Hell No! Beck has said nothing but respectful and admirable things about Dr. King. There is no reason that anyone that admired Dr. King should have a problem with Beck at the Lincoln Memorial. I think MLK would be OK with it as well.

Why do people have rediculous comparisons? Somehow Glenn Beck is anti-whatever (MLKJr, Civil Rights, blacks)? Or is it more that he has a show on Fox News, is a conservative/libertarian, or Mormon? So the natural opposition of the usual suspects pops up becuase of spite.

9/11 was fanatics of radical Islam doing what they do. There are millions over the world who would be a part of that ideaology. Those who purport that supremecy. I say again, Islam is about 600 years behind Christianity, and we know where that was in the 15th century. There are many more millions who would not be a part of that ideaology, but some of those may be forced to participate. I do not believe that we have a large problem, but I’m not blind to the fact that we probably have some, and you only need a few.

Newt’s reference is slightly similar but greatly exaggerated. But I just hate comparisons that are just so stupidly unrelated that the common denominator is ‘sensitivity’ or ‘feelings’. The people who are the faces of media are so idiotic when they open their mouths that it’s embarassing.

deuces

Given that Beckerhead plagiarized his material and his act from Elizabeth Dilling, an avowed Nazi, it is in poor taste for him to show up at the Lincoln Memorial -let alone on the anniversary of King’s “I have a dream” speech. It’s a free country though, so Beckerhead can do as he likes.

How is Beck promoting the words and teachings of MLK somehow offensive to MLK?

So no one can ever have an event at the Lincoln Memorial on this day? What a joke. The country owns the Lincoln Memorial not MLK or anyone else that speaks there.

No one is stopping Muslims from building a mosque in NYC. There are 100 in NYC. The people are asking nicely to not put a mosque at that location. If you claim that your are reaching out to Americans then don’t put it there.

The Beck-haters will come out in full force
Spreading lies and insults so coarse
But Beck will present just the facts
The left will step up their attacks
Beating and beating that dead horse.

Take note RRK, that’s how it’s done.

Michelle Martin, the race-baiting NPR host, essentially calls Beck a racist because he didn’t know that MLK’s speech was on 8/28. What a jackass this race-baiter is. I would bet a significant amount of money that 6 months ago, she didn’t know the speech was given on 8/28. I would bet less than on half of one percent of this country knew what the date of the speech was. These left-wing radicals whose only talent is race-baiting are tiresome.

Alveda King is one of the speakers at the event, you idiots. Glenn has already said that when he speaks it will be from several steps below that of where Dr King spoke. Why? To honor and respect.

The point is not that the mosque can’t be built. It is that it shouldn’t be built. It’s an issue of who is behind it and why. Look up the history of the Cordoba mosque. Think the name is a coincidence with this Cordoba initiative? “We will use your freedoms against you”.

I definitely think we should keep talking about this issue. Right up to November. I want to know who is on which side.

There’s a couple major differences, the most obvious is that an overwhelming majority of Americans are offended by the idea of a ground zero mosque, while only professional offendees have a gripe with Beck’s rally. Additionally, there’s not a whole lot of stuff more racist than a group trying to thieve King’s memory, as though his message of civil rights applied only to blacks.

The question, however, does demonstrate the slippery slope a “sensitivity” argument can lead one down because, in the end, where do you draw the line? For what it’s worth, Beck has said the people behind the Cordoba initiative have the right to build Park51 but also questioned the wisdom of it.

First, you assess the value of the sensitivity. As for Beck and Dr. King, the best measure of that value is quite handy. Look at those who oppose Beck on King related grounds, and look at those who don’t. I’ll let y’all compile the against list, but in the “for” column is one Alveda King. She’s got as much or more authority to speak on the King legacy as anyone on the “against” side. And she will be speaking, beside Glenn Beck, at the Lincoln Memorial on 8/28. People who think that rally shouldn’t be happening, and that she shouldn’t be speaking to a really big crowd need to do some reassessment.

There are a lot of people feeling valid, genuine emotional pain over the GZM. They’re not playing a political game, they’re mourning their loved ones, many of whom have only Ground Zero for a grave. I don’t think Beck rally opponents can compare, whatever their motivations.

Another thing is that the Beck rally will be over and done by 3 PM on 8/28. Buildings aren’t so fleeting, usually.

and it’s not a point of can he give a speech but should he give a speech. it’s an issue of who is behind it. look at the history of beck.
Back when Mr. Beck was simply a coked-out zoo-style morning talk jock on a Kentucky station—rather than a national political philosopher—he regularly mimicked African-American speech patterns for fun. “He used to do a funny ‘black guy’ character, really over the top,” recalls one of his former colleagues, quoted by biographer Alexander Zaitchik in a fascinating Salon.com profile.
and
Mr. Beck also became a devotee of the Mormon crank author and conspiracy theorist W. Cleon Skousen, whose writings he enthusiastically promotes to this day. Among Skousen’s pet theories was that Southern slave owners were actually the victims of the plantation system, which according to him favored the lazy and pampered slaves, whose children he called “pickaninnies.” Like his ultra-right friends in the John Birch Society and kindred groups, Skousen was a dedicated foe of civil rights legislation.

so is racism something you can overcome? or does beck have a deep seated hated of black people?

forgot the link
http://www.observer.com/5415/racists-crying-racism

Thanks Pablo. I LOVE how I never hear from the left (hello Glynnie), that Alveda King SUPPORTS Glenn Becks rally. And I’m pretty sure he said she was even speaking at it.

lonestar77 said:
Michelle Martin, the race-baiting NPR host, essentially calls Beck a racist because he didn’t know that MLK’s speech was on 8/28. What a jackass this race-baiter is. I would bet a significant amount of money that 6 months ago, she didn’t know the speech was given on 8/28. I would bet less than on half of one percent of this country knew what the date of the speech was.

Absolutely right. I didn’t know, Beck didn’t know, they didn’t know, you didn’t know. It wasn’t until someone figured out that the date was the same that it became an issue. A really, really stupid issue.

Quick, what happened on November 19th? No Googling!

I guess since Salon is left leaning, it’s okay for them to say there’s such a thing as an ‘African-American speech pattern.’

ChiliPeppersFan said:
Back when Mr. Beck was simply a coked-out zoo-style morning talk jock, blah, blah, blah, drivel, more drivel, blah, blah…

So you must have a big problem with the admitted drug user in the oval office then?

Face it, you’re a kook.

Lincoln Gettysburg speech?

“The first air war was launched on Jan 15, Martin Luther Kings birthday, and that was very painful to a number of other people…” Michel Martin

LOL. I never saw or heard of this woman until today. Now that I have, I can safely dismiss her as another liberal asshole who I won’t listen to again.

Glenn Beck should be allowed to have his gathering at the Lincoln Memorial or wherever he wants, as long as he adheres to the laws of the land. And folks should not have a problem with the mosque being built in NYC near Ground Zero. Why? Because this is America, and we’re better than a bunch of murdering terrorists. Whether or not you agree with either of these two positions above is irrelevant. It’s their right.

StandUp said:
Lincoln Gettysburg speech?

Yep, you got it. How’d you know that? Good memory, or did you happen across that bit of trivia recently?

Pablo said:
Yep, you got it. How’d you know that? Good memory, or did you happen across that bit of trivia recently?

History trivia and music trivia are a hobby. more music

alamo2 said:
Glenn Beck should be allowed to have his gathering at the Lincoln Memorial or wherever he wants, as long as he adheres to the laws of the land. And folks should not have a problem with the mosque being built in NYC near Ground Zero.

Here’s the problem. When you hold “should be allowed to” up against “folks should not have a problem with” you’re conflating public opinion with government power and the force of law. They don’t belong together as they are two very different things. The Constitution governs one of them. Public whim governs the other.

StandUp said:
more music

Ah ha! No one…and I mean no one…will play music trivia with me. We should talk.

Pablo said:
Here’s the problem. When you hold “should be allowed to” up against “folks should not have a problem with” you’re conflating public opinion with government power and the force of law. They don’t belong together as they are two very different things. The Constitution governs one of them. Public whim governs the other.

Good point, “should be allowed” vs. “not have a problem with.” I should have not put that comparison. How about folks should not have a problem with either one, because this is America?

i have no problem with people who use drugs but don’t abuse them but when you are on drugs and you think it is funny to mock black people or you make fun of a competitor’s wife who just had a miscarriage like beck did then it shows what a truly evil person glen beck is and that is something all his mormon religion can not overcome.

alamo2 said:
Whether or not you agree with either of these two positions above is irrelevant. It’s their right.

Many on the left have tried to frame this (gzm) as conservatives trying to deny rights to a group of people. Most people see through this dishonesty, though, as no one can name names as to who exactly would deny the muslims their rights.

I don’t know if you are intentionally perpetuating this notion because you’re a liar, or if you’re simply repeating stuff that you’re not intelligent enough to figure out for yourself, but pretty much everyone can see right through it.

Stay STRONG, Beck!

We need you and FOX News more than ever!

alamo2 said:
How about folks should not have a problem with either one, because this is America?

Folks can have a problem with any damn thing they like because this is America. That’s their right. You have no right to be liked, you have no right to be respected, you have no right to be embraced and you have no right not to be offended. Everyone has a right to dislike you, to disrespect you, to reject you and to offend you. Me too. That’s America. Opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. Especially if they’re American.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
then it shows what a truly evil person glen beck is and that is something all his mormon religion can not overcome.

It’s a good thing that Glenn Beck isn’t looking to ChiliPeppersFan for redemption, isn’t it?

lanquihue said:
Many on the left have tried to frame this (gzm) as conservatives trying to deny rights to a group of people. Most people see through this dishonesty, though, as no one can name names as to who exactly would deny the muslims their rights. I don’t know if you are intentionally perpetuating this notion because you’re a liar, or if you’re simply repeating stuff that you’re not intelligent enough to figure out for yourself, but pretty much everyone can see right through it.

So, let’s see. I type my own thoughts, and place them on this site. And because you don’t agree with my thoughts, you basically call me either a liar or not smart. That is really not a way to put forth your beliefs. Actually it was very rude.

Pablo said:
Folks can have a problem with any damn thing they like because this is America. That’s their right. You have no right to be liked, you have no right to be respected, you have no right to be embraced and you have no right not to be offended. Everyone has a right to dislike you, to disrespect you, to reject you and to offend you. Me too. That’s America. Opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. Especially if they’re American.

I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone. All I am saying that I don’t think folks should have a problem with it. Whether or not they do, that’s their opinions, and they are welcome to them.

alamo2 said:
So, let’s see. I type my own thoughts, and place them on this site. And because you don’t agree with my thoughts, you basically call me either a liar or not smart. That is really not a way to put forth your beliefs. Actually it was very rude.

Actually, I stopped worrying about being rude back in the Usenet days, when we “gopher’d” information and it was a given that your internet provider provided a telnet shell. In any case, I stand by my comment. Bringing up the muslim’s “right” to build their mosque is simply dishonest.

ChiliPeppersFan says:
August 22, 2010 at 4:10 pm (Quote)
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“so is racism something you can overcome? or does beck have a deep seated hated of black people?”

So, is being really effing ignorant something YOU can overcome? Or, is it just something you’re determined to live with?

Just for the record, just about anytime someone calls someone else a racist, they are either a racist them self or they are just too damn ignorant to debate using these tricky little things known as “facts”.

Back to the Original Subject: Is Glenn being Insensitive?

NOT AT ALL! I believe they were planning this event, probably last winter, and someone said “We want it on a Saturday!” and someone else said “The best day would be the Saturday before Labor Day weekend!”
So they checked the powers who control this stuff and found that the Saturday before Labor Day weekend was available. Then they began filling out gazzilions of papers…etc.

The only inappropriate day would have been our official MLK national holiday!

Unlike the mosque issue, this isn’t worth more than 60 seconds of discussion. That’s why I’m starting to refer to HOWARD Kurtz as LITTLE HOWIE Kurtz.

lanquihue said:
Actually, I stopped worrying about being rude back in the Usenet days, when we “gopher’d” information and it was a given that your internet provider provided a telnet shell. In any case, I stand by my comment. Bringing up the muslim’s “right” to build their mosque is simply dishonest.

No it is not dishonest. They have the right to build the mosque there as long as they abide by laws of that area. As far as I know (and I do not live in NY — used to, but not now), no one is trying to forcibly stop those who want a mosque. There are lots of folks who are very vocal in their displeasure with the plan. And I don’t have a problem with their right to voice their opposition. I personally don’t have a problem with it, don’t think others should. But they do, and that’s their right. It’s one of the rights I fought for in Vietnam.

That is a major problem with the Internet. Because of anonymity, lots of people, left right and in between, are extremely nasty and rude. I have found myself falling into that trap, and I regret it afterward.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
so is racism something you can overcome?

Most Democrats seem to have believed that Sen. Robert Byrd , saying essentially ” My bad “, exonerated him of all the years and hard hard work that he had done on behalf of the KKK.

alamo2 said:
As far as I know (and I do not live in NY — used to, but not now), no one is trying to forcibly stop those who want a mosque.

Then what was the point in bringing up the “rights” issue? You’re simply repeating stuff that you’ve heard that has zero to do with anything. By your own admission, you know of no one who is advocating denying the muslims their rights.

BowenIsland said:
Most Democrats seem to have believed that Sen. Robert Byrd , saying essentially ” My bad “, exonerated him of all the years and hard hard work that he had done on behalf of the KKK.

There is a difference between immoral or bad behavior years hence, and bad behavior in the present. For example, George Wallace overcame his segregationist beliefs, and even apologized to Arican Americans. There have been KKK members who quit and became different folks later on. As for Senator Byrd, he had to live with his past (as we all do). Saying “my bad” belittles the debate. I see your point of course, but again, I do believe that one can have a change of heart.

lanquihue said:
Then what was the point in bringing up the “rights” issue? You’re simply repeating stuff that you’ve heard that has zero to do with anything. By your own admission, you know of no one who is advocating denying the muslims their rights.

The point is: I believe (It is America and I am entitled to my beliefs as your are yours) that this issue has been blown entirely out of proportion. Not long ago, Fox News endorsed the mosque. Not it is a political can of worms, and it takes away from more important issues. As an American, I believe that all of us are entitled to their beliefs.

And as for “simply repeating stuff,” read enough of the comments on this website, and you will see a lot of repetition, both from the right, left, and middle. I don’t find it a big deal, unless it is used to belittle others, and does not add to the discussion.

No Beck should not move his rally because of sensitivies. If he feels its appropriate than he should have it there.

alamo2 said:
The point is: blah, blah, blah..

You didn’t answer the question.

lanquihue said:
You didn’t answer the question.

Yes, I did. Let’s just forget about it, OK?

alamo2 said:
Yes, I did. Let’s just forget about it, OK?

Good enough. We obviously disagree on some things, but you’re a straight up guy. And thank you for your service in Vietnam.

lanquihue said:
Good enough. We obviously disagree on some things, but you’re a straight up guy. And thank you for your service in Vietnam.

You are very welcome, and I appreciate the straight up conversation. Good luck to you.

Michelle Martin is the same nut who in the same interview compared the ground zero mosque thing to Timothy McVeigh and the catholic church. She asked: “Did anybody move a catholic church after Timothy McVeigh…”. What a dumbass. I’m not sure which is dumber, her question or Russell Simmons asking “did we blame Christians for the first world trade attack…”. I love watching these race-baiting lefties. Apparently their course load at BMU (Blame Whitey University), was very limited & not very diverse.

Oh, and no, Russell, I don’t think we did blame Christians for the 1st attacks on the World Trade Center. But, I could be wrong.

thumbs up on your service alamo

alamo2 said:
There is a difference between immoral or bad behavior years hence, and bad behavior in the present.

I would disagree with you on that point . Bad or immoral behavior is bad and immoral behavior regardless of when it takes place. In the specific example regarding the charge of racism , I believe that the word is simply becoming overused to the point that it is losing both its meaning and its impact. It is sprinkeled throughout political discourse now like confetti at a party . Case in point ChiliPeppersFan s baseless accusation “so is racism something you can overcome? or does beck have a deep seated hated of black people? ” It is simply flung out there without regard or care.
Whether or not Byrd and Wallace had changes of heart who can say . I have little doubt that some people from that era did. When a politician’s excuse is that it was politically epediant or advantageous to adopt those
beliefs I’m a little leary when they ” have a change of heart ” at or near the same time the polls do.

maybe she should have asked should a catholic church be erected anywhere near a childrens playground…sounds like a fair analogy to me

i don’t think it is baseless to point out that beck has pushed the writings of cleon skousen in the past and that skousen paints a favorable picture of racism in his books and that beck has said some pretty ugly things when he was a drugged up disc jockey

it is ridiculous to say he has a deep seated hatred of black people kinda like becks equally stupid remark about the president

Pablo said:
Ah ha! No one…and I mean no one…will play music trivia with me. We should talk.

It got to where nobody will play with me either…not bragging, just love music

Chilipeppersfan, stop digging. You’re posts are ignorant.

your

Here is a Glenn quote: “In the Constitution, African Americans were deemed three-fifths people, because the founders wanted to end slavery and they knew if the South could count slaves as full individuals, you would never get the control to be able to abolish it.”

MLK owns neither 8/28, nor the Lincoln memorial. And Beck didn’t kill 3000 people there either!

valkyrie101 said:
Here is a Glenn quote: “In the Constitution, African Americans were deemed three-fifths people, because the founders wanted to end slavery and they knew if the South could count slaves as full individuals, you would never get the control to be able to abolish it.”

Context, Valk, you’re being an asshole, and you know it.

lanquihue said:
Context, Valk, you’re being an asshole, and you know it.

Of course Glenn has the right to conduct his rally, but is it appropriate.

valkyrie101 said:
Of course Glenn has the right to conduct his rally, but is it appropriate.

Tell me why it’s inappropriate.

lanquihue said:
Tell me why it’s inappropriate.

Isn’t Glenn just dancing on MLK Jr.’s grave? Ridiculing blacks for having compromised the civil rights movement? That seems pretty insensitive to the feelings of African Americans.

valkyrie101 said:
Isn’t Glenn just dancing on MLK Jr.’s grave? Ridiculing blacks for having compromised the civil rights movement? That seems pretty insensitive to the feelings of African Americans.

You should watch his show sometime. You are being an ignoramus.

timzank said:
You should watch his show sometime. You are being an ignoramus.

I do, every once in a while. He is very entertaining, but you know, he ran out of material a long time ago and now he is resorting to disk jockey gag.

valkyrie101 said:
Here is a Glenn quote: “In the Constitution, African Americans were deemed three-fifths people, because the founders wanted to end slavery and they knew if the South could count slaves as full individuals, you would never get the control to be able to abolish it.”

Yes, that’s right. Do you know why that is?

Isn’t Glenn just dancing on MLK Jr.’s grave?

With his niece? No.

Ridiculing blacks for having compromised the civil rights movement?

Now you’re being ridiculous.

valkyrie101 said:
He is very entertaining, but you know, he ran out of material a long time ago and now he is resorting to disk jockey gag.

Really? He’s doing a lot of history these days. I didn’t know history was a common DJ gag.

valkyrie101 said:
Here is a Glenn quote: “In the Constitution, African Americans were deemed three-fifths people, because the founders wanted to end slavery and they knew if the South could count slaves as full individuals, you would never get the control to be able to abolish it.”

You have to know the entire history of the 3/5 compromise. The founders wrote that in to prevent the southern states from having an unfair voting advantage by counting slaves as citizens for representation in Congress while not granting them the right to vote. The founders initially lobbied to allow slaves to vote, and the southern states balked. In the constitutional congress the founders were already trying to address the end of slavery but they would lose the south from the union without the compromise. Some founders even stated that it was morally wrong to give southern states the power to acquire more slaves from other countries to bolster their voting power without giving slaves a vote.

The compromise was not an effort to consider blacks less than a full human, it was to limit plantation states’ power for not giving the slaves a voice in government.

Glenn is one cool dude, so I should not be questioning his methods. I am counting on him to have a peaceful rally, with good things to say about MLK Jr., some nice words by the featured black speaker, and Glenn with his dream, etc. As long as his dream does not include the anticipated collapse of the US, per his Mormon end of days bent. Glenn gets people thinking who have not thought in years. He’s gifted. And he is a good man, I am convinced. I do not fear him. When push comes to shove, and it has with this rally, Glenn will advocate peace, which is what Mormons usually do, he will disavow violence, and he will testify to King. I am satisfied with that. That would be a job well done.

MartiniShark said:
You have to know the entire history of the 3/5 compromise. The founders wrote that in to prevent the southern states from having an unfair voting advantage by counting slaves as citizens for representation in Congress while not granting them the right to vote. The founders initially lobbied to allow slaves to vote, and the southern states balked. In the constitutional congress the founders were already trying to address the end of slavery but they would lose the south from the union without the compromise. Some founders even stated that it was morally wrong to give southern states the power to acquire more slaves from other countries to bolster their voting power without giving slaves a vote. The compromise was not an effort to consider blacks less than a full human, it was to limit plantation states’ power for not giving the slaves a voice in government.

Yes, the position on slavery was a compromise. The two houses of congress, with one determined by relative population, the house, and the other by equal representation by state, the Senate, were also a compromise intended to appease the south, who were completely dependent, economically, on slaves, and did not have large populations like the northern states. In that way the south leveraged greater voting power than is justified by its relative population. Same with the three fifths rule, intended to appease the south, a compromise, not a shining ideal. Perhaps I can see that, yes, it would be a stepping stone to eventual freedom, from the standpoint of those who sought that, which, of course, the south did not. From their standpoint, it was one more layer of road block to being stripped of their economic fortune.

I was just showing the context Glenn was coming from by that quote. Many of the founders fighting against slavery is often a lost component to the history of the constitution.

StandUp said:
StandUp says:
August 22, 2010 at 4:24 pm StandUp(Quote)
10 2
Lincoln Gettysburg speech?

All I did here was guess correctly at a trivia question posed by Pablo and I get 2 thumbs down.

Either I pissed off somebody in an earlier post or they are accusing me of cheating by looking it up.
If it’s the former, I couldn’t care less about partisan hacks, if it’s the latter then I can only say-

Those who think the world is full of cheaters are cheaters themselves.

Speak up thumbdowners and explain yourself!!

MartiniShark said:
I was just showing the context Glenn was coming from by that quote. Many of the founders fighting against slavery is often a lost component to the history of the constitution.

We certainly agree. And there would not have been a union to begin with without the great compromises.

valkyrie101 said:
We certainly agree. And there would not have been a union to begin with without the great compromises.

Yes, it was ugly, but needed at the time.

The Mosque will be built either at the site 2 blocks from ground zero or moved up the street to pacify the people that don’t realize it is not a shrine to Osama Bin Laden or the 9-11 attackers.It is a religious place that has 1.2 billion people that practice it around the world.Beck is holding a giant jerk off waste of time that nobody will give a shit about after 1 week.And both are protected by the Constitution.

valkyrie101 said:
per his Mormon end of days bent.

valkyrie101 said:
which is what Mormons usually do

So we’ve come to the real reason you hate Beck. Nice.

I am troubled by having an intolerant and ignorant snake oil salesman engage in shameless self-promotion at the Lincoln Memorial, and I find Beckerhead’s presence to be disrespectful to President Lincoln and to the Rev. Dr. King. Nonetheless, if he has the proper permits, so be it. Intolerance and ingorance are not vanquished by more intolerance and ignorance.

VARIETY AND CHOICE ABOUND:
HATE AND LIES, OR LIES AND HATE.
THOUGH FACTS AND NEWS CAN’T BE FOUND
SAVE FACTS AND NEWS WE CREATE.

valkyrie101 said:
Here is a Glenn quote: “In the Constitution, African Americans were deemed three-fifths people, because the founders wanted to end slavery and they knew if the South could count slaves as full individuals, you would never get the control to be able to abolish it.”

Is it even possible to say anything more utterly ridiculous?

VARIETY AND CHOICE ABOUND:
HATE AND LIES, OR LIES AND HATE.
THOUGH FACTS AND NEWS CAN’T BE FOUND
SAVE FACTS AND NEWS WE CREATE.

lanquihue said:
So we’ve come to the real reason you hate Beck. Nice.

That’s not what Val is saying, and it is intellectually dishonest for you to suggest it is. The Rev. Dr. King was a man of deep Christian faith and spirituality. He embraced the teachings of many legitimate faiths, but I am sure he was as troubled by cults masquerading as Chistian religion as most mainstream Christians are.

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HATE AND LIES, OR LIES AND HATE.
THOUGH FACTS AND NEWS CAN’T BE FOUND
SAVE FACTS AND NEWS WE CREATE.

The Real Royal King said:
Is it even possible to say anything more utterly ridiculous?

You do it every time you post.

Even Marceaux, I mean Blower, doesn’t post anything as ridiculous as Beckerhead’s quote.

VARIETY AND CHOICE ABOUND:
HATE AND LIES, OR LIES AND HATE.
THOUGH FACTS AND NEWS CAN’T BE FOUND
SAVE FACTS AND NEWS WE CREATE.

The Real Royal King said: I’m a stupid asshole.

Usually, I just ignore you because you’re really stupid, but… you’re really fucken stupid!

“Let me tell you something. Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively; that the men who formed the Union and framed the Constitution designed the permanent exclusion of the colored people from the benefits of those institutions. Davis, Taney and Yancey, traitors at the south, have propagated this statement, while their copperhead echoes at the north have repeated the same. There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history. So far from this purpose was the mind and heart of your fathers, that they desired and expected the abolition of slavery. They framed the Constitution plainly with a view to the speedy downfall of slavery. They carefully excluded from the Constitution any and every word which could lead to the belief that they meant it for persons of only one complexion.

The Constitution, in its language and in its spirit, welcomes the black man to all the rights which it was intended to guarantee to any class of the American people. Its preamble tells us for whom and for what it was made. “

Even Marceaux, I mean Blower, doesn’t post anything as ridiculous as Beckerhead’s quote.

Beck is absolutely correct on the subject. There’s nothing ridiculous about it.

Yeah the founding fathers 3/5th compromise turned out real well.We only needed a bloody Civil War with 500,000 deaths and endless destruction to finally have the South give up slavery.And some of the founding father were slave owners also.Beck has turned a lot of people into complete idiots.Slavery was a part of American life.

Pablo said:

Except, of course, African Americans weren’t included, well, included as 3/5ths of a person, until the Fourteenth Amendment, which, if I’m not mistaken, all of you want to repeal.

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HATE AND LIES, OR LIES AND HATE.
THOUGH FACTS AND NEWS CAN’T BE FOUND
SAVE FACTS AND NEWS WE CREATE.

The Real Royal King said:
Except, of course, African Americans weren’t included, well, included as 3/5ths of a person,

The Constitution says nothing about Africans, black people or African Americans. Nothing.

chucken said:
Yeah the founding fathers 3/5th compromise turned out real well.We only needed a bloody Civil War with 500,000 deaths and endless destruction to finally have the South give up slavery.

It’s still going on, all that destruction? I suppose you’d prefer that we’d kept slavery. Do you miss Saddam too?

lanquihue said:
So we’ve come to the real reason you hate Beck. Nice.

Nothing personal, but some Mormons believe these are the end of days and that America must melt down before the return of Christ. That effects their views.

Hey Pablo,Speedy end of Slavery?1776 to 1865?You might have a lower education than Beck the coked out slacker.There was no intent of ending slavery in 1776. It was there and the cheap labor helped build a nation.,Just like the cheap China immigrants that built the railroads.White people exploited non-white people.It was in all the papers.

chucken said:
You might have a lower education than Beck the coked out slacker.There was no intent of ending slavery in 1776.

Oh, so you think that quote was stupid, chucken? That someone who would say any such thing must be an ignorant fool who knows nothing about slavery or the Founders?

Is that any way to talk about Frederick Douglass? That quote is his, from July 1863.

Pablo said:
Oh, so you think that quote was stupid, chucken? That someone who would say any such thing must be an ignorant fool who knows nothing about slavery or the Founders? Is that any way to talk about Frederick Douglass? That quote is his, from July 1863.

Ouch. submission hold and a tapout. Nice takedown

One of these nitwits was bound to walk into that. Here’s a song about talking to chucken.

There is something self-serving about professional news media celebs hosting their own rallies and promoting their own agendas. Beck is riding the coat-tails of as many Christians, patriots and citizens as he can- all to his own benefit.

Glenn Beck’s an idiot and his worshippers are “racist”. Glenduh isn’t interested in honoring MLK. He’s out to “mock” African Americans and sell Books. He’s practically begging people to show up so Fox can get a Good Photo Op. And all the “racist” will be out with their “We want our country back” B.S.
Then of course “Twitter and Chief” was added to the roster to get more people to show up, sell her books and collect her Fox paycheck.
I think it’s amusing and just another Game by the little “fat boy” with the chalkboard. It’s not bothering me One Bit. I forgot about it until I read this article. Let them stand out there. Beck and Palin are still going down in history as the George Wallace racist of the 21 Century.
Wonder if he added Dr. Laura Schlessinger to his “Hate America Diversity” Mob Rally..
(Tea Hee).. People should relax and let the Glenduh KKK Church of Hate enjoy their day “Honoring MLK”. As if anyone believes that “crap”. I say Let the whole world see them.

the whole point why the 8/28 Restoring Honor event at the Lincoln Memorial is because of MLK’s “I have a dream” speech. Dr.Martin Luther King Jr envisioned a united nation that judges one not of color but of content of character. the civil rights back then were not about looking good like it is now, it was about the people. take a good look of the civil rights photos of then and now. back then you can see the uncertainty, fear, and frustration the black men marching on up, they were not politicians! our politicians of today were smiling while Nancy Pelosi holds the gavel in her arms smiling with people in the background looks are frustration, fear, and uncertainty to a government who would not listen to them but claims they are “for the people”. tell me this, when in recent history has the government been for the people? Dr. Martin Luther King’s niece Dr. Alveda Kings is going to be there and if MLK were alive today, he would be proud of Glenn Beck. MLK fought for civil rights with honor. there is no honor with the civil rights today that our politicians claim to fight for

Dr King’s niece will be there but, Alveda King is the only member of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s family to commit to speak the rally.

Beck continually says he is not stating facts, he is only an entertainer, or a rodeo clown.

I cannot picture MLK supporting a man who stated on multiple occasions that a sitting president was a racist against white people.

So many of you say Beck is not stupid right? He knows so much and speaks the truth so, this very knowledgeable man who speaks the truth is surprised on what happened on 8/28/1963? Pick one either he has all this precious knowledge or he doesnt, he cannot have selective amnesia.

Beck can do what he wants within the law, the point is this country is not ruled by mob law, not the community center nor Beck. You cant pick and choose when you want to support the constitution.

If you dont hold to your values when they are tested then they are not values, only opinion.

@mugatu;

Ditto and good post. And…where are the people who knew Martin Luther King best his children and siblings. Why aren’t they speaking at this day to honor him. Last week Beck said his rally will be like Woodstock. Sooo…he’s holding an event to honor Dr. King that resembles a hippie, drug, rock, free sex event from 40 years ago.
The only thing I will see is a bunch of “racist” that Fox, Palin and Limbaugh scarred half to death with their B.S. holding American flags pretending under the belief that this country is going to move back to the days of the 1950′s.
I have NO problem with this rally. Let them get their hatred and anxiety OUT because nobody is going backwards but them.

Richard Gray Foster said:
There is something self-serving about professional news media celebs hosting their own rallies and promoting their own agendas. Beck is riding the coat-tails of as many Christians, patriots and citizens as he can- all to his own benefit.

Yesterday, one of the traditional news sites did a slide presentation of religious intolerance in America. One of the featured intolerant Americans was Father Coughlin. I think Beckerhead views himself as a Latter Day Father Couglin.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

“An overlap some people might find offensive”!!!!!!!
——————————————————————–
I find that TWISTED LOGIC OFFENSIVE!

Was Martin Luther King AGAINST FREEDOM?????
- then why should anyone feel offended – unless the Professional Left Media is ‘GUIDING’ them to feel offended! – with Glenn Beck’s FREEDOM RALLY!!!???!!!

They’re both supporting the same thing- FREEDOM! – but that’s not what Progressives and the Professional Left wants to see!!!

GET OVER IT!
IT’S HAPPENING!! – & THE MOSQUE ‘AINT!!!

lol!!!!!

NOVEMBER 2, 2010

mugatu said:
Dr King’s niece will be there but, Alveda King is the only member of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s family to commit to speak the rally. Beck continually says he is not stating facts, he is only an entertainer, or a rodeo clown. I cannot picture MLK supporting a man who stated on multiple occasions that a sitting president was a racist against white people. So many of you say Beck is not stupid right? He knows so much and speaks the truth so, this very knowledgeable man who speaks the truth is surprised on what happened on 8/28/1963? Pick one either he has all this precious knowledge or he doesnt, he cannot have selective amnesia. Beck can do what he wants within the law, the point is this country is not ruled by mob law, not the community center nor Beck. You cant pick and choose when you want to support the constitution. If you dont hold to your values when they are tested then they are not values, only opinion.

This is a very good post, and I want to thank you for it. We seem to have a number of people in our nation for whom the 60′s never happened or who have decided that the 60′s ought to be stricken from our history. The simple fact is our nation advances in bold sprints ahead followed by retreat. But the retreat never goes back as far as the start of the advance. Five ahead, three back. The 60′s were a great formative time for us, as great a time as the time of our founding. We shifted, a true paradgim shift, and as much as the Beckerheads would have us turn around and go back to the glorious 50′s or some other mythical salad days, it isn’t going to happen. I sometimes think the anger, intolerance, bitterness, rage we see with some Americans today is simply their abject fear that we are in the process, at the start of another great advance and they realize they can’t stop it. They can merely delay us reaching our new destination and make our journey a bit unpleasant.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

NORBIT said:
“An overlap some people might find offensive”!!!!!!!——————————————————————–I find that TWISTED LOGIC OFFENSIVE! Was Martin Luther King AGAINST FREEDOM?????- then why should anyone feel offended – unless the Professional Left Media is ‘GUIDING’ them to feel offended! – with Glenn Beck’s FREEDOM RALLY!!!???!!! They’re both supporting the same thing- FREEDOM! – but that’s not what Progressives and the Professional Left wants to see!!! GET OVER IT!IT’S HAPPENING!! – & THE MOSQUE ‘AINT!!! lol!!!!! NOVEMBER 2, 2010

The point is, my dear Norbit, many of us believe the Beckerhead can’t distinguish between freedom and a fast buck. We view up, with at least some justification, as the slimiest of ignorant and intolerant charlatans. Having said that, he is most welcome to spread his ignorance and intolerance. Just don’t expect most Americans to be as easily fooled as you.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

You’ve got to be kidding me. The date of a speech is now a holiday of some sort? Oh, brother. Wow, really scraping the bottom of the Beck hating barrel with this one.

The Real Royal King said:
The point is, my dear Norbit, many of us believe the Beckerhead can’t distinguish between freedom and a fast buck. We view up, with at least some justification, as the slimiest of ignorant and intolerant charlatans. Having said that, he is most welcome to spread his ignorance and intolerance. Just don’t expect most Americans to be as easily fooled as you. AT FOX: BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

Yea, and I know some who believe they’re Vampires! – It doesn’t mean we should all walk around with Garlic and a Cross!!!!!!!!

This is such another PLAY-THE RACE-CARD Smear-Tactic by the Professional Left..it’s pathetic!
- but take note!! – It’s working LESS-&-LESS, and now there’s a backlash building against the Phony ‘Racism’ charge!!

NORBIT said:
but take note!! – It’s working LESS-&-LESS, and now there’s a backlash building against the Phony ‘Racism’ charge!!

So I hear, at least by people who think there were 314,209,118 Americans at the Washington Tea Party and that 329,999,817 watch the Beckerhead Hour. My dear grandmother spent some portion of her summers after retirement in a Pimm’s Pitcher induced haze. It seemed rather pleasant for her. I think it a permanent state for the Beckerheads.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

yweston said:
Ditto and good post. And…where are the people who knew Martin Luther King best his children and siblings.

Alveda King marched with MLK Jr, as did her father. Yolanda, MLK’s oldest child, was 12 when he died. His only surviving sibling, Christine King Farris, hasn’t had any comment, nor has any of his children, from what I’ve seen. So what’s your point? Alveda is inauthentic?

SSSSSHHHHHHH!!!!

Now, we all know, at the end of the day:
THE RALLY HAPPENS – AND THE MOSQUE DOESN’T!!!

Don’t worry, Professional Left, this is nothing compared to the sinking feeling you’re all going to have on 11/03!!!!

Hope & (particularly)CHANGE!

kit9 said:
You’ve got to be kidding me. The date of a speech is now a holiday of some sort? Oh, brother.

When you give an important speech, that date becomes your birthday!

mugatu said:
Dr King’s niece will be there but, Alveda King is the only member of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s family to commit to speak the rally.

No, it isn’t.

Beck continually says he is not stating facts, he is only an entertainer, or a rodeo clown.

Bullshit.

I cannot picture MLK supporting a man who stated on multiple occasions that a sitting president was a racist against white people.

If it’s true, I don’t see why he’d have a problem with it. King’s dream was that we judge each other not by skin color but by content of character.

So many of you say Beck is not stupid right? He knows so much and speaks the truth so, this very knowledgeable man who speaks the truth is surprised on what happened on 8/28/1963? Pick one either he has all this precious knowledge or he doesnt, he cannot have selective amnesia.

I don’t know anyone who knows everything, and I know some awfully smart people. I know some people who think they know everything, but they’re wrong. Six months ago, very few people would have been able to tell you what date that speech was without looking it up. That has now changed, thanks to Glenn Beck.

Beck can do what he wants within the law, the point is this country is not ruled by mob law, not the community center nor Beck. You cant pick and choose when you want to support the constitution.

That’s very true, but it’s good to keep in mind what the Constitution actually does.

If you dont hold to your values when they are tested then they are not values, only opinion.

True, and worse, if you can’t do it, you’re a hypocrite.

There’s absolutely nothing insensitive about Beck, a man who abides by a racist doctrine, saying that he will retake the civil rights movement on the anniversary of one of the most significant events of the civil rights movement.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
There’s absolutely nothing insensitive about Beck, a man who abides by a racist doctrine, saying that he will retake the civil rights movement on the anniversary of one of the most significant events of the civil rights movement.

First, ‘The_Reasonable_Lib’ is an oxymoron.

Second, the only fools complaining about Beck and his views on Dr. King haven’t heard a word Beck has said. But then again, why would the race baiters and those with obviously limited thinking capacity like ‘The_Reasonable_Lib’ want to mess anything up with the truth or facts?

Third, it’s a shame that liberals feel the need to keep telling trusting blacks that they are oppressed and would be helpless without the help of Democrats. The only thing liberals have going for them with blacks is skin color. Blacks that vote for Democrats are voting to keep themselves on the plantation.

You know what is a problem, TRL? Making stuff up. You should stop it.

yweston said:
Glenn Beck’s an idiot, blah, blah, blah….

Hey, have you ever posted a comment here that was not a hate filled diatribe targeting some conservative? You’re a fucken loon.

Beck, other that the Koch brothers, does more for the left than (almost) anyone else. Does the right really want to alienate any more minority groups? Yikes this is dumb. I am neither Right/Middle/or Left on any issue. I just look for what supports ALL Americans and helps them to feel proud, safe and secure. My opinion on Mr. Beck is notoriously low. He is an opportunist and an entertainer who seeks the limelight by saying and doing whatever outrageous, ingenuinous thing come to mind that will keep people talking about him. There are far, far (far) better representatives of conservatism than this man. Don’t make a hero out of a dangerous, infectious, dolt with not respect for America or Americans who preys on my fellow Americans who are isolated, depressed, fearful and desperate.

gordonbloyershow said:
So no one can ever have an event at the Lincoln Memorial on this day? What a joke. The country owns the Lincoln Memorial not MLK or anyone else that speaks there. No one is stopping Muslims from building a mosque in NYC. There are 100 in NYC. The people are asking nicely to not put a mosque at that location. If you claim that your are reaching out to Americans then don’t put it there.

Good point. I believe in the freedom of religion and the separation of church and state, but this was a rather insensitive to those still dealing with loss, in mourning and traumatized by 9/11. I don’t want them hurt any more than they have been. It’s insensitive, as was Mr. Beck’s choice of event date… I don’t want African American’s hurt any more than they already have been.

StandUp said:
The Beck-haters will come out in full force
Spreading lies and insults so coarse
But Beck will present just the facts
The left will step up their attacks
Beating and beating that dead horse.

Take note RRK, that’s how it’s done.

Beck is a believer in the writings of Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda, and writer of “Reden and Lernen,” telling just how to tell the big lie. Beck must have read and believed every word of Goebbel. Beck is a master of the BIG LIE. He is nothing more than an alcoholic and dyslexic who can’t tell “shit from shinola.”

ChiliPeppersFan said:
and it’s not a point of can he give a speech but should he give a speech. it’s an issue of who is behind it. look at the history of beck.
Back when Mr. Beck was simply a coked-out zoo-style morning talk jock on a Kentucky station—rather than a national political philosopher—he regularly mimicked African-American speech patterns for fun. “He used to do a funny ‘black guy’ character, really over the top,” recalls one of his former colleagues, quoted by biographer Alexander Zaitchik in a fascinating Salon.com profile.
and
Mr. Beck also became a devotee of the Mormon crank author and conspiracy theorist W. Cleon Skousen, whose writings he enthusiastically promotes to this day. Among Skousen’s pet theories was that Southern slave owners were actually the victims of the plantation system, which according to him favored the lazy and pampered slaves, whose children he called “pickaninnies.” Like his ultra-right friends in the John Birch Society and kindred groups, Skousen was a dedicated foe of civil rights legislation.

so is racism something you can overcome? or does beck have a deep seated hated of black people?

The last 3 Glenn Beck TV shows were awesome. No way you can call this guy a racist after watching these shows. He is the best thing to happen to the country in quite some time. He’s all about the truth. If he makes a
mistake he’ll correct it. He educates and backs up his commentary / lectures with sources in most cases.
Too the Fans and especially doubters and haters of Glenn please check out this website,

http://www.watchglennbeck.com.

Watch the shows from the 19th, 20th and 21th and tell me what you think of this man afterward. Especially if
you’re African American or Native American. The whole show without commercial interruption. Don’t give me what you heard someone say about him or when he’s taken out of context. I’m sincerely asking anyone out there to watch these 3 shows and then give me your honest opinion.

–Becks believes the President Obama is racist
–Beck did not answer the question why should blacks support the constitution in its early creation
–Beck believes the President Obama is a muslim
–Beck makes statements that are race baiting
–Beck supports anger
–Beck has never presented himself as anything other than a fool
–Beck would not trust anyone who considers him a leader and he stated that and fools still are following this fool
–Beck has not proven me wrong on any of the points listed
—I cannot think of more for I have not watched this dude since he opened on Fox
–I talked to man and he is shallow man

gottosay said:
–Becks believes the President Obama is racist
–Beck did not answer the question why should blacks support the constitution in its early creation
–Beck believes the President Obama is a muslim
–Beck makes statements that are race baiting
–Beck supports anger
–Beck has never presented himself as anything other than a fool
–Beck would not trust anyone who considers him a leader and he stated that and fools still are following this fool
–Beck has not proven me wrong on any of the points listed
—I cannot think of more for I have not watched this dude since he opened on Fox
–I talked to man and he is shallow man

This is another attempt of a leftist throwing mud on a wall and hoping same of it sticks… It true that Beck “thinks” Obama is a racist. Now I don’t know but the actions of the DOJ in the voter intimation case speaks volumes.

But
When has he race baited?
When has he supported anger?
When has he ever said Obama was a Muslim?
When in the last few years has ever presented himself as a fool? (I guess this one is a matter of opinion)

Again, leftist throwing mud with no facts. This is what they do when they can’t defend themselves with facts or
examples.

Yweston says:

I have NO problem with this rally. Let them get their hatred and anxiety OUT because nobody is going backwards but them.

I’m surprised you haven’t gotten all yours out by now.

Nothing personal, but you find in life only those things you look for.

By the way everyone I don’t recall Glenn Beck killing 3000 people or 1 for that matter. I don’t recall the Lincoln Memorial being a site were mass murder was commented in the name of Islam.

No one questioning legal rights of either question.

I’ll tell this though, even with the high unemployment rate they are going have a hard time getting anyone to build that Mosque.

Glynnis wrote: On Reliable Sources this morning Howard Kurtz took the Lower Manhattan mosque debate one step further and asked whether, since the opposition to the mosque centers on the insensitivity of the location, Glenn Beck should consider moving his 8/28 Restoring Honor rally at the Lincoln Memorial because…

Opposition is not based on insensitivity—that would be a violation of political correctness. Glynnis, please cite chapter, verse and paragraph on that violation. Oh, excuse me, political correctness is not written down. How convenient for the fourth estate. PC gives more practical power than does the Bill Of Rights anyway.

No, the opposition is that it is wrong. Although they haven’t done it yet, the 911 site is a National Memorial and should be protected as such. There should be one theme from the site and its surrounds, as a war memorial to those that perished. The surrounds should be cleaned up and made to support that theme. The strip joints should be encouraged to take the money and run. The existing center (is it a mosque?) could be cleaned up if made to serve in the same capacity and scale. A mosque should not be erected that diminishes the 911 memorial/message.

The administration should initiate declaration of the site and its turnover to a caretaker to protect and rule on compliance (to guidelines debated and defined by congress).

Hell no, Glenn shouldn’t move his event.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/23/alveda-king-speaks-on-whether-her-uncle-martin-luther-king-jr-would-stand-with-glenn-beck-or-naacp-on-aug-28/

StandUp said:
The Beck-haters will come out in full forceSpreading lies and insults so coarseBut Beck will present just the factsThe left will step up their attacksBeating and beating that dead horse. Take note RRK, that’s how it’s done.

Now THAT’S poetry!

lanquihue said:
Hey, have you ever posted a comment here that was not a hate filled diatribe targeting some conservative? You’re a fucken loon.

No, she’s a professional victim and that’s all that professional victims are capable of doing. No substance, just hate.

valkyrie101 said:
Nothing personal, but some Mormons believe these are the end of days and that America must melt down before the return of Christ. That effects their views.

YOU LIE! I have researched this with two LDS families who live close by my home and one of these people has been an Elder for more than 40 years! WHY ARE YOU LYING?

Let me redirect the above: Certainly, there are members of ALL religious denominations who MIGHT believe something so outlandish. HOWEVER: Your statement is NOT a part of ANY officially stated belief of any LDS faction.