lol

If the President has little to do with gas prices, why did liberals and their minions in the liberal media blame Bush for high gas prices?

You have to laugh at CNN.  The other day they did a in-depth segment fact-checking Rick Perry.  Now they do the same with Michele Bachmann.  But after almost 3 years of Obama, have they ever fact-checked the President?

No, of course not.  Which is why fair-minded people have come to scorn this bogus news network.

What a rube. She also thinks the American people are worried about the rise of the Soviet Union.

Reminds me of this classic:

Brokaw and Rose Admit They Don’t Know Much About Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzMas1bVidw

If you don’t want to know something, you just don’t ask. 

If CNN wants to amuse viewers, it should look into this story — which may be the most extreme example of liberal ideology divorced from facts.

This article — from a far left but otherwise mainstream UK paper — tells how global warming will cause aliens from outer space to destroy human life as we know it. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/18/aliens-destroy-humanity-protect-civilisations

You couldn’t make this stuff up! 

Sure deflect from the matter at hand- that will make
Bachmann’s comments less crazy….

Typical conservative victim mentality; can’t dispute the criticism so will just
keep repeating the words liberal bias, main stream media, attack on conservatives
etc etc to make themselves feel better instead of dealing with the issue at hand.

Stop pulling the straw man and accept that Bachmann was talking nonsense.

Drill , baby , drill .

Velshi and Johns have their theories . How nice for them .

How is responding directly to what the :”expert” said a straw man?  Care to answer my question?

she loves a strawman, it’s the only way she’s able to debate at all.

I’ll give $100 to your favorite anti-abortion group if one conservative on this board actually refutes the facts of the CNN article and doesn’t deflect the issue by crying “MSM bias.”

COME ON!! $100 IS ON THE LINE!!

All networks are biased- even fox news.

Where was fox news and its fact checking when Bachmann  and other right wing people told the lie about the cost of Obama’s trip to India?

CNN, MSNBC, ABC and Fox all have their own bias and problems

Come on, I read the article, it’s based on a ‘what if” paper written by NASA & Penn State. What you quote is just one of a number of scenarios that might play out if/when we ever make contact with aliens. It is pretty silly, but don’t make it out like is some sort of leftist manisfesto, it’s just pure speculation.

Still haven’t answered the question.

Amen my brother!!

I love “far left but otherwise mainstream UK paper.” Glad you acknowledge that left of center is the place to be.

With regard to the substance of the article, what the scientists are doing is commonly called a “thought experiment.” Such exercises often lead to interesting outcomes — for example, the Theory of Relativity.

lol…..accusing liberals of attacking bush is irrelevant and not directly answering the two issues raised;

1) Bachmann can not meet her promise
2) Presidents have little to do with gas prices especially if he/she is not a president of an OPEC country.

The only way you could do that is by subsidizing oil.  Sounds like socialism.

I don’t know if getting gas prices to $2 is doable but one way to get close is to crank up domestic oil production and significantly increase refining capacity.  I would also like to see oil companies have to choose between oil production and oil refining but not allowed to do both.  Companies like Exxon can manipulate gas prices to their benefit by either tightening oil supplies or adjusting refining schedules.  Speculators have a large effect on pricing but the Exxons of the world egg them on with their own manipulations.

Drill our own oil and legislate that new oil must be sold only for domestic consumption.  It takes about 2 years to get oil out of the ground when permits are issued.  

Bachman is correct.

It is because Bush deregulated a industry and made oil a commodity that could be traded on a stock market.  It also opened up derivatives, speculation, and market manipulation.  He deregulated Wall Street to it’s lowest point since the great depression.  And we all know what happened in 2007-8

But to be fair, this was started under Clinton.

I did

I remember so well the “Obama’s unemployment will not go over 8%” being fact checked by CNN.

Oh wait a minute – THEY NEVER DID THAT DID THEY?

CNN is really becoming an embarrassment.

Google is a wonderful tool

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

did they hack a phone to get that?

After she successfully purchased some credibility in Iowa, I had expected Bachmann to pivot in the direction of sanity in an attempt to maintain her rather expensive momentum. Even her recent appearances on the Sunday newsers, where she spouted nonsense but didn’t actually foam at the mouth, suggested that she was trying to triangulate toward non-crazy.

But no. At the first opportunity she comes up with another nutbag fantasy that denies all reality and proves once again that — regardless of the depth of her education and life experiences — she really is from an alternate universe where the laws of science and economics that we’re familiar with simply don’t apply.

Gotta love it. I’m really liking the Republican field this election cycle. My guy Obama, struggling with the worst economy in the last 80 years, is clearly vulnerable, but the Republicans seem bound and determined to oppose him with totally unelectable loons who will hand him a victory.

So I guess the Republicans *do* love their country, despite all the nonsensical antiAmerican rhetoric that they spew.

So Obama bears no blame for the current gas prices?

President Bachman only needs to approve the
  1.  The Trans-Canada to the Gulf Pipeline
  2.  Open up oil drilling in the Gulf, Alaska and other western states
  3.  Open up Natural Gas Exploration
Open up means get it the applications on file now approved.
  4.  Get out of the Car Business
  5.  Get out of the housing Business
  6.  Get a law passed that would allow companies housing $$ overseas to bring back for expansion.
  7.  Roll back all new regulations to the 2007 level
  8.  Shrink the size of govenment 5% per year for 4 years and budgets by 7% per year for 4 years.

Then set back and watch the economy take off.

That alone would put several million Americans back to work

Awww gee.  Gas was at $1.61 per gallon  on 1/08 under Bush.

 http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

$2 per gallon under President Bachmann is a good target.  Of course, if Obama is re-elected gas will be $5 per gallon.

You’re practicing the art of avoidance.  But to be fair, I’m not sure how you would spin your bias.

well yes and no. He did bomb Libya and that had an effect on prices.

No because he has not deregulated or regulated energy or wall street. The energy bills that are on the table are tied up in committee do to the lobbying of said companies. Any wall street reform has either not gone into effect or is thought of as evil socialism or the government takeover of an industry, thus will not pass.

What is the title of the article? 

The main point is that Bachmann was talking nonsense. Why can’t you just accept the fact?

ok, two points…

1.  Who is we?  The oil companies own and trade the oil, not the oil fields.  We will see none of that money.

2.  Why would any company only limit itself to domestic business?  India, China, and Brazil all have a looming middle class that will need to drive and use gas.

How about this Michelle.  Liberals blamed Bush because he allowed the dollar to be PURPOSELY devalued so that exports would rise thus masking (actually deferring) the true state of the economy.  Imports (namely gas) rose as a result coupled with OPEC’s disdain on Bushie’s new “Democracy for Everyone” tour which resulted in flat production.   Now, do you have time in between doing whatever chores some man told you to do (submitting) and reading your handbook on how not to be a filthy, little sinner (aka bible) to do a little research on what causes gasoline prices to rise and fall at the pumps?   Please answer as I love to skewer silly little hypo-christians.  

Odd because when gas was going up under Bush all the Liberals were screaming how it was his fault. NOW we find out that isn’t possible? Who knew?

She also said she worked as a tax attorney to spy on the IRS.

BTW……You are a racist for making this comment and running away;

“Obama has the same position on gay marriage that I do.  A majority of African American’s and Hispanics are not for gay marriage.  Are they bigots also?”

I hope that I  do not have to show you why this is racist and why I know that you are either white/asian

Bachmann is operating in a fantasy land, but this piece is why I can’t stand the White Noise Networks.

How informative is it to tell viewers that prices are set internationally?  Instead of clips of Obama and Bush talking about prices, why not have Velshi talk about the supply chain and heaven forbid “emerging” nations consumption, the strength/weakness of the dollar, etc.?

I didn’t run away.  How about taking a look.  I just posted a response to your absolutely ridiculous assertion.  Don’t those dog whistles get loud?

She said she was proud to share Waterloo with me too!! You can believe anything this woman says. I love my Michelle. 

You wouldn’t have to subsidize jack shit. Just let us drill. Period.

lol……..You state that blacks and hispanics are not for gay marriage and ask if they are bigots.

Why did you forget that whites too are not for gay marriage as well?

Also, your response was useless. 

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx
Gas was at $1.61 per gallon in 1/08 under Bush.

GO MICHELLE!

Nope. Study after study after study…domestic drilling will have no effect on the price at the pump.

And, stop being in the dark about domestic drilled crude going directly to the global market. As in…not here.

The only accuracy that comes out of that woman’s mouth is her frign name.

Rudeboy, you appear to be learning impaired, but I will keep trying.  The white person in my comment was me!  I was asking if I am a bigot for not believing in gay marriage, are minorities (including Obama) with the same belief also bigots.  Now how is that racist again?

http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx                .
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Gas was at $1.61 PER GALLON under President GW BUSH in January 2008.  Bachmann could do it by opening the drilling Obama has shut off and reducing the dozens of new regulations Obama has forced on the petroleum industry.

When was the last time the Propaganda Room called any of President Obungle’s promises “Completely Fact-Free”?

That was the price of gas in the old days.
Three years ago.

In all due diligence you broke this plan down, unlike Bachmann or CNN, right?

very good go—–wwwhappyshopping100com

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Thats a wonderful lie youre telling.

The laws of global supply and demand will bend for the properly penitent.

Conservatives…like any minority…drive through a neighborhood, see one of their own. And soon pack up their family and move into the area. Then tell their buddies all about it…before long, other people in the neighborhood are looking to get out due to the influx of disruption, disrespect and out right uncivil behavior. Clearing the way for even more awfully simple minds to run around rampant like lil babboons for having chased off people who look to avoid pointless conflict.

That or its the smell they cant much stand.

How about stop printing money. That might make the price of gas go down too.

Um what?

ps, Conservatives aren’t a minority, liberals are. Conservatives make up 40% of the population, 40% Independence, and 20% loony libs. 

Katrina. Iraq war. Afghanistan War. No Child Left Behind. Economic recession. Destruction of middle class. Bush played an instrumental role in the decline of America over the last decade. He was a complete disaster as president.

Come on.  Like there is any proof of a weak dollar pursued under Bush.  Oh wait.

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/11/16/with-his-strong-dollar-talk-and-weak-dollar-actions-should-hank/

you’re not addressing the story.  just changing it.

don’t agree with Michelle on anything.  but she’s self-identified as a working single mom.  and a mormon, so Book of Mormon, not bible. 

otherwise, she’s a lot of talk without showing how unrealistic it is for us to have $2 gasoline.  that speculating also causes a rise in gasoline.  and that we can’t support the US’s oil habit on domestic oil alone. 

facts.  pesky things with a “liberal bias”

Ok, I admit it, Bachmann is now the conservative version of Barack Obama.  I agree with her on a lot of issues, but as CNN points out, gas prices are influenced by a lot more than anything the President of the US can do.  She’s making promises she can’t keep, which is exactly what Obama did as a candidate in 2008.  I would say conservatives should beware of her, but she has no chance at winning the nomination and I think it’s only a matter of time before her campaign runs off the rails.  It’s disappointing that she feels the need to make empty promises but also act like a rock star, also just like Obama did.  She wouldn’t even shake hands like Rick Perry did on Sunday, she just showed up to give a short speech with blaring music at her entrance, and then left.  Conservatives can find someone better, whose resume and positions are strong enough that they don’t need to resort to these sorts of tactics.

Without a doubt Bachmann is absolutely crazy and filled with hot air and talking points.First she wants to send us into a depression by defaulting on or debt on president and now promises gas prices threw administration.She is just plain nuts.

I know that the leftist libs would love it if she was the republican nominee but it just isn’t going to happen.  Although even she could probably beat Obama.

This snake-oil saleswoman is talking about the price of her snake-oil.

This woman is the best. She deserves the nomination. Everybody get off the couch and get out there to do what you can to get this woman nominated. She is the only answer for America. She is all we need. We don’t een need a VP if we have her a President. Let’s make this happen people. Bachmann 2012!

Unfortunately, 0bomber’s promise for $4.00 a gallon gas CAME TRUE.

By the way I answered your questions and it seems to have made you quiet.

$2 gas would only exacerbate global warming

Maybe shell ask Jezus to do it…he’ll listen to her!

Please Let Her Win The Nomination… Please..

After closely watching her for the past several years, I truly think this woman has no concept of reality. As a result, anything she firmly believes anything she says is true, even if it is clearly false. She simply does not care because her electorate in Minnesota never challenged her on any of her outrageous claims in the past. However, she is on a national stage and she will soon start having to pay and pay dearly for her lunacy.

Based on some Krugman alien fact:

Geithner: No Chance of Credit Downgrade – “Listen Carefully Now …
7 Aug 2011 … You’ve probably seen this as it has constantly been on the news since the credit downgrade. I’m late getting it up, but it needs to be here …
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2011/08/geithner-no-chance-of-credit-downgrade-listen-carefully-now/

Breaking: S&P downgrades U.S. to AA+; Update: S&P statement added …
5 Aug 2011 … Breaking: S&P downgrades U.S. to AA+; Update: S&P statement added; Update: No chance of downgrade, said Geithner in April.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/05/breaking-sp-downgrades-u-s-to-aa/

Tim Geithner – Credit Downgrade – S&P | Mediaite
6 Aug 2011 … Tim Geithner In April: ‘No Risk’ Of S&P Downgrading America’s … He said he was “absolutely” sure there was no chance of a downgrade. …
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tim-geithner-in-april-no-risk-of-sp-downgrading-americas-credit/

The Dismal Political Economist: Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner …

Wow. Wasn’t he wrong??? Hey, now his boss says there is no chance of a double dip recession. Wow. Based on the same “facts”, Barry? Does anybody believe anything this administration says, anymore?

Yes, and why did S&P issue their downgrade? Because the Tea Baggers in the House actually flirted with default. So is Geithner to blame for their lunacy, too?

A clumsy attempt to divert the conversation from the subject, who is a popular proven wacko.

A clumsy attempt to divert the conversation from the subject, who is a popular proven wacko.

No blame

Wouldn’t change the price of gas.

Nope.

NO, who would of thought?

Funny, there are hardley any baggers commenting at all.  C’mon trolls.

Practicing avoidance? You’ve got to be kidding. You were the one who introduced the “liberals blaming Bush” strawman into a discussion about Bachmann being able to deliver on a $2 a gallon gas price promise.  You are one thick headed blindly ignorant teabigging troll.

Superb analysis!

lol

It’s getting past your bedtime honey.

That is the kind of economic prediction that, while wrong, at least has the potential of becoming correct. Also, it depended on cooperation from Republicans, which did not happen.

There is a similar element in Bachmann’s idiotic “promise” that she could bring the price of gas down. It would require the full cooperation of the entire government and the entire world. As the experts said, only total world-wide depression could accomplish that.

Nothing short of a full communist style dictatorship could bring the price of gas down that low.
The first step would be to confiscate every personal car and truck, allowing only commercial vehicles to consume fuel. Only when demand was that low could she force companies to sell at inventory reduction rates.

Bachmann also plans to bring back the nickle loaf of bread and .35 cent packs of cigarettes.  Oh, and polyester.

They will only try to change the subject.

Nice sense of humor.

And we all thank you for that.

Who cares about gas… how much will corn dogs cost?

In fact, numerous studies have been done which show even if “domestic production” is increased substancially, it would only make a 1 or 2 dollar per barrel difference.  The best hope to limit the impact speculators it to overturn Grahm-Leach-Bliley and reimplement Glass-Stegall, which Senator Nelson of Fl. attempted but failed thanks to the party of no.

The irony being that Obama’s current policies, if supported, are the best way to drive down prices. A drilling free for all could reduce the price by a few pennies per gallon yet more stringent efficiency standards and the introduction of innovative substitutes are the only long term means to drive down price outside of a deep economic contraction.

I don’t appreciate you attacking Exxon, it is people too.

It’s Bachmann who’s the embarrassment, get used to it.  I hear she has a squirrel who lives in her head too.

You do realize the point of drilling is to increase supply and whether drilled here or anywhere else, the price is still global, we don’t get a home town discount.

The department of energy reports there is 16-18 billion barrels of oil in ANWR.  Some studies have shown there is 123 billion barrels off Brazil.

What do you think has the better chance of increasing supply and lowering prices?

Seriously, I like Michele Bachmann a lot, but she makes too many gaffes, making her a bad choice for a national election. (Not that Obama doesn’t also make gaffes, but we conservatives constantly have to fight the “dumb-redneck” label, while liberals are assumed to be educated)
My fellow conservatives would be stupid to pass up on Huntsman; he’s not perfect, but he’s hell of a lot more to the right than anyone who has a chance of beating Obama, including the flipper Romney.

Correct on the first point, when you destroy the economy as Bush did commodities will fall.  Based on your premise Obama will oversee a very healthy economy.  Bachmann doesn’t really fit in any equations as she’ll be gone before the convention next summer.

Bachmann is a nut case, that I will admit.  But then again President Obama made lots of “promises” as Candidate Obama that have all proven false.  I sincerely hope that Bachmann does not win the Republican nomination as that would almost certainly guarantee Obama gets a second term.

If gas was only $2 a gallon, how would libs ever be able to push their puny little electric cars. You know…the cars that will cost a fortune to charge after electricity bills skyrocket?

Wow, I actually did a lol and almost landed on the floor. The downgrade could have nothing to do with ridiculous government spending for “social justice” like the type that are killing the UK, Greece and the entire EU??? Coupled with stupidity from the “leaders” of your clown’s administration saying that unemployment benefits DRIVE OUR ECONOMY??? Backed up by your clowns’ once again saying that food stamps drive EMPLOYMENT! All overseen by an incompetent who cut his teeth agitating the neighborhood for MORE government handouts for his pet projects from the creators of wealth to the deadbeats of society. And watched over carefully (and competently???)by a tax cheat who could not figure out TuboTax??? Wow, Ed Shultz needs you, BO! And 0bama needs you even more.

Pelosi: Unemployment Benefits Biggest Stimulus for Economy

7 Jul 2010 … Pelosi: Unemployment Benefits Biggest Stimulus for Economy … Free Markets Are Good for China—and Us, Too …
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/07/07/pelosi-unemployment-benefits-biggest-stimulus-for-economy/

Obama Agriculture Secretary: Food Stamps Create Jobs | CNSnews.com

Obama Agriculture Secretary: Food Stamps Create Jobs. Tuesday, August 16, 2011. By Matt Cover. (CNSNews.com) – Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack repeated …

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-agriculture-secretary-food-stamps

Wow, I actually did a lol and almost landed on the floor. The downgrade could have nothing to do with ridiculous government spending for “social justice” like the type that are killing the UK, Greece and the entire EU??? Coupled with stupidity from the “leaders” of your clown’s administration saying that unemployment benefits DRIVE OUR ECONOMY??? Backed up by your clowns’ once again saying that food stamps drive EMPLOYMENT! All overseen by an incompetent who cut his teeth agitating the neighborhood for MORE government handouts for his pet projects from the creators of wealth to the deadbeats of society. And watched over carefully (and competently???)by a tax cheat who could not figure out TuboTax??? Wow, Ed Shultz needs you, BO! And 0bama needs you even more.

Pelosi: Unemployment Benefits Biggest Stimulus for Economy

7 Jul 2010 … Pelosi: Unemployment Benefits Biggest Stimulus for Economy … Free Markets Are Good for China—and Us, Too …
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/07/07/pelosi-unemployment-benefits-biggest-stimulus-for-economy/

Obama Agriculture Secretary: Food Stamps Create Jobs | CNSnews.com

Obama Agriculture Secretary: Food Stamps Create Jobs. Tuesday, August 16, 2011. By Matt Cover. (CNSNews.com) – Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack repeated …

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-agriculture-secretary-food-stamps

Huntsman is the closest thing to an electable candidate in the race right now.  His tweet today about science and evolution speaks volumes conservatives today seem  afraid to admit.  He’s a believer and so am I.

Very rich people.

Attacking the ‘liberal media’ for some stupid nonsense they said five or eight years ago is simply a distraction from the fact that Bachmann said a pretty amazingly stupid thing in this video clip.

I will take real life over an academic study any day. In July of 2008 oil reached almost $150 a barrel.  President Bush (43) issued an executive order removing the ban on various offshore areas which had been off limits.  By the end of July the price of oil had dropped by over $20 per barrel.  This was all before the housing and financial meltdowns which really sank the price down into the $30 per barrel range by the end of 2008.

Amen, bro. Amen. 
Huntsman never said he opposes the notion of God, something Charles Darwin did oppose in his later years. All Huntsman said was that he believes in scientific evidence to show that humans have evolved from different species dating back at least tens of thousands of years ago, contrary to the Bible. He didn’t endorse the entire premise of “Darwinism”, which denies the idea that something supernatural such as God created life in the first place. Huntsman has stated many times he believes God created life, but that evolution became a part of said life.

I, personally, admit that global warming (as well as cooling) takes place, but I do not believe it is caused by man, althoug I don’t hold it against Huntsman, either. I’d much rather prefer a candidate like Huntsman who’s honest and has a record of being a free-market capitalist, a pro-lifer, pro-gun, a tax-cutter and someone who doesn’t embrace the neo-con/George Bush view of foreign interventionism that gave us Obama in the first place. Romney, on the other hand, might be electable, but he’s not a conservative and he’s not trustworthy; he’s a flopper, and he’s never owns up to his mistakes. Huntsman, love him or hate him, has explained his once-support for an individual mandate and has vowed to repeal Obamacare.

What counts is the voters see recent economic events as the fault of the Tea Party. Public support for the Tea Party has nosedived. 

What counts is the voters see recent economic events as the fault of the Tea Party. Public support for the Tea Party has nosedived. 

What libs like to avoid admitting is if we developed our own fuel resources we could significantly effect the cost of our domestic fuel.  If we stopped taxing the crap out of everything  (kinda like mandated insurance where if you dare draw a breath tomorrow you are taxed) it’ll also reduce gas prices.

You have the figures that prove this? That much oil is just waiting to be pumped out of the ground? Did you know that lots of oil is so hard to get at that no one will even try unless gas costs $4 per gallon?
Seriously, there is no profit in paying $4.50 to produce gas that you can only sell at $4, let alone $2.

If Bachmann can promise $2 gas, she can also promise milk at $1 per gallon and candy bars at 25 cents each.
(Did anybody else notice there are no cent signs on computer keyboards?)

How did they make money just 3 years ago when the priced was around $2 a gallon?  What has changed that now it costs $4.50 to produce it?  Do you have figures to prove that it costs that much, and if so, why does it?

What do you mean “completely fact-free?”  Ever since the end of the Second World War, America has been acquiescent and generous to some very underserving Nations and people.

The Philosophy of “Real Politik” tells us to stop playing “nice guy” and view economic attacks against our Nation as acts of WAR!   

Hence, I am not overly concerned about Islam and their pots of oil, except to say that if we need it, we take it.
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq are NOT our best buddies, so stop pretending they will be there for us when we need them.

If various oil producing nations are not willing to provide us oil at a reasonably negotiated price, it is logical to conclude they have flexed their muscle, so to speak.  Hence, we should simply flex ours, unapologetically.

We are giving the rest of the world the impression we are in decline, even moribund. 

And so, Ms. Bachmna’s statement was not completely “fact free,”  wasn’t it?   Ouch!

Critical Info! According to Consumer Reports, the average price for a gallon of gas exactly three years ago was $3.69. http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/08/gas-prices-3.html

In fact, I can buy gas at exactly the same price within two blocks of where I live right now.

Now, as to why I say some oil is too expensive to get at:

Not ALL oil is that hard to get to. Not ALL oil is that hard to clean up. Check the prices of oil, and you will find that different sources have different selling prices. By the time gas gets into your tank, the original oil was probably a mix of very “sweet” and very “sour” crudes, extracted at different costs from different places. When enough “cheap” oil is available, the “expensive” stuff stays in the ground.
 
The difference between now and the time of $2 gas is partly the extra effort to get it and partly the effect of inflation in other areas, but mostly increases in demand in China, India, and other developing countries.

We used to export oil. Now we import it and China used to have enough oil. Now China imports it, just like we do. Japan has always had to import oil. We are not alone in the world.

Who is practicing the “art of avoidance” in the comment section of an article about Michele Bachmann?

The “irony is” that you as your “useful idiot” compatriot, have been dreaming of a “full communist style dictatorship” since you became mesmerized by the “hammer and Scythe.” 

 And now, DEVILSPAWN, uses a classic Leninesque technique, assigning a negative to a positive and pinning such on Bachman!  LOL  Amazing!!

If it wan’t funny, it would be dangerous.  Actually, it is dangerous, Socialists are dangerous, and we have very recent history to provide evidence of such!

Purveyor

Keep listening to that media of yours. They depend on people like you.

I watched the entire program that the article is based on. The premise of the program was a simple “what if” question. It is an exercise in logic, not a preparation for the inevitable.

What if there really were aliens who could travel here? Why would they come, and if they were coming for hostile reasons, how would we defend ourselves? It is a fun thing and a serious thing. Every scientist knew that the odds of it happening are less than the odds of you winning two supper lottos in a row, but what if?

Going further, what would get the attention of aliens so they would go to Earth, instead of Venus?

What is “liberal” about it? Are you saying that conservatives are too dense to even think beyond our own atmosphere? Next, you will be telling me that conservatives don’t read or write science fiction, and you don’t know the difference between science fiction and science fantasy.

In fact, I’m pretty sure you don’t, so I’ll explain. In science fiction, the author uses the possible, no matter how far into the future it might have to be. Then the author writes a story that is like any other, but in an exotic background, like a space ship or on a different planet. In science fantasy, you have a Dungeons and Dragons situation, with magic spells and ghosts and fairies.

You only prove that you never watch CNN.

Then you have all the more reason to be afraid, ‘cuz while Fox has “high ratings,” the still get less that 0.5% of the entire population watching them regularly.

what are you talking about?

where are you guys getting these figures when was gas 2 dollars a gallon?

Either you fell for the trick of making you defend something you didn’t do, or you are caught this time.
Sorry.

Please make her the republican presidential nominee.Please. Were begging you Tea party patriots.You gave us Angle and christine.One more gift would be nice.Thanks

Sorry, gas was approx. $2 in 2003, not 2008 as I said. Gonna’ have to admit that I finally need reading glasses.

He is not lying.  I read, and personally heard, that it was Bush’s fault since he was an “oil man” and was profiting from his hand in the rising gas prices.

Oh. I forgot. In science fantasy, there is a Devil, and he has a Spawn.

Fascinating, but that was December 2008, right after Obama got elected. It had hit $4.12 in June, 2008.
Pretty volatile stuff, that gassoline.

Double ironic that you fell directly into the trap of imagining a dream of full communist dictatorship… Making you complicitous in such dictatorship in an equally imaginary way.

Not only have you been exposed to the Leninesque technique, but the viral nature of such has travelled directly into the portion of your cranium responsible for making assignments and now You… Yes you dear Smeg…. I mean Purveyor have already replicated the technique in spades…. Oh how sweet the decline! The disease travels well within you.

Dangerous? You don’t know the eigth of it. You will soon be just as dangerous… Trampling upon claptrap, corralling buffoonery and arguing against nonsense instead of spawning it with such pure and unabridged abandon.

Greg

He does have a better solution, you know. He would turn the entire United States into a common mugger, taking what we want when we want it. That is what he says, anyway.

He has clearly gone off the deep end.

Watch him go into a fit of outrage ‘cuz I’m now talking behind his back in front of him.
His ad hominem attacks are not worth responding to. 

I typically ignore him… In this case I am up late with a doggy who ate something she should have avoided… The good thing is she let’s me know when she needs to go out… The bad thing is she let’s me know when she needs to go out… Regardless, the iPad called to me between walks and his post received rare attention. Perpetual war for perpetual peace… quite the philosopher he.

90% of what Bachmann says is fact free.

Huh?

You don’t “believe” in gay marriage? How about the sun, do you believe in that? Gay marriage is real. Gay people have been allowed to marry in Canada since 2005. That’s pretty real. Oh, and guess what? Gays being allowed to get married hasn’t affected my marriage to my wife at all. It’s helped it actually. My wife’s a wedding planner and she’s gotten a lot of business from gay American couples who’ve come here to tie the knot. As far as being a bigot, it remains to be seen. If you feel that gays don’t deserve the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us because the Bible tells you so (it doesn’t), or because marriage is a blah, blah blah and has been for thousands of years then yes, you are a bigot. A bigot and a bit of a lemming.

Regarding Micehele B., she should just stop taking. HAPPY BIRTHDAY ELVIS! Hahaha!!!

The difference is…I made an actual, substantive point, you didn’t. LOL

Your most recent reply contained the phrase: “perpetual war, for perpetual peace.”  That goes in my journal.  Thank you.

“We make war that we may live in peace.”  Aristotle

You know, on the Somme, even the Germans and the Brits came out of their trenches and fraternized, occasionally?  Anyway, I never liked you… LOL

CNN: Rep. Michele Bachmann’s $2-Gallon Gas Price Promise Is ‘Completely Fact-Free’, as is the entirety of the Obama presidency so Rep. Bachmann will surely be a shoe in among libs.

I made reference to policy before you arrived to name call… Your only responses to me have been to belittle, accuse and describe in slanderous ways. If that is your “substance” than far better be it in the trench.

The only way gas will ever go below $2 is if we have another great depression. I hope that’s not what she’s advocating. The minute we start drilling here or get it from up North or South, Saudi Arabia will drive down the price of oil and it won’t be worth for any oil company to drill on this continent. $2 will never happen. But, hell of way to get attention, Michele.

“Name call?” Why, what ever do you mean? Are you referring to the phrase “useful idiots?” That was a purely clinical reference to what Lenin called his errand boys, so to speak. “Useful idiots” is part of the historic/political vernacular. My use of the phrase was/is proper and accurate, hence, any perceived derogation is only coincidental. GREG, this Is similar to calling a truck driver a “truck driver,” as that is what he is. So too in your’s and DEVIL’s case. LOL (The logic is impeccable)

Does this bimbo even think before she speaks?  Left or Right you have to wonder!

Does this bimbo even think before she speaks?  Left or Right you have to wonder!

What’s so wrong with trying to lower gas prices? Of course everybody remembers Obama’s promise to raise gas prices to at least $5 a gallon and eventually to European levels.

Read the fine print.

$2 gas means that Marcus Bachmann will let men fart in his face for a Jefferson.

Surely Michele can guarantee that.

Quote: “Johns noted somewhat wryly that “about the only way for the price of gas to drop to $2 is for the entire global economy to tank”– something that could happen with the influence of an American president, but doesn’t really make for an appealing campaign talking point. Johns turned then to CNN financial reporter Ali Velshi, who emphatically attacked the promise as an “entirely irrational, baseless claim, not doable.” If it did happen, he added, “the most likely way to do that is a global depression.” (end of quote)

What they ignore or forget is that prices depend on supply as well as demand. Yes, gasoline prices dropped below $2/gallon, and crude oil below $30/barrel,  in early 2009 because of weak demand.  But the US has abundant supplies of oil and gas, along with coal, and if we really started producing as much as we are capable of producing then it would make a difference.

Additionally, if we built a few hundred new nuclear power plants, electricity prices could decline to the point where the cost of driving plug-in electric cars was the equivalent of $2 a gallon or less.
 
Of course, we would have to begin storing nuclear waste inside the Yucca Mountain site, and that would make Harry Reid most unhappy. But you cannot make omelets without breaking eggs.

  Gas was $1.58 on January 20th in Gas City, Indfiana, when Oblamer took office. 
  If Michelle Bachman were to get the EPA defunded and defunct so that we could drill for our own natural gas and oil in America, I have little doubt that gasoline could drop to $2 or less. 
 At todays prices for crude, we send nearly a TRILLION dollars ever year to those Opec’ers and Venezuela’s dictator, Chavez, most all of whom desire our demise, even the oil from Canada and Mexico could be shut off.   One of the many reasons we were able to win World War 2  was our abundant supply of our own oil, which Americans rationed domestically to be certain our military had plenty..  The German tanks were abandoned without fuel, Japan was short on fuel by the end of the war.  Oblamer is giving away our strategic reserves, leaving us vulnerable to a world shutdown of supplies.
  Bachman makes plenty of gaffs, she lacks in some areas of expertise, but even at that, she would be ten times better than the arrogant imposter we now have in the peoples house. 

explain…

stop trading it as a commodity.  Futures, derivatives, and speculation too.  That will drive it down to the real cost.  Most of the cost (inflation) in anything these days is almost pure BS.  It is not liquid.

I can make up numbers too

Maybe it’s her way of saying”the Arabs don’t need full control of oil/gasoline”….I personally feel that their is something phoney about our gas prices. Do we always have to take from the Arabs? We have our own reserves and are suppose to have the largest supply of any country. Yet, we still buy from the Arabs. Why are we doing that.  I’m not saying Bachmann is right about this but i do think there is a reason hiding somewhere that is the answer to the high gas prices. Obama said not that long ago that they were going to take from our reserves to lower the prices. It lowered for about 2 wks. and then it started going higher again. Was he telling us a story again?  Seems like they keep rising inspite of his statement.

Where does that ‘racist’ conviction always come in at.  Some people on here are so worried about a statement being racist and bigotry.  I think it’s only for the attention the two words portray.  to be honest I would bet there isn’t one of you who really cares if a statement is racist or bigotry….you just like pointing it out and sounding powerful. They say what they   want and another accuses them of one of the two words and then the other kind of person says what they want and it’s not questioned. People are stating what they think here….it’s not a courtroom where you need to call out “proof”.

Silly little hypo-christians.  How nice of you.  do you feel better now. I’ll bet you were the class bully in school too. You know you people want to bash Bush so badly.  Blame is your game.  When are you going to let go of the past and think about the future.  You so much want to make things look like Obama is the class one president….better known as “the one” by most. Now that you have made your point…Obama’s stimulus plan set this country on it’s nose. he has devalued our money by printing money continuously, he has apologized for us Americans to other countries…only to be sucking up to those countries, he favors muslim terrorists, ignores illegal immagrants Lybia and on it goes. No president is going to make all happy. but Obama is destroying us. whether you like it or not…maybe, just maybe us Bible thumping Christians are able to see what is happening. I don’t know what you believe in…and really don’t care…but don’t make fun of others just be ridiculing and thinking your cute.

All your stats and making it look like your knowledeable really doesn’t matter. Bachmann could be story-telling and maybe she could be “sort of” right. None of us know that for sure. Sure it could be a distraction it could be a true story too.We can all pretend to know the answer but none of us know the future. We all go on our  gut instinct of who we think will make the best candidate.  Whether Bush did all the terrible things to this country, or Clinton or whomever…really doesn’t mean a whole lot at this point. What has been happening these last few years is the real issue.

Pardon the small laugh you should be hearing when you say that gasoline is not liquid. It sure isn’t a solid. :-)

I know you mean liquid in the sense of being easily traded for cash or other assets. Real Estate is not liquid, and machinery is not liquid, but oil and gasoline are liquid in the easy conversion sense. In fact, you need to look into the whole process of purchasing fuel for any industry that uses it, especially the airlines.

Professional purchasers have to decide what will be the best deal for them. Will they sign a contract that is good for one year or three? They cannot be buying millions of dollars worth of aviation fuel every day, watching the price swing by even one cent per gallon would be so risky that the whole airline could go bankrupt in a week. The purchaser must lock in the best price possible for a much longer period of time so the rest of the executives can make their budget plans.

They even have to lock in deals that won’t start for at least 90 days because they can’t let the old contract run out and take whatever price then are offered on an emergency basis. The sellers have the same problem. They must make a best guess at a price that is low enough to get a profitable contract, but not so low that they will be selling at a loss six months from now. Once that contract is signed, both sides are stuck with it for however long it lasts. (Don’t even think about one day or one week or one month. That just isn’t done.)

As you see, everything in business is that complicated, and “speculation” is an essential business process in the purchasing and selling departments. You can easily look up the 90 day spot prices for oil, gas, and other petroleum products. Just google them. 

Yes. Oil is a commodity.

She’s on a diet. No more “facts” for her. She’s already lost 20% of her brain capacity. I hear her goal is 80% fact loss.

I understand the economics behind it. I guess I was commenting on the futures aspect of it. All i know is that Clinton loosened a lot of regulatory rules in his latter term and that’s when oil prices jumped. That’s not taking away from middle east turmoil or chavez or what not. It just seems we are bubbling energy the same way we bubbled real estate for no other reason than greed.

Believe it or not, OPEC has jumped in when gas prices were too hing and pumped more oil to bring prices down! That seems counter-intuitive, but OPEC, led by Saudi Arabia, knows that when the world economy is in trouble, that hurts OPEC’s interest. The OPEC countries put their money in things like US treasuries, too, and hold lots of dollars in their reserves.

Think of it as being just like any other business decision. You have to find the right balance of supply and demand to stay in business, and the highest price is not always the best price, especially when the customers can’t afford it.

Yup. OPEC has saved us to save themselves more than once.

Memo to every media outlet worldwide: Stop giving Sarah Palin…,wait, I mean Bachmann any air time on all media! She’s still milking the airways for pocket money. No…, wait, She’s actually running. Oh…, She’s the flash in the pan people are talking about. Proof positive she’s in this for the money!

for the same reasons that the conservatives and their minions blame Obama for everything. It is for politics.  But rational people know that gas prices are influenced by speculators and the only reason they dropped from $4.11 in July 2008 to $1.89 by the time Obama took office was the market crashed. The only way Bachmann can bring prices down is to regulate commodity speculation. Anyone betting on that happening?

She’s a politician saying some stupid bullshit to get elected. There’s no way she can promise that, because it is outside the hand of any American – it is due to global supply and demand.

Whatever you might think of her, this statement must make one lose some respect for her.

No honorable person makes promises they can’t keep.

Why do people like Bachmann and Perry tell such monsterous LIES?  Do they not know people can actually check their facts?  Bachmann stated when Obama took office, gas was $1.79 a gallon.  What a dork she is.  In May of 2007, gas was 3.46 and predicted to go to $4.00 a gallon.  In May of 2008, it was still at $3.50 and again predicted to go higher.  In the summer of 2008, I remember well paying  $4.10 in my town.