Eugenie, unless you have lost a child, perhaps you should shut your trap and not comment about how someone else handled it. 

It amazes me, the lack of compassion from the left on this subject. ER should apologize just as Alan correctly did.

Liberals have no problem describing and then ridiculing one of the most cosmic moments in a mans life. It’s as if, because they disagree with you, you’re not a real person. You are simply something they see on TV and know they are supposed to sneer at. I wonder if Rachel Maddow would find it distasteful to simply describe the process of late-term abortion on her show. And I wonder if, after giving the description, Ms. Maddow would describe a politician’s wife who had received one as “very weird?”

It’s strange how “liberals” think it’s weird to morn the loss of a child the Santorums intended to have. But than again, if put into a similar situation, a typical “liberal” would of just thrown the child out with the garbage. To us normal people, that would be weird. So maybe it’s all about perspective. The perspective differences between human beings and unthinking collectivist drones.

I would never vote for Santorum but that judgement isn’t based on how his family grieved. My advise to reporters, commentators and strategists  is to leave this subject alone.

I’d love to hear what the tealiban would say if Michelle Obama had induced labor at 20 weeks and then slept with the dead fetus. Hard to imagine them lauding her “expression of grief”.

But the bigger issue is that Santorum would deny every other woman in the US the same right to choice that he and his wife took advantage of.

I don’t know anyone who thinks it’s weird to mourn the loss of a wanted baby, but absolutely everyone I know thinks the idea of sleeping with the corpse is carrying the concept of “mourning” bizarrely far.

As for your statement “But than [sic] again, if put into a similar situation, a typical ‘liberal’ would of [sic] just thrown the child out with the garbage.” you are simply equating your vulgar and uneducated assumptions for facts; to us normal people, that’s pretty weird, too.

  Sleeping with the Dead Body, Then taking the DEAD BODY home and Having show and tell for the kiddies is screwed up.  Let alone that Decomp had started.  They had this body over 24 Hrs.  The body would have started bloating, Gone through rigor  and so on.  Depending upon how long they had this body, the smell should have knocked thier ass out by then.  They need some Mental Health Help, not your pitty. 

I can’t believe it. Now ER is after the Santorums for having a completely normal reaction to the death of their much wanted and beloved child. We went through this whole thing yesterday on Alan Colmes threads where OBs and neo-natal nurses and parents who have lost babies saying the reaction was completely normal and appropriate. They had to grieve for the loss of their child before they could go on.

I hope parents of preemies who have been born and died and those of stillborn babies go after Robinson and RM with a vengeance. Grief counselors are now saying that what had often be done to these parents was so damaging. They would whisk the child away as if it had never been born. The parents never had a chance to grieve and often had mental problems and severe depression. Psychologists always say those who have had the chance to really grieve the loss fair much better. The Santorums had a wake and a funeral for their baby.

I’m so incensed that the Santorums laid the baby to rest 15 years ago and are now having to deal with it again that I won’t deal with RM’s and ER’s other lies and distortions. I hope ER is being bombarded with emails saying his thoughts are weird – for a supposed human with any heart at all.

I agree that this is something that should not be discussed and I hope you are as
outraged by Rick’s behavior regarding another family’s personal tragedy. 

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/rick-santorum-terri-schiavo-6633360?src=rss

I don’t think it was disgusting taking the baby home.

I think it’s kind of a nice thing to pay your last respects to a child that was never born. I mean, we wince and say eww but, if the baby looked like a person I don’t think it’s so freakish. I think it’s really sad.

It’s a shame people are using it as ammunition… but if Santorum wants it to be illegal to perform the same operation used on his wife, I certainly can’t defend him, although I am sorry for his loss.

I think it’s a valid topic in the sense that the American have a right to know whether or not an aspiring president might bring aborted dead babies into the White House.

Wouldn’t it have been more appropriate, from a Republican standpoint, for Rick to kill his wife so the baby could live longer?  Isn’t that what Republicans stand for?  Can any of you Republicans help me with this?

And remember, people. Killing an infant seconds before its birth is perfectly normal.

Are you saying that the Santorums have a right to privacy?

Man-on-dog. LOL.

I don’t think it was a “Weekend At Bernies – The Early Years” kind of thing. Still, though, kind of weird in a sad sort of way.

It would have been appropriate for Trevor for the child to live until he was in kindergarten or perhaps first grade and then kill him.  However, Trevor would even be happier if after they killed their son they killed a few police officers.

I think it’s appropriate to be aware that the Obamas have celebrations at the White House for cop killers.  Some people, like Trevor, support it while most don’t.

You didn’t answer my question.  Why are you pro-choice in the case of Rick Santorum?

Sometimes I want to reach through the screen and smack you silly sam, but I realize that you’re about as stupid as my shoe so it wouldn’t accomplish a thing.

the child lived for 2 hours. 

You obviously don’t know much about fetus formation.  The baby looks like a person rather quickly. 

What are you talking about that Santorum wants to make illegal?  You don’t seem to understand that there are laws on the books and Santorum can have a personal opinion that he bases his life on that have nothing to do with governing. 

I can hardly wait to see all the foul disgusting things the left is going to hurl at him.  Fasten your seat belts, it’s going to be an ugly ride.

Who is Sen. Sanatorum? 
As I learn more about Sen Santorum I have several questions about his family narrative: (1) Did Sen.Santor­um received government handouts? (2) Did his father and mother have real jobs? They worked for the government­. These questions come from the reading below:

“Aldo Santorum [Sen. Santorum’s father] called the GI Bill the greatest gift he received. He gave back by building a career and family around veterans hospitals.­­”

“We always lived on the campus of the veterans hospitals. It was called the domiciliar­­y,” said Sen. Santorum . “I always joked that I spent my childhood living in public housing.”

“After returning from the war, he earned a psychology degree from St. Francis College in Loretto, a graduate degree from Catholic University in Washington and a doctorate in clinical psychology from the University of Ottawa.”

“He then went to work for the Veterans Administra­­tion and that is where he met my mom,” Santorum said.

“Catherine Dughi worked for the VA as an administra­­tive nurse, and both were assigned to the VA hospital in Martinsbur­­g, W.Va. After having three children — Barbara, Rick and Dan — the family moved to the Butler VA Hospital in the early 1960s, where they stayed for more than a decade.”

Read more: Psychologi­­st Aldo Santorum devoted career to fellow veterans – Pittsburgh Tribune-Re­­view http://www­­.pittsbur­g­hlive.co­m/­x/pitts­bur­ghtrib­/obi­tuari­es/ne­ws/s­_71913­5.h­tml#ixz­z1­idR6TM1y

From your standpoint, Rick Santorum and his wife conspired to murder a baby. Why are you so willing to look the other way on this one?

they did not have the body over 24 hours.  The baby died at 3 a.m. and they took the baby home for a couple of hours (if that).  Santorum’s wife is a neo natal nurse and she knew what kind of grief the entire family goes through when something like this occurs.  She knew the proper way to handle it, and allow the children to grieve and deal with it.  You know absolutely nothing about the grieving process, but you do know about slime throwing and seem to excel at it.  I suggest you bone up on what grief couselors are advising before you spew your hate filled garbage.

p.s. as someone who’s been there and got the rush treatment (because that was the way it was done back then)- the grief one goes through alone because spouses weren’t even allowed in the room while you were miscarrying carries it’s own long term issues, so I’d suggest you shut the hell up (in a nice way of course). 

every time you post, you prove your ignornance.  Now, just quit.  Your knowledge about childbirth and medicines used, is less than zero so just give it up and shut up. 

Her labor was not induced. She went into premature labor becasue of a severe uterine infection. She asked the doctors to stop it and they said it would be malpractice to stop it because she would die and so would the baby. She then allowed them to speed it up because of the stress on her and the baby.

I’m not a tea party member but very conservative. I know I and  I believe others would say nothing as to how she Michelle Obama would express her grief. If it came up, I can only imagine that we would all say: “To Mr. and Mrs. Obama we send our prayerful condolences on the loss of your beloved child.”

Please read up on grief and expressions of grieving. You are sorely lacking knowledge of the process. You will find information from grief counselors, psychiatrists, and OB and neo-natal nurses. Nothing the Santorums did was out of the ordinary. Karen Santorum was in neo-natal intensive care for many years.

when you read the “intelligent” comments from the left, it makes one shudder.  There is absolutely nothing sacred to them.  They will say obscene hurtfull things about any republican, and think they are being profound.  They are morally bankrupt ideologues with not a shred of compassion or understanding for a fellow human.  Somehow they don’t think about the hurt their ugly words inflict.  After all, it’s about a republican so anything goes. 

I wasn’t even talking about childbirth and medicines.  I was talking about Rick Santorum’s decision, from your standpoint, to murder a baby.

Inducing labor and then death by natural causes is a far cry from cutting a babies spinal cord and throwing it in a hazardous waste bag.

Guess what genius.  The Santorum’s are the ones that brought it DIRECTLY INTO THE PUBLIC EYE.  So before you go spouting your righteousness you should look at the facts.  Or at least read the article.

Really? Bring aborted babies into the white house? Why do people like you exist?

Yeah it’s strange to bring a corpse home to cuddle with.  Republicans are creepy.

Bravo, seek!

Cuddling with a corpse that long after death is not a healthy way to deal with things. It’s not even an issue for the sane.  We have some crazy creepy people posting here.

The funny thing is, is that republicans just have to open their mouths and disgusting things come hurling out.  We just talk about them. lol

“for example, with the story of how he and his wife handled the stillborn child whose body they took home to kind of sleep with and introduce to the rest of the family. It’s a very weird story.”

How valid is Eugene Robinson and Rachel Maddow opinion hen hey can’t even get
the basics of the story correct? What was the point of falsely stating the child was still born? Would acknowledging the child was alive when born, humanize the life of the child? Would that skew there abortion stance?

“As I’ve said before, the fact that Karen Santorum publicized the event means that, to some extent, it is an appropriate subject for public discussion.”
Only if ya get the facts straight,Changing the facts, lying about the facts puts this sort of public discussion into the sick and twisted realm. What was the point of
Eugene Robinson lying and Rachel Maddow not correcting it immediately? If your going to use this story for public discussion ya better have all your ducks in a row or this is just perverted voyeurism. Using the death of a living child to politically mock an opponent is below gutter sniping.

There is a reason MSNBC remains one of the lowest rated cable new channels.

The only thing more traumatic for a parent than losing a child is finding out your child is dating a black person. 

I don’t understand.  Are you unaware that Rick Santorum brought an aborted baby home to see the kids?

That’s one of the most stupid and judgemental things I’ve ever read on this or any other board. Was is your intention to try and stir the pot by being intentionaly assinine?

Well, you can write a letter or something.  But the fact that they aborted a living baby will probably play worse than you’re thinking.  Precisely the opposite, actually.

Eugene Robinson and his ilk have a deep sickness of the soul.  They are stupid, ugly and repulsive and no decent person should care what such people have to say about Rick Santorum’s dead child, politics in general or anything else.  Which means, of course, that Gene will be making multiple appearances on MSNBC from Morning Joe through O’Donnell every day for the foreseeable future.

Precisely, I sympathize with how Tommy presented it, but again, it’s the Santorums who made the issue public. They invite scorn and ridicule for what they did. 

I tend to agree with Tommy, that people deal with this kind of grief differently and it’s not something you should project upon to decide how they “should” have handled it.
That said, I did wonder how old thier kids were that they took the corpse home to.

No way, he should not, and Colmes should not have either. This is giving in to the ad misericordiam logical fallacy. Yes, Santorum was WEIRD to have taken a CORPSE home to show to his 5yr old and 3yr old kids. Unvarnished truth. 

Tommy, we all deal with the deaths of loved ones in different ways, and differently when the death is from disease in the elderly than we do when the loss is of a child. I have only my own experiences of losing both parents to cancer and my adored husband by his own hand, but no one has the right to judge Senator and Mrs. Santorum on how they handled the death of their beloved baby. I imagine that it was easier for their children to come to terms with the death of their baby brother since they actually saw the baby and he had a name- his death was real for them, not just some sad words from their parents.

As I’m sure you know, children are very keen observers, but very poor interpreters and they often engage in “magical” thinking. The Santorums seemed to be trying to do the right thing for themselves and for their children, and Eugene Robinson and Rachel Maddow should apologize for making judgments about things about which they know nothing. Their lack of compassion is appalling.

How Rick deals with the death of his own child is not somethng he should be cortisized for. That said , there is plenty in his views about social policy that deserve a lot of criticism as well as accusatons of corruption.

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
- from “Babbit”, by Sinclair Lewis

I’m pretty sure that’s what Mr. Robinson was talking about.

(Psst – your avatar name is what they call a “tell”.)

GTFO. You people do the same. Maybe you should read what was said to Rep Jackie Spier of California by RW bloggers when she described in the US House what happened that led to a needed abortion. They said far harsh things than “weird.” 

Perfectly put. Illusive-Man has a vacant cranium. Don’t mind him. 

I get it: to you, “cop killers” is code for a celebrated & talented poet who wrote a song lyric in support of a political exile. How very clever, very deep & very winger putzy of you.

I think it would be appropriate from a human standpoint for you to stifle the urge to post this crap.

He should have kept it private. He chose to share it. You better believe it that the rightwingers would not have been as kind had it been Obama doing  it. I find the act disturbing and it does not matter who did it. This is not a partisan assessment. If some of you wingnuts find it’s ok, power to you. 

“There is a reason MSNBC remains one of the lowest rated cable new channels.”
I suspect it’s more because the sorts of loyal human who spend their days & nights watching Fuppet News tend to be ignorant bigoted old white folks who’ve been nurturing their personal failures & resentments since they inherited them from their parents. There’s got to be at least 10 million of those bitter twisted amateur lawn care enthusiasts, of which Roger Ailes only has to rope in a fraction to make the FNC model work for advertisers. 

“I don’t understand”.  That’s an understatement.
Are you unaware that Rick Santorum brought an aborted baby home to see the kids?
The baby was not aborted. According to the American
Pregnancy Association. Advice to parents of stillborn babies
(Santorum’s son was born alive but lived only a few hours):

“After the tests are completed, you will usually have the
choice to spend time alone with your baby. You can find comfort in
looking at, touching, and talking to your baby. Most parents find it
helpful to make memories of this precious time that will last a
lifetime…
With the loss of your baby, your family members will also
grieve. Your baby is someone’s granddaughter, brother, cousin,
nephew or sister. It is important for your family members to
spend time with the baby. This will help them come to terms
with their loss. If you have other children, it is very important to
be honest with them about what has happened by using simple and
honest explanations. It is your decision whether you would like the
children to see the baby. Ask for a Child Life Specialist at the
hospital; these are trained professionals who can help you prepare
your children for the heartbreaking news, and prepare them to see the baby if you wish.

So how weird is this story really? Seems like the Santorum’s were following the advice on how to grieve.

It’s creepy and no psychologist would advise handling the death that way. Quite a morbid tale. The really sick part is showing the corpse to the kiddies. No need to put innocent kids through that crap. My sister passed away when i was still young. She was younger than me. I do not remember anything at all. I prefer that than to remember seeing a dead body at that tender age. 

You are so right.

Exactly like Santorum respected the privacy of the Schiavo family.

He’s a Catholic and had he been in a Catholic hospital, his wife would surely not be around today had that emergency taken place. 

Mostly agree, but you’re wrong about Colmes: a fake liberal Fuppet is REQUIRED to apologize on FNC. It’s right in the Roger Ailes master script.

”
The only thing more traumatic for a parent than losing a child is finding out your child is dating a black person.”

Of course it is. Loosening the white cape may help relieve the trauma to your brain. 

It’s beyond weird – it’s ghoulish. Santorum is a ghoul, as are all so-called Pro-Choice types who employ cheap pyrotechnics to cause grief to women in distress & cause nutbars to murder doctors.

“Karen Santorum was in neo-natal intensive care for many years”
That certainly explains why they’re married; if she could go thru all that & still join in with this extra-creepy ghoulish foolishness, they’re made for each other.

“After all, it’s about a republican so anything goes.”
I wouldn’t have it expected that to be so, but the more one learns about the authoritarian mind of self-styled Conservatives & mindlessly meme-repeating Republicans, the more I see the social utility in their self-immolation. 

And yet, I absolutely agree with Mr. Robinson on this, and so many other things.

You are wrong and sorely misguided.

From the American Pregnancy association about how to deal with premature births and deaths and stillbirths:

“After the tests are completed, you will usually have the
choice to spend time alone with your baby. You can find comfort in
looking at, touching, and talking to your baby. Most parents find it
helpful to make memories of this precious time that will last a
lifetime…
With the loss of your baby, your family members will also grieve.
Your baby is someone’s granddaughter, brother, cousin, nephew or sister. It is important for your family members to SPEND TIME WITH THE BABY. This will help them come to terms with their loss. If you have other children, it is very important to be honest with them about what has happened by using simple and honest explanations. It is your decision whether you would like the children to see the baby. Ask for a Child Life Specialist at the hospital; these are trained professionals who help you prepare your children for the heartbreaking news, and prepare them to see the baby if you wish.” 

They also suggest bathing the baby, taking photos as a keepsake, or even singing a lullaby to the baby.

Wait, Rachel Maddow, who is billed as a “Rhodes Scholar” and “Journalist” and Eugene Robinson, who is billed as a “Pulitzer Prize winning Journalist” are the same as “RW bloggers?”

You are uniformed and most likely ignorant. You expose yourself in even the simplest arguments. But the saddest thing is, you think that equating bad behavior with other bad behavior makes you virtuous. I don’t know whether to blame you or your parents. But please, do us all a favor and refrain from voting. Thanks.

Do see my post above.

The psychologists, grief counselors and Child Life Specialists who work with the American Pregnancy Association know nothing – according to you.  /s

If you haven’t lost a child, then STFU.

Cry me a river hypocrite.

What the Santorums did is weird to liberals because they don’t value life.  If you don’t value life, then it makes sense that you don’t understand why a family would grieve over the loss of a child.  Of course these are the same people who want women to prevent the baby from even reaching that stage via abortion.  Why would they grieve if a baby dies when they have no problems with it being destroyed at an earlier stage in the pregnancy?  

“Cuddling with a corpse that long after death is not a healthy way to deal with things. It’s not even an issue for the sane.  We have some crazy creepy people posting here.”

The American Pregnancy Association says your wrong!
The American Pregnancy Association is a national health organization committed to promoting reproductive and pregnancy wellness through education, research, advocacy, and community awareness.
http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyloss/sbsurvivingemotionally.html
Saying hello, goodbye, and making memories:

Here are a few ways you can make memories with your baby: You can give your baby a bath and dress them in a special outfit. Before leaving the hospital you can take the a piece of this clothing to have as a keepsake.
You can take pictures of your baby.
The hospital staff can give you an imprint of handprints and/or footprints.
You may want to take a lock of your baby’s hair.
It may seem odd at first but you can read a story or sing a lullaby to your baby.
If you would like, the nurse can record your baby’s measurements.
You probably have also named your baby by now. Be sure to tell the hospital staff as soon as possible so all documents can have your baby’s name listed.
You can have your baby christened or blessed while in the hospital.
A baptism certificate will also be given to you to keep.

Do you have anything other than your uninformed opinion to back up your “not a healthy way to deal with things. It’s not even an issue for the sane” claim?

Hint: there is no standard correct way to grieve, unfortunately you will find this out for yourself some time in the future, we all do

You are so wrong.

 What a hateful person you are. How do you know she was not in a Catholic hospital with a Catholic doctor? I would assume she was. That baby was coming no matter what.

Now your hatred and ignorance of Catholicism is coming out.

You know Rick Santorum seems to do quite a bit of judging himself so why can’t people do likewise.Or is it just a classic case of IOKIYAR.

I’d tell you to shut the f@ck up because you’re missing a link but you won’t quit. 
Honestly, you just keep proving your ignorance and seem proud of it.  You fool, they didn’t “murder” any baby.  She gave birth to a live baby!  How dumb are you?

Liberals are valueless and worthless.

Karen Santorum had no “operation”. She went into premature labor because of a uterine infection. She asked the doctors to stop the labor and they refused saying it would be malpractice. They then speeded up the labor to reduce stress on the mother and baby.

I am glad you are respecting the Santorums rights to mourn and grieve for the child. A grandma on another site says she did not get to hold her granddaughter born at 21 weeks. But her footprints were perfect and she treasures them..

Conservatives are scum sucking assholes.

Is that why Cons are always starting wars?Yep ‘they sure do value life.

Better yet,Santorum sucking assholes.

No, they INDUCED the birth of a live baby. They ABORTED the pregnancy.

What a well written post.  Thank you. 

Grief is such a personal issue, for Maddow and Robinson to even comment is completely out of line. 

You are so obtuse. Because she was a neo-natal intensive care nurse, she had dealt with this many times and knew what she wanted to do because she had seen it done so many times.

well, it sort of tells us all we need to know about you.  A close minded know-it-all with a microphone and no common sense. 

I knew there was someone for everyone out there!  Glad you found yours and didn’t even have to join match.com

Grow up, and get a freaking life fool. 

Your parents are still hoping your “mate” walks on two legs. 

Ya, you are a true humanitarian.  I don’t value life?  Do I, as a liberal person have value?  Do you value my life and my right to believe what I want to believe?

I found the advice from the American Pregnancy Association and posted it elsewhere on this site. The Santorums did just what they are suggesting. And a OB nurse said taking the baby home is frequently done. I think the Santorums did not want to bring the children into the scary hospital but have it be in the home.

I was thinking the posters on this site were just woefully ignorant on grief and grieving. Now I’m convinced they are just haters and I give up.

WOW – the left has gone from making fun of someone who loves a Downs child to making more fun of someone who suffered the loss of a newborne.

It doesn;’t get much worse than this.

Dan must be really really proud of the lot he has working for him here.

Geez.  you folks are pretty sick.

from “Babbit”  -  not

Wikiquotes thinks the source was Harrison Salisbury’s characterization of Lewis’s It Can’t Happen Here: “Sinclair Lewis aptly predicted in It Can’t Happen Here that if fascism came to America it would come wrapped in the flag and whistling ‘The Star Spangled Banner’.”

How is it they are inviting ‘scorn’ and ‘ridcule’?  They told the story of how they dealt with the loss of their child.

I can’t believe these haters are so dense.  They can’t (possibly won’t) even grasp the basic facts of this sad story.

I don’t see taking the baby home and passing him around all night on that list.  It’s fine, I don’t care one way or another, but they went above and beyond the list you provided.

And it’s creepy and weird.Dancing with the dead.

I am pro choice for everyone.  As a matter of fact I am extremely happy that your mother had an abortion.

Oh my god, stop it already.  Do you have stock in the American Pregnancy Association?

They twist the facts to no end and then make things up out of the blue. I’m done with them. Maybe if just one of them will even think about the vile things they have said, my efforts will have been worth it. But I’m doubting it from the hatred and ignorance I have read here.

Nothing normal about it.If you don’t want scorn,then keep your private stuff to yourself.

If it’s personal,why did they advertise details to the world.Smart thing would be to keep your mouth shut about family secrets.

Frothy brought this on himself.

“no one has the right to judge Senator and Mrs. Santorum on how they handled the death of their beloved baby”

That says it all.  Thank you for posting.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot.EH?

what are you talking about?

Because there are many who would find what they did bizarre. Colmes was getting death threats and threats of bodily harm for voicing an opinion many of us share. What Santorum did was sick!

Your a fool.  You had no problem revealing it to everyone here.

Rick’s Wife wrote a book about a child they loved a lot.  What a heinous crime!  Shoot them I say!!!

You are the one that needs to STFU since you don’t know me and it’s the Santorums that invited this by putting it DIRECTLY INTO THE PUBLIC EYE. Moron.

You really have no idea what you’re talking about do you, and yet you persist. 
(note I didn’t make it a question, because it’s a given)

You’re freaking nuts sam.  Just quit cause your comments are horrifically morally corrupt and you’re too stupid to even see what hate you are posting. 

You have no idea what you are saying but you don’t have enough sense to shut the hell up. 

You should read up on the fact that not everyone enjoys your opinion about this.  Instead of respecting that you rifle some more garbage logic about grieving.  Another dumb republican.

How about not everyone thinks it is respectful to take a dead baby home and take a nap with it?  How about that?  No one said we thought the death of the baby was in anyway a good thing.  Republicans are dumb.

How am I wrong? Catholic hospitals do not perform abortions even if would save the life of the mother. That is a fact. 

Seriously.  This lady is bonkers.

I don’t see “passing a dead baby around the family” on the list.  Can you point out the part where they show a dead baby to their kids.  Go.

The Santorums’ baby wasn’t aborted, you fool.

Shut up.  You’re not formally lib.  You’re more liberal than I am. 

Hey genius.  They are the ones that took it to the press.  Read the article.  If you can scrape up the braincells.

You’re right.  Being a Catholic or a Christian matters at this point… NOT!

Yeah and I think when people are CONTINUALLY TRYING to make it seem normal that someone hands around a dead baby at home, A STORY MADE PUBLIC TO THE PRESS BY THE SANTORUMS, that the last thing you should do is stop talking about it.  Is that how a republican deals with things?

And you can’t spell.

I’d rather be a liberal than a lying religious zealot that only values their race, their “kind of American”, and their kind of political affiliation.  You scumbags are the bane of the world right now. 

No they don’t.  That’s what makes them hypocritical scumbags.

I think you were trying to say I was UNINFORMED? I do not wear any uniforms. Anyway, I guess your stupid premise was merit-less. Not only do liberals say vitriolic stuff, you rightwingers do so as well. That was the entire point; Giving that example to refute your garbage. I am not virtuous. I am not a hero to anyone. I do not aim to be. I despise you people who think you are while preaching to us from your sanctimonious high horses. Look at how classy you are by bringing my parents into this discussion! “Classy” idiot indeed. Peeled off that veneer to expose the real you real quick, huh? Guffaw. 

What some fraudulent association says is meaningless. Tell me what actual experts say. Weird ass people. Yeah,,,because a 5y/o child has the capacity to understand a corpse. 

It’a a non-issue.  It truly is, I don’t care for Rick Santorum.  I think his politics are too extreme and do not belong in a fairly moderate climate that exists in the U.S.  That being said, I wish that people would leave this alone.  Even you, Eugene.  And I really like you.  My son was born premature, and had to go through time in a incubator in a NICU.  I had nightmares imagining him passing while there, and what would I do in such a situation.  I was scared, where every stopped breath or heart beat (a common occurrence in a NICU) terrified me.  I can’t imagine the grief I would feel if we would’ve lost him. My heart certainly goes out to them.  It should be off limits.  It should not be thrown into the political arena even if Karen spoke out about it.  We’re talking about grief here, a perfectly human reaction to death.  In fact, the weird reaction would’ve been to have no emotion to the event.  So, lay off.  There’s plenty to bring out about Santorium, but not this.

I don’t see taking the baby home and passing him around all night on that list.  It’s fine, I don’t care one way or another, but they went above and beyond the list you provided.

Where do you get the “ passing him around all night”? From ER who got it wrong that the baby was aborted?

Did you notice the “Here are a few ways you can make memories with your baby” most intelligent people would understand that to be suggestions, its not a check off list, sorry I assumed you would be smart enough to figure that out for yourself, obviously I was wrong.

Robinson and Maddow are very sick individuals to go after Santorum over a tragedy like this.

As I learn more about Sen Santorum I have several questions about his family narrative: (1) Did Sen.Santor­um received government handouts?

Aldo Santorum [Sen. Santorum’s father] called the GI Bill the greatest gift he received. He gave back by building a career and family around veterans hospitals.­­”
A little slow eh? You do know you can’t get the GI bill without being a GI right? Te GI bill matches your military pay that you set aside for collage, obviously not a government hand out. Mr.Santorum put his life on the line when he joined the Army Air Corps
in 1942 after high school, serving most of World War II in the South Pacific where his main job was repairing airplanes. So did he received government handouts? NO. He earned his GI bill.

Mr. Santorum joined the Army Air Corps in 1942 after high school, serving most of World War II in the South Pacific where his main job was repairing airplanes.

(2) Did his father and mother have real jobs? They worked for the
government­. These questions come from the reading below:Being
a doctor is usually considered a real job, same for being a nurse.

I do. I think you people who take corpses home to show to your 5 y/olds are sick little twerps. Is that really so difficult (even for you) to comprehend, pumpkin?

And Santorum is weird?  Put down the tin foil hat, Trevor.  You’re a nutjob of immense proportions.

The child was born alive and died two hours later.  Perhaps if you idiots on the left knew what you were talking about, you could mount some rational debate.  As it is, you think snark equals intelligence and make the whole of civilization weaker by your presence.  Even so, I’ll defend your right to life.

You read one article in the middle of a controversy and make an assumption that is not even stated in the article. You say that a Catholic hospital will not even perform an abortion if the mother is dying. That is nowhere in the article and is not true.

The ethics board of that hospital was being questioned if the mother’s life was actually in danger.

It is so rare that it comes up that a mother will die without an abortion. When it does come up, the hospital ethics board will say save the mother.  The baby would die anyway if the mother did, right?

Every effort is usually made to save them both. This happened to an acquaintance of mine at a Catholic hospital. They tried to save them both. They did what could to be sure the mother didn’t die and was comfortable. The plan was to abort the baby if the mother took a turn for the worse. When the baby was viable, they took the baby by c-section and saved them both. That was a beautiful ending for all. The child is now a beautiful teenager.

I’m in law enforcement and (unfortunately) see death on at least a weekly. I’ve learned that people grieve in many different ways, and the Santorum’s mourning process was hardly outside the norm. There are rooms in hospitals designed to allow parents to hold their dead children. I know people who have albums of ultrasound photos of their never-born children.

I’d venture a guess (and a hope) that Verreauxii has no children.

This is yet another example of the Left’s selective “celebration of diversity”. Someone reacts to a horrific loss in a way that makes them uncomfortable, and they are deemed “sick”. How tolerant.

You forgot to make a point. You just blurted some nonsense. I’m just letting you know because sometimes I’m not sure if you people realize you’re not saying anything.

Chill out people.  It sounds creepy, but who knows what would feel appropriate for a family dealing with such a tragedy?  I don’t. That was their personal choice to make. 
One thing I do know with certainty –  if the Obamas did this, the Republicans would demonize them to no end.  Don’t even try to deny it.  

What’s really weird is that many liberals question Santorum on his “reaction” when his child died and yet..defend Casey Anthony after she murdered her child.
Maybe Roe vs Wade has them thinking Casey was within her rights…who knows.
The liberal mind is a tangled web of morbid insanity.

That is a disgusting post. The baby was still born, not aborted. Those who have lost closest relatives will know exactly what Santorum did. Some people on this forum are twisted and sick.. go find a mirror

Bullsh!t. The doctors are the ones who are supposed to make the call. Not be second guessed by some pompous moralist Bishop who thinks the earth is 5,000 years old. That is just one case.There is another case where a sister (or nun) was defrocked because she gave permission for an abortion to be carried out since the mom’s life was in danger as was related by her physician. That’s what some Christian hospitals do with their so called “moral objections” crap. DO us a favor and gtfo of the health care business. Dogmatic idiots. I would never take my dog to a Catholic hospital. I want my doctor to do everything legal under the sun to save me or my loved ones without any encumbrances.

You are sick and disgust me.  You are utterly inhumane. No doubt of Mrs Santorum had wborted her baby at 9 months and had it’s skull pirced..or been left to die  on a trolley as Obama voted for once, she would be a progressive heroine. You are a sick  human being Trevor, you need therapy

That’s actually the Republican position, that the baby should have been carried to full term. Try to remember that all Republicans are systematically trained to believe precisely the opposite of the truth.

Not at all. It is natural in hundreds of cultures. It helps the living, and especially the children who were dying to have a brother or sister, come to terms. It is recommended by the most  highest medical authorities, ie the APA. My daughter died recently aged 25..we viewed her, her mother made her up and would not let embalmers do it… she had an open casket viewing for all friends who wanted it.. I spoent an hour crying and talking to her. Open up Oscar! Liberals find nothing weird in killing babies, everything weird in killing murderers and serial killers and I hope you are not one of them with upside down values.

” but again, it’s the Santorums who made the issue public. They invite scorn and ridicule for what they did. ”

 And if the Santorum’s had tried to keep this quiet and it got leaked anyhow you would not have a problem with it ?

Right .

My guess is you would be be even more outraged. But instead of making the claim the Santorums made it public and are open to criticism you would be all over them for trying to hide it.

Maybe he has lost a child and kept a personal and private thing, just that, personal and private. You should shut your trap about his commenting on something Santorum decided to  write a book about.  You don’t know what Robinson has had to deal with because not everyone in the public eye chooses to make every part of their life public.

Hey Numbnuts. Read the article
“As I’ve said before, the fact that Karen Santorum publicized the event
means that, to some extent, it is an appropriate subject for public
discussion. For example, the notion that Gabriel’s story is relevant to
the abortion rights debate is something that can be legitimately
challenged, but even then, it should be handled in a delicate,
respectful manner.”

This may not have occured to you, but people that disagree with you aren’t automatically stupid. Assuming they are, is very much so.

Enjoyed the article. Thanks for the link.

It’s not a matter of normal. The grief that accompanies the loss of a loved one, in this case a newborn, not a stillborn, is very personal. It’s as simple as that. There are planty of reasons to critisize Santorum as a candidate such as his own disgusting use of the Terry Schivo case to try and make political points. Nobody is saying don’t discuss it at all. Just have enough sense to realize that grief over the loss of a newborn is not something there’s a SOP for.

I’m saying ER and Colmes are cruel and unfeeling in the matter of a child’s death and their grieving process.

The reason the issue is relevent is because Santorum argues for no abortion under any circumstances, apparently even for rape, but when his wife was having birth complications he and his wife decided to force the fetus to be born by induction. Of course, everyone agrees that is appropriate, but does Santorum?

It was aborted, a late term abortion, the wife’s life was threatened.  The labor was induced and the baby survived for two hours, they did not wait for a natural delivery.

You really should read the explanation, although they try to cloud the actual circumstances, the birth was induced to save the life of the mother.

They were also following the advice that if the baby was carried to full term it would endanger the life of the mother.

these same Santorum people would excoriate these exact same circumstances if they happened to someone else, the act of inducing labor to give birth to a baby who can’t survive is called late term abortion, which they condemn for others.

Basically, it was really a way to rewrite and mask their true actions which were to induce (abort) the delivery of an unviable fetus so that the mother would survive. They had to spin even this to keep their anti abortion creds because they do not think that others should have this right.

I’m sorry but most Normal people don’t check dead bodies out of the hospital so they can go home and sleep with them. Go ahead the next time one of your relatives or friend passes away see if the law allows you to bring them home to sleep with them or do they CHECK them into the morgue

The leftist fools are piling on Mr. Santorum… and showing just how disgusting they truly are.  Keep it up MS-DNC!  Keep it up! 

I just heard a cling-on brownnoser named Donny Deutsch on MS-DNC say, “We’re not making Romney win, we’re keeping everyonen else alive so there’s a story.”  Yeppers, the leftist nuts are really flummoxed by Mr. Santorum.  Funny to watch a media lose its grip on the American mind.

This is what leftists are really all about.  They’re showing their true colors.

You are correct here.  My family went through this same situation three years ago.  I as the grandfather was saddened deeply by my grandson living just 123 minutes, however, I am pleased to say I got to hold him for hours the next day and feel his presence, I hope he felt mine.  There only is one correct answer on how to grieve a loss like this and that is… whatever the family, especially the mother and father of the child, decide what they’d like to do.  That’s the bottom line.  And hopefully anyone reading this will never have to make those decisions.

I had forgotten that it was Santorum that checked out a dead body from the hospital to spend a day with his family. I remember that at the time it was publicized that I thought it was creepy and weird and ought to be against the law. I don’t always agree with Robinson but even though it might be considered insensitive to discuss, it has been 15 years, Santorum is running for president, and yes, checking out a dead body for recreation is creepy, weird, and ought to be against the law !

I have to disagree with some here.  Yes, this was a personal issue.  However, BECAUSE it was a personal issue, it should have been kept personal.  Santorums themselves left this out there for public fodder and that leaves a reporter to write his personal views as to whether he found it somewhat weird to sleep with your dead child.  Or take a dead child home to be viewed by other children who will most likely never forgot that.

But if you do not want your most every personal aspects in your life discussed, then don’t write a book about it.

scum_torum makes a vulgar right wing racist remark not much noise about that from any major media, cnn, fox, msnbc, morning Joe………well mr. scum_torum you placed your own head in that vise first by bringing  that event to the pubic. second you bring what you give vulgar racist remarks you have lowered the bar on yourself………no blessing for you and that lifeless warf rat of yours ………..disresect bring disrespect no more awh white people say those types of things, god bless them child…..no no no mr. scum_torum…

scum_torum makes a vulgar right wing racist remark not much noise about that from any major media, cnn, fox, msnbc, morning Joe………well mr. scum_torum you placed your own head in that vise first by bringing  that event to the pubic. second you bring what you give vulgar racist remarks you have lowered the bar on yourself………no blessing for you and that lifeless warf rat of yours ………..disresect bring disrespect no more awh white people say those types of things, god bless them child…..no no no mr. scum_torum…

Santorum says that woman who are raped should be prohibited from having an abortion. His wife who was pregnant had a medical problem and thereafter the Santorum’s, on their doctor’s advice, chose an early exit for the fetus she was carrying to protect Mrs. Santorum’s health. Isn’t that odd?

The baby was not stillborn, the baby was born alive. Died 2 hours later. Stillborn is delivery After death has happened.

They were doing their best to save the baby. It was a slim chance but they tried. It is absolutely wrong to characterize this as a deliberately chosen “early exist” for the baby. 

I’m with ya here.  Frankly, it is weird and altho the Republicans won’t admit it, weird to all of us.  We have not laid out dead bodies in our own homes for public viewing for decades.  It must have been a very trying time for his other children.

Ha. You really are sick. You just made the same argument again….”Right Wing bloggers say mean things about my liberal hero’s, therefore I ‘despise’ people who claim it is wrong to mock people personally. I hate etc…”
Have you about right? Yupp. All I did was point out that Maddow and Robinson have zero regard for anyone but a lib. Rather than refute that, you throw a fit. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re a teenager. But if not, I just feel sorry for you. Carrying around that much bitterness must be tough on you and the sorry souls you interact with on a daily basis.

Name one “liberal” who “defended Casey Anthony after she murdered her child.”

You’re just makin’ stuff up!

The birth was induced, with the understanding that it would not survive. They had the option of not inducing birth as the baby was only 20 weeks along, but to carry the child further would have endangered the mother’s life. They chose to induce, knowing the baby would die. That’s a late term abortion in my book.

The choice to force the “birth” of any five month old is virtually a death sentence for the fetus, even a healthy one. Sure, they can incubate some into normal health, but most do not make it or have serious problems thereafter related to being born premature. I or any progressives I know do not blame Mrs. Santorum at all for their decision to induce birth. Indeed, she made the right call to protect her own health. And thank goodness she had the “right” to make that call. Because according to the Santorum model, that he now preaches, with the legality of abortion being rendered to the states, and taken outside of protected status as a woman’s constitutional right, then in those states where it is ultimately deemed to be illegal, with criminal penalties for those who kill a person yet to be born, or cause one to die early through early termination of pregnancy; the Santorums would have had to face a full blown police investigation of the death of their child, with forensics, interrogation, bail and or incarceration. Not that I am suggesting they did anything wrong, at all, but does Santorum? In fact under the Santorum model, with personhood established at conception, every miscarriage would have to be investigated by police. If the mother was found to have, for example, done some ill advised physical act that could arguably have caused a miscarriage, that would be involuntary manslaughter.

I have also heard that Rick is thinking of giving three fifths rights to sperm and egg cells that are mistreated.

You start a sentence with “Liberals have no problem…” then you’re outraged that someone might say “YOu guys do it too”?? That’s kind of dishonest, isn’t it? Then you claim that all you did was claim ” Maddow and Robinson have zero regard…” But you also called him ignorant, uninformed, and traced the supposed faillings back to his parents. And YOU claim the higher ground? I got news for ya, Matt, you’re a reactionary bully. ( ’cause I thought it inartful to call you a peice of shit.)

“She then allowed them to speed it up”. That’s inducing, genius.

I like your “MS-DNC” may I use it in future posts?

“Weird” means strange. The story is strange. It is unusual. It is not the norm. Full stop.

Those with their panties in a knot have to pretend that words have no meaning in order to make something out of nothing.

If Rick Santorum said this, the columnist would be pretending he said “wieerhuh.”

Maddow and Geno=Two very dim bulbs.

I never claimed the “high ground.” And again, your argument is exactly the same…. “I will not discuss the lack of humanity displayed by LEADERS in my philosophical movement, I will point out that this commenter named MattBx is a bad guy.”
That’s the standard? You’re another clueless drone. Your leaders are a disgrace. Own in, refute it or shut your trap. Pointing to how im a jackass or how a right wing blogger is mean doesnt discount that maddow and robinson have no class. The fact that u and your pals refuse to defend them, proves I won this argument a long time ago.

it’s not the holding or speaking or even sleeping with i dont get. it’s the taking the dead fetus home. I get bringing the other kids to the hospital and telling them that theres their baby brother. but taking it home is the weird part to me

Did Rick Santorum’s wife have an abortion?
http://www.examiner.com/progressive-in-portland/did-rick-santorum-s-wife-have-an-abortion

Good column Tommy.  The way a culture treats death is normative.  Santorum’s actions fall outside that normative in most people’s minds.  That makes it “weird” in the informal sense.  Tell ten random people the story they will say it is “weird”, at the very least.  Tell the same ten random people that studies have shown that it is therapeutic to do this sort of thing or something similar to it and they will say, “Oh.  Well that makes sense.”

Robinson’s reaction was perfectly normal and normative.  The outrage over his comments is not normative.

Some folks value human life and life begins at conception.  Most on the left do not. Eugene’s time has come and gone.

Oh.  So you skipped being a Rhodes Scholar and just decided to go for the Fulbright, right?

Isn’t ‘normal’ the argument used endlessly by social conservatives to deny gays and lesbians equal rights under the law?

If it’s so awful for them then why bring it directly into the public eye by sending press releases about this PRIVATE GRIEVING TIME. We didn’t need to know the details. They gave them to us. So you and your self righteous friends can all suck it.

The Santorums advertised it because they thought it would boost their pro-birth credentials.

God you leftists have no sense.  Do you really think it matter WHY the child died???  You have been spouting your pro-abortion crap so long that you’re no better than the Nazis who ran the death camps.

Hey thanks for making my point for me. Idiot.

I think the charitable thing to conclude here is that your remarks are made out of the combination of cocksureness and lack of experience that characterize youth — you happen to be a left-wing youth so your comments are from the left, but right-wing youth make the same mistakes from their own perspective.  If you can confirm for all of us that you at least have children — even if you’ve never had to lose one — so that you would have some sense of the scale of grief involved, and some sense of how you would struggle to help your other children understand what had happened, then I guess you can continue to comment on the topic.  The Santorums’ choices wouldn’t have been my choices in this situation — and I don’t support Rick Santorum’s political positions — but I know they were not easy choices, they are choices that are supported by many grief counselors and psychologists, they are by no means uncommon, and they are none of my business.

Re: my earlier post — I shouldn’t have said “I guess you can continue to comment”.  Of course you should comment, and you — like everyone — have every right to express a view and make your case on this or any other topic.  The only question is how much weight should people who have experience as parents and experience with grief give to your views — particularly when they aren’t really supported by analytical argument but just categorical statements about whether something is weird or not.  My own view is that those of us who oppose Santorum should focus on the many other targets of opportunity he gives us, and treat the issue of how he and his family dealt with their grief with the respect it deserves by neither mocking it nor mentioning it.

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Go here and read them for yourself:
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…and from now on…do your own homework you lazy, liberal pig.

Or maybe you’re just dumb and can’t comprehend that other people have other views. Or you’re just republican. Either way.

Well then why are you giving me a hard time for not exactly following your understanding of the situation? Who’s cockattitude are we talking about here? I have an opinion and so do you but don’t expect me to respect that opinion if you and others are going to bash me for mine. Screw you and your self righteous republican friends.

Very classy, douchebagger.

She started to go into labor at 20 weeks. She gave permission for the doctors to inject a drug to speed the labor along and force delivery, knowing that the baby would not survive.

If you had what she had, right-wing theocrats would call it a “late-term abortion”.

But in Mrs. Santorum’s case, they call it “the sad loss of a wanted baby” that is “a private matter” (even though the family made it VERY public), and vilify anyone who calls Santorum a hypocrite for branding others who make the same choice “murderers”.

I didn’t think I was bashing you for your comment — I tried to make clear that you and I both agree that we wouldn’t have handled our grief in the way the Santorums did.  I was only commenting in return that I think someone who isn’t a parent can’t really understand the degree of grief that’s involved in losing a child, and the scale of the task in coming to grips with it — and therefore those of us who are parents should be more willing to give the Santorums some respect on this issue (even if they forfeit that respect on other issues), particularly since the way they handled it is supported by many others who don’t share their political beliefs.  I think my first post was a little patronizing about your youth and inexperience — that wasn’t called for since I don’t know you from Adam, and it doesn’t surprise me that it ticked you off.

This was written ingest.  The GOP opponents of the GI Bill called it welfare.  The GI  Bill was instrumental in creating the white middle class.  The GOP Congress continually argue that government jobs are not real jobs.  There are many doctors, nurses, etc. that  work in the VA system that is part of the government. Government jobs are real jobs.

To be sure, I am not demo-grading  Santorum’s father service to the nation, but I’m pointing out how his family moved into the middle class by policies designed by government.  The government has designed numerous policies that have enable people to move ahead. The policies have often give people boots straps for their boots. None of us have done it all by ourselves.

Life begins long before conception. Do you not realize that your actual physical lineage goes back to chimps, reptiles, and fish? One un-broken chain of life. But traditionally, a “person” is born when they take their first breath. If a ”person” is born at conception, then, as I mentioned earlier, every miscarriage would necessarily be a police investigatory matter.

Bringing the dead fetus home so that their other children could “cuddle it”…THAT is what’s bizarre. When my father died, had I insisted to the hospital that I bring his dead body home so my homebound mother could kiss him goodbye, they would’ve questioned my mental capacity, and rightly so. If it’s OK in one instance, why isn’t it OK in all instances? Because ultra-social conservatives play by their own set of rules. 

I agree.  What the Santorums did with their stillborn child is accepted by medical authorities as a valid way a family can deal with the loss of a child.  Do Alan Colmes and Eugene Robinson have children?  How cruel people are!

Alan Colnes and Eugene Robinson are so caught up in their political ideology that they are cruel.  What the Santorums did with their still born child is an accepted way for families to deal with the loss of said child.  It was their baby and they wanted the kids to be able to see him and say  good bye.  It wasn’t weird.  It was their choice and very human.

The point is, they chose to induce labor knowing it would likely kill the child.
Whether or not it killed the child is NOT the point.

The point is, Santorum wants to deny the right to save the mother in child birth….EXECEPT when his wife is the mother.

Let’s also get this much clear: what two adults want to do with their miscarried, deceased child is their business, so long as they don’t violate state or federal laws concerning the handling of a deceased human fetus.

Once the Santorums decided to bring the deceased fetus home to their young children to cradle and “welcome” to the family, that’s when state protective services should have intervened.

If you remove the religious explanation from what the Santorums did, it is exploitative and harmful to have your young children cradle a dead fetus. It’s a good case for finding the Santorums to be unfit parents as a whole.

Some religious families believe that when their child is sick, no doctor should be called, because God will cure the child if that’s God’s will. When the child dies, they are charged with murder. While the Santorums’ actions don’t reach this level, it’s impossible to gauge the damage they have caused to their young children by what they have done.

Eugene & Madcow define “weird,” & their opinions are not only stupid & unfeeling, but ignore the weirdo now infecting the Oval Office.

Eugene & Madcow are a pair of silly stupid moonbats. Robinson should note how weird Obungler is when he brings cop-killer “poets” into the White House to infect the premises!

LindaP should read the Commentary article on how widely-practiced & accepted the Santorums’ behavior is among citizens who actually care about their loved ones—that leaves out moonbat skanks like the hateful leftist Linda, who would have made a good commissar back in Stalin’s heyday.

Just tellin’ it like it is.
Oh…and….Kiss my ass.

No thanks…no into santorum.

Actually, I would have been sympathetic. I’m on their ass because they thought they could use that act to proselytize whatever ideal they had in their depraved minds. When you put something out, don’t be shocked when some people hate it. 

I do not favour Santorum’s nomination for reasons to do with experience and policy issues.  He lacks real executive experience and was to closely aligned with Bush’s policies.  But that does not matter at all to the Maddows and the Robinsons.  As in how they dealt with Governor Sarah Palin, when they ignored or distorted her excellent record and concentrated on trashing her personally and trashing her family nor sparing even the baby Trig.  In this process they lied without compunction.  Santorum can now expect the same treatment.  His family will not be spared an iota of abuse and humiliation.  As anyone who takes the trouble to examine Obama’s actual ‘career’ this is ‘his way’ of dealing with opponents.

You are mistaken.  Under Catholic moral guidelines a woman cannot be refused medical treatment, even if that indirectly results in the death of her baby.  It is direct abortion that is considered morally wrong.  This is the well know ethical principle of the double effect, which the Church adopted from the work of Aristotle.

Different strokes for different folks.  Many cultures (and America is ‘multicultural’ is it not) have different ways of dealing with death.  For example, there is the Irish tradition of the ‘wake’ where the recently deceased lies on his own bed for two days while his family and friends celebrate his life.

The point here is that Maddow and Robinson could not care less about these issues.  They are using the traditional playbook of the left which is to focus upon innocous traits and issues, exaggerating and distorting them, in order to prove that yet another republican candidate is ‘weird’, (or ‘scary’, or ‘racist’ or ‘homophobic’ or ‘right-wing’ or ‘polarizing’–fill in the others yourself).  The stench of liberal hypocricy and dishonesty is nausiating.

By the way under your ‘informal’ rules of deciding what is ‘normal’ the act of abortion and same-sex intercourse would be ruled out.

I rest my case.

Tim, Tim, Tim — don’t you realize few people recognize sarcasm?

“Government jobs are real jobs.” Sometimes, yes. Other times, no.

Your assertion that every miscarriage would have to be investigated is seriously stupid. What are you? Thirteen years old? 

The least you could do is get the story straight, Gail.

Your use of the word “normative” merely emphasizes that you’re one puffed-up piece. 

It’s not bad enough that you say something stupid? You have to say it twice? 

So, Assata Shakur is merely a political exile? And I suppose Adolf Hitler was just a misunderstood Austrian house painter.
 

Don’t be so kind. KoreanTrevor is an asshole, not a nutjob. And probably love that I’ve clarified. 

 Ah, yes, more crap from this inferior twit. Yes, I’m old. And I’m white. But I’m neither bigoted, a failure, nor filled with resentment. . . . Well, not quite true: I do hate asshole liberals — not to be redundant.

A friend once said to me, “We’re all ignorant about different things.” So, I guess I am ignorant, after all. However, I’m definitely not stupid. Or an asshole.

Hey, genius, the word is “formerly” — not “formally.” The best I can say for shallow and obtuse [redundant?] liberals such as you is that you make good chew toys. Except for the foul taste you leave in my mouth, that is.

” I’m on their ass because they thought they could use that act to proselytize whatever ideal they had in their depraved
minds. ”

What specific ” ideal ” is that? Do you have a theory ?
Could it be possible that they were just trying to cope with losing a child ?

The truth is no one knows but them. On such a delicate subject one should be sure . You THINK you know why but only because you believe they have ” depraved minds “.

Another words they are conservatives and libs always look for the worst.

And so what if it is? Are you going to grammar nazi me because you think I give a f_ck? Genius. lol

Awwwwwwwwww.How cute.

Why you letting Cobra77 put his thing in your mouth.ewww.

Oh,so Obama is now responsible for what happens on the Rachel Maddow show?

LOL, so delusional!!

The only hate I hear is comin’ from you, pal.

Pre-birth: zygote, embryo, fetus
Post-birth: baby, child, person

It’s really not all that hard to follow. Even the Bible says man wasn’t a “living being” until God blew breath into his nostrils. Don’t think that’s possible inside the womb.

And by the way, the only people in this story who destroyed anything during pregnancy were the Santorums, not “liberals”.

You’re special…..

As usual, the left has twisted this story.  The baby was a septic spontaneous abortion due to an infection.  Her labor was NOT induced.  In fact, she had asked her doctor to forestall labor, but they could not because the infection was too advanced and the antibiotics, which sometimes do forestall labor, did not have that affect.  So her labor was neither induced, nor was the outcome predetermined prior to the spontaneous abortion.  In short, the furthest thing from an induced abortion under the circumstances.  Salon (the main purveyor of this lie) and the rest of the lefty blogosphere should be ashamed and embarrassed for this election-year propaganda.  OF course, they won’t be–because in their view, any lie to further “the cause” is justified.

dougster–please quit lying to the people.  The Santorum’s baby was not aborted.  Ms. Santorum had an infection that caused a septic spontaneous abortion–as far from an “induced abortion” as you can get under the circumstances. She even asked for the labor to be forestalled, but the antibiotics administered did not have the desired affects.  So this is just more, ugly election year propaganda from the left.  You people need to try to develop some sense of decency–hard, I know, since you think decency is only for old people and chumps.  But try.  You’ll be a better American for it.

THE POINT IS THAT KAREN SANTORUM HAD A CHOICE FOR A SAFE,LEGAL DELVERY TO SAVE HER LIFE THAT HER HUSBAND WOULD DENY TO EVERY OTHER WOMAN IN AMERICA! AND HE WOULD OUTLAW CONTRACEPTION!

They drove to Pgh. from Harrisburg with the baby so Karens parents could see him, then let the small kids play with him. This is normal? Now,he is on the campaign trail with a sweet, very sick baby. Faith, Family? Where, Rick?

You couldn’t be more wrong. Rick Santorum has made it his business to dictate what EVERYONE ELSE should do in terms of pregnancy, contraception, and sex. EVERYONE ELSE has no privacy. That means it is MY business, and EVERYONE ELSE’S business whether Santorum actually aborted his child to save hsi wife’s life, whether he has sex with his wife if he no longer wants more children…EVERYTHING about Rick Santorum’s dead baby is my business…as dictated by RICK SANTORUM.

They induced labor. The doctor’s said the baby wouldn’t live, so THEY made the decision that it was ok to induce labor to save Karen’s life.

The point that’s clear is that, when it came down to it, Karen and Rick would have chosen to save Karen, even if it meant killing the unborn child. Hypocrite anyone?

No one tried to dictate what they did, as Rick Santorum wants to do with everyone else.

Uh…the Santorum’s GOT TO CHOOSE what to do regarding their situation…EXACTLY what he wants to deny everyone else.

Santorum is for “life of the mother”, once it became an issue for him
Santorum is for “some” limit to civil recovery for injury, once his wife exceeded the limit of damage request that is legally allowed.

When it came down to it, Karen said that she would have chosen her life over her child’s, even if it wasn’t going to die. CHOICE.

i would have had a problem with it, because it was against everything they said they believed in. i would have a problem with it, because they are hypocrites.

Wrong. Santorum’s don’t believe in a right of privacy. Santorum tells the public how they should reproduce, have sex, etc. That means that, as part of the public, Rick Santorum’s dead baby is MY BUSINESS.

Your response is a typical example of Republican ignorance and hypocrisy.  Using Pitocin to induce a labor to save the mother’s life is in no way different than an abortion.  The infection was in the mother’s uterus and could have been treated with antibiotics.   The fetus may or may not have developed septicemia; those details weren’t given.  The infant probably died, not from the infection, but from the fact that a fetus at 20 weeks is not viable outside a healthy womb. 
What they did with the corpse is their own business.
The problem is that Rick Santorum does make everyone else’s personal decisions regarding these issues his business.  Issues, such as these, belong to a woman with the guidance of her God/conscience, partner and/or doctor.  These situations are always tragic and a woman should always have the option to do what she and those in her inner circle deem best.  Just as Mr. and Mrs. Santorum had the right to have a drug injected into her veins to induce the non-spontaneous delivery of Gabriel for reasons they deemed to be best.