In other words, if we can not win the game, we are taking our ball home.

So let’s see. The Left wing votes AGAINST the will of the people and Matthews is upset that the Right wing is the one having problems with ‘Democracy?’ Please. The only thing that was ‘bipartisan’ here was an effort to DEFEAT this bill. The bill passed on a straight, biased, one-party vote. But that kind of ‘Democracy’ is OK with the guy who toils for a cable channel that The Cartoon Network routinely beats. OK then!

Chris is certainly correct. The rightists seem to abhor democracy. However, it is in no small part the fault of moderate, progressives and liberals. We were too nice too W & Company, and they took advantage of us. W through James Baker and Poppy have the Supreme Court appoint W, the loser of the popular vote in 2000, and we are largely silent. W through Turd Blossom, acts as if he has this great mandate, and we don’t challenge. On 9/11, the long known attack came, and we accepted W’ s plea of ignorance, through W and Condi,The ludicrous lie of WMD is thrown out by W, Condi, Donnie and the Big Dick, and we go along. The Swiftboat Liars W via Rove and Kay Bailey Hutchinson – we condemn, but don’t press. In 2004, Ohio is Florida, and we let it pass. W drives our economy off the cliff, and we’re not shocked enough to cry out. How we ever entrusted our democracy, our Republic to these people who so abhor democracy and representative government is a complete mystery to me. I’m glad Chris has realized this, and he hope he never lets us forget the mystery we inflicted upon ourselves from December 2000 through mid-January 2009.

What do the Right Wingers Like? How about the Constitution, Chris. That’s what that pile of shredded papers in the Rotunda used to comprise.

Hey, I am not afraid to say it…I abhor democracy! I have some very good company in this regard in that most of the founding fathers ALSO hated democracy. That is why they put together a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, which is the ANTITHESIS to democracy.

Democracy has a 100% failure rate throughout all of recorded history.

Democracy is the only tool the marxist can use to “transform” from a republic to socialism —>communism/fascism—–>pure marxist “utopia”.

Democracy is the enemy of liberty and freedom. Democracy is 3 wolves and a lamb “voting” on what is for dinner.

Get real folks…until we are willing to own our opposition to “democracy” we will allow the enemies of liberty and freedom to USE democracy to enslave us.

By looking at the (White) Tea Partiers, I would say that Right Wingers must like super-sized fries. If the Constitution and a Twinkie wrapper were blowing down the street, I am sure any (White) Tea Partier would bend down, not an easy task, to be sure, to pick up the Twinkie wrapper hoping for some “cream” residue and a few crumbs. Chris just happens to recognize that, Martini, and you don’t.

That’s the problem Chris. You forgot what democracy is all abt. It is not abt the govt. taking over companies or forcing HC on people or spending money we don’t have.

>That is why they put together a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC, which is the ANTITHESIS to democracy.

This has been debunked a thousand times.

The reason why the Founding Fathers used the term “republic” was because back then the definition of “democracy” was according to Aristotle’s perverted type of government ruled by the masses.

When we use the word “democracy” today we actually mean the term “liberal democracy”.

The word “republic” has also changed definition. Today it simply means whether a country’s head of state is an elected official or monarch.

If you want to go back and use older definitions of the word “republic”, I suggest you go back and use the ORIGINAL meaning that the Founding Fathers took from – the Roman Res Publica. But you won’t do that – right?

King, I have to ask. What is your obsession with putting White before tea-partier everytime? Did you watch the link I gave you of a Black tea-partier debating Shuster, or are you so stuck with your mold of what a tea-partier is that you can’t envision someone of color being a part of it.

As far as Chris goes, more people will watch the link here than watched it on MSNBC. He’s completely irrelevant, just like the rest of the network.

chris,
The right voting against the health care bill was certainly an exercise in democracy. However, when you start closing down Congress, preventing consideration of other important bills, as a childish objection to the outcome of that democratic process, then that says you do not accept the outcome of the democratic process which is just as important as the process itself. Thus, we lost, now we will take our ball and go home.

Michelle,
I don’t think Chris Matthews is irrelevant, any more than Hannity, Beck or O’Reilly are irrelevant. Either that, or you will have to say that they are all irrelevant (which I do not think is the case). The impact of all of those commentators goes well beyond the ratings they get, which even in the case of FOX, the highest rated cable news show, are still only seen by a few million people out of 300 million. The USA network has a bigger audience than FOX.

Michelle F:

I liked you link with the African-American tea partier, but there’s an even better one. This is just priceless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4

valkyrie101 says:
March 26, 2010 at 10:17 am

Objecting to bills is as American as apple pie. We have 2 houses and a President for a a very simple reason, to put checks and balances in place when a bunch of rogue loons goes haywire (like now)….

Jesus, you people have no concept of how this works, you just whine like three year olds when your “side” doesn’t get it’s treat at recess.

Matthews brings up a good point. I have no idea how this video would “raise eyebrows”, though.

So King, your argument is that “right wing” Tea-Partyers do not like Democracy because you think they are all fat? What trenchant political analysis. I’m enlightened – which I seem to need, since I’m so heavy.

If you look at the ratings, you will see that no one watches “Tingles.”

Everything he says is word for word out of the White House or the DNC.

So, who cares what this blowhard says!

“We were too nice to W and Company.”

Bwwaaahhhhhaaaaahhhhaaaahhhhaaaaa.

valkyrie101 says:
March 26, 2010 at 10:23 am
Michelle,
I don’t think Chris Matthews is irrelevant, any more than Hannity, Beck or O’Reilly are irrelevant.

Then we agree to disagree. The three on Fox have WAY more pull than Matthews. That’s just according to how much the lefts hates them.

Finch, funny you should post that, because I was thinking of that clip at the time. It is truly pricesless.

TRRK seems to equate physical attractiveness with which side of the political aisle you’re on. Didn’t know the two were connected.

I remember a political science professor telling me, years ago, that the American political system was less about majority rule and more about ensuring protections and rights for those on the losing side of the votes. That is why there are so many checks and balances in the system, and why power politics that tries to steamroller these checks is tyrannical. So even if most people supported Obamacare, Matthews would still be missing the point. But the fact that he is so vocal about the “democratic triumphalism” of legislation that voters did not want shows how biased and corrupted he has become.

The question posed was what do rightists believe in (inferring, since they always seem to be opposed to everything). A flippant answer was the Constitution, which, if 2001-2008 taught is anything, is demonstrably untrue. Since I don’t live in a trailer park in Alabama, I don’t personally know any (White) Tea Partiers. I made a reasonable assumption based on appearance.

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As for (White), Michelle, yes, I saw the pictures. I was unimpressed. I remember seeing doctored pictures of the “mass” rally on Hannity, doubling the number of Partiers. The (White) Tea Partiers are a notably dishonest group. So, I made another assumption. Save and except for a few tokens, the (White) Tea Partiers or their toadies, at FOX, photoshopped some African Americans into the Konklave.

A bit off topic, Do any of you righties know when Rep. Eric is going to give his news conference? I am sure he will want to explain his misstatement in light of the police report.

So what you are saying King, is it wouldn’t really matter what contraty evidence is presented, you will not change your mind. Good to know so I won’t waste my time anymore. I’m truly sorry some on this site are so obsessed with race. I just do NOT get it. I see people as people, but you all on the left seem intent on seeing people in terms of color. It’s too bad you can’t look at the content of someones character and not the color of their skin. Perhaps one day you will grow enough to be able to do that.

Don’t hold your breath, Michelle. (White) Royal hates the (White) race, and that’s not going to change.

Michelle,
Well, you could be right about the influence of FOX News. The three or four million people it reaches as viewers out of a population of 300 million is one thing, but I have no doubt that the conservative politicians watch FOX, and that has influence well beyond the general population numbers. In fact, that is probably Fox’s primary influence, along with the internet which picks up on what Fox says, and that reaches millions more. However, my point was that even though MSNBC (and also Stewart and Colbert, CNN, etc.) reach only a few million people in the population collectively, that influence, like the influence of FOX, goes beyond the rating numbers too. The progressive politicians love Maddow, and they do watch her.

Well Writer, I will think of him and all of the others on this site who have called me a racist when I’m at my son’s soccer game tonight. He is on a spanish team and is the only caucasan. It’s hard for me to sit and joke with the other parents, all of whom are hispanic without showing my racism. I will also think of them afterward when my son has his monthly sleepover with his 3 best friends. One is from a family that hails from India, one is from Cambodia and the other is Hispanic. It’s hard to hide that racism, but I will do my level best.

I don’t think it has so much to do with the people you associate with, but whether or not you agree politically with the King. If the King says you’re a racist, then you are.

Matthews is the King of our dysfunctional press corps. Ive known this clown for almost two decades, back to when he was making $50 a column for the SF Examiner. He’s a uber jerk and when he started bleaching his hair blond in the nineties I realized that his vanity was as out of control as his ego . (Hint: I’ve learned to be nervous around women who do this – and NEVER trust a man who bleaches his hair blond. Yuck!)

At the birth of MSNBC he used to his show to be the kids klubhouse for the frauds that were pushing the Monica lewinsky (scandal( as the most important news story of all time even if it was obvious from day one that this was an attempted coup by the same GOP leadership (Newt, Livingston, Lott) who were all having well known (to all of inside DCD at least) affairs themselves.

After broadcasting numerous shows about whether Vince Foster was “murdered”, how many people the Clintons had “killed” back in Arkansas and whether Bill Clinton was a serial rapist. When the Senate and the vast majority of the American public made it very clear that Bill Clinton should not be removed from office because his opponents cynically used a private indiscretion to try to regain a government they lost DEMOCRATICALLY .

Matthews like a petulant aged child that he, then worked full time for the next two years to make sure that Al Gore paid the ultimate price for standing by President Clinton. The lies he told on air about Gore’s problems with “lying” will one day make a future playwright a very happy man. The tragedies launched by the ego of Matthews is Shakespearean in scope. He helped the dark side by pimping Monica, he lied non stop about what a “liar” Gore was and was the biggest buffoon of outrage during the “recount” in Florida. When Dubya arrived at 1600, Matthhews pushed Bush as the classic American hero and after 911 no one was more responsible for pushing the war fervor than Matthews. Though he later turned against it (like all the other faux liberals in the bought and paid for major media) Matthews is responsible as anybody in Washington for the two unending Middle east wars and the thousands of deaths that have resulted from same.

Jack Welch knew what he was buying when he chose Matthews to be his right wing anti Democrat Party – ex-democrat host.

Mr. Democracy here also railed on the airwaves for months that Hillary Clinton was a shrill shrew because she wanted to let the voters decide who should be the Democratic nominee instead of himself and the other blowhards who come on his disgraceful show.

What a total fraud he is. At the 2000 Dem convention at a Arianna pool party I got major league drunk with Matthew’s wife and seriously considered taking her liquor induced flirtations to the next level just because I despise him all that much…but though I too can be a jerk, Im not a world class, hall of fame assh*le like matthews so I decided against it because the poor woman is catholic, stuck to this richard…and surely has suffered enough by having to be around him more than one hour a day..

So when thousands of people gather to protest you can ignore the message because it comes from a bunch of fat white people. But then, when a solitary black gentleman in the administration admitted to being a Communist you can ignore that as well. Who can be listened to then?

Ex politicalmedia hack, you have contributed one of the pettiest and creepiest postings I have ever read on this site. I am not a huge fan of Chris Matthews, but I must rush to his defense after all the slime you dumped on him.

Well hack, sounds like your take on Matthews paints him as somewhat willing to cross the political isle in favor of going after Clinton. That wasn’t too lefty of him.

Your story about getting drunk with Matthews wife sounds, um, eccentric, wierd, vain, all of the above?

Bleaching his hair? A TV personality that does that? Oh, those vain TV personalities, how awful. I am forever jaded by that revelation.

Obviously you have a personal gripe with Matthews. Fortunately your powers of objectivity have remained in tact. LOL

Vakyrie,

matthews has no Party – he is a demagogue who jumps only to the bidding of the marketplace or his corporate masters.

Through his show, a TV madhouse – that few outside of DC ever watched – Matthew tried to rally the inside DC political media to destroy the Clinton admin and then later got them together to successfully simply mock and destroy Gore’s campaign shows that he is no Democrat. His backing of Obama doesnt tell me he is one now. Think if Hillary were elected the next President think he’d remain a cheerleader for her Administration too?

I have no personal beef with him whatsoever. None. My hatred and contempt for Matthews (and yes, I do hate this man) is entirely based on what he has done to our media, our culture, our politics, our nation. For having so few viewers – his effect has been large, permanent and deadly. Did you miss that I hold this man responsible for the election of Bush and two wars and all the people that have been maimed or killed in them? To me its a little bit more than “personal”.

And yes, a man bleaching his hair blond is very rare outside of the acting community and Tweety here. Name three others in the media that have done this…hell, name one…

eccentric, wierd, vain indeed

felixw,

thank you pal. we choose our sides. personally i think anyone who doesnt despise matthews for the damage he did by attacking clinton and gore and pimping bush is either a fool or ass, one or the other.

that would include the obots who loved it when he harrangued about hillary in all his sexist glory.

i wrote the true part about his wife and ariannas pool party in case he, by some misguided vanity, chooses to read the comment here written about him. if he does, he will remember that party and who she was flirting and drinking with.

F Matthews, I despise the guy and hate his “rebirth” as a hero to foolish Obama supporters who dont know or dont carte about what he did before he became a Obamaman. Its grotesque.

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again, Michelle. I do not believe you to be a racist. I believe you have a cripplingly narrow political ideology, but I believe you to live a life that is full, in every sense. By the same token, I have a broad, inclusive political ideology but a very conservative lifestyle. I suspect our lives are not that different, except that I adore coffee and consume gallons of it.

I believe Righter to be a terrible racist, and I believe the (White) Tea Parties to be rife with racism.

hack,
I consider myself to be progressive (or liberal if you prefer) and I have no problem hammering Clinton for all the lies and corruption that he brought. The man would never have won the democratic primary, if he had not brazenly lied about his long time affair with Flowers (and a few other things), so after that, he personally deserved what he got. I mean, what, you blame Matthews for reporting on Clinton’s despicable behavior? Why? It was not Clinton that brought success during his Presidency, as much as it was the democratic party, and the progressive movement, and they would have done much better with Bill Bradley or even Gore (but not Brown:-) at the helm. Heaven knows all the scandals seriously crippled the Clinton White House. That being said, he deserves credit for the good things he did, including bringing home a budget surplus, etc. Imagine what good would have flowed from a President leading the progressive cause without all the distractions.

Bush was elected because the American people were sick of, nee, aghast by Clinton and, as would not have been the case if Clinton had not completely discredited (not to mention humiliated) himself, and the office of the Presidency, he was more of a campaign liability to Gore than an asset. And all those Clinton scandals are what created the right’s counter movement, and people like Rush Limbaugh, and FOX, not to mention the political atmosphere where pundits are so cynical and demeaning of the office of the President, as is still the case today. That Lewinski incident, and most of the other stuff, was not Matthews fault. Clinton single handedly put back progessivism by twelve years.

As for Matthews, I do not care if he is perfect, I just care that most of the time, in my opinion, including his support of Obama, he is correct in his observations, not to mention the chills running up his leg. :-).

I believe you have a cripplingly narrow political ideology

King, you have a way of acting like you are trying to be civil, but backhandedly insulting people. You can think that the tea party if rife with racism, because you are entitled to your opinion and I will continue to think that the Democratic party is the party that has most racism in it, because I’m entiitled to my opinion.

Michelle, I’m no longer buying the con. Anyone can claim anything on the internet, and who’s to know? Royal claims to be a (White) Texan. But think about it. He usually spells America with a ‘k’, and his posts indicate a real hatred of the (White) race. Does that really sound like a (White) Texan? Not saying it’s impossible, but it sounds fishy. Since Royal is always making assumptions of others, I will do likewise. Granted, white lefties usually have a fair amount of self-loathing and guilt, but Royal’s hatred goes beyond that. That leaves us with the more likely possibilities that he’s either a Black Panther or belongs to the Nation of Islam. I’m going with the latter, since they’re a little more upscale and his elitist snobbery fits that mold better. Does Royal seem more like a (White) Texan, or a black Muslim? Let his posts be the evidence.

Well Chris is correct and conservatives like a representative Republic which is what we have here in America.Redistribution of Wealth is not a mainstay of a REPUBLIC. The USA is a REPUBLIC not a DEMOCRACY.
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Remember March 23rd people because it is the “start” of Amerika’s entry into Socialism and then onto …………….

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21421

Here is yet, another problem Chris Mathews has and maybe the reason why he has “that tingly feeling running up his leg”. Personally, I think it was running “down” his leg instead!

Hey Keith Olbermann and Chris Mathews, take notice.

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=23009