Must be his response to the far right pull that threatens conservative fracture… Interesting that he asserts what most know in the foreign press… More division to follow…

“If you look underneath the surface of the Tea Party movement,” he told the paper, “You will find that it is not sophisticated.”

The Tea Party people should take that as a compliment. No elitist swine, just regular Americans who know right from wrong.

Go to hell Karl. The Tea party may not be smart or educated but they are *real americans* and very sophisticated in their vision for the country. Have you not heard of Palin, Angle or O’Donnell and their specific plans on how they will change the country? So what if their supporters are not smart in your books? That is democracy at its finest. Stupid people are allowed to vote too.

teabagging rulz said:
Stupid people are allowed to vote too.

HAHHAHAHHA God you people are funny today.

“If you look underneath the surface of the Tea Party movement,” he told the paper, “You will find that it is not sophisticated.” then he laughed and said, “I just farted!”

teabagging rulz said:
Stupid people are allowed to vote too.

If the TP ever becomes a legitimate political party, THIS should be their slogan.

“It’s not like these people have read the economist Friedrich August von Hayek.”

It’s odd that he would say that. ‘Road to Serfdom’ is a bestseller with the Tea Party. In fact, it became literally a bestseller after Glenn Beck mentioned it.

That’s certainly one way of saying, “I have read the economist Friedrich August von Hayek.”

LOL.

Dang it, Rove! You weren’t supposed to let the Conservatives know you were a lefty the whole time! You’ve just outed yourself!

We already know the Tea Party movement isn’t sophisticated. It’s based on simple views of smaller government, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility. That’s the rabble for you.

On the flip side is the ‘sophisticated’ liberal stance Rove and Bush and Obama and Pelosi push – BIGGER government, HIGHER taxes, fiscal IRRESPOSNIBILITY. It’s what snooty muckety-muck sophisticates want.

Speaking as a conservative registered Independent, Rove needs to go home and play with his trains or build a ship in a bottle or something. Enough. Yeesh.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

He is right, though. He knows his business. He knows his craft. It’s why he has been so very successful over the years.

Well, after having read the link, I must say:

PUT RAY ON THE NOT SO FAIR LIST OF COLUMNISTS here. This write-up of the interview is laughable, but oh so typical, of the pick and chose, liberal left’s view of the written word.

Too funny Ray, I think you are worse than Tommy….and rest assured, that is NOT a complement.

Hugo Daun said:
If the TP ever becomes a legitimate political party, THIS should be their slogan.

I’m not a fan of blanket put downs , but I have to admit, this is funny.

The entire interview is worth reading. E.g.,

SPIEGEL: The Republican Party used to have a broad center. All of a sudden, we have this completely new phenomenon in which outsiders like Sarah Palin play a very large role in the party. She almost seems to dominate the party.

Rove: What’s unusual about that? She’s a rambunctious reformist former governor from the state of Alaska. Both parties have seen relative newcomers like this emerge before.

SPIEGEL: She wasn’t, though, part of the Republican Party establishment.

Rove: Ronald Reagan wasn’t in the establishment of the Republican Party either, nor was Richard Nixon.

SPIEGEL: It is nevertheless striking how little experience she has. That’s new.

Rove: Oh really? I believe she was the chief executive of a state. She wasn’t simply a newly elected senator from the state of Illinois who had absolutely no accomplishments whatsoever.

Azarkhan said:
The entire interview is worth reading. E.g., SPIEGEL: The Republican Party used to have a broad center. All of a sudden, we have this completely new phenomenon in which outsiders like Sarah Palin play a very large role in the party. She almost seems to dominate the party. Rove: What’s unusual about that? She’s a rambunctious reformist former governor from the state of Alaska. Both parties have seen relative newcomers like this emerge before. SPIEGEL: She wasn’t, though, part of the Republican Party establishment. Rove: Ronald Reagan wasn’t in the establishment of the Republican Party either, nor was Richard Nixon. SPIEGEL: It is nevertheless striking how little experience she has. That’s new. Rove: Oh really? I believe she was the chief executive of a state. She wasn’t simply a newly elected senator from the state of Illinois who had absolutely no accomplishments whatsoever.

Worth repeating.

Hey, where’s the report about Maddow’s claim that a republican congressman had prior knowledge to the Oklahoma City bombings and did nothing to stop it?

That was Monday.

“In 1994, in the first mid-term election after the last Democratic president was elected, we got a slate of candidates that included Helen Chenoweth of Idaho and Steve Stockman of Texas. These two were so close to the militia movement in this country that Mr. Stockman actually received advance notice that the Oklahoma City bombing was going to happen.”

This is a false accusation.

Will Mediaite go against their MSNBC boss and report that? Did I miss that?

Karl, why can’t you say any of that here, in America?

Of course they aren’t sophisticated they aren’t very knowledgeable either, they usually only have a cursory grasp of the Constitution, when they come out against the Ground Zero Mosque I have to laugh at them and think, you dont care at all about our constitution, you are angry Republicans that are still mad that your guy didn’t win.

The Real Royal Knig said:
Hey, where’s the report about Maddow’s claim that a republican congressman had prior knowledge to the Oklahoma City bombings and did nothing to stop it?

That was Monday.

“In 1994, in the first mid-term election after the last Democratic president was elected, we got a slate of candidates that included Helen Chenoweth of Idaho and Steve Stockman of Texas. These two were so close to the militia movement in this country that Mr. Stockman actually received advance notice that the Oklahoma City bombing was going to happen.”

This is a false accusation.

Will Mediaite go against their MSNBC boss and report that? Did I miss that?

So you deny something that is true? That doesn’t surprise me, Rep. Stockman was in fact notified of Okla City before it was about to go down, so was William Cooper. Shall I produce the proof or do you want to use the google and find out on your own, it’s easy.

teabagging rulz said:
Go to hell Karl. The Tea party may not be smart or educated but they are *real americans* and very sophisticated in their vision for the country. Have you not heard of Palin, Angle or O’Donnell and their specific plans on how they will change the country? So what if their supporters are not smart in your books? That is democracy at its finest. Stupid people are allowed to vote too.

He didn’t say they weren’t smart. He said they weren’t sophisticated. He may very well be correct and that is not a bad thing. As you say, they are real Americans who are tired of the massively large government and spending.
They will have plenty of time to get sophisticated.

Jonathan Scott said:
Of course they aren’t sophisticated they aren’t very knowledgeable either, they usually only have a cursory grasp of the Constitution, when they come out against the Ground Zero Mosque I have to laugh at them and think, you dont care at all about our constitution, you are angry Republicans that are still mad that your guy didn’t win.

I guess you missed those town hall meetings last year where Democrats were ask about the constitution and came off looking like the fools that they are.

Jonathan Scott said:
So you deny something that is true? That doesn’t surprise me, Rep. Stockman was in fact notified of Okla City before it was about to go down, so was William Cooper. Shall I produce the proof or do you want to use the google and find out on your own, it’s easy.

This I gotta see. Yes please show us the proof. And it better be from an unimpeachable source.

The TP is sophisticated enough to go to the polls and vote out the DC Republican establishment; for which Rove happens to be a major player. Rove’s worried that he and all the ‘sophisticated’ DC establishment Repubs, will lose their Taxpayer-funded ATM, when they are all sent packing. Rove should take his sophistication back to TX and see how well his sophistication pays, on a real job. LOL.

No kidding; and the sky is blue.

Mr.Papshmer said:
[quoting Rove]“If you look underneath the surface of the Tea Party movement,” he told the paper, “You will find that it is not sophisticated.”

The Tea Party people should take that as a compliment. No elitist swine, just regular Americans who know right from wrong.

It doesn’t require simplicity to know right from wrong. Being simple doesn’t make you honest. It just means you’re you’re simple.

Der Spiegel is the Time Magazine of Germany, only better. Rove has to be one of the most skilled political manipulators around and it was interesting that he exposed himself more than he usually does. Asides from the horrific Nazi interlude Germany has a lot to teach us. They’re a sophisticated, talented people Angela Merkel is a conservative, but German conservatives are way to the left of whatever passes for an American conservative. They have universal health care and a lot of high grade free and/or inexpensive education and, because of the scars left by the Nazi period, they are the least likely nation in the world to foment war. They had advanced social welfare over 100 years ago under Bismarck. So the interviewer from Der Spiegel was probably in wonderment that he was talking to the guy who has done more than anybody else in dumbing down America and he was proud of it. Rove’s responses were revealing in that he was saying we don’t need any of that ‘social democracy’ stuff you have, we’re Americans and we are such a high advanced culture that we produce political figures like Bush, Palin and Rove who are so much better than what you have. We should be ashamed of ourselves that we have people like Rove explaining why America is so great when the rest of the world knows that we’re down on our luck and have, temporarily, lost our way. Unfortunately, Rove doesn’t have a clue. Fortunately, Obama has two more years to help reset our course.

ganymede said:
Der Spiegel is the Time Magazine of Germany, only better. Rove has to be one of the most skilled political manipulators around and it was interesting that he exposed himself more than he usually does. Asides from the horrific Nazi interlude Germany has a lot to teach us. They’re a sophisticated, talented people Angela Merkel is a conservative, but German conservatives are way to the left of whatever passes for an American conservative. They have universal health care and a lot of high grade free and/or inexpensive education and, because of the scars left by the Nazi period, they are the least likely nation in the world to foment war. They had advanced social welfare over 100 years ago under Bismarck. So the interviewer from Der Spiegel was probably in wonderment that he was talking to the guy who has done more than anybody else in dumbing down America and he was proud of it. Rove’s responses were revealing in that he was saying we don’t need any of that ’social democracy’ stuff you have, we’re Americans and we are such a high advanced culture that we produce political figures like Bush, Palin and Rove who are so much better than what you have. We should be ashamed of ourselves that we have people like Rove explaining why America is so great when the rest of the world knows that we’re down on our luck and have, temporarily, lost our way. Unfortunately, Rove doesn’t have a clue. Fortunately, Obama has two more years to help reset our course.

Your thinking intrigues me, how might I subscribe to your newsletter?

ganymede said:
Der Spiegel is the Time Magazine of Germany, only better. Rove has to be one of the most skilled political manipulators around and it was interesting that he exposed himself more than he usually does. Asides from the horrific Nazi interlude Germany has a lot to teach us. They’re a sophisticated, talented people Angela Merkel is a conservative, but German conservatives are way to the left of whatever passes for an American conservative. They have universal health care and a lot of high grade free and/or inexpensive education and, because of the scars left by the Nazi period, they are the least likely nation in the world to foment war. They had advanced social welfare over 100 years ago under Bismarck. So the interviewer from Der Spiegel was probably in wonderment that he was talking to the guy who has done more than anybody else in dumbing down America and he was proud of it. Rove’s responses were revealing in that he was saying we don’t need any of that ’social democracy’ stuff you have, we’re Americans and we are such a high advanced culture that we produce political figures like Bush, Palin and Rove who are so much better than what you have. We should be ashamed of ourselves that we have people like Rove explaining why America is so great when the rest of the world knows that we’re down on our luck and have, temporarily, lost our way. Unfortunately, Rove doesn’t have a clue. Fortunately, Obama has two more years to help reset our course.

All of my foreign friends realize how far America has fallen since the Bush administration. Intellectually, we’re at an all time low (as evidenced by the tea bagger movement and their uninformed and incoherent politics). Politically, they’re amazed that such a ruling as Citizens United could ever have come to pass in a democracy as storied and proud as ours – the integrity of our system is now essentially bankrupt.

It’s going to take a long time for America to dig itself out of this hole. Thankfully the driving force behind these problems has been the Republican party, and they are losing more and more of the constituency each day (intellectuals, Blacks, Hispanics, youth, GLTB, the list goes on). They’re mostly white males that are 51 years of age or older. By the time today’s young adult population matures (another decade) the country should begin getting back on track.

Until then, enjoy the fruits of Fox News and powerful billionaire-backed lobbyists.

Jonathan Scott said:
So you deny something that is true? That doesn’t surprise me, Rep. Stockman was in fact notified of Okla City before it was about to go down, so was William Cooper. Shall I produce the proof or do you want to use the google and find out on your own, it’s easy.

I await with bated breath. Because receiveing a fax after the attack isn’t “before.”

Maybe they’re not “sophisticated” Mr. Rove, but their votes count just as much as yours. You had better wake the hell up and smell the coffee.

SPIEGEL: Are you convinced, then, that the Republican Party will be able to integrate the Tea Party without drifting too far to the right?

Rove: Sure. There have been movements like this before — the Civil Rights movement, the anti-war movement, the pro-life movement, the Second Amendment rights movement. All of them popped up, insistent, loud, and relatively unsophisticated. They wanted everything now and for politicians to be with them 100 percent of the time. And after an election or two, people wake up saying, our system produces mostly incremental progress and takes time and compromise. That’s exactly what’s going to happen here. I meet a lot of Tea Partiers as I go around the country, and they are amazing people. Most have never been involved in politics before. This is their first experience, and they have the enthusiasm of people who have never done it before.

SPIEGEL: Is the Tea Party movement a repeat of the Reagan Revolution?

Rove: It’s a little bit different because the Reagan Revolution was driven a lot by the persona of one man, Ronald Reagan, who had an optimistic and sunny view of what the nation could be. It was also a well-organized, coherent, ideologically motivated and conservative revolution. If you look underneath the surface of the Tea Party movement, on the other hand, you will find that it is not sophisticated. It’s not like these people have read the economist Friedrich August von Hayek. Rather, these are people who are deeply concerned about what they see happening to their country, particularly when it comes to spending, deficits, debt and health care.

‘Not sophisticated’ is a euphemism for ‘Not From Around Here’ or ‘Not Invented Here.’ Rove and those of his ilk are going to be marginalized because we are learning day by day that people like our so-called ‘sophisticated’ big-eared cigarette smoking President are disasters. After the Obama regime and all its ‘smarter-than-thou’ members, ‘sophisticated’ is the absolute worst badge to be wearing. Look where ‘sophisticated’ has landed us.

Infighting is funny.

ChrisNH said:
‘Not sophisticated’ is a euphemism for ‘Not From Around Here’ or ‘Not Invented Here.’ Rove and those of his ilk are going to be marginalized because we are learning day by day that people like our so-called ’sophisticated’ big-eared cigarette smoking President are disasters. After the Obama regime and all its ’smarter-than-thou’ members, ’sophisticated’ is the absolute worst badge to be wearing. Look where ’sophisticated’ has landed us.

Damn right.

Big Eddie’s Der Spiegel paperboy must have thrown today’s copy in the bushes .

But then NOTHING in modern Murcuh is “sophisticated.” Only a precious chosen few of us.

Smart presidents. I mean, intelligent presidents, never click with Americans.
For instance, Jimmy Carter…smart man, lousy president.
Richard Nixon, smart man….undone by his own paranoia.
Obama, smart man….verdict out, but he’s got problems.

Compare that to:
George Bush…you gotta be kidding…two term president.
Bill Clinton…Southern Bubba…two term president.

To most of America, smart means elitist. Americans, for reasons I’ll never understand, want a president they can have a beer with. Who gives a crap if I can have a beer with my president and talk about football? Just keep me out of war and keep my property taxes low.

Now please tell me how much I hate America.

redleaf said:
Smart presidents. I mean, intelligent presidents, never click with Americans

Ronald Reagan clicked with Americans, and he was smart but no elitist.

HOW DARE HE BE HONEST !

Azarkhan said:
Ronald Reagan clicked with Americans, and he was smart but no elitist.

Ronald Reagan raised taxes

http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/02/barack-obama-ronald-reagan-budget-taxes-opinions-contributors-rob-shapiro.html

Ronald Reagan tripled the gross federal debt

http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488

Karl say its not so! The tea party loves you, please love us! Please don’t tell our wonderful party that McConnell thinks we are over doing the promises we are making to get elected! Please don’t tell us that Boehner and the rest of the crew ” used us ” to get votes and take the house and that they won’t let us do the crazy things we said, once we are in office! Please explain to us how we can go around the senate that will never allow our crazy agenda! How do we get past the veto? Can we get our money back? We love you Karl, keep the hate alive!