I see little point in reading anything Rumsfeld writes or listening to anything he says. If there is a notable failure in the War on Terror, it is he.

keep em scared Skeletor!

He’s been so right before!

“It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”

Donald Rumsfeld
Feb. 7, 2003

“It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

Donald Rumsfeld
Mar. 30, 2003

and more!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nice Job Rummy…not! And try to justify Guantanamo all you want.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I see little point in reading anything Rumsfeld writes or listening to anything he says. If there is a notable failure in the War on Terror, it is he.

Uhm, because he’s served in the highest levels of government for multiple President’s. But, please, continue to comment. I’d much rather hear what someone living in their mommy’s basement has to say.

This is what Rummy meant when he said “known unknowns” I guess.

Do some of you even read this website?

Bill Huggins said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nice Job Rummy…not! And try to justify Guantanamo all you want.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/white-house-background-briefing-reveals-detainee-intel-used-in-osama-bin-laden-raid/

Boy some of you don’t even read. Just so quick to trash people. Put down the biased glasses for one second and read a little it might help.

Whether one thinks such a statement is an unnecessary scare…

Didn’t the government already put all the airports and citizens traveling abroad on warning? Didn’t that happen right after the news was announced?

It’s undeniable that this will result in increased attack attempts. That’s not to say it wasn’t worthy it (it was), or the action wasn’t the right thing to do (it was)… but let’s recognize the reality of the situation.

Edith Massey said:
This is what Rummy meant when he said “known unknowns” I guess.

I was always amazed when people mocked that comment by Rumsfeld. It makes perfect sense, and accurately describes the situation.

lonestar77 said:
THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I see little point in reading anything Rumsfeld writes or listening to anything he says. If there is a notable failure in the War on Terror, it is he.

Uhm, because he’s served in the highest levels of government for multiple President’s. But, please, continue to comment. I’d much rather hear what someone living in their mommy’s basement has to say.

Then you need to talk to WrLter.

lonestar77 said:
Uhm, because he’s served in the highest levels of government for multiple President’s. But, please, continue to comment. I’d much rather hear what someone living in their mommy’s basement has to say.

“We’ll be greeted as liberators”
Should we continue about what Rummy “knows”? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OBAMA 2012

Still waiting on those quotes, King. Starting to think you’re not looking.

We need to watch our backs now? Really? What a rocket scientist Rummy the Dummy is…The man should be behind bars for war crimes himself!

Captain Obvious said:
“There has been intelligence that suggested that if Osama bin Laden were ever captured or killed that there would be a violent attack on America or Europe, in one way or another.”

Thanks for the tip, Rummy.

You are dismissed.

Again.

How dare Rumsfeld force his way onto a news program, and answer questions from a reporter! Doesn’t he know that we already kinda knew that? Who does he think he is, making them interview him… telling them what to ask?!

Yes, clearly, this was his fault for being asked to answer those questions, and for making NBC bring him on.

Yes, that makes sense.

ImNotBlue said:
Didn’t the government already put all the airports and citizens traveling abroad on warning? Didn’t that happen right after the news was announced?

It’s undeniable that this will result in increased attack attempts. That’s not to say it wasn’t worthy it (it was), or the action wasn’t the right thing to do (it was)… but let’s recognize the reality of the situation.

I was always amazed when people mocked that comment by Rumsfeld. It makes perfect sense, and accurately describes the situation.

Yeah Rummy always makes perfect sense.

“[Osama Bin Laden is] either alive and well or alive and not too well or not alive.”

“I believe what I said yesterday. I don’t know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it’s what I said.”

“Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said.”

“There’s another way to phrase that and that is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It is basically saying the same thing in a different way. Simply because you do not have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that it doesn’t exist.” -on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction

“Well, um, you know, something’s neither good nor bad but thinking makes it so, I suppose, as Shakespeare said.”

“Secretary Powell and I agree on every single issue that has ever been before this administration except for those instances where Colin’s still learning.”

“I don’t know what the facts are but somebody’s certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know.”

“I’m not into this detail stuff. I’m more concepty.”

“I don’t do quagmires.”

“If I know the answer I’ll tell you the answer, and if I don’t, I’ll just respond, cleverly.”

“Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war.”

“I don’t do foreign policy.”

All quotes courtesy of Donald Rumsfeld!

Rumsfeld was personally responsible for decisions that wiped out 1000′s of OBL’ scumbag associates.

Oftentimes, when I enter these forums of armchair generals and forensic futurists, I get why we are such a despised nation in many parts of the world. I’ve personally, never met a splinter I liked. The country has suffered a nervous breakdown, and there is no therapy for the chaos. Virtual morons, on both sides of the fence. Depending on a government and media machine, that so don’t give a $#%@ about your next breath or piece of bread. Do ya really think these islamic fruitcakes are gonna attack us again? Well…unlike far too many dimwitted Americans, they have the resolve and a whole LOT of focus. Don’t be surprised, if the next big bang don’t come while you are conjuring up some clever response for these bullshit factories.

Well, let them try. Let’s get ‘em out in the open so we can kill ‘em.

writer said:
Still waiting on those quotes, King. Starting to think you’re not looking.

Well, you’d be right about that ….

I’m going to commend you, however. Last night you were stylistically being a whining petulant little girl about credit due or not due W. In other words, you were being much like Ciudad Juárez, I mean Jeff Merrill, Michelle-in-Utah and, today, Sarah N. Italy. However, you did give President Obama credit, and I think you raised a good point about W, if not stylistically, then substantively. Some credit is due W. To be sure, his bluster and braggadocio helped nothing. He was ham-handed in his approach. His obstinate insistence in attacking Iraq, which seems to have had little or no role in 11 September diverted attention from Afghanistan, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. He went from a singular focus on Bin Laden, to rhetorical dismissal when it became clear he was going to be unable to capture Bin Laden. However, W began an intelligence reassessment and re-committal which, over time, contributed to what happened last night. I, too, think W ought to be mentioned and given at least this much credit, and I felt it worth my writing this to try to make his contribution clearer than your linguistic clumsiness did. You are correct in the substance of what you said about W.

The best person to ask for analysis in a situation like this is the person who was a complete failure on the topic.

ImNotBlue said:
How dare Rumsfeld force his way onto a news program, and answer questions from a reporter! Doesn’t he know that we already kinda knew that? Who does he think he is, making them interview him… telling them what to ask?!

Yes, clearly, this was his fault for being asked to answer those questions, and for making NBC bring him on.

Yes, that makes sense.

Do you believe the shit that you type?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Do you believe the shit that you type?

Or perhaps I should say do you take the things you type seriously

Was Rummy becoming a joke another unknown unknown?

kvon said:
The best person to ask for analysis in a situation like this is the person who was a complete failure on the topic.

Yeah, kinda like asking Barry about the economy.

8.8% unemployment
Record monthly deficits
Record debt
Record # of foreclosures
Record # on welfare
Record # living in poverty
Record job losses in 2009
Record high gas prices

So King, with the little wheat in all that chaff, you’re admitting you lied in saying I was ‘moaning’ about Bin Laden being killed under Obama’s watch.

Edith Massey said:

Well, some of these DO make sense, some are out of context, and some are just goofs. But really… are you suggesting that someone who has on occasion said the wrong thing, is thusly “never” correct? Should we ask Joe Biden?

The “known knowns” speech DOES make sense though. I’ll explain in a way you’ll understand… think about it as math:

Known Knowns: We all know basic math, like 1+1=2 and so on… and we know that we know that.

Known Unknowns: I know of advanced calculus, but I don’t know anything about it… that’s a known unknown. I know it exists, and that I can’t do it.

Unknown Unknowns: There are advanced mathematical somethings that I’ve never even heard, let a long know how to do them… those are the unknown unknowns… things you don’t know you don’t know, because you aren’t even aware of their existence.

Get it?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Or perhaps I should say do you take the things you type seriously

Son, I don’t take you seriously.

Why did Barry kill an innocent man? After all, 911 was an inside job according to you libs.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Do you believe the shit that you type?

Not when I’m being sarcastic.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Or perhaps I should say do you take the things you type seriously

Did you not understand the sarcasm… or did the logic of it all just piss you off?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Was Rummy becoming a joke another unknown unknown?

Ah, you’re one of those who either “didn’t get it,” or decided “not to get it,” so you can mock someone. Nice!

But really, your ignorance isn’t an excuse.

A Known Known: BHO is president

A Known Unknown: How much worse the economy can get under Barry.

A Unknown Unknown: That Barry is purposely ruining the economy.

oh yeah, because Donald Rumsfeld’s intel has been so accurate in the past. Also, Obama made sure that Bin Laden is no longer alive, Bush did nothing about it. Learn to deal with this fact.

writer said:
So King, with the little wheat in all that chaff, you’re admitting you lied in saying I was ‘moaning’ about Bin Laden being killed under Obama’s watch.

On the contrary, you were decidedly moaning and your very good point was lost in all of the moaning. I cleaned it up for you, however. No thanks are necessary. And, congratulations for finally making a point at Mediaite. I hope this is the beginning of many more substantive comments you share with us. As to do so, just remember:

M-Moaning
M-Muddles
M-Meaning

Pssst……War Criminal. You might wanna keep quiet or the next Seal Team bullet might be between your eyes Rummy.

ImNotBlue said:
Not when I’m being sarcastic.

Did you not understand the sarcasm… or did the logic of it all just piss you off?

Ah, you’re one of those who either “didn’t get it,” or decided “not to get it,” so you can mock someone. Nice!

But really, your ignorance isn’t an excuse.

The person who refuses to see what is in front of their face and continually spins and disects paragraphs has the audacity to talk about logic? That’s laughable.

There you go with your dumb ass spin again. Or would you call it inference? No, I got it. i just don’t see the point in stating the obvious. However, I do have faith in OUR PRESIDENT to keep US safe, so I’m not stressing. Rummy is a joke. Do you deny that? This guy doesn’t:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JqQLqqTc

Michael Adam said:
Pssst……War Criminal. You might wanna keep quiet or the next Seal Team bullet might be between your eyes Rummy.

Some of you are really sick people, Seek help

So King, I give Obama props, but if I dare suggest that Bush also played a part, that’s ‘moaning’. How sad that you’re so tightly locked in to your far left hatred.

notsofast said:
Yeah, kinda like asking Barry about the economy.

8.8% unemployment
Record monthly deficits
Record debt
Record # of foreclosures
Record # on welfare
Record # living in poverty
Record job losses in 2009
Record high gas prices

Basically, son, you’ll do anything to avoid giving Obama one iota of credit for taking out bin Laden, so you’re changing the subject. The rest of us will thank our military, our president and all the brave men and women who helped bring about this great day.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
“The White House held a background briefing Sunday night on the raid that resulted in the killing of Osama bin Laden, and among several interesting takeaways from the two “senior administration officials” was the fact that information from “post-9/11 detainees” was crucial in developing this operation.”

BINGO

Can you say “GITMO”

Aren’t you Liberal Lewzers glad that Obozo didn’t shut GITMO down afterall…or maybe you still aren’t…

GOD BLESS THE NAVY SEALS & ALL UNITED STATES MILITARY

“President-elect Barack Obama plans to order the closing of the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay as early as his first week in office to show a break from the Bush administration’s approach to the war on terror, according to two officials close to the transition.”
CNN January 12, 2009

OOPS…

What is your fascination with the Cuban prison? He was going to close that prison camp and move the detainees and in doing so he would have boosted the economy in a little town in Illinois that has a big ol’ empty prison but the idiots on the right boo hood and used their terror tactics to convince people that the USA can’t handle their own problems on their own soil. USA! USA!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The person who refuses to see what is in front of their face and continually spins and dissects paragraphs has the audacity to talk about logic? That’s laughable.

Yes, I know… you hate that I read your words, instead of glossing over them. You hate that I pay attention, and actually see the nonsense you write. Bummer.

But I’ve heard the whine before. Nothing new.

There you go with your dumb ass spin again. Or would you call it inference? No, I got it. i just don’t see the point in stating the obvious.

And what “spin” am I delivering? Making the point that Rumsfeld was brought on to NBC and asked questions, which he answered. You blame him for saying something you “already knew?” Shouldn’t you blame NBC for asking him the question then? What do you think he should have said instead?

We all know the equasion… “Rumsfeld = Bad,” so the reality doesn’t matter. To you, it’s HIS fault he was on television… it’s HIS fault he gave an answer. It’s almost pathological with folks like you. “Rumsfeld = Bad,” and the rest of the story gets warped to that conclusion.

However, I do have faith in OUR PRESIDENT to keep US safe, so I’m not stressing. Rummy is a joke. Do you deny that? This guy doesn’t:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JqQLqqTc

I like how Obama is “our President,” but Bush was “your President,” and the old, “I don’t have to respect him, I didn’t vote for him” was standard fair. I guess that’s more of that double standard you’re so fond of.

I don’t think “Rummy,” Bush, Clinton, Obama, or anyone else in the Oval Office has had much to do with the hunting of bin Laden. The order was “capture or kill,” and other than that, it’s really out of their hands… no matter what they may claim. The generals and the intelligence people make those decisions, and the President signs off on it. Even the Sec. of Defense is too far removed from the actual plans, so while they get credit (or non-credit) they have little to do with the actual actions.

And did you really site a cartoon as a source of… what exactly? Please, let me know what Spongebob says about national policy. I’m dying to know.

writer said:
So King, I give Obama props, but if I dare suggest that Bush also played a part, that’s ‘moaning’. How sad that you’re so tightly locked in to your far left hatred.

Here’s the way to avoid your pitfall with the next success by President Obama:

Congratulations, Mr. President. Through you wise foreign policy initiatives and in conjunction with the help of our NATO allies, a despot no longer threats us, and the Libyan people are freer. I should also like to thank Field Marshall Montgomery for liberating Libya from the Germans/Italians and making this all possible.

See? Neutral. No whining.

You can do it!

notsofast said:
After all, 911 was an inside job according to you libs.

That would be LIBertarians and sad alex jones followers.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:

If anyone is here to give advice on how to be pleasant, respectful, and topical… it’s Royal.

You better listen, Writer. He is a prince… er… King… when it comes to civilized discussion… especially when it comes to people he disagrees with.

he does mike a point about retalion with bin laden’s death. But we whould have gotten him years ago if it wasn’t Rumfelds bad intel pushing us to Iraq. This a Obama’s win and He’s trying to steal his thunder. rumsfeld should just stay out of this one.

It is funny how when the left mentions Bush the right responds with “that was years ago, get over it, it is Obama’s war, recession, debt, etc., etc.,” but now they are falling all over themselves to remind us that Bush was the POTUS and asleep at the wheel when Osama’s and his band of SAUDIS attacked us on our soil. Thanks for reminding us!

Watching the King back pedal after one of his blatant lies reminds me of a story told about David Niven. A couple of women were descending a staircase and Niven said to the man next to him, “That’s one ugly woman.” The man replied, “That’s my wife.” Niven said, “I meant the other one.” The man said, “That’s my daughter.” Niven said, “I didn’t say it.”

writer said:
Watching the King back pedal after one of his blatant lies reminds me of a story told about David Niven. A couple of women were descending a staircase and Niven said to the man next to him, “That’s one ugly woman.” The man replied, “That’s my wife.” Niven said, “I meant the other one.” The man said, “That’s my daughter.” Niven said, “I didn’t say it.”

No, I said it. And, at the risk of being too Tumbleweedesque, I was correct.

How ironic is the chest thumping coming from the libs who were against all things terror from day one?

Even claimed terrorists and terror didn’t exist and refused to utter the words.

“The war is lost!”
“Killing innocent children and women in the dead of the night!”
“Cold blooded killers!”

“My goodness, the Tea Partiers are an unhappy lot tonight. My sympathies, Michelle-in-Utah, WrLter, Jeff.”

Your quote, King. After I made a few posts expressing my elation, you posted this. But I know. Like David Niven, you didn’t say it.

ImNotBlue said:
Yes, I know… you hate that I read your words, instead of glossing over them. You hate that I pay attention, and actually see the nonsense you write. Bummer.

But I’ve heard the whine before. Nothing new.

And what “spin” am I delivering? Making the point that Rumsfeld was brought on to NBC and asked questions, which he answered. You blame him for saying something you “already knew?” Shouldn’t you blame NBC for asking him the question then? What do you think he should have said instead?

We all know the equasion… “Rumsfeld = Bad,” so the reality doesn’t matter. To you, it’s HIS fault he was on television… it’s HIS fault he gave an answer. It’s almost pathological with folks like you. “Rumsfeld = Bad,” and the rest of the story gets warped to that conclusion.

I like how Obama is “our President,” but Bush was “your President,” and the old, “I don’t have to respect him, I didn’t vote for him” was standard fair. I guess that’s more of that double standard you’re so fond of.

I don’t think “Rummy,” Bush, Clinton, Obama, or anyone else in the Oval Office has had much to do with the hunting of bin Laden. The order was “capture or kill,” and other than that, it’s really out of their hands… no matter what they may claim. The generals and the intelligence people make those decisions, and the President signs off on it. Even the Sec. of Defense is too far removed from the actual plans, so while they get credit (or non-credit) they have little to do with the actual actions.

And did you really site a cartoon as a source of… what exactly? Please, let me know what Spongebob says about national policy. I’m dying to know.

Lot of bullshit in this post. First, you don’t read what I write, you read what you want to see and ignore basic concepts of the English language then say “I tire of this” when called out on your bullshit and backed into a corner. Just admit when you’re wrong, dude. Unless of course you’re too much of a partisan child to do so. I’d fully understand if you did. Hell, i might even respect you a tad. But you don’t do that. No, you further add to your case by selectively responding to paragraphs. They’re written as paragraphs because they form one complete thought. When you take them apart like you do you lose context and you’re nothing in a debate without that tactic as you demonstrate here.

No, you SPIN my meaning yet again and project yet again. And don’t give me the bullshit this time. I asked was rummy becoming a joke another unknown unknown and you assume that I knew full well what he meant but act like I don’t to mock him. No, I got it, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s stupid. Aren’t you one of the people who harps on the 57 states thing by the way? Yet I am at fault for calling him on this stupidity? You’re projecting throughout all of this. Did I say “Oh, he’s stupid for answering the question. we already knew that hyuk hyuk”. No, my exact quote was “i just don’t see the point in stating the obvious.” I’m not going after this statement, but the unknown unknown bullshit. If you’d actually read you would have got that. your selective bullshitting is getting quite annoying. Can’t you have an actual discussion without these tactics or are you not intelligent and mature enough? In the case of the violence thing the reporters is stupid himself for asking it.

Just because I highlighted that doesn’t mean I’m accusing you. You must be paranoid. For somebody who “has seen enough of me to know how I operate” you’ve got me all wrong on the President Bush thing. I never showed anything less than respect to him. Quite the contrary, I was the only one in my group denouncing the acts of others because regardless as to how you feel he was still the president.

You’re actually wrong. President Obama is the one who has been giving the orders the CIA operative in charge (can’t remember his name). It was president Obama who ordered them to move in, president Obama who kept the operation in Pakistan going. I doubt that the CIA really has that kind of control over the Navy seals. I could be wrong, but I do know that Obama was the one giving the orders to the CIA and speaking with his council.

So the source automatically means that the point it makes is invalid? Somebody call the fallacy police.

kvon said:
The best person to ask for analysis in a situation like this is the person who was a complete failure on the topic.

Where is Bubba these days?

” Davo, Michelle-in-Utah, Sarah N. Italy, WrLter and others in the Rightist Reactionary faction have been moaning since the news broke.”

Blatant lie. Even a mention of Bush, and the King paints it that we were all sad Bid Laden was killed. If I were to say kudos to the Navy Seals, the King would say that I must hate the Army. It’s the way his little ‘mind’ works.

KirbbDogg2000 said:
But we whould have gotten him years ago if it wasn’t Rumfelds bad intel pushing us to Iraq.

How’s that?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You’re actually wrong. President Obama is the one who has been giving the orders the CIA operative in charge (can’t remember his name).

That is comedy gold.

I doubt that the CIA really has that kind of control over the Navy seals.

They do when they’re on loan to the CIA. Did you miss the part about Panetta personally directing the operation?

Bill Huggins said:
“We’ll be greeted as liberators”Should we continue about what Rummy “knows”? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s not Rumsfeld’s quote, HAHAHAHAHAH

BTW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVeUEABXDfg&feature=player_embedded

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/cid_001701c5710d75a295300200a8c0kathy99821438b.jpg

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/cid_001a01c5710d75a295300200a8c0kathy99821438b.jpg

Rio said:
Bill Huggins said:
“We’ll be greeted as liberators”Should we continue about what Rummy “knows”? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

couple more:

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/mrbush-thank-you-for-our-freedom.jpg

http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/pi060926a8.jpg

Pablo said:
That is comedy gold.

They do when they’re on loan to the CIA. Did you miss the part about Panetta personally directing the operation?

Panetta, thank you. did you miss the part about whose direction Panetta was under? Whose approval was necessary? Please tell me.

A great job Mr. President, but not to take any credit away from our military and Obama, bin Laden should have been captured years ago. I’m the least likely conspirationist, but I don’t think Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted bin Laden captured alive because he knew too much, and Bush hardly even cared about bin Laden towards the end of his Presidency. It’s a very interesting situation and I don’t think things will change that much until the American Taliban give up the ghost and are fully investigated and prosecuted. It was this cabal led by Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz who caused us to put down our guard before 9/11 and then, after 9/11 decided to make what is probably the biggest American foreign policy blunder in modern times, namely invade Iraq. And I’ll leave it for you to decide exactly who, asides from Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz are the American Taliban except they are the ones who have been holding us up for years and are still blocking serious progress in this country and around the world.

writer said:
” Davo, Michelle-in-Utah, Sarah N. Italy, WrLter and others in the Rightist Reactionary faction have been moaning since the news broke.”

Blatant lie. Even a mention of Bush, and the King paints it that we were all sad Bid Laden was killed. If I were to say kudos to the Navy Seals, the King would say that I must hate the Army. It’s the way his little ‘mind’ works.

.
It seems that TRRK has no evidence to back up his knowingly LYING assertion. SOP for him.

Let me C&P Michelles first comment on the first page shortly after the news broke last night:

“Liberal Tormentor says:
May 1, 2011 at 10:56 pm Liberal Tormentor(Quote)
Thumb up 27 Thumb down 5

Burn in hell, scumbag. I’d love to see his face when he realizes those virgins aren’t waiting for him.”

That comment was followed very shortly by yours, Writer:

“writer says:
May 1, 2011 at 10:57 pm writer(Quote)
Thumb up 29 Thumb down 1

Glad the son of a bitch is dead. Props to all involved.”.

All we have gotten from TRRK is just more of his day in day out compulsive attacks on the same group of commenters. It’s all he knows and cares about.

Gotta hand it to him, though, Grammie. Even with posts all around him proving he’s lying, he goes ahead as if no one can see it. A truly sick individual.

ganymede said:
A great job Mr. President, but not to take any credit away from our military and Obama, bin Laden should have been captured years ago. I’m the least likely conspirationist, but I don’t think Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted bin Laden captured alive because he knew too much, and Bush hardly even cared about bin Laden towards the end of his Presidency. It’s a very interesting situation and I don’t think things will change that much until the American Taliban give up the ghost and are fully investigated and prosecuted. It was this cabal led by Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz who caused us to put down our guard before 9/11 and then, after 9/11 decided to make what is probably the biggest American foreign policy blunder in modern times, namely invade Iraq. And I’ll leave it for you to decide exactly who, asides from Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz are the American Taliban except they are the ones who have been holding us up for years and are still blocking serious progress in this country and around the world.

You posted this yesterday. trolling much?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Lot of bullshit in this post. First, you don’t read what I write, you read what you want to see and ignore basic concepts of the English language then say “I tire of this” when called out on your bullshit and backed into a corner. Just admit when you’re wrong, dude.

And there you go, continuing to argue ghosts of conversations past. Of course, I don’t believe any of that happened, as you have never been able to back me into a corner. But, like most of your “facts,” you remember things incorrectly. No surprises there.

Unless of course you’re too much of a partisan child to do so.

Riiight. Exactly what would you like me to respond to?

I’d fully understand if you did. Hell, i might even respect you a tad.

Sadly, your respect isn’t something I strive for. Honestly, in reading your comments for quite a while, I don’t think I’d want to be “respected” by you. I’ve seen the type of things you “respect.” I’m not interested.

But you don’t do that. No, you further add to your case by selectively responding to paragraphs. They’re written as paragraphs because they form one complete thought. When you take them apart like you do you lose context and you’re nothing in a debate without that tactic as you demonstrate here.

I separate them out because each paragraph has multiple thoughts, of which I’d like to respond.

Now do you have anything to actually say, or are you just going to continue fighting my writing style, from previous posts?

No, you SPIN my meaning yet again and project yet again. And don’t give me the bullshit this time. I asked was rummy becoming a joke another unknown unknown and you assume that I knew full well what he meant but act like I don’t to mock him. No, I got it, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s stupid.

The only way it’s “stupid,” is if you don’t get it. How would you have phrased it better? What would you have said that was less “stupid?”

Aren’t you one of the people who harps on the 57 states thing by the way?

I have brought it up.

Yet I am at fault for calling him on this stupidity?

Well, again… it’s because it’s not stupid. There aren’t 57 states, so Obama’s statement was wrong… and wrong by a bizarre amount. Rumsfeld statement, while awkward, was not incorrect and does make sense.

As I said in the previous post, if you don’t understand what it means… that’s fine. But your ignorance isn’t his fault.

You’re projecting throughout all of this. Did I say “Oh, he’s stupid for answering the question. we already knew that hyuk hyuk”. No, my exact quote was “i just don’t see the point in stating the obvious.” I’m not going after this statement, but the unknown unknown bullshit. If you’d actually read you would have got that. your selective bullshitting is getting quite annoying. Can’t you have an actual discussion without these tactics or are you not intelligent and mature enough? In the case of the violence thing the reporters is stupid himself for asking it.

You do recognize that there are more than you and I on this site, right… and perhaps I was responding to someone else.

Let’s look at my original post. Did I reference you there? Hmm… nope.

Strange you thought I was speaking to you. Are you perhaps multiple people on this site? You need to keep your personalities in order. You appear to be confused.

Just because I highlighted that doesn’t mean I’m accusing you. You must be paranoid.

Do you often address things to me, that aren’t actually for me? Like Pat Sajak says, keep spinning buddy.

For somebody who “has seen enough of me to know how I operate” you’ve got me all wrong on the President Bush thing. I never showed anything less than respect to him. Quite the contrary, I was the only one in my group denouncing the acts of others because regardless as to how you feel he was still the president.

Hey, this could be fun… I’ll try your tactic, and see if it works: “Just because I highlighted that, doesn’t mean I’m accusing you. You must be paranoid.”

You’re actually wrong. President Obama is the one who has been giving the orders the CIA operative in charge (can’t remember his name). It was president Obama who ordered them to move in, president Obama who kept the operation in Pakistan going. I doubt that the CIA really has that kind of control over the Navy seals. I could be wrong, but I do know that Obama was the one giving the orders to the CIA and speaking with his council.

Yeah, Obama gave the orders… but much in the sense of someone on the outside who is told by an expert what to do, “Gives the orders.” It’s the chain of command, but don’t confuse it for spear heading it. At Apple, Steve Jobs is responsible for decisions on the iPad… but it’s not like he’s actually making the decisions on his own. His designers, researchers, and so on make the decisions… run them by the boss, and the boss says, “Yes, go for it.” The President is always responsible and certainly authorizes actions, but he is not really the “planner” of such events.

So the source automatically means that the point it makes is invalid? Somebody call the fallacy police.

You’re using a cartoon to make a point. Perhaps it’s not invalid (although, I’m still not sure what it is you’re getting at), but it certainly doesn’t help your argument. If that’s your source of information… well, methinks you need to do some more reading.

jerrybobphil said:
Some of you are really sick people, Seek help

Denial….he is a war criminal. Facts Suck.

Michael Adam said:
Denial….he is a war criminal. Facts Suck.

What makes him a “war criminal?” Or can we both just admit it’s just a talking point, and you don’t really understand what’s going on?

I’ll go first… it’s a talking point, and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Now, it’s your turn.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You posted this yesterday. trolling much?

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I’ve seen it multiple times today on multiple threads.

What can one say about such obviously disfunctional obsessive behavior?

ImNotBlue said:
What makes him a “war criminal?” Or can we both just admit it’s just a talking point, and you don’t really understand what’s going on?

I’ll go first… it’s a talking point, and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Now, it’s your turn.

A 1.3 Trillion dollar farce. Any other facts needed? I didn’t think so .

Michael Adam said:
A 1.3 Trillion dollar farce. Any other facts needed? I didn’t think so .

And at what point in your warped view of the legal system does a “1.3 trillion dollar farce” equate with “war crimes.”

As for the needed facts… I think you should start with with what “war crimes” are.

That will help you greatly.

At what point in your warped view of reality does the 1.3 Trillion farce not equate with War Crimes? Crimes committed against the American, Iraqi, and Afgan public , under the guise of War are in fact War Crimes. Myself and the majority of the American public know that the previous administration are Criminals. Your ignorance and blind stupidity is more suited for one of Heir Breitbart’s websites. Might I suggest you head over there and kvetch with your fellow morons. Leave the governing and the military action to those who actually get things done.

Michael Adam said:
At what point in your warped view of reality does the 1.3 Trillion farce not equate with War Crimes? Crimes committed against the American, Iraqi, and Afgan public , under the guise of War are in fact War Crimes. Myself and the majority of the American public know that the previous administration are Criminals. Your ignorance and blind stupidity is more suited for one of Heir Breitbart’s websites. Might I suggest you head over there and kvetch with your fellow morons. Leave the governing and the military action to those who actually get things done.

and president obama just sent american troops into a sovereign nation, without their permission, to conduct military operations

Michael Adam said:

Try again:

War crimes are serious violations of the laws applicable in armed conflict (Also known as International humanitarian law) giving rise to individual criminal responsibility. Examples of such conduct includes “murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps”, “the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war”, the killing of prisoners, “the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity”.

Does that mean you think everyone who allowed the war to proceed is also “guilty?” So everyone from Bush, to Clinton and Biden?

As for you and your “majority of Americans,” I’d sure like to see the stats on that one. I’d hate to think you’re just making stuff up.

Pl. pay NO heed to this man.
Pay attention to the Homeland Security and to the Pres.

Bush/Cheney admin policy is fear and lies.

meena140 said:
Pay attention to the Homeland Security and to the Pres.

Who said the exact same thing.

MrTPar_taY said:
Rumsfeld was personally responsible for decisions that wiped out 1000’s of OBL’ scumbag associates.

Yeah but does that also mean “Rumsfeld was personally responsible for decisions that wiped out” over 4,000 of our American troops in the process?

Gee, “heck of a job” Rummy. Now go away.

Mia Kulper said:
Yeah but does that also mean “Rumsfeld was personally responsible for decisions that wiped out” over 4,000 of our American troops in the process?

Only if it means that while Obama is personally responsible for the decision that killed Osama… and personally responsible for the decisions that have killed every service man and woman since he took office.

The people responsible for killing our men and women, are the one’s planting bombs and pulling the triggers.

I don’t know. You’ll have to hash that out with “MrTPar_taY” since it’s his premise.

Let me know what youz decide.