it was the sound of 50 million liberals heads exploding all at the same time…

“would require that each and every presidential candidate have a certified copy of his or her long form birth certificate, including that names of the candidate’s father and mother and enough information to “determine the citizenship of both parents.” Also required: The name of the hospital in which the candidate was born, the name of the attending physician (if there was one) and the signatures of any others who witnessed the birth. ”

I can’t wait for Felix to blame this on the media instead of the lunatic Right. lolol

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
“would require that each and every presidential candidate have a certified copy of his or her long form birth certificate, including that names of the candidate’s father and mother and enough information to “determine the citizenship of both parents.” Also required: The name of the hospital in which the candidate was born, the name of the attending physician (if there was one) and the signatures of any others who witnessed the birth. ”

I can’t wait for Felix to blame this on the media instead of the lunatic Right. lolol

Thank you. Conservatives have been saying that the “birther” movement was a Democratic creation. Oops. One of the most Conservative states is about to make themselves look more extreme.

Hurry! Send out the emails to all Dims to chant the words, “crazy,” and “nutz” day and night………………..this is an EMERGENCY!

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
would require that each and every presidential candidate have a certified copy of his or her long form birth certificate, including that names of the candidate’s father and mother and enough information to “determine the citizenship of both parents.”

Hmmm….I wonder if this has anything to do with Obama? lmfao

The Birther thing is played out… Alex

skoorbekim said:
The Birther thing is played out… Alex

tell arizona tyvm

I can’t get my birth certificate because the hospital caught on fire. So I have to use the Live Birth one. A lot of people can’t get their birth certificate.

damn , almost as bad as needing a picture id to vote

Yoda002 said:
I can’t get my birth certificate because the hospital caught on fire. So I have to use the Live Birth one. A lot of people can’t get their birth certificate.

you were denied because you were a rectal birth

At least the didn’t ask for a photo your umbilical cord taken with Mount Rushmore in the background.

Arizona is really competing to be the Western world’s capital of racism and xenophobia.

Good luck with that. He’ll just have his racist Holder justice department sue you AGAIN……ironically for racism.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
At least the didn’t ask for a photo your umbilical cord taken with Mount Rushmore in the background.

Why, don’t YOU still have it? Don’t tell me you sold that on E-Bay too.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
“would require that each and every presidential candidate have a certified copy of his or her long form birth certificate, including that names of the candidate’s father and mother and enough information to “determine the citizenship of both parents.” Also required: The name of the hospital in which the candidate was born, the name of the attending physician (if there was one) and the signatures of any others who witnessed the birth. ”
I can’t wait for Felix to blame this on the media instead of the lunatic Right. lolol

Wouldn’t it be funny if Obama could come up with all of this but the right’s candidate couldn’t?

Barack says he has it so what is the problem?

ellie said:
Wouldn’t it be funny if Obama could come up with all of this but the right’s candidate couldn’t?

what color is the sky in your little world?

If it wasn’t for that darned Supremacy clause this might stand a chance in court.

cjd ohio 1 said:
damn , almost as bad as needing a picture id to vote

You can’t be serious.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You can’t be serious.

it was a joke……….but some of the left even that is racist

think that is racist

This is a big ‘middle finger’ to Obamo for his violent political attacks on the good people of Arizona.

Obamo deserves this, and I hope it sticks. Even if it doesn’t, he still sees the middle finger aimed right at him.

And it wasn’t us just casually scratching our collective face; we meant it as a middle finger.

cjd ohio, some people need to be offended at all times, and those people are liberals.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Barack says he has it so what is the problem?

No problem, you’re just making yourselves look like crazies. We’re loving it. You’re just securing Obama 4 more years. Keep it up!

cjd ohio 1 said:
it was a joke……….but some of the left even that is racist

It’s honestly getting hard to tell these days. Glad to see you retain your nature.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
It’s honestly getting hard to tell these days. Glad to see you retain your nature.

most on here you can have a back and forth with, but others get a little pissy

cjd ohio 1 said:
it was a joke……….but some of the left even that is racist

Actually, the motivation behind it is racist since it’s targeted towards minorities. Just like the poll taxes and literacy tests were “not racist.” It’s voter disenfranchisement V2.0. The AZ statute is unconstitutional. Even a 2nd grade child can see that….LOL. Presidential qualifications are explicitly stated in the US Constitution.

Gasket said:
Actually, the motivation behind it is racist since it’s targeted towards minorities. Just like the poll taxes and literacy tests were “not racist.” It’s voter disenfranchisement V2.0. The AZ statute is unconstitutional. Even a 2nd grade child can see that….LOL. Presidential qualifications are explicitly stated in the US Constitution.

not racist, you need a picture id for a myraid of reasons in todays world

cjd ohio 1 said:
most on here you can have a back and forth with, but others get a little pissy

Sadly that is the state of politics. If you state facts you’re a demagogue, if you challenge the president then you’re a racist. You’d hope we could all at least agree that the president is an American citizen, but this just goes to show that it’s the crazies who have the power now.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Sadly that is the state of politics. If you state facts you’re a demagogue, if you challenge the president then you’re a racist. You’d hope we could all at least agree that the president is an American citizen, but this just goes to show that it’s the crazies who have the power now.

on those threads, maybe one joke, but most of the time i dont even bother to get involved in the stupid sh*t

cjd ohio 1 said:
not racist, you need a picture id for a myraid of reasons in todays world

Picture id is diff from a long form. Hell, I have trouble getting my long form in ohio. Good thing that’s not required lol

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Picture id is diff from a long form. Hell, I have trouble getting my long form in ohio. Good thing that’s not required lol

the health dept in cincinnati is a bitch, you are right there lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
on those threads, maybe one joke, but most of the time i dont even bother to get involved in the stupid sh*t

The stupid sh*t is what drives us though. People don’t want to know what’s actually going on, they want their fears confirmed. Nobody wants to hear that an increasing demand coupled with the conflict in Libya and other middle eastern countries is driving the cost of oil per barrel up, but if you tell them that Obama said prices would go up under his plan that gets them going because people want simplicity and relatable source to be angry at. Three years ago it was Bush, now it’s Obama.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The stupid sh*t is what drives us though. People don’t want to know what’s actually going on, they want their fears confirmed. Nobody wants to hear that an increasing demand coupled with the conflict in Libya and other middle eastern countries is driving the cost of oil per barrel up, but if you tell them that Obama said prices would go up under his plan that gets them going because people want simplicity and relatable source to be angry at. Three years ago it was Bush, now it’s Obama.

it is a shame, i admit i can get a little childish here sometimes, but not hateful, both sides want to win at any cost, which needs to change

cjd ohio 1 said:
it is a shame, i admit i can get a little childish here sometimes, but not hateful, both sides want to win at any cost, which needs to change

I’m guilty of the same. The reason for lack of unity in the Democratic party is due to Rahm Emmanuel’s desperate desire to win and his orchestration of the Democratic takeover in 2006. Then you have Mitch McConnell saying their main objective is to make Obama a one-term president. You combine that with the fact that both sides have flipped their rhetoric and it lives us, the people out in the dust.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I’m guilty of the same. The reason for lack of unity in the Democratic party is due to Rahm Emmanuel’s desperate desire to win and his orchestration of the Democratic takeover in 2006. Then you have Mitch McConnell saying their main objective is to make Obama a one-term president. You combine that with the fact that both sides have flipped their rhetoric and it lives us, the people out in the dust.

we are sold the the river for three things……money, power and control, the rest is us little peons sitting here bitching which is how they want it

I live in az,- these az republicans are too stupid to see how stupid they are.

Is it too much to ask that candidates for President of the United States at least meet the minimum requirements? Heck, it’s only the most important and powerful position in the world. Yep, sounds like a pretty reasonable.

Dem4Ever said:
Is it too much to ask that candidates for President of the United States at least meet the minimum requirements? Heck, it’s only the most important and powerful position in the world. Yep, sounds like a pretty reasonable.

…reasonable request.

cjd ohio 1 said:
not racist, you need a picture id for a myraid of reasons in todays world

It’s certainly demanded by lots of self-appointed authorties. Needed? Not so much.

mediadoubt said:
It’s certainly demanded by lots of self-appointed authorties. Needed? Not so much.

self appointed?

Dem4Ever said:
…reasonable request.

The constitution is silent on any requirements to list name of the hospital you were born in before you can serve as president. This law is over-the-top, silly-ass birtherism that’ll cement Arizona’s reputation as the land of the loons.

It’s also unconstitutional, and if the state wants to take on another zillion-dollar lawsuit trying to pretend that nullification is a valid concept, it’s the taxpayers of Arizona who will take it in the shorts.

Which clearly the ‘Lican lunatics don’t care about. I guess they don’t have to, as long as their nutbag base is catered to.

cjd ohio 1 said:
self appointed?

Yeah. Like my bank, f’rinstance.

mediadoubt said:
Yeah. Like my bank, f’rinstance.

well to operate a motor vehicle, to fly, to buy booze, cigarettes, write a check, purchase land etc

If Arizona can do it all 57 states should do it.

mediadoubt said:
president. This law is over-the-top, silly-ass birtherism that’ll cement Arizona’s reputation as the land of the loons.

Check out the 10th and 14th Amendments.

At least three of my siblings were born at home were born at home with my grandmother midwifing. However since both my parents and my grandmother have passed away, so I guess my siblings would be out of luck if they wanted to run. And my cousin too, since she was born in the car on the way to the hospital and my uncle is gone now too. I’m not sure I can get a “long form” anymore, but I do have a letter from the woman who was First Lady at the time I was born, because I was born on the presidents birthday so my parents sent a birth announcement. So I have a letter from the White House addressed to me with the First Lady’s signature. Think that might be sufficient proof?

X-3 said:
Check out the 10th and 14th Amendments.

I’ve done so any number of times. Your point?

MTinMO said:
At least three of my siblings were born at home were born at home

What a coincidence, three of my husband’s siblings were born at home in Missouri too, but, they all have birth certificates, like, how in the world?

Not to worry about your siblings, any one of them would probably have your Missouri vote, they wouldn’t hit a snag until AZ certifies.. Breath a deep sigh of relief, you would be living in a fishbowl, the press would be sure to be parked on your doorstep. Say a little prayer for grandmother, just in case it was her that didn’t get all the stats recorded properly, your family certainly dodged a bullet whether you have realized it or not. Just thinking about it gives me the vapors, how about you?

I was born in La Crosse, WI and my bc is a little black hunk of paper that looks like a copy of an x-ray, no little piggies on it, sigh. And, they did not even record the time of my birth, sucks if your into astrology.

I really do not understand why anyone would have an issue with this Bill becoming law. I would think Every American would want to know that all office holders, regardless of party meet all the necessary constitutional and statutory legal requirements for the office they wish to hold.

We are a nation of Laws, and they should and must be equally applied to all. Facts matter, and It is the responsibility of the applicant or candidate to provide the necessary proofs needed to ensure they do, in-fact meet all legal requirements for office.

WHY IS THIS ONLY BEING INTRODUCED AS LAW NOW?!?

Duuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh

KKK

I was born in La Crosse, WI and my bc is a little black hunk of paper that looks like a copy of an x-ray, no little piggies on it, sigh. And, they did not even record the time of my birth, sucks if your into astrology.

Me, too. It is one hideous little certificate, isn’t it? Fortunately, my mom remembered what time I was born.

Other states have passed simular laws but some say they do not go into effect until after the 2012 elelction. We need them in effect FOR the 2012 election, period! No more doubts about who our leaders are! If Obama can’t come up with one, then, tuff titty, he just will lose the votes of that state! We need Obama another four years like we need an Ebola Breakout, We Don’t! NOBAMA 2012!

Allen West 2012! A Proven Leader, Patriot, Warrior, and a Real Born American with a Real American Long Form BC!

mediadoubt said:
The constitution is silent on any requirements to list name of the hospital you were born in before you can serve as president. This law is over-the-top, silly-ass birtherism that’ll cement Arizona’s reputation as the land of the loons.

It’s also unconstitutional, and if the state wants to take on another zillion-dollar lawsuit trying to pretend that nullification is a valid concept, it’s the taxpayers of Arizona who will take it in the shorts.

Which clearly the ‘Lican lunatics don’t care about. I guess they don’t have to, as long as their nutbag base is catered to.

The constitution doesn’t say anything about health care either, but here we are.  However, the constitution does specifically and quite clearly demands that the president MUST be born on US soil.  This Arizona law simply provides the guidelines by which this is proven.

Arizona…(still) the number 1 place for crazies

Dem4Ever said:
The constitution doesn’t say anything about health care either, but here we are.  However, the constitution does specifically and quite clearly demands that the president MUST be born on US soil.  This Arizona law simply provides the guidelines by which this is proven.

Actually, the Constitution uses the term “natural born citizen” (and elsewhere “citizen”). There is no mention of “soil.” A lot of the legal argy-bargy about citizenship is based on being on US soil at birth or not, but is only Constitutional by reference or application.

Which is irrelevant because Obama was born on US soil. Arizona trying to set the standard for other states whereby they report the birth of their citizens is preposterous and legally indefensible.

GoneFishing said:
I really do not understand why anyone would have an issue with this Bill becoming law. I would think Every American would want to know that all office holders, regardless of party meet all the necessary constitutional and statutory legal requirements for the office they wish to hold.

We are a nation of Laws, and they should and must be equally applied to all. Facts matter, and It is the responsibility of the applicant or candidate to provide the necessary proofs needed to ensure they do, in-fact meet all legal requirements for office.

For one, because it attempts to impose on other states its own rules on what information should be disclosed via birth certificates, and whether that information should be disclosed at all. It’s not only unconstitutional (it’s a Federal responsibility to define US citizenship, not a State responsibility), but unenforceable, not to mention that attempts to enforce it would run afoul of privacy and records laws across the country. In the normal course of business, states do not attempt to impose their legal definitions of common state recordkeeping standards on other states because to do so is impracticable.

For two, it’s unnecessary. The Hawaii document at issue here is explicit and irrefutable proof of legal birth on US soil. Cranks may say otherwise, but no credible legal scholar or expert agrees with those cranks.

For three, it’s cynical. A law specifically enacted to injure a specific individual is generally considered inherently invalid.

This is a case of nutjobs deliberately ripping the social fabric because of their irrational loathing of Barack Obama. As a deliberate attempt to increase divisiveness without delivering any benefit, it should be resisted by serious-minded people.

mediadoubt said:
Actually, the Constitution uses the term “natural born citizen” (and elsewhere “citizen”). There is no mention of “soil.” A lot of the legal argy-bargy about citizenship is based on being on US soil at birth or not, but is only Constitutional by reference or application.

Which is irrelevant because Obama was born on US soil. Arizona trying to set the standard for other states whereby they report the birth of their citizens is preposterous and legally indefensible.

What were they thinking….mediadoubts says ” ….irrelevant because Obama was born on US soil. “

The only one who would be responsible if Obozo doesn’t get on the AZ ballot for the 2012 elections is…..OBOZO!!!

All he has to do is PROVE he’s a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, and this discussion is moot.

Problem is, his father was Kenyan, and at the time was a British subject. Soooo, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to prove that he’s a Natural Born Citizen, because he’s NOT.

(Hey lefty moonbats, please look up the NBC requirement in the US Constitution before you start spewing your venom.)

And please stop playing the race card, it’s overdrawn and not working anymore. To all of you race baiters, please vote for Alan West or Herman Cain. What? You wouldn’t vote for them? Well well, you must be a RACIST.

Poor Obozo.

mediadoubt said:
For one, because it attempts to impose on other states its own rules on what information should be disclosed via birth certificates, and whether that information should be disclosed at all. It’s not only unconstitutional (it’s a Federal responsibility to define US citizenship, not a State responsibility), but unenforceable, not to mention that attempts to enforce it would run afoul of privacy and records laws across the country. In the normal course of business, states do not attempt to impose their legal definitions of common state recordkeeping standards on other states because to do so is impracticable.

For two, it’s unnecessary. The Hawaii document at issue here is explicit and irrefutable proof of legal birth on US soil. Cranks may say otherwise, but no credible legal scholar or expert agrees with those cranks.

For three, it’s cynical. A law specifically enacted to injure a specific individual is generally considered inherently invalid.

This is a case of nutjobs deliberately ripping the social fabric because of their irrational loathing of Barack Obama. As a deliberate attempt to increase divisiveness without delivering any benefit, it should be resisted by serious-minded people.

You really have no idea what your talking about do you. Do you just make it up, or did you get your ‘Points’ from Pelosi?

Lets deal with the issue point by point shall we?

Your first point, False; The Arizona Law would place no obligation on another state…None.

Second point, False: The COLB used by Obama as ‘Proof’ is not Proof of anything, it is a Document of Legal Promise by the state, nothing more, it alone is not a Fact, but an assertion of Fact. You see, the COLB is a secondary document created by statute…it is a State IOU promising that the Original Vault document does exist, but alone, in answer to a legal question of Fact, a COLB can ‘Prove’ nothing. In any Court or Legal Question of Fact regarding a COLB, the source document, or ‘Vault Copy’ of the original will be, and is, required by the Court.

Did you know you cannot use a COLB for an FBI or DOD background investigation, or any federal job requiring a clearance? Did you know that the copy of the Long Form document can be obtained by anyone born in Hawaii for a $15.00 fee? No, I did not think you did.

Third Point, False: The Law is not discriminatory in any way, and applies to All Candidates, regardless of party or affiliation. That Obama would be forced to do what he should have done long ago is incidental.

The Case is…Well, you have no case. No argument either beyond a partisan desire to avoid accountability, and shield Your chosen candidate from critical view…In short, you are a Tool.

GoneFishing said:
You really have no idea what your talking about do you. Do you just make it up, or did you get your ‘Points’ from Pelosi?

Lets deal with the issue point by point shall we?

Your first point, False; The Arizona Law would place no obligation on another state…None.

Second point, False: The COLB used by Obama as ‘Proof’ is not Proof of anything, it is a Document of Legal Promise by the state, nothing more, it alone is not a Fact, but an assertion of Fact. You see, the COLB is a secondary document created by statute…it is a State IOU promising that the Original Vault document does exist, but alone, in answer to a legal question of Fact, a COLB can ‘Prove’ nothing. In any Court or Legal Question of Fact regarding a COLB, the source document, or ‘Vault Copy’ of the original will be, and is, required by the Court.

Did you know you cannot use a COLB for an FBI or DOD background investigation, or any federal job requiring a clearance? Did you know that the copy of the Long Form document can be obtained by anyone born in Hawaii for a $15.00 fee? No, I did not think you did.

Third Point, False: The Law is not discriminatory in any way, and applies to All Candidates, regardless of party or affiliation. That Obama would be forced to do what he should have done long ago is incidental.

The Case is…Well, you have no case. No argument either beyond a partisan desire to avoid accountability, and shield Your chosen candidate from critical view…In short, you are a Tool.

Point 1: Sure as hell puts an obligation on Hawaii to adhere to Arizona’s specifications if Hawaii expects people born there to be treated fairly when they (unwisely) go to Arizona. The other questions about unenforceability and whether a state gets to define what US citizenship is (hint: it doesn’t) you ignored.

Point 2: I’ll rephrase: The Hawaii document at issue here is explicit and irrefutable *validation* of legal birth on US soil . . . (*proof* was a poor word choice). And no court has suggested a need to cash the IOU (as you put it) represented by the certificate of live birth.

Pont 3: Puh-leeze. You’re trying to tell me that this law was not specifically created to injure Barack Obama? The fact that it would apply to other candidates is meaningless in this context.

Whether Obama would have been wiser to request that Hawaiian authorities make an exception in his case to silence the baying curs at his heels is, clearly, arguable. From the point of view of political tactics, I think it’s a masterstroke on his part because birtherism is a continual distraction and embarassment to the shrinking ranks of sensible Republicans. It reinforces daily the impression that Obama’s opponents are crackpots living in cloud-cuckoo land who are obsessed with profoundly unserious issues. I don’t think you can buy that type of coverage.

mediadoubt said:
Point 1: Sure as hell puts an obligation on Hawaii to adhere to Arizona’s specifications if Hawaii expects people born there to be treated fairly when they (unwisely) go to Arizona. The other questions about unenforceability and whether a state gets to define what US citizenship is (hint: it doesn’t) you ignored.

Point 2: I’ll rephrase: The Hawaii document at issue here is explicit and irrefutable *validation* of legal birth on US soil . . . (*proof* was a poor word choice). And no court has suggested a need to cash the IOU (as you put it) represented by the certificate of live birth.

Pont 3: Puh-leeze. You’re trying to tell me that this law was not specifically created to injure Barack Obama? The fact that it would apply to other candidates is meaningless in this context.

Whether Obama would have been wiser to request that Hawaiian authorities make an exception in his case to silence the baying curs at his heels is, clearly, arguable. From the point of view of political tactics, I think it’s a masterstroke on his part because birtherism is a continual distraction and embarassment to the shrinking ranks of sensible Republicans. It reinforces daily the impression that Obama’s opponents are crackpots living in cloud-cuckoo land who are obsessed with profoundly unserious issues. I don’t think you can buy that type of coverage.

In other words we have a self spanking jackass for a president. Explains why he is so near and dear to your heart.

whiskey_tango_foxtrot says:

“Did you know that the copy of the Long Form document can be obtained by anyone born in Hawaii for a $15.00 fee? No, I did not think you did.”

Dumbass.

You do not know what you are talking about:

” … the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

What a surprise. Just more stupid birther nonsense.

Citizenship is not the issue. Natural Born Citizenship is. The fact that he was born in Hawaii has no relevance. His father was from Kenya. To qualify as a natural born citizen requires that both of your parents be US citizens at the time of your birth.

In fact, there is no requirement that you must be born on US soil (see John McCain), just that both of your parents are US citizens. So even if Obama was born in Kenya, he would still be a natural born citizen as long as both of his parents were US citizens.

Since his father was a British subject, Obama doesn’t qualify as a natural born citizen. He was never properly vetted before the 2008 election; Congress ignored the issue entirely. Well, not entirely, they did investigate John McCain’s eligibility. Just not Obama’s. This whole Hawaii birth certificate thing is just to distract from the elephant in the room.

If you take a look at the various states that are addressing the issue before the 2012 elections, they are requiring proof that you are a “natural born citizen” to be on that state’s ballot. Not “citizen”, but “natural born citizen”. The states are merely doing the vetting that wasn’t done in 2008.

Hey VinoVeritas, you crack me up. I didn’t post that. Go have another chug off the jug.

BTW, it’s kind of early for that, isn’t it?

Dumbass.

The political bludgeoning of Obamo will happily continue, as he himself has assured.

I’m most pleased to declare that Obamo’s legacy will forever be a negative one; he has now run out of runway to raise his stature between now and when his final year–2012–is complete. Re-electing Obamo simply means he’ll move far,far, far Left. And the wreckage he’ll cause will make the wreckage he’s caused thus far to pale by comparison.

mediadoubt said:
Point 1: Sure as hell puts an obligation on Hawaii to adhere to Arizona’s specifications if Hawaii expects people born there to be treated fairly when they (unwisely) go to Arizona. The other questions about unenforceability and whether a state gets to define what US citizenship is (hint: it doesn’t) you ignored.

Point 2: I’ll rephrase: The Hawaii document at issue here is explicit and irrefutable *validation* of legal birth on US soil . . . (*proof* was a poor word choice). And no court has suggested a need to cash the IOU (as you put it) represented by the certificate of live birth.

Pont 3: Puh-leeze. You’re trying to tell me that this law was not specifically created to injure Barack Obama? The fact that it would apply to other candidates is meaningless in this context.

Whether Obama would have been wiser to request that Hawaiian authorities make an exception in his case to silence the baying curs at his heels is, clearly, arguable. From the point of view of political tactics, I think it’s a masterstroke on his part because birtherism is a continual distraction and embarassment to the shrinking ranks of sensible Republicans. It reinforces daily the impression that Obama’s opponents are crackpots living in cloud-cuckoo land who are obsessed with profoundly unserious issues. I don’t think you can buy that type of coverage.

Again you make clear your view is politicaly driven, and not driven by the facts.

Point1a, you Fail again. There is no Obligation placed upon Hawaii at all, the obligation is upon Any and All candidates to provide documentation that he does, in fact meet All statutory requirements for office. Point1b, Your Failure continues; The ‘Requirements for Citizenship’ are Codified Federal Law, and there is no need for, or direction by the statute to, create a separate code or requirement. It simply directs the State to ensure all candidates meet the Legal requirements for office.

Point 2, you Fail again. Obfuscation and falsehood to not equal argument, reality or Facts. It is a Fact that a COLB is Not considered by the State, Federal Government, or the Court sufficient ‘Proof’ of status for Any job requiring a security clearance – Nor is it a determinant ‘Document of Fact’ when the issue itself is the question. I point out again that Any question regarding a COLB can only be resolved by the production of a ‘Vault Copy’ of the original document, and that is exactly what is required by the Court of Hawaii today.

Point 3, Fail: That your preferred candidate will be required to produce a document he should have produced long ago is immaterial as the law does not discriminate either for or against any party or individual, but places the same burden and requirement on all candidates seeking office. Nor is the burden excessive; Obama could have a copy of his Original birth Certificate in a week or so after application and the cost is $15.00. If he cant afford it, I will loan him the money and give a pen and the postage to file the form.

There is nothing ‘Discriminatory’ about the law at all. I can see you are upset by the possibility that Obama will be held to the same standard as every other candidate. Why is that do you think? Should not All candidates for Public Office obey the law? Should they not all be required to provide their bona-fides for examination by their employers…We the People?

Thankfully tho, your getting all Butt-hurt does not in any way effect the facts, or a rational examination of the issue. The Law will stand.

One down and 56 to go!

That’s ok…They’ll just take it to the either the State Supreme Court or The Supreme Courtand it would get tossed so far it’ll make the Birthers head spin. The Law is just plain and simply unconstitutional!!!!

While the State Agency may be restricted in the release of a document. In Law there is absolutely No restriction upon the Individual himself with regard to how, or to whom he could provide a Birth Certificate.

Any individual could post copies of their Birth Certificate in gas stations, street posts and laundromats if they wish to. The decisions of confidentiality for a completely personal document lay with the individual, not the state. The State cannot tell you Who you may, or may not, release personal information too.

A birth certificate is a birth certificate….as long it has an official seal, it a legal document….end of story….you take it and like it!!!!!

This is total bulls**t, these dummies are being laughed at all over the world!

So, we have had how many elections in this country (and AZ has been a state since 1912) and now that there is a black man in the WHITE house the birther KKKreaps are demanding this?

Things that make you go: Hmmmmmmm

Also his mom was 100% Caucasian USA citizen! Which makes her kids automatically USA citizens by birth. So what more is there to. If her being Caucasian, from the USA won’t please the birthers, then nothing will, so to hell with them!

Jaurez said:
One down and 56 to go!

Your book of Obamaisms is going to be really thin compared to lil’ Dubya’s.

Timothy Wright said:
So, we have had how many elections in this country (and AZ has been a state since 1912) and now that there is a black man in the WHITE house the birther KKKreaps are demanding this?

Things that make you go: Hmmmmmmm

blow it out your butt. Your premise is ALL WRONG. The issue at hand is not his citizenship, that is but a fraction of the deception and dishonesty that has led to this vetting by states. Hack.

good for arizona!! thank you.

VinoVeritas said:
whiskey_tango_foxtrot says:

“Did you know that the copy of the Long Form document can be obtained by anyone born in Hawaii for a $15.00 fee? No, I did not think you did.”

Dumbass.

You do not know what you are talking about:

” … the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

What a surprise. Just more stupid birther nonsense.

You are in error. There is a Big difference between the ‘Certification of Live Birth’ offered by Obama and a Vault Copy of the Original ‘Certificate of Live Birth’. The first is a ‘Certification’ the State creates that attest to the Data supplied on the Second, the Original ‘Certificate’ of the event…they are Not equal or the same at all, and the ‘Certification’ is not valid unless the ‘Certificate’ is held in the Vault. In any legal question regarding the validity of the ‘Certification’ or dependent Document, a Certified Copy of the Original Certification will be required by the Court…it is also required to complete any US Background Check, Entry into the Armed Forces or be cleared for any sensitive job or position. These are simply the facts. That you do not like them, does not change them one iota.

In order to get the Vault Copy Original you must specifically Ask for that document when making your request, and if you do so at the window of any Hawaii Dept. of Records office, the cost will be 15.00. It is more if you do it over the internet by a few bucks.

Looks like Hillary may have to run after all!!

Wayne Black said:
A birth certificate is a birth certificate….as long it has an official seal, it a legal document….end of story….you take it and like it!!!!!

This is a common error as the terms are similar, but they are in no way the Same…Certification != Certificate. What was offered by Obama was not a ‘Certificate’ of Live Birth, but a ‘Certification’ of Live Birth, and no, they are not the same at all. The ‘Certificate’ is a Document of Record and Fact, Created by the Event. The other, a Certification’ is a Document Created by the State…It is a ‘Certification’ that the State does, in fact have the original on record, and is invalid w/o the ‘Certificate’ on file within the Vault.

Another reason to stay away from Arizona. What loonies.

Victoria Sallese said:
Another reason to stay away from Arizona. What loonies.

What is wrong with Arizona wanting to enforce existing laws?

What an effed up county this US has become. May as well haul out the guns and nooses while yer at it Arizona! My god, theres crisis after crisis happening almost every freaking second, but the only thing that consumes the majority of the American population is an effing birth certificate. If that certificate was blown up poster size & plastered in front of peoples noses, the ones who are demanding the proof, would start screaming its a fake!

This country has become an embarrassment to the world. What once was a highly respected country is now a ridiculed country because of sh** like this happening. The economy sucks, lack of jobs suck, lack of everything sucks but is that important to the crazies that are in the Senate? Nope no way.

Moving back in time to the days of hate your neighbor because of the color of his or her skin seems to be the most important thing on their minds as its all they seem to be talking about but in a discreet way by claiming to be birthers.. They might not come right out and say it as it is nowadays considered taboo, but, to birthers and most of the scuz in the Senate, the sooner a “colored” is out the better.

“God Bless America.” Now theres a joke.

I highly doubt God would be thinking along that line these days.

Once again, Mediaite gets it wrong. The committee removed any requirement for providing parental information (which actually does away with half of the constitutional qualification of being a natural born citizen).

Here’s the bill: http://www.azleg.gov//FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/50leg/1r/summary/s.2177gr_aspassed.doc.htm&Session_ID=102

Look at the first Amendment Adopted by Committee.

this speak for itself ,listen everyone that think this is your world, or your whitehouse ,you were born buck naked,and you will die buck without,in other words nothing belongs to us. if you can’t stand the heat get out the kitchen.this is our president we can’t change this at this time, so just respect the fact that he made it to the whitehouse. this house is not just for the good old white boys,this house is for who ever we the people vote to live their and conducts the business of the people with understanding. .as a matter of fact i learned the slave built that house, so atleast give some of their children the privilege to share the house.

wait until Charles Barkley,read, are hear, what Arizona is planing not to do.

The Law is the Law, and applies to everyone…or it is supposed to. The requirements for Office are legally and constitutionally defined, and apply to anyone and everyone that wishes to hold office. Our structure of Government is a Constitutional Republic…a Government Ruled By Laws, and no one is above that law regardless of race, creed or gender.

It is the responsibility of the applicant for Any office to provide all the documentation necessary to prove his or her eligibility for office. No one should get a Pass from following the Law. Pres. Obama has never, to this day provided the necessary documents to prove his eligibility for office, because he has refused so far to release the documentation necessary to do so.

There is much spoken about the document he has released, and claim that this ‘Certification of Live Birth’ is Proof beyond question…It simply is not, and I will explain why.

Contrary to what you hear, there is confusion regarding this Documents that needs to be cleared up once and for all.

We need to be clear…There is a Big difference between the ‘Certification of Live Birth’ offered by Obama and a ‘Certificate of Live Birth’.

A ‘Certification’ is a document the State creates that attest to the Data supplied on the Original ‘Certificate’ created at the time of the event…they are Not equal or the same at all, and the ‘Certification’ is not valid unless the ‘Certificate’ is held in the Vault. In any legal question regarding the validity of the ‘Certification’, the ‘Dependent Document’, a Certified Vault Copy of the ‘Original Primary Document’, the ‘Certificate’ will be required by the Court. it is also required to complete any US Background Check, Entry into the Armed Forces, be cleared for any sensitive job or position, or to apply for Hawaii’s own Homestead Program.

The Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a ‘Certification’ like that offered by Obama as proof, because it simply is not ‘Proof’. Yet our Nation is somehow expected to accept it for the highest office in our nation.

From the ‘Hawaiian Home Lands program’ website I quote; “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.” http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

As you can see, the DHHL describes the difference between the documents, and informs the applicant that they require more than the ‘Certification’ of live birth, and require the ‘Certificate’ of live birth document as the, quote “DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout).” end quote

Another Myth surrounding Obama’s birth record is that Hawaii does not issue a ‘Long Form’. This is also untrue. A Certified Copy of the Original Document is available to any and all persons born in Hawaii. You can find a copy of the current document as issued now at http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/FReeperDanae.htm As you can see, they Do issue the ‘Long Form’ Certificate today, and they always have…they must you see because the ‘Certification’ document is not a complete record, and in order to establish the Fact of the event, a copy of the original document is required.

Once again, the “teas” have achieved nothing! This is about as moronic as the “sharia law” sham. You have to be stupid or crazy to think that any part of sharia, that might be illegal in this country is ” not” already “illegal”! Wow, you see how that works? In other words these clowns do this to show they are stupid and hate filled! This “birther” law crap, doesn’t matter. Obama is covered and it shows more crazy “tea hate”! Keep the hate alive!

timcajun said:
Once again, the “teas” have achieved nothing! This is about as moronic as the “sharia law” sham. You have to be stupid or crazy to think that any part of sharia, that might be illegal in this country is ” not” already “illegal”! Wow, you see how that works? In other words these clowns do this to show they are stupid and hate filled! This “birther” law crap, doesn’t matter. Obama is covered and it shows more crazy “tea hate”! Keep the hate alive!

Did you maybe have a valid point in that mindless rant…showing considerable Hate and assumptions for individuals you know nothing about? I myself am unconvinced of Obama’s Qualification, and I am a Registered Democrat…I Registered as a Democrat in Gaithersburg Md in 1976, when I suspect you were a gleam in no ones eye. I have questions regarding his legal qualifications not because I hate, or because I dislike the idea of a person of color in the White House, or for any reason you imagine. I Doubt his qualification because Obama has refused at all times to establish that he does, in-fact Meet those qualifications. I may be a Democrat…but I refuse to be a tool, and I am an American First.

Reread the above post, and tell me again how an unproven Certification is sufficient to hold the Office of President…when Providing the proof necessary to lay the issue to rest would cost him little, but he instead chose to spend a great deal to avoid doing so. The only Hate I see is your own.

I moved from one state to another and applied for a drivers license with my original birth certificate from the hospital where I was born. I was refused a drivers license because they wouldn’t accept the original as proof of citizenship. I had to obtain a certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics from my former state as proff of citizenship. My family has been in this country for many generations and I served in the USAF with a top secret classification. It seems that some states are more diligent than others and the federal government when it comes to proof of citizenship.

It’s about damned time! I’d like to see every state in the Union adopt this, and Arizona’s immigration laws. And please, don’t even kid about Hillary. When her term is up I’d like to see her a her pin-head husband walking off into the sunset, never to be seen or heard from again.

Ding dong, the witch is dead and so is her warlock husband. politically of course.

GoneFishing says:
Reread the above post, and tell me again how an unproven Certification is sufficient to hold the Office of President…when Providing the proof necessary to lay the issue to rest would cost him little, but he instead chose to spend a great deal to avoid doing so. The only Hate I see is your own
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When you post as a “tea” and sound like a “tea” you might be a “tea”, but have it as you wish! In your rant, you question his birth in this country! In the event the state of issue says:” that it is a valid document”….END, case closed! “You” need to reread, as I said the ‘teas” wasted their time,….again! I withdraw the hate issue, I could be wrong about that, but when issues are silly and disproven, you turn to hate to expalin!

whiskey_tango_foxtrot said:
Citizenship is not the issue. Natural Born Citizenship is. The fact that he was born in Hawaii has no relevance. His father was from Kenya. To qualify as a natural born citizen requires that both of your parents be US citizens at the time of your birth.

Flatly untrue. Birth in the United States confers natural born citizenship regardless of parentage (with the exception of diplomats’ children). You can continue to pretend otherwise, but it just ain’t so.

GoneFishing said:
Again you make clear your view is politicaly driven, and not driven by the facts. Point1a, you Fail again. There is no Obligation placed upon Hawaii at all, the obligation is upon Any and All candidates to provide documentation that he does, in fact meet All statutory requirements for office. Point1b, Your Failure continues; The ‘Requirements for Citizenship’ are Codified Federal Law, and there is no need for, or direction by the statute to, create a separate code or requirement. It simply directs the State to ensure all candidates meet the Legal requirements for office. Point 2, you Fail again. Obfuscation and falsehood to not equal argument, reality or Facts. It is a Fact that a COLB is Not considered by the State, Federal Government, or the Court sufficient ‘Proof’ of status for Any job requiring a security clearance – Nor is it a determinant ‘Document of Fact’ when the issue itself is the question. I point out again that Any question regarding a COLB can only be resolved by the production of a ‘Vault Copy’ of the original document, and that is exactly what is required by the Court of Hawaii today. Point 3, Fail: That your preferred candidate will be required to produce a document he should have produced long ago is immaterial as the law does not discriminate either for or against any party or individual, but places the same burden and requirement on all candidates seeking office. Nor is the burden excessive; Obama could have a copy of his Original birth Certificate in a week or so after application and the cost is $15.00. If he cant afford it, I will loan him the money and give a pen and the postage to file the form. There is nothing ‘Discriminatory’ about the law at all. I can see you are upset by the possibility that Obama will be held to the same standard as every other candidate. Why is that do you think? Should not All candidates for Public Office obey the law? Should they not all be required to provide their bona-fides for examination by their employers…We the People? Thankfully tho, your getting all Butt-hurt does not in any way effect the facts, or a rational examination of the issue. The Law will stand.

Actually, the law is standing now, and you’re out in the alley trying to get someone’s attention. Your discredited notions are completely irrelevant, and no credible person is going to listen to you.

But keep it up — without zealots like you, this issue would have died a natural death a long time ago and independents might have incorrectly begun to think that nutjobs had lost their battle for the heart of the Republican Party. Thanks for continually (continuously, to be more precise) reminding everyone that the inmates are indeed running the asylum.

GoneFishing said:
The Law is the Law, and applies to everyone…or it is supposed to. The requirements for Office are legally and constitutionally defined, and apply to anyone necessary to do so. There is much spoken about the document he has released, and claim that . . . . . . etc., etc., etc. . . .

The cognizant legal authorities in Hawaii disagree with you. They get to pick, you don’t. Sorry.

Can I interest you in this book about the Kennedy assassination?

GoneFishing said:
This is a common error as the terms are similar, but they are in no way the Same…Certification != Certificate. What was offered by Obama was not a ‘Certificate’ of Live Birth, but a ‘Certification’ of Live Birth, and no, they are not the same at all. The ‘Certificate’ is a Document of Record and Fact, Created by the Event. The other, a Certification’ is a Document Created by the State…It is a ‘Certification’ that the State does, in fact have the original on record, and is invalid w/o the ‘Certificate’ on file within the Vault.

Gonefishing is making my eyes water while trying to figure out what his excruciating mash of words means. But evidently GF won’t accept the simple fact that our President was vetted by the govt. and was found to be a citizen before the last election. End of story.
My first kid is dual citizen, born overseas to an American citizen, therefore he’s an American citizen, too, just like his mom. Military didnt’ have any trouble accepting him as american when he enlisted.

So many birthers seem to have an advanced eduction in American Constitutional law its amazing they have time to get on the internet as there must be a lot of calls on their tine for lecturing on the issue of the requirements for running for president, not to mention that they know more than the birth registration folks in Hawaii. So many experts out there!!!!!

Too bad the rational people are so ignorant they dont’ know who to trust. Now, if we were talking about vote counting computers, I wouldn’t trust them as far as next door, but the folks who vet our presidential candidates? I will trust them.

But facts don’t matter to haters.

Goll-ee-ee English must be a second language for me!
Nope, i just type fast, for the picky people who can’t stand to see typos, just relax. There are more important things to fuss about, such as was Mr. Obama born in Hawaii; is Hawaii a state; why won’t the birthers accept the green certificate posted on the internet; and why dubya bought a ranch not 20 miles from a military base…did he really think he’d need the military to defend him from the ordinary people he shafted while in office…..oh, so many questions, so few answers…….

Anyone know what the feds do about putting Mr. Obama on the ballot in Arizona?
I’m wondering if they will be forced to do it. Or will they just say no……(if that worked, we’d have no drug problems in the USA).
Maybe the feds will invalidate all Arizona ballots if he’s not on them? But that would be a sticky wicket as the intelligent folks who haven’t done anything dumb except live in that state, they would want their votes to be counted.
Ye gods and little fishes. No wonder this country is the laughingstock of the world. I await the next election with anticipation. It should be better than Survivor or DWS. Serious matters dumbed down for the TPers.

Someone posted on another thread that Failin Pain was born in Yugoslavia. Anyone know if this is true? The conclusion was that she’s not a citizen either…..the porridge thickens……..

Gone fishing says, “In order to get the Vault Copy Original you must specifically Ask for that document when making your request, and if you do so at the window of any Hawaii Dept. of Records office, the cost will be 15.00. It is more if you do it over the internet by a few bucks.”

GONE FISHING is either ignorant or deliberately stating lies. When you go to the state of Hawaii’s own web site at Hawaii.gov ( http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl ) you’ll see the following quote:

“the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

You see, you cannot get a “Certificate of Live Birth” no matter how much money you spend. You can’t get one online at any cost. Now unless you can provide a link to a Hawaii.Gov website that states something to the contrary, then you need to just keep quiet.

mediadoubt said:
Flatly untrue. Birth in the United States confers natural born citizenship regardless of parentage (with the exception of diplomats’ children). You can continue to pretend otherwise, but it just ain’t so.

you are correct

mediadoubt said:
I’ve done so any number of times. Your point?

It is within the states purview to pass laws that serve the state’s needs for so long as such laws do not contradict federal laws or when federal law is silent on an issue. Arizona is acting within its purview.

THE TROUBLE IS, federal government–in particularly, the -0bama regime–has FAILED to fulfill it’s responsibilities under the Constitution by securing our nations borders. How the hell does one otherwise explain the fact that some 25 million criminal aliens–some of which are Hammas agents–have infested our country with their presence?

Khyber Pass said:
Gonefishing is making my eyes water while trying to figure out what his excruciating mash of words means. But evidently GF won’t accept the simple fact that our President was vetted by the govt. and was found to be a citizen before the last election. End of story.
My first kid is dual citizen, born overseas to an American citizen, therefore he’s an American citizen, too, just like his mom. Military didnt’ have any trouble accepting him as american when he enlisted.

So many birthers seem to have an advanced eduction in American Constitutional law its amazing they have time to get on the internet as there must be a lot of calls on their tine for lecturing on the issue of the requirements for running for president, not to mention that they know more than the birth registration folks in Hawaii. So many experts out there!!!!!

Too bad the rational people are so ignorant they dont’ know who to trust. Now, if we were talking about vote counting computers, I wouldn’t trust them as far as next door, but the folks who vet our presidential candidates? I will trust them.

But facts don’t matter to haters.

Again with the Myths…here are the Facts. No one Vetted Obama….The Congressional Research Service did not, The National Democratic Party did not, The State Democratic Party Did, and refused to certify Obama. The State Democratic party Only certified him After getting a letter from Nancy Pelosi, and Her certification was different from and avoided the constitutional requirements. Do the research and get back to me. The certification documents from the Hawaii are different from that of Every other state, and avoid any mention of the Constitutional requirements for office. Seek and ye shall find…don’t be a tool.

mediadoubt said:
Actually, the law is standing now, and you’re out in the alley trying to get someone’s attention. Your discredited notions are completely irrelevant, and no credible person is going to listen to you.

But keep it up — without zealots like you, this issue would have died a natural death a long time ago and independents might have incorrectly begun to think that nutjobs had lost their battle for the heart of the Republican Party. Thanks for continually (continuously, to be more precise) reminding everyone that the inmates are indeed running the asylum.

So you can dance, but you cannot sing…Are you suggesting Independents have no interest in facts or objective truth? I myself am a Democrat, and I have an interest in objective truth. In my live I have found that all rational people have an interest in objective truth. To do otherwise is to live the life of a fool, as nothing else can provide one with firm ground or the understanding to make rational decisions. If you do not have facts, you have nothing. That you trot out lies and attempt to paint them as facts leaves no mark on me at all…look in the mirror.

A wise man said ‘The greatest failure of Man is self deception…To poison ones memory with falsehoods; Memory lingers and swells, and so he must, at last, become the lie himself.’ That you willfully avoid and disregard any rational objective analysis or examination of the issue, and instead choose to toe the current party ideological line just exposes you for the tool you are…Man Up, Honesty and facts Matter.

GoneFishing said:
So you can dance, but you cannot sing…Are you suggesting Independents have no interest in facts or objective truth? I myself am a Democrat, and I have an interest in objective truth. In my live I have found that all rational people have an interest in objective truth. To do otherwise is to live the life of a fool, as nothing else can provide one with firm ground or the understanding to make rational decisions. If you do not have facts, you have nothing. That you trot out lies and attempt to paint them as facts leaves no mark on me at all…look in the mirror.

A wise man said ‘The greatest failure of Man is self deception…To poison ones memory with falsehoods; Memory lingers and swells, and so he must, at last, become the lie himself.’ That you willfully avoid and disregard any rational objective analysis or examination of the issue, and instead choose to toe the current party ideological line just exposes you for the tool you are…Man Up, Honesty and facts Matter.

Much of your post is correct. The only problem is that what you define as “facts and objective truth” have been rejected as false by all credible authorities. You can continue to flog your interpretation — and that’s what you’re operating on, an interpretation — but it has proved unconvincing to every credible reviewer in a position to act.

I have as much interest in truth as the next guy. However, I don’t fool myself into thinking that I can make something true in the face of universal authoritative rejection merely by believing it intensely.

Objective truth? Dude, you have no objective truth.

Strict adherence to the constitution, the ten commandments and the laws of the land are what I believe in. Once you stray away as liberals often do, the principals of our foundation start to crumple and chaos sets in. Our government has been over come by greed and power and no longer represents the welfare of it’s people. The people are influenced by the media which is controled in large by the liberals. People read or hear mostly the liberal side of the news and not the actual unaltered facts. Laws are bent to protect the privileged or politicaly connected in either party which resulted in the Wall St. fraud and tax payer bail outs. Morality in the people, government and big business has ceased to exist.

Spike1 says:
People read or hear mostly the liberal side of the news and not the actual unaltered facts.
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Would the actual unaltered facts be “Fox Fake News Network”?

@Spike1

Get real—-it’s the Republicans who dominate the media,period–there are very few media outlets for straight-up hardcore liberal news,except for a handful of cable stations—-oh,wait a minute, I guess any news outlet which dosen’t regurgitate Fox News Republican talking points is automatically the liberal side? I swear, you Rethuglicans are so eager to get rid of Obama, you’ll force yourself to believe ANY damn thing as long as it’s stupid enough to get him ousted. How convienient that your idiot boy Trump just happens to be the only one that qualifies to be on the ballot under that stupid new law. Funny how this issue of a President’s citizenship was NEVER once brought up until Obama came into office. Hell, even John McCain, who wasn’t born on U.S. soil wouldn’t have been qualified to be on the ballot under this law—duh,wonder why. Funny how THAT was never made an issue in the last election—in fact, it’s NEVER been an issue because the majority of the standing presidents have been white, THAT’S why. That’s why this whole birth issue is really racist at its roots.

BTW, I never even heard of a long-form birth certificate until all this birther BS started. I have a pocket-sized one that I only got about 3 years ago (my original copy of my old birth certificate crumbled into dust years ago,probably because I didn’t get it laminated). So even though I have proof of where I was born, according to these stupid birther idiots, I’m not a citizen because I don’t have one, and according to that fool Trump, we’re supposed to remember the EXACT number of the room in which we were born, and according to the birthers, if one of your parents is a foreigner, you can’t be a U.S. citizen even though our own constitution says you are? I mean, the fact that they went to such lengths to concoct this BS conspiracy theory that Obama’s parents went all the damn way to Kenya in 1961 to give birth to him,then flew back all the way to Hawaii to put a fake birth notice in the newspaper—what’s scary is that there are a whole lot of reasonable people out there who actually believe this BS—I think it’s pathetic as hell that white folks,especially, are stooping so low as to believe this BS just because a lot of them can’t deal with the fact that a black man is President–well, it’s about damn time y’all got the hell over it, because he is! Deal with it!

Birthers, Rejoice! Arizona Senate Passes Bill That May Keep Obama Off Its Ballot

Now, if we can get the rest of the 57 states to go along, the US has a chance at getting out of this mess.

There are some interesting points in time in this article but I don’t know if I see all of them center to heart. There is some passat cc  validity but I will take hold opinion until I look into it further. Good article, thanks and we want more! 

Being born in the United States, just makes you a American citizent, not a Natural born born, where your father and mother both has to be a american citizen.