Colby:

I’m not 100% sure on this and I’m going by memory, but I think there was a provision for criminal sanctions in the version of the bill that passed the House. I think that got changed in the Senate bill that got passed on Christmas Eve. Thus, I think Beck was correct when he said that in November. I’ll try to verify it, but you may want to check your facts as well.

Thanks Finch, but the point that O’Reilly claimed that after researching it, that nobody on this network ever made that claim turns out to be false. We found the clip in 3 minutes. I get your point about the moving target of health care reform, Beck’s comment at the time may have been germane. But that doesn’t excuse O’Reilly’s error (or more to the point, the error of his researchers)

Its pretty much known fact you will go to jail if you don’t pay your taxes. Thats what health care payments will become, is a tax. Just like Medicare, Medicaid and FICA. It will be taken out of your check. So who cares what O’Reilly, Beck, or Coburn said. You don’t pay it you go to jail…

Colby:

I was correct. In the House version of the bill, the failure to buy a policy and/or pay the penalty was punishable by civil and criminal penalties. The criminal penalties could be as severe as five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/JCTletter110509.pdf

Thus, when Beck made hat statement in November 2009, he was right. It was because people like Beck spoke up, it got changed in the Senate version of the bill that was eventually enacted.

Let’s give Beck some credit, no?

Colby:

Fair enough. What O’Reilly said was technically inaccurate. But he actually could have made a stronger, more accurate argument. Namely, Fox said it when it was true and it got changed because of people like Beck speaking up. Granted, neither O’Reilly nor his staff are as smart as me, obviously, but let’s cut them a break. They’re only human.

Just joking, Colby. As always, keep up the good work. You are the model for how all the writers on this site should conduct themselves.

Jack Burns says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Its pretty much known fact you will go to jail if you don’t pay your taxes. Thats what health care payments will become, is a tax.
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That’s BS and you know it. Name one person that’s gone to jail for not paying taxes.

Me

Jack Burns says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Me
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Yeah, right.

real john t:

You’re joking, right? You can’t seriously believe that.

How about Richard Hatch of Survivor fame?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hatch_(Survivor_contestant)

You can admit that you’re wrong and you just made the dumbest statement in the world, or I can link to the Federal Courts’ PACER website and get a list of thousands of convictions for income tax evasion.

Mediaite is being disingenuous on this. The HCR bill went through many, many revisions.

Coburn was addressing someone at a RECENT rally who asked about going to jail if they did not buy health insurance. Coburn himself brought up FOX. . Now Mediaite is saying that Beck said this on FOX. That’s right, BACK in NOVEMBER when the HOUSE bill DID contain such a provision.

Here’s Pelosi being given every chance to say the idea of jail time was wrong or nonsense and she did neither..

Shame on you Mediaite!

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/11/11/video-nancy-pelosi-jail-time-for-people-with-no-health-insurance-very-fair/

And before Finch jumps on this, I’m talking about a common middle class person.

t-bone, are you being serious or playing really uninformed, to put it nicely?

Poor John. One person? Try Al Capone.

real john t:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/03/a_federal_appeals_court_today.html

Should I keep going?

real john t:

That link was to an African-American pastor. Is he “middle class” enough for you?

Pay your taxes people..

http://www.lat34.com/surf/sunny_garcia_3/sunny_garcia_2.htm

John, do you know what taxes are?

Just asking?

AnonymousFinch says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:25 pm
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Finch, you really need to start reading what you link to. He was charged with filing FALSE income tax returns.

John , if you are lucky, Pam Anderson may go. She owes $500k in back taxes.

There are currently many tens of thousands of people in jail (or on parole/probation/special program) for tax-related charges.
The government’s first interest would be getting restitution (i.e. paid in full), including interest and penalties. Assets can be seized, as well as current profits. Anyone having a business connection will receive notices to surrender “accounts payable” to the Government. This can be legally fought, but non-filers snubbing their noses at the system will not get much mercy. If the debtor agrees to pay up and remain current, he can avoid criminal prosecution and jail.
Going to jail is possible, but generally reserved for those whose failure to pay is intentional. The act of failing to file and pay is criminal. It is theft from the government and your fellow citizens. Just ask Leona Helmsley, a very wealthy and powerful person, who had accountants to do her bidding. Despite her famous quote that “…only the little people pay taxes…”, she paid AND went to jail. And while not all these others went to jail, some did and all paid large amounts of back taxes and penalties. Note that they cover a broad range of people…all very wealthy, able to afford the best of defenses by the most competent of teams of tax law experts AND had “ins” with the system, even up to and including a VICE PRESIDENT (who was also a lawyer, and one may suspect has all the inside info and political favors to call). They were all subject to tax of many types and were found to either failed to pay, or even just not pay enough. Actor Wesley Snipes, Country singer Willie Nelson, Baseball star Darryl Strawberry, Former Vice President Spiro Agnew, “Survivor” Richard Hatch (released from jail this week I believe), Mobster Al Capone (thats right…the most wanted man, and one of the richest and most powerful men of his time, actually was never found guilty and jailed for any of those acts, but spent his life in jail when prosecuted for tax evasion), Tennis star Boris Becker (who wasn’t even a US citizen), “Hollywood Madam” Heidi Fleiss to name a few.
It is shortsighted to avoid taxes. Many people rely on governments for programs and services : Social Security, Medicare, child benefits, and others. If you’ve been negligent in paying when you should, collecting anything is almost impossible. Add to that, if any of your earnings ever have withholding (payroll or interest), you can’t get them back without filing.

He was charged with filing FALSE income tax returns.”

OMG, I don’t believe it.

By the way, it’s worth noting that poor people don’t often get prosecuted for tax evasion because about half of the country no longer pays federal income taxes.

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:30 pm
John , if you are lucky, Pam Anderson may go. She owes $500k in back taxes.
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Why isn’t she in jail then?

She gets a chance to make restitution.

Thats just a quick Google search. I’ll stop so I don’t eat up the thread : )

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Finch, you really need to start reading what you link to. He was charged with filing FALSE income tax returns.
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real john t:

They were false because he unreported income. Duh! That’s tax evasion. Are you really that stupid? What do you think he lied about on his taxes? His address?

If you purposely HIDE or lie about your income, so long.

Ask Pete Rose. He didn’t report autograph income.

real john t:

I’m not “debating” you any more. If you’re seriously going to argue that going to jail for “filing false returns” (false because they underreported income) is somehow different than going to jail for not paying taxes, you are simply too stupid to ever again deserve a response.

LOL .The book arguing with Idiots has suddenly came to mind…

John what is the color of the sky in your world?

Jack Burns says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:37 pm

LOL .The book arguing with Idiots has suddenly came to mind…”

hahaha

Colby Hall, you need to update this blog with the information that Beck was correct at the time when he made that claim.

That would at least allow readers to evaluate whether O’Reilly’s mistake matters a hill of beans in light of the facts.

Folks, you may want to gather your kids around your PC. This may be the only time they can see someone like John.

Tom coburn proves himself gutless. Had to genuflect at the altar of fox not news.

But here’s what really amazes me about guys like real john t: He made a really stupid statement. He was wrong. Everybody reading these comments knows he’s wrong–including him. He could just say, “Sorry, my bad. I overstated my position.” That would give him some credibility in the future.

Instead, he’ll spend the rest of the night arguing that EVERYBODY knows there’s a difference between “filing a FALSE” return and not paying your taxes, and we’re just all stupid because we don’t know that, and we’re all republican shills, and we’re all racists. That’s where this debate will go from here. Pathetic.

he’ll spend the rest of the night arguing that EVERYBODY knows there’s a difference between “filing a FALSE” return and not paying your taxes”

yep

What’s scary is that he shows this type of utter nonsense on many posts.

That’s how we know he truly is the REAL John T…

LOL

We should take up a plate for him, ted and BFD.

Who cares about taxes, I’m still aghast that it’s more important to blog about O’Reilly making a mistake than the fact that Sen. Coburn was trying to stigmatize FNC for being RIGHT.

AnonymousFinch says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:37 pm
real john t:
you are simply too stupid to ever again deserve a response.
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OH! I’m glad you said that to show what a self righteous asshole you are. Why don’t you climb down off your high horse and realize you’re no better than anyone else on here. You claim to be a lawyer. That’s kind of funny because most lawyers refer to themselves as attorneys. I know many attorneys, and I don’t know a one of them that spends most of the day and night on a blog. As far as I’m concerned you are an ignorant liar.

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:46 pm
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Why don’t you cry me a river, you little ignorant fool.

Mediadite is becoming the HP and I think ted, John and BFD are HP’s rejects. They may be the same person: the Trinity of the Dense.

BTW, this Colby was the same person blasting that black artist for being with Hannity, so this is not a surprise.

the real john t says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:53 pm

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:46 pm
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Why don’t you cry me a river, you little ignorant fool.”

LOL

Th angry boy throws a tantrum. Get the hose. hahahahah

Meltdown on aisle 5! Come get little John! tee,hee

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 9:56 pm
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You know every post I’ve read of yours, you have not one intelligent thing to say. That says a lot about you little girl.

My daughter works for a Lawyer. In a Lawyers office. She does a lot of work for her. So she can have free time to herself. She puts around 80 Hours of work in a week.. If Lawyers didn’t take breaks and get away from the books, and do some online chatting or such. They would never know what was going on in the world…. Just saying

Jack Burns says:
April 13, 2010 at 10:02 pm
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OH! So they have to take a break all day, everyday? I see.

Every topic has to devolve into one of these circuses.

sheesh!

I’m not defending the guy. I just understand the need to get away..

You know every post I’ve read of yours, you have not one intelligent thing to say. That says a lot about you little girl.”

LOL

This is so priceless! Honey, get my camera. We may not see the likes of John for 2000 years. Someone, get some of his DNA.

I have heard of Johnny One-Note, but this one is Johnny One-Insult. Tee, hee

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 10:07 pm
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Thanks for proving my point.

John, try to write more than one sentence sometime. I know it’s hard for ya. And see if you can do it without an insult.

hahahahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 10:11 pm
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You know, you are really too stupid to even try and converse with.

John some advice: Change your name to the UNREAL john t.

John, not even Darwin could explain you.

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 10:16 pm
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You want to have a debate on something? You pick the subject, of course you’ll have to excuse the time lapse because I’m getting ready to eat supper. But go ahead and pick one.

HUH! Where’d you go Jamestaylor, you seem to be so brilliant and I challenged you to a debate and didn’t think you were one to run away. But I guess I was wrong about you.

James Taylor is that what you are calling yourself this week Jeffy, once again when you leave the KKK, Koldys Kiddie Klub and come out in the real world you are just proven as stupid and worthless as Cecelia. Take that drivel back to the dung pile you fell out of
Cecelia you standing up for the shit flinging Becj is about as funny as you and Hagzilla carrying on a conversation. All of you who post at that teabagger loving, racist site that Koldys has all needs to just stay and let the big kids talk.

Coburn must of ate one of Obama’s “special” brownies

Very useful sharing from my side. I was wondering why does he have a bee up his butt about Fox? For an MD, he’s kind of dim. I think he watches CNN and MSNBC to get his news.
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“kristianna says:
April 14, 2010 at 2:02 am

Very useful sharing from my side. I was wondering why does he have a bee up his butt about Fox? For an MD, he’s kind of dim. I think he watches CNN and MSNBC to get his news.”

You are a dumbass. Dr. Coburn is one of the most conservative senators in the US senate representing one of the most conservative states in the union. FOX lies and propagates mistruths all the time. His larger point was for one that to be aptly informed about issues, you should NOT get your news from one source, especially one that’s as biased as FNC is.

I’ve only been registered here a day, but I believe Mediate to be a sign of the Apocalypse. Look above this post to understand this hypothesis . . .

Bill O’Reilly usually annoys me but I found myself cheering when he upbraided the noxious Dr. Coburn for his unnecessary and unfair dissing of Fox News. WTG, Bill!

The civil discussion was spirited at times, but O’Reilly’s primary point was that nobody on Fox News has claimed that not following health care would result in prison time. All of you who post at that teabagger loving, racist site that Koldys has all needs to just stay and let the big kids talk.

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O’Reilly repeatedly said that nobody ever said that (jail time) on Fox News.

He’s a liar. Or an idiot.

Or maybe just mistaken, in which case he should offer a correction tomorrow.

I think Coburn’s intent was to caution people about being so slavishly devoted to FOX that they don’t get a complete picture of what is happening. In fact, I seem to recall Coburn talking about being informed from a variety of sources. Of course, other networks and other media outlets can be every bit as bad as FOX with biased reporting and fabrication of “facts”. The problem with FOX is two-fold: [1] Many of its viewers lack the intelligence to discern the drivel from the news, the fact from the fantasy, or they simply don’t care to put in the effort to do so. They have been presented the facts which support their personal views, and anything else would simply be confusing. They are like unto the mediocre law student who writes his or her conclusion, then seeks out only the law and precedent which support it. The results are predictable. [2] When a viewer seeks out a conservative or extreme rightist view and goes to FOX, he or she is going to be presented with the toxic mix of drivel and fabrication, will immediately realize that and move on. On one level, FOX inhibits dissemination of rightist views into our political and social discourse.

This post merits special attention:

Coburn must of ate one of Obama’s “special” brownies

Most speakers and writers for whom English is their first, second, third, fourth or fifth language were unaware until after 01:59 Hours last night that “of” was a verb. On behalf of all such speakers and writers, let me say: We find this staggering!

Scott Heckman, LOL

when you can make a substantive comment, call me, you hateful, racist liberal.

Scott, I do have to say that Cecelia is neither stupid nor worthless. She is cantankerous, to be sure, but that can be endearing.

As to Jamestaylor, a/ka Olby S***s, better known as Jeff Merrill, I am in complete agreement with you.

The forces of the universe have sublimely aligned to give Scott/Patrick a surname as ridiculous and as adolescent as his personality.

The Real Royal King- King iof the Racists!

Cecelia as Johnny’s comfort girl I will take everything you say with a typical “yawn”.

I just hope with Obamacare Jeffy, that you can get that much needed head out of your ass surgery.

Interesting to hear you term yourself as being Johnny’s comfort girl. Fantasize much?

Hello, I’m new on the block and have very much enjoyed reading all your comments. It’s intesting to see all the different views and comebacks from such a variety of people about O’Reilly and Fox in general. It started out pretty much serious and quite educational, then it started turning funny and almost got me in stitches, but then IT happened! It ended up getting ugly with name calling to the point that most involved started sounding childish and saying some inappropriate things. That’s kind of sad, but I see the same thing on many sites and this one is at least clean compared to most. Oh well, we all need a laugh and have a place to vent our frustrations, so carry on folks, enjoy! …By the way, I have grown to enjoy most of the FOX news programs, except for maybe Redeye, and I’m delighted to see that so many are defending them with some of the talk I’ve been hearing lately, even from our president, and at least some are willing to give Glenn Beck credit for stirring things up enough to get that jail thing taken off of the health bill. I’ve never caught anyone on FOX in a diliberate lie. I watch CNN and even cspan to all hours of the night just to see if what FOX people say is true. and I’ll just bet’cha that O’Rielly is gonna chew out somebody’s butt for not finding that comment that Glenn made back in Nov. But, at least it was truth and I’m hoping that O’Rielly will apologise on air as well as to Coburn. I just think it was a good thing to happen because it brought some things to the surface and confirmed my faith in FOX, plus I got to know a little about Coburn who seems like a really neat guy.

Welcome, Viv. There are about 5-10 vile liberals who name call on here, but they are to be ignored. They have nothing to post about the issue at hand, because they have nothing to say.

Ignore them when they come calling.

Some names,? The real john t, Ted ,BFD, Scott Heckman, The real Royal King, roxsteady.

Scott Heckman says:
April 14, 2010 at 2:58 pm

Cecelia as Johnny’s comfort girl I will take everything you say with a typical “yawn”.
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Mr. Heckman, you are never at a loss for saying stupid things. I commend you for your consistency.

he real john t says:
April 13, 2010 at 10:28 pm

Jamestaylor says:
April 13, 2010 at 10:16 pm
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You want to have a debate on something?

the real john t says:
April 13, 2010 at 11:23 pm

HUH! Where’d you go Jamestaylor, you seem to be so brilliant and I challenged you to a debate and didn’t think you were one to run away. But I guess I was wrong about you.
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John T – maybe you should confirm that jamestaylor simply went offline rather than ran away like a coward as you would like others to believe…as you would like to believe.

If you want to debate, I’ll do it. The subject is “Is John T fit to sleep with the pigs”. I’ll argue that you are, you take the “are not” side. You go first.

Scott Heckman says:
April 13, 2010 at 11:54 pm

James Taylor is that what you are calling yourself this week Jeffy, once again when you leave the KKK, Koldys Kiddie Klub and come out in the real world you are just proven as stupid and worthless as Cecelia. Take that drivel back to the dung pile you fell out of
Cecelia you standing up for the shit flinging Becj is about as funny as you and Hagzilla carrying on a conversation. All of you who post at that teabagger loving, racist site that Koldys has all needs to just stay and let the big kids talk.
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Hi Li’l feller, you are in full swing today. May I point out that that constantly call J$P a racist site and infer that it is tied in with the KKK. I would also like to point out that while you have been challenged dozens of times to submit specific proof of that, all that you have been able to do is sling the vulgar comments and are unable to prove your point. As I recall, you are in your late 30s early 40s. Will you ever grow up?

Well Assley or as I like to call you Mrs. Chicken Shit, here is why Dollars shit site is racists, and so please read slowly so you can understand it all. First Dollar site is Conservative and Fox News the shit network he defends is sponsoring those racist tea parties. Second Jeff Bovine, Jeffy Morril or Olby Sucks, all made a remarks at media matter about hanging Obama from a tree, I even sent the post to Koldys and he still lets that piece of shit post there. Third he lets Blackfungus use a racist picture of Obama as his avatar. Need I keep going, you get it, just like you now what I mean before. Need I say what you said about people who served in the Navy NAAA I’ll save that one for later.
Also I want to that Fuck fan for trying to get into my email, I have an IP address that proves it was someone from where his shit website is from.

hey, Scott, why not slip into something more comfortable, like a come, you cretin.

You are the king of white trash, matter of fact white trash is too much of a compliment for you

You are pretty as a picture and we’d love to hang you..

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Scott Heckman (aka the li’l feller) says at 10:52 PM

“Well Assley or as I like to call you Mrs. Chicken Shit, here is why Dollars shit site is racists, and so please read slowly so you can understand it all. First Dollar site is Conservative and Fox News the shit network he defends is sponsoring those racist tea parties.”

Fox is sponsoring the events? Well, they are covering them, as are the other cable networks. But sponsor? Pay the cost? Do you have proof of that? If not, you got nothing.

“Second Jeff Bovine, Jeffy Morril or Olby Sucks, all made a remarks at media matter about hanging Obama from a tree, I even sent the post to Koldys and he still lets that piece of shit post there.”

So because someone posted “X” at a completely different site, you have the right to contact the owner of Johnny Dollars Place and insist that he ban this poster because you don’t like that right? Plus, because you insisted, J$ must capitulate to your demand? Sorry li’l feller, you got nothing.

“Third he lets Blackfungus use a racist picture of Obama as his avatar.”

What about that avatar is racist? It’s a caricature of the President crying like a child. I’ve seen a poster here use the same image, will you now claim that Mediaite is racist? Sorry li’l feller, you got nothing.

“Need I say what you said about people who served in the Navy NAAA I’ll save that one for later.”

Now you are lying, I have the utmost respect for our military. Always have, always will.

“Also I want to that Fuck fan for trying to get into my email, I have an IP address that proves it was someone from where his shit website is from.”

You do realize that not only is that statement vulgar, it is gibberish and makes no sense.

Well Assley you have been watching Fox news alot and have learned to spin. Once again no comabacks from you, just typical Mark Koldys drivel, considering that you are Johnny new comfort girl, I would expect no less . Assley . As for Fuck Fan, he knows what he did. Tell all the racist at the KKK or the Koldys Kiddie Klub is said hello. . Bye bitch.