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Poor Phrasing? Pat Buchanan Thinks Black People Bought Propaganda On The ‘Liberal Plantation’

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About a couple months ago, Pat Buchanan got in a bunch of trouble when he used the phrase “your boy” in regards to President Obama. At the time, all Buchanan meant was that Obama was the favored candidate of the host he was talking to, Al Sharpton, however, he got caught up (unfairly in this writer’s opinion) in the tricky racial connotations of the word “boy.” You’d think, then, that he’d learn his lesson about the importance of word choice.

Perhaps not as, last night on Martin Bashir, he explained that black voters had been fed too much propaganda from the “liberal plantation.” Hoo boy.

The funniest part is, Buchanan was merely trying to defend the statements of someone else. In this case it was Herman Cain as Bashir asked the appropriateness of Cain calling liberal black voters “brainwashed.”

Here’s how Buchanan responded:

“I think what [Cain's] saying is that they bought an awful lot of liberal propaganda on the liberal plantation and I think he’s right.”

Bashir summed up the reaction of most viewers when all he could say was “‘Liberal plantation?’ Wow.”

Look, Pat, we like you. And we don’t think you mean poorly, so here are a some phrases you should avoid in future newscasts:

  • If you’re discussing a story about Jewish summer camp counselors unionizing, don’t, under any circumstance, call them a “labor camp.”
  • Lets say you’re talking about tobacco usage amongst European gay groups. While the story may take place across the pond, it’s still a terrible idea to use the British term for “cigarette.”
  • If you were to talk about a tragedy involving Native Americans and you see a man crying as he walks away, despite how poetic it may sound, please don’t mention the “trail” his “tears” leaves.
  • The Morning Joe panel includes you and a baby seal. Do everything in your power to remember not to refer to the seal’s Marine Mammal Rights organization as a “club.”

We’ve got plenty more so, if you ever find yourself stuck and unsure about what to say, feel free to contact us at any time.

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  • Michelle

    I’m not a big fan of Pat, but I’m so sick of this self-righteous political correctness.  The bottom line is some people WANT to be offended, therefore they are constantly offended.  Period, end of story. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ECYBIXNKAG5E46BC3GCJQPA7CQ well_its_no_cannibal_holocaust

    Pat Buchanan for President!

  • Anonymous

    This is a good fight to pick for liberals.  Argue over wording rather than the outcome of liberal policies on blacks.  Avoid the issues – argue the words.

  • Michelle

    Well if you notice, they are doing everything they can to NOT talk about Obama’s failed policies and record.  And the corrupt, liberal media are willing accomplices in the effort. 

  • Jason

    Memo to Pat Buchanan: Harsh realities don’t go over well in liberal land. I hope you’re updating your resume old man.

  • Anonymous

    The lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists believe that blacks are 100% owned as their property. They will offer them various forms of addictive candy (like the PIGFORD rip-off of American taxpayers) via BIG GOVERNMENT to keep them hooked. BUT,  when they stray from the lunatic-left plantation and speak out of turn – or otherwise disobey their d-cRAT MASTERS, the lunatic-left will  severely punish the uppity offenders. The lunatic-left absolutely thinks they have a “right” to do so. And their despicable treatment of black works perfectly, so they’ll never change.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    I really don’t see anything wrong with what Buchanan said, it is a conversation that is long overdue, one that Holder said we are afraid as a nation to have.  

    Black conservatives speak to the “Liberal Plantation”!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aujTwuJY8

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lars-Svensen/100001028197161 Lars Svensen

    So, it’s fine for lefties to use the most disgusting profanity & scatology, but a conservative shouldn’t use words like plantation and boy?, Balderdash!

  • LiberalMediaIsCorrupt

    The Liberal Entitlement Plantation. 

    Don’t believe it?  Come to Detroit. 
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angli-Sclone/100002587894218 Angli Sclone

    I’m with you, if you have to walk around this country  and  I do mean country because no matter where you are different speech means different things to different people. Sick, I am so sick of it all I am going to say what I want when I want. Blacks are coddled and to say one word gets them homicidal then tough! How many times are Whites slandered and all others int his country but no, the poor Blacks. They like the Race Bait they keep it going by holding up the RACE CARD… STICK IT!

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Anyone who listens to Cain knows he talks about the Democratic plantation. 

  • Joepalooka

    Do people NOT understand words for their meaning? In using the word plantation Buchanan clearly (or not so to some) meant that the Liberal agenda has ‘enslaved’ African Americans much as the original ‘plantation mindset’ did (it’s not hard to figure out that there is NO racial insinuation by his word choice). His comments essentially run parallel to the conservative approach of empowering people rather than assuming people are incapable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angli-Sclone/100002587894218 Angli Sclone

    Pat’s right and Herman Cain is spot on. Confusion now sets in with Mr. Cain,how do we use the race card now?
    Well an answer just the other day on TV., to a black woman who was asked about Mr. Cain.. Her answer..”HE’S AN OREO!” Black on the outside, white on the inside.HUH?
     Strange Obama is Half Black and Half White, how do they justify their stupid answers about him?Shows the mentality.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angli-Sclone/100002587894218 Angli Sclone

    Remember OJ Trial..They the black’s will give a pass to their own no matter what they’ve done. There’s your answer.Call them on it and your a racist. The word is so yesterday!
    I would love to see Herman Cain  go against Obama in the election itself. wouldn’t you just love to be a fly on the wall everywhere they congregate?

  • http://twitter.com/runforfun54 Ilene K

    There you go again, Michelle – you don’t have a CLUE!!! The so-called liberal media — you mean the ones owned by RUPERT MURDOCH?  I swear, I’m so glad I check in here everyday, because you are a one-person comedy show. If the media were so “liberal,” why the hell are they not covering the Wall Street protests? Common sense, woman, where were you when it was given out?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angli-Sclone/100002587894218 Angli Sclone

    Especially when you’re sheep!

  • http://twitter.com/runforfun54 Ilene K

    No, not every word.. by the way – have you stopped whining yet over jokes on Dancing with the Stars? Pat Buckkkanan has a long history of nasty and offensive comments. If you would take your heads out of Rush Limbaugh’s ass now and again, you’d hear them for yourselves.

  • http://twitter.com/runforfun54 Ilene K

    oh, yes, say it again. Anyone who uses the words “clearly” means, your interpretation.  Jeesh you people are stupido!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angli-Sclone/100002587894218 Angli Sclone

    Hit the nail on the head that is, for those who understand it. That’s why I love Herman Cain.

  • http://twitter.com/BusyDay2day Father Time

    People are offended when someone implies that a certain race’s political beliefs were born while working as slaves.  

  • http://twitter.com/BusyDay2day Father Time

    It is discouraging to see so many race-based comments in this discussion.  If you don’t see a problem with this sort of language there is something wrong with you.  

  • Anonymous

    It’s not so much a liberal plantation as a racial spoils system. CBC watch out for themselves and their cronies. Inner city be damned. If this isn’t the case, then why is there no education reform in the poor neighborhoods? No, CBC and their ilk like things just as they are.

  • Anonymous

    And your ‘IGNORANCE’….is at a(n) elevated level!

  • Anonymous

    This is like when Bill O’Reilly described Obama – something to the effect “Who thought that a young boy from Hawaii with a single mom could become president someday? Only in America”

    Of course, Media Matters had a story saying “BILL OREILLY CALLS OBAMA ‘BOY’” The left in this country just looks for racism in every nook and cranny. I don’t understand how certain words only apply to one race and we all have to be cautious what we say or else liberals will character assassinate us as raaaacist. First the N word, now boy, now plantation? Give me a break! There are REAL problems in our world!

  • Michelle

    They are covering the protests.  I’ve noticed you have a real problem telling the truth. 

  • Anonymous

    Pat can’t help it racism oozes out of his pores.  

  • Anonymous

    Silly Rabbit….’Ignorance’ is for those such as yourself, that dont have a brain to think:  about one in every 33 black men was a sentenced prisoner and the rate for white men was about one in every 205, for Hispanic men about one in every 79(for the same or simular crimes)….hence, that would seem as tho’~~Whites will give a pass to their own no matter what they’ve done….’YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT’ for lack of research at best, knowledge at worse!    .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Your response clearly indicates that the conversation of the “Liberal Plantation” is one that progressives are not capable of having as it would examine the failed policies of welfare and the impact it has had on the black community.  The role of victim has not served the black community either as they lag behind every other minority in the country but they can conveniently lay the blame elsewhere…  

    You can call those who would have this conversation racists all you want to but it is not helping to solve the problems that continue in our country.  The very need to have this conversation will and is perceived as a threat to both the black community and to the democratic party and this is a shame, as liberals such as yourself will never allow such a discussion.  Nothing will get better until we really breakdown the failures of the last 50 years and find new answers that will lead us to different results.

  • http://twitter.com/gadfly666 gadfly666

    All Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Baggers are not racist. But it is fair to say that most of the racists are  Conservatives/Republicans/Tea Baggers.

  • Anonymous

    The Democratic party HAS enslaved black Americans. They are now dependant on government for EVERYTHING…food, housing, education, jobs, insursnce, childcare, etc. It is sad…very sad.

  • Jason

    And it’s fair to say that you idiots use the same false analogies every time you’re called on your racism.

  • Anonymous

    So you must also feel that all Muslims are not terrorists but most terrorists are Muslims?

  • Anonymous

    The “common sense” line was full of liberals so she got back in the “ignorance” line for a double dose, then headed over to the “dumb as_________” line and picked up a couple bags of rocks.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget we can’t use the term “black cloud” either.

  • Hagen619dj

    I totally agree with you both.  It’s getting so that we need to “inspect’ every word for it’s meaning depending on what race you are.  Race should not be even mentioned any longer. It’s used by too many that want to  cause trouble.  Good grief, get over it.  Be proud of your skin color and quit asking for “warm fussies” everytime someone makes a statement. This is America. We are a land of diverse races and can’t be held accountable for every single word said…any longer. It’s tiresome listening to all these “he said-they said” commentaries and being judged for the foolishness. Get over it and move on.

  • Anonymous

    Black men commit more crime then Whites or hispanics! Period! That is why you have more Black men in prison then any other race. It starts at the family and the parents!

  • Hagen619dj

    And maybe; just MAYBE, you should lighten up and be a person of example. Instead of always attacking the other guy on words.

  • http://twitter.com/gadfly666 gadfly666

    Most terrorists are Muslims is some parts of the world. In USA, most terrorists are not Muslims.

  • Anonymous

    Michelle and Angli Scione are just mad because they cant say ni**er in public like they used to.

  • Hagen619dj

    I truly understand the slave situation.  It should not have happened. It was a terrible thing to do to people no matter what their race color was.  White people should be ashamed….but remember they were the “whites” of years ago.  This generation has nothing to do with that.  It’s understandable that blacks are offended etc.  I get that.  But we in this generation don’t think, feel or do that way.  Times have changed and it’s time for them to consider that also. 

  • Anonymous

    So what’s wrong with calling it what it is…the “Liberal Plantation”?   I use that, and similar phrases like “Government Plantation”, all the time because it expresses exactly what it is.  No need to pussy foot around the truth.

  • Hagen619dj

    And guess what?    He’s black too.  You see, most people in this generation don’t think about color.  Seems to be only the ones who are colored.  Come on, forgive us….we had nothing to do with slavery.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, so your point is?  

  • Hagen619dj

    Then an apology is in order.  We the “little” people of no knowledge in small town rituals have no understanding of why they treat others the way they treat themselves.  I’m glad to live in an area that doesn’t call for gangs, murders, race- calling things of any kind.   If you don’t like the big city environment (which is where this stuff happens)…then get out of it and go to the small town areas where people treat all races the same.

  • Anonymous

    Here are a couple for ya:  Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.   And if the shoe fits, wear it.

  • Anonymous

    You are so right, but that is way too much for Liberals to comprehend.

  • Hagen619dj

    Buchanan has a history of saying things “uncalled for”.  he isn’t going to change.

  • Anonymous

    You misspelled stupid! Thought you would like to know if you call others stupid and ignorant. 

    BTW you call a lot of people stupid and ignorant… is this something that makes you feel better about yourself. Usually people with low self esteem likes to bring others down to their level.

  • Anonymous

    Republicans are ignorant, racist, bigots and the enemy of the state.  They are out to destroy the nation. End of story.

  • Anonymous

    The coverage is minimal because the message and the number of protesters is minimal.  Who cares what a gaggle of silly, dirty know-nothings wants to march for?  Almost no one.  Ask any one of them why he’s there and he can’t give you an answer, except that “it’s where the action is, Man”.

  • Puzzled by others

    Is there any other point to 95% of the comments on here, other than the truly bizarre and addictive satisfaction that people seem to get in seeing their barbs hurled at strangers they utterly despise online? I’d be utterly shell-shocked if I engaged in this back and forth with strangers on a daily basis.

  • Anonymous

    you mean, parent.

    Fatherless black children, as Bill Cosby stated, is a dirty little secret no one wants to talk about.

  • Anonymous

    Your idiocy never ends. Think about what you said. Why would they destroy the nation? What would they gain?

  • Anonymous

    Truer words were never spoken. Political correctness is killing this country.

  • Anonymous

    Another idiot chimes in.

  • Anonymous

    Define racism.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone has a constitutional right to be offended.

  • Anonymous

    Liberals have so much white guilt, their only way out is to call others racist.

  • Anonymous

    Or New Orleans. 

  • Anonymous

    Uncalled for? According to whom? You and your liberal friends? Get over it. you people don’t count anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Good old Pat Buchannan.  Ever wonder why Pat Buchannan never served in the U.S. military? Pat wanted to serve but he never could re-learn how to bend his knees when he marched.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkdMzSq2y2k

  • Anonymous

    They do this with every issue. They are unable to debate intelligently.

  • Anonymous

    I only hear white liberal guilt.

  • Anonymous

    You kinda loss that argument here is actual video below of how much racism their is in the Black Caucus alone.

    I know you are trying to get acceptance and praise from others like you but because white people generally feel more connected with conservative values and the tea party agenda  ( such as less government, small business, and balance budgets and morals) does not mean they are racist! Just like blacks feel more in line with the democrat party does not mean they are racist either!

    But, either you never been to a tea party event or only read what others wrote that never have been to one either… but trust me skin color is the last thing people think about when it comes to balanced budgets and to save this country from becoming Greece and failing!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IgfkP69AC0

  • Anonymous

    So, what you are saying is that Blacks, as a percentage commit more crimes than whites.

  • Chris

    To answer the question in your headline – no, it wasn’t poor phrasing.  The only reason this is a “story” is because someone assumed the worst.  Change the headline to “Bashir Offended By Buchanan’s Use of Word Plantation” – then you see who has the real problem…

  • Anonymous

    look it up!

  • Grendelprime

    Remember when Hillary! said that the White House was “being run like a plantation”?

    On MLKjr. Day?

    In Harlem?

    That was A-Ok.

  • http://twitter.com/BusyDay2day Father Time

    From several comments that gain notoriety in news, clearly there are people that think, feel or do that way.  I agree with most of what you say, but times have changed only to a point.  No one can really think that everyone is treated equally in this country. 

  • http://twitter.com/BusyDay2day Father Time

    Maintain your focus through the entire sentence and you’ll catch the point.  I’m confident you’ll figure it out.  

  • http://twitter.com/BusyDay2day Father Time

    Maintain your focus through the entire sentence and you’ll catch the point.  I’m confident you’ll figure it out.  

  • Anonymous

    How many of you Liberals that are jabbering on incessantly about racism would have voted for Obama had he been a far right Conservative?

    Would you have voted for him solely on the basis that he was black even though you didn’t believe in his politics?

  • Michelle

    Unlike you, I never use hateful, vile language like that and I never have. 

  • OSux

    In the United States and elsewhere all liberals are losers.

  • OSux

    Colored people lionize other colored people who kill white people.  Just look at Troy Davis. Sharpton, Jackson, Obama and the fellow racists found a new hero.

  • Ricci Dats Me

    Uhh.. big deal, when Plantation was used as the place where blacks worked and whites watched a Republican set them free.. SO, BIG DEAL.. Democrats need to remember THEIR history and, well, uhh, so does the GOP.. Metaphorically speaking, Pat is correct.

  • Anonymous

    I knew it. You don’t have a clue.

  • Anonymous

    One of the dumbest comments I have read in along time! I am so so glad you play for the other team!

  • Bob

    Buchanan has a long history of these kinds of remarks, and has long associated with fringe hate groups. He’s cable news’ favorite white nationalist.

  • Bob

     Yeah, that worked out well the other three times he ran, didn’t it?

  • Bob

     Slay them straw men, teabagger.
    No one was praising Davis for killing someone. They believed he was innocent and wrongly convicted.

  • Bob

     Your keyboard is going to short out from the drizzle if you keep foaming at the mouth so badly.

  • Anonymous

    They sure did and they got 17% unemployment!

    LOL

    Yeah, thank God the libs have done so much for blacks. I mean ya never hear them complaining anymore do ya? They have great jobs, homes, educations because of libs and look how many blacks are represented in the Dem Congress- and they have no complaints either, do they?  I mean they have really helped the black community haven’t they?

    There are twice as many blacks on welfare as there are Hispanics and only 2.4% of Asians on welfare and the Hispanics and the Asians have so little representation!

    ROTFLMAO

  • Anonymous

    Can you say ‘EDUCATION’…..read closely there friend….those are statistics, usually based on a per capita, but I bet you wouldnt have known that…..but since you are not aware, just look closely, its NOT based on who commits more, its based on 1:33…1:205…..1:79 ratios….i knew our educational system was bad, but i thought the basic are taught, smh!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Hmmmmm…..just a question, but ummmm, ‘what does small towns have to do with incarcerations ratios by race?’ I am inclined to believe that people of all races and areas are added to this equation….but if you should run across other findings, please enlighten me!

  • Anonymous

    I like that;-)…’Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.’…in favor across all racial lines!!!

  • Anonymous

    ‘Your Cute’…i think ‘I love you;-)!

  • Anonymous

    You’re the one that sounds clueless.  

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm…well, lets start from my first response…….a statement was made about blacks giving so-called passes to other blacks, i rebuted that whites may do the same based on stataistics……now to go further to address your comment….’IN AGREEANCE’ blacks commit more crimes than whites, 99% black on black crimes, adjudicated by majority whites and may i add…whites are adjudicated by majority whites and usulally get a lesser sentence than a minortiy….research and ye shall find these findings!

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm…well, lets start from my first response…….a statement was made about blacks giving so-called passes to other blacks, i rebuted that whites may do the same based on stataistics……now to go further to address your comment….’IN AGREEANCE’ blacks commit more crimes than whites, 99% black on black crimes, adjudicated by majority whites and may i add…whites are adjudicated by majority whites and usulally get a lesser sentence than a minortiy….research and ye shall find these findings!

  • Norbit

    So in the world of today’s Democrat, you can tar Tea Party people with the most vile accusations conjured; but if you’re thinking about saying something against a Black Liberal (Black Conservatives don’t count as people to today’s Democrat) don’t you dare!

    This is the level of evolutionary develoment represnted by today’s Democrats. 

  • Larry Linn

    Slavery is over in the United States, but racial bigotry is not!

  • Anonymous

    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382310n&tag=mncol;lst;2…..'You see, most people in this generation don’t think about color. Seems to be only the ones who are colored.’….interesting, oh and here is a tad bit more to research in ‘your color blind world’….http://www.splcenter.org/blog/….just a lil-wee-bit of reading, and you’ll find that this ‘generation that dont think about color’ is more prone to think about it than you think! Oh, and that goes for all races;-)!

  • Anonymous

    Slave analogies will be seen as racists especiallly from someone who has said racists and anti-semetic things in the past. Walks like a duck…

  • Ty

    Yet Rush tells his audience Obama is trying to destroy the country everyday.

    At least we both agree Rush is an f-ing liar.

  • Yy

    Was she speaking about black people?

  • Yy

    Pat is correct? Wow.

    Why didn’t Bush free the poor blacks when he was in power with a Republican legislative branch?

  • Anonymous

    You are absolutely ‘correct’~ I should lighten up and be a person of example…………….but not always in attack mode, but mostly being attacked, but again, ‘No’ excuse!

  • Doug Rodrigues

    I’ll answer your question about who commits more crimes:  It’s Blacks who commit more crimes than any other group, percentage wise.  Years of past Law Enforcement allows me to give that answer with accuracy.  The Blacks I had to deal with usually had a chip on their shoulder.  I believe that such an attitude is part of their culture of being a permanent “victim.”  It’s easier to be a victim of society than it is to actually do what is necessary to succeed in society.  What other racial group vilifies one of their own who attempts to get an education in order to succeed?  What other group dresses in such a manner (backward worn caps; pants half-way down to their knees, etc.) that such a dress code prevents any employer from wanting to employ them?  Yes, other race idiotic people who act and dress in a similar manner don’t get hired either.  I’m just telling it like it is. It is what it is.   

  • cdnhawk

    wow..that’s a good one

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    I’m really not seeing the problem here. Whats wrong with saying “plantation”? 

  • Anonymous

    Racist or not, talk like this will not help Republicans get more black support.

  • Hagen619dj

    And maybe you are playing the victim then.  We have several different races in my community. They are nice people…blacks included.  Small town environments are far better than your cities for this problem. Your always going to have those who “think” they are better than the next guy. It really is too bad that it has to be this way.  But seriously, I do think that we are all alerted to the specific words that if used is going to offend a particular race….and it’s usually black people. I would have never thought plantation was a offense word….to any race.  remember the generation that we are today and maybe it would be far more understandable to all of us.

  • Hagen619dj

    Now why would you say that…..you people don’t count anyway?  An attitude isn’t important when making statements on here.  It shows enough in the language and way people write.  Pat B. doesn’t say words that are kind and it is well known. I do wish some people could get the chip off and be people. By the way, I’m not a liberal….never have been and wouldn’t associate myself with those who are. Their ideas are far from what I believe in and now I find you  calling me a liberal an insult….sounds as dumb as getting all fussed up over plantation doesn’t it.

  • Hagen619dj

    Alot of that nonsense comes from Sharpton and Jackson always calling the race card.  They haven’t done their race any favors.  Then of course you have to form a march and parade yourself down a street.   Want to know why the racism stays alive….just watch those two.

  • Anonymous

    Whoaa there, lol….’maybe you are playing the victim’…there no ‘victimization’ partner, just as statistics are presented….i am glad that you community is so diverse, so is mine……they’re all nice with the a frequent ‘knuckle-head’ or 2 out of all races….so, please pay close attention to how and what the conversation is before responding, it can sometimes show lack of understanding!

  • Lloyd C

    don’t forget white christian conservative people in norway, they’re terrorists too!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YRDPWIK2SZEFSU3ABVKLB226MM aDCBeast

    It seems the lame white people have played the LACK OF INTELLIGENCE card on themselves here.

    I’m white bitches so spare me the BULLSH___T …. 

    You’re just not educated and it shows

  • Reader

    I’ve heard the “liberal plantation” description many times, including by black conservatives.

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