Here we go.

DIMS will love hearing how warm and fuzzy Mulims are. After all they rushed out as soon after 9/11 as possible to find a Muslim to put in the Senate and a President with strong Muslim ties. DIMS just don’t think well.

As usual, Bill O doesn’t know what he’s talking about and neither does terrorist sympathizer Peter “Creepy Eyebrows” King. Check the facts loofah! Be sure to read this because it’s news and fox doesn’t do news.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/09/king-muslims-plots-terrorists/

roxsteady said:
As usual, Bill O doesn’t know what he’s talking about and neither does terrorist sympathizer Peter “Creepy Eyebrows” King. Check the facts loofah! Be sure to read this because it’s news and fox doesn’t do news.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/09/king-muslims-plots-terrorists/

This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read.

Think Progress use data from…..wait for it……………. Muslim Public Affairs Council !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you have no sense of critical thinking?

Would you read an internal study on Fox: are we fair and balanced or not? I don’t think so.

Use your head.

turk281 said:
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read.

I guess you don’t read your own posts, do ya squirt?

turk281 said:
Use your head.

Not a chance

Did Ellison talk about Melvin Bledsoe?

His story illustrates why this hearing was important.

This was a good interview.

The ONE BIG THING I noticed was that Congressman Ellison does not appear to want ALL the truth about what is or isn’t going on in American mosques to be revealed.
He wants the FBI or Att. Gen. to testify, as do I. However, they have reason to MINIMIZE any improper conduct. The people who are testifying first should complete their testimony & answers first. Then, if we need our government to come in and probably lie (minimize) about what’s maybe really happening, they should go in phase II.

ohwell said:
I guess you don’t read your own posts, do ya squirt?

Nice come back. Read the Data. Read what they consider acts of terrorism.

This Orwellian doublespeak is mind blowing. Just change the definition if you don’t like the end result.

At least Obama got us out a war. Yeah, it’s now the Overseas Contingency Operation.

No more terrorism either, they’re Man Caused Disasters.

Only dimwits, cretins, racists and mysogynists believe “They all look alike”.
The same applies to Davo and others who believe, “They all act alike”.
We “Found a Muslim” to put in the Senate?
We picked a President with “Strong Muslim ties”?
DAVO–WHO IN HELL IS THE MUSLIM SENATOR?
Explain the “Strong Muslim ties” between a man who met his father for a few days when he was ten, but was brought up by Christians in Hawaii.
Methinks thou don’t think so well thyself.
Better lay off whatever that is you’re smoking in your avatar.
The idea that all 1.5 Billion Muslims think alike would be laughable
If it weren’t complete b#llsh#t.
Take that to Clint and cry on his shoulder.

Here’s a really simple bottom line for you. If you know the history of Nidal Hasan, and you think that it’s somehow out of line for the Homeland Security Committee to be discussing the radicalization of American Muslims, then you are an absolute idiot. QED.

Oh, and why on God’s green Earth do good people in Texas keep sending the psychopathic Sheila Jackson Lee to Washington? Surely y’all have a garbageman or a sewer worker who could do a more respectable job with more grace than this narcissistic moron.

turk281 said:
This Orwellian doublespeak is mind blowing. Just change the definition if you don’t like the end result.

They’ve been raping the language for decades.

I don’t know why we don’t just take anybody who thinks radical muslims aren’t a threat and drop them off by parachute in the sunni triangle. Problem solved.

Joseph Glackin said:
Only dimwits, cretins, racists and mysogynists believe “They all look alike”.
The same applies to Davo and others who believe, “They all act alike”.

Who said “all”, Joesph? Did you listen to Zuhdi Jasser’s testimony? Would you like to argue with him instead of the strawman you’ve constructed?

Hmmmmm

It seems nro has some truth and fact that.Ellison apparently didn’t know (ciugh cough)

Hannity reported on those facts too

Perhaps we will get an update to this article with those fact

Time will tell

Hmmmmmmm

The idea that all 1.5 Billion Muslims think alike would be laughable
If it weren’t complete b#llsh#t.
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Nobody said that and you know it so why did you even say it?

Arkansas Steve said:
The ONE BIG THING I noticed was that Congressman Ellison does not appear to want ALL the truth about what is or isn’t going on in American mosques to be revealed.

Think the fact that Minnesota has a large Somalian Muslim population and many of them are traveling back and forth to Somalia where they are participating in jihad might having something to do with that?

OxyCon said:
Think the fact that Minnesota has a large Somalian Muslim population and many of them are traveling back and forth to Somalia where they are participating in jihad might having something to do with that?

Those are his peeps.

Oooopsie. Looks like Ellison was making shit up, which would explain why his blubbering this morning looked so fake and contrived.
Taqqiya baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The belief that Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a victim of anti-Muslim bigotry was never based in reality. It was manufactured by the Left as a rhetorical prop, exploited as a bludgeon against people who want to talk seriously about terrorism. If Hamdani was singled out for his faith, it would appear he was singled out for especially high honors. Most 9/11 victims were not half so celebrated as he was. Rather than suffering from apocryphal American anti-Muslim bigotry, Salman Hamdani appears to have benefited from America’s eager inclusiveness.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261903/rep-keith-ellison-s-bigotry-matthew-shaffer

okay, children, here we go:
For poor Pablo:
DAVO, your hero, said, “They rushed out to find a Muslim to put in the Senate and a President with strong Muslim ties,” Those were his words. No distinction, just “a Muslim”. That’s a one size fits all description.
ROP– Find another way to interpret Davo. Are you going to try to decide what the definition of “is” is?

Here’s the truth about Ellisons sob story:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261903/rep-keith-ellison-s-bigotry-matthew-shaffer?page=1

Pablo said:
Here’s a really simple bottom line for you. If you know the history of Nidal Hasan, and you think that it’s somehow out of line for the Homeland Security Committee to be discussing the radicalization of American Muslims, then you are an absolute idiot. QED.

Oh, and you can double that for Anwar al-Awlaki, whose death warrant Barack Obama has already signed. For those of you wondering if I think that Obama has ever done anything right, he nailed that one.

The idea that all 1.5 Billion Muslims think alike would be laughable

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Quote, glacko. Post it or stfu.

Joseph, “a” is two l’s short of “all.” Try again.

Joseph Glackin said:
DAVO, your hero, said,

Davo, I’ve got a question for you. For the record, I didn’t either.

Joseph Glackin said:
The idea that all 1.5 Billion Muslims think alike would be laughable

Hey…what’s the word “Islam” mean in Arabic?

OxyCon said:
Hey…what’s the word “Islam” mean in Arabic?

Oh, I know! It means “peace, dude!”

OxyCon said:
Think the fact that Minnesota has a large Somalian Muslim population and many of them are traveling back and forth to Somalia where they are participating in jihad might having something to do with that?

The hallmark of the Islamophobic right; throwing around jihad with NO IDEA what it means.

OxyCon said:
Hey…what’s the word “Islam” mean in Arabic?

submission to god

Religion of Peace said:
Oh, I know! It means “peace, dude!”

“Submission”, actually. But what does “Iran” mean in English?

Pablo said:
“Submission”, actually. But what does “Iran” mean in English?

Glacko tucked tail and skedaddled.

Pablo said:
“Submission”, actually.

I guess that means 1.5 billion Muslims think alike =)

But what does “Iran” mean in English?

It means: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUjIA3Rt7gk

Pablo,bet you spent fifth grade English peaking up the teacher’s dress. “a” is an indefinite article. As such, it is inclusive. It means “one”or “any one of “. Your hero Davo said, “find a Muslim” he was being generic. The language has meaning. If you don’t know it, don’t play with it.
AS for you, RoP, your name is a great oxymoron, but you’re only half the syllables.

Pablo, glacko doesn’t want to hear anything we have to say he would rather keep his pointy head poked deep in the river of denial. Sad but true.

Jeffeeeeeeee!

Stop playing with yourself and your little internet commando’s fears.

AS for you, RoP, your name is a great oxymoron
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Are you dissing the muzzies?

I’d love to hear you two children make some sense, or answer my questions. There’s a first time for everything.
You don’t know your native tongue. You couldn’t win a battle of wits with a lamppost. If you have anything substantive to say, bring it. I DON’T want to hear a couple of sixth-graders Boasting about the size of their “egos” and bragging they made me “tuck tail and run”.
So, come back with something substantive, or go back to the playground.

Joseph Glackin said:
Pablo,bet you spent fifth grade English peaking up the teacher’s dress.

My fifth grade English teacher was Sister Leonora. I get chills thinking about it.

“a” is an indefinite article. As such, it is inclusive. It means “one”or “any one of “.

Uh, no. English fail. Progressive fail. Unhand my language, you brute!

Joseph Glackin said:
So, come back with something substantive, or go back to the playground.

Joseph Glackin said:
Pablo,bet you spent fifth grade English peaking up the teacher’s dress.

Nice job, Joseph.

You couldn’t win a battle of wits with a lamppost.[sic]

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Are you saying you’re dumber than a “lamppost?” Rhetorical question, of course. ;)

How come ellison doesn’t wear his little hat in public?

Davo said:
DIMS will love hearing how warm and fuzzy Mulims are. After all they rushed out as soon after 9/11 as possible to find a Muslim to put in the Senate and a President with strong Muslim ties. DIMS just don’t think well.

Bush?
Ellison is a Rep not Seantor.

OK, so let me get this straight, this bozo mother frakin congressman does not know who Frank Gafflney is? Really?
I can only assume that he is the stupidest fraker in Congress (which is saying a lot considering the losers that keep showing up) or he is a lying sack of excrement. Me, I am betting that he is the latter.

Sounds like he came from the Obama school of denial. What 300,000 thousand people outside my door, what’s a tea party, never heard of them.

You know, I really hate hypocrisy and this congressman has it plastered all over him like honey.

Box of Rox says:

Be sure to read this because it’s news and fox doesn’t do news.

And you don’t do logic or sanity.

Was Rep. Ellison’s Tearful Testimony Entirely True?

During his early morning testimony Thursday, Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn., recited the tragic story of 23-year-old Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a brave first responder and New York City Police cadet who rushed to aid his fellow countrymen as the Twin Towers burned on September 11, 2001. Breaking into tears, Ellison decried “some people”’ who “tried to smear [Hamdani's] character solely because of his Islamic faith.”

Some people spread false rumors and speculated that he was in league with the attackers only because he was Muslim. It was only when his remains were identified that these lies were fully exposed. Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a fellow American who gave his life for other Americans. His life should not be defined as a member of an ethnic group or a member of a religion, but as an American who gave everything for his fellow citizens.

Ellison is right: Hamdani died a hero and should be remembered as such. But in using Hamdani‘s story to make a statement condemning Thursday’s hearings on Muslim radicalization, National Review’s Matthew Shaffer points out how Ellison only viewed him as a political prop.

While Ellison expressed disgust over “rumors” about Hamdani being associated with terrorists following 9/11, these are the facts:

Web pages that do source the claim that Hamndani was “widely accused” of being a terrorist typically trace back to a single report from the New York Post, dated Oct. 12, 2001, and titled “Missing — or Hiding? Mystery of NYPD Cadet from Pakistan.” The piece has been taken offline, but its content is preserved elsewhere. Here’s what the New York Post wrote:

His family distributed missing-person fliers in the fear that the 23-year-old, who is trained as an emergency medical technician, went instead to the World Trade Center to help and was killed.

But investigators for the FBI and NYPD have since questioned the family about which Internet chat rooms he visited and if he was political.

Hamdani, a graduate of Queens College with a biochemistry degree, had been in the NYPD cadet program for three years. He became “inactive” because he needed to work full time, his mother said.

Police sources said he hadn’t been to work at the NYPD since April, but he still carried official identification.

One source told the Post: “That tells me they’re not looking for this guy at the bottom of the rubble. The thing that bothers me is, if he is up to some tricks, he can walk past anybody [using the ID card].”

Hamdani’s mother, who has been in the United States for two decades, denied her son was political or a religious fundamentalist. Cops at the Midtown Tunnel reported spotting someone who looked like Hamdani yesterday morning.

So the Post reported 1) that Hamdani’s family believed he died in the WTC attacks, 2) that the FBI asked Hamdani’s mother a few background questions after a mistaken sighting, and 3) that an unnamed source felt such questioning implied guilt. No doubt, that was hard on the grieving mother. But frankly, this — a mistaken sighting, and very preliminary investigations of many people, most of whom turn out to be innocent — is the kind of thing that inevitably happens after a major terrorist attack.

Contrary to Ellison’s account of bigoted Islamophobic hatred, a grateful nation honored Hamdani for his courageous spirit and unwavering patriotism. Just six weeks after the 9/11 attacks, he was singled out by the United States Congress and President George W. Bush as a hero memorialized in the text of the USA Patriot Act:

Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.

Additionally, as Shaffer notes, Hamdani “was eulogized by the New York Times, had scholarship funds named after him, was honored by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly (both of whom went barefoot to honor Muslim practice) at his funeral, and has been celebrated over and over again by the media.”

“If Hamdani was singled out for his faith, it would appear he was singled out for especially high honors,” Shaffer concludes. “Rather than suffering from apocryphal American anti-Muslim bigotry, Salman Hamdani appears to have benefited from America’s eager inclusiveness.

“Americans have long seen Mohammed Salman Hamdani as a hero. Too bad Representative Ellison saw him only as a prop.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-truth-behind-rep-ellisons-tearful-testimony/

Was Rep. Ellison’s Tearful Testimony Entirely True?

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Croc tears.

National Review Online: Rep. Keith Ellison’s Bigotry
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261903/rep-keith-ellison-s-bigotry-matthew-shaffer

Pablo said:
Sheila Jackson Lee

a.k.a. “Ropehead.”

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Just wondering: After seeing Ellison’s crocodile tears, will the Democrats still make fun of Speaker Boehner?
Will Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert devote segments of their shows to mock Keith Ellison? Will MSNBC hacks giggle as they giggled over Boehner?

There is an erroneous perception Muslims become terrorist because of trigger moments i.e. Radical Cleric(s) come riding into town, or intense whispering in Prison cubicles, etc

If this were the case we non-Muslims would all be aware of neighbors and distant relatives suddenly turning into terrorists.

This simply does not occur for the reason we have not already textually constructed other as evil via the text we base our beliefs on.

The reason for the terror is instruction from birth. This is the trigger which lends itself to the opportunity for terrorism when it arises.

To simply say all of a sudden a perfectly normal good Muslim boy turned to terror without the foundation already in place to accept such diabolical notions is absurd.

Plato thousands of years ago gave humanity some good advice for harmonious societies delete text purported to be from Gods which informs evil action.

Everyone of us base our lives on less than perfect text. To target one without the other is rather hypocritical.

It should be about all text which vilifies other Religious or Secular not persons.

The fact is Muslims are already radicalized the reason being from the Islamic texts Quran foundation chapter “THE COW” onwards vilification of and justification of ‘grevious harm’ against other is the main theme.

This is why terrorists are good boys and girls coming from good Muslim families. It is that simple.

The radical Muslim clerics are not triggering anything they are simply providing the opportunity. The trigger has already been created by the basic Islamic text which forms all Muslims.

The fact all Muslims do not act on it is irrelevant for as we see enough Muslims do from generation to generation to perpetuate the terror against other.

If you read the Quran – Chapter “THE COW” which sets up the framework by which the Islamic text will be challenged, vilifies the perpetrators, sets them as less and then informs the remedy ‘grevious harm’ with the ultimate authority God authorizing all within, given this is an old recipe for genocide against other and the terror we clearly are experiencing would it not be rational to be rightfully concerned?

Also more importantly as we are all formed by textual constructs such as the Islamic text, there may just exist evil text informing evil action and we should seek it out be it secular or religious so we can change the future for humanity?

Change the text forming our new citizen’s change the outcomes otherwise more of the same.

This means not just looking at Islamic text but other texts within our communities which are used to form new citizens and accept the fact finally ‘Freedom of Religion’ has been a curse on society because we are not able to easily challenge such Religious text which generates real evil against other without being erroneously labeled and censured.

Not all Tea Partiers are bigots, but all bigots are Tea Partiers!

WHERE WAS BLEDSOE’S VIDEO, MEDIATE?????????????????????????????????????????

I will now UNSUBSCRIBE because I did not see a correct UNBIASED coverage by your organization!

Joseph Glackin said:
okay, children, here we go:For poor Pablo:DAVO, your hero, said, “They rushed out to find a Muslim to put in the Senate and a President with strong Muslim ties,” Those were his words. No distinction, just “a Muslim”. That’s a one size fits all description.ROP– Find another way to interpret Davo. Are you going to try to decide what the definition of “is” is?

“A” Muslim is a one size fits all? You really look stupid on this one.

Joseph Glackin said:
Pablo,bet you spent fifth grade English peaking up the teacher’s dress. “a” is an indefinite article. As such, it is inclusive. It means “one”or “any one of “. Your hero Davo said, “find a Muslim” he was being generic. The language has meaning. If you don’t know it, don’t play with it.AS for you, RoP, your name is a great oxymoron, but you’re only half the syllables.

You conveniently left out part of the meaning,

–indefinite article
1. not any particular or certain one of a class or group: a man; a chemical; a house.

Turns out Ellison is a great actor and can pour on the crocodile tears when needed.

Any empathy anyone had when Ellison gave his testimony has been lost after this interview with O’Reilly.

To O’Reilly – Thanks for bringing this guy on and showing us what a great actor he really is….

Give Ellison an Oscar
What a performance!!!!

http://newsbusters.org/node/14103

He has no credibility.

I watched Ellison on MSDNC this am, what a dope. Yes, let’s embrace the community, that’s just how they took down the KKK.

orielly says elison should want someone to make ridiculous so they could then not be able to back it up and then it would be discredited.
that would be like me saying that oreilly says it is ok to rape girls but only petite girls who dress provocatively.
oh wait, i guess he kind of did say that.

*ridiculous statements

Penguin60 said:
http://newsbusters.org/node/14103

He has no credibility.

I watched Ellison on MSDNC this am, what a dope. Yes, let’s embrace the community, that’s just how they took down the KKK.

being that the kkk consists of all white people, we could bring your clown ass to ask questions about it.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
we could bring your clown ass

Quite the astute remark Einstein. You libs are very interested in anatomy. You ought to take a class.

CBC Congressman: KKK bigger threat than Muslims

Congressman Al Green, Texas Democrat, found himself in a heated debate with Republican members on the Homeland Security Committee on Thursday over whether or not the Ku Klux Klan should be considered a terrorist organization. Rep. Peter King, New York Republican and chairman of the committee said, “There is no equivalency of threat between al Qaeda and Neo-Nazis, environmental extremists, and other isolated madmen.” Peter King continued, “Indeed, by the Justice Department’s own record, not one terror-related case in the last two years involved neo-Nazis, environmental extremists, or anti-war groups.”

KP: It’s been reported that of all the 126 terror indictments all of have been Muslim. Do you think that should be considered in this particular hearing?

REP. Al GREEN:I think that all criminals should be prosecuted. I think that all terrorists should be investigated which is why I said we ought to investigate all of them and that would include the KKK. Over a hundred years of terrorism why not investigate them too. They are rooted in a religion as well. Check their website out. You’ll see.

KP: Congressman King said they haven’t caused as many problems and…

REP. GREEN:Well ask the men who have been castrated whether they caused a problem. Ask the men who were lynched whether they caused a problem.

KP:When did that happen recently, sir?

REP. GREEN: Does it have to happen recently, and they are still existing for us to investigate them?

If you never had to live with a cross burning, you don’t appreciate what a cross burning can do in terms of terrorizing people. My suspicion is, based on what you’re saying to me, that I should say to you, I hope you won’t defend the KKK.

KP: I don’t have any plans to, sir.

REP. GREEN: I hope you won’t defend the KKK.

KP: But I’m just…

REP. GREEN: I hope you won’t defend the KKK.

REP. GREEN: I hope you won’t defend the KKK.

KP: But I’m just curious…

REP. GREEN: I hope you are not going to defend the KKK.

KP: Of course not, sir.

REP. GREEN: Be as curious as you like, but do not defend the KKK.

KP: Of Course not sir. But are they still causing terror right now?

REP. GREEN: Do not defend the KKK.

REP. GREEN: Do not defend the KKK.

REP. GREEN: You’re newspaper is going to defend the KKK tomorrow, I see.

KP: Um no…but sir…

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/mar/10/audio-cbc-congressman-twt-terror-hearing-your-pape/

Yukon Jack said:

Just wondering: After seeing Ellison’s crocodile tears, will the Democrats still make fun of Speaker Boehner?

i was wondering the same thing. being democrat hypocrits, count on it.

As soon as we find the KKK we should investigate them some more. Does anybody know where they went?

TrollJuice said:
Not all Tea Partiers are bigots, but all bigots are Tea Partiers!

Eric Holder is NOT a Tea Partier.

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2011/03/lee_baca_testimony_at_peter_kings_muslim_hearings.html Here’s the testimony of LA County Sheriff Lee Baca

“The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department has long been a leader in the development of relationships with the various ethnic, cultural and religious communities that thrive in the Los Angeles area. Nowhere is that relationship more positive than that which exists between my agency and the American Muslim Community”
” I would caution that to comment only on the extent of radicalization in the American Muslim Community may be viewed as singling out a particular section of our nation. This makes a false assumption that any particular religion or group is more prone to radicalization than others. According to the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), utilizing information provided by respected organizations such as the Congressional Research Service, the Heritage Foundation, and Southern Poverty Law Center, there have been 77 total terror plots by domestic, non-Muslim perpetrators since 9/11. In comparison, there have been 41 total plots by both domestic and international Muslim perpetrators during the same period.”

Interesting isn’t it? More domestic terror plots by non Muslim groups. You’d think in Peter King’s position he’d already have that information. He’s putting on a political show at the tax payers expense.

Liberal Tormentor said:
KP: It’s been reported that of all the 126 terror indictments all of have been Muslim. Do you think that should be considered in this particular hearing?

By whom?

I just posted Lee Baca’s testimony that there have been more Non Muslim plots of domestic terrorism than those with Radical Islam. One of the complaints has been that if you’re going to throw out statistics, maybe you ought to find out if they are valid and from a credible source.
I’m saying I know who’s correct. Just that it’s pretty important to know where these stats come from before you start spouting off in public.
That’s been the complaint about King as well.

Penguin60 said:
http://newsbusters.org/node/14103

He has no credibility.

I watched Ellison on MSDNC this am, what a dope. Yes, let’s embrace the community, that’s just how they took down the KKK.

So, the Muslim American community is like the KKK?

Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Dan, I posted the link. Plot and indictments are two differenct things, no?

Radical Islam, has been thriving in America since the 1930′s. An excerpt from their platform sheds some light: ”

Written lessons from 1930–1934 were passed from W. Fard Muhammad to his student, Elijah Muhammad. These were collected and entitled The Supreme Wisdom. The Nation of Islam continues to teach its followers that the present world society is segmented into three distinct categories. They teach that from a general perspective, 85% of the population are the “deaf, dumb and blind” masses of the people who “are easily led in the wrong direction and hard to lead in the right direction”. These 85% of the masses who are said to be manipulated by 10% of the people. Those 10% rich “slave-makers” are said to manipulate the 85% masses of the people through ignorance, the skillful use of religious doctrine and the mass media.

The third group is referred to as the 5% “poor righteous teachers” of the people of the world, who know the truth of the manipulation of the 85% masses of the people by the 10%. The 5% “righteous teachers” are at constant struggle and war with 10% to reach and “free the minds” of the masses of the people.”

While they are not a major threat to national security, they are what they are. In the event of civil unrest, Louie Farrakhan, has his minions programmed in classic Taliban fashion. They are conditioned to hate white people, and fanatically follow his decrees. talk about enslaving and manipulating minds…this lad (Farrakhan) is a master. Now let’s add the infiltration of the drug cartels into American mainsteam, their underlings, numerous gangs, a prison population out of control and Homeland Security, becomes an empty equation. America, is just another world power headed for an inevitable downfall. We are complacent and tolerant to the highest and most gullible degree, and beholden to whatever our media maggots put on our plates. Political correctness, is our achilles’ heel, and avarice will be our death knell. It would be a shame, to see such a fine world, brought down by power slugs whose insatiable appetites know no limits. But…there is hope! Given the latest natural calamity in Japan, Nature may have the last say. She is obviously well versed on how to collect her share of the spoils…minus the ego and posturing.

It would be ludicrous to use the worn out phrase “Wake Up America”. The once sleeping giant, in now comatose. Kudos to one bibical quote that makes a lot of sense today…”As you sow so shall you reap.”
Starbucks, never tasted so bad.

Penguin60 said:
http://newsbusters.org/node/14103

He has no credibility.

I watched Ellison on MSDNC this am, what a dope. Yes, let’s embrace the community, that’s just how they took down the KKK.

YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT : The Ku Klux Klan is a racist, anti-Semitic movement with a commitment to extreme violence to achieve its goals of racial segregation and white supremacy. Of all the types of right-wing hate groups that exist in the United States, the Klan remains the one with the greatest number of national and local organizations around the country.

More than 40 different Klan groups exist, many having multiple chapters, or “klaverns,” including a few that boast a presence in a large number of states. There are over a hundred different Klan chapters around the country, with a combined strength of members and associates that may total around 5,000.

After a period of relative quiet, Ku Klux Klan activity has spiked noticeably upwards in 2006, as Klan groups have attempted to exploit fears in America over gay marriage, perceived “assaults” on Christianity, crime and especially immigration.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Was Rep. Ellison’s Tearful Testimony Entirely True?

What parts weren’t true?

If the point is that there’s another way of looking at that story okay. Although Ellison got emotional the story was just offered as an example , and a cautionary tale about anti Muslim sentiment.

Can anyone provide a few links of Peter King praising Muslim Americans and acknowledging how much they”ve contributed as some of the people testifying have done.

For the most part Keith Ellison handed ate Bill O’ Reilly’s lunch, as it should be. The only issue I take with his interview was the way that he allowed O’ Reilly to frame the definition of ‘jihad.’

You could see that Kevin Ellison disagreed with him–and by the way, Mr. Ellison is one of the first people that I have every heard shut Bill O’ Reilly up by correcting him not once, but twice–though he probably let Bill O’ Reilly get away with it because the interview would have been bogged down by that particular point, and gotten nowhere.

Kudos to Mr. Ellison, who not only stood his ground but spanked Bill O’ Reilly IN HIS OWN HOUSE.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Don’t get your panties in a bunch, Dan, I posted the link. Plot and indictments are two differenct things, no?

Here’s something interesting from your link
“Attorney General Eric Holder has said that radicalization of Americans is something that keeps him awake at night. As he noted, 126 people have been indicted on terrorist-related charges in the past two years, including 50 U.S. citizens. The great majority of those charged are violent jihadists.”

which very quickly becomes ..ALL. This person still isn’t giving a specific source , so the details can be looked at. So, again, if someone is going to throw stats around, let’s see them with source so we can assess them correctly. Nothing wrong with a little accuracy is there?

CosmosDan said:
So, the Muslim American community is like the KKK?

Geez, I don’t think so. Did the communities that had Klan members just turn them in? Hell, they couldn’t get a murder conviction. How did the FBI infiltrate the Klan? How do they continue to monitor the Klan and other domestic terrorists. These idiots have been around for a long time and will continue, so how does our law enforcement deal with them?

Penguin60 said:
Geez, I don’t think so. Did the communities that had Klan members just turn them in? Hell, they couldn’t get a murder conviction. How did the FBI infiltrate the Klan? How do they continue to monitor the Klan and other domestic terrorists. These idiots have been around for a long time and will continue, so how does our law enforcement deal with them?

Evidently I missed whatever point you were trying to make. Moving on.

ProObamaAgenda said:
. Of all the types of right-wing hate groups that exist in the United States, the Klan remains the one with the greatest number of national and local organizations around the country.

someone posted this the other day. i honestly didn’t think there was this many. (well, this many that needed to be listed)
http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/w/page/4604207/Hate-Groups

CosmosDan said:
Evidently I missed whatever point you were trying to make. Moving on.

Didn’t think it was provocative, except the comment on Ellison. I wonder if the Muslim community are afraid for their safety to turn in the radical types. The ones that have been caught, has it been in the act or afterwards, or during a sting? How many were turned in by their community? It must be difficult to deal with family members and friends who believe that killing is somehow justified by religion, no matter what your background is.

What I can’t believe is that after he lied, why in the Sam hell are all you libbies here defending this assclown?

The guy he was lying about was a hero and he was recognized as such.

TrollJuice said:
Not all Tea Partiers are bigots, but all bigots are Tea Partiers!

Kind of like not all Democrats are morons, but all morons are Democrats.

Pablo said:
Oh, and why on God’s green Earth do good people in Texas keep sending the psychopathic Sheila Jackson Lee to Washington? Surely y’all have a garbageman or a sewer worker who could do a more respectable job with more grace than this narcissistic moron.

Shiela Jackson Lee says that Shiela Jackson Lee doesn’t like you talking about Sheila Jackson Lee like that.

Shiela Jackson Lee also wants to say that Shiela Jackson Lee doesn’t like pronouns.

Ellison is afraid of what Americans might learn. When someone wants to prevent you from hearing something, there’s a reason. If King’s the douche that the left is making him out to be, what’s the problem with just letting him dig his own grave?

ProObamaAgenda said:
The Ku Klux Klan is a racist, anti-Semitic movement with a commitment to extreme violence to achieve its goals of racial segregation and white supremacy. Of all the types of right-wing hate groups that exist in the United States, the Klan remains the one with the greatest number of national and local organizations around the country.

Nation of Islam is a bigger racist, anti-semitic movement. And it’s leader appears at public events with lots of Democrats, including Congressmen and your idol’s pastor of 20 years.

How’s the government cheese today, moocher?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
someone posted this the other day. i honestly didn’t think there was this many. (well, this many that needed to be listed)
http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/w/page/4604207/Hate-Groups

Man, I’m sure glad they got Catholic Family Ministries in there. Catholics are very scary. And hatey! I’ll bet the Real Royal Kook is a member.

I was waiting for Ellison to cry like a baby and make a fool out of himself like he did before Congress yesterday.

Hey Ellison, that first responder was killed by your peaceful Muslims.

Are moderate Republicans responsible for the actions of extremist Republicans?? Why don’t they speak out?

Mr.Papshmer said:
Ellison is afraid of what Americans might learn. When someone wants to prevent you from hearing something, there’s a reason. If King’s the douche that the left is making him out to be, what’s the problem with just letting him dig his own grave?

Why are you opposed to having a panel that looks into extremist activities across the board? Why focus only on Muslims? There are more than enough kooks out there to go around.

This is a political stunt by Peter King and we all know it.

If he was really concerned about extremist acts, he would look into EVERY possible source of extremism in this country, not just one group.

mibwilso says:

Why are you opposed to having a panel that looks into extremist activities across the board? Why focus only on Muslims?

Um, because nearly all terrorist attacks in the last decade have been in the name of extreme Islam. DUH!!

mibwilso said:
Why are you opposed to having a panel that looks into extremist activities across the board? Why focus only on Muslims? There are more than enough kooks out there to go around.

Why do you have a problem with focusing on one thing at a time, preferably the one that’s got a body count?

mibwilso said:
If he was really concerned about extremist acts, he would look into EVERY possible source of extremism in this country, not just one group.

Somebody needs to keep an eye on Bill Ayers.

Liberal Tormentor said:
mibwilso says:

Why are you opposed to having a panel that looks into extremist activities across the board? Why focus only on Muslims?

Um, because nearly all terrorist attacks in the last decade have been in the name of extreme Islam. DUH!!

Convient omission of the murder of George Tiller, the bombing of abortion clinics by Eric Rudolph and others (from the 90s)…..the attacks on SUV dealers by environmentalists?

It happens on both sides and is not limited to muslims, liberals, or conservatives.

Again, why not look into ALL possible sources?….Muslims would be included in that mix.

But it’s just silly to overlook other threats because people like Peter King are obsessed with Muslims.

And what about non-religious extremists?

Mbwilso, the fact that you libs refuse to admit the obvious is frightening, to say the least. Not to make light of Tiller and Rudolph , but come ON. We are talking of the death of thousands. If you seriously think that a few nuts on the right or the left killing in the name of a cause, is as threatening to us as radical Islam, you are either stupid or blind. You deal with the biggest threat!

Blaming all Muslims for terrorist acts is like blaming all Christians for abortion clinic bombings.

OR Should we hold ALL Christians responsible for the actions of Westboro Baptist Church??

notsofast said:
I was waiting for Ellison to cry like a baby and make a fool out of himself like he did before Congress yesterday.

Hey Ellison, that first responder was killed by your peaceful Muslims.

Always interesting to see buffoons like you share your buffoonery and bigotry with the rest of the world. Is making extremely stupid comments a hobby for you; you’ve become something of an expert in extraordinary density.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Mbwilso, the fact that you libs refuse to admit the obvious is frightening, to say the least. Not to make light of Tiller and Rudolph , but come ON. We are talking of the death of thousands. If you seriously think that a few nuts on the right or the left killing in the name of a cause, is as threatening to us as radical Islam, you are either stupid or blind. You deal with the biggest threat!

Terrorism has been a threat for a LONG time….and will continue to be. I never said “don’t investigate at all”.

What I said was “investigate all sources of extremist activity.” Period. But some of you insist on putting words in my mouth by acting like I don’t think we should investigate anything.

mibwilso said:
Why are you opposed to having a panel that looks into extremist activities across the board? Why focus only on Muslims? There are more than enough kooks out there to go around.

Pal, don’t ever put words in my mouth. You go run along and dig up the part where I said I was opposed having anyone look into anything that does harm to America or Americans. You can’t, little one, now stfu and go suckle your moms teet a little more. Moron.

mibwilso said:
Are moderate Republicans responsible for the actions of extremist Republicans?? Why don’t they speak out?

Let’s hear some examples, douchebag.

mibwilso says:
Blaming all Muslims for terrorist acts is like blaming all Christians for abortion clinic bombings.

OR Should we hold ALL Christians responsible for the actions of Westboro Baptist Church??

For someone who doesn’t like words put in your mouth, you sure do it alot! You’re making a fool out of yourself!

Mr.Papshmer said:
Let’s hear some examples, douchebag.

I’m speaking in general…I’ve already mentioned some examples in previous posts. You’re trying to distract away from actually answering my question.

Answer my question: Should we investigate all Christian churches if some Christian extremist does something crazy?

Liberal Tormentor said:
mibwilso says:
Blaming all Muslims for terrorist acts is like blaming all Christians for abortion clinic bombings.

OR Should we hold ALL Christians responsible for the actions of Westboro Baptist Church??

For someone who doesn’t like words put in your mouth, you sure do it alot! You’re making a fool out of yourself!

No putting words in anyone’s mouth. Peter King is the one calling for investigations into Muslim activities. And I’ve heard MANY conservative commentators DEMAND that moderate muslims speak out….and call for treating all mosques as suspect.

Should we investigate Billy Graham to see if he has connections to the assassination of Dr. Tiller?

Both he and Scott Roeder are practicing Christians…so it stands to reason that they believe the same things, right?

It’s a Muslim problem that should be solved by Muslims, but I don’t see many Muslims identifying those in their midst who have been radicalized.

X-3 said:
It’s a Muslim problem that should be solved by Muslims, but I don’t see many Muslims identifying those in their midst who have been radicalized.

Well, when conservative Christians start turning in people who make threats against abortion clinics, you let me know.

And even if Muslims report fanatical muslims to the authorities, Fox News wouldn’t cover it because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

mibwilso says:
Blaming all Muslims for terrorist acts is like blaming all Christians for abortion clinic bombings.

YES you are putting words in people’s mouth because no one is doing this that I’ve seen! They are investigating RADICAL Islam, not all Muslims. It appears to be you and your liberal buddies lumping them all together.

X-3 said:
It’s a Muslim problem that should be solved by Muslims, but I don’t see many Muslims identifying those in their midst who have been radicalized.

Again, you’re operating under the assumption that all Muslims are somehow complicit in the actions of a few.

If they belong to a normal, nonviolent Mosque, for example, how would they be able to turn in someone who’s part of an extremist group. You can’t report on people you don’t associate with.

Liberal Tormentor said:
mibwilso says:
Blaming all Muslims for terrorist acts is like blaming all Christians for abortion clinic bombings.

YES you are putting words in people’s mouth because no one is doing this that I’ve seen! They are investigating RADICAL Islam, not all Muslims. It appears to be you and your liberal buddies lumping them all together.

Well, Mr X-3 just said it was a “Muslim problem that should be solved by Muslims”…..that sounds a hell of a lot like lumping them together to me.

Liberal Tormentor said:
mibwilso says:
Blaming all Muslims for terrorist acts is like blaming all Christians for abortion clinic bombings.

YES you are putting words in people’s mouth because no one is doing this that I’ve seen! They are investigating RADICAL Islam, not all Muslims. It appears to be you and your liberal buddies lumping them all together.

Again, why not investigate radicalism in ALL forms?? Still no answer on that. King is focusing on Muslims to score political points.

mibwilso said:
Should we investigate all Christian churches if some Christian extremist does something crazy?

Let’s hear some examples of Christian extremism involving mass murder. Oh, and if you bring up abortion clinics, I’ll probably blow milk out my nose. Lone lunatics aren’t exactly in the same league as suicide bombers, there will always be crazy people. Big difference is, when some whack job does a clinic, the entire Christian world vehemently condemns it. When muslims blow crap up and kill a bunch of people while doing it, you’ll see muslims in the arab world and indonesia celebrate it, and American muslims for the most part are strangely mum.

You might think I’m a bigoted asshole, and I don’t really care. But if you take a good _honest_ look around the world, wherever you find muslims, you’re almost certain to find people who just can’t seem to get along with their neighbors.

If your neighbor who lives 2 houses down from you commits a crime, should you now be held responsible for that person’s actions? Should we investigate you for not turning him/her in (even if you didn’t know about it)?

Mr.Papshmer said:
Let’s hear some examples of Christian extremism involving mass murder. Oh, and if you bring up abortion clinics, I’ll probably blow milk out my nose. Lone lunatics aren’t exactly in the same league as suicide bombers, there will always be crazy people. Big difference is, when some whack job does a clinic, the entire Christian world vehemently condemns it. When muslims blow crap up and kill a bunch of people while doing it, you’ll see muslims in the arab world and indonesia celebrate it, and American muslims for the most part are strangely mum.

You might think I’m a bigoted asshole, and I don’t really care. But if you take a good _honest_ look around the world, wherever you find muslims, you’re almost certain to find people who just can’t seem to get along with their neighbors.

Sorry, not true. The silence from the right after those kinds of attacks is deafening. You see a few conservative pundits give standard cut-and-paste denouncements of violence…usually qualified. “I don’t believe in violence, but…”

mibwilso said:
Well, Mr X-3 just said it was a “Muslim problem that should be solved by Muslims”…..that sounds a hell of a lot like lumping them together to me.

Zuhdi Jasser: But we have to start understanding as a community that the only way to defeat this is to get back the moral courage of Islam, to declare that the Islamists are our enemies and that we are Americans first and Muslims second, because our faith will never be questioned between us and God personally. But what gives us our freedom to be Muslims is our country.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Let’s hear some examples of Christian extremism involving mass murder. Oh, and if you bring up abortion clinics, I’ll probably blow milk out my nose. Lone lunatics aren’t exactly in the same league as suicide bombers, there will always be crazy people. Big difference is, when some whack job does a clinic, the entire Christian world vehemently condemns it. When muslims blow crap up and kill a bunch of people while doing it, you’ll see muslims in the arab world and indonesia celebrate it, and American muslims for the most part are strangely mum.

You might think I’m a bigoted asshole, and I don’t really care. But if you take a good _honest_ look around the world, wherever you find muslims, you’re almost certain to find people who just can’t seem to get along with their neighbors.

I’m not citing a specific example because you’re not answering my question. My question is about the general topic, not about a specific event.

My question was, as a general rule, “Should we investigate all Christian churches if some Christian extremist does something crazy?”

Why can’t you just answer that.

These Congressional hearings are crucial because they allow me to hate an entire group of people without doing the hard work of considering them as individuals.
It takes too much time for me to meet a person, talk to them, size them up, then decide if they’re a real American.
It’s way easier to say, “oh, you’re a Muslim? Screw you, terrorist.”
So, in that sense, I thank Rep. King for his efforts.
He is a true American.

mibwilso said:
Sorry, not true. The silence from the right after those kinds of attacks is deafening.

You’re a liar.

mibwilso said:
Should we investigate all Christian churches if some Christian extremist does something crazy?

If there was evidence of widespread radicalization, yes. Otherwise, stfu. You’re a liar and a puppet. Congratulations. I’m sure your mom is very proud of the dishonest little douche you’ve become.

Everyone knows that this is McCarthyism all over again….it’s just about Muslims this time.

What an embarrassment for our country.

We need to stop extremist groups of ALL kinds….but to single out one group is simply un-American.

Mr.Papshmer said:
You’re a liar.

If there was evidence of widespread radicalization, yes. Otherwise, stfu. You’re a liar and a puppet. Congratulations. I’m sure your mom is very proud of the dishonest little douche you’ve become.

I see… you won’t/can’t answer my question, so now I’m a “liar” and a “douche”. Way to keep it classy.

mibwilso said:
Everyone knows that this is McCarthyism all over again

You don’t even remember McCarthy, liar. First, name one person that McCarthy named as a communist that wasn’t. Second, why do you even care? If King is just a despicable douche, why do you have a problem with him digging his own grave? Are the leftists trying to protect King from becoming the next McCarthy? Please…

mibwilso said:
you won’t/can’t answer my question

Mr.Papshmer said:
If there was evidence of widespread radicalization, yes.

I take it your comprehension skills are at a minimum, (or you just enjoy lying) so I reposted my answer, liar.

Mr.Papshmer said:
You don’t even remember McCarthy, liar. First, name one person that McCarthy named as a communist that wasn’t. Second, why do you even care? If King is just a despicable douche, why do you have a problem with him digging his own grave? Are the leftists trying to protect King from becoming the next McCarthy? Please…

He’s certainly capable of digging his own grave, but I don’t think it’s justified to sit back while somebody engages in government-sanctioned targeting of one specific group.

As I’ve said before, if you want to investigate ALL sources of extremism in the US, that’s different.

All Muslims must be stopped.
If you shine a light on a cockroach, they’ll scurry around until they’re stomped.
King is a great American.

mibwilso said:
Should we investigate Billy Graham to see if he has connections to the assassination of Dr. Tiller? Both he and Scott Roeder are practicing Christians…so it stands to reason that they believe the same things, right?

Why don’t you get Hank Johnson to investigate that, I’m sure you can talk him into it.

mibwilso said:
if you want to investigate ALL sources of extremism in the US, that’s different.

The problem is, is that not all extremists are violent. The Amish are extreme. Your code phrases, taught to you by facebook and the dem underground, which try to blur the line between violent radicals and “extremism” is simply a diversion.

mibwilso said:
Sorry, not true. The silence from the right after those kinds of attacks is deafening.

Yep, right again.

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=1965

http://stlouisreview.com/article/2009-06-04/pro-life-leaders

Mr.Papshmer said:
The problem is, is that not all extremists are violent. The Amish are extreme.

Are you kidding? They make a “mean nutroll”, and “killer” backyard sheds(I own one).

Penguin60 said:
Are you kidding? They make a “mean nutroll”, and “killer” backyard sheds(I own one).

Yeah, the point was, they lead a lifestyle that, by any measure, is “extreme” when compared to average Americans. “Extremism” is relative, murder is not, and many muslim sects have a pretty proven track record of murderous radicalism.

Mibwilso,
I have a question for you. If your car had both a crack in the windshield and a blown gasket, would you insist on fixing both at the same time, or would you just maybe deal with the bigger problem (the gasket) and monitor the smaller problem at the same time? This ain’t rocket science!

mibwilso said:

“And even if Muslims report fanatical muslims to the authorities, Fox News wouldn’t cover it because it doesn’t fit their narrative.”

And if FOX reported an event that was not reported by other channels, because it would not fit their narrative, you and other liberals would claim it’s a lie, because FOX reported it.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Yeah, the point was, they lead a lifestyle that, by any measure, is “extreme” when compared to average Americans.

I live very close to Amish country and you’re right, they do live an extreme lifestyle from the average Americans viewpoint.

mibwilso said:
I’m not citing a specific example because you’re not answering my question. My question is about the general topic, not about a specific event.

My question was, as a general rule, “Should we investigate all Christian churches if some Christian extremist does something crazy?”

Why can’t you just answer that.

They WON’T answer the question because it upsets their narrative. They don’t want to talk about groups like the Hutaree Christian Militia, who plotted to kill police officers and use weapons of mass destruction?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LrnrpzO0kk&feature=related

Don’t even LOOK at Arizona…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebnWnmOnWow&feature=related

Yes, mibwilso, these right wingers won’t answer your questions, or respond to these videos.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Yes, mibwilso, these right wingers won’t answer your questions

I answered his question honestly, and you probably don’t even see the irony in demanding that I answer a question, when out of the other corner of your mouth you’re demanding that those on the right don’t even ask questions. You’re a puppet and a hypocrite.

Does this jerk only have tears for dead Muslims? Did he get all weepy when that jihadi in Texas blew away 14 American service people?

Mr.Papshmer said:
I answered his question honestly, and you probably don’t even see the irony in demanding that I answer a question, when out of the other corner of your mouth you’re demanding that those on the right don’t even ask questions. You’re a puppet and a hypocrite.

Where’s your blackface avatar today, Papshmer?

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Where’s your blackface avatar today, Papshmer?

Translation: You have zero of substance or intelligence to say. You know, for people who like to talk about how smart they are, libs sure are stupid.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Translation: You have zero of substance or intelligence to say. You know, for people who like to talk about how smart they are, libs sure are stupid.

Where’s your blackface avatar today, Papshmer?

What…you thought everybody on this blog was down with your minstrel show? You thought people would forget what you’re REALLY about? THIS Black man sure didn’t.

Sorry. That stain doesn’t wash off, As far as substance and intelligence, please. I take on anybody in this blog with links to support my arguments. Anybody. If memory recalls, you NEVER took me on in a substantial debate or argument.
Well, “minstrel-show”…I’m calling you out on THIS one. Show me how “intelligent” and “substantial” your argument is.
Odds say you won’t. No….not you, Papshmer. Here, you can say whatever you want to say from the safety and anonymity of your basement, and all you can do is post “blackface” avatars and insult people from the shadows?
Where’s the courage of your convictions? At least the reactionary, Neo-Nazis, Hammer Skins, Aryan Nations, Christian Identity, White Christian Millitia terrorists you refuse to acknowledge are standing in the sunlight now, exposing their ideology openly.

You, Papshmer? You lurk in the shadows and make racist avatars….afraid to debate a little Cartoonist on a blog posting board.

ROTFLMBAO!

–Cobra

I’ll go ahead and admit up front that I disagree with O’Reilly often. However, I think he won the point on his argument that since they are having these hearings, guys like Gaffney should be allowed to step forward and state their claims and then be grilled to defend them. You would think Ellison would desire to have an opportunity for those who fear the evils of Muslims to defend their claims with facts. I don’t want to view a witch hunt, but I would like to hear an intelligent debate, in which those with facts expose those without. Ellison may have had some strong arguments against the hearings being held, but since they are happening, he would have been better off agreeing with O’Reilly on this one.

Larry,

Do you think a congressional hearing is the place for that Frank Gaffney?

“In 2002, Gaffney publicly accused Grover Norquist, an anti-tax activist and prominent Republican strategist, for alleged ties to radical Islamist groups attempting to influence the Bush Administration. Gaffney said a press release by the American Muslim Council credited Ali Tulbah, a Bush-White House aide, for getting them access to the administration. Norquist banned Gaffney from the weekly “Wednesday Meeting” of the Leave Us Alone Coalition that Norquist hosted. Norquist later wrote an open letter, accusing Gaffney of “racial prejudice, religious bigotry [and] ethnic hatred,” calling Gaffney a “sick, little bigot…. His whole life screams of bigotry, and what he said is just part of a pattern…. Frank Gaffney and Osama bin Laden share the same view on the relationship between the United States and Islam. I agree with the president in rejecting Osama bin Laden’s and Frank Gaffney’s worldview.” In 2011, Gaffney accused Norquist of “helping the Muslim Brotherhood spread its influence in the nation’s capital.”[11] David Keene, President of the American Conservative Union, later commented on the Gaffney-Norquist dispute, saying, “I, for one, don’t see it. If you read the transcript [of the panel], you can see if Frank was right or wrong, but there was nothing racist or bigoted about it.” Norquist’s comments so angered Keene that he stopped talking to Norquist.[12]

In a front-page story in The Wall Street Journal, Karl Rove dismissed Gaffney’s assertions regarding Bush, stating “there’s no there there.”[13] In an article appearing in the January 2007 edition of Vanity Fair about neoconservatives who pushed for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Gaffney said of Bush, “He doesn’t in fact seem to be a man of principle who’s steadfastly pursuing what he thinks is the right course. He talks about it, but the policy doesn’t track with the rhetoric, and that’s what creates the incoherence that causes us problems around the world and at home.”[14]”

In October 2008, Gaffney questioned whether then Senator Barack Obama of Illinois is a “natural born citizen of the United States” and his legal eligibility to be the President of the United States.[17]

In a February 2009 Washington Times column, Gaffney accused President Obama of “embracing the agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood,” a political organization banned in several countries in the Middle East.[18]

In April 2009, Gaffney appeared on television and accused President Obama of using coded language to indicate that America would submit to Sharia law.[19]

In a June 9, 2009, Washington Times article Gaffney wrote: “With Mr. Obama’s unbelievably ballyhooed address in Cairo Thursday to what he calls ‘the Muslim world’ … there is mounting evidence that the president not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.”[20]

Gaffney continued this theme in on February 24, 2010, in his column on Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment blog, when Gaffney attacked the administration’s plans to modernize and update the missile defense program as “US submission to Islam” from “an Alinsky acolyte”, citing as “evidence” the redesigned logo of the Missile Defense Agency.[21]

“Team Obama’s anti-anti-missile initiatives are not simply acts of unilateral disarmament of the sort to be expected from an Alinsky acolyte. They seem to fit an increasingly obvious and worrying pattern of official U.S. submission to Islam and the theo-political-legal program the latter’s authorities call Shariah.

“What could be code-breaking evidence of the latter explanation is to be found in the newly-disclosed redesign of the Missile Defense Agency logo…. As Logan helpfully shows, the new MDA shield appears ominously to reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo.”

However, Al Kamen reports that the new Missile Defense Agency logo is over three years old and was actually developed during the George Bush administration.[22]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gaffney

Elevating a Birther who sees Muslims behind every bush is exactly the kind of thing that will create a witch-hunt, IMHO.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Do you think a congressional hearing is the place for that Frank Gaffney?

Oddly enough Cobra, you have convinced me even more that it is. Gaffney’s views are going to be heard with or without a congressional hearing. Only in many of those cases, there will be no dissenting opinions. Readers or viewers will be presented with Gaffney’s opinions and many will accept them as fact. Bringing him up in front of a congressional hearing will give people a chance to see him forced to defend those opinions which is much more difficult. If those who grill him are well-informed, he might just be exposed as, to quote Grover Norquist, “a sick little bigot.”

The point here is, the man Rep.Ellison was talking about was an American, what the hell does his religion, lack of religion, or his type of toothpaste have to do with radical terrorism? It’s obvious he wasn’t a terrorist. Interjecting the fact the he was a Muslim should have been a mute issue in the scenario he described. So why would this politician get all mushy about a non-issue? Did he get emotional in an effort to make it appear that anyone who would question the role of the Muslims in the U.S. would be looked at in a racist light by even suggesting that Muslims may be committing terrorist attacks? When does stereotyping become relevant? When the physical description of a terrorist fits that of middle-eastern person, should we ignore that because it might look racist, or should that informantion be the foundation of an investigation? Try telling a homicide detective he can’t use a physical description of a perpetrator in his investigation and see what kind of response you get.

LarryB said:
Oddly enough Cobra, you have convinced me even more that it is. Gaffney’s views are going to be heard with or without a congressional hearing. Only in many of those cases, there will be no dissenting opinions. Readers or viewers will be presented with Gaffney’s opinions and many will accept them as fact. Bringing him up in front of a congressional hearing will give people a chance to see him forced to defend those opinions which is much more difficult. If those who grill him are well-informed, he might just be exposed as, to quote Grover Norquist, “a sick little bigot.”

I see your point, and understand your argument, but where does it stop? We’re in 2011 America where anybody with a camcorder and internet access is now a “journalist”, “spokesman” or “authority.” Where does it stop? What are the limits? Will we have to legitimize via Congressional hearing every crackpot who uploads a conspiracy theory on You Tube?

—Cobra