Typical lib, how would he know?

Sadly, and obviously, the best part of Junior slid right down Dutch’s leg.

Man, it must be tough having someone with the same name as your personal hero constantly bringing you down.

Not when you know said idiot is a raving liberal lunatic.

He personally did know the man. None of us here did. He has an advantage over us and Palin.

Quoting little Ron about his father’s legacy and thinking is just flat out laughable; why are you even giving him the time of day? He is a raving left loony-toon as everyone knows.

Is he MENTAL or DERANGED? Truely SAD! I feel very sorry for him!

Yeah because there’s no way he would know anything about his father. I hear Big Ron and Hannity were pretty close pals though, maybe Ron spilled a few secrets over drinks.

He is right ! The Republicans today would call Reagan a RINO.

TfT said:
Quoting little Ron about his father’s legacy and thinking is just flat out laughable; why are you even giving him the time of day? He is a raving left loony-toon as everyone knows.

Lefty or not, he has had far more experience in knowing his father than anyone here.

his dad hated him and that ws a known fact… he was the child the family didnt want..

this punk kid probably had no relationship at all with his father. he dosen’t know jack about Reagan.

juan said:
Is he MENTAL or DERANGED? Truely SAD! I feel very sorry for him!

Right? I mean how could have he known his father better than Sarah palin. Not like he saw his father everyday like palin or beck did.

thankfully Reagan and his daughter (her name escapes at the moment) were able to work out their differences before it was too late.

Ron Reagan Jr was never close or approved of anything his dad or mom did. He said things years ago against his family.
He has always be a far left emotions first before actually thought kind of person. So anything he says now means nothing and usually not very close to any facts.

LibertySister said:
Ron Reagan Jr was never close or approved of anything his dad or mom did. He said things years ago against his family.
He has always be a far left emotions first before actually thought kind of person. So anything he says now means nothing and usually not very close to any facts.

Left, right, right, left. Whatever.
He did know the man. I didn’t. You didn’t. Palin, Beck, etc etc etc didn’t

He does have that factual advantage. He knew the man. Hell, named after him, too.

LibertySister said:
Ron Reagan Jr was never close or approved of anything his dad or mom did. He said things years ago against his family.
He has always be a far left emotions first before actually thought kind of person. So anything he says now means nothing and usually not very close to any facts.

That’s what your dad tells everyone about you. ;)

It warms my heart to see conservatives freak out when Ron Jr speaks the truth.

rover37 said:
his dad hated him and that ws a known fact… he was the child the family didnt want..

I’m sure that’s not true. I respect Pres. Reagan, even if I disagree with him on many issues, and from what I’ve seen of the man, he seemed like a good, decent person who would not be so shallow as to hate his son because he’s a liberal. Disappointed? Sure, but not hate.

stormin1961 said:
thankfully Reagan and his daughter (her name escapes at the moment) were able to work out their differences before it was too late.

I believe it’s Maureen.

AngelPeters said:
He personally did know the man. None of us here did. He has an advantage over us and Palin.

I knew Ron Reagan Jr. He consulted to a company I was with in the bay area. I knew he never really knew his father or ever liked him that much… he said once on a TV show “more people outside his family knew more about his father then himself.”

I think he just hates Palin because she could beat him up. Pansy!

Jmat40 said:
It warms my heart to see conservatives freak out when Ron Jr speaks the truth.

Ron no doubts has his own biases about his father. That is not my personal point, although it may be others.
My point is this. Ron actually KNEW his father. Not Palin, Not Beck, not me, not anyone here, etc etc.

Conservatives hold Reagan dear. I have no problem with that. As with most historical figures, Reagan has also taken on a mythological quality because of those who have lifted him up as a beacon. Legends and myths grow.

Ron Jr certainly is in a position to see the difference between the reality his father was as a man and they myth that many conservatives embrace.

Ronald Reagan was a man. A good man IMO with a deeply held vision, but still a mere mortal.
Ron Jr personally knew the mere mortal that was his father and has no need to embrace a myth.

stoogedudes said:
I’m sure that’s not true. I respect Pres. Reagan, even if I disagree with him on many issues, and from what I’ve seen of the man, he seemed like a good, decent person who would not be so shallow as to hate his son because he’s a liberal. Disappointed? Sure, but not hate.

I believe it’s Maureen.

Why would he be dissapointed? Ronald Reagan became conservative when he saw an opening in the conservative movement after the fall off Goldwater. He himself was a liberal democrat before he wante to run for governor and president. Truth might hurt.

Ron Jr certainly is in a position to see the difference between the reality his father was as a man and they myth that many conservatives embrace.

Um so is Michael Reagan and what he says is way different.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
I think he just hates Palin because she could beat him up. Pansy!

I think he believes that Palin is using his father’s legacy for whatever reason
The fact remains. He personally knew his father. Palin didn’t.

It is pathetic how many Republicans regard Reagan as a messianic figure. As Ron points out his father supported amnesty and laws to promote abortion. These are hardly talking points on the Right. But, don’t let facts get in the way of myth and legend. And Reagan does have a lot more in common with Obama than Palin. He could speak intelligibly as if English was his first language. He never quit a job as elected official. He had enough class not to criticize family members in public as Palin likes to do with Levi Johnston. He never accused a political opponent of hanging out with terrorists. I could go on and on.

It is pathetic how many liberals regard Obama as a messianic figure

Fixed it for you WillP

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Ron Jr certainly is in a position to see the difference between the reality his father was as a man and they myth that many conservatives embrace.

Um so is Michael Reagan and what he says is way different.

Has Michael said anything about Palin? I honestly havent followed what Michael thinks of Palin in comparison to his father.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
I think he just hates Palin because she could beat him up. Pansy!

Is that why you hate the president. U are scared he might beat u up. Lol…..

Angel, he has plenty to say about Ron’s many claims. Google it!

stoogedudes said:
I’m sure that’s not true. I respect Pres. Reagan, even if I disagree with him on many issues, and from what I’ve seen of the man, he seemed like a good, decent person who would not be so shallow as to hate his son because he’s a liberal. Disappointed? Sure, but not hate. I believe it’s Maureen.

You’re thinking of Patti Davis. She is the other worthless Reagan. She and Junior were both Ron & Nancy’s damaged offspring. Maureen was normal, as is Michael.

As for the incessant harping that junior knew his father and we didn’t, that is an idiotic argument. We have history to rely on, Junior has has his own drug addled memories that are mostly made up fantasy. He’s been a loser all his life, ain’t likely to change now.

nice_thought said:
Why would he be dissapointed? Ronald Reagan became conservative when he saw an opening in the conservative movement after the fall off Goldwater. He himself was a liberal democrat before he wante to run for governor and president. Truth might hurt.

Yes, but people change political beliefs from time to time. I don’t know for sure as I didn’t know either one of them, but I’m sure Pres. Reagan wasn’t disappointed in his son wholly, just that as a conservative, he would have rather seen his son share his political viewpoints. And if I’m right, the two got into arguments over politics many times.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
It is pathetic how many liberals regard Obama as a messianic figure

Fixed it for you WillP

That was one of my biggest concerns during the ’08 election. People, including the media, built up Obama to beyond his being only a man.

The whole rock star crap was serious problem.

Has Ron Reagan Jr came out of the closet yet? He needs to put some things other than men behind him. Let it go, Ron you were an complete embarrassment to your father, nobody cares.

Is that why you hate the president. U are scared he might beat u up. Lol…..

Nice thought, I don’t hate him, I loathe his politics. There is a difference. Just yesterday on anther thread, I stated he seems like a likable person, in regards to personality.

Yoda002 said:
He is right ! The Republicans today would call Reagan a RINO.

I agree. But as R.R. jr. points out they fetishize him, so they will overlook their differences of opinion.

Loved, the Batman line.

AngelPeters said:
Ron Jr personally knew the mere mortal that was his father and has no need to embrace a myth.

He has the need to embrace his own agenda. Facts speak for themselves. He’s a classic douche bag with no sense of honor. If his dad was a nobody, he’d still speak ill of him, it’s his personality, that of a liberal whiner.

timzank said:
You’re thinking of Patti Davis. She is the other worthless Reagan. She and Junior were both Ron & Nancy’s damaged offspring. Maureen was normal, as is Michael.

As for the incessant harping that junior knew his father and we didn’t, that is an idiotic argument. We have history to rely on, Junior has has his own drug addled memories that are mostly made up fantasy. He’s been a loser all his life, ain’t likely to change now.

Surely you know that history is notorious for the mythologies and legends that it breeds?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Is that why you hate the president. U are scared he might beat u up. Lol…..

Nice thought, ron reagan doesn’t hate Palin, He loathes her politics. There is a difference. Just yesterday on anther thread, I stated he seems like a likable person, in regards to personality.

Yoda002 said:
He is right ! The Republicans today would call Reagan a RINO.

JFK would be laughed out of the Dem party.

Oh yay, the Reagan family’s massive embarrassment chimes in again as if we give a shit.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Yoda002 said:
He is right ! The Republicans today would call Reagan a RINO.

JFK would be laughed out of the Dem party.

U might be right on that one.

Tony Westover says:
Oh yay, the Reagan family’s massive embarrassment chimes in again as if we give a shit.

I love how the liberal media always neglects to preface his comments with the fact that he’s a flaming lib, in the hopes their viewers are too stupid to know. Chances are, they are.

ron reagan, levi johnson — YES !!!! I can now, finally see why the lunatic-left d-crat socialists are so in love with abortions.

Nice Thought says:

U might be right on that one.

Common ground with 2 libs today!! A personal best!

Yoda002 said:
He is right ! The Republicans today would call Reagan a RINO.

Right in some sense because the Republican party (and the conservative ideology in general) is becoming increasingly libertarian at a rapid pace.

Of course, people who throw out this ol’ chestnut that “Reagan would be a RINO!” of have absolute and utter contempt for context and the fact that Reagan had to deal with a Democrat-majority Congress so he clearly couldn’t do everything he wanted.

Based on his principles, only a moron would say that Reagan would be a RINO today. Hell, if he were alive today he’d be the leading 2012 challenger to Barack Obama.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Nice Thought says:

U might be right on that one.

Common ground with 2 libs today!! A personal best!

I might be more conservative than you are. ;)

TeaPartyPatriot said:
ron reagan, levi johnson — YES !!!! I can now, finally see why the lunatic-left d-crat socialists are so in love with abortions.

Well they actually liked it because it would mean more dead black babies. Just ask Margaret Sanger :-)

Really? I shouldn’t make judegments based on your comments I guess. If you are indeed a conservative I couldn’t apolgize enough for calling your a liberal.

I love it how the Teabaggers go apoplectic when hit with facts about Reagan LOL Let’s go through some of them that are anathema to their movement.

1. Reagan was not hawkish. Not a war monger. HATED sending American troops to war zones unlike present day neocons. George Bush Sr, Clinton, George Bush Jr, Obama have all sent more troops to war than Reagan ever did. Don’t forget after the bombing of the marine barracks in Lebanon, Reagan folded and recalled the troops back home! If Obama did such a thing, he would be called a “spineless liberal” enabling our enemies.
2. START, INF etc. He accelerated the arms reduction between the US and the Soviets/Russia! Reagan was bat shit scared about a nuclear war. Obama was chided by the cons for renewing START just a couple months ago.
3. He illegally sold arms to Iran during an embargo. (Can you imagine if Obama did this today?) to barter for help in freeing hostages & also, funded guerillas in S. America. Let’s not forget his funding of the Mujahadeen (Osama fought for them) and Saddam regime.
4. He raised taxes…..SEVERAL TIMES as President.
5. Almost tripled the national debt in his 8 years in office. (partly to do with the insane spending on defense + tax cuts)
6. He funded entitlements (SS especially) with a tax hike. LOL!
7. He never did anything as POTUS to roll back Roe v. Wade. Signed a law allowing abortion in CA. BTW, the SOCONS hated him because he wasn’t an activist on this front as potus!
8. Not an ideologue like the present day teabaggers. Appointed a moderate to the US Supreme Court (Sandra Day O’Connor). Such a vote today would get any GOP’er kicked off a primary!
9. Granted amnesty to illegals. Double LOL!
10. Established the VA. (That is a substantial growth of the federal government!)

I may have forgotten a thing or two but feel free baggers to challenge any of it.

Gasket, you lost any credibility with #1 on your list. NO ONE LIKES WAR, some of us just think it’s necessary sometimes. Somone once said, peace through strength. Who was that again?

stoogedudes said:

“Yes, but people change political beliefs from time to time”

Yeah, they do. Once upon a time I was a liberal. True story, not snark. Ain’t that somethin’?

Tony Westover said:
Right in some sense because the Republican party (and the conservative ideology in general) is becoming increasingly libertarian at a rapid pace.

Of course, people who throw out this ol’ chestnut that “Reagan would be a RINO!” of have absolute and utter contempt for context and the fact that Reagan had to deal with a Democrat-majority Congress so he clearly couldn’t do everything he wanted.

Based on his principles, only a moron would say that Reagan would be a RINO today. Hell, if he were alive today he’d be the leading 2012 challenger to Barack Obama.

But you can back to how governed California and see that he would be called RINO. But I guess when you used to be a democrat it’s hard to swing that far right.

Tony Westover said:
Right in some sense because the Republican party (and the conservative ideology in general) is becoming increasingly libertarian at a rapid pace.
.

No it is not. This is the BIGGEST lie ever. A libertarian caucus would not be pushing some of the bills the GOP has done THIS week alone! Do you know how many GOPers voted to EXTEND the Patriot Act? That law is antithetical to Libertarians. How about those bills targeting abortion and abortion providers? Libertarian…NOT!

But, you can go back to how he governed California and see that he would be called a RINO, But I guess when you used to be a democrat it’s hard to swing that far right.

Yoda002 said:
But you can back to how governed California and see that he would be called RINO. But I guess when you used to be a democrat it’s hard to swing that far right.

Dude, you are right. Tony is in denial. Reagan with his RECORD would be called a RINO today. FACT. Blaming it on the Democratic congress is scapegoating. If he was as principled and dogmatic as they say he was, he would have VETOED all those bills.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Is that why you hate the president. U are scared he might beat u up. Lol…..

Nice thought, I don’t hate him, I loathe his politics. There is a difference. Just yesterday on anther thread, I stated he seems like a likable person, in regards to personality.

No, Bitter Tormented Michelle-in-Utah. You, Tumbleweed, Janet Hawkins and her worhtless toadie, Jeff Merrill. Each of you hate. To the very depths of your dark souls, you hate him. And, in so doing, you hate America.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Gasket, you lost any credibility with #1 on your list. NO ONE LIKES WAR, some of us just think it’s necessary sometimes. Somone once said, peace through strength. Who was that again?

No, Bitter Tormented Michelle in Utah, you love war.

LibertySister said:
Ron Reagan Jr was never close or approved of anything his dad or mom did. He said things years ago against his family.
He has always be a far left emotions first before actually thought kind of person. So anything he says now means nothing and usually not very close to any facts.

Actually, Nancy and Ron were very close. The closest relationship she had with her children and step children. I agree Raygun himself wasn’t close to any of his children. Cold, distant relationships one and all. Hardly the fault of the children.

Gasket said:
I love it how the Teabaggers go apoplectic when hit with facts about Reagan LOL Let’s go through some of them that are anathema to their movement.

Oh yay! I love when far left bigots such as yourself frame the Tea Party Movement the way you WANT it to be instead of how it actually is.

Gasket said:
1. Reagan was not hawkish.

Neither is the Tea Party. They’re protectionists.

Gasket said:
2. START, INF etc.

The Tea Party doesn’t have any issue with MUTUALLY reducing nuclear arms.

Gasket said:
3. He illegally sold arms to Iran during an embargo.

Revisionist history. Reagan received exactly zero indictments from Iran-Contra.

Gasket said:
4. He raised taxes…..SEVERAL TIMES as President.

Revisionist history. Congress raised taxes, Reagan had little choice and Congress overrode all of his vetoes on tax increased..

Gasket said:
5. Almost tripled the national debt in his 8 years in office.

Your one valid point. He raised the debt substantially with Star Wars. His increase in debt was more than sustainable.

Gasket said:
6. He funded entitlements (SS especially) with a tax hike. LOL!

We already went over how this was revisionist history…

Gasket said:
7. He never did anything as POTUS to roll back Roe v. Wade.

So not only are you a reviser of history, you’re also completely incompetent when it comes to the powers of the federal government. The president nor Congress have the power to “roll back” Roe v. Wade. Only the Supreme Court and We the People can do anything about that.

Gasket said:
8. Not an ideologue like the present day teabaggers.

He was a staunch conservative and nobody argues with that… well, no one with more than half a brain which would exclude you. There’s no point to even refute this because it’s so hilariously ridiculous.

Gasket said:
9. Granted amnesty to illegals.

How surprising, more revisionist history. Amnesty requires an act of Congress. The Simpson-Mazzoli Act granted amnesty to illegal immigrants, among other things.

Gasket said:
10. Established the VA.

Oh wow! More revisionist history, didn’t see that one coming! The VA was established in 1930. Reagan was 20 years old and wouldn’t be president for 50 years. The VA became a cabinet under George Bush, dumbass.

Royal Dimwit, you just had 2 posts in a row telling me what I think. No wonder Olby Watch had to ban you for 10,000 harrassing posts. Get a life man. Oh wait, you already have 7 or 8,.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Gasket, you lost any credibility with #1 on your list. NO ONE LIKES WAR, some of us just think it’s necessary sometimes. Somone once said, peace through strength. Who was that again?

Neocons LOVE war and aggressive military incursions. John “Bomb Iran” Bolton is one of those Neocons. Several of Reagan’s advisers tried to get Reagan to go to large scale wars and he rebuffed them. Read your history sister before challenging me on it! Most people don’t even know the country Reagan sent troops to.

You’re an idiot Gasket if you think we love war. An absolutely ridiculous statement, as most of yours are.

Yoda002 said:
But you can back to how governed California and see that he would be called RINO. But I guess when you used to be a democrat it’s hard to swing that far right.

People don’t refer to his governance of California, they refer to his governance as president. It’s well known that Reagan was originally a Progressives earlier in life, and then he got some sense in his head and adopted a right-wing ideology.

Moral of the story is that Progressivism of the mind can be cured. There are plenty of other examples, my favorite being John Stossel.

I have to say, I think Ron is correct about this. But, I also think Raygun would be distant from conservatism today. Conservatism today has a selfishness, a self-absorption, a mean-spiritedness, a lack of personal accountability, a lack of faith, a lack of optimism, an essential racist and xenophobic quality. While Raygun could be petulant and while he often refused to hold himself accountable for the mistakes of his administration, notably The Marine Massacre in Beirut and Iran-Contra, he at least showed guilt and remorse about them all. And, while Raygun fathered the modern American budget deficit, he at least espoused a fiscal responsibility lacking in American conservatism today. In attitude, demeanor and his optimistic outlook, Raygun is far closer to our current President than he is to Palin to to any modern conservatives with the possible exception of Noonan, Brooks, Will and a very few others. Yes, Ron is right on this.

Gasket said:
No it is not. This is the BIGGEST lie ever. A libertarian caucus would not be pushing some of the bills the GOP has done THIS week alone! Do you know how many GOPers voted to EXTEND the Patriot Act?

That not only pissed of libertarians, it pissed off the Tea Party as well.

This only proves my point that the Republican Party and modern conservatism are becoming increasingly and rapidly libertarian (libertarianism is essentially a euphemism for classical liberalism after all). Four years ago most Republican voters would wildly support extending the Patriot Act. Now they correctly see it as the unnecessary infringement on liberty that it is.

Gasket said:
How about those bills targeting abortion and abortion providers? Libertarian…NOT!

Many libertarians are against abortions, myself included.

Despite libertarians differences on abortion, we would all support going after For-Profit Planned Parenthood (founded by proud and avid racist Margaret Sanger, BTW) getting government money.

Gasket said:
Dude, you are right. Tony is in denial. Reagan with his RECORD would be called a RINO today. FACT. Blaming it on the Democratic congress is scapegoating. If he was as principled and dogmatic as they say he was, he would have VETOED all those bills.

He vetoed many of them, and they were all overridden.

By the way, thank you for being a perfect example of the radically Progressives that I was talking about who have complete and utter contempt for context.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Royal Dimwit, you just had 2 posts in a row telling me what I think. No wonder Olby Watch had to ban you for 10,000 harrassing posts. Get a life man. Oh wait, you already have 7 or 8,.

I’m sorry the truth about your hurts you so, Bitter Tormented Michelle in Utah, but I am merely trying to help you out, to make you a happy, intelligent and confident individual.

Royal Dimwit says:

Conservatism today has a lack of personal accountability

Dude, whichever personality said that should be grounded from commenting for a while. He/she is making you look even dumber than usual.

Tony Westover said:
Oh yay! I love when far left bigots such as yourself frame the Tea Party Movement the way you WANT it to be instead of how it actually is.

Neither is the Tea Party. They’re protectionists.

The Tea Party doesn’t have any issue with MUTUALLY reducing nuclear arms.

Revisionist history. Reagan received exactly zero indictments from Iran-Contra.

Revisionist history. Congress raised taxes, Reagan had little choice and Congress overrode all of his vetoes on tax increased..

Your one valid point. He raised the debt substantially with Star Wars. His increase in debt was more than sustainable.

We already went over how this was revisionist history…

So not only are you a reviser of history, you’re also completely incompetent when it comes to the powers of the federal government. The president nor Congress have the power to “roll back” Roe v. Wade. Only the Supreme Court and We the People can do anything about that.

He was a staunch conservative and nobody argues with that… well, no one with more than half a brain which would exclude you. There’s no point to even refute this because it’s so hilariously ridiculous.

How surprising, more revisionist history. Amnesty requires an act of Congress. The Simpson-Mazzoli Act granted amnesty to illegal immigrants, among other things.

Oh wow! More revisionist history, didn’t see that one coming! The VA was established in 1930. Reagan was 20 years old and wouldn’t be president for 50 years. The VA became a cabinet under George Bush, dumbass.

Your version of tea-party might exist somewhere around greater San fransisco area. You come down here in Texas with that list and call yourself tea-partier then you will have a lot of explaining to do.

Royal Dimwit says:

I’m sorry the truth about your hurts

Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar, can I get a citation here?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Royal Dimwit says:

I’m sorry the truth about your hurts

Royal Spelling and Grammar Czar, can I get a citation here?

Sure, each and every mean, foul, judgmental post you’ve ever made. In other words, all your posts.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Royal Dimwit says:

Conservatism today has a lack of personal accountability

Dude, whichever personality said that should be grounded from commenting for a while. He/she is making you look even dumber than usual.

Really? Would you like to detail W and Big Dick’s accountability? Palin’s? Gingrich’s? Vitter’s? Ensign’s?

Tony Westover said:
People don’t refer to his governance of California, they refer to his governance as president. It’s well known that Reagan was originally a Progressives earlier in life, and then he got some sense in his head and adopted a right-wing ideology.

Moral of the story is that Progressivism of the mind can be cured. There are plenty of other examples, my favorite being John Stossel.

As I said before in my earlier comment he was a RINO as president too. Right wing ways of thinking can be cured too. Ed Schultz, Arianna Huffington David Brock from Media Matters.

Here are examples of the learned, intelligent, thoughtful insights that posters have made about the relationship between a father and son:

the best part of Junior slid right down Dutch’s leg.

why are you even giving him the time of day? He is a raving left loony-toon as everyone knows.

Is he MENTAL or DERANGED? Truely SAD!

he was the child the family didnt want..

this punk kid probably had no relationship at all with his father. he dosen’t know jack about Reagan.

-

I’m sure Ron Jr. would wither if confronted with the personal insight and knowledge you have about Ronald Reagan and, especially, the relationship he had with his son. Like Ron Jr. or not, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Yoda002 said:
As I said before in my earlier comment he was a RINO as president too.

Which is completely unsubstantiated. Like I said, only someone with less than half a brain would call him a RINO president. His principles were undeniably conservative and even with a Democrat Congress he held back the massive growth of government. He didn’t hold back the growth of the debt, but like I said the debt was always well under the safe level under his administration.

Yoda002 said:
Right wing ways of thinking can be cured too. Ed Schultz, Arianna Huffington David Brock from Media Matters.

Arianna Huffington is an oil whore, she never was a conservative. You can keep Ed Schultz, who regularly calls for people to break the law, and David Brock, who has no life whatsoever.

nice_thought said:
Your version of tea-party might exist somewhere around greater San fransisco area. You come down here in Texas with that list and call yourself tea-partier then you will have a lot of explaining to do.

To repeat what I said earlier:

Oh yay! I love when far left bigots such as yourself frame the Tea Party Movement the way you WANT it to be instead of how it actually is.

Ron Reagan: My Father Had More More In Common With Obama Than Sarah Palin”

Son, you were estranged from RR and the rest of the family because you were and are a loser lib. You have more in common with a horse’s arse.

redleaf said:
I’m sure Ron Jr. would wither if confronted with the personal insight and knowledge you have about Ronald Reagan and, especially, the relationship he had with his son. Like Ron Jr. or not, what the hell is wrong with you people?

Look, it’s Ron Reagan’s family that’s explicitly calling him an embarrassment. If you’ve got a problem with people repeating the family’s feelings that Ron Reagan is an embarrassment, take it up with the Reagan family. Michael Reagan’s pretty clear about how the family perceives Reagan, Jr.

It’s not our fault that we’re just echoing the family’s believes on the black sheep.

Gasket said:
I love it how the Teabaggers go apoplectic when hit with facts about Reagan LOL Let’s go through some of them that are anathema to their movement.

1. Reagan was not hawkish. Not a war monger. HATED sending American troops to war zones unlike present day neocons. George Bush Sr, Clinton, George Bush Jr, Obama have all sent more troops to war than Reagan ever did. Don’t forget after the bombing of the marine barracks in Lebanon, Reagan folded and recalled the troops back home! If Obama did such a thing, he would be called a “spineless liberal” enabling our enemies.
2. START, INF etc. He accelerated the arms reduction between the US and the Soviets/Russia! Reagan was bat shit scared about a nuclear war. Obama was chided by the cons for renewing START just a couple months ago.
3. He illegally sold arms to Iran during an embargo. (Can you imagine if Obama did this today?) to barter for help in freeing hostages & also, funded guerillas in S. America. Let’s not forget his funding of the Mujahadeen (Osama fought for them) and Saddam regime.
4. He raised taxes…..SEVERAL TIMES as President.
5. Almost tripled the national debt in his 8 years in office. (partly to do with the insane spending on defense + tax cuts)
6. He funded entitlements (SS especially) with a tax hike. LOL!
7. He never did anything as POTUS to roll back Roe v. Wade. Signed a law allowing abortion in CA. BTW, the SOCONS hated him because he wasn’t an activist on this front as potus!
8. Not an ideologue like the present day teabaggers. Appointed a moderate to the US Supreme Court (Sandra Day O’Connor). Such a vote today would get any GOP’er kicked off a primary!
9. Granted amnesty to illegals. Double LOL!
10. Established the VA. (That is a substantial growth of the federal government!)

I may have forgotten a thing or two but feel free baggers to challenge any of it.

1. Grenada. And, “we begin bombing at midnight”. He got the Iran affair over before his inauguration ended.

2. Reduced Nukes, unilaterally and increased SDI. Scared the USSR sh!tless, and into bankruptcy.

3. Colluded with ISRAEL (imagine that) to sell arms: Israel would ship weapons to a relatively moderate, politically influential group of Iranians, and then the U.S. would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by the Lebanese Shia Islamist group Hezbollah, who in turn were connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. Imagine that: working to overthrow Hezbollah??? Hey, don’t we STILL want to do that??? The Mujahadeen were fighting Soviet Russia in Afghanistan. Hmmm. USSR friend or foe??? Saddam, the lesser of two evils at the time, but what has history taught you, Gasket???

Reagan funneled money to the Contras, again to stop the communist funded Sandinistas in our back yard. Right, wrong? He thought it was right, and we have no communists from Russia in our back yard today.

0bama getting arms to Iran today??? Look into GE and back door dealing with Iran. Immelt is now in his White House.

4. Soon after taking office in 1981, Reagan signed into law one of the largest tax cuts in the postwar period.

That legislation — phased in over three years — pushed through a 23% across-the-board cut of individual income tax rates. It also called for tax brackets, the standard deduction and personal exemptions to be adjusted for inflation starting in 1984. That would reduce “bracket creep” since the high inflation of the 1970s and early 1980s meant incomes rose very fast, pushing taxpayers into ever higher brackets even though the real value of their income hadn’t changed.

The 1981 bill also made certain business deductions more generous.

In 1986, Reagan lowered individual income tax rates again, this time in landmark tax reform legislation.

As a result of the 1981 and 1986 bills, the top income tax rate was slashed from 70% to 28%.

Despite the aggressive tax cutting, Reagan couldn’t ignore the budget deficit, which was burgeoning.

Well, you just might have to raise them a little if you cut them too much to begin with, huh, Gasket???

He also loved our military and military personnel. 0bama and liberals generally despise them. Kerry thought only idiots, rapists and baby killers joined, remember??? It used to be a privilege to serve, now it is a “right” that even gays enjoy.

6. He was interested in privatizing it like Bush, but with a minority in the house and senate, well, just how much can one president do??? Reagan’s speech before Congress-a call for 100% support of his Program for Economic Recovery-was interrupted by 14 bursts of applause and three standing ovations. 63 Democrats subsequently joined the solid Republican minority. Speaker Tip O’Neill [concluded] “the will of the people is to go along with the President.”

[After its passage], the Administration, overconfident, tried to restructure Social Security-which was clearly spending itself into bankruptcy-and discovered within days that “the will of the people“ did not extend so far as to mandate cutting the benefits of retirees.

Keynesian economic theory, codified by the social engineers of the 60s and 70s, called for high, progressive tax rates, manipulative government spending, and welfare-state ”entitlements“ centering around Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid. Reaganomics questioned the wisdom of all these tenets, with the exception of Social Security, by now clearly too much of an article of American faith even to be debated.

Contrast that with the brilliant 0bama, who had majorities in both houses with SUPER majority in the senate, and STILL could not get anything done. AND had the audacity to call republicans the party of NO???

7. Not much you can do with solid house majorities working against you. He was not afraid to state how he felt about abortion, unlike someone who’s pay grade is not high enough, and deems fetuses 0/5ths human.

8. The gay, Kagen and the Empathetic Latina, Sotomayor, are not ideologues??? That is your best line, by the way! His nomination, Robert Bork was pilloried under interrogation by the coward Teddy Kennedy and the hapless Joe Biden. To this day to be “borked” is what happens to conservative nominees. And he put Scalia on the bench, or did you forget that?

9. He regretted granting amnesty for the rest of his life because how he was betrayed by the coward Kennedy, who turned it into a fiasco of open borders ever since.

10. And he loved the military ,and believed that they deserved the best care they could get from a bloated government. It is not his fault how it is run, but that is how government runs everything. Liberals spit on veterans and some cowards have even tossed their fake medals over the WH fence in protest Reagan tried to show them better treatment.

Revisionist, exclusionary history is a bitch, huh, Gasket? He accomplished all this with your democrats in majorities. And 0bama pi$$ed away two years with majorities and still blamed the republicans. What a joke.

Teabagging Tony said:

Why even argue with you when you call everything “revisionist” and blame congress instead to abdicate the failures of the sitting president for policies enacted under his watch? I can call you a “rvisionist” as well for whitewashing your hero. Isn’t it you same morons blaming Obama for everything congress passes? You are wrong on all all those rebuttals too. My mistake on #10. I shouldn’t have said the VA was established under his watch. Mea culpa. I wanted to demonstrate that the size of government grew substantially under his watch with the military expansion which plunged the country into deeper debt. Not sure why I put VA there. Mind fart. Correction duly noted. Never said Reagan would personally overturn Roe either as potus. I must have underestimated your stupidity. I basically meant he never pursued a policy to undermine it as potus. He did run on a platform to amend the constitution to get rid of Roe IIRC to court the SOCONS. Now, f*ck off.

Reagan Jr is right.

Tony Westover said:
Which is completely unsubstantiated. Like I said, only someone with less than half a brain would call him a RINO president. His principles were undeniably conservative and even with a Democrat Congress he held back the massive growth of government. He didn’t hold back the growth of the debt, but like I said the debt was always well under the safe level under his administration.

You righties have such a short term memory. He increased taxes numerous times on the middle class and the lower class. He inflated the debt by 2 trillion. He cut and run in lebanon. For todays righties, I’m so sorry your hero would be considered a RINO and so would Nixon, and Ike.

ndanielson said:
2. START, INF etc. He accelerated the arms reduction between the US and the Soviets/Russia! Reagan was bat shit scared about a nuclear war. Obama was chided by the cons for renewing START just a couple months ago.

He worked to get START rammed through under a lame duck congress. Why is that, Gasket???

He is allowing an arms reduction at a time when Russia is going bankrupt trying to maintain their deteriorating nuclear arsenal. You might say HE BAILED THEM OUT. You wouldn’t but I would.

ndanielson,

You skipped #5. Just FYI.

Yoda002 said:
You righties have such a short term memory.

And you’re ignorant of how our federal republican functions. As proof by:

Yoda002 said:
He increased taxes numerous times on the middle class and the lower class.

The president does not have the power to raise taxes, only the House of Representatives does. You know that whole “taxation without representation” thing did get reflected in our Constitution when all was said and done.

Reagan vetoed many tax bills, and signed several because he knew vetoes were coming.

Yoda002 said:
He inflated the debt by 2 trillion.

Which no one denies. It’s a blemish on his record; it was for defense purposes but the amount spent was unnecessary. And despite that debate, the debt he created was perfectly sustainable.

Yoda002 said:
For todays righties, I’m so sorry your hero would be considered a RINO and so would Nixon, and Ike.

Nixon WAS a RINO even in his time. And it’s hilarious that you’d call the president who coined the term “military industrial complex” a RINO. Ike was a budget hawk.

Tony Westover said:
Look, it’s Ron Reagan’s family that’s explicitly calling him an embarrassment. If you’ve got a problem with people repeating the family’s feelings that Ron Reagan is an embarrassment, take it up with the Reagan family. Michael Reagan’s pretty clear about how the family perceives Reagan, Jr.

It’s not our fault that we’re just echoing the family’s believes on the black sheep.

Do you always echo things you hear from strangers?
Oh that’s right, you watch Fox News.

ndanielson said:
1. Grenada. And, “we begin bombing at midnight”. He got the Iran affair over before his inauguration ended.

Doesn’t refute my point. The Grenada deal was NOTHING of the scale of the wars undertaken by the following 3 potus. Yawn.

2. Reduced Nukes, unilaterally and increased SDI. Scared the USSR sh!tless, and into bankruptcy.

So what are you arguing against? He reduced nukes and was not a belligerent hawk instigating wars. Met SEVERAL times with the communists to de-escalate tensions. Yawn.

3. Colluded with ISRAEL (imagine that) to sell arms: Israel would ship weapons to a relatively moderate, politically influential group of Iranians, and then the U.S. would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by the Lebanese Shia Islamist group Hezbollah, who in turn were connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. Imagine that: working to overthrow Hezbollah??? Hey, don’t we STILL want to do that??? The Mujahadeen were fighting Soviet Russia in Afghanistan. Hmmm. USSR friend or foe??? Saddam, the lesser of two evils at the time, but what has history taught you, Gasket???

I already know he was a criminal and let his juniors fall on the sword for their criminal ways. So, yes, he nurtured the Taliban seed and armed like, I don’t know, one of the worst tyrants of the 20th century. Yawn.

Reagan funneled money to the Contras, again to stop the communist funded Sandinistas in our back yard. Right, wrong? He thought it was right, and we have no communists from Russia in our back yard today.

Criminal.

0bama getting arms to Iran today??? Look into GE and back door dealing with Iran. Immelt is now in his White House.

I didn’t know Obama was CEO of GE. Yawn.

4. Soon after taking office in 1981, Reagan signed into law one of the largest tax cuts in the postwar period.

Yawn. http://www.frumforum.com/bartlett-dont-forget-about-reagans-tax-increases

That legislation — phased in over three years — pushed through a 23% across-the-board cut of individual income tax rates. It also called for tax brackets, the standard deduction and personal exemptions to be adjusted for inflation starting in 1984. That would reduce “bracket creep” since the high inflation of the 1970s and early 1980s meant incomes rose very fast, pushing taxpayers into ever higher brackets even though the real value of their income hadn’t changed.http://www.frumforum.com/bartlett-dont-forget-about-reagans-tax-increases

Don’t forget the tripling of the national debt part and the destruction of the low-middle class.

The 1981 bill also made certain business deductions more generous.

In 1986, Reagan lowered individual income tax rates again, this time in landmark tax reform legislation.

As a result of the 1981 and 1986 bills, the top income tax rate was slashed from 70% to 28%.

Despite the aggressive tax cutting, Reagan couldn’t ignore the budget deficit, which was burgeoning.

Yawn.

Well, you just might have to raise them a little if you cut them too much to begin with, huh, Gasket???

He also loved our military and military personnel. 0bama and liberals generally despise them. Kerry thought only idiots, rapists and baby killers joined, remember??? It used to be a privilege to serve, now it is a “right” that even gays enjoy.

LOL. Are you batshit insane? How did this tangentially tie into gays?

6. He was interested in privatizing it like Bush, but with a minority in the house and senate, well, just how much can one president do???

LOL. Excuses.

[After its passage], the Administration, overconfident, tried to restructure Social Security-which was clearly spending itself into bankruptcy-and discovered within days that “the will of the people“ did not extend so far as to mandate cutting the benefits of retirees.

Keynesian economic theory, codified by the social engineers of the 60s and 70s, called for high, progressive tax rates, manipulative government spending, and welfare-state ”entitlements“ centering around Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid. Reaganomics questioned the wisdom of all these tenets, with the exception of Social Security, by now clearly too much of an article of American faith even to be debated.

Contrast that with the brilliant 0bama, who had majorities in both houses with SUPER majority in the senate, and STILL could not get anything done. AND had the audacity to call republicans the party of NO???

7. Not much you can do with solid house majorities working against you. He was not afraid to state how he felt about abortion, unlike someone who’s pay grade is not high enough, and deems fetuses 0/5ths human.

8. The gay, Kagen and the Empathetic Latina, Sotomayor, are not ideologues??? That is your best line, by the way! His nomination, Robert Bork was pilloried under interrogation by the coward Teddy Kennedy and the hapless Joe Biden. To this day to be “borked” is what happens to conservative nominees. And he put Scalia on the bench, or did you forget that?

9. He regretted granting amnesty for the rest of his life because how he was betrayed by the coward Kennedy, who turned it into a fiasco of open borders ever since.

10. And he loved the military ,and believed that they deserved the best care they could get from a bloated government. It is not his fault how it is run, but that is how government runs everything. Liberals spit on veterans and some cowards have even tossed their fake medals over the WH fence in protest Reagan tried to show them better treatment.

Revisionist, exclusionary history is a bitch, huh, Gasket? He accomplished all this with your democrats in majorities. And 0bama pi$$ed away two years with majorities and still blamed the republicans. What a joke.

Jesus. F*cking. Christ. You ramble a lot and I don’t have the time to finish your novel. Break it down with concise and quick rebuttals like Teabagging Tony and I will finish reading the rest of your screed.

Ronald Reagan was an honorable man who wasn’t full of crap like Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin faked her Trig pregnancy, just listen to the masseuse who Todd was having an affair with, who happened to massage Sarah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXSgbwHjSm8

A very twisted woman is she, whose name is Sarah Palin.

im_lovin_it said:
ndanielson,

You skipped #5. Just FYI.

5. He increased Military spending that eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Money well spent, if you ask anyone. His tax cuts also led to the biggest expansion in R&D spending by businesses in American history and led to the internet bubble that BJ Clinton rode to a surplus that he did NOTHING to create!

Thanks, for the catch!

ndanielson said:
He worked to get START rammed through under a lame duck congress. Why is that, Gasket???

He is allowing an arms reduction at a time when Russia is going bankrupt trying to maintain their deteriorating nuclear arsenal. You might say HE BAILED THEM OUT. You wouldn’t but I would.

I know you Teabaggers love the RAMMING phrase, but the darn treaty was there for everyone to read and debate for MONTHS since early summer. Your do-nothing, obfuscating, cantankerous, obstructionist Republicans in the Senate just don’t like working. They prefer to warm their fat bottoms in the chamber instead.

stoogedudes said:
I’m sure that’s not true. I respect Pres. Reagan, even if I disagree with him on many issues, and from what I’ve seen of the man, he seemed like a good, decent person who would not be so shallow as to hate his son because he’s a liberal. Disappointed? Sure, but not hate.

I believe it’s Maureen.

Maureen was his elder daughter. They were both very conservative, although I believe Maureen was for for Equal Rights. Patty is the one who was on the outs. (sounded like standard mother daughter friction)
Maureen Conservative
Michael Very Conservative
Patty rebel as a young girl but realized she was used by many people to embarrass her folks I suspect moderate liberal now.
Ron (not a junior) liberal nut-case excellent argument for 93rd trimester abortion

ndanielson said:
5. He increased Military spending that eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Money well spent, if you ask anyone. His tax cuts also led to the biggest expansion in R&D spending by businesses in American history and led to the internet bubble that BJ Clinton rode to a surplus that he did NOTHING to create!

Thanks, for the catch!

By the way, 0bama’s ridiculous START ratification bailed out the Russians, so their military spending is into new weaponry instead of upkeep, more than anything else, and that does not make the world a safer place.

Gasket said:
I know you Teabaggers love the RAMMING phrase, but the darn treaty was there for everyone to read and debate for MONTHS since early summer. Your do-nothing, obfuscating, cantankerous, obstructionist Republicans in the Senate just don’t like working. They prefer to warm their fat bottoms in the chamber instead.

HE RATIFIED IT IN A LAME DUCK SESSION. CLOWN.

ndanielson said:
5. He increased Military spending that eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Money well spent, if you ask anyone. His tax cuts also led to the biggest expansion in R&D spending by businesses in American history and led to the internet bubble that BJ Clinton rode to a surplus that he did NOTHING to create!

Thanks, for the catch!

Hey, Clinton’s administration produced more jobs than Ronnie without his BS “tax cuts.”. Also don’t forget the insane military spending and tax cuts by Ronnie led to his nice tripling of the national debt.

Reagan was an AVERAGE potus, and this is being VERY kind from a lefty.

Tootles.

Tootles.

Gasket said:
Why even argue with you when you call everything “revisionist” and blame congress instead to abdicate the failures of the sitting president for policies enacted under his watch?

Because a.) you did revise history, and b.) your ignorance of the powers of the president is your burden, not mine.

Gasket said:
I can call you a “rvisionist” as well for whitewashing your hero.

My “heroes” are Milton Friedman, John Locke, and Adam Smith. They’re not actually heroes, they’re just smart men.

I just actually understand how our government functions, something you lack. And I accurately reflect history, which is something your despise because you have an agenda that has contempt for the truth.

Gasket said:
Isn’t it you same morons blaming Obama for everything congress passes?

The Tea Party is blaming equally Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. Apparently you’re only listening to the attacks on your hero Obama.

Gasket said:
You are wrong on all all those rebuttals too.

Oh really? So Reagan didn’t run up the national debt like I said? Thanks for correcting me on that, genius. I didn’t know that Reagan didn’t run up the debt.

Gasket said:
I wanted to demonstrate that the size of government grew substantially under his watch with the military expansion which plunged the country into deeper debt.

The powers of government were abated, and that’s what’s most important and that’s why conservatives revere Ronald Reagan so much.

Gasket said:
Never said Reagan would personally overturn Roe either as potus.

Yes you did. Sorry, dumbass, but the internet is written in ink, not pencil. You, me, and everyone else can go back and see that. Again, your ignorance of the powers of the president is your burden, not mine.

Gasket said:
Now, f*ck off.

Sucks when your hateful agenda is exposed for its lies, huh. After that, the only way you can express your hate is with a hearty F-bomb… and continue to spew your debunked lies.

ndanielson said:
HE RATIFIED IT IN A LAME DUCK SESSION. CLOWN.

Because the GOP refused to bring it up for debate earlier, CLOWN! Do you know how the US Senate works? It’s not the PTA meeting you chair in your neck of the woods. Cheers.

redleaf said:
Do you always echo things you hear from strangers?
Oh that’s right, you watch Fox News.

Do you always ignore context? Oh, that’s right you watch MSNBC.

Someone whining that we don’t know what the Reagan Family thinks of Ronny Jr. Sorry, suckers, but we do. They hate him, which isn’t all that surprising since he’s made a pathetic career off of personally attacking his father. If he were a woman he’d be flashing cameras on Girls Gone Wild.

I know why you yawn so much, gasket. What little brain you do have is asleep. So where did you cut and paste all your failed talking points? The little yellow book of liberal talking points?

You don’t have the brain power to come up with all those old tired talking points on your own do you? Yawn is a rebuttal?

Revisionist history is nothing new, but the internet, sure makes your job harder, huh? It is not just cut and paste anymore, yes, Gasket???

Here’s what i have to say; who are we to tell a son who and what his father was or wasn’t?

Tony Westover said:
Because a.) you did revise history, and b.) your ignorance of the powers of the president is your burden, not mine.

My “heroes” are Milton Friedman, John Locke, and Adam Smith. They’re not actually heroes, they’re just smart men.

I just actually understand how our government functions, something you lack. And I accurately reflect history, which is something your despise because you have an agenda that has contempt for the truth.

The Tea Party is blaming equally Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. Apparently you’re only listening to the attacks on your hero Obama.

Oh really? So Reagan didn’t run up the national debt like I said? Thanks for correcting me on that, genius. I didn’t know that Reagan didn’t run up the debt.

The powers of government were abated, and that’s what’s most important and that’s why conservatives revere Ronald Reagan so much.

Yes you did. Sorry, dumbass, but the internet is written in ink, not pencil. You, me, and everyone else can go back and see that. Again, your ignorance of the powers of the president is your burden, not mine.

Sucks when your hateful agenda is exposed for its lies, huh. After that, the only way you can express your hate is with a hearty F-bomb… and continue to spew your debunked lies.

Tony, I do know the powers of the POTUS. Ok? It’s not my problem you misunderstood my statement. I made ONE mistake in my post. The last one about the VA. The rest is YOUR revisionism. By the way, Obama is not “my” hero. People like Mandela and Mother Theresa are heroes to me. I didn’t even vote for O, although I am a supporter and will defend MOST of his policies and unfair smears on his character. Please don’t accuse me for having an agenda. Grab a mirror.

Gasket said:
Because the GOP refused to bring it up for debate earlier, CLOWN! Do you know how the US Senate works? It’s not the PTA meeting you chair in your neck of the woods. Cheers.

And he gave the Russians a bail out. “Pleasing your enemies does not turn them into friends.” That exemplifies the stark difference in how 0bama thinks about our enemies and a real leader like Reagan, or Palin thinks about our enemies. The first thing that 0bama can’t even do is recognize enemies as enemies. Americans are 0bama’s enemies, because they have the Constitution to remind him of his enumerated powers.

ndanielson said:
I know why you yawn so much, gasket. What little brain you do have is asleep. So where did you cut and paste all your failed talking points? The little yellow book of liberal talking points?

You don’t have the brain power to come up with all those old tired talking points on your own do you? Yawn is a rebuttal?

Revisionist history is nothing new, but the internet, sure makes your job harder, huh? It is not just cut and paste anymore, yes, Gasket???

I have enough brain power to know that you are a rambling and disturbed old man. So angry and bitter knowing your non-existence will be a net positive to the world.

Gasket said:
Tony, I do know the powers of the POTUS. Ok?

No, you clearly don’t and I thoroughly proved that. I also don’t think you really care what the powers of the president are because your own interests are an agenda of hate and smearing. If you actually cared, you’d read the Constitution for a change and educate yourself instead of making a fool of yourself.

C’mon, it’s not THAT long.

Gasket said:
I didn’t even vote for O, although I am a supporter and will defend MOST of his policies and unfair smears on his character. Please don’t accuse me for having an agenda. Grab a mirror.

You mentioned Obama first.

Like I said, the internet’s not in pencil, it’s in ink. We can all go back and see your lies.

To sum up Reagan’s legacy and BJ Clintons legacy (excluding the impeachment, suborning, and adultery, that is) very nicely so that even Gasket can understand:

5. He increased Military spending that eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Money well spent, if you ask anyone. His tax cuts also led to the biggest expansion in R&D spending by businesses in American history and led to the internet bubble that BJ Clinton rode to a surplus that he did NOTHING to create!

ndanielson,

If I could throw in a quick comment. Without getting to drawn into this debate. You said,

“The gay, Kagen and the Empathetic Latina, Sotomayor, are not ideologues???”

As far as Kagen is concerned, there is absolutely no proof anywhere that she is gay. Maybe she really is, but that’s just a rumor at this point. The more important point here is your phrasing seems to dismiss her impartiality simply because she’s gay. You seem to imply that she’s gay so she is an ideologue and is not fit to serve on the Supreme Court. Is that how you feel? If there is another reason you feel she’s unfit you should say it. Just leaving it at “gay Kagen” is opening yourself up to attack.

Conservatives, with Tea Party types in particular, often get upset about the left calling them names like racist, xenophobic, intolerant, ignorant, and homophobic. When you just throw a comment out there like that you are providing an example that feeds into that stereotype.

Just something to think about.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Here’s what i have to say; who are we to tell a son who and what his father was or wasn’t?

Haha, seriously!

Gasket said:
I have enough brain power to know that you are a rambling and disturbed old man. So angry and bitter knowing your non-existence will be a net positive to the world.

Yawn is a rebuttal!!!??? Who knew? We already know about the personal attacks, they are par for the course, but you elevate debate to new lows. Cut a paste sucks when you get called, huh, cupcake?

NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW: Sarah Palin Denied Pregnancy Says Woman Who Claims To Have Had Affair With Todd PalinNEW AUDIO INTERVIEW: Sarah Palin Denied Pregnancy Says Woman Who Claims To Have Had Affair With Todd Palin

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/02/new-audio-interview-sarah-palin-denied-pregnancy-says-woman-who-claims-have-had

ndanielson said:
Yawn is a rebuttal!!!??? Who knew? We already know about the personal attacks, they are par for the course, but you elevate debate to new lows. Cut a paste sucks when you get called, huh, cupcake?

By the way Gasket, the reasonable lib, his favorite rebuttal is: “that’s irrelevant”. Have you tried that one too?

meena140 said:
NEW AUDIO INTERVIEW: Sarah Palin Denied Pregnancy Says Woman Who Claims To Have Had Affair With Todd PalinNEW AUDIO INTERVIEW: Sarah Palin Denied Pregnancy Says Woman Who Claims To Have Had Affair With Todd Palin

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/02/new-audio-interview-sarah-palin-denied-pregnancy-says-woman-who-claims-have-had

And you clowns call us birthers???

ndanielson said:
5. He increased Military spending that eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Money well spent, if you ask anyone.

The Soviet Union’s trajectory was pretty much set in place before Reagan. The Soviets blew billions on a space race they lost — and they lacked a free market to exploit the spoils of their space race efforts. They were also way behind in the nukes count. Personally, (and from a Monday Morning Quarterback perspective) I don’t think a weapons defense system on the scale of Star Wars was necessary.

Just imagine if we’d put that money back in the supply side of the economy! We would’ve had another roaring 20′s.

ndanielson said:
His tax cuts also led to the biggest expansion in R&D spending by businesses in American history and led to the internet bubble that BJ Clinton rode to a surplus that he did NOTHING to create!

Reagan did fight for these tax cuts, but he wouldn’t take credit for the fruits of our own labor — government was the problem, not the solution. Vicariously, you can’t blame the tech bubble on Clinton. It was the market’s fault. The market isn’t perfect, but it always corrects itself when the government keeps its nose out of our business and it correct itself quickly.

And Clinton didn’t create a surplus, he raided the Social Security trust (basically trading public debt for intragovernmental debt… it’s still debt either way). The national debt increased every single year during the Clinton administration.

Tony, I said that Reagan’s cuts in business taxes lead to one of the greatest expansions in R&D in American history. This led to the boom in businesses, particularly the internet bubble, which BJ rode, but did not contribute to.

This assclown would probably be a nobody barista in a Starbucks wannabe dive somewhere in Seattle if it weren’t for his father.
He should STFU and stop soiling his father’s name, especially now during the 100 year celebrations.

The folks at ABC’s webcast Top Line set him up from the beginning of their interview yesterday, leading off with the question of whether his father was more like Barack Obama or Sarah Palin.

Gee, no liberal agenda there!

ndanielson said:
To sum up Reagan’s legacy and BJ Clintons legacy (excluding the impeachment, suborning, and adultery, that is) very nicely so that even Gasket can understand:

5. He increased Military spending that eventually led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Money well spent, if you ask anyone. His tax cuts also led to the biggest expansion in R&D spending by businesses in American history and led to the internet bubble that BJ Clinton rode to a surplus that he did NOTHING to create!

Clinton created MORE jobs dummy. Please, refute that.

ndanielson said:
Yawn is a rebuttal!!!??? Who knew? We already know about the personal attacks, they are par for the course, but you elevate debate to new lows. Cut a paste sucks when you get called, huh, cupcake?

Yawn.

Tony Westover said:
No, you clearly don’t and I thoroughly proved that. I also don’t think you really care what the powers of the president are because your own interests are an agenda of hate and smearing.

Even though I think you are an asshat, I don’t hate you or anyone on this board. That’s too strong a word hombre. Don’t confuse my snark for hate. Really. I don’t even know you. I absolutely enjoy getting the rise out of you wingnuts however and it sure as hell works all the time. You people smear us lefties all the time here. No need to cry when it’s done back.

If you actually cared, you’d read the Constitution for a change and educate yourself instead of making a fool of yourself.

Yawn. I’d rather listen to Michelle Bachman’s interpretation of it.

Like I said, the internet’s not in pencil, it’s in ink. We can all go back and see your lies.

Please do. Your revisionism is also there for all to see. I never said Reagan would overturn RoevWade. That was your word (which has a very different emotive meaning) and not mine. I said ‘roll back’ which Reagan could have done with the help of congress by amending the Constitution if he wanted to or just undermine it with federal laws. He was just pandering for socon votes like every other politician however. Typical, not extra-ordinary. Tootles.

ndanielson said:
Yawn is a rebuttal!!!??? Who knew? We already know about the personal attacks, they are par for the course, but you elevate debate to new lows. Cut a paste sucks when you get called, huh, cupcake?

I don’t do cut and paste……ever! I quote it and I link to the source if they are not my thoughts. ndanielson accusing someone else of ad hominem….hahahaha! You should try some stand up.

ndanielson said:
Tony, I said that Reagan’s cuts in business taxes lead to one of the greatest expansions in R&D in American history. This led to the boom in businesses, particularly the internet bubble, which BJ rode, but did not contribute to.

You’re right, my fault. I inferred the bubble pop under Clinton when you never mentioned it.

Gasket said:
Even though I think you are an asshat, I don’t hate you or anyone on this board. That’s too strong a word hombre. Don’t confuse my snark for hate. Really. I don’t even know you. I absolutely enjoy getting the rise out of you wingnuts however and it sure as hell works all the time. You people smear us lefties all the time here. No need to cry when it’s done back.

I never said you hated me, even though you called me a “Teabagger” and I’m not a member of the movement. You do clearly, openly, and proudly hate Tea Partiers, however. Being called out on this and calling it “being snarky” is cowardly and unconvincing. Your actions speak for themselves.

Gasket said:
Yawn. I’d rather listen to Michelle Bachman’s interpretation of it.

Or… you could just read the damn thing, which you clearly haven’t.

Gasket said:
Please do. Your revisionism is also there for all to see. I never said Reagan would overturn RoevWade.

No, you said that he never did, implying that he had the power to do so. You clearly thought that he did have this power because you’re ignorant of the powers of the president.

Gasket said:
I said ‘roll back’ which Reagan could have done with the help of congress by amending the Constitution if he wanted to or just undermine it with federal laws.

Hey, don’t fall on your ass while you’re backpeddling!

And once again you prove your ignorance of our Constitution. The president and the Congress do not have the power to amend the Constitution. Only we the people posses that power, having consent to be governed by the Constitution it is our right and only our right to change it.

Do you enjoy shooting yourself in the foot? Because you do it frequently :-)

Just got back from the 100th celebration in Simi Valley. Ron Jr. was there to hawk his book. Of course his mother was escorted by a military escort and not her own son. He was ignored by everyone including the Beach Boys. That guy has no shame. He and his sister were always knows as rotten kids who didn’t give a crap about their parents. Guy doesn’t have a job so trying to destroy his Dad’s legacy may bring in a few bucks from the hateful left.

Gasket said:
Clinton created MORE jobs dummy. Please, refute that.

I do. He didn’t. Yawn.

Tony Westover said:
I never said you hated me, even though you called me a “Teabagger” and I’m not a member of the movement. You do clearly, openly, and proudly hate Tea Partiers, however. Being called out on this and calling it “being snarky” is cowardly and unconvincing. Your actions speak for themselves.

You didn’t infer that I hate people? LOL. You did sir. You also called me a bigot. I am not “hating” Teabaggers(TM) by calling them a name they referred to themselves. Get outta here. I’m simply mocking them.

No, you said that he never did, implying that he had the power to do so. You clearly thought that he did have this power because you’re ignorant of the powers of the president.

Hey, don’t fall on your ass while you’re backpeddling!

And once again you prove your ignorance of our Constitution. The president and the Congress do not have the power to amend the Constitution. Only we the people posses that power, having consent to be governed by the Constitution it is our right and only our right to change it.

You are right in the case of completely getting rid of Roe. Only the USSC can do it. Amending the Constitution would never practically happen. However, congress (with potus setting agenda) can pass a federal law outlawing abortion outright so it can be challenged and end up in the USSC again. This is what anti-choicers want anyway. Congress also doesn’t need to outright ban abortion, but they can pass many mini-laws to undermine Roe or make abortions harder to get. This is the activist position they were seeking from Reagan. Strawman the argument all you want but this is what the pro-life movement was looking for from Ronnie and he never delivered. You are right, congress by itself or potus can not overturn Roe via legislation but they sure can undermine it. You can attack my phrasing all you want but the larger point remains. He was not an activist anti-choicer.

ndanielson said:
I do. He didn’t. Yawn.

I would LOVE to believe you but you need to try a little harder here in the persuasion department by providing me data from a reliable source or you will get more *YAWN*s from me. :)

Gasket said:
I would LOVE to believe you but you need to try a little harder here in the persuasion department by providing me data from a reliable source or you will get more *YAWN*s from me. :)

You prove nothing. Clinton job creation off of Reagan’s Tax cuts to businesses for R&D? Those would be Reagan’s jobs. Where are your Clinton stats? There are none. Now you tire me, even.

Gasket said:
I would LOVE to believe you but you need to try a little harder here in the persuasion department by providing me data from a reliable source or you will get more *YAWN*s from me. :)

You assume the position of Tea bagee every time you yawn. You know that don’t you?

Ron Reagan is dead on accurate – his father wouldn’t piss on Dick Armey or a Kochsucker if they were on fire.

Bill Adkins said:
Ron Reagan is dead on accurate – his father wouldn’t piss on Dick Armey or a Kochsucker if they were on fire.

Is Koch the new boogey man of the left, or something for tea bagees to yawn on? Or both?

Gasket said:
I don’t do cut and paste……ever! I quote it and I link to the source if they are not my thoughts. ndanielson accusing someone else of ad hominem….hahahaha! You should try some stand up.

Stand up while you kneel and “yawn”? I don’t swing that way, but garth might.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Here’s what i have to say; who are we to tell a son who and what his father was or wasn’t?

Good point. Michael sure knew his dad quite well, and we all appreciate his setting the record straight.

His father had more in common with a toothpick than the half-term nit-wit.

ndanielson said:
You prove nothing. Clinton job creation off of Reagan’s Tax cuts to businesses for R&D? Those would be Reagan’s jobs. Where are your Clinton stats? There are none. Now you tire me, even.

YAWN.

ndanielson said:
Stand up while you kneel and “yawn”? I don’t swing that way, but garth might.

Wasn’t it you accusing me of invective? Not only are you a liar, you are a disgusting hypocrite.

By the way, what happened to your sheep fascination? Did you finally check into a mental institution so they could “correct” that aberrant psychosis? I will respond to you next post when you get me that data showing Reagan’s jobs exceeding that of Clinton. Until then, have a nice day Teabagger(TM).

Davo said:
Good point. Michael sure knew his dad quite well, and we all appreciate his setting the record straight.

Michael Reagan – he and Palin score high on the Moronmeter.

Ron Jr. …This dink is almost as accomplished as the wise Meghan McCain .

Gasket said:
ndanielson said:
You prove nothing. Clinton job creation off of Reagan’s Tax cuts to businesses for R&D? Those would be Reagan’s jobs. Where are your Clinton stats? There are none. Now you tire me, even.

Yeah – Reagan’s jobs — those would be the ones that didn’t exist during the George HW Bush “It’s the Economy, Stupid” Administration. Recession – it’s a Bush thang

Look at all the Clowns honk their horns in defense of Palin!!!

Truly laughable!!! HAHA!

Poor Ron Ron…’nough said.

Bill Adkins said:
Yeah – Reagan’s jobs — those would be the ones that didn’t exist during the George HW Bush “It’s the Economy, Stupid” Administration. Recession – it’s a Bush thang

BTW – let me make this perfectly clear (sound like Nixon). I voted for Reagan – twice. I’d do that by God again in the same circumstance. But don’t blow your smoke up my ass about how effing perfect he was. He was the right man at the tie, but in my estimation as a Reagan Democrat he wouldn’t give the Tealiban a nickel’s worth of consideration because those phucks merit no phucking consideration

time, not tie

Bill Adkins said:
Michael Reagan – he and Palin score high on the Moronmeter.

Moronmeter??? Aren’t those the red thumbs down scores that you and your sheep clowns get so many of? Your moron meter is always way higher than most non-sheep. I guess that means most times it is pretty accurate.

I care as much about Ron Reagan’s interpretation of his father’s legacy as I care for Danny Glover’s take on Haiti. Either has little in common with or knowledge of the other, but sometimes it makes for entertaining television to hear what they have to say on the topic.

ndanielson said:
Moronmeter??? Aren’t those the red thumbs down scores that you and your sheep clowns get so many of? Your moron meter is always way higher than most non-sheep. I guess that means most times it is pretty accurate.

the moronmeter gets its name from you.

In 2008 Michael Reagan heard a speech, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and said it resurrected my Dad’s indomitable spirit and sent it soaring above the convention center, shooting shock waves through the cynical media’s assigned spaces and electrifying the huge audience with the kind of inspiring rhetoric we haven’t heard since my Dad left the scene. This was Ronald Reagan at his best — the same Ronald Reagan who made the address known now solely as “The Speech,” which during the Goldwater campaign set the tone and the agenda for the rebirth of the traditional conservative movement that later sent him to the White House for eight years and revived the moribund GOP.
Sorry Ron, You just want somebody to listen to you and you know the left is always there. You are well past the point in your life where knowing what your dad did and said will never be brought down by your slings an arrows of frustration thrown at your father. Man up get a life and stop trying to justify your lack achievement in the shadow of a great man and be your own man.

Group Hug said:
In 2008 Michael Reagan heard a speech, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and said it resurrected my Dad’s indomitable spirit and sent it soaring above the convention center, shooting shock waves through the cynical media’s assigned spaces and electrifying the huge audience with the kind of inspiring rhetoric we haven’t heard since my Dad left the scene. This was Ronald Reagan at his best — the same Ronald Reagan who made the address known now solely as “The Speech,” which during the Goldwater campaign set the tone and the agenda for the rebirth of the traditional conservative movement that later sent him to the White House for eight years and revived the moribund GOP.Sorry Ron, You just want somebody to listen to you and you know the left is always there. You are well past the point in your life where knowing what your dad did and said will never be brought down by your slings an arrows of frustration thrown at your father. Man up get a life and stop trying to justify your lack achievement in the shadow of a great man and be your own man.

Ronald Reagan is shamed by his son Michael; Ronald Reagan is humiliated by his association with the a$$hole from Alaska; Ronald Reagan would have nothing to do with the impotent Tealiban; Ronald Reagan was my president – Sarah Palin is no Ronald Reagan unless Ronald Reagan had a chancre on his a$$

Ron Reagan, Fat Meghan McCain, Rachael Madcow and Bill Adkins enjoy lesbian sex with each other. 4 girls rolling around in rancid butter is not what I care to see. They need to outlaw stuff like that, especially when BillieJean Adkins is wearing a speedo that proves he is a she.

Bill Adkins said:
the moronmeter gets its name from you.

But it gets it’s high scores from you.

ndanielson said:
Moronmeter??? Aren’t those the red thumbs down scores that you and your sheep clowns get so many of? Your moron meter is always way higher than most non-sheep. I guess that means most times it is pretty accurate.

Bill Adkins said:
the moronmeter gets its name from you.

Hey, your moronmeter scores are going through the roof.

LOL@ the comment writers in here.

You guys take this SO SERIOUSLY

MORONMETERS!?!??!

This argument has degenerated into this? MORONMETER COUNT!?!?!

LOLOLOLOL
You idiots are funnier than the politicians!!

I LOVE MEDIATE

YOU GUYS KEEP ME IN LOLS 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His father is a “fetish and a rubber bustier..” says Ron.? There is a thinly veiled perversion that seems to be a part of homosexual consciousness. It would be difficult I believe for a heterosexual son to even imagine the use of that kind of terminology in describing a fathers legasy or others attachment to him. It is path-o-logi-cal. Ron is obviously an intelligent guy who’s perspective holds the weight of first hand knowledge but the crippling moral consiquence of his lifestyle not only clouds his credibility but illustrates why responsible principles of order would isolate him as a threat, (threat of embarrassment at least.) Ron to His fathers legasy is as Army Spc. Bradley Manning is to the security of our nation. They both have wanton predilection to do as much harm as possible and they do it without conscious. Ron does do dog shows well, I must say.

“Republicans regard Reagan as a messianic”

Wait. What?

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=77539

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

Obama and Reagan both are against Obamacare. That’s how alike they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iShCXx_xZDQ

zumpano said:
LOL@ the comment writers in here. You guys take this SO SERIOUSLY MORONMETERS!?!??! This argument has degenerated into this? MORONMETER COUNT!?!?! LOLOLOLOLYou idiots are funnier than the politicians!! I LOVE MEDIATE YOU GUYS KEEP ME IN LOLS 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Throw a broken crayon to a right winger and the right winger will color a book – in one color and with no ability to stay inside the lines

WHarropson said:
His father is a “fetish and a rubber bustier..” says Ron.? There is a thinly veiled perversion that seems to be a part of homosexual consciousness. It would be difficult I believe for a heterosexual son to even imagine the use of that kind of terminology in describing a fathers legasy or others attachment to him. It is path-o-logi-cal. Ron is obviously an intelligent guy who’s perspective holds the weight of first hand knowledge but the crippling moral consiquence of his lifestyle not only clouds his credibility but illustrates why responsible principles of order would isolate him as a threat, (threat of embarrassment at least.) Ron to His fathers legasy is as Army Spc. Bradley Manning is to the security of our nation. They both have wanton predilection to do as much harm as possible and they do it without conscious. Ron does do dog shows well, I must say.

Ahh the stereotypes abound. Ron Reagan has been married to the same woman since 1980.

mibwilso said:
Ahh the stereotypes abound. Ron Reagan has been married to the same woman since 1980.

Are you saying he’s not gay? I stand corrected.

Ron Reagan jr is more like Obama than his father.

As for Sarah Palin, Ron jr is just as clueless as the rest of the lefties.

But when Reagan got alzheimers disease he had alot more in common with Palin.