or what gun control advocates promote as propaganda. Is the prize a bad idea? Probably. Would I encourage this kind of insensitive behavior? Absolutely not.

As a Canadian you have to remember that you guys lost your gun possession rights. We in the USA cherish our rights to possess arms and bear them if necessary to protect life and limb. Those of us responsible law abiding Americans do not want to suffer the same way your government make you defenseless against an armed person invading your home intent on harming who ever is unlucky enough to be down range of their weapon.  

Oh really “THE ONLY REASON Governments EVER want GUNS out of the hands of the
citizens, is so that they (the citizens) CANNOT defend themselves
against a tyrannical Government!” So it wouldn’t have anything to do with gun related crime?
      I have many guns Ruger .338mag, Ruger M77 220 Swift, Weatherby 7mm mag, Remington model 700 .270, Belgian Browning 12 gauge, 7.65 Mab Brevete Pistolet Automatique Model D nickel plated with mother of pearl handle, Montgomery Wards .22, Winchester Model 88 .284, Marlin papoose .22, Sako 25.06, Smith & Wesson Model 649 .357mag. I have hunted and target shot my whole life I even ran hounds Tenessee Mountain Cur, Plot,Walker, Red Bone, Catahoula, and Blue tick. Never in my life have I needed 4 shots let alone 30 at the range I generally load 1 shot at a time and check placement with a spotting scope after every shot. So the point myself and many of my friends make is why do you need a 30 shot clip, an assault rifle and it would be very easy to write laws which could be interpreted as nothing other than an assault rifle. I realize this is an inconvenience to those Adults who want to run around and play army man but oh well to save all the kids killed every year Police cost money and to stem the violence you would need in many cities 4 cops per block 24/7  which would cost billions.That doesn’t take the guns already out there off the street but it makes it less of am uphill battle. Severe penalties for gun  crimes and make  non violent drug offenders not punished with jail. Many of these individuals ARE supporting their families and when they go to prison the state takes over.

You really dont know much about guns do you?   In fact, after reading much of what you have written, you dont know much about anything.  So if guns are designed to kill,  why dont they all do it?   I have 4 at the moment and not one of them has killed anyone or anything,  but should I need to protect my home and my family,  I WILL< USING ONE OF THEM, I WILL KILL WHAT EVER THREAT IS THERE.  No gun has ever stood up and determined to kill anyone   NEVER and never will.  Some one has to pick it up and determine to KILL someone IF that gun is to be used.  You need to learn that.  And before guns there were bows and arrows and spears and swords and knives and clubs and rocks.  Get a grip on reality or consider keeping your trash to yourself.

You are just one messed up guy and for some reason you sound a lot like the killer who shot the senator.  Just full of hate.   So be it, but your a sick person and you should seek help.  Really, you are.

I think the whole nation is looking for “good” conservatives.  They’re awfully hard to find.

Just out of curiosity….how many of the posters calling the democrats whiners and crybabies over this seemingly insensitive gun raffle were against the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” claiming it was a symbol of Muslim victory on 9/11?

The point being…perception is important.  I’m all for (responsible) gun-ownership as well as the right to fund raise, but I’ve got to agree with the Democrats on this one.  Raffling a Glock while families are still grieving is a bit short-sighted.  Go for the golf clubs or iPad this year, and shelve the Glock for another one.

Sir, CACONSERVATIVE, makes an excellent point.  I’d just like to add that you are a typical example of how the Liberal mentality plays “emotional hopscotch,” (to coin a phrase) with the facts and reality.

Purveyor

Good Point!

I agree, (wonders never cease) that comment by David T was a bit callous.  

Curiously, The Representative and her husband were/are pro second amendment.  Now comes their personal test of “neutral principle?”

Stay in Canada!  Don’t ever deign to criticize ANYTHING about America or ANYTHING America has ever done.

Any Nation, (Canada) that has “Human Rights Tribunal,” which is anything but, had better clean up its own house first.  Specifically, I refer too the way Ms. Coulter was treated, even threatened with arrest for giving a presentation, while subversive radicals can shout, wave signs and throw rocks and generally spew any hatred they so choose, with impunity.

As long as America honors the 1st amendment, anyone else, Canadians included, are at least SECOND BEST!

So there!

Our forefathers did ENVISION the future, very much so.  That is why the Constitution is sometimes referred too as “The Miracle at Philadelphia.”  The document is timeless,

The preamble to Declaration of Independence speaks of “Unalienable rights,” “self evident truths.” Oh yes, our forefathers saw deep into the future, thus ensuring the citizenry would always have the tools to maintain LIBERTY.

Purveyor

Phil,

One item that has slipped by in this discussion is the basis, the reason for the inclusion of a 2nd Amendment?

Back in 1776, there was the odd Highway man, or, marauding Indian, requiring that any traveler, farmer, or frontier family be heavily armed.

Moreover, The 2nd amendment was about “TYRANNY!”  The Founder’s were only a generation or two removed from Europe and State Sponsored Tyranny, and disarming of the KIngs Subjects, particularly the lower classes.

I watch the News every day, and see shades of “tyranny,” more and more so, don’t you?

Purveyor

It is somewhat like Burial vs. Cremation.  I find cremation pragmatic and you might find it disrespectful.

Conservatives honor their forefathers and beloved friends and relatives without getting maudlin about it, and then running around trying to change the law so that is illegal for 90 year olds, to die of old age?  The Liberal is a constant do gooder: 

 ”Be reasonable, do it my way!”  LOL

Purveyor

“Sick and shameful?”  I’ve been reading your posts for a month or so.  ”Judge not, lest ye be judged?” LOL

Purveyor

I do not support guns as raffle items, but this is not unusual or new.  Currently, there is a fire station in Delaware that has this raffle going all summer.  There was no uproar about that.  I am sure if someone looked into this closer they would find this all over the country.  

Yes. As Washington wished it to be. There is a difference between establishing an elite class and calling it a monarchy system. Not much of one, I admit, but still a slight one. The most obvious example of separating “the masses” from the election of the top tier in politics is the electoral college. In theory, we select people from the elite who then “select” the president. Even senators were not elected directly by “the people” at first, no?

As for Washington turning down the chance to be king, I think he really was against having another monarchy, but he might have been more tempted if he had had an heir to pass the monarchy on to. He had no children of his own, only step-children. (I’m not saying that was THE reason, of course.)

Of course Heinlein did not present an idea that had never been thought of before. I was merely playing with the reference to a more modern writer.

I am not cavalier.  I am a realist and slightly cynical, but not cavalier. The one thing I will constantly resist is a claim that all of our founding fathers were in agreement on anything. They had significant differences in their opinions and attitudes, ranging from practically atheist to deeply religious in a particular form of Christianity, and from desiring a new king to preferring near anarchy.

You, on the other hand, seem to have an idolatry towards a standardized founding father who could do no wrong, make no mistake, and prophets of biblical proportions. I specifically state that since all Amendments to the Constitution were add in accordance with the provisions of the constitution, they are valid, they superceede the “sacred words of the founders,” and they can only be “ignored” by having them recinded by the same mechanisms that made them valid.

Stop being stuck in past centuries and live for the present and the future.

If the weak minded democrats/progressives/socialists get in an uproar because the GOP raffles off the same brand of hand gun that was used to shoot one person, they should be MAD AS H3LL that there are DOZENS of innocent Americans killed by ILLEGAL ALIENS every year and by the same logic they use, HUSSEIN OBAMA is responsible for EVERY ONE OF THE DEATHS because of his dictatorial back door AMNESTY that he is enforcing, allowing these future MURDERS to stay here!

How DARE FORD, CHRYSLER and CHEVROLET continue to sell the same brand of vehicles that are used to accidentally or intentionally kill THOUSANDS every year!!!!!

The HYPOCRISY of the left takes your breath away!!!!

The libs see their NON ideas and their NON thinking going down in flames EVERYWHERE and react like crying baby’s! The general public is awakening and finally beginning to pay attention to your ways and they do not like them! Get used to it!

Wow, you must be a MAN with a BIG bulge in your pants !!!

Arizonians must have snorted too much sand over the years, as they don’t realize how wacky they are in raffling off handguns !?  Handguns ? Jeez…dumbo-state

The exact definition of an assault weapon is irrelevant to what I said. I was just pointing out that Tedderman stated that the British would have been wiped out in two days if the colonists had those kinds of weapons during the Revolution, and it seemed as though that made a good case for being allowed to have assault weapons.

I own several guns. A right I have under the second Amendment. Ever wonder why the founders felt so strongly about the citizens protecting themselves, that they felt it necessary to make that second on their list of Amendments?

What hate and spin are you talking about?

Yea, imagine that, a State that thinks they have a right to protect themselves? How dare they!!

That’s right they better remove those rocket launchers and machine guns, wait they don’t come with those well then how do these deaths occur? Drunk driving accidents, driver error (probably a GOP driver), mechanical failure, and the very least someone using their vehicle as a weapon. So your argument is invalid.I am sure they knew exactly what gun was used and if they didn’t know why are they even touching any weapon if they can’t tell one from another. This raffle was on purpose with full knowledge that it could disturb the victims and their relatives they wanted to watch Christina-Taylor Green’s parents squirm they like that.

Past post. If “tea”,… it’s  denied anyway.

You are the biggest IDIOT of all Obama has had MORE illegals deported than George “the brain” Bush. How many AMERICANS were KILLED in Bush’s wars where’s the WMD’s how about him outing a spy, ignoring intelligence Al Qaeda was going to strike. If you are going to be blame one President for illegals you better be blaming them all including the traitor Ronald Reagan: traded weapons for hostages with IRAN, imported cocaine received from contras for our weapons.

If brain matter was C4 you would be unable to blow your nose.

did you expect anything different from this state?

Don’t worry pal, I plan on staying here, much safer…also, my house, pension, and health-care are safe from a predatory government who doesn’t give a crap about me as well, so there you go. Enjoy learning Mandarin or Cantonese to please your future owners.

 How long are Dems going to exploit the Gifford shooting?..the first day of the shooting they tried to use it to blame Palin,then they demanded for civility which feel apart in about a week when Dems got back to bashing the Tea Party again,then they used her as a prop during the dept ceiling vote and now their trying to claim Giffords seat in Congress is off limits and no one can run against Her…listen it sucks that She got shot but you can’t keep hiding behind her in political battles.

“The Pima County Republican Party is raffling off a copy of the same gun used in the Giffords attack”

False.

The Pima County Republican Party of Tucson, Arizona, should thank the local news media for making their gun raffle a success — by misidentifying what the gun was and just what the event was. The controversy was stirred by a media that does not know the difference between a Glock 19 and a Glock 23 or for that matter, an auction from a raffle. The news media made it seem as though Republicans were selling the very gun Jared Loughner used to shoot Gabrielle Giffords in a rampage in which he killed six people and wounded 13 others.

The controversy began when the former Republican county party chairman, Brian Miller, protested the raffle and told TMZ: “There’s a woman who has a bullet in the brain and who everybody is wishing a full recovery. I don’t think that raffling off a firearm right now is probably the right way to go.”

For some strange reason, TMZ headlined its story: “Tucson Republican Leader Slams County GOP For Giffords Gun Raffle.”

This led people to hysteria among the media. From Politico: “Pima County Repubs Raffle Glock As Fundraiser; Same Gun Type Used In Tucson Shooting.”

From the New York Daily News: “GOPers in Gabrielle Gifford district to auction gun similar to one used in Congresswoman’s shooting.”

The trouble is it is a raffle, not an auction — and a different model. (Oh and it is Giffords, not Gifford.) 

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/41629

TTF, I’m Texan, but not a lawyer. As I understand Texas law, our governor normally follows the board’s recommendation — but has the right to rule differently.

That’s not to say that Perry knowingly sent an innocent man to his death. What is beyond dispute is that when the controversy grew to the point there was an investigation in progress that looked to be going south for Perry, he abruptly fired the head of the review board and stopped any further activity by it.

Without benefit of legal training, as best as I can tell, the Governor’s argument in this case is legally sound — in the narrowest possible, hair-splitting technical sense. It reminds me of a case dismissed at the federal level a year or two ago. At the time the man appealing had been sentenced, DNA evidence wasn’t available. And it did not become available until *after* the deadline for him to challenge his conviction. As I understood press reports, new DNA evidence proved the man was innocent beyond any reasonable scientific doubt. Yet the federal bench dismissed it because the defendant, indeed, had not filed before the legal deadline had passed. Legally correct — but completely devoid of JUSTICE.

Gorgegirl, I don’t know if you’ve seen my replies to you elsewhere, but mostly I’ve agreed with you. However, this is an instance in which I strongly believe you aren’t just not contributing to the conversation, but actually throwing up barriers to it. That’s the kind of talk I would expect you (based on most of your other comments that I’ve read) to DAMN — not to echo.

Ma’am, I’ve known plenty of Republicans (and Democrats, and Independents, etc.) who were/are responsible gun owners, peaceful, not inclined to strap on their big irons to attend town hall meetings nor to mutter darkly about “Second Amendment solutions.” And most were appalled at the shooting that left a number of people dead — including a little girl — and Rep. Gifford’s seriously wounded, possibly permanently impaired, though the jury’s still out on that question.

The kind of comment you made here is the kind of talk that in the days of the Old West would have led to a “showdown at the O.K. Corral” situation. That kind of talk will just enrage Republicans and Tea Party adherents, just as you apparently have been enraged by some of the threatening, asinine comments SOME of them — but not ALL of them — make. Most of your comments suggest you are a highly intelligent person. If so, surely you can see that you are sinking to the lowest possible level with your threat to use your gun against Republicans.

Look, Gorgegirl: I’m from Texas, a state on which the GOP has an iron grip, including, in my case, in Congress. My Representative and one Senator are Tea-Party supported Republicans, and the other Senator is also Republican, but comparatively more moderate than those two, but whose also retiring at the end of her current term so kind of irrelevant. And despite the fact I’ve voted in favor of Republican candidates and causes some 70-80% of the time over the decades, I’m pretty much completely exasperated with the current crop — officeholders, candidates, and causes. But I see absolutely NO plus to threatening violence.

Speak against them, by all means, when you disagree — but take the high road, Ma’am, when you do so. There are exceptions — just a few minutes ago I responded to another commentator on another thread who wandered completely off the reservation to sarcastically say that anyone “in his right mind” doesn’t believe in global warming. Regardless of once view of global warming, such views had nothing whatsoever to do with the story. In my response, I noted that latter fact, and added sarcastically that I was pleased to know that 97% of the world’s climate scientists are “out of their minds and just in it for the pot of gold.” I *generally* avoid sarcasm, but I’ve seen enough of that person’s comments to know that that’s his favored style — so I responded in kind. But never will I comment or respond with a threat of violence, unless a person is literally and directly threatening me physically right then, has the means to do so (has a weapon, is much stronger than me, etc.), and appears to be deadly serious. That’s a different cup of tea entirely, and one which I experienced as a police officer and security patrol officer. But I never found it necessary to threaten violence because a person told me he was . . . a Republican!

Okay tatboy — I don’t know the caliber, so I’m willing to accept your statement as fact. That said, don’t you agree that it’s at the very least arguably in exceedingly poor taste for the opposing party’s county organization to raffle off a handgun of ANY type — in that very county, and so soon after the murders and the critical wounding of Rep. Giffords and others? Just out of curiosity, did you vocally support the establishment of the so-called “mosque” (actually an Islamic cultural center) a few blocks from Ground Zero that caused such enormous controversy? While I don’t know the answer to that question, I would be far more surprised if you were logically consistent and supported it than I would be if you opposed it on the grounds it was “offensive” — though a number of Muslims died in the WTC attacks, too.

Mr. Ford, Rep. Giffords has a demonstrable track record as a conservative Democrat, notably including being a supporter of Second Amendment rights. The very Republican Arizona Governor regards her as sensible, nonpartisan, and a friend. And the military, including General Petraeus when he was running the operations there, publicly expressed concern over issues that necessarily involved environmental ones, though his and the larger high command’s concerns were more focused on the high cost, in both dollars and lives, of getting energy supplies to the front — reportedly as much as around $1,000 a GALLON to get fuel for trucks, generators, etc. to where it needed to be. But environmental concerns played a role as well, if a lesser one.

Are you aware that the Army is *currently* field-testing a portable solar-powered generator for use in Afghanistan? Or that various military installations, including a number in the United states, are expanding their use of alternate — “green” — energy sources? Are you aware that in the Pentagon’s most recent quadrennial review, the authors state as a central tenet for strategic planning for us over the next several decades needs to be centered on the near-certainty that future wars will come about because of people fleeing across transnational borders from famines and increasing water shortages — and that those authors propose preparing NOW to better address changes in climate and weather they (along with some 97% of the world’s climate scientists) believe will be taking place over those decades?

Probably not. Worse, I don’t imagine you even care. Better to label someone a “left wing wacko.” I guess those generals and admirals tasked with our national defense are a bunch of left-wing wackos, too — right? What do THEY know???

Hm. So kooks and terrorists DON’T use guns (sometimes) to kill people? Then what WAS it the kook in this case used?

Felix, I just fact-checked your claim. While the words appear, you’ve taken them completely out of context. Here’s the full passage from that part of the story:

—————————————

“When I went up, she said, ‘Joe,” Biden recalled of his meeting with
Giffords. “I said, ‘Now we’re both members of the Cracked Head Club.’
You know, I had two craniotomies. For real. They literally took the top
of my head off. Twice. Now, the wags in Delaware, when the second
operation occurred, wrote and said, ‘Well, it’s because they couldn’t
find a brain the first time!’”

“She and I just commiserated about the steps to recovery,” he added.
“Hers, much more consequential. But it scares the living devil out of
you when you’re recovering from a serious operation or injury to your
head. But it comes back. And knowing people who’ve been through it and
came back was helpful, for me anyway. You know what I mean?”

—————————————

He went on to recall a day 30 years ago when the dying Hubert Humphrey made an appearance in the Senate — and Biden warmly recalled that Humphrey’s bitter ideological enemy, Barry Goldwater, stood up and hugged his dying colleague. Biden also noted that the day Giffords appeared in the House, he embraced Michele Bachmann, too — and spoke kindly of Bachmann’s human compassion.

Yes, Felix, you have completely twisted the Vice-President’s words. His comments were about as decent and humane as anyone could possibly make. As was Bachmann’s compassionate reception of Giffords, which echoed that of Goldwater’s reception of Humphrey all those years ago. Why do you soil and pervert an all-too-rare moment of human decency in our Congress, Sir? When a Democrat tells Gifford’s he somewhat understands her fears AND praises some of his most important ideological foes???

To others, here’s the link to the August 1, 2011 story to which Felix referred; see for yourself. Those words appear nowhere in the story, much less in any of Biden’s quotes.

http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/08/biden-talks-his-meeting-with-giffords-and-more/NcyqlNTBgcSmjeUlP5ua8N/index.html

From Gifford? And a Republican judge? And a LITTLE GIRL?

No, I don’t believe for a second that ANY Arizonan took any pleasure from the shootings. I know a number of perfectly fine people from the state. But this ISN’T about the right to defend oneself. It’s completely about shockingly poor taste.

Gotta love that AK-47 . . . developed by a Soviet Union commie! LOL!

HawkCW4, I know some people who advocate making any kind of personal weapon 100% legal, and by “personal weapon,” they don’t mean just pistols/revolvers and ordinary long guns, but any kind of weapon that be operated by a single individual: the explicitly include hand grenades, fully automatic rifles and shotguns, bazookas, RPG’s, and shoulder-mounted missile launchers, as well as tripod/bi-pod mounted machine guns — to name a few they’ve listed to me. Do you agree with that? I should be able to own and legally carry around with me something like whatever a modern-day equivalent of a Stinger missile (and its launcher) are? Would that be included in your understanding of the Second Amendment? I’m asking the question as a serious one, because I don’t feel the Second Amendment grants such a broad right, but since I know people who do, I’m wondering just where you stand on the question.

Hm. I guess the guy in the hat in the foreground and the lady behind him in a black top and jeans (above his hat in the picture) are Dumbocats — right?

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The Ariz. Reps are making their point. Take this gun and GO DO A FEW TUCSON”S for America. Have these people become so desperate that they vaguely advocate murder and violence to support their right wing [NAZI-FASCIST] agenda? Call it what you will but don’t back down.. reload seems to be the REPS new mantra.
and they are selling the guns to promote that cause, 

Do your research and not believe everything you hear son! The Banks stole all that money and they continue to still money everyday. Check out the Federal Reserve! The American people did not get bail outs. We still lost our homes and Jobs. The Banks surely did though. I do not hear any one else talking about the people who lost homes and jobs more than Obama. I am not saying he is doing a great job but at least he show concern. The others or more concerned for the Fed Reserve owners which pretty much run this country and is running it in to the ground!

No, it’s about people like you, although well intentioned, who fail to see the real issue and would rather attack the most expedient issue (guns) rather than address the failure of the system for allowing a sick, deranged person to have a gun in the first place. How many well adjusted, non-criminal citizens do you know that own guns, are out shooting people? I agree that having the exact same model is in poor taste but, that’s all it is, poor taste. The gun itself is irrelevant.  

I would prefer an M-1 Carbine because I am a traditionalist.

. . . or perhaps even MORE innocent bystanders would have been hurt or killed, though accidentally. After all, the shooter wasn’t standing someplace isolated from others. And as a former police officer, security officer, and member of an Army ROTC pistol team, I can tell you that shooting someone at more than just a very few feet in a firefight situation isn’t as easy as Hollywood makes it appear to be. Even people well-trained and experienced. Ask any police officer, etc .