All they need now is a 24 hour pork BBQ joint .
Damn , I hope this happens ! Kudos Greg.

I absolutely abhor all of this anti-mosque nonsense currently going on in this country. It’s disgusting bigotry plain and simple.

General anti-mosque sentiment, sure. Anti-Ground Zero mosque sentiment, not so much.

Love, Love, Love, GREG!

If CNN or MSNBC were smart, they would hire Gutfield and put him on during prime time. This would do more to gain ratings than all the Eliot Spitzers in the world. But it will never happen, because Gutfield would never get the approval of the Thought Police who run those networks.

Pablo, yeah, while I think the Ground Zero community center and mosque is certainly within the rights of the developers and may be a good idea, I’m never going to tell, say, a 9/11 victim they’re wrong to have a problem with it. All of the other anti-mosque stuff detailed in the NYT piece, though, is bigotry plain and simple.
Should’ve been clearer on that.

greg is genius

i’m sure he thinks he’s being all snarky & shit, but as an 18 year veteran of the restaurant industry, i can tell you that there are a lot of muslims that drink booze. my gay friends have affirmed that there are lots of gay muslims. i think he’ll do good business, and his investors will get a good return on investment

UTTERLY BRILLIANT!

This is going to be very expensive practical joke.

Another view: Mischief in Manhattan

The Koran commands Muslims to, “Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book” — i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of “fitna”

So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the “Cordoba Initiative” and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?

Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
This is going to be very expensive practical joke.

The word you’re looking for is profitable. That man’s a frikkin’ genius.

They need a grocery store in the area . How about a Piggly Wiggly ?

I got a better idea. Build one of those places where gay people like Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Glenn Murphy, Jr., Bob Allen, and George Alan Rekers like to hang out.

But they’re not bars. What are those places called again?

Oh yeah, churches.

moople said:
UTTERLY BRILLIANT!

What the hell are you benchmarking against, a door knob?

Funk- Sorry to break the news, but Haggard has opened a church for ‘ everyone ‘.

Pablo said:
The word you’re looking for is profitable. That man’s a frikkin’ genius.

Nah. I don’t think the Gay community will appreciate being used as a manipulative provocation by closed-minded conservatives and will shun the place.

This will give a chance to those building the mosque, as well as their sycophant Left-Wing supporters, to show their true Tolerance & Respect for others!

In fact, I think someone should get Bloomberg’s thoughts on putting a mosque at Aushwitz! – Like the Ground Zero mosque, that could be a sign of healing between Muslims & Jews, don’t you think?

Would the mayor be lambasting Jewish opponents of the idea as Bigots & Racists, as well?

So , a synagogue they could’nt build nearby ?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Nah. I don’t think…

‘Nuff said, BFD.

Who’s Greg gutfeld?

The mosque will never get built.

Bootleghaircut said:
Who’s Greg gutfeld?

Some idiot who is going to open a gay bar named “Buttfields” next to a mosque.

Ted- said:
What the hell are you benchmarking against, a door knob?

Or possibly a weak retort like the one above.

so when did he come out of the closet? and did he tell his wife yet?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Nah. I don’t think the Gay community will appreciate being used as a manipulative provocation by closed-minded conservatives and will shun the place.

You obviously don’t know a lot of gay people. Intolerance trumps politics with those guys every time.

moople said:
Or possibly a weak retort like the one above.

Right there Einstein, either one of those will work. Jesus, do you tea-baggers practice stupid?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Nah. I don’t think the Gay community will appreciate being used as a manipulative provocation by closed-minded conservatives and will shun the place.

…but apparently you do think the Muslim community will appreciate being used that way by Christian-Hating Progressives, who support this INSULT to the families of those killed in the name of radical Islam!

btw, where is the “sensitivity” Progressives are so fond of dragging out whenever a ‘protected’ left-wing group is offended?
Perhaps the Imam here should be required – like police officers and others – to attend “sensitivity training” when it comes to INSISTING that this mosque be built on hallowed ground!!!

Kird said:
You obviously don’t know a lot of gay people. Intolerance trumps politics with those guys every time.

Actually I do.

BTW, Christians are pretty intolerant of homosexuality too and it will be cold day in hell before the Gays allow themselves to be used pawns between the two religions when they just want to have a drink and dance to Lady Gaga.

If that bar ever does open up it will be a haven for teabaggers.

Ted- said:
Right there Einstein, either one of those will work. Jesus, do you tea-baggers practice stupid?

Again. Weak. You can’t seem to make a point about the topic at hand without trying to bait me from the comfort of your computer. WEAK.

Haha. I’ve always kinda thought his show Red Eye was stupid, but this is kinda funny.

I can totally see Greg Gutfield spending a lot of time in a gay bar.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Actually I do.

BTW, Christians are pretty intolerant of homosexuality too and it will be cold day in hell before the Gays allow themselves to be used pawns between the two religions when they just want to have a drink and dance to Lady Gaga.

If that bar ever does open up it will be a haven for teabaggers.

Was that last line supposed to be clever?

Thanks for the out of left field lesson in Christianity; is Gutfield a pastor or something?

moople said:
Again. Weak. You can’t seem to make a point about the topic at hand without trying to bait me from the comfort of your computer. WEAK.

No, not weak. You think this asshole is funny. Doesn’t surprise me. You’re an ignorant tea-bagger who wouldn’t know funny if it bit Sarah Palin in her big fat dumb ass. Hope that clarifies things for you, you weak asshole.

Ted- said:
No, not weak. You think this asshole is funny. Doesn’t surprise me. You’re an ignorant tea-bagger who wouldn’t know funny if it bit Sarah Palin in her big fat dumb ass. Hope that clarifies things for you, you weak asshole.

Looking for an original thought in your pussy reply. Can’t find one.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
If that bar ever does open up it will be a haven for teabaggers.

Yeah, a gay bar in Lower Manhattan will never work without teabaggers.

*snicker*

moople said:
Looking for an original thought in your pussy reply. Can’t find one.

That’s because you’re a candy-assed tea-bagging moron. Hope that clarifies things for you dumb-ass.

Kird said:
Thanks for the out of left field lesson in Christianity; is Gutfield a pastor or something?

Ya ever notice that whenever the discussion turns to dialogue and common ground and cross-cultural outreach, Mediaite’s resident progg commenters start hissing like vampires in the sunlight?

Do all you people do here is call each other names? Its getting old . . .

Ted- said:
That’s because you’re a candy-assed tea-bagging moron. Hope that clarifies things for you dumb-ass.

Outstanding stuff, Ted. This conversation couldn’t have gotten off the ground without your valuable contributions. Don’t forget to wipe, k?

Thanks for raising the level of discourse here. Good luck with your emotional problems. Have a nice evening.
P.S. I am not a tea-party member—-at least try for some originality in your mindless, pussy attacks.

Pablo said:
Ya ever notice that whenever the discussion turns to dialogue and common ground and cross-cultural outreach, Mediaite’s resident progg commenters start hissing like vampires in the sunlight?

I thought vampires sparkled in sunlight now.

Ted, Jon Bershad thinks Greg Gutfeld is funny. Do you think he’s “an ignorant tea-bagger who wouldn’t know funny if it bit Sarah Palin in her big fat dumb ass?”

Gosh, Mediaite needs to ban some of you intolerant dumb-ass people from commenting on this site. Seriously.

I’m freaking crying! Gutfeld is hilarious. Genius! And, where can I send a check to support the effort. I’d also suggest throwing in women’s gym.

ted we can all smell your cunt from here, go kill yourself pussy

Yes, Greg! teach those intolerant Muslims some tolerance. Welcome them to the neighborhood with a case of K-Y Jelly!

Kird said:
I thought vampires sparkled in sunlight now.

While I’m tempted to lament my ignorance of modern pop vampire lore, they burn on True Blood, so I think I’m safe.

Constantly said:
ted we can all smell your cunt from here, go kill yourself pussy

New disposable name, notsofast? lol

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
New disposable name, notsofast? lol

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, BFD.

Surely the tolerant Muslims could not object to a gay bar. That would be bigoted. And we all know that only Christians are bigoted.

Jon Bershad wrote:
” I absolutely abhor all of this anti-mosque nonsense currently going on in this country. It’s disgusting bigotry plain and simple.”

Building a mosque near ground zero is nothing but a political move. Your statement that those of us who oppose it are bigoted, is untruthful & moronic.

Greg,

In Tribute to such a clever idea, I hear people south of Houston are going to be nailing Extra Quarters to the Floor!!!!

Jon Bershad writes
“Still though, the only thing that would make this plan perfect would be if Gutfield created a chain of gay bars and plopped them down next to churches and synagogues since it’s not like those religions have been super open-minded.”

….hey Jon, chuck the anti-Christian bigotry….many Christians (agape) love homosexuals, Islamists kill homosexuals on sight. As someone that has studied and turned someone from homosexuality to Christianity, your words are callous, insensitive and bigoted. Enlighten yourself please.

I think this is a wonderful idea. Greg’s gay bar on one side, a dog-grooming business on the other side, and a rib joint across the street. hey, why not? everybody has rights, ya know.

this issue is really very simple: just because the mosque CAN LEGALLY be built there, it doesn’t follow that it SHOULD MORALLY be built there.

Imam Rauf claims he’s all about tolerance and outreach. if that is true, then he should realize his mosque plan has had the exact opposite effect and he should stop. of course, if it’s not about tolerance and outreach, and instead is about conquest and submission (remember what “Islam” means), then the project shouldn’t be allowed to go forward.

listening to liberals pretend to care about “freedom of religion” is hilarious. these are the same people who hate that “under God” is in the pledge of allegiance, yet when the religion is Islam they suddenly bend over and say “take me”. why is that.

btw Pablo, I completely agree. Ted’s commentary on this thread has been nothing short of brilliant.

Pablo said:
While I’m tempted to lament my ignorance of modern pop vampire lore, they burn on True Blood, so I think I’m safe.

I hear that’s the one vampire show since Angel that doesn’t suck.

Pun intended.

Has Gutfield himself ever actually said that he was against gays? I honestly asking because I’m not that familier with him.

It seems to me many people here are quick to imply that he is without knowing anything. If Gutfield has said anti gay remarks over and over again and then did something like this I would question his motives. But if he hasn’t, why imply otherwise?

Kird said:
I hear that’s the one vampire show since Angel that doesn’t suck.

Alan Ball is a frigging genius. And gay as an Easter Parade. True Blood is very entertaining, but really just well executed escapist mind candy. Six Feet Under may have been the best series ever aired on the moving picture box.

lonestar77 said:
Jon Bershad wrote:” I absolutely abhor all of this anti-mosque nonsense currently going on in this country. It’s disgusting bigotry plain and simple.” Building a mosque near ground zero is nothing but a political move. Your statement that those of us who oppose it are bigoted, is untruthful & moronic.

lonestar, allow me to expand upon your edification to Jon Bershad, in that, it is a centuries-old custom in the Muslim ethos to build a monument or mosque upon conquered land, or one’s conquered enemy!

Pablo said:
Alan Ball is a frigging genius. And gay as an Easter Parade. True Blood is very entertaining, but really just well executed escapist mind candy. Six Feet Under may have been the best series ever aired on the moving picture box.

Thanks for the link.

Kird, if you haven’t seen it, Netflix has it all. I highly recommend it. In other news, Ball wrote American Beauty too. He is crazy talented.

dirk347 said:
Has Gutfield himself ever actually said that he was against gays? I honestly asking because I’m not that familier with him.

His regular sidekick (forget his name) is gay.

lanquihue said:
His regular sidekick (forget his name) is gay.

That is not true. Bill Schultz being gay is one of the many running gags on the show.

It will get blown up in no time

jess5691 said:
That is not true. Bill Schultz being gay is one of the many running gags on the show.

Okay, I seen the show all of about three or four times, and never the whole thing. I stand corrected then.

Reading the comments here makes one want to throw up. What a bunch of preening assholes. God, if a peice of shit hit you morons face first, you would ask if a teapartier tossed it. Greg is a comic morons…. duh.

For those who don’t watch Red Eye – Although politically conservative, Gutfeld (like the other two guys on the show, Andy and Bill) is very much a libertarian in regards to his support of gay rights and the legalization of drugs.

Actually in Islamic heaven not only do you get 72 virgins, who btw have butts a mile wide, true, but you also get 300 boys, boys who never age and drink with you. The boys never age and also ‘don’t bleed’.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEFRjeD2II

Something most people don’t know including many Muslims because many hadiths are in Arabic.

Latin2 said:
but you also get 300 boys,

Boy, Rush Limabugh would love that place if they supplied him with the Viagra.

So you get boy sex in Muslim heave, that is because in olden Arabian times men having sex with young boys was a norm. So the Prophet Muhammad promised men in his army that you would get fat girls, who were considered beautiful in olden times and BOYS in Muslim heaven for sex.

Funny thing is most Muslims don’t know this…lol because many can’t read the original Arabic passages, but are translated differently into other languages….lol

Latin2 said:
Funny thing is most Muslims don’t know this…lol because many can’t read the original Arabic passages, but are translated differently into other languages

And you don’t know it either. Where did you pick up that piece of garbage, hotair?

You get very BEAUTIFUL BOY SLAVES in Muslim heaven;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4cFsd3AeVs

And you don’t know it either. Where did you pick up that piece of garbage, hotair?

From ex-Muslim ARABS who read and speak Arabic. One used to be a Muslim scholar and has read all the suras and hadiths.

“I absolutely abhor all of this anti-mosque nonsense currently going on in this country.”

Oh shut up, you moronl, there is no ” anti-mosque nonsense currently going on in this country.”

There are simply TENS OF MILLIONS OF NON-MUSLIM Americans saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, we don’t want this memorial to the JIHADI KILLERS built on the GRAVES of 2996 who were SLAUGHTERED BY MUSLIMS.

You gave cover to BowellMove.org and now you kiss the ass of the jihadis.

Latin2 said:
From ex-Muslim ARABS who read and speak Arabic.

Yeah, right.

the real john t said:
Yeah, right.

lol…once again proving Liberals are stupid…the guy speaking IS AN ARAB and an EX-MUSLIM…duh.

…and here is the same person speaking Arabic…HIS NATIVE TONGUE…boy you are an idiot ‘the real john t’

http://www.muhammadtube.com/videos/3379/

http://www.muhammadtube.com/videos/4133/

Once again showing Liberals are idiots. So you get 300 BOYS in Muslim heaven…BEAUTIFUL BOYS…300 boys “who don’t bleed’

Latin2 said:
Once again showing Liberals are idiots.

Until you learn yourself to read Arabic, don’t even bother. Idiot.

the real john t said:
Until you learn yourself to read Arabic, don’t even bother. Idiot.

Do YOU read Arabic Beagle…I mean “the real john t”? Well the man in the video can and he explains what is the Quran and in the hadiths.

PLUS I even put the text in Arabic Google translation…and guess what…HE IS RIGHT…and you’re an idiot.

So what the Arab guy in the video is saying IS TRUE…and once again you are a despicable idiot and you get 300 BOY SLAVES in Islamic heaven.

I think this is an awesome idea. For the exact same reason I don’t have a problem with the Mosque being built there. We are America, and America doesn’t cop a little bitch fit over one building in New York. It’s the capital of the world for good reason, because of the diversity that makes us all richer. I throw that shit in any theocracy’s face and say “beat that!”

If you are worried that this makes some pathetic contemptible jihadist somewhere feel like he’s won, let him have it, we have America, we win hands down. I would be willing to bet more people would rather live in New York than any city in the world that restricts religious expression.

And if you want to build a Mosque in New York, you better be willing to deal with gay neighbors. Go Greg!

America! Fuck yeah!

the real john t said:
Until you learn yourself to read Arabic, don’t even bother. Idiot.

Here is are some suras from the Quran translated into English about Muslim men getting boy slaves in Islamic heaven….not mine, but theirs;

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5706/suraboysinheaven.jpg

Here is one of the suras that follow one of them I put in Google translation from Arabic to English that the Arab man is talking about in the last video I posted;

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2825/suradoesnotbleed.jpg

The English translation they posted on Islamic sites says those slave boys you get in Islamic heaven won’t get a headache from drinking too much wine, but when you post the last word in Google translation it says “they will NOT BLEED”, in other words the “boy slaves” in Islamic heaven will NOT BLEED. And the Arab guy explains in the English translation of that sura that they changed it to say that the slave boys in heaven will not get drunk instead of bleed…BUT why would slave boys get drunk in Islamic heaven in the first place?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4cFsd3AeVs

You get 300 BEAUTIFUL boys in Islamic heaven who won’t bleed…I mean get drunk.

;^)

Latin2 ,

In the first place, why are you so worried about what Muslims think about heaven? You probably think there are angels up there with wings on their backs. You are too stupid to even converse with. Good night.

Greg Gutfeld and Andy Levy are fellow Libertarians meaning 50% of the Republicans and 75% the Democrats hate them.

notsofast said:
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, BFD.

Why ya gotta bring El Gordo into this?

I think this is a great idea. Now the “open and tolerant” Muslim worshipers at the mosque can show just how tolerant and open they really are.

Jon Bershad said:
Pablo, yeah, while I think the Ground Zero community center and mosque is certainly within the rights of the developers and may be a good idea, I’m never going to tell, say, a 9/11 victim they’re wrong to have a problem with it. All of the other anti-mosque stuff detailed in the NYT piece, though, is bigotry plain and simple.
Should’ve been clearer on that.

Then would you agree that it would be intolerant of muslims to not want an gay bar next to the mosque that caters to gays muslims? Or how about an art studio that specializes in cartoon like pictures of Allah and/or Muhammad.

@dandmb50
Explicit sex shops showing all kinds of disgusting objects would also be great on either side of the mosque so we can increase the tolerance to sexual behavior gay or straight. And on the sex shops, have a big front window with all kinds of sexual aids. We must build bridges, and let people do what the want, and actually encourage sexual freedoms. How about mid-east women mannequins provocatively dressed while pulling off their head dress.
We must get beyond all this unpleasantness between the races/religions around the world. We need acceptance and understanding among all peoples.

Daniel .. Toronto, CANADA
http://bit.ly/bKGa13

While this may seem like a bit of a brilliant plot, it’s pretty silly. The gays are famously picky about where they want to hang out, and unless you’re in Hells Kitchen, the Village or Chelsea, the appearance of one mere gay bar is not nearly enough draw to get any self-respecting gay folks to trudge all the way downtown for a shot of pomegranate juice. Especially in a neighborhood that’s *dead* at night. Secondly, there’s ALREADY a pretty popular gay party in NYC that’s geared toward Arab and Middle-Eastern men — Habibi — http://www.myspace.com/nychabibi, so the niche already has a competitor. If Greg is serious, he should re-tool this. NYC doesn’t need another bar, but it sure could use donated office space for the organizations that are working to assist and provide political asylum for gay men and women whose lives are threatened in the countries where they live. For more info, see the excellent documentary “Jihad For Love,” which you can watch in its entirety on LogoTV’s website: http://www.logotv.com/video/a-jihad-for-love-full-documentary/1607744/playlist.jhtml.

More Liberty said:
Then would you agree that it would be intolerant of muslims to not want an gay bar next to the mosque that caters to gays muslims? Or how about an art studio that specializes in cartoon like pictures of Allah and/or Muhammad.

NYC has a number of laws that restrict where bars and porn shops can be located in relation to houses of worship. Kind of wierd that those on the right who have supported that kind of thing, even lobbied for it, would be celebrating a gay bar being built next to a Mosque. Might not be a good precedent.

“Still though, the only thing that would make this plan perfect would be if Gutfeld created a chain of gay bars and plopped them down next to churches and synagogues since it’s not like those religions have been super open-minded.”

I totally agree with this statement. I mean, I would, if Christian and Jewish countries made it law to execute homosexuals for being…homosexual.

Jon, you ignorant slut.

This is not some altruistic act. I doubt most homosexuals will appreciate being used as sarcastic devices in a hateful ploy.

Hateful? Why is it hateful? Don’t you believe in building bridges?

Let’s see, a gay bar on one side, a Hooter’s on the other side and a synagogue across the street. Now that’s outreach.

the real john t said:
In the first place, why are you so worried about what Muslims think about heaven? You probably think there are angels up there with wings on their backs. You are too stupid to even converse with. Good night.

Sounds to me like the guy kicked your ass, and now you’re changing the subject.

valkyrie101 said:
Kind of wierd that those on the right who have supported that kind of thing, even lobbied for it, would be celebrating a gay bar being built next to a Mosque. Might not be a good precedent.

Yeah, they should do what that other guy said, put in an art shop displaying cartoons of Muhammad going down on a rabbi or something like that.

Seriously, the sole purpose, and everyone with half a brain knows this, of building that mosque, is to poke a finger in the eye of America. Yes, I would love to learn that New Yorkers poked right back. Good enough for those assholes.

Pablo said:
Hateful? Why is it hateful? Don’t you believe in building bridges?

Even cynics have to read between the lines here.

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Would anyone in this wonderful country have a problem with a strip mall that has a rape crisis center next to a halfway house for violent sex offenders next to a child day-care next to an adult book store owned and operated by a convicted child molester next to the office of the Westboro Baptist church and finally occupying the last space, a gay rights alliance office?
I think the only people with an issue would be the people that want to tell you that you are wrong and until you think like they do, their will never be dialogue and tolerance.
Unfortunately, as a war veteran and one that has studied religions, I understand that people who are narrow minded or just ignorant easily accept the interpretations of religion not the actual writings.
Should this group have the right to build -YES-, should this group have the foresight to see that would be a mistake -YES- . This is nothing more than a small group of Muslims trying to get attention from a stunt that will cause ill feelings and not help.

THIS IS AN INSPIRED ARTICLE. Of course you KNOW there are no gay Muslims.
And, because they hate dogs, how about a dog shelter for homeless mutts.

I forgot to mention that there would also be a truckstop accross the street…

As a gay man, I have to say that this idea is FABU!
If I may make a request, can you get Michelle Obama to perform there?
Everyone love an ugly tranny show :-)

I think this is a great idea. The gay muslim’s can get married at the mosque and have the reception right next door!

It’s progressive!

mikepower said:
It will get blown up in no time

Who would blow it up and why?

Heh.

http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Gutfeldgaybarnames

To BFD, Ted and Cancon1: Do all three of your mommies know that you’re using their computers for more than just to see porn of them, from the nights that the three of you were conceived?

One more oral session tween your three mommas and your three daddys (no one really knows who they are) and the three of you (BFD, Ted and Cancon1) would have been consumed and NOT conceived.

BFD; YOU are the most moronic asshole other than Berserk O-Bozo to ever walk the face of the earth. Have you evolved enough yet, so as to be able to stand on 2 legs?

“Still though, the only thing that would make this plan perfect would be if Gutfeld created a chain of gay bars and plopped them down next to churches and synagogues since it’s not like those religions have been super open-minded.”

I don’t recall many Christian or Jewish leaders supporting thier old laws of KILLING GAYS. There are many Islamist leaders who support Sharia Law, which does.

Minor difference, but I think significant.
Also…
Kill your wife if she cheats, (or just if you accuse her of cheating, maybe she just got old.)
Marry multiple 11 year old girls and make them your sex slave from the moment they first menstruate.
Beat your wife if she disobeys.

I can’t see what is wrong with Sharia Law, can you?

lanquihue said:
Yeah, they should do what that other guy said, put in an art shop displaying cartoons of Muhammad going down on a rabbi or something like that. Seriously, the sole purpose, and everyone with half a brain knows this, of building that mosque, is to poke a finger in the eye of America. Yes, I would love to learn that New Yorkers poked right back. Good enough for those assholes.

First of all, the Mosque is really not that close to the 911 site. Two blocks is a long way in a city of skyscrapers. Secondly, as has been pointed out, there is a Mosque in the Pentagon building, and has been for the past nine years. Of course nobody objected. The objection now over the 911 site mosque is just ginned up hysteria for political gain.

…and most New Yorkers are way to savy to fall for that.

Pat Condell ably articulates everything that’s wrong about the mosque at Ground Zero.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

valkyrie101 said:
First of all, the Mosque is really not that close to the 911 site. Two blocks is a long way in a city of skyscrapers. Secondly, as has been pointed out, there is a Mosque in the Pentagon building, and has been for the past nine years. Of course nobody objected. The objection now over the 911 site mosque is just ginned up hysteria for political gain.

The wheels from one of the planes actually landed through the roof of the building on the same location the mosque want to build upon.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Nah. I don’t think the Gay community will appreciate being used as a manipulative provocation by closed-minded conservatives and will shun the place.

You don’t know the Gay community. They love tweaking the noses of people who condemn their lifestyle.

After the initial press dies down (and how many New Yorkers are actually up on things like this?), no one will even remember who owns the place. What will matter to the gay community is that 1. it is a gay bar, and 2. it is an Islam nose-tweaker.

Besides, if the jihadists at the new mosque decide to bomb the place, well there you go.

-

MartiniShark said:
The wheels from one of the planes actually landed through the roof of the building on the same location the mosque want to build upon.

Well, I assume you are not a New Yorker.

valkyrie101 said:
Well, I assume you are not a New Yorker.

Meaning . . . ?

MartiniShark said:
valkyrie101 said:
Well, I assume you are not a New Yorker.
Meaning . . . ?

You need to scroll up and read my prior two posts.

I read them. You implied the site was located nowhere near the scene, yet it obviously is within the debris field if significant plane parts fell on the location.

Valkyrie said: “The objection now over the 911 site mosque is just ginned up hysteria for political gain.
…and most New Yorkers are way to savy to fall for that.”

MartiniShark said: “The wheels from one of the planes actually landed through the roof of the building on the same location the mosque want to build upon.”

Valkrie says: “Well I assume you are not a New Yorker.”

Look up the Muslim concept of the “Victory Mosque.” You may start at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House
… to see what the real agenda of this mosque is. The particular site is the Burlington Coat Factory building that was actually damaged by the landing gear of United FLight 175.

Under Sharia law, non Muslims in conquered territories are referred to as “dhimmi” and are subjugated with lesser rights than Muslims, but greater rights than those not considered to be dhimmi.

A “Victory Mosque” is always built as a perpetual reminder of this subjugation and the conquest that made it possible. Allowing them to build on a site damages by the attacks of 9/11 would be ceding defeat.

Does this help?

valkyrie101 said:
First of all, the Mosque is really not that close to the 911 site.

To which I replied, The wheels from one of the planes actually landed through the roof of the building on the same location the mosque want to build upon. Therefore, it has to be that close.

MartiniShark said:
Does this help? To which I replied, The wheels from one of the planes actually landed through the roof of the building on the same location the mosque want to build upon. Therefore, it has to be that close.

There was wreckage spread all over the a several block area, yes, you are right. But the central issue of this matter relates to our committment as a nation to support our Constitutional freedom, not discard the Constitution which is exactly what our enemies want.

Hey shark, check out this link to the Republican GOP Convention logo. They put a minaret on it. I am proud of the Republicans for their committment to religious tolerance, though I am shocked they would go that far.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/does-the-2012-gop-convention-logo-include-a-minaret-or-is-it-a-cupola.php?ref=fpblg

Well I do not think denying them access to this property is being hostile to Muslims or an affront to the constitution — it is denying them access to this particular plot of land. There are building permits denied to religious groups all over the nation over numerous, and more trivial, reasons; that is not the same as a denial to a right to religious expression.

Nice move. I can’t wait to see what happens next…. Even in the Netherlands we do not have a gay bar next to a mosque. Greetings from Rotterdam

MartiniShark said:
Well I do not think denying them access to this property is being hostile to Muslims or an affront to the constitution — it is denying them access to this particular plot of land. There are building permits denied to religious groups all over the nation over numerous, and more trivial, reasons; that is not the same as a denial to a right to religious expression.

You are right about that. Zoning laws are often cited as a reason for a Church to be denied permission to build in certain areas, etc. Perhaps there are other religious structures in the area already, and the zoning otherwise permits it. Thus, to deny the mosque would be both a free exercise violation, and an establishment violation. By permitting the mosque, we send our own message to the Islamics around the world, to wit: we will not compromise our freedom no matter what you do.

The libertarian view on this is clear. Besides advocating that churches not be eligable for tax exempt status, and thus treat churches and non-profits the same as other money raising operations in an unregulated capitalist environment (think, wild west, with having to check your weapons), it would, as a matter of principle, always permit a use without regard to race, creed, or color. Therefore, the mosque must be a go for libertarians.

oops, “without” having to check your weapons”. Big difference. I suck.

I’ve taken the time to read all of the comments here and I am very offended at your comments. As people who claim to be ‘tolerant’ and modern world citizens, your comments and attitudes towards Islam, other religions and people in general repulse me. I have found that many people have double standards and are not respectful to humankind in general. There are many comments that are false, all of the so called ‘hadiths’ that were posted. I don’t understand how people can be tolerant but at the same time be so disrespectful of people from other cultures and from your own. Stereotypes are not healthy and the attitude of many of the posts are racist and hurtful that I find it hard to believe that their authors can be called liberal and open minded, two traits that are essential in dealing with such sensitive religious/racial issues.

farah said:
I’ve taken the time to read all of the comments here and I am very offended at your comments. As people who claim to be ‘tolerant’ and modern world citizens, your comments and attitudes towards Islam, other religions and people in general repulse me. I have found that many people have double standards and are not respectful to humankind in general. There are many comments that are false, all of the so called ‘hadiths’ that were posted. I don’t understand how people can be tolerant but at the same time be so disrespectful of people from other cultures and from your own. Stereotypes are not healthy and the attitude of many of the posts are racist and hurtful that I find it hard to believe that their authors can be called liberal and open minded, two traits that are essential in dealing with such sensitive religious/racial issues.

This is a place of expression. Expression preceeds resolution. Freedom rules.

Forget the strip club idea. Get these muslims something they can really use: an indoor goat farm. Think profits, Greg. Profits.

Haha I wonder if greg got the idea from the pork processing plant article a few days ago. This was hilarious.

Pork Plant Opens Next to Mosque Next to Ground Zero
http://rancornews.com/nymosque.html

This is based on a false premise. While he claims that this would be the “first” bar to cater to Islamic gay men, there are actually already gay bars for Muslims in cities around the world. By the way, New York hosts a monthly Habibi party which is for gay Muslims. And guess what? They serve alcohol. Not all Muslims are forbidden from imbibing. That’s a sectarian distinction, and it’s pretty stereotypical to make that kind of generalization.

Also: There are some segments of Judaism, Christianity and Islam that persecute gay people. But it is false to say that these religious communities are all completely anti-gay. In New York, there are many churches that are outspoken supporters of gay rights. Also, there are at least 2 gay synagogues in New York. Why do we let fundamentalist Christians have a monopoly over what Christianity has to say about gay people? There are other Christian sects. Do their beliefs matter less?

hey Pablo…so lets say, God forbid of course, one of your kids is killed by a drunk driver. Do you think it’s ok if Smirnoff went a put up a billboard on the spot where your child died?

“Jon Bershad says:
“August 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm Jon Bershad(Quote)
“Mediaite Staff
“Pablo, yeah, while I think the Ground Zero community center and mosque is certainly within the rights of the developers and may be a good idea, I’m never going to tell, say, a 9/11 victim they’re wrong to have a problem with it. All of the other anti-mosque stuff detailed in the NYT piece, though, is bigotry plain and simple.
“Should’ve been clearer on that.”

Jon,

Please explain what is wrong with being bigoted against a religion that seeks to murder millions of us, and enslave the rest.

If Islam teaches that thieves should have a hand cut off, what do you think they’re going to lop off of the patrons of Gutfeld’s gay bar?

murf said:
All they need now is a 24 hour pork BBQ joint .
Damn , I hope this happens ! Kudos Greg.

I’m not worthy.. I’m not worthy… you da man.

You know what? When the Saudis sign off on a building permit for a church in Riyadh, we should CONSIDER… just CONSIDER… issuing one for a mosque on Ground Zero – before tacking the form on the inside of a bathroom stall for processing.

Davs Richards said:
hey Pablo…so lets say, God forbid of course, one of your kids is killed by a drunk driver. Do you think it’s ok if Smirnoff went a put up a billboard on the spot where your child die

I’d be surprised if anyone thought it would be acceptable to make it illegal for them to do so – even more so, those people who in almost all other cases champion the rights of businesses to exercise their full abilities under the law.

More to the point, even if this was a mosque (rather than a cultural center with a single room for prayer) and was next door to ground zero (which it isn’t), religious freedom only matters when it supports “unpopular’ religions, just as free speech isn’t truly free unless it gives people you don’t like the right to say things you don’t believe in.

“Insomniacs around the country already know that Red Eye is underrated genius.” ???

WTF?

Genius my arse…this man is so stupid that he has been on his show quite a few times making fun of homosexuals and putting down their lifestyle but now is opening a bar to cater to their lifestyle?

That’s what you call genius?

You sure don’t ask for much do you, lol

How can I donate to the cause?

Greg is one of the funniest men on the planet. LOVE YA, GREGERS!!! Can’t wait to see that Islamic Gay Bar opened for business. lmao!! Sweet revenge……!! Priceless.

valkyrie101 said:
The libertarian view on this is clear. Besides advocating that churches not be eligable for tax exempt status…

Based on conversation with libertarians I know, there wouldn’t be much federal taxation of any sort if they had their way. So I somehow doubt this would be the crushing blow to organized religion that you would want. (The Islamic faith excluded — which, I’ve noticed, gets kid glove treatment from you, while you foam at the mouth about every other creed.)

I think a catchy name like “Bearded Bottoms!” would really pack’em in there!

sarainitaly said:
Pat Condell ably articulates everything that’s wrong about the mosque at Ground Zero.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.html

while I agree with Gutfeld on the subject of tolerance being applied to every party equally, I have to take anything a “right-leaning” european has to say on Muslims with a grain of salt. Christian, especially Catholic, Europe is the birthplace of anti-semitism, and the current stronghold for all Muslim-centered racism in the world. Once it became unpopular to blame the Jews for all that’s wrong with the world (somewhere around 1945) all arab nations were rapidly placed on the podium formerly occupied by all european jews.

As a professional in the culinary field for over 15 years, I have travelled throughout Spain, Italy, France, England and other small locales only a train ride away thoroughly…… and have consistently been amazed at the level of hatred directed at Muslims; and not for the reasons that Americans typically espouse toward Muslims, but for the reasons that Americans typically espouse toward Mexicans.

Here’s a perfect example from a farmer/butcher in Bourdeaux….”F***ing arabs, they want to take all our jobs and live in free houses provided by the socialists in the government!” Ring a bell?

before you wish to take anything said on a euro-blog as the honest truth about what is happening worldwide, check your sources.

Oh jeez, I almost forgot…… Michelle never checks her sources and believes everything she reads!

If you don’t believe me just look throughout her ‘copy-and-paste’ submissions to this site – not a single original thought and not a single ounce of discretion used against any source, provided they don’t already agree with the mass-media spoon-fed argument she’s intends to make!

Oh really, it was just the Christians who killed Jews?

Here is what the Quran says about Jews, Christians AND ATHEISTS;

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html

I think most of the posters are “tongue in cheek” comments but the bottom line is the 1st amendment.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Seems pretty clear to me, and what happens, if your religious freedoms are next? It’s a slippery slop and although I don’t agree with it, you must allow this to be built. And where is the money coming from, has this been an issue when Catholics or Jews build a church? A lot of this is a smokescreen for hatred.

Daniel .. Toronto, CANADA
http://bit.ly/bKGa13

dandmb50 said:
A lot of this is a smokescreen for hatred.

Daniel .. Toronto, CANADA
http://bit.ly/bKGa13

…it was hate that brought down the 9/11 towers and murdered 3,000 people.

The building of ground zero mosque IS HATE….because they were offered FREE land in another location but refused it, even knowing that it would make the family members of those who died feel better. There is hardly any Muslim population in that area because it is mainly a commercial area, and the largest Muslim population is located in Brooklyn. There are HUNDREDS of mosques in locations where there is a large Muslim population that can service Muslims in New York.

Ok so what’s the reason of teasing the muslims with this bar ?

Me,as a muslim,i will ignore it as it wants muslims to object for 2 reasons

to gain a lot of attention and prove muslims to be not open minded , i know some muslims will object to the idea

but what about building something that reminds the jews of the holocaust near a Synagogue (Jewish Church)

i guess they will be Super open minded !!!, and the one who built it will be called antisemitic and i won’t be

surprised if he was judged and went to jail for the rest of his life !

omarguenena said:
Ok so what’s the reason of teasing the muslims with this bar ?
Me,as a muslim,i will ignore it as it wants muslims to object for 2 reasons
to gain a lot of attention and prove muslims to be not open minded , i know some muslims will object to the idea

Really? So you think a lot of Muslims will be offended by Greg’s Islamic gay bar? But you don’t care about all the Americans offended by the WTC mosque?

You’re part of a minority that demands tolerance and sensitivity, but refuses to extend the same courtesy.

I hope a Hickory Farms and a dog kennel are opened next to the WTC mosque too … and maybe a shelter for abused women.

valkyrie101 said:
This is a place of expression. Expression preceeds resolution. Freedom rules.

while i understand, and promote, freedom of speech, it’s only applicable when the ‘facts’ are actually correct. Also, I don’t think ‘expressing’ oneself should be at the expense of other people and fuel racism. Comments, like those in many of the posts above, are spewing hatred and are untrue. I hope people will educate themselves before they comment on sensitive issues such as politics and religion, rather than just put out falsehoods into cyberspace.
posts like these are making me lose faith and optimism in mankind’s spirit to do good.

farah said:
while i understand, and promote, freedom of speech, it’s only applicable when the ‘facts’ are actually correct. Also, I don’t think ‘expressing’ oneself should be at the expense of other people and fuel racism. Comments, like those in many of the posts above, are spewing hatred and are untrue. I hope people will educate themselves before they comment on sensitive issues such as politics and religion, rather than just put out falsehoods into cyberspace.
posts like these are making me lose faith and optimism in mankind’s spirit to do good.

Islam is not a race. There are people of all races in Islam, yes even white Americans. It is a religion like Mormonism or any other religions, which means it is not special, nor above criticism.

As for “posts like these are making me lose faith and optimism in mankind’s spirit to do good”…you should start off in spreading that in many Muslim countries first, because they need it.

Farah is it false that you get young boys in Islamic heaven to serve you wine and “other things”? Then why is it in Quran? I can prove it, and why is it there? Farah are you saying the Quran is spreading falsehood?

Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.

Comments like these breed hate, regardless of whether it’s called racism or not, and I don’t think that’s healthy for our human population. I am an American so it disturbs me to know that the ‘land of the free’ is plagued with such vulgar and immature comments such as these in our modern times.

How are you to judge what Muslim countries need? Are you an expert in that field? These countries have problems like the rest of the world and they don’t necessarily promote Islam, which stands for goodwill, peace and love-regardless of the West’s impression of it.

I have a question for you Latin2: why are you attacking Islam? I did not bring anything up about religion or race: only that we should be tolerant and that posts like these are breeding hate. Why stoop so low as to try to find ‘falsehoods’ in the Quran? How are you to judge the Quran out of context? These things are irrelevant to my argument, if it should be called one. Once again by bringing out these claims you are judging people- something that does not help promote peace and globalization. If you are interested in knowing the truth, I will ask people who actually know and understand the Quran to explain the verses that you have quoted, as I myself am not certified to judge what is written. I think people should be more cautious than not when expressing their right to freedom of speech, rather than throw things out there without proof, because incorrect ‘facts’ do not help anyone and can have negative consequences.

I think a pork BBQ place is too plain for this area. They should make a major porcine cuisine restaurant thats open 24 hours a day that creates great pork (and other dishes) 24 hours a day with windows open where everyone can smell the pleasant scent of the food!

I would think there is some way to create some upperclass strip joints in the area too but i dont think thats even possible.

I assume that Greg Gutfeld is a homosexual? Is this his real purpose for wanting to create a gay bar?

Please have a big men/s room..

Piss on the Koran. Screw the Koran. Calling all gay muslims, come on down and let it hang out all night. Swing to the sweet sounds of Allah having sex with a monkey.

Well, it’s his right to do it, right? I had more to say, but I think I will refrain. I already know too many people will use it to avoid the point.

It is very doubtful this would be a financially successful venture. It sounds more like some sort of lunacy. I think it would be better to put a butcher shop next to the mosque that sells only pork and alcohol or any other food not for Muslim use. Or, better sell pork as beef on special to Muslims. They could sell Polish Sausages to the Muslim Gays, the Quran says nothing about the use of pork up the old hole in the oasis crack.

Can’t WAIT to hear the reaction to this one! After the reaction to burning Korans a few weeks ago, I’d expect something big. Who do I contact to invest?

As someone living in an all Muslim country right now, i think it is funny. I am an American and i am in Afghanistan. It is funny that the Koran condemns homosexuality when it is quite the norm here. That being said, by American standards so is pedophilia and that is quite normal here as well. I just find it humorous that someone has found a constructive way to exploit the hypocrisy in a religion. It has been done quite often in Christianity and its just funny that its happening to a religion that now dominates the globe and has such violence tied to its wrongdoings, fairly or not. Perhaps it is just one of those ironies that make America such a unique place.