We didn’t need Politifact to tell us this. IT IS APPARENT if you listen to her

But IT IS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Isn’t Politifact an organization similar to that CREW outfit?
CREW is the “non-partisan” operation that is filing the complaints against O’Donnell… just happens to be funded by George Soros and SEIU and entire board long term Democratic politicos.
Politifact is just a clone operation.
Why this site would even mention them is beyond me…. what? this site is another one too? Oh…

When I compare Michele Bachmann’s “lies” with the “lies” advanced on this site….
I’ll take Michele Bachmann anyday!

“Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept,
the nomination of my party for another term as your President.”

In a speech to be delivered by Barack Obama on or before March 31, 2012,
Original quote from LBJ’s, 3/31/68 speech to the nation!

philipjames said:
Isn’t Politifact an organization similar to that CREW outfit?
CREW is the “non-partisan” operation that is filing the complaints against O’Donnell… just happens to be funded by George Soros and SEIU and entire board long term Democratic politicos.
Politifact is just a clone operation.
Why this site would even mention them is beyond me…. what? this site is another one too? Oh…

Like most commentors on this site, I see you fail to EDUCATE YOURSELF before commenting.

You’re on the computer. USE THE GOOGLE

Just in from Politifact: WATER IS WET!

“Remember Michele Bachmann?”

LOL. Fools like Nancy Pelosi never forget her. That is why the Left is pouring millions into her congressional race in a vain attempt to defeat her.

BTW, I know you guys want to promote Politifact as objective and non-partisan, but it’s not. It’s just another leftist hack site, with only slightly more credibility then MediaMatters (or for that matter, Mediaite).

Is it because FACTS HAVE A LIBERAL BIAS?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

zumpano said:
Like most commentors on this site, I see you fail to EDUCATE YOURSELF before commenting.

You’re on the computer. USE THE GOOGLE

Lets have some light shone on the liberal left wing wackos attacking Christine O’Donnell…

“CREW, the Democratic operation that claims to be non-partisan, filed complaints against Christine:

CREW’s top leadership does have predominantly Democratic roots. Board member Craig Kaplan, for example, is a New York attorney who contributed more than $96,000 to Democratic candidates between Jan. 1, 2007, and Aug. 1, 2010.

Another CREW board member, Al Dwoskin is a Fairfax-based investor who is a director of Democracy Alliance, a gathering of 80 prominent high-dollar Democrat funders begun in 2005 to create a new liberal infrastructure to compete with the think tanks, media and activist groups on the Right. Since 2007, Dwoskin has contributed more than $217,000 to Democratic candidates.

Another board member, Louis Mayberg of Silver Spring, contributed $3,900 to Democratic candidates.

Other CREW board members include liberal legal scholar and author Erwin Chemerinsky, Salon.com columnist Glenn Greenwald, venture capitalist John Luongo, and Sloan.

Sloan was appointed by President Clinton in 1998 as an assistant U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia.

Prior to that position, Sloan was a Democratic congressional staffer working for Sen. Charles Schumer, D-NY, Sen. Joe Biden, D-DE, and Rep. John Conyers, D-MI.”

Now, lets look at Mediaite…

“The site’s managing editor is Colby Hall. Hall described the site as “Huffington Post meets Gawker… why? Because another principal of this site is Rachel Sklar, a move over from Huffington Post hierarchy. We all know that George Soros has bankrolled Huffington in a big way as it continually loses a ton of money… as for Dan Abrams, the main honcho here, he’s a main character in all things left wing.”

So, its one big daisy chain of liberal, Democrat promoting web sites.

Isn’t this thread about POLITIFACT?

philipjames said:
Isn’t Politifact an organization similar to that CREW outfit?

Polifact is part of the St. Petersburg Times. Factcheck.org is much more reliable.

Just out of curiosity, did any of you actually look at the Politifact site? Besides Bachmann’s apparent inability to tell the truth, they also take the same look at Democrats.

I realize that the new reality is to simply attack the messenger, but sometimes the message should get looked at.

Oh, and do you think you can make it through one thread without hurling stupid pointless insults at those you disagree with. I am talking to you Gordon and Royal King and the rest that seem to think the answer to any criticism is to personally attack without responding to the actual post?

Look at this thread. It went from a story about Bachamnn’s distaste for facts to a discourse on those attacking O’Donnell. Amazing leap of realities there folks.

This story was about Politifact’s findings on Bachmann’s issues with facts and truth, but immediately became about other organizations since the Bachmann stuff was unassailable.

And that is what is wrong with political discourse today. No discourse. All bluster, insult, attack and nonsense. It is not a partisan problem – it is the result of blind ideology based on anger and hate. And that applies to both sides. Both are thin skinned and whiners. Neither can take even a portion of what they dish out. If we are to ever get out of the mess this country is in, there is going to have to be some level of actual discussion and compromise. Otherwise, we are doomed to endlessly repeat this cycle of hate and anger from the losing side and arrogance and petulance from the winning side.

Best example – Bush as Hitler/Obama as Hitler. Both sides did this and both sides complained about it. Grow up!

http://www.itisnotagame.com

Well, if she told the truth, the Tea Partiers wouldn’t like her.

Being dishonest is a badge of honor for a tea partier.

Keeva said:

This story was about Politifact’s findings on Bachmann’s issues with facts and truth, but immediately became about other organizations since the Bachmann stuff was unassailable.

And that is what is wrong with political discourse today. No discourse. All bluster, insult, attack and nonsense. It is not a partisan problem – it is the result of blind ideology based on anger and hate. And that applies to both sides. Both are thin skinned and whiners. Neither can take even a portion of what they dish out. If we are to ever get out of the mess this country is in, there is going to have to be some level of actual discussion and compromise. Otherwise, we are doomed to endlessly repeat this cycle of hate and anger from the losing side and arrogance and petulance from the winning side.

Best example – Bush as Hitler/Obama as Hitler. Both sides did this and both sides complained about it. Grow up!

http://www.itisnotagame.com

This, upvotes x10. I don’t know if it’s “anger and hate” though, more like just a strong belief that my way is the better way and I’m not willing to compromise my principles. Michelle Bachmann isn’t representative of Republicans as a whole just like Alvin Greene isn’t representative of Democrats. They’re just two apples on a big tree.

That is brilliant BruceGoose but Michelle has been elected, re-elected, and has a large base of tea party support while Alvin Green hasn’t been elected, never will get elected. and has no base of support.

But keep trying. There is always a first.

I just looked at the list of “so called” lies by Bachmann. LOL.

Let me see now, every time Pelosi, Reid or Obama says that Republicans blocked their legislation, THAT IS A LIE. Everybody knows they don’t have the votes to block anything without DEMOCRAT votes.

They tell this LIE everyday. It is a whopper. Yet I don’t see it listed at Politifact? I see that LIE is repeated by the writers at Mediaite all the time.

The Bachmann “lies” fit that category of lie that is accepted by the MSM and Mediaite everyday. So, Glynnis find some REAL lies instead of political hyperbole.

So basically the face of the tea party is a crazed liar…big surprise. And when you point that out all of a sudden that website has a liberal bias. Then they point to factcheck as reliable, but didn’t they have a liberal bias when they confirmed the colb and denied criticisms of the hcr bill? The idiocy astounds.
By the way, Bachmann hasn’t gone anywhere. She posts here all the time and just uses an F rather than her last name.

philipjames says: “Isn’t Politifact an organization similar to that CREW outfit?”

No, not at all. PolitiFact won the Pulitzer Prize for their work and never took a dime from OSI.

No, Philip; Bachmann is a pathological liar, like so many on the far, far, reactionary right.

Hopefully this story will make it into one of Tarryl Clark’s ads.

Gorden, if you’re still around, you got called out for your racist comment:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/velma-hart-may-be-exhausted-with-defending-him-but-has-great-faith-in-obama/

She is a reasonable voice in an unreasonable world.

2 people that I find hard to defend is Bachmann and Angle. I try, but their phrasing is usually not good. I can only muster it when they get attacked by the viscious name-callers.

Only thing else is that they aren’t in my area of representation. It is amusing how the races become national. Like who gives a shit about Florida District 1? Someone in Nebraska District 4? People in New York? I hope they change to be more regional or strictly for that state/district.

GlennBeckReview said:
Gorden, if you’re still around, you got called out for your racist comment:http://www.mediaite.com/online/velma-hart-may-be-exhausted-with-defending-him-but-has-great-faith-in-obama/

it wasn’t racist, look up the word. pointing out something isn’t racism. you can disagree with him if you like. I would say he exaggerated to make a point, but there’s some truth to it.

philipjames said:
Lets have some light shone on the liberal left wing wackos attacking Christine O’Donnell… “CREW, the Democratic operation that claims to be non-partisan, filed complaints against Christine: CREW’s top leadership does have predominantly Democratic roots. Board member Craig Kaplan, for example, is a New York attorney who contributed more than $96,000 to Democratic candidates between Jan. 1, 2007, and Aug. 1, 2010. Another CREW board member, Al Dwoskin is a Fairfax-based investor who is a director of Democracy Alliance, a gathering of 80 prominent high-dollar Democrat funders begun in 2005 to create a new liberal infrastructure to compete with the think tanks, media and activist groups on the Right. Since 2007, Dwoskin has contributed more than $217,000 to Democratic candidates. Another board member, Louis Mayberg of Silver Spring, contributed $3,900 to Democratic candidates. Other CREW board members include liberal legal scholar and author Erwin Chemerinsky, Salon.com columnist Glenn Greenwald, venture capitalist John Luongo, and Sloan. Sloan was appointed by President Clinton in 1998 as an assistant U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia. Prior to that position, Sloan was a Democratic congressional staffer working for Sen. Charles Schumer, D-NY, Sen. Joe Biden, D-DE, and Rep. John Conyers, D-MI.” Now, lets look at Mediaite… “The site’s managing editor is Colby Hall. Hall described the site as “Huffington Post meets Gawker… why? Because another principal of this site is Rachel Sklar, a move over from Huffington Post hierarchy. We all know that George Soros has bankrolled Huffington in a big way as it continually loses a ton of money… as for Dan Abrams, the main honcho here, he’s a main character in all things left wing.” So, its one big daisy chain of liberal, Democrat promoting web sites.

More like one GIANT tin-foil hat you are wearing.

notsofast said:
She is a reasonable voice in an unreasonable world.

Notsofast, you do realize you’re talking about Michele Bachmann, right?

You know, the woman who said no less than a million people showed up at Beck’s rally?

notsofast says: “She is a reasonable voice in an unreasonable world.”

On an article pointing at this woman as a record setting liar, it takes either huge gonads or no morals to make the statement that this extremely reactionary, religulous fruit cake is “a reasonable voice.”

Not so fast, you just let your freak flag fly.

I’ve donated to ONE candidate that is not vying to represent me in NY, Tarryl Clark, Bachmann’s challenger. I wish I could afford to send her the maximum allowed by law.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
So basically the face of the tea party is a crazed liar…big surprise. And when you point that out all of a sudden that website has a liberal bias. Then they point to factcheck as reliable, but didn’t they have a liberal bias when they confirmed the colb and denied criticisms of the hcr bill? The idiocy astounds.

qft

GlennBeckReview said:
Gorden, if you’re still around, you got called out for your racist comment:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/velma-hart-may-be-exhausted-with-defending-him-but-has-great-faith-in-obama/

There is no such thing as being called “out” by nameless faceless clowns that comment here. People with phony names can’t “call people out”. You don’t get it do you?
Anyone can call any statement racist. You have to have some standing to do so. Phony names have NO standing.
Just because phony people say a statement is racist that doesn’t mean it is true. You clowns bandie that about all the time and have rendered it useless.

gordonbloyershow said:
There is no such thing as being called “out” by nameless faceless clowns that comment here. People with phony names can’t “call people out”. You don’t get it do you?
Anyone can call any statement racist. You have to have some standing to do so. Phony names have NO standing.
Just because phony people say a statement is racist that doesn’t mean it is true. You clowns bandie that about all the time and have rendered it useless.

Translation: I have no argument, so I’m going to go back to more baseless bullsh*t and excuses.
Furthermore by your definiton, somebody could come out and say “I hate Ni*gers!” and if we called him a racist it wouldn’t be valid. You’ve got to be the dumbest piece of sh*t alive today. You’ll never be Rush limbaugh so just give up the act. Phone names? That’s stupid as hell. My name may be “phony” but your personality is plagiarized. .

zumpano said:
Is it because FACTS HAVE A LIBERAL BIAS? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Hey zumpano, you and I are on the same side. So I sadly say to you: Please lose the sarcasm all the time. And please stop using all caps on some of your words. It makes you look like some of the other loons on this site that little to say other than belittling others. Please.

Keeva said:
Oh, and do you think you can make it through one thread without hurling stupid pointless insults at those you disagree with. I am talking to you Gordon and Royal King and the rest that seem to think the answer to any criticism is to personally attack without responding to the actual post?

See, others do not like the sarcasm, rude comments and filthy garbage that some of you toss out on this site as thougtful invective. Well said, Keeva.

gordonbloyershow said:
There is no such thing as being called “out” by nameless faceless clowns that comment here. People with phony names can’t “call people out”. You don’t get it do you?Anyone can call any statement racist. You have to have some standing to do so. Phony names have NO standing.Just because phony people say a statement is racist that doesn’t mean it is true. You clowns bandie that about all the time and have rendered it useless.

Gordio, you are aware that most of the people on this site have phony names, aren’t you? And you are aware that means that a whole lot of conservatives have phony names, aren’t you? So either condemn them for having phony names as often as you condemn others. Or stop using such a childish attack.

gordonbloyershow said:
I just looked at the list of “so called” lies by Bachmann. LOL.

Let me see now, every time Pelosi, Reid or Obama says that Republicans blocked their legislation, THAT IS A LIE. Everybody knows they don’t have the votes to block anything without DEMOCRAT votes.

That is a BIG LIE; I know Rush would be proud of you, but didn’t Bush always ask for an up and down vote?? We have record filibusters from the right. Why don’t they get a vote? I’m sure a few repub- lights like Lincoln, Nelson and Lieberman would vote with the right. You know why because the Repubs created this Frankenstein monster called teabaggers and if the Republicans are seen looking at a Democrats their voted out. I’m not sure why the Maine Senators even try to vote with the Republicans any more, because their probably on the list and probably won’t survive a primary challenge from the teabaggers. Their only hope is that the teabagger won’t survive the next couple years which I predict may happen because of internal issues going on within the party.

Republicans are a very top down organization. They have to control their members and with teabaggers talking off script and not obeying orders represents a problem for them.

philipjames said:
Lets have some light shone on the liberal left wing wackos attacking Christine O’Donnell…

“CREW, the Democratic operation that claims to be non-partisan, filed complaints against Christine:

CREW’s top leadership does have predominantly Democratic roots. Board member Craig Kaplan, for example, is a New York attorney who contributed more than $96,000 to Democratic candidates between Jan. 1, 2007, and Aug. 1, 2010.

Another CREW board member, Al Dwoskin is a Fairfax-based investor who is a director of Democracy Alliance, a gathering of 80 prominent high-dollar Democrat funders begun in 2005 to create a new liberal infrastructure to compete with the think tanks, media and activist groups on the Right. Since 2007, Dwoskin has contributed more than $217,000 to Democratic candidates.

Another board member, Louis Mayberg of Silver Spring, contributed $3,900 to Democratic candidates.

Other CREW board members include liberal legal scholar and author Erwin Chemerinsky, Salon.com columnist Glenn Greenwald, venture capitalist John Luongo, and Sloan.

Sloan was appointed by President Clinton in 1998 as an assistant U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia.

Prior to that position, Sloan was a Democratic congressional staffer working for Sen. Charles Schumer, D-NY, Sen. Joe Biden, D-DE, and Rep. John Conyers, D-MI.”

Now, lets look at Mediaite…

“The site’s managing editor is Colby Hall. Hall described the site as “Huffington Post meets Gawker… why? Because another principal of this site is Rachel Sklar, a move over from Huffington Post hierarchy. We all know that George Soros has bankrolled Huffington in a big way as it continually loses a ton of money… as for Dan Abrams, the main honcho here, he’s a main character in all things left wing.”

So, its one big daisy chain of liberal, Democrat promoting web sites.

crew brought issues with maxine waters
http://www.citizensforethics.org/waters-ignores-the-facts
Kendrick Meek
http://www.citizensforethics.org/crookedcandidates2010#Meek
Gov. David Paterson (D-NY)
http://www.citizensforethics.org/worstgovernors#Paterson
Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM)
http://www.citizensforethics.org/worstgovernors#Richardson

and from their MOST CORRUPT LIST
Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY)
http://www.crewsmostcorrupt.org/node/432

stoogedudes said:
Notsofast, you do realize you’re talking about Michele Bachmann, right?

You know, the woman who said no less than a million people showed up at Beck’s rally?

2 million

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Translation: I have no argument, so I’m going to go back to more baseless bullsh*t and excuses.
Furthermore by your definiton, somebody could come out and say “I hate Ni*gers!” and if we called him a racist it wouldn’t be valid. You’ve got to be the dumbest piece of sh*t alive today. You’ll never be Rush limbaugh so just give up the act. Phone names? That’s stupid as hell. My name may be “phony” but your personality is plagiarized. .

I have to agree with you that the only thing authentic about Blower is his name and face.

gordonbloyershow said:
I just looked at the list of “so called” lies by Bachmann. LOL.

Let me see now, every time Pelosi, Reid or Obama says that Republicans blocked their legislation, THAT IS A LIE. Everybody knows they don’t have the votes to block anything without DEMOCRAT votes.

They tell this LIE everyday. It is a whopper. Yet I don’t see it listed at Politifact? I see that LIE is repeated by the writers at Mediaite all the time.

The Bachmann “lies” fit that category of lie that is accepted by the MSM and Mediaite everyday. So, Glynnis find some REAL lies instead of political hyperbole.

just a quick rundown fyi
John Boehner
http://politifact.com/personalities/john-boehner/
seems to tell the truth more than
Nancy Pelosi
http://politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/
but when they state that Michelle never tells the truth
http://politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/

we can”t believe them because
you think she’s pretty?
she has an (R) behind her name?
because you said so?

It doesn’t matter what Politifact or any other groups says about her.

Challenging conservatives with facts rarely accomplishes anything. It only makes them dig in harder.

Trying to argue with Conservatives using facts is always a losing battle.

If you use facts, regardless of the source, they’ll just say that the facts are a conspiracy or are biased.

Bloyer says: “There is no such thing as being called “out” by nameless faceless clowns that comment here. People with phony names can’t “call people out”. You don’t get it do you?”

Well, Gordo, this is my real name. Feel free to look it up. My work website address is http://www.swissarmyjew.com. I dare you to provide that much info.

As far as the Senate Republicans blocking legislation, that is not a lie. The Senate Republicans are proud of themselves for it and say they will keep doing it. As far as Bachamnn’s lies, dude, read that stuff. She makes it up. So do some Dems, but Bachmann is the top of the list for making things up.

To be fair, actual conservatives are open to discussion and debate as are actual liberals. The extremes represented here are neither. Keep in mind, the extreme right has created “Republicans in Name Only” which I think is the single funniest label to come down the pipe in a long time. Apparently they get to decide who is a real Republican. Just like the Democrats who decided that Lieberman was not a real Democrat.

Don’t misunderstand me. I think the Democrats are as bad as the Republicans. Dems spent 8 years claiming Bush was not the legitimate president. They still say it. They blame everything on Bush, which is not always correct. In my opinion, both parties are hopelessly corrupt, hopelessly mired in their own filth and only interested in winning the next election. Neither wants to or is able to effectively govern.

The US will not progress one iota as long as the tenor of the debate is this pointless partisan sniping that avoids real issues and almost always ends in name calling and goofy accusations. Witness Bush/Obama as Hitler. Seriously.

As a firm No Party Affiliation (NPA and Proud!) person, I am enjoying watching both parties eat their own young in pursuit of their extreme wings.

http://www.itisnotagame.com

alamo2 said:
Gordio, you are aware that most of the people on this site have phony names, aren’t you? And you are aware that means that a whole lot of conservatives have phony names, aren’t you? So either condemn them for having phony names as often as you condemn others. Or stop using such a childish attack.

Poor alamo, I have said on previous post that I don’t care what name people use if they just comment. It ONLY matters when people attack others and use that name to hide, like almost all the lefties here. When someone claims that they are a scientist, soldier, doctor or any kind of expert of any kind a phony name won’t cut it. People hiding behind those names can say they are anything, who knows? Why would anyone believe them?
You pretend not to get it because you hide and you think you can use safety as an excuse.
I have had people threaten me for years, I am still here.
If you are concerned then don’t attack people and don’t make claims that you can’t prove? I stand behind everything I say. I can prove everything I say about myself. NO ONE but a fool would attack me for making stuff up about myself. There are fools here and they hide behind phony names.

Keeva said:
Well, Gordo, this is my real name. Feel free to look it up. My work website address is http://www.swissarmyjew.com. I dare you to provide that much info.

Since you are new here you don’t seem to notice that you can Google “gordon bloyer” and you will find my website, my YouTube channel and links to stories in newspapers about me. So go dare yourself.

Yep, another liberal rag praiseing another liberal rag. is this more of Alinskys rules? Just keep repeating lies until you believe them yourself? The fool that screams racist is always right, but is always on the left? When will you fools in the liberal media just go kiss Obamas feet and because you’ve been kiss’n his @ss for 3 years now and all he has done is spent more the all the Presidents from Washington to Reagan. Wake up, please before it is to late. China now owns more of this country then we do. I’m sure they will be @ the UN waiting for that fool to bow to them. Please get this half wit out of here ASAP!

From truthout.com: “Sick Bastards” http://www.truth-out.org/sick-bastards63456

“This past weekend, an event called the Values Voters Summit was held in Washington DC. It’s a kind of big-tent showcase for the fundamentalist far-right base of the Republican Party, sponsored by such leading conservative lights as the Family Research Council, the Heritage Foundation, and Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University. Some of the featured speakers included Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Insane), Gary Bauer, Bill Bennett, the wildly fertile Duggar family, Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity, anti-masturbation candidate and occasional dabbler in witchcraft Christine O’Donnell, Phyllis Schlafly, Mitt Romney, and of course, Sarah Palin…. You can imagine the sort of deranged gibberish that was coming from the podium over the weekend, and frankly, most of it is too mind-numbing to repeat in any detail…. One becomes accustomed to cruel, insensitive, hate-filled rhetoric from the kind of people who dwell in this particular region of politics….”

Note: Bachmann (R-Insane). That’s the designation someone deserves when that person deviates from reality as often as the record setting Bachmann does. Unfortunately, the far right in only getting started in this direction.

I usually have more time to write my screed against the general insanity now hovering over most political discourse, but this time I’ll just keep it simple. Do you wingnuts really think that a Tea Party takeover would benefit the vast majority of people in our country.? A number of you reactionaries seem quite intelligent, but you don’t seem to get the ‘big picture’ nor to you seem especially enlightened. Please let me know what Palin, Gingrich, Bachmann, Limbaugh, Huckabee, Murdoch, the Koch Brothers, etc, and the majority of rightwingers can do to help us out of the mess which they had a lot to do in creating in the first place. You don’t get it at all that slowly but surely, in the face of total oppostion from the right, Obama & a small handful of Democrats are taking us in the right direction. Demographics and common sense are working against you. The November elections will bear me out. It isn’t going to be a bloodbath for the Democrats.

Keeva, I just went to your website and it tells me NOTHING about you. It just indicates you are a P.R. guy. NOTHING about you. Still don’t know if you are male or female. Don’t have any idea if you have ever done anything other than post a website.

zumpano said:
Is it because FACTS HAVE A LIBERAL BIAS? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

No, it’s because LIES have a Conservative bias.

gordonbloyershow said:
Keeva, I just went to your website and it tells me NOTHING about you. It just indicates you are a P.R. guy. NOTHING about you. Still don’t know if you are male or female. Don’t have any idea if you have ever done anything other than post a website.

WHY does anyone need to impress you, dipstick?

mibwilso said:
It doesn’t matter what Politifact or any other groups says about her. Challenging conservatives with facts rarely accomplishes anything. It only makes them dig in harder.

Well, most of them ARE yellow, egg sucking dogs.

notsofast said:
She is a reasonable voice in an unreasonable world.

What color is the sky in that world?

gordonbloyershow says: “There are fools here and they hide behind phony names.”

That’s true on both ends of the spectrum, Gordon. One would have to do lengthy analysis to determine if liberals, radicals, conservatives or reactionaries are greater “fools,” and foolishness is in the eye of the beholder. What’s not in up for debate are the facts. I’m writing a post right now that demonstrates that MSM is indeed biased in a liberal manner, but Fox’s bias is not even in question. That conservative outlet makes FAR MORE false claims than MSM about pols, administrations and events.

Stephen Colbert was correct: facts have a well-known liberal bias. What we get from Fox and especially Glenn Beck is “truthiness,” a simulacrum of facts presented as reality. President Carter has called them – and especially Beck – out for their lies. The information struggle is in full throated conflict, and the consequence is vast mistrust. This lack of trust that is created by the bifurcation of reality that Fox (primarily) creates threatens to tear this country apart.

I’ll comment again when the post is completed. Because “phony names” is an issue here, let me sign this:
Victor Tiffany,
Social scientist, media critic, journalist, columnist, blogger, fan (of Mediaite)

Keeva, since you are a NRA member you might like this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgeogpfPcE

Poor Danny Isbell, since you are new here it is clear you don’t have any idea what you are talking about. Nobody was talking to you. Didn’t your mother tell not to speak unles you are spoken too?

GBR, and just what NEWS show does Beck have on Fox News? Do you think people are so dumb that they don’t know that Beck is an opinion show and that it is HIS opinion. So Fox News bias IS in question.

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor alamo, I have said on previous post that I don’t care what name people use if they just comment. It ONLY matters when people attack others and use that name to hide

and agree with you

Politofact Analysis

“There will be no public funding for abortion in this legislation.” Barack Obama Politofact: True

All credibility lost as Abortions will be offered with public funds in health plans.

Move on to next subject.

musiccityvic said:
Politofact Analysis

“There will be no public funding for abortion in this legislation.” Barack Obama Politofact: True

All credibility lost as Abortions will be offered with public funds in health plans.

Move on to next subject.

where did you find this fact?
I would like to read

gordonbloyershow said:
Keeva, since you are a NRA member you might like this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgeogpfPcE

Poor Danny Isbell, since you are new here it is clear you don’t have any idea what you are talking about. Nobody was talking to you. Didn’t your mother tell not to speak unles you are spoken too?

Basil – Did you flunk out of basic English? Yet another reason you should be deported.

Gordon loves telling anyone who’ll listen that he uses his real name on the internet.
He feels he’s superior to everyone because of this.
It makes his opinions more learned, his views more intellectually cogent.
Not sure how he feels about those with whom he agrees, but who don’t use their real names. He may feel some affection for them, like an owner to his dog.

However, let’s just admit uses his real name because he dearly hopes his comments will be read by some radio or TV executive who’ll give him his own show. He’s bitter that Rush Limbaugh stole his career and he really, really, really wants his own show. Using his real name makes him easier to find.

Poor redleaf, it would be nice if you knew what you were talking about. I had my own radio show in San Francisco. I had my own television show for over ten years. I am older than Rush and I was saying the same things he says today before he did. He was in Sacramento when I was in San Francisco. I sat with him at lunch when we were raising funds for the Contras in Nicaragua.

I’ve always enjoyed the “poor _____”, which is your standard condescending greeting.
Because you are, after all, better than everyone else.

As for this post, you’re giving me your resume (all past tense, may I add), but you’re not addressing the accusation. You use your real name because you want to make yourself easier to find for bookers and agents who could put you on their program or give you a show. Claiming “I was saying the same things (Rush) says today before he did” only proves the height of your unique combination of bitterness and arrogance.

He went on to become one of the most influential radio personalities in America.

You, my condescending friend, are stuck posting on message boards and hoping the phone rings.

let’s see:
she’s republican, a woman, “pretty” and from the midwest.

thus, to say anything against her is to commit blasphemy. no truthiness allowed about the pretty tea party girls named sarah, michele, and christine. (“pretty” knocks out those named sharon)

doesn’t matter that she votes against assistance to others (foreclosure relief, her district worst in MN) while taking farm subsidies for 11+ years. (1995-2006, family farm) doesn’t matter that she calls a program her own son enrolled in a “re-education camp”. doesn’t matter that anytime that woman quotes a number it’s waaaaaay off.

because, in the end, you like the crazy and loathe the truth. it’s easier to say that politifact is a big meanie instead of understanding the amount of hyperinflation bachmann gives to, like, anything and everything.

Poor IGNORANT redleaf, since when do resumes include the future? I am better than YOU. It is obvious. What resume are you talking about? I am not “stuck” doing anything. I still do investigative work. I still do political consulting. I do what I want when I want.
What do you do? Of course I can’t believe anything you claim you do since you hide behind a phony name. I have been doing what I do for a long time and I don’t put up with big mouth nuts that hide behind phony names and claim they know more than me. Why don’t you PROVE it?

Ted- said:
Basil – Did you flunk out of basic English? Yet another reason you should be deported.

You know Ted, if you are going to pretend to be the grammar police you had better be perfect yourself.

Here is a list of some of Ted’s recent post and he has the nerve to correct others. LOL.

You fu-kers are the reason the US has a lower literacy rate than say, Cuba. If fu-kers like you, murf and nutsomullet left the country it would help. Why do you fu-kers hate America?

Any more cliches there Einstein, I mean you dumb fu-ker?

Yes, dip-shit, you’ve completely dismantled my derogatory slur. Listen Sparky, I’m quite sure you and murf eat road kill; I’m right aren’t I? Dumb fu-kers.

Well, clearly I’ve caught my limit of you fu-king tea-baggers this evening. Writer, you don’t measure up so I’m letting you go; frankly, you don’t count and your comments are even more puerile than murfs…and that’s something . As for the rest of you dumb fu-kers, it’s been fun, and I thank you for some cheap entertainment.

Improper use of a semi-colon alert!

no-touchy-touchy said:
where did you find this fact?I would like to read

News-Medical.net has it but so do many other sites. I know it is in effect in at least one other state.

The Obama Administration has approved our plan to provide health insurance to thousands of Pennsylvanians who have been unable to obtain affordable coverage because of pre-existing conditions,” [state Insurance Commissioner Joel] Ario said….

,p>The state will receive $160 million to set up the program, which will provide coverage to as many as 5,600 people between now and 2014. The approved proposal can be accessed by visiting http://www.insurance.pa.gov and choosing the “Health Care Reform & You” link.

Yesterday we learned the the federal healthcare funding in PA will cover abortions. According to National Right to Life:

The Obama Administration will give PA $160 million to set up a new “high-risk” insurance program under a provision of the federal health care legislation enacted in March – and has quietly approved a plan submitted by an appointee of Governor Edward Rendell (D) under which the new program will cover any abortion that is legal in PA.
The plan states it will not cover “elective abortions”…

… and what abortions fit the requirements? According to 18 Pa. C.S. § 3204:

In determining in accordance with subsection (a) or (b) whether an abortion is necessary, a physician’s best clinical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors (physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman’s age) relevant to the well-being of the woman. No abortion which is sought solely because of the sex of the unborn child shall be deemed a necessary abortion.
In other words, abortion on demand. So less than 4 months after Obamacare’s passage, and with Obama his executive order supposedly banning public funding of abortions, we get confirmation it was a fraud. NRLC added:

As USA Today reported on March 25, “Both sides in the abortion debate came to a rare agreement on Wednesday: The executive order on abortion signed by President Obama, they said, was basically meaningless. ‘A transparent political fig leaf,’ according to the NRLC’s Douglas Johnson. ‘A symbolic gesture,’ said Planned Parenthood President Cecile

Politifact is a joke. Not that Bachmann isn’t full of shit most of the time, but let’s be honest. Politifact reflects the liberal selection biases of its “journalists.”

gordonbloyershow says: “Do you think people are so dumb that they don’t know that Beck is an opinion show and that it is HIS opinion”

Are YOU so dumb as to not know the difference between his assertions as truth, not opinion, and his opinion which he offers as models of what’s real. Seriously, I can only conclude that you don’t watch his show or you’re incredibly dense. I have a new post up that is pertinent. You especially should read this because it explains exactly WHY you’re dense the way you are. It addresses bias and truth, or in your case, truthiness.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/09/bias-vs-truthiness-analyzing-media.html

musiccityvic said:
News-Medical.net has it but so do many other sites. I know it is in effect in at least one other state.

The Obama Administration has approved our plan to provide health insurance to thousands of Pennsylvanians who have been unable to obtain affordable coverage because of pre-existing conditions,” [state Insurance Commissioner Joel] Ario said….

,p>The state will receive $160 million to set up the program, which will provide coverage to as many as 5,600 people between now and 2014. The approved proposal can be accessed by visiting http://www.insurance.pa.gov and choosing the “Health Care Reform & You” link.

Yesterday we learned the the federal healthcare funding in PA will cover abortions. According to National Right to Life:

The Obama Administration will give PA $160 million to set up a new “high-risk” insurance program under a provision of the federal health care legislation enacted in March – and has quietly approved a plan submitted by an appointee of Governor Edward Rendell (D) under which the new program will cover any abortion that is legal in PA.
The plan states it will not cover “elective abortions”…

… and what abortions fit the requirements? According to 18 Pa. C.S. § 3204:

In determining in accordance with subsection (a) or (b) whether an abortion is necessary, a physician’s best clinical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors (physical, emotional, psychological, familial and the woman’s age) relevant to the well-being of the woman. No abortion which is sought solely because of the sex of the unborn child shall be deemed a necessary abortion.
In other words, abortion on demand. So less than 4 months after Obamacare’s passage, and with Obama his executive order supposedly banning public funding of abortions, we get confirmation it was a fraud. NRLC added:

As USA Today reported on March 25, “Both sides in the abortion debate came to a rare agreement on Wednesday: The executive order on abortion signed by President Obama, they said, was basically meaningless. ‘A transparent political fig leaf,’ according to the NRLC’s Douglas Johnson. ‘A symbolic gesture,’ said Planned Parenthood President Cecile

thanks

GlennBeckReview said:
gordonbloyershow says: “Do you think people are so dumb that they don’t know that Beck is an opinion show and that it is HIS opinion” Are YOU so dumb as to not know the difference between his assertions as truth, not opinion, and his opinion which he offers as models of what’s real. Seriously, I can only conclude that you don’t watch his show or you’re incredibly dense. I have a new post up that is pertinent. You especially should read this because it explains exactly WHY you’re dense the way you are. It addresses bias and truth, or in your case, truthiness. http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/09/bias-vs-truthiness-analyzing-media.html

Your going to use a George Soros owned Progressive propaganda site like Media Matters to prove your point? Why don’t you just quote Gibbs or Howard Dean. We get that Beck is the enemy of the Left. We get that your frustrated because your standard playbook of boycotts and slander isn’t working. We get that you don’t understand the beating that is coming in November. Just relax. It doesn’t matter. Obama and the Progressives are on the wrong side of every issue, every program, and there isn’t anything scheme you or any Dem Hack can dream up now.

This message brought to you by Goldline.

ganymede said:
I usually have more time to write my screed against the general insanity now hovering over most political discourse, but this time I’ll just keep it simple. Do you wingnuts really think that a Tea Party takeover would benefit the vast majority of people in our country.? A number of you reactionaries seem quite intelligent, but you don’t seem to get the ‘big picture’ nor to you seem especially enlightened. Please let me know what Palin, Gingrich, Bachmann, Limbaugh, Huckabee, Murdoch, the Koch Brothers, etc, and the majority of rightwingers can do to help us out of the mess which they had a lot to do in creating in the first place. You don’t get it at all that slowly but surely, in the face of total oppostion from the right, Obama & a small handful of Democrats are taking us in the right direction. Demographics and common sense are working against you. The November elections will bear me out. It isn’t going to be a bloodbath for the Democrats.

If the right direction is 20% unemployment, endless welfare and food stamp programs and anti business policies than your right we are heading in the right direction. After November we’ll start the ship back in the right direction.

GlennBeckReview said:
Are YOU so dumb as to not know the difference between his assertions as truth, not opinion, and his opinion which he offers as models of what’s real. Seriously, I can only conclude that you don’t watch his show or you’re incredibly dense. I have a new post up that is pertinent. You especially should read this because it explains exactly WHY you’re dense the way you are. It addresses bias and truth, or in your case, truthiness.

I understand that you are being stupid on purpose but it won’t work. You keep attacking Fox News for telling lies. Beck’s show is not part of Fox News. Clowns like you have tried and tried to claim Fox is telling lies and it is not working. People tune in and watch for themselves and if there were lies they would not watch.

musiccityvic, The Pennsylvania plan is discussed here:
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/16/national-right-life-committee/abortions-pennsylvania-paid-federal-dollars-not-so/

and reported by NPR here:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/07/14/128516960/abortion-battle-in-health-law-heats-up-in-pennsylvania

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor IGNORANT redleaf, since when do resumes include the future? I am better than YOU. It is obvious. What resume are you talking about? I am not “stuck” doing anything. I still do investigative work. I still do political consulting. I do what I want when I want.
What do you do? Of course I can’t believe anything you claim you do since you hide behind a phony name. I have been doing what I do for a long time and I don’t put up with big mouth nuts that hide behind phony names and claim they know more than me. Why don’t you PROVE it?

Honestly, you are one Hall of Fame blowhard.
See, resumes don’t include the future. However, they do include the present. And you’ve vaguely augmented your current position as bitter and arrogant message board contributor with “investigative work” and “political consulting.” Not sure what that means, but I’m sure you’ll find a way to puff that up to truth-stretching extremes so you can continue to pretend you’re better than all of us lowlifes.

And for crying out Jesus, enough with the “phony name” defense. I mean, seriously, is that your A-material? Are you yelling for Conservatives on Mediaite to reveal their names? Do you go around the internet demanding everyone reveal their names? That argument just isn’t working, man. Seriously, congratulations for using your real name and drinking in the superiority you’ve subsequently bestowed upon yourself. But enough.

The fun part of all this is watching you tap dance around the obvious fact that you’re not as famous or successful as the Conservatives you hold in such high regard. I’m sorry if whatever fleeting moments of success you feel you achieved didn’t flower into a Rush-sized media career. Fox News isn’t calling for you to host a show. Syndicated radio isn’t calling for you to host a show. You’ll just have to grab whatever satisfaction you can from “investigative work” and “political consulting” while exercising your arrogance and Kool-Aid quaffing abilities on lowly message boards.

jk76 said:
it wasn’t racist, look up the word. pointing out something isn’t racism. you can disagree with him if you like. I would say he exaggerated to make a point, but there’s some truth to it.

Pointing out a black person did something when you have some evidence might just be an opinion. Claiming a black person did something based on race with no evidence at all is sure in the racist ball park.
It’s pretty much the same thing the Tea Party complains about when they get called racist for criticizing Obama.
Then when you make the leap to include all blacks is going even further. You might as well say all blacks are good dancers or lazy.
I don’t think it was hateful racism, but it was exaggeration of a racist nature.

gordonbloyershow said:
There is no such thing as being called “out” by nameless faceless clowns that comment here. People with phony names can’t “call people out”. You don’t get it do you?
Anyone can call any statement racist. You have to have some standing to do so. Phony names have NO standing.
Just because phony people say a statement is racist that doesn’t mean it is true. You clowns bandie that about all the time and have rendered it useless.

Whether it’s racist or not depends on the statement itself, and the context. In this case you made an ignorant racist remark and now , rather than just admit it and perhaps make amends by clarifying you try to avoid it with some ” nameless faceless” hogwash. It won’t help you. Your words are posted there for everyone to read.

Poor cosmo, LOL. Yes my words are there to see and read. I stand by them. Nobody cares what lib liars say even when they are nameless and faceless.

Poor dumb ignorant redleaf, now I am supposed to live up to YOUR idea of success? LOL. If you haven’t figured it out yet, I don’t care what you think.
YOU don’t get to decide what I do or why. You don’t have a name, that is sure indicator of someone that is a failure.

musiccityvic says: “We get that your frustrated because your standard playbook of boycotts and slander isn’t working.”

What slander? Show where I slander Glenn Beck once on The Glenn Beck Review. You can’t of course; you’re defending America’s deceiver in chief.

Oh, and the boycott is working. Number of advertisers in England on Glenn Beck show = 0.
Advertising income for Glenn Beck show in U.S. down by more than 50%

This is an information struggle between truth and truthiness. YOu can defend truthiness until you go to hell, which if there is a judging God, you will, but that still makes you a liar, especially when you accuse The Glenn Beck Review of slander.

Again, where do I have my facts wrong about Mr. Beck?

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com

gordonbloyershow says: “You keep attacking Fox News for telling lies. Beck’s show is not part of Fox News.”

Fox does tell lies. I see reports on this every day. How is the time slot between 5 and 6 p.m. on Fox News NOT part of Fox News?

Jesus, Gordon, you’re posting comments that make you seem truly of some other universe. Well, that’s what is happening from Fox, isn’t it? You can’t stand that good honest people are calling out Fox and Beck as liars, can you?

The number one factor [of misinformation about Obama] is Fox News, just totally distorting everything possible concerning the facts. I think their constant hammering away at these false premises about our incumbent president has a major impact on the consciousness of America. A lot of well-meaning people, including many of those in the Tea Party movement, believe what is said in this constant hammering away by Glenn Beck….” former President Carter.

Now you’re going to tell readers here that President Carter is just a liar, Gordon? Forget that Carter wasn’t a great President; that is irrelevant to his point. One thing you CAN NOT comment is that Carter is a liar. His honesty is unassailable (by – you know – sane individuals.)

gordonbloyershow says: “Poor dumb ignorant redleaf, [bla bla, bla....]”

Gordon, I just went to YOUR website and read about you. What I didn’t find was your education. Where did you go to college, Gordon, you not read smart and not particularly well informed propagandist?

You claim that you don’t deceive us about yourself. Good. Where did you go to college?

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor alamo, I have said on previous post that I don’t care what name people use if they just comment. It ONLY matters when people attack others and use that name to hide, like almost all the lefties here. When someone claims that they are a scientist, soldier, doctor or any kind of expert of any kind a phony name won’t cut it. People hiding behind those names can say they are anything, who knows? Why would anyone believe them.

In this case they can believe because they can read the words you typed themselves. It’s not about anyone making a claim about themselves but about the nature of what you typed.

I stand behind everything I say.

That’s very ethical. So when you said this

Blacks are going to support him no matter what

you stand behind it?
because just a day earlier you said

The woman also works for the government and is a veteran.

Obama’s answer seems to satisfy Colby but I don’t think it satisfied the lady.

So when she first criticized Obama her opinion was somewhat valid, but as soon as she clarifies and says she is still hopeful, it’s because she’s black and they all defend Obama. Shame on you.

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor cosmo, LOL. Yes my words are there to see and read. I stand by them. Nobody cares what lib liars say even when they are nameless and faceless.

I didn’t lie about anything. I commented on your words.

Not long ago you had the decency to admit a mistake. It’s unfortunate you can’t do that this time. Your “nameless faceless” dodge doesn’t help or change what you said.

snow said:
musiccityvic, The Pennsylvania plan is discussed here:http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/16/national-right-life-committee/abortions-pennsylvania-paid-federal-dollars-not-so/ and reported by NPR here:http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/07/14/128516960/abortion-battle-in-health-law-heats-up-in-pennsylvania

snow thanks for the links. it is up to interpretation. I have been in the health claim field for many years. I have seen loose and tight language in plans on abortions. the language in the PA plan is very loose and will lead to abortion on demand.

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor redleaf, it would be nice if you knew what you were talking about. I had my own radio show in San Francisco. I had my own television show for over ten years. I am older than Rush and I was saying the same things he says today before he did. He was in Sacramento when I was in San Francisco. I sat with him at lunch when we were raising funds for the Contras in Nicaragua.

so you helped fund a mercenary organization simply because they were anti-communist?

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor dumb ignorant redleaf, now I am supposed to live up to YOUR idea of success? LOL. If you haven’t figured it out yet, I don’t care what you think.
YOU don’t get to decide what I do or why. You don’t have a name, that is sure indicator of someone that is a failure.

I’m starting to think this is really all a prank and I’m on a reality show where a blowhard tries to rile me up. The problem is, taking down blowhards is so much fun, it’s like eating candy.

Speaking to your tiresome, repetitive, ineffective, but hilarious, go-to argument that anyone who doesn’t use their real name has no worthwhile opinion (except conservatives, of course): you realize that when people call in to radio shows they don’t use their full name and may not even use their real name. Why is “John from Omaha” any worse than redleaf?

Look, I understand you’ve got very few tricks in your rhetorical bag and we’ve pretty much seen them all. This might be the reason you never achieved the fame of Rush and Sean. At this point, mediaite has become your radio show. A chance to engage with liberals so you can call them ignorant and blather on about your own superiority. It’s sad that the only way you can convey your brilliant arguments to an unworthy world is to log onto a message board. If only you could be relevant on a larger scale…

If only…

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor cosmo, Nobody cares what lib liars say

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor dumb ignorant redleaf, I don’t care what you think.

redleaf said:
I’m starting to think this is really all a prank and I’m on a reality show where a blowhard tries to rile me up. The problem is, taking down blowhards is so much fun, it’s like eating candy.

funny

redleaf said:
If only you could be relevant on a larger scale…

have you seen him?

no-touchy-touchy says: “have you seen him?”

Next to whom?

GlennBeckReview said:
no-touchy-touchy says: “have you seen him?”

Next to whom?

: )

This woman is a clown and is living testimony to the ignorance and stupidity of the conservative party. They feed on fear and hate and if you can provide that to them they will swallow anything else along with it. Dont forget these are the same idiots that reelected Bush even after it was shown he invaded a country for false reasons. If they can over look that they will overlook anything and needless to say if its a black man in the White House then they really lose their minds in a fit of irrational stupidity.. all with god on their side, of course!

Gordonbloyer says, regarding Fox News…

“People tune in and watch for themselves and if there were lies they would not watch”.

Why would anyone want to discuss something with someone who posts such stupidity?