This was Obama’s “genius” idea during the last State of the Union address, that students’ loans would be forgiven if they’d worked for 15 years or 10 years for the government.

Didn’t get any traction then, and it’s going to be laughed off the stage this time around. It’s these little brats’ own fault that they went to an expensive school to get completely worthless degrees.

so it’s the students’ fault that the unemployment rate is so high?

i thought that was obama’s fault?

No, silly. It’s the Republicans’ fault.

And Bush’s. And Koch’s. And Cheney’s. And Rumsfeld’s. And Nixon’s. And Reagan’s. And capitalism’s. And the banks’.

Did I leave anybody out?

I really don’t get you guys,

Out of one side of your mouth you say if you want a better life, get or improve your education for your betterment while out of the other side you say It’s these little brats’ own fault that they went to an expensive school to get completely worthless degrees.

And you have the nerve to call the left loons.

I hope stories like the one below also go mainstream:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_destroys_ca.html

My heart aches for people like Zizi.

Yes, big oil and the international Jewish banking conspiracy.

Yeah let’s all get on the gravy train. Isn’t that what obama wanted. Once the rich mans money that of course we want runs out then we can scavage each others homes for stuff we think should be ours. This mentally is of those that want what you have worked hard for while they were sleeping in, doing drugs and playing the ” I’m poor” bit. I agree with Cain, get off your dead ass, and stop trying to stuck the life out of someone that spent 16 hrs in an office, spent years going to college to get a degree. Yes Obama has turned this nation into a dangerously them against us game. However when bloodshed commences will it be Obama’s fault or will he BLAME the republicans for that too?

I went to college. Twice so far. My parents made the decision when I was younger that they wanted to pay that first burden and that I would pay for any advanced schooling. They could do that as an only child. I also worked during the Summers and was involved on campus. I paid for my graduate schooling by working for a year and not spending a dime.

If I wasn’t so blessed, then yes, I would have to postpone schooling or only do schooling at night. Instead of doing this, they chose to incur debt that they couldn’t afford for jobs that aren’t there for them. These individuals are transplants (a lot of the folks at NY schools are from CA I would think). They have nothing to complain about.

you can’t make both of these arguments:

1.  that the students’ were “stupid” for taking out a loan to get an education

2.  that the students’ are responsible for the unemployment rate

No, that’s the Bamster’s. It’s the students’ fault for choosing a school they couldn’t afford.

Fox News.

George Will insists on being intellectually dishonest, Krugman, Stiglitz and others made the case for a much larger stimulus and predicted with surreal precision how things would unfold when the size and composition of the stimulus passed in 2009 was announced

It’s Obama fault but he seems to blame everybody and their mother for everthing he’s done to this nation. However the mush heads are fed talking points and they regurgitate them on cue. Obama is after all a community organizer at best. He has managed to signal the youth on what and where he wants them to partake in. Namely, Ocupy Wall street, his biggest Campaign donators. How funny that most of the OWS people don’t know that. Plus the unions are heavily invested in this too because the union bosses will miss their million dollar retirements if republicans gain power. So as you can see bottom line, it is Obama’s fault, but of course Obama takes no fault for anything!

Krugman’s an idiot. That is all.

Now Bernanke is having to make up for the insufficient size of the stimulus with quantitative easing and is being called a traitor by far rightists for trying to stave off another depression with expansionary monitory policies which have been employed by fed chairs since the inception of the fed

That’s what you deal with when extreme right-wing becomes semi mainstream and ends up partaking in national dialogue

you can make these arguements :
 
1) that the students were “stupid” for taking out beyond their means .
 
2) that the students are responsible for their loans.

First students have  college and then they have vocational schools.  The government and states decided that vocational schools were not bringing in enough funds. (who is surprised) so they “tried” to eliminate the vocational schools and turn them into jr. colleges. (happened here in my hometown). Now students are seeing that all the required courses that are taken first don’t help them in their employment anyway.  Hense alot of them (the smart ones) have gone back to vocationals that still exist and get the training they need…for the vocation they want.  Now the government is claiming that students aren’t paying off loans. It would be helpful if those students, college or vocational could find jobs; however, the government has screwed that up too.

Of course “that’s all”, you people have nothing else to add.

What phd do you have to call an Nobel laureate an idiot?

Bernanke’s an idiot too. But at least he comes off as nice. Krugman doesn’t. So there’s that for Bernanke.

and bernake’s head should roll…

Students don’t have a  choice as far as colleges go.  It’s pay the tuition, books etc. or don’t attend. Those little brats, as you call them, are your future in this country. If they aren’t educated, they have no work to pay taxes etc.  Right now, the jobs that need people are those that probably don’t need an extra education. However; the students go to college so they don’t have to do the factory work.  It’s a better life for them but at this point…they are stumped. Yes, after all they went through, right now their degrees are worthless.

Your right, it is Obimbo’s fault.

See 10-Year Public Service Loan Forgiveness. 

http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/students/english/IBRPlan.jsp

So do tell me why Krugman feels the need to close down his comments section when he actively writes “mean” pieces. Can he not handle the attention that a Laureate brings? Tsk tsk.

You people….that follow politics and Krugman. Shame on us!

Imagine what President Sharpton would do if reelected .

It’s going to take years for this country to recover after The Big Wind from Chicago leaves .

“President Obama and his team have decided to turn public anger at Wall Street into a central tenet of their reelection strategy.
The move comes as the Occupy Wall Street protests gain momentum across the country and as polls show deep public distrust of the nation’s major financial institutions.
And it sets up what strategists see as a potent line of attack against Republican front-runner Mitt Romney, a former investment executive whom Obama aides plan to portray as a wealthy Wall Street sympathizer.
Many Democrats consider Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, the greatest threat to Obama when it comes to wooing centrist independents next year, and Romney this week has begun to present himself as a champion of middle-income Americans.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-plans-to-turn-anti-wall-street-anger-on-mitt-romney-republicans/2011/10/14/gIQAZfiwkL_print.html

Oh, you can bet it will be Bushes fault.  democrats are quick to blame republicans instead of taking an equal share of the calamity. There are alot of people out there that think we need to take what the rich have and share it with everyone.  Your blessed Obama thinks thats the way to run this country.  When the rich have nothing to give anylonger and the low life have used up all they can take from others….this country will be in dire trouble.  But meanwhile, just keep complaining that the rich need to share with you. it’s like seeing the baby  birds sit with their mouth open…ALWAYS expecting a hand out.

Goes to show that our well educated economists don’t have a clue either.

 And the real story about the coup which starts here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_CTNSAc_IU

A student loan is a legal contract. What part of that didn’t the students understand when they applied?! Did they think they were entitled to a free college educations on the backs of the taxpayers? They wanted that education to enter the capitalist business world and now that reality is hitting them in the face, they want “Big-Brother” to fix it for them even if it means giving up more of their personal freedom to this monstrosity called the Federal government!  

so how, exactly, are they responsible for the unemployment rate?

the unemployment rate was less than 7% at the time a lot of current seniors
in college started their freshmen year.  

they’re understanding was that they would find a job to pay of their loans.

but it’s a very typical authoritarian tactic to blame the most vulnerable members
of society (time rich/cash poor students) rather than the business leaders
and politicians.  

Differences Between Occupy Wall Street And The Tea Party for The MSM)

There was never a turd left on a Police Car during a tea party but there
was at least one left during an Occupy Wall Street protest.

After tea party rallies many people commented about how the protesters
left the area cleaner than how they found it  This is what the Occupy
Wall Street area looks like: (see link for pic)

No one at a tea party rally ever defaced the Stars and Stripes; the same can’t be said of the Occupy Wall Street protesters.

Tea party protesters never sent an email to politicians suggesting that
it was time to kill any group of Americans, but the  Occupy Wall Street
protests did.

Tea party protesters never made Anti-Semitic statements that “Jews Control the media and Wall Street;” Occupy Wall Street has.

Sadly, no one in the tea party movement has ever been paid to attend a rally. But some of the Occupy people get paid.

The tea party movement doesn’t have the support of this guy
(Olberdork) who supports the Occupy protests (but shhhhh we don’t want
it).

And finally, when the tea party started, it had no support from any
party, Democrat or Republican. In fact, the GOP establishment is still
not comfortable with the Tea Party.  Occupy Wall Street was immediately
embraced by the Democratic Party Leadership such as Nancy Pelosi …

http://bigjournalism.com/jdunetz/2011/10/16/differences-between-occupy-wall-street-and-the-tea-party-for-the-msm/#more-229988

ps, The TP didn’t sing F the USA and say we are worse than Al Qaeda. 

bullshit

a school is a school.  they’re all expensive in america.

taking out a loan is one of the ONLY ways students can get a decent education.

ok, so it’s obama’s fault.  not the students’.

thank you.  

ok

ok

I want to “buy” everything I want on credit and then I want all my debts forgiven.  (My student loans too!)

(Can you tell I majored in “Early Aztec Pottery Studies” and for some reason, after seven years in college, I can’t find a decent job!)

It’s so unfair!

nobody said it did.  

but the unemployment rate IS NOT THE FAULT OF STUDENTS’ W/ LOANS!

Liberals don’t believe in responsibility or self-reliance.  They think they are owed everything and will be violent to get it. 

B-I-N-G-O.

The only way the students can be blamed for the unemployment rate is if they are taking gov’t funds (not a loan) and are using them while not searching for employment.

I know someone locally that was using unemployment money and wasn’t actively searching for a job. She was going to school (well another round since the first rounds didn’t pan out). She just got a job as a bartender so I don’t know how that changes the unemployment money coming in. Maybe it’s cancelled. I don’t know how that works.

Either way, there are people out there that take unemployment and don’t search for a job.

Ah, you are capable of truth, though in the guise of humor.

Let’s not forget Holder!

Is this English? You’re just as bad as politicians with this banter. You don’t listen. You don’t understand what the rational people of OWS want, and you generalize the the movement because some camera man panned over a homeless drifter with a bongo. Read the OWS mission statement. I’m pretty sure nobody here has. Otherwise you’re comments would be a lot less ignorant.

No, they’re not.

One graduate school I was accepted into was $40,000. The other was $18,000.

You’re wrong Darla.

Option #2: Work for a couple years to offset SOME of those school costs. I think that kids shouldn’t go to school until they hit 20. They need the time to think about what they want. Half of the time, you’ve wasted on major tracks that you don’t eventually follow through on.

It may not be their fault, but they signed a contract and are responsible to pay the loan back.

Tuition inflation is somewhere around 1000% over the last thirty years while the median income has gone down. But go ahead and blame each and every one of the millions of students for their own poor decisions. They should have just taken their high school diploma to the old folks home where they can wipe asses for 8 bucks an hour. We’d have such a better economy if they had done that. 

I think the problem is that ‘students’ take out these huge loans for degrees that someone should have told them would not be advantages towards getting a job.  Thus making it near impossible to repay a massive loan.

A degree in Russian History might have been fun to get, but seriously unless you go on and get a doctorate to teach others about Russian History, is pretty much useless.  

Now a degree in finance, probably pays for itself quickly.  

I think ‘students’ have to realize that they might think taking a certain subject might be fun – it might not make sense economically.

Take a medical degree in cardia thoracic surgery – costs a fortune but pays for itself in a couple of years.

Perhaps if there was better direction for what degrees are marketable, things might improve.

Where did I state that it was? You are assuming things in this thread. Blame yourself.

“Occupy Wall Street” adopting the idea of debt repudiation is not just a “Conservative” ideal but a world wide ideal,  just like ”Love of Country” not Exclusive to Republicans or TEA party-ers! This boils down to jobs and the current 112th Congress has done nothing to generate jobs! These “freshmen” congress people were elected when they ran on legislating new jobs and then turn around and legislated non-funding the previous Congress’ legislation and against the Health Care Act passed previously! On the local level some bills in the house directly opposed abortion funding or stricter rules and restrictions rather than those jobs they said they’d produce! ”Occupy Wall Street” has signaled growing frustration with the antics of the extreme fringe of the Republican party! Inflation is another ploy utilized by right-wingers to defray the real topic of no jobs! Above that, this current Congress has not addressed the “Housing Bubble” and it’s repercussions through-out the country! Big Banks were saved, Wall Street was saved, the auto industry was saved, and TARP did produce saving of numerous jobs in America! To date nothing was ever done about the thousands of Americans under water on their mortgages and the predatory pricing and Realtor tactics utilized during the swelling of the bubble! The student loan debacle was allowed by unscrupulous financial wizaards who worked up schemes to catch unsuspecting students in a catch twenty-two position. Students were caught up in a cycle of damned-if-do and damned-if-you-don’t” cycle! Those with excellent education had no jobs promised by the Congress of 2010!

Do you have to waste so much space for something no one is going to read anyway.  We know you copy amd paste all the crap.  By the way it is Sunday where I live.  Why arn’t you in church with “the” black family?

I suppose you are smarter than Krugman?

Why would he waste his time reading posts from people that are trashing him?   

And you know this how?  Oh I forgot you are physic???????

The reason you don’t get “us guys” is because you’re not logical. Some liberal arts degree in Basket Weaving isn’t an education, it’s a 4 year party.

Part of going to college is planning for after college, which these little whiners didn’t do. They just assumed they’d be showered with jobs offers if they got a degree from an expensive university. There are thousands of people with 2 year degrees that’re more marketable than these chumps, and their degrees were much more affordable.

Liberals can’t handle anyone challenging them.  They are thin-skinned.  They can’t back up the idiocy they spew.

Plus, if there were statistics of the OWS supporters within the NY college system and whether they were in-state or out-of-state. I can understand a local person earning a Russian History degree if it was a minor in an Education field or they were seeking a PhD field. But to pay the out of state costs for that is weird. You can go to a community college and get the same major for far less. Name-brand schooling only helps you with getting networking contacts and perhaps a better job fair.

Now you’re getting it!

You might be a fleebagger if ? you think you’re cleaning up Wall Street by taking a dump in the middle of it.     

I think someone should wait a couple years and earn some money before you attend undergraduate school. Your brain hasn’t thought about what you want to be. At least not for 95% of kids, they haven’t thought about this.

Yes I did copy and paste it, hence the link sweetie.  And church doesn’t start for another 45 minutes.  I’ll be sure to pray for you.  I know how you libs hate that!

There are plenty of jobs out there that are hiring that require extra education. There isn’t enough supply in America, so the gap is being fulfilled by foreign nationals.

Just look at your prior comment about him and draw your own conclusion.

Here, for your convenience I’ll report your comment for you and tell me why should have to put up with being flooded with comments such as this:

WCinWI: “Krugman’s an idiot. That is all.”

You don’t leave some open and close others. That’s stopping the flow of freedom of speech, which is a principle of OWS.

Unemployment among people with a higher education is around 4%. These people are unemployed because they don’t have marketable degrees.

Considering that unemployment for college graduates is very low, it’s their own fault that they don’t have jobs. There are thousands of jobs requiring higher education which are being fulfilled by immigrants. There’s plenty of demand for worthwhile degrees out there. Their degrees just suck.

Considering that unemployment for college graduates is very low, it’s their own fault that they don’t have jobs. There are thousands of jobs requiring higher education which are being fulfilled by immigrants. There’s plenty of demand for worthwhile degrees out there. Their degrees just suck.

You sound like another confused Republican that has been drinking the Kool-Aid for way too long.  You’re just going after the little guy when they are being screwed over, but you’re not smart enough to get it.  

You’re welcome!

The far-left has run numerous stories that compares the Tea Party to the Wall Street demonstrators. This comparison is ridiculous and dishonest. The Tea Party rallies are orderly and law-abiding. Tea Partyers don’t destroy public or private property,crap in public, leave litter or graffiti in their wake. They don’t cost the taxpayers money for police overtime and extra security. The Tea Party’s main goal is to stop our government’s mad dash toward bankruptcy. In comparison the Wall Street demonstrators are Marxist revolutionaries, SEIU union thugs, paid agitators and community organizers. Their only goal is to destroy capitalism.

They’ve actually gone up about 300%. That ain’t Wall Street’s fault, that’s the university’s fault. So Occupy the Damn Universities instead.

You mean psychic…..

I don’t comment on Krugman’s post. I think he’s an idiot therefore I don’t read him.

Now, do go on about how he closes his comment threads.

Or:
If you thought a masters in “minority women’s studies” was an economically viable degree
Or:
If you think Alec Baldwin & Janeane Garofalo are profound political thinkers 
Or:
If you think wealth is so evil you’re going to protest until you get more of it.
Or:
If you think the 90% unemployment rate amongst post-modern, bi-sexual haiku majors was caused by Goldman Sachs

h/t Totus at TVN

Yes you’re the problem. You have been sold a bill of goods that Obama wanted you to take andiron with. The majority of the people out there are anti- America. Most of them have bought into capitalism and are too stupid to realize it. Kanyan West and Russell Simmons and Roger Moore go out there and stir the mush heads while they rip them off with there million dollar empires. They speak from both sides of their months. Obama promotes all this because he cannot run on his record, devastating this country with his incompetence. But he does know that this nation has become a nation of stupid people. Obama would not be in the White House today if people had not voted like if they were voting for American Idiol. Was Obama packaged like one, you bet. With his slim do nothing, accomplish nothing resume, you bet he needed the liberal media to prop him up. So I’m thinking youve been had and are to stupid to figure it out.

“You sound like another confused Republican that has been drinking the Kool-Aid for way too long.”

*LOL* Okay, what am I — a non-Republican, but you’re too stupid to actually challenge someone’s merits — so confused about?

“You’re just going after the little guy when they are being screwed over, but you’re not smart enough to get it.”

*LOL Again* Okay, so what have these little brats been “screwed” out of?

You’re not too bright if you thought Sarah was going to run for president.  Sounds like you didn’t take a sociology class or a critical thinking class.  If you had you would’ve realized that Sarah would only get on stage for personal attention it was never about the people. 

“It’s pay the tuition, books etc. or don’t attend.”   

Then why not protest the universities and their over-paid professors?   Why take it all out on the banks? They don’t set the price of tuition.

….and what is wrong with “factory work” if it means paying bills like student loans?  It’s far more admirable than camping out in a park crying about having it sooo hard.  This is the problem with many of the protesters. They think manual work is below them.  Even after the degree, they can expect to start at the bottom. That’s the way it is.  They should ask their parents and grandparents about it.

Like it or not,the idea of a nation of deadbeats(people who have debts but and no intention of paying them back) is probably not that far fetched and could even end up being inevitable.Think about it,how long will it be until this country has an economy strong enough to generate enough revenue so that most if not all debtors such as students have enough money to repay the debts? 5 years? Probably not 10 years? If we get really lucky. 15-20 years? That’s probably closer to reality.

Now it’s likely that at first those who are owed won’t just accept those kinds of time frames.At first they’ll go after students and such for the debt.After awhile once they have had a big percentage file bankruptcy (you’re gonna see that one alot) they will realize that it’s easier and probably more cost effective to forgive the debt than it is to pursue it through court and go after people who probably won’t ever have the money even if by then only a fraction of the original debt is at stake.

Democrats/liberals will side with the debtors because the poor or likely to be poor are their main constituency.The government under any dem/lib control either in the WH or congress will pass rules and laws designed to use tax payer money to fund and encourage debt forgiveness.

We;re headed toward debt forgiveness worldwide anyway.Look at all the countries that have massive debts.Some of that is already being written off but the way I see it the world economy may never generate enough money to offset all of the debt worldwide.People who make a living and/or profit from debt are going to get hammered at some point.Who knows what will come out of that but face it,it’s coming.Might be a decade even but sooner or later it will be reality.

So much debt was created before the economic collapse in 08 that was based on nonexistent assets and false values.There ha to be a reconciliation of that.

Hey lefties, does all this class warfare and attacks from the Democrats remind you of something? Come on now, put on those thinking caps………..dig down deep into those indoctrination addled minds.

Think of say North Korea or say Venezuela or say Syria. What do these countries and the Democrats have in common? They all blame an outside entity for their ills.

Hmmmm, maybe something to think about if you could put two cogent moments in a row together.

Please answer this one question. If we unload another 2 trillion into the economy and we get little or no results from the investment are you, Krugman, Stiglitz and the rest who are going to bankrupt our country going to pay us back.

Please answer this one question. If we unload another 2 trillion into the economy and we get little or no results from the investment are you, Krugman, Stiglitz and the rest who are going to bankrupt our country going to pay us back.

Remember, if it had not been for the $800 billion stimulatus, unemployment would be over six percent.  With another stimulatus, unemployment should fall to below five percent.  What’s wrong with spending $400,000 to create each job.  Hey, it’s only money, the money of our grandchildren.

Anyway, everyone here wants to thank several dogs in our neighborhood for creating by 6:00 every morning a number of shovel-ready jobs. 

If the students could afford it, then they wouldn’t be in debt, shit-for-brains.

If the students could afford it, then they wouldn’t be in debt, shit-for-brains.

I can’t wait until Sarah takes back the Senate and elects more Representatives. Palin’s supporters are more engaged then evah.

Enjoy that.

I can’t wait until Sarah takes back the Senate and elects more Representatives. Palin’s supporters are more engaged then evah.

Enjoy that.

the only assumption i see in this thread is “Instead of doing this, they chose to incur debt that they couldn’t afford for jobs that aren’t there for them. These individuals are transplants (a lot of the folks at NY schools are from CA I would think), thus they are paying out of state costs.”

you can tell it’s an assumption by the “i would think”…however, that’s extremely misleading, as you haven’t really done any thinking whatsoever, and haven’t provided any facts to back up your statement.

http://www.finaid.org/savings/tuition-inflation.phtml

Look at the inflation of college tuition compared to the rate of overall inflation. Keep in mind that the median income in America has been going down since the seventies. Can anyone here comprehend big numbers and apply social science to large population groups? Or are you all going to pretend that you’ve talked to every college graduate in the country and that you’ve concluded that they’re all entitled little crybabies? 

If you’re a Baby Boomer and you started out with nothing, then you started out with 10′s of thousands more than most of today’s graduates. Also, skipping college wasn’t as big of a deal when our country actually made things. US Steel and General Motors were our largest private employers in the 60′s and 70′s. Now it’s Walmart. Globalization has been driving more and more people into higher education since the 90′s because lower-skilled work has morphed from making things to transporting, storing and selling them. That morphing represents a big loss of incomes in the high school educated workforce and thus, a big incentive for people to go into debt to educate themselves. 

As far as blame, I say why waste your time? It’s just how our world has changed in the last few generations. What do we do going forward? I’d suggest some sort of trade law reform so we can stop pretending that we’re going to be a nation of white collar workers.   

If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck then it must be a duck. These people have been screwed out of the middle class by having to work three jobs, lack of health care, lack of pensions.  By calling them brats just shows your ignorance to the real problem. It sounds like you’re not using the right side of you’re brain.  

When George Will is right, he’s reallly right. Unfortunately, this well spoken sleazebag is only right about 10% of the time. Of course, OWS is going viral because it’s the first time in a long time that a social/political movement has given voice to so many millions of frustrated and really pissed off people. I’ve been down to the Wall Street protests many times now as my company has one of its offices in the area. The crowds are growing ,the resolve is growing and the articulation of what this is all about has been getting clearer. Our country has been mismanaged by a corrupt and inept business/political cabal. The entire Republican Party has been bought off along with most, but not all of the Democrats. The Republicans have been so adamant in blocking and distorting everything Obama and the Democrats want that it’s impossible to tell if Obama has any answers. The Republicans have nothing to offer which is why they will probably lose bigtime in 2012.  For sure, serious reform and change is needed, otherwise we will have larger and angrier crowds of citizens out on the streets everywhere.

Here we go with Tony’s ‘I hate college’ rant…

“I’m an engineer; I’m better than you science or art people!”

YEAH!!  Make them work the factories for less than a living wage, and expect them to pay back their inflated student loans at the same time!  THAT will teach them!  Go do manual labor, or service industry job while the chinese and the germans move ahead with energy, industry, and technology!

YAY, for backwards-@$$ thinking by old f@rt$!!

Now let me see if I’ve got this straight,…..Obama tells the youth to screw his biggest campaign donors by occupying Wall Street…..?????frizzymstarbaby2

YES!  EXACTLY!  Cuz you KNOW for a FACT that they ALL have BASKET WEAVING degrees, right? 

Jebus…you idiots who argue against strawmen are too easy.  It’s no wonder none of you value an education…

Nope – its 10.4% unemployed for newly minted College age. Source BLS. Take away the college degree and it goes up to 14%.

You will see that it will backfire on her.  If she had left the scene for a while and then comeback she would’ve been helpful, but since credibility has gone down the tubes her efforts won’t be very beneficial.   

Contracts are for suckers who don’t have the legal power to get out of them.

Corporations will just bully their way out of them. Happens all the time…

The rest of us–the poor, the weak, and the powerless–are expected to keep our word.

Might makes right, folks

Okay, so they’ve been “screwed” because they don’t want to work three jobs — something that billions of people around the world have no problem doing and millions are in this country to do what those lazy brats won’t.

And they haven’t been “screwed” out of health care. They’re not entitled to health insurance and they’re not entitled to pensions. People in the real world have these weird notions that you have to work for the things you want in life.

And to further mock your post, I’m thinking with the left side of my brain — the side that processes logic. You’re clearly missing that half.

Still waiting for you to tell me about these ‘skilled’ jobs that make $15,000 a year, Tony.

Get a job.

Ha Ha!

Even with his ‘stellar resume?’

Nobel and all?

*LOL* Okay, go find all the engineers, businessmen, doctors down at Zuccotti Park.

Oh wait, you won’t find them there because they friggin’ work for a living!

Or have so little grasp of economics and life that their comments are little more than bloated braggodoccio?

Ha Ha! Comedy!

“That’s stopping the flow of freedom of speech, which is a principle of OWS.”

It’s HIS site!

I wanna see YOUR birth certificate AND your transcripts, SATs, and a valid driver’s license!     

Young people are told that they need an education to survive in this country.  The colleges have raised their tuition by 250% or more in the last decade, therefore to get an education you must borrow money if you don’t happen to have $200,000 sitting around for tuition.  The schools are hugely overpriced considering that many of the professors are part time and get no benefits.  The presidents of many schools make as much as corporate or financial CEOs.  It all comes back to greed and an impossible situation for the student particularly the middle class.  It’s a catch 22, without money no degree and no job;  borrow to meet the demands of overpriced colleges and you owe for the rest of your life and in this economy, there are no jobs paying enough to pay back the loans and live.  Its definitely a no win situation for the young. 

Young people are told that they need an education to survive in this country.  The colleges have raised their tuition by 250% or more in the last decade, therefore to get an education you must borrow money if you don’t happen to have $200,000 sitting around for tuition.  The schools are hugely overpriced considering that many of the professors are part time and get no benefits.  The presidents of many schools make as much as corporate or financial CEOs.  It all comes back to greed and an impossible situation for the student particularly the middle class.  It’s a catch 22, without money no degree and no job;  borrow to meet the demands of overpriced colleges and you owe for the rest of your life and in this economy, there are no jobs paying enough to pay back the loans and live.  Its definitely a no win situation for the young. 

Is there a clock and calendar that I can visit to see how much time has elapsed since you said Sarah would sue Mcguinnes for his tell-all book?

Maybe you should be filling those papers instead of posting here?

What about the student who’s parents co signed. Student dies. Parents have to pay on loan. Or how about student is charged high tuition because that’s what’s happening now. They tell you it’s good debt, take it on, don’t worry you have 25 years to pay it back. They tack on fees , more fees, interest. Now that 23K loan ends up as 96K in about 10 years. Don’t think it’s possible? see defaultmovie dot com. Why should anyone lose their basic consumer rights as they have with student loans? Don’t think there isn’t something else going on here?

#1 precedence. These economists are students of the great depression. And simply historic facts show that when austerity was put in place in response to the undergoing recession at the time, things worsened and turned into the depression whereas expansionary monetary policy put in place subsequently reversed course

#2 evidence shows that even with this miniscule 2009 stimulus, things showed that the numbers where on the right trajectory until the stimulus ran out. It was not of sufficient size to propel the economy to be self sustained

#3 China’s 2009 and 2010 stimulus in response to out reduced output is the most clear cut exampl

My own words based on an amateur’s read and may sound
anecdotal but semi-consensus among established economists is that so called ‘Keynes-ism’ is what is called for in recessionary times

Naturally OWS loves debt repudiation and it will be loved by those who never pay their debts.  America has turned into a nation of worthless creeps who have no honor or morals.
 
If GW Bush the gutless one had refused to do anything at all and done absolutely nothing about the so called crash in 2008,  today a real recovery would be well underway and he would be touted as a genius and a hero.

College students graduating today have bleak prospects for finding jobs. Of the few that do find jobs, most of their income goes to pay back on student loans. These loans are predatory and designed to put the student into default with increasing interest rates. Please see the defaultmovie.com which is a quick documentary on the current student loan situation. 

The next bubble to burst will be student loan debt as it climbs to nearly 1 trillion. However; 3 states now provide education and are allowing state funds to go towards illegal immigrants ie the Dream Act. So we are going to educate those that are illegal in the USA but punish Americans born and raised here? I support Occupy Wall Street… and I am almost 60 years old. This is a wake up call to democrats and republicans that the people who VOTE, WE The People are tired of empty promises and special interests and payoffs. 

Yeah, unlike you I actually provide sources: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

Just a little over 4%. Their degrees are unmarketable, period.

We neede more people to THINK, not pray in this country right now.

Wake up America !!!!!…..What is happening now is a worldwide revolution…..started by the Arab Spring and racing all over the world……Every nation is getting on board…..It is not about lazy college students wanting a handout…..It is about havenots wantin g a piece of the pie….wanting to share in the bounty that God has put here for all humanity to use…..not for a chosen few…..He is God of the whole world…..He provided for the whole world…..no one should be hungry, homeless, or without shelter…..This is a moral …..We are our brother’s keepers…..frizzymstarbaby2

What if the student turns into a werewolf? Who gives a shit?

Education is a product, and they signed a contract in order to pay for it. If you don’t like the terms of the agreement, shop around or save up money just like with any other product purchase.

It sounds we should just have a race to the bottom.   Instead of letting people have productive and leading a dignified life you have no problem with people working really hard and getting sick and then going down the tubes.   Doesn’t sound very logical to me.   The country wouldn’t be very prosperous either.  

You’re not driven by logic at all you’re driven by fear.  I can feel the fear flowing from you.  But I understand you can’t help it fear controls a lot of your actions.  

Go look in the classifieds if you need work, bud. Do your own damn leg work.

Ha Ha!

Yoda002, your whining and strawman arguments were amusing — mainly because they’re so pathetic.

To reiterate: these little brats haven’t been screwed out of anything. Just like I said, thanks for validating that in the whiniest way possible.

Yoda002, your whining and strawman arguments were amusing — mainly because they’re so pathetic.

To reiterate: these little brats haven’t been screwed out of anything. Just like I said, thanks for validating that in the whiniest way possible.

Hope & Change

I am reading a book about the brain.  No kidding.  It explains why people are right or left and why it isn’t possible to change their beliefs because it is in their brains.  It is more complicated than this.  But this is the bottom line the author is making.

I don’t try to change anyones mind on here or anywhere else.  Now I know why.

Most of my life I worked at least two and sometimes three jobs.  I don’t see those kinds of jobs even out there in my area.  Anyone can get a job at WalMart or McDonalds but they will not hire you if you need to work two jobs because they want control of your schedule. 

A lot of things have changed since the old days.  My first “real” job started out at $6.25 an hour.  I had two kids to raise and couldn’t live on that so I worked two jobs.  It is posssible but the kids do suffer when these are the circumstances they have to grow up in.  I didn’t have parents to help out and in those days there was no government help.  If I had it to do over again in this day and age I might have made different choices. 

I think parents today raise their children with a desire to get educated.  That has been the way to make it in thuis country for many years.  Now there are no jobs for the educated and not many blue collar jobs either.  They are basically screwed either way today.  My sister works for the post office and she says that most of the older people that work there have college educations but came there because they can make more money there than teaching school or other jobs that need at least a four year college education.  So what is a kid to do today?  Maybe I am just old fashioned.

Yea so what should they do?  Go back to school?  More loans?

I am not sure if they realized when they signed up for school they knew there would be no jobs out there.

You sound like my dad and I am old. Have you read the classified lately?  Just curious.  Lots of Walmart and McDonald jobs.  $8.00 an hour isn’t going to pay back those school loans.

bullshit

i know, and have known, MANY students who work their asses off AND take out loans

and STILL can’t find gainful employment….cuz there aren’t enough jobs

you can’t have it both ways dude:  either the unemployment rate is too high, or it’s
too low.  if it’s too high, then how can you expect EVERY student w/ loans to pay off
to have a job?    there aren’t enough f*cking jobs, dude.  

or are there?  and if that’s the case, then i guess obama is doing a find job, right?

I don’t know or have known a single person that had the money to pay for their college education up front.  Most either got scholorships and/or loans.  My doctor is still paying off her school loans. 

billions of people around the world are working three jobs?

and that is what our middle class should do and just stop whining and complaining?

teabagger mentality in a nutshell

Nope. You are wrong. There are plenty of students with M.B.A. degrees that cannot get jobs. Too many ‘observers’ don’t know the harsh reality of our current job availability.

“Rich” is too big a bucket to contain all people with cash and capital. Consider:
there’s “old money” that is usually inherited wealth, there from birth and  not from a job;
there’s “annual income” that is all over the map now that some executives are compensated 400 times their firm’s average worker’s annual pay;
there’s “investment income” that is a double-edged sword–long-term stockholders really invest in the future of the business they take a stake in, but short-term stockholders trade the paperwork and never have a stake in the guts of the business;
there’s “deferred income” that executives of corporate executives receive as a reward for the reported financial success of a business however they can make it look on paper to the loss of employees and chiseling away of retiree benefits;
there’s “commission income” earned by sales persons everywhere, but in some banks it has derived from how many mortgages one could sign–with someone approving a person’s ability to have the loan and someone assessing the street value of the house–then bundling up the loans and selling them to a third-party such as your or my mutual fund.
Of these, three deserve our criticism:
1. corporate executives who demand celebrity pay and sit on each others’ boards to approve high compensation for each other;
2. short-term traders who make demands for profit but who do not become “owners” and
3. bankers who hurriedly, sometimes fraudulently, approve loans and even more hurriedly pass them off.

Who are the rich?  No one blames all people with money.
People who accumulate wealth through work or investment have earned it–usually. But, there are those who take exorbitant compensation in one year from a “job-making” enterprise and gobble up the profit side of the balance sheet. They sit on each others’ boards of directors and approve that for each other. They are like baby birds of prey, sitting with their mouths open and gobbling, gobbling, gobbling from the corporate profit sheet. It is possible to be predatory and be just as bad as the parasite.

Still didn’t answer the question. The money needs to be appropiated by politicians. From the 1st go around it was used to prop up the states and fill the back pockets of the very same people who  have an approval rate or under 10%.
There’s an old saying, “Screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me. The President rushed the 1st Stimulus and the results were pathetic, return on investment abysmal.If he had done his due diligence maybe he would have received a second bite at the apple.
Problem with this country is it has lost it’s backbone. If the OWS protesters wanted to make a statement they should tell the union crowd to get lost. They received bailouts and the payoofs from Stimulus. At least the banks paid back a share of the money given them.

You have a lot of rage Darla.

I’m still in my 20s so I have no clue what you’re talking about.

She’s already started the legal process. Maybe you don’t know how the legal calendar works.

class warfare

Arrrrrrgh!

Marxist
Arrrrrrgh!
destroy capitalism
Arrrrrrgh!
union thugs
Arrrrrrgh!
community organizer
Arrrrrrgh!

Olberdork
Arrrrrrgh!

long winded no job blogger

Arrrrrrgh!

Obimbo

Arrrrrrgh!

you mean ever

Arrrrrrgh!

Wall Street malfeasance crashed global economy. Investment banks and counterparties went full-on socialism and begged for tax payer bail out. NY fed forced payout to Goldman Sachs at 100 cents on the dollar (NO HAIRCUT). Tax payers paid the tab and the money party continued. MORAL HAZARD becomes moral cesspool.

If you make less than a million bucks a year (taxed as carried interest) you are nuts to support the status quo.

http://tinyurl.com/ylgfs5e

If you think the economy is bad now, wait until “debt repudiation” gets validated by the Obama administration. 

This is emblematic of a larger problem with the Left.  They live in a fantasy land where actions don’t have consequences.  They think they can spend money they don’t have.  They think they can borrow and conveniently forget the debt.  They think they can reward profligacy and irresponsibility without paying the piper.  They think they can set up government entitlements and structure them like Ponzi schemes.  And all of us pay for this blatant disregard of reality. 

Thank goodness, these folks will be out of power after next year’s election. 

They should be occupying their campus administration building then, not Wall Street. Why is tuition rising so fast? And why are people who are taking that tuition home supporting their students not coming to classes?

If you think the 90% unemployment rate amongst post-modern, bi-sexual haiku majors was caused by Goldman Sachs, #YouMightBeAFleabagger

They should get a job.

Can I take a crack at a hyperbolic description of the right?

They don’t give a shit. Go the ER and you only have two part time jobs with no health insurance? GFY. Kid born with a lifelong illness? Too bad, better figure it out. Small town factory just got shipped to Mexico so millionaire shareholders can make an extra .3% profit? Beautiful free market, baby. They want everybody to think it’s great the average American worker makes a little over $40K a year, regardless of what it costs to raise a family.

Get those trickle down economics! Just learn to love drinking the piss!

Did your kids have a father to help out?

“If a man is called to be a street sweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great street sweeper who did his job well.”

http://tinyurl.com/65lfgk

Better yet, just find the unemployed people with engineering degrees, medical degrees and MBA’s.

Most of these people don’t mention what the degrees they’re in debt for are. http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

Better yet, just find the unemployed people with engineering degrees, medical degrees and MBA’s.

Most of these people don’t mention what the degrees they’re in debt for are. http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

I’m still waiting for anyone to explain how living in Zucotti Park is going to solve anything.

Al Gore comes to mind.

Did he close the comments when he recommended an alien invasion as the solution to our economic problems?

All those rich people you despise? It’s their money!

See how that works?

You forgot one: There is “revenue” made by producing products or services that people want and are willing to pay for.

Just wait until we tell China about the awesomeness of debt repudiation!

No. If you want help from a Conservative, ask them.

The world does not owe you a thing and people get testy when you reach into their pockets to solve your problems.

The flip side of debt repudiation is savings repudiation. Unless your savings are invested in land or precious metals, someone has borrowed your money and is paying interest on it. If he or she stops repaying the money owed to you, then you are up sh!t creek.

You have got to be fugging kiding!

Mr. Will,

Just what do you call it when AIG, them frigging financial geniuses along with other institutions, came asking the FEDERAL government for help?

And they came DEMANDING help, like someone attempting suicide holding a gun to the head of a hostage, because if they went under they would be taking someone else along.

What was that Mr. Will? – Socialize the losses. Privatize the profits.

Until ALL the monies used to bailout Wall St. is paid back, IN FULL PLUS INTEREST, the American people have a pretty good reason to resent those most benefited by such large government intervention.

If one asks the teabagged HOW their taxes have increased the response is certain to be none. Yet, it is those same teabagged useless morons who feel threatened because the gNOpig talking heads tell them to be afwwaid, bewwy bewwy afwwaid.

Those same teabagged morons bi tch about “big gubbimint” – You gNOpig clowns, faithful lovers of free enterprise, you idiot teabaggeds, you should be demanding THOSE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS REPAY to the last cent PLUS INTEREST. You ignorant teabaggeds, you should be demanding NO SPECIAL TREATMENT for the LOSERS playing with sht loads of money, to be bailed out WITH TAX PAYER MONEY.

This is the irony. The teabaggeds, the peanuts, the know nothings, feel threatened as they keep sending their money to the oligarchy.

Everyone must understand
there are no jobs because prices are excessively too high, This cuts the
multitudes of the working class out of the buying market,  products just will not sell, this has been
brought on by the Wall Street Casinos’ where trading up and down causes
millions and billions in inflation through Profits for the Wall Street manipulators
of; put and call options, There is a good side of Wall Street, it is the part
who sells stocks to grow companies which produce things for our everyday needs.
We need to demand Wall Street dismantle the Gambling Casino sections of Wall
street, which produces nothing but profits by raising and lower the stock price
while they take profits, causing hyperinflation, killing our economy causing
job loss galore, taking profits and hiding and hoarding them overseas.. This is
also equal to sending our jobs overseas. This is a twofold job killer which
must be stoped. The leaders on Wall Street need to address this if the problem
is to be solved. They need to do it before anger turns into craziness like we
have watched on TV of overseas handling of these same problems. If the Tea
Party, the Billionaires supporting them and our United States Congress can’t see what is going on, it is because there are
too, too many personal and special interest involved on the part of the greedy
wealthy who are not looking at the real problem. How could they miss it?

You know there are many ways of looking at this problem.  One person gets a law degree and has offers for articling from all angles, others never get that far – what separates them?  Marks for one, attitude for another, presentation.  Just because you have a piece of paper doesn’t mean that you can coast and expect a job handed to you.  

My husband hired many young people and although an MBA got you in the door for an interview, he would tell me why he picked one over 6 others.  It was always an eye opener for me as to what my husband noticed.  The applicants had already gone through h.r. so these were on the short list.  It was always things that the applicant could have easily changed, if they wanted to. if they used their heads, but to my husband they were indicators that the person was a slacker.  

Also, I don’t know in other major cities, but in ours it’s pretty well known what professions are saturated and which ones aren’t.  Over the years I’ve seen #’s on nurses, teachers, etc that they were suggesting that there were more people looking than jobs so perhaps go into another field.  

Perhaps we’ve done young people a disservice by pushing them to further their education instead of pushing the borderlines into a vocation.  

Don’t know – the bottom line is that as far as student loans go, there are many young people who maxed out on their loans, coasted and now they’re up to their eyebrows in debt.  Others, worked 2-3 part time jobs and lived frugally and their loans were much more manageable.  It’s like any credit – doesn’t hurt at the time but boy can it bite you in the butt when you have to pay the piper.  

You know there are many ways of looking at this problem.  One person gets a law degree and has offers for articling from all angles, others never get that far – what separates them?  Marks for one, attitude for another, presentation.  Just because you have a piece of paper doesn’t mean that you can coast and expect a job handed to you.  

My husband hired many young people and although an MBA got you in the door for an interview, he would tell me why he picked one over 6 others.  It was always an eye opener for me as to what my husband noticed.  The applicants had already gone through h.r. so these were on the short list.  It was always things that the applicant could have easily changed, if they wanted to. if they used their heads, but to my husband they were indicators that the person was a slacker.  

Also, I don’t know in other major cities, but in ours it’s pretty well known what professions are saturated and which ones aren’t.  Over the years I’ve seen #’s on nurses, teachers, etc that they were suggesting that there were more people looking than jobs so perhaps go into another field.  

Perhaps we’ve done young people a disservice by pushing them to further their education instead of pushing the borderlines into a vocation.  

Don’t know – the bottom line is that as far as student loans go, there are many young people who maxed out on their loans, coasted and now they’re up to their eyebrows in debt.  Others, worked 2-3 part time jobs and lived frugally and their loans were much more manageable.  It’s like any credit – doesn’t hurt at the time but boy can it bite you in the butt when you have to pay the piper.  

Bad analogies, metaphors, colloquialisms and insults.  I’m not sure even you know what you are complaining about, with all those silly distractions cluttering up the comment?  However, I do believe you were the one talking everyone’s ear off at the Denver “Hooters,” last night?  (Not that I was there too)

Truthfully, I can’t actually comment on your assertion as it is so off kilter.  Typically, people such as yourself don’t have any idea what the Tea Party Platform is…Ohh, but you profess the final word!

Purveyor of Rhetoric

I thought all you Lefties were big on evolution and social-Darwinism?  What you just described in your Post was merely the cleansing of the gene pool.

The strong survive, the weak (you) perish!

Purveyor

You can thank Obama for the student loans that he took away from the banks, the student loans have a much higher interest rate thnt they had with the banks.  These kids are whining, do they look like they are employable.  I take a look at the mob, and all I see is dirty kids, looking for a hand-out.  If times are tough you do what you have to do to eat etc., not whine that someone owes you.  I don’t owe those kids anything, that out there pimping for the Obama and the unions.  I have worked all my life, at good jobs, without a degree, and if they had any spine they would be doing something rather having their hand out for freebies.  That is what this whole mob thing is about, who will give me more.  They should be protesting against George Soros, and his billions, but no they are protesting people that are trying to make a living, and happen to be Obamas biggest donors.

The financial collapse was a partnership.  A public/private partnership.  It has failed miserably.  It is not free markets that cause bubbles and outrageous tuitions – it is the combination of special interests working with government to corrupt the system.  The banks needed the FED and Fannie and Freddie to create the bubble.  In the end, the FED makes the banks whole, and bills the American people.  Many who are a part of OWS realize this.  It is sad but true, an economic reality: If the government garantees student loans thereby increasing demand for higher education – the price goes up.  We have “superstar” professors that teach 8 hours a week.  They are in high demand.  It’s the same with insurance.  It is NOT free market.  If it was, we could join any size group we wanted, ignoring state lines and negotiate the cost of drugs.  If you want more government (only just better somehow) you will get more of the same.  You only have to follow the money coming from Wall Street into the pockets of the establishment candidates.  Ron Paul offers a way out of this mess. 

More importantly, Pious Jeffy might be seen as a look into the tempest that has bred OWS. Slogans and recycled insults notwithstanding, there is some righteous indignation going on PJ’s post, and much of it is fact-based.

Which puts it in stark contrast to teepers’ consultant-developed (and increasingly tired) vocabulary of resentment.

If I was a fat cat right now, the fur on my spine would be standing straight up.

Your regular lecture on what I believe is right on schedule today. How could I possibly know what my beliefs were if I didn’t have you to explain them to me?

Alternatively . . .

As actual understanding of what “the left” believes is too hard a nut for you to crack, and your posturing as an amateur scold actually drives people into my camp, I’m perfectly happy for you to keep up your practice of regularly trotting out sanctimonious cliches that Glenn Beck would reject. Every fence sitter who reads you and says to him or herself, “Wow, those wingnut guys are real putzes!” is a win for the good guys.

So knock yourself out.

of course factory work might be a possibility if “free” trade hadn’t sent the jobs to totalitarian countries where sweatshop workers are paid only slave wages.

of course factory work might be a possibility if “free” trade hadn’t sent the jobs to totalitarian countries where sweatshop workers are paid only slave wages.

That criticism from the right might be worth taking seriously when Rush, Glenn and Hannity come out of their call-screened Neverland compounds and do an opposition program or debate

(Cough) There’s a substantial difference between evolution (a natural process) and Social Darwinism, a despicable and discredited excuse for resource-rich people to exploit the resource-poor. Historically, Social Darwinism has more to do with laissez-faire capitalism, eugenics, imperialism, and fascism.

So, no, lefties are not big on Social Darwinism.

yeah, she did wonders for the GOP in Delaware .

are the Boosh lovers going to pay us back for the Iraq war?

Since I don’t get my history out of Aryan Nation Comic Books, I’d have to say your comparisons are thunderingly stupid.

Unless of course financial criminals and their stooges are a “class.”

You might be a garden-variety jerk if:

You criticize shallow people by demonstrating your own lack of depth. And humor.

I think the primary differences between teepers and the OWS people is the teepers live in a cartoon while the OWSers live in the real world.

I turned down several job offers from major Early Aztec Pottery corporations. You must have been a real dunce in school.

OWS is just another way reality reveals its liberal bias.

It’s not fair, exactly, but the universe really is organized against rightwingers. I understand why you’re pissed off all the time.

Metaphorically, in the chess game you, I and IM LOVIN IT are playing, I’ve lost a major piece, say a Bishop (incorrect on social darwinism)?  

However, my substantive point and the game are mine, as my logic is “check mate.”

Purveyor

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NO COMMENT

Just because I knocked over that display of rare Aztec “funny looking” (tech term) jars.  The professor got so bent-outta-shape too!

Otherwise, I could have passed that class!

Again, it’s so unfair!

These indignant indolents saddled with their $50,000
student loans and English degrees have decided their lack of gainful employment
is rooted in the malice of the millionaires on whose homes they are now marching
— to the applause of Democrats suffering tea party envy and now salivating at
the energy these big-government anarchists will presumably give their
cause.

Charles Krauthammer